Vader in that final scene realising he has truly lost everything, he's old life finally lost, Anakin Skywalker is now truly dead, and all he has become is a monster, such a tragic ending to the show
@Hen_plays523 I know, I bet they really struggled with that one since the Disney era star wars is obsessed with nostalgia, this ending shows great originality
@@phantomsidious2934 I actually disagree, Vader wasn't ever really a monster, unlike Palpatine I think a part of him always regretted what he became. We can see this even in the OT when he tries to tell Luke that it's "too late" for him, to convince Luke not to try to turn him back. It reveals that on some deep level he actually wanted to be good, he'd just convinced himself it wasn't possible anymore. Truly monstrous villains never feel regret, Vader was just someone who made a few too many mistakes and had convinced himself redemption was impossible, so he might as well double down
@@AeneasGemini I agree. Palpatine basically needed to keep Vader trapped in a prison of his own self-loathing, hatred and rage, and that rage was fueled by pain. Which is why Palpatine also ensured he was in constant pain from his suit, but also why he made him do what he did and told him he had killed Padme . So he would be in constant mental and psychological anguish over his actions. Like a constant torture. So, Palpapatine had to ensure those negative emotions were maintained all the time. He knew that Vader had a conscience, and that he hated what he had done, and knew that his regret and self-loathing could overcome him. I wonder if that's why he basically made it impossible for Vader to kill himself. I think that's also why their relationship was underwritten by fear. Any time Vader showed mercy, hesitated or 'failed' he would be punished for it. Usually by being tortured.
To me, "The apprentice lives" reads more as confirmation than realisation; he realises that the vision was true, and that he was right to consider it legitimate.
also, in the Darth Vader comics he sees his encounter with Ahsoka in Malachor and hears the words “it was foretold that you would be here” “then you will die” ... he basically was teased of it in visions so the line “foretold” is now reasonable since the force actually showed him that she would be in the Malachor Temple.
@@johnhubert8253 I think he knew she was alive from the time when he found the wreck. He knows it's her ship. He knows someone came back to bury the troops, which means someone survived. And the moment he lights up the saber and finds that it still works, he knows whoever survived had the saber on them -- it didn't go down with the ship. Ahsoka herself is the only person who checks off all those boxes, just by basic deduction.
I really do belive vader carried a bit of regret and remorse for ahsoka, kinda like he did for padme, when ahsoka cuts Vader’s mask and vader says “ahsoka” and has a bit of doubt in his eyes I truly belive that that’s anakin not vader. But once he remembers what he’s become that bit of anakin gets crushed again. Maybe vader was thinking when he found ahsokas light saber “good I don’t have to kill her know”
I heard somewhere that scene where he fights Ashoka happened like 15 years after Revenge of the Sith. It seems Ezra Bridger was born the same year as Luke and Leia, and he's a teenager here, so it makes sense that a *long* time had passed. I do agree with you though. Vader hesitated there when he called Ashoka's name, and he never hesitates. He had more than 'a little bit of regret' over Padme though. The belief he had killed her literally tormented him every waking moment. There's one scene in a comic where someone asks him who or what he hates so much, and he says "myself". I actually really hope that if Ashoka is going to be in the Mandalorian series she will meet with Luke, so he can tell her about Vader's redemption and how he did finally bring back Anakin and fulfill the Chosen One prophecy. She could tell him in turn about his mother, and about her time as Anakin's Padawan.
Personally I think Ahsoka was very important to Vader. In Rebels Vader hesitates before attacking Ahsoka we she chopped his mask. The only other time he has done that is with Luke.
@@englishlady9797 Gosh I would love that. Even if we don’t see it but maybe a ending episode where it’s like they are talking a little and we assume they talk about it. Would bring me so much joy
Vader probably thought she was alive but still opted to cross her off the Empire's list of Jedi targets. I like to think it was some piece of Anakin that influenced this, to give Ahsoka some measure of peace in the post Order 66 Galaxy. Knowing that if they had to come across each other again, someone would likely die. Love these vids, SW Reading club! :)
Punished "Venom" Snake Filoni said Vader wants Ashoka to die because she represents Anakin Skywalker morals and his past. So he would probably kept her name on it especially after the Mustafar vision.
@@Nubin2000 True, but Darth Vader didn't tell Palpatine about his vision of Ahsoka. He didn't even find out about Ahsoka surviving Order 66 until season 2 of Rebels which could mean that Darth Vader didn't think Ahsoka was an issue for the Empire to worry about. Maybe this was due to the fact that the last time Anakin saw Ahsoka, she implied that she didn't want to fight in anymore wars because of what it did to the Jedi. There are probably other reasons too, but we'll never know them until Dave Filoni gives hints to what they are.
Yeah I always figured Vader had a softer spot for Ashoka and if given the choice he would prefer not to deal with her, as meeting her would mean confronting anakin's past and may weaken vader. So Vader would take Ashoka's name of the empire's list given the first opportunity that he had evidence she was dead. Then when she confront him, he offered her a chance to leave twice (sure at the cost of betraying jedi but that is more than most get) and if wasn't for the holocron he might have just let her walk away. Viewing fighting someone that close to anakin's past as much more trouble than it is worth and could truly weaken vader's hold over anakin.
Poor Vader, he lost everything, his mother, wife, best friend, apprentice, limbs, and his sanity. All of that because of Darth Sidious lying to him all the time
Sidious is pretty much at the heart of everything rotten in the galaxy around that point in time. Nothing and no one was sacrosanct to him. You were either a useful tool, or discarded junk.
Anakin was taken from his mother as a child, given to an inexperienced and grieving master, had few friends since the other younglings didn't like him and was forced into a Galactic scale war. He had little control over his life and Sidious' manipulation only worsened things.
The only choice Anakin made that was free of anyone else's influence was his decision to save Luke. That is why it set him free at last. He had no plan of betrayal or schemes to take over when he chose to kill Palpatine. He did it because he wanted his son to live. He proved that his love for his family truly was stronger than the greatest powers of the dark side.
No, when Vader finds Ahsoka's lightsaber far more than a few months have past. For one, the Empire didn't transition to Stromtroopers that quickly. Second, look at the decay of the ship. All of the rust, how faded the paint is on the clone trooper helmets, etc. IMO at least 5 years if not 10 have past. Maybe ever longer than that. But, enough that the Clone Wars have started to become a faded memory.
@@AutomaticAxe I'm not sure if this is true, but someone told me that the shuttle transport was made 15 years after ROTS so that would mean the ending scene of TCW is in fact the same time season 2 of Rebels takes place.
