Because it was mostly Toyota. They called on Suburu for the engine, because flat engines sit nice and low, and the rest is history. Ordered a 23' BRZ myself.
My 2021 Subaru Legacy Touring XT with the 2.4 turbo (260 HP, 277 lb feet of torque) and a CVT does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds too. Nothing about it is performance tuned.
@@cgreenfield6655 Not sure about the stats on those but I suspect you're right. A 2009 WRX would absolutely spank this new one, I think those did 0-60 in the high 4s. Strange marketing choice to axe the STI and give us a watered down WRX.
They are going for effortless power and while nice--is not enough for an enthusiast.I just had a Mazda CX-30 turbo and just traded it in for a Kona N.But this should have been fster considering it is now a solid 40k plus car--its in stinger GT money for that price.
Many cars require a shift to 3rd before 60. MW doesn’t typically subject their test cars to a 6,000 rpm clutch drop like Car and Driver (that’s why I love them lol). 6.1 sec is more indicative of a 5-60 street start. Grenade the clutch and a 4.8-5.3 is probably possible on your way to the dealership to replace the clutch.
I remember in 2004, John Davis and the motorweek team lamented the lack of a radio in the 2004 subaru wrx. now in 2022, they have a giant tablet that is an even worse infotainment because it lacks physical buttons for all hvac and media controls.
I like the earlier WRXs and STIs from the days when the EVO was it’s main rivalry. Subaru is slowly killing this thing off just like Mitsubishi did with EVO and Ford did with the 350hp Focus RS.
I just bought one, also have 2 bugeyes and a 2011 STi hatch. This brand new one wipes the floor of the others easily. It's so much better in real world use, sure it's ugly but hey it's a Subaru lol
@@trapt29 Same here. Everyone crapping on it is unlikely to actually have one. It's a blast to drive and she gets right up and goes in inclement weather!
@@MonacellaGuitarProductions it is a blast to drive for sure. On the new global platform it’s mor refined and adult like. I love my ceramic white and the contrast with the black accents.
@@thrillhouse8787 I somewhat do. In our training materials, they are really getting us ready for electric. They put the minimal effort required into the new WRX, so they can focus on the new Solterra and the electric STI.
@@calvin- Thanks for this - that's more or less been my hunch. Minimal R&D funnelled into next/last generation of a very old school ICE car, funds diverted elsewhere for electric. It's a shame, but not unexpected. Hyundai (and to a somewhat lesser extent, Toyota) seem like the only two companies really pumping cash into cool ICE performance cars in these final days (brand building for the N and GR divisions, I suppose). Hopefully that electric STI brings something interesting to the table... but not holding my breath.
@@martinr8278 I doubt he would want to disclose that online when he just criticized the new wrx. We all know how fanatical some subie fans can be. Don't want them trying to do something stupid like trying to track this guy down and harass him. I doubt they would, but you never know these days.
Reality: No transmission is loathed more by enthusiasts than a CVT. Subaru USA: The community has spoken and we deliver. The range topping WRX geared towards enthusiasts is available exclusively with a CVT and has an MSRP of $10-12K above Base and Premium models.
Few people on the internet do not speak for the majority of us Subaru owners. I've owned 8 Subarus with the CVT. Currently the 22 outback wilderness. I've put hundreds of thousands of miles on that transmission without fail. It's the best in the business. It's the future of auto.
@@teabag3854 I've had NO ISSUES with mine, with shifts being suitably crisp for highway traffic situations. HOWEVER, I'm thinking that the 'future of auto' transmissions may be dimmed by direct drive electric motors.
...but you still need to launch the car like you hate it and beat the living daylights out of it from there...heritage is one thing, but continuing (wrc glory) heritage is something else. The new car has potential, but you have to work really hard, almost too hard, to get its heritage performance. This road car is far from a rally car, very far.
Only thing i can think is there will be a performance variant (I know they aren't bringing an STI out) because otherwise, at this point, 14.6 quarter mile is slower than even the new BRZ/GR86, the once might WRX is now just a quick Impreza. I am sure the 2.4 is a better upgrade to the inconsistent 2.0, but jeez, as a previous owner of a 2005 STI and a 2018 WRX, ive no interest in this new WRX.
Still baffled why Subaru chose to not bring an STi version of this car to the market. Especially when Gazoo Racing and Nismo look likely to have a big year or two ahead of them. Perhaps with a lot of wishful thinking they will bring an STi BRZ to the US market to help fill the void.
unbelievable! Just test drove one and I couldn't believe if felt slower than my wrong wheel drive stock mk7 GTI! I am no joking! Look for the tets drive. Few good positives! No body roll, near zero turbo lag and a actual very quiet cabin. That's about it and that mpg doesn't make it any better. Subaru just killed it!