I personally hope this takes place after he ‘killed’ Ahsoka in Rebels. Under the assumption that she is dead, he journeys to a recently discovered wreck from the Clone War era. He arrives to investigate a possible Jedi connection and finds the lightsaber he gave to her, the last time he was her as Anakin. He ignited it for proof, rejecting any and all regret for his actions and looks up. He sees the Owl, one that followed Ahsoka for a long time. He quietly acknowledges what this Owl represents, and realises this implies her survival. A confused moment of happiness and anger crosses him, before deciding it was irrelevant. He takes the Sabre, refusing to inform Palpatine of his suspicion and hopes to never face her again. It’s a cold scene of Vader allowing Anakin a moment to grieve after her ‘death.’ But only a moment. Then he crushes Anakin entirely and leaves to investigate an attack on the Death Star Plans.
Morai was someone Ashoka met after mandalore so Vader doesnt know about the little owl. In twilight of the apprentoce he doesnt observe it there. Also moreye seems more reminiscent of a higher force being than a normal bind that follows Ashoka around.
@@badrinath5306 I’m pretty sure it’s the daughter from the Mortis arc, or sometning along the lines of that, it shares the colour scheme and the daughter (the embodiment of the light side) died during that arc, morai also sounds a little like Mortis, maybe she reincarnated like a force ghost, but as an owl instead.
When Vader was attacking the Rebel convoy during rebels, he said "So, the apprentice lives." Which to me means that he was surprised that she was alive. Given how deeply the wreck of that Venator was buried in ice and snow, I think it was years after Order 66. I believe that he'd written her off for dead, and caught off guard when she wasn't. I also think that it was possible that Ahsoka could possibly have reawakened Anakin if she'd had just a but more time during their "reunion." Though she wasn't of his blood, Anakin definitely looked at her like a daughter, which Obi Wan said could be his undoing.
@Ahsoka Tano While Rey's relationship to Luke was a undeveloped and not enough screen time with Leia due to Carrie Fisher death it can be said that she found people who didn't care about her bloodline but cared about who she was. Luke says " some things are stronger than blood". Same for Luke Skywalker as well his friends are what pushed him to keep going even after his loss to Vader and was the reason he had try and save them from Vader.
@@roef3984 In the pulled out shot from the side, you can see that some of the stakes with the helmets on them are still visible. Besides which, the chances those probe droids wouldn't have figured out that the bodies were all lined up in neat and tidy little rows is zero. But the clincher is, when he tries out her saber, it still works. Which means that not only someone survived the wreck and came back to bury the troops, but they had the saber on them. She's the only one who checks off all those boxes.
I guess disappointed and ashamed because you can tell at the beginning of the show Barriss Offee looked up to Luminara for guidance and now she's probably upset that her pupil has fallen so far. Luminara probably blames herself for Barriss' fall as well since she was the one who trained and taught her everything she knows.
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@@alexpena4091 she was killed by the Empire, so she was obviously alive lol
In Rebels, Rex says he went back to the empire and worked for them for years until clones were phased out for stormtroopers. Seems like he would have said "yep Shot her myself, buried her on that moon with all the dead clones with my own two hands." to take the heat off of her.
Dave Filoni confirms vader is hunting in the final scene of the clone wars n states he is probably hunting ahsoka specifically as they knew she was on that ship and where it crashed so that would be the best place for him to start.i dont think either vader or sidious were ever totally convinced ahsoka was dead
I would say that Vader was tormented most by having to hunt Ahsoka because of their special relationship. It would've been like hunting his little sister or daughter, maybe. So, when Vader finds Ahsoka's saber, it actually gives him a relief and just accepts her death weather he wants to truly believe it or not. The way Vader holds the saber, especially after activating it, make me think of how he held Luke's "new" lightsaber, when the two met on Endor. There's a certain connection which makes me believe Vader wouldn't want to have had to confront her. That's also why he was so pissed when he actually had to face Ahsoka so many years afterwards.
Even when he starts to fight her, he's basically saying "tell me what I want and the Emperor will spare you". I don't think he was out to kill her until right at the very end, and not until that part where she says she won't leave him. The only person he really *wanted* to hunt down and kill was Obi Wan Kenobi for what he did to him on Mustafar.
I think Vader knew, or at least suspected she was still alive, but in a kind of defiance against the Emperor (something he was known for doing from time to time), he allowed her to be crossed off the list as dead. I think his reasoning here is that if she is alive (like he suspects) she would have no love for the Jedi either, as she'd left the temple of her own accord. So she wasn't a "Jedi" any longer. If she did crop up at a later date, then he'd deal with that time when it came, but for now she wasn't someone even really worth bothering with. What's more, it was (in vader's mind) entirely possible that Ahsoka would join him if he could carefully direct their final meeting. However she stayed off the grid so long, and eventually returned to oppose him, and by the time she did appear, he was too far gone anyway.
Ahsoka had two light sabers. My interpretation of Vader finding one of Ahsokas sabers meant it was intentionally left by her so Vader knew she was still out there with the other one. Annakin had improved her sabers in the last few episodes before giving them back to her so I saw it as a gesture from Ahsoka. Also why did Vader need to kill another Jedi for a new saber when all the dead Jedi from Order 66 would have provided like 50+ sabers.
I would've thought Vader automatically knew, by The Force, what Asoka's status was in terms of her being dead or alive. Anakin and Asoka had a really strong bond like that.
You forget, Vader had a vision when he crossed over to the afterlife in his castle after defeating Lord Monin, the ancient Sith. He sees himself fighting Asoka in the Sith Temple. Later in Rebels, when he finally faces Asoka as Vader he says “It was foretold that you (Asoka) would be here. Our long awaited meeting has come at last.” He knew she was alive. The final scene of Clone wars happened most likely during the Galactic Civil War, or just before it. The novel you mention where Vader remembers Asoka, Mace, Padme, and others while crash landing on Ryloth with his master does not say that he thinks of all of them as dead. He refers to ghosts of the past life he had, not so much that all the people of that life are now ghosts. He mentions Obi Wan in that part too, yet we know he still believes Obi Wan to be alive all the way thru Rebels into a New Hope. I read the comics and the novels too. I study them like I did for my history thesis and tons of other research. I usually agree with you, but you are wrong here.
I think he knew she lived, but saw it as an opportunity to report she was dead and make it believable. I mean, he trained her. He knew what she would do to make it look like she was dead. Even in the beginning of their meeting at the sith temple in Rebels he didn't seem intent on immediately killing her. He let her leave Coruscant, and he'd let her leave the jedi kill list too. He didn't have as much animosity towards her as he did Obi Wan. And he knew painfully well the aspects that made Ashoka not a jedi, and she hated the jedi order like him too for some reasons.
Vader for sure knew she was alive and would come, when he met her again he even echoed the words from the vision, "It was foretold you would be here". So obviously he knew wussup.
I think Vader erased the name of Ahsoka from the list of Jedi to hunt. Proof: in the Darth Vader comics he sees his encounter with Ahsoka in Malachor and hears the words “it was foretold that you would be here” “then you will die” ... he basically was teased of it in visions so the line “foretold” is now reasonable since the force actually showed him that she would be in the Malachor Temple.
One aspect you didn't bring up here, the fact that the Empire was aware that Captain Rex survived, as shown in Rebels. So, it's likely that at some point he and Asohka determined he should return to the Empire, perhaps to free other clones, at which point he would have reported the Venator's crash location, which could very well have been what prompted Vader to go there for that epilogue scene.
I would like to say this Ashoka 18 years after the clone wars ended. She lands on the planet Karn. And meets the sisterhood of Karn. Where she also learns. That Anakin or Vader. And Palatine where members and supporters of the cult of Morbis. And she meets the 4th doctor. And from him. She learns that Count Dooku. Taught Davros the creator of the Daleks. Force lighting. And Jedi strengths and weakness. And the empire was defeated easily by the Daleks. With superior fire power,tactics and weaponry.
Vader knew that Ashoka had kept one of the 2 sabers that he gave to her. He knew she lived as well having seen the vision of their confrontation at the temple. He kept it a light secret as a way to solemnly let that part of him go
I wonder what the Empire thought happened to Maul... in Season 2 of Rebels the Eight Brother was actively looking for him. Maybe they thought he died and re-emerged like Ahsoka or they knew he was alive after Order 66.
When vader found ahsokas saber looking at all the ice and frost on everything its hard to believe that any natural weather would form that quick unless their was some massive blizzard which we don't know but based on the amount of frost and snow etc ahsokas saber even looked frozen and semi buried which would lead me to believe with seasons etc in play it could've been about 16 to 24 months so 2 years
I realize this is a while after the video got posted but I've believed since not long after I saw the video that Vader does _not_ conclude that Ahsoka is dead by finding her lightsaber. The key information is, because it still _works_. There's enough evidence in the scene to indicate that somebody came back and buried the clone troopers' bodies. A few of their helmets can still be seen on stakes near the wreck, although most of them have fallen by this point (including the one he was standing in front of). No doubt the probe droids have enough cadaver-sniffing dog imitation capability that they could indeed determine that the bodies are buried in way too orderly a fashion to have been dispersed by a crash. Which means that somebody, almost certainly a survivor, came back and buried them. He also knows this person never reported back to the Empire after the crash, so it wasn't someone who held loyalty to the New Order. And, of course, the lightsaber works -- which indicates that whoever this survivor, had the saber with them when they survived, and left it here deliberately. If the saber had gone down in the crash, it wouldn't still work; the chances that the forces of going down in a crash of this magnitude wouldn't do at least as much damage to it as any number of other cases where we've seen lightsabers destroyed are remote. So... someone survived. This survivor cared enough about the troops to bury them. Didn't report back to the Empire. And had the saber. Vader can know this just by observing the facts in front of him. Possible theories: 1. it's a clone trooper who collected the saber, but they wouldn't have taken the trouble to do so, only to leave it here afterwards. They would've kept it. 2. It was Maul, but he wouldn't have given a crud about the troops enough to come back and bury them, he would (and did) just leave and never look back. 3. It was Ahsoka. She's the only one who clearly checks all the boxes. As a result, I think Vader knows, or at least strongly suspects, that Ahsoka is alive when he walks away from this scene.
See when I saw the ending I thought at first this was during Empire Strikes back while they were out searching for the Rebel base. Just the snow troopers and the probe droids brought up that thought. And if you look at the wear and tear on the wreckage It's been there a while.
When Vader finds the saber the droids and the snow troopers look very much like they do on Hoth during Empire. That made me think it had been a long time after order 66. I wonder if the Emperor might have but Ahsoka on the list just for Vader to see?
In my opinion the final scene when Vader and the Imperials find the ship and Ahsoka's lightsaber, is a number of years after Order 66. Why do I say this, well look at how weathered the ship wreckage and the clone helmet we see at the end have become, you can also see that most of the many grave marker posts that Rex and Ashoka had previously set up have collapsed over.
I think that final scene in Clone Wars happens after his discovery of her in Star Wars Rebels. More specifically during the Fifth Brother's meetup with Admiral Konstantine. Vader was away and that inquisitor was in his place. Vader found that lightsaber using the Force, it wasn't a coincidence. He probably sensed that Ahsoka had the fallen inquisitor's light sabers instead of her own.
On another topic, I feel like James Luceno should write a novel that focuses on the Grand Inquisitor. Who he was before the war, how the war changed him and how ultimately he decided to serve the Sith. Was he already a secret servant of Darth Sidious during season 5 of TCW? When was his breaking point? I feel like James Luceno would be the best author to really get into his head. Which author would you like to see write a novel about the Grand Inquisitor?
Abe Tsenoh it could possibly end with his death, perhaps via an epilogue and as he is hanging there, just before he let’s go and falls, he has a moment of regret perhaps? He wanted more but in the end he was still a nameless servant of those more powerful. What had he accomplished that was worth the destruction of the Jedi Order?
The final scene with Vader would or should take place after Ashoka disappeared when Ezra pulled her through the gate between worlds. After Vader battled Ashoka and she disappeared then maybe he went to look at the wreckage?
Despite her education at the Jed Temple no one taught her survival skills. You didn’t want any clones to die but she unleashed Maul. You wanted to hide the fact you survived so you memorialize the fallen a sentimental act you alone would do.
I suspect Vader upon finding the light saber buried in the snow, likely thought: Where is the other one? Always two a master and a apprentice and I gave her TWO light sabers not one, also he likely wondered, where Rex's helmet was, after all the senior clones always had different helmets to the regluar troops.
Venator...wait that's the wreck we explore in Fallen Order. That means Ahsoka and Rex crashed on Zeffo? Probably a continuity error as looks very different but it would be cool if she was there before Cal. Maybe he could find something of hers and pick up her force echo in the sequel. I'd certainly like to see her make an appearance.
I'm convinced that Vader figured Ahsoka was dead, not just because of the light saber, but also because of Morai... Vader, after having found the graves of the 501st, and Ahsoka's lightsaber looks up to see the avatar of the daughter hovering above. He can feel the Light side of the force shine from Morai, in stark contrast to the barren, empty, dead, cold wasteland he finds himself. He has felt this presence before, a long time ago on Mortis... when he was there with Obi-wan and Ahsoka... before he became this cold, dead, empty machine. The light side presence morned then too, when the daughter died, as it did now. Vader looks back at the saber he gave to her; "This lightsaber is your life" he recalls teaching her. Yes, she must be dead. Rex did his duty. Unsure of the meaning of the bird, Vader returns to the Emperor explaining everything he saw and sensed. After all, he has a deeper understanding of the force. "Good... Good. Take her off the list. We must focus on those who remain alive."
I like to think that Vader knew she was alive, even after he found her lightsaber. Something about Vader believing she is truly dead doesn't sit right with me.
Ive done a little Googling and haven't found a definitive answer, and I may be waaaayyyy off base here. We don't really know how much time has past, so depending on how long it took Vader to find this wreck, is it possible that the crystal in Ahsokas discarded saber is the one he bleeds and uses for his red saber?
No in one of the comic Vader had to find and Kill a Jedi Master. He gets his ass kicked the first few blows than vader drowns a city of innocents and killls the jedi takes his crystal back to mustafaar and bleeds it but it wasnt Ahsoka lightsaber i can imagine Ahsoka's lightsaber probably was in Darth Vader's Castle as a trophy
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i was always confused why vader thought she was dead from that scene. he finds a lightsaber inform of a grave site. if a dog tag was found in front of a burial sight I wouldn't think its owner was dead, who buried the bodies? who put the tags (lightsaber) in front of it? my only thought is that they found the ship, found the saber and left. not bothering with any recovery efforts, so they did see the graves
Theory: Vader used the crystal(s) from her lightsaber in one of he inquisition sabers, and that’s why when Ashoka killed an inquisitior the saber crystals called out to her, because they were actually her crystals that she already bonded with
I just thought something weird but what if Vader when he was going to fight ashoka pulls out her lightsaber the one anakin gave her and started a dialogue with her it probably would let happen but I like to think it would in some other universe
I have no proof of this, but for some reason I believe he found Ashoka's lightsaber 3 months after order 66. It just feels like the right amount of time.
I personally believe that Vader thought that Ashoka was as dead as Anakin Skywalker; that she is not a threat to the Empire. However, this also means that he might have a vetted interest in making her his dark side apprentice should their paths cross. Its quite unfortunate that their path crossed the way they did & such…
To be fair, Sixth Brother still wasn't very bright even after Vader's lessons. I don't think his lack of recognition tells us anything. But yeah, there are some other sources that make it more clear
How do you come to the conclusion that by finding Ahsoka's lightsaber Anakin believes her dead? He had to have known it was her who buried the 501st and propped up the helms as a memorial. He would have noticed that, he's not dumb or inattentive... If he reported her dead after that, it was to throw the Emperor off her trail.
I still don't understand why the clones attacked Ashoka. It was know to all the troops that she was NOT a Jedi or affiliated with the order. Order 66 was quite specific. The order was not to kill all force wielders, just Jedi/Padawans/younglings. She even made it a point to tell Yoda that she acted as a citizen, not as a Jedi. Kinda hokey if you ask me.
He barely remembers Ashoka? And what exactly does he think Padme would do if he did bring her back? Like.. What's his game plan? Safe to say she would be horrified.
Out of an order of thousands more than a few togruta were likely on the list?? Or the list was more like the likely to have survived and the unlikely or those believed to be death. she was said to be dead.
Vader in that final scene realising he has truly lost everything, he's old life finally lost, Anakin Skywalker is now truly dead, and all he has become is a monster, such a tragic ending to the show
@Hen_plays523 I know, I bet they really struggled with that one since the Disney era star wars is obsessed with nostalgia, this ending shows great originality
I took it as, “oh what a relief, I don’t have to hunt her down!”
@@phantomsidious2934 I actually disagree, Vader wasn't ever really a monster, unlike Palpatine I think a part of him always regretted what he became.
We can see this even in the OT when he tries to tell Luke that it's "too late" for him, to convince Luke not to try to turn him back. It reveals that on some deep level he actually wanted to be good, he'd just convinced himself it wasn't possible anymore.
Truly monstrous villains never feel regret, Vader was just someone who made a few too many mistakes and had convinced himself redemption was impossible, so he might as well double down
@@AeneasGemini Telling Luke it was "too late for me" was all the proof one needs to know it's not.
@@AeneasGemini I agree. Palpatine basically needed to keep Vader trapped in a prison of his own self-loathing, hatred and rage, and that rage was fueled by pain. Which is why Palpatine also ensured he was in constant pain from his suit, but also why he made him do what he did and told him he had killed Padme . So he would be in constant mental and psychological anguish over his actions. Like a constant torture.
So, Palpapatine had to ensure those negative emotions were maintained all the time. He knew that Vader had a conscience, and that he hated what he had done, and knew that his regret and self-loathing could overcome him. I wonder if that's why he basically made it impossible for Vader to kill himself.
I think that's also why their relationship was underwritten by fear. Any time Vader showed mercy, hesitated or 'failed' he would be punished for it. Usually by being tortured.
What Vader was thinking when he found the lightsaber: “Shit... I never taught her how to crash land correctly.”
“Another happy landing!”
Crash landing? try spinning, thats a good trick...
To me, "The apprentice lives" reads more as confirmation than realisation; he realises that the vision was true, and that he was right to consider it legitimate.
also, in the Darth Vader comics he sees his encounter with Ahsoka in Malachor and hears the words “it was foretold that you would be here” “then you will die” ... he basically was teased of it in visions so the line “foretold” is now reasonable since the force actually showed him that she would be in the Malachor Temple.
Yeah, vader knew she alive, or at least suspected it, since near the end of the vader comics
@@johnhubert8253 I think he knew she was alive from the time when he found the wreck. He knows it's her ship. He knows someone came back to bury the troops, which means someone survived. And the moment he lights up the saber and finds that it still works, he knows whoever survived had the saber on them -- it didn't go down with the ship. Ahsoka herself is the only person who checks off all those boxes, just by basic deduction.
I really do belive vader carried a bit of regret and remorse for ahsoka, kinda like he did for padme, when ahsoka cuts Vader’s mask and vader says “ahsoka” and has a bit of doubt in his eyes I truly belive that that’s anakin not vader. But once he remembers what he’s become that bit of anakin gets crushed again. Maybe vader was thinking when he found ahsokas light saber “good I don’t have to kill her know”
I heard somewhere that scene where he fights Ashoka happened like 15 years after Revenge of the Sith. It seems Ezra Bridger was born the same year as Luke and Leia, and he's a teenager here, so it makes sense that a *long* time had passed.
I do agree with you though. Vader hesitated there when he called Ashoka's name, and he never hesitates. He had more than 'a little bit of regret' over Padme though. The belief he had killed her literally tormented him every waking moment. There's one scene in a comic where someone asks him who or what he hates so much, and he says "myself".
I actually really hope that if Ashoka is going to be in the Mandalorian series she will meet with Luke, so he can tell her about Vader's redemption and how he did finally bring back Anakin and fulfill the Chosen One prophecy. She could tell him in turn about his mother, and about her time as Anakin's Padawan.
@@englishlady9797 if the mandolorian ashoka is any good i say give her a show. I want to see alot of what happened between return and tfa
Personally I think Ahsoka was very important to Vader. In Rebels Vader hesitates before attacking Ahsoka we she chopped his mask. The only other time he has done that is with Luke.
@@englishlady9797 Gosh I would love that. Even if we don’t see it but maybe a ending episode where it’s like they are talking a little and we assume they talk about it. Would bring me so much joy
Vader probably thought she was alive but still opted to cross her off the Empire's list of Jedi targets.
I like to think it was some piece of Anakin that influenced this, to give Ahsoka some measure of peace in the post Order 66 Galaxy. Knowing that if they had to come across each other again, someone would likely die. Love these vids, SW Reading club! :)
Punished "Venom" Snake Filoni said Vader wants Ashoka to die because she represents Anakin Skywalker morals and his past. So he would probably kept her name on it especially after the Mustafar vision.
@@Nubin2000 True, but Darth Vader didn't tell Palpatine about his vision of Ahsoka.
He didn't even find out about Ahsoka surviving Order 66 until season 2 of Rebels which could mean that Darth Vader didn't think Ahsoka was an issue for the Empire to worry about. Maybe this was due to the fact that the last time Anakin saw Ahsoka, she implied that she didn't want to fight in anymore wars because of what it did to the Jedi.
There are probably other reasons too, but we'll never know them until Dave Filoni gives hints to what they are.
Yeah I always figured Vader had a softer spot for Ashoka and if given the choice he would prefer not to deal with her, as meeting her would mean confronting anakin's past and may weaken vader. So Vader would take Ashoka's name of the empire's list given the first opportunity that he had evidence she was dead. Then when she confront him, he offered her a chance to leave twice (sure at the cost of betraying jedi but that is more than most get) and if wasn't for the holocron he might have just let her walk away. Viewing fighting someone that close to anakin's past as much more trouble than it is worth and could truly weaken vader's hold over anakin.
Poor Vader, he lost everything, his mother, wife, best friend, apprentice, limbs, and his sanity. All of that because of Darth Sidious lying to him all the time
You reap what you sow
Sidious is pretty much at the heart of everything rotten in the galaxy around that point in time. Nothing and no one was sacrosanct to him. You were either a useful tool, or discarded junk.
Anakin fear of loss and greed for power led him to his fate.
@@Nelo_Wolf How?
@@eracer166 how? Are you seriously?
“It was foretold that you would be here. Our long awaited meeting has come at last.”
Man that dialogue they have before they fight gets me every time. One of the best conversations in Star Wars
"I'm glad I gave you something to look forward to"
@Stax 2High "The Emperor will show you mercy if you tell me were the remaining jedi can be found"
@@eatfresh5547 “There are no Jedi. You and your Inquisitors have seen to that.”
@@garbagecan7847 “perhaps this child will confess what you will not”
Anakin was taken from his mother as a child, given to an inexperienced and grieving master, had few friends since the other younglings didn't like him and was forced into a Galactic scale war. He had little control over his life and Sidious' manipulation only worsened things.
He wasn't taking he choose to go he could have stayed qui gon gave him the option
The only choice Anakin made that was free of anyone else's influence was his decision to save Luke. That is why it set him free at last. He had no plan of betrayal or schemes to take over when he chose to kill Palpatine. He did it because he wanted his son to live. He proved that his love for his family truly was stronger than the greatest powers of the dark side.
Bet Vader was like this upon finding out her living:
*I sense something; a presence I've not felt since...*
made my day bro
Ive not felt since... Apprentice?
@Abe Tsenoh You mean maul right?
The first time he sensed her he said: "The apprentice lives."
His actual reaction was shown in Rebels.
Darth Vader was mad the comment section moved, it enraged him more than sand
Every time I press the x to get out of comment replies it completely kicks me out of comments and it’s infuriating
@Scp 173 bro shut up it’s been a year
No, when Vader finds Ahsoka's lightsaber far more than a few months have past. For one, the Empire didn't transition to Stromtroopers that quickly. Second, look at the decay of the ship. All of the rust, how faded the paint is on the clone trooper helmets, etc. IMO at least 5 years if not 10 have past. Maybe ever longer than that. But, enough that the Clone Wars have started to become a faded memory.
Darth Vader already has his red lightsaber so we could guess the timeline from that. 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah, the clone troopers were aged out over time.
And the Lambda class transport wasn’t built for quite some time after the clone wars
@@AutomaticAxe I'm not sure if this is true, but someone told me that the shuttle transport was made 15 years after ROTS so that would mean the ending scene of TCW is in fact the same time season 2 of Rebels takes place.
@@ahsoka5216 15 years precisely
I personally hope this takes place after he ‘killed’ Ahsoka in Rebels. Under the assumption that she is dead, he journeys to a recently discovered wreck from the Clone War era. He arrives to investigate a possible Jedi connection and finds the lightsaber he gave to her, the last time he was her as Anakin. He ignited it for proof, rejecting any and all regret for his actions and looks up. He sees the Owl, one that followed Ahsoka for a long time. He quietly acknowledges what this Owl represents, and realises this implies her survival. A confused moment of happiness and anger crosses him, before deciding it was irrelevant. He takes the Sabre, refusing to inform Palpatine of his suspicion and hopes to never face her again.
It’s a cold scene of Vader allowing Anakin a moment to grieve after her ‘death.’ But only a moment. Then he crushes Anakin entirely and leaves to investigate an attack on the Death Star Plans.
Lewis Davidson that would honestly ruin it for me
Vader seeing Morai confirms to him that she's still alive and likely nearby. We all know if you see Morai, Ahsoka is near.
Morai was someone Ashoka met after mandalore so Vader doesnt know about the little owl. In twilight of the apprentoce he doesnt observe it there. Also moreye seems more reminiscent of a higher force being than a normal bind that follows Ashoka around.
@@badrinath5306 I’m pretty sure it’s the daughter from the Mortis arc, or sometning along the lines of that, it shares the colour scheme and the daughter (the embodiment of the light side) died during that arc, morai also sounds a little like Mortis, maybe she reincarnated like a force ghost, but as an owl instead.
When Vader was attacking the Rebel convoy during rebels, he said "So, the apprentice lives." Which to me means that he was surprised that she was alive. Given how deeply the wreck of that Venator was buried in ice and snow, I think it was years after Order 66. I believe that he'd written her off for dead, and caught off guard when she wasn't.
I also think that it was possible that Ahsoka could possibly have reawakened Anakin if she'd had just a but more time during their "reunion." Though she wasn't of his blood, Anakin definitely looked at her like a daughter, which Obi Wan said could be his undoing.
@Ahsoka Tano While Rey's relationship to Luke was a undeveloped and not enough screen time with Leia due to Carrie Fisher death it can be said that she found people who didn't care about her bloodline but cared about who she was. Luke says " some things are stronger than blood". Same for Luke Skywalker as well his friends are what pushed him to keep going even after his loss to Vader and was the reason he had try and save them from Vader.
Wouldn’t Vader question who buried these troopers in a brotherhood-manner, when there were no survivors?
especially since all the helmets were mounted...."where did the survivor / person who buried the troops go?" should have been asked.
There was alot of snow, he did"nt see their graves
I think with the winter the burial was hidden
Definitely not the Jedi they died to kill.
@@roef3984 In the pulled out shot from the side, you can see that some of the stakes with the helmets on them are still visible. Besides which, the chances those probe droids wouldn't have figured out that the bodies were all lined up in neat and tidy little rows is zero.
But the clincher is, when he tries out her saber, it still works. Which means that not only someone survived the wreck and came back to bury the troops, but they had the saber on them. She's the only one who checks off all those boxes.
Vader: Chops off inquisitor's arm
The Grand Inquisitor: What could u possibly teach him by cutting off his arm?
Vader: Its a Skywalker Tradition
I have a question that I can’t seem to find an answered to.
What was Luminara Unduli reaction to Barriss Offee betrayal to the Jedi order?
I think it would depend on if she was alibe during the trial if she was than she would be beyond pissed at Barriss
I guess disappointed and ashamed because you can tell at the beginning of the show Barriss Offee looked up to Luminara for guidance and now she's probably upset that her pupil has fallen so far. Luminara probably blames herself for Barriss' fall as well since she was the one who trained and taught her everything she knows.
@@alexpena4091 she was killed by the Empire, so she was obviously alive lol
same
3:50 whoever the artist is who gave Vader gleeful happy anime eyes is a legend! It completely changes the mood of the scene 😂
In Rebels, Rex says he went back to the empire and worked for them for years until clones were phased out for stormtroopers. Seems like he would have said "yep Shot her myself, buried her on that moon with all the dead clones with my own two hands." to take the heat off of her.
Dave Filoni confirms vader is hunting in the final scene of the clone wars n states he is probably hunting ahsoka specifically as they knew she was on that ship and where it crashed so that would be the best place for him to start.i dont think either vader or sidious were ever totally convinced ahsoka was dead
I would say that Vader was tormented most by having to hunt Ahsoka because of their special relationship. It would've been like hunting his little sister or daughter, maybe. So, when Vader finds Ahsoka's saber, it actually gives him a relief and just accepts her death weather he wants to truly believe it or not. The way Vader holds the saber, especially after activating it, make me think of how he held Luke's "new" lightsaber, when the two met on Endor. There's a certain connection which makes me believe Vader wouldn't want to have had to confront her. That's also why he was so pissed when he actually had to face Ahsoka so many years afterwards.
Even when he starts to fight her, he's basically saying "tell me what I want and the Emperor will spare you". I don't think he was out to kill her until right at the very end, and not until that part where she says she won't leave him.
The only person he really *wanted* to hunt down and kill was Obi Wan Kenobi for what he did to him on Mustafar.
@@englishlady9797 I can totally see that.
I think Vader knew, or at least suspected she was still alive, but in a kind of defiance against the Emperor (something he was known for doing from time to time), he allowed her to be crossed off the list as dead. I think his reasoning here is that if she is alive (like he suspects) she would have no love for the Jedi either, as she'd left the temple of her own accord. So she wasn't a "Jedi" any longer. If she did crop up at a later date, then he'd deal with that time when it came, but for now she wasn't someone even really worth bothering with. What's more, it was (in vader's mind) entirely possible that Ahsoka would join him if he could carefully direct their final meeting. However she stayed off the grid so long, and eventually returned to oppose him, and by the time she did appear, he was too far gone anyway.
Ahsoka had two light sabers. My interpretation of Vader finding one of Ahsokas sabers meant it was intentionally left by her so Vader knew she was still out there with the other one. Annakin had improved her sabers in the last few episodes before giving them back to her so I saw it as a gesture from Ahsoka. Also why did Vader need to kill another Jedi for a new saber when all the dead Jedi from Order 66 would have provided like 50+ sabers.
I'm pretty sure it's because it was a test, he needed the crystal from a Jedi that HE killed
quote from the comic" a sith saber is not given, it is taken"
I would've thought Vader automatically knew, by The Force, what Asoka's status was in terms of her being dead or alive. Anakin and Asoka had a really strong bond like that.
You forget, Vader had a vision when he crossed over to the afterlife in his castle after defeating Lord Monin, the ancient Sith. He sees himself fighting Asoka in the Sith Temple. Later in Rebels, when he finally faces Asoka as Vader he says “It was foretold that you (Asoka) would be here. Our long awaited meeting has come at last.” He knew she was alive. The final scene of Clone wars happened most likely during the Galactic Civil War, or just before it. The novel you mention where Vader remembers Asoka, Mace, Padme, and others while crash landing on Ryloth with his master does not say that he thinks of all of them as dead. He refers to ghosts of the past life he had, not so much that all the people of that life are now ghosts. He mentions Obi Wan in that part too, yet we know he still believes Obi Wan to be alive all the way thru Rebels into a New Hope. I read the comics and the novels too. I study them like I did for my history thesis and tons of other research. I usually agree with you, but you are wrong here.
All I know is that it was after Vader constructed his new lightsaber (the one from the original trilogy)
If you have two lightsabers, leave one behind. If you have one, keep it.
Makes no since
I think he knew she lived, but saw it as an opportunity to report she was dead and make it believable. I mean, he trained her. He knew what she would do to make it look like she was dead. Even in the beginning of their meeting at the sith temple in Rebels he didn't seem intent on immediately killing her. He let her leave Coruscant, and he'd let her leave the jedi kill list too. He didn't have as much animosity towards her as he did Obi Wan. And he knew painfully well the aspects that made Ashoka not a jedi, and she hated the jedi order like him too for some reasons.
He knew she was alive. Who else would bury and marker those clones?
Vader for sure knew she was alive and would come, when he met her again he even echoed the words from the vision, "It was foretold you would be here". So obviously he knew wussup.
I want to assume Vader knew she survived that crash. How else would the sticks holding up the helmets be there?
I think Vader erased the name of Ahsoka from the list of Jedi to hunt.
Proof: in the Darth Vader comics he sees his encounter with Ahsoka in Malachor and hears the words “it was foretold that you would be here” “then you will die” ... he basically was teased of it in visions so the line “foretold” is now reasonable since the force actually showed him that she would be in the Malachor Temple.
Super well done video. Wow, thank you for this!
One aspect you didn't bring up here, the fact that the Empire was aware that Captain Rex survived, as shown in Rebels. So, it's likely that at some point he and Asohka determined he should return to the Empire, perhaps to free other clones, at which point he would have reported the Venator's crash location, which could very well have been what prompted Vader to go there for that epilogue scene.
I would like to say this Ashoka 18 years after the clone wars ended. She lands on the planet Karn. And meets the sisterhood of Karn. Where she also learns. That Anakin or Vader. And Palatine where members and supporters of the cult of Morbis. And she meets the 4th doctor. And from him. She learns that Count Dooku. Taught Davros the creator of the Daleks. Force lighting. And Jedi strengths and weakness. And the empire was defeated easily by the Daleks. With superior fire power,tactics and weaponry.
Vader knew that Ashoka had kept one of the 2 sabers that he gave to her. He knew she lived as well having seen the vision of their confrontation at the temple. He kept it a light secret as a way to solemnly let that part of him go
I wonder what the Empire thought happened to Maul... in Season 2 of Rebels the Eight Brother was actively looking for him. Maybe they thought he died and re-emerged like Ahsoka or they knew he was alive after Order 66.
The second he helped kill Winding he knew there was no going back, but he still carried remorse for everything
Finding the crash had to have been some time though, given the Imperials equipment, uniforms, etc.
Can we talk about how cool Vader looks with the blue Lightsaber at 1:03
Vader knew she is alive but reported her as dead he wanted to save only one person from his prior life
Maybe Vader had a slight bit of kindness to let Ahsoka go; in Vader's own twisted to help bury him former self.
When vader found ahsokas saber looking at all the ice and frost on everything its hard to believe that any natural weather would form that quick unless their was some massive blizzard which we don't know but based on the amount of frost and snow etc ahsokas saber even looked frozen and semi buried which would lead me to believe with seasons etc in play it could've been about 16 to 24 months so 2 years
Great video my friend. Thanks for uploading it. 👍
I realize this is a while after the video got posted but I've believed since not long after I saw the video that Vader does _not_ conclude that Ahsoka is dead by finding her lightsaber. The key information is, because it still _works_. There's enough evidence in the scene to indicate that somebody came back and buried the clone troopers' bodies. A few of their helmets can still be seen on stakes near the wreck, although most of them have fallen by this point (including the one he was standing in front of). No doubt the probe droids have enough cadaver-sniffing dog imitation capability that they could indeed determine that the bodies are buried in way too orderly a fashion to have been dispersed by a crash. Which means that somebody, almost certainly a survivor, came back and buried them. He also knows this person never reported back to the Empire after the crash, so it wasn't someone who held loyalty to the New Order. And, of course, the lightsaber works -- which indicates that whoever this survivor, had the saber with them when they survived, and left it here deliberately. If the saber had gone down in the crash, it wouldn't still work; the chances that the forces of going down in a crash of this magnitude wouldn't do at least as much damage to it as any number of other cases where we've seen lightsabers destroyed are remote.
So... someone survived. This survivor cared enough about the troops to bury them. Didn't report back to the Empire. And had the saber. Vader can know this just by observing the facts in front of him.
Possible theories: 1. it's a clone trooper who collected the saber, but they wouldn't have taken the trouble to do so, only to leave it here afterwards. They would've kept it. 2. It was Maul, but he wouldn't have given a crud about the troops enough to come back and bury them, he would (and did) just leave and never look back. 3. It was Ahsoka. She's the only one who clearly checks all the boxes.
As a result, I think Vader knows, or at least strongly suspects, that Ahsoka is alive when he walks away from this scene.
Vader probably said to Ahsoka “that it was foretold that you would be here,” because he saw this vision of the future.
See when I saw the ending I thought at first this was during Empire Strikes back while they were out searching for the Rebel base. Just the snow troopers and the probe droids brought up that thought. And if you look at the wear and tear on the wreckage It's been there a while.
When Vader finds the saber the droids and the snow troopers look very much like they do on Hoth during Empire. That made me think it had been a long time after order 66. I wonder if the Emperor might have but Ahsoka on the list just for Vader to see?
The Image at 5:32 reminded me of Judge Death and got me thinking what would a 2000AD, Star Wars cross over be like.
In my opinion the final scene when Vader and the Imperials find the ship and Ahsoka's lightsaber, is a number of years after Order 66. Why do I say this, well look at how weathered the ship wreckage and the clone helmet we see at the end have become, you can also see that most of the many grave marker posts that Rex and Ashoka had previously set up have collapsed over.
I think that final scene in Clone Wars happens after his discovery of her in Star Wars Rebels. More specifically during the Fifth Brother's meetup with Admiral Konstantine. Vader was away and that inquisitor was in his place. Vader found that lightsaber using the Force, it wasn't a coincidence. He probably sensed that Ahsoka had the fallen inquisitor's light sabers instead of her own.
Since the empire knew maul had lived, I assume that they thought that ashoka would have given her life fighting him on that venator.
On another topic, I feel like James Luceno should write a novel that focuses on the Grand Inquisitor. Who he was before the war, how the war changed him and how ultimately he decided to serve the Sith. Was he already a secret servant of Darth Sidious during season 5 of TCW? When was his breaking point? I feel like James Luceno would be the best author to really get into his head.
Which author would you like to see write a novel about the Grand Inquisitor?
Abe Tsenoh it could possibly end with his death, perhaps via an epilogue and as he is hanging there, just before he let’s go and falls, he has a moment of regret perhaps? He wanted more but in the end he was still a nameless servant of those more powerful. What had he accomplished that was worth the destruction of the Jedi Order?
The final scene with Vader would or should take place after Ashoka disappeared when Ezra pulled her through the gate between worlds. After Vader battled Ashoka and she disappeared then maybe he went to look at the wreckage?
For the "Grand Inquisitor" then. Great video as always. Thanks.
Havent seen order 66 in so many title in years
who else wants a series about Vader before A New Hope?
Yes! Him hunting down all the Jedi and what asohka does during this time
Swinny yes would be really cool to see
She died. There I saved everyone 11 minutes.
you sure about that buddy.
I think all of us can agree that this Darth Vader looks a lot better than his counter part from the Star Wars Rebels.
I liked to think that the final scene with Vader took place after their duel on malachor and he thought he killed her
1:58 what book is this??
I think finding the lightsaber is set after Vader spoke to palpy like it’s his search to see if he sensed right
Despite her education at the Jed Temple no one taught her survival skills. You didn’t want any clones to die but she unleashed Maul. You wanted to hide the fact you survived so you memorialize the fallen a sentimental act you alone would do.
I suspect Vader upon finding the light saber buried in the snow, likely thought: Where is the other one? Always two a master and a apprentice and I gave her TWO light sabers not one, also he likely wondered, where Rex's helmet was, after all the senior clones always had different helmets to the regluar troops.
Venator...wait that's the wreck we explore in Fallen Order. That means Ahsoka and Rex crashed on Zeffo? Probably a continuity error as looks very different but it would be cool if she was there before Cal. Maybe he could find something of hers and pick up her force echo in the sequel. I'd certainly like to see her make an appearance.
I'm convinced that Vader figured Ahsoka was dead, not just because of the light saber, but also because of Morai...
Vader, after having found the graves of the 501st, and Ahsoka's lightsaber looks up to see the avatar of the daughter hovering above. He can feel the Light side of the force shine from Morai, in stark contrast to the barren, empty, dead, cold wasteland he finds himself. He has felt this presence before, a long time ago on Mortis... when he was there with Obi-wan and Ahsoka... before he became this cold, dead, empty machine.
The light side presence morned then too, when the daughter died, as it did now.
Vader looks back at the saber he gave to her; "This lightsaber is your life" he recalls teaching her. Yes, she must be dead. Rex did his duty.
Unsure of the meaning of the bird, Vader returns to the Emperor explaining everything he saw and sensed. After all, he has a deeper understanding of the force.
"Good... Good. Take her off the list. We must focus on those who remain alive."
Please make a video on the droid 11-4d.
Little did they know the things I was doing to help the rebellion
I like to think that Vader knew she was alive, even after he found her lightsaber. Something about Vader believing she is truly dead doesn't sit right with me.
what happened to the Inquisitors during 4th-6th movies?
I think Vader knew ahsoka was alive. She's a survivor. Anikan knew this.
Ive done a little Googling and haven't found a definitive answer, and I may be waaaayyyy off base here. We don't really know how much time has past, so depending on how long it took Vader to find this wreck, is it possible that the crystal in Ahsokas discarded saber is the one he bleeds and uses for his red saber?
No in one of the comic Vader had to find and Kill a Jedi Master. He gets his ass kicked the first few blows than vader drowns a city of innocents and killls the jedi takes his crystal back to mustafaar and bleeds it but it wasnt Ahsoka lightsaber i can imagine Ahsoka's lightsaber probably was in Darth Vader's Castle as a trophy
It is Sith tradition to steal the kyper crystal from a jedi that sith killed
Will somwone tell me where i can read or buy all the books and comics? The only time i saw any star wars comics in my po dunk town was in the early 80s. I bought returns of the jedi , comic book series. After that i didnt know where to get them, so , if anyone wouldnt mind , i would appriciate info on where i could buy or at least read the books and comics? Thanks in advance
i was always confused why vader thought she was dead from that scene. he finds a lightsaber inform of a grave site. if a dog tag was found in front of a burial sight I wouldn't think its owner was dead, who buried the bodies? who put the tags (lightsaber) in front of it?
my only thought is that they found the ship, found the saber and left. not bothering with any recovery efforts, so they did see the graves
Flood escape bg music lol
This was the moment Anakin Skywalker became Heisenberg
*The Apprentice Lives*
*No!!*
What comic book is this?
I have a hard time buying that Vader wouldn't have immediately tried to find Ahsoka either through the Force or physically.
Thanks so much for this. In the future could you explain the timeline of Mandalorian, I am lost as to when it occurs.
After Endor I believe, but before TFA.
@@helenwhs Thanks
does anyone know what moon they crash landed on?
Theory: Vader used the crystal(s) from her lightsaber in one of he inquisition sabers, and that’s why when Ashoka killed an inquisitior the saber crystals called out to her, because they were actually her crystals that she already bonded with
That can’t be possible we can see Vader’s lightsaber on his belt when he is walking back to the imperial shuttle
Vader jus like with obi wan had a moment of regret when both cut his mask open but his hate for the jedi for holding him bck takes over
I just thought something weird but what if Vader when he was going to fight ashoka pulls out her lightsaber the one anakin gave her and started a dialogue with her it probably would let happen but I like to think it would in some other universe
I have no proof of this, but for some reason I believe he found Ashoka's lightsaber 3 months after order 66. It just feels like the right amount of time.
Maybe when he went to get ahsoka lightsaber it was after she died?
I personally believe that Vader thought that Ashoka was as dead as Anakin Skywalker; that she is not a threat to the Empire. However, this also means that he might have a vetted interest in making her his dark side apprentice should their paths cross. Its quite unfortunate that their path crossed the way they did & such…
Ending of CW was crazy. 🥺🥺
I like the end because in they're episode of rebels twilight of the apprentice Vader says it was told that she'd be there
To be fair, Sixth Brother still wasn't very bright even after Vader's lessons. I don't think his lack of recognition tells us anything. But yeah, there are some other sources that make it more clear
Dnt he say " it was for told we would meet again" like maybe he remembered the vision?
Not gunna lie I kinda miss you saying "in this video expose" to start
can you please make a video of the different midiclorian counts of the people of star wars?
Well given the tales of jedi… the inquisitor knew who she was so def she was still on the list. And after this even Vader prob found her lightsaber
How do you come to the conclusion that by finding Ahsoka's lightsaber Anakin believes her dead? He had to have known it was her who buried the 501st and propped up the helms as a memorial. He would have noticed that, he's not dumb or inattentive...
If he reported her dead after that, it was to throw the Emperor off her trail.
I feel like that ship would be pretty important because of maul possibly being free and being a rival for Vader
I still don't understand why the clones attacked Ashoka. It was know to all the troops that she was NOT a Jedi or affiliated with the order. Order 66 was quite specific. The order was not to kill all force wielders, just Jedi/Padawans/younglings. She even made it a point to tell Yoda that she acted as a citizen, not as a Jedi. Kinda hokey if you ask me.
He barely remembers Ashoka? And what exactly does he think Padme would do if he did bring her back? Like.. What's his game plan? Safe to say she would be horrified.
Vader and his greatest weakness "Visions"..... ☠😈
Out of an order of thousands more than a few togruta were likely on the list??
Or the list was more like the likely to have survived and the unlikely or those believed to be death.
she was said to be dead.
Did Vader press "Fosh" to pay respects?
What if Ahsoka became an inquisitor?
I can not fimd any proof for this, but that would be VERY interesting.