I’m not surprised it felt slower than a GTI. The EA888 motor makes effortless power everywhere. The Subaru FA24F makes more power 271 hp vs 210/220 hp but feels lethargic and flat (no pun intended lol)
Looks well but in today’s market it doesn’t stand a chance, you can get a Toyota Yaris 1.6 (3 cylinder) with 260 bhp plus most two litre hot hatches come standard with 300 bhp - it’s a shame but too little too late !
I waited 3 years for the new sti to come out and when they announced no sti would be produced i went out and bought a gtr. Too bad Subaru didn’t keep its word on making them.
Had an Outback for over 11 years, powered by the EJ25 engine. The only gripe I had with that car was the oil consumption got to be so bad that it fouled the cat. Twice. Enough for me to cut bait with that car, and it was immaculate and extraordinarily maintained over that time. Now the Outback isn't even available with a stick (as mine was), and I'll not be back because of this ONE option that's no longer available. Pity, as it was otherwise a great car.
Excellent point on the lack of manual option. It's this reason why nearly four years ago I bought a clapped out 09' outback with a 5 speed. I'm maybe the the third of fourth owner and I've had just about everything under the hood done to it, head gaskets,timing belt,water pump, drive shafts, viscous coupling and more. I like driving stick and this car has just enough ground clearance and the ability to two my 14 ft. aluminum boat to a tidal boat landing. I use for work to go clamming and I even load it up with firewood. I treat the car like a Tacoma! Unfortunately she does burn oil, about 1 and half quarts every 3k miles between oil changes and that's using conventional oil. Doesn't make a ton of power but it's a fun practical car to drive that can be lightly offroaded and never gets stuck. I hate the fact that it will eventually have to be replaced with something that has a auto transmission. Just pathetic but I guess that's the way society is heading.
The time lost in the VB is entirely in 1st gear, 0-20mph-ish, because you can't get boost in first gear anymore to protect the clutch. Older WRX's (before the VA was retuned in...2019?) limited boost in first gear, but would still give you around 10psi. If you look at the instrumented testing C&D did, the 5-60 time beats any other WRX and is closer to the GR Corolla than the power/weight would indicate. No matter how hard I accelerate from a standstill, I've never seen the VB leave vacuum in first gear. Then it will give me almost 13psi in 2nd and 3rd before limiting it to around 10psi in 4th.
I got 5.3 with a hard launch after I broke it in (1000 miles). So much smoother than the previous gen throughout the range. I also average 27 in mixed driving. I'm happy with it, and I've had 2 previous gens. It's more grown up as I've grown up.
I got a grey 2022 wrx last week. Grey does match up with the cladding color. I LOVE this car. I did get CVT after driving a 5 speed Forester for 10 years… Lots of tech with CTV. SO fun to drive. Suspension is a bit harsh. My only criticism but I can live with that. Base model info screen is fine. idrive/sport/sport# feature works. The body of the car shifts sideways when you fire it up. It growls. It goes. What’s not to love?
Happy to report that the suspension will loosen up enough after break in. I’m 1700 miles into my black premium and I’m just infatuated. It’s a shame people will write this car off for stats on paper and pretending every wrx has been a work of art. This reaction happens every single generation. I threw 20mm spacers on the stock 18’s, vortex generator and the black performance grill. After getting it back from ceramic coat, I think those mods did wonders for the aesthetic. While Plastic might not have been the way to go, I appreciate the contrast and function over painted fenders where most of the abuse kicks up against anyways,
Haters gonna hate. That being said, this is more a lateral move from the previous generation WRX. It's also a much nicer car to drive and the throttle mapping is more user-friendly. We sold through our first available batch in less than a week.
Yeah they kept the analog gauges because Subaru is too lazy to evolve this car into something amazing. Too lazy to paint the trim pieces, don’t give me that off-road bs excuse either. They’re too lazy to make significant changes to their engine, 3hp increase, exact same torque, outdated interior, seats have carryover GR/GV WRX font stitched on headrests, shifter is the exact same. Goes to 0-60 at about the same or slightly slower than the last. Price went up, highest trim is 40k+ and CVT only. Worse MPGs now down to 19 city and premium only requirement. Wheels are horrendous as is the stock ride height. There’s more but it’s just a long list of why this car sucks ass and that’s coming from someone who’s owned 3 wrxs and one last gen STi.
Yep and how exactly can this be a great review at only 6 min. long?...all these posters on here gushing over John Davis reviewing their favorite car and just skimming over the details...I don't get it. This car review is lacking a lot.
As a WRX owner, what a major disappointment! 6,000 rpm redline is a joke. A 6.1 sec to 60 mph, that's barely better than a Civic si. With the crappy styling, you would think the boosted 4cyl would be weapons grade. It is frightening that Japanese manufacturers are so behind the Germans' on performance.
They're behind everyone right now. Americans and Koreans are leading the charge on affordable, yet amazing cars. The Europeans are still owning the premium market. Japanese car brands just seem to be shitting the bed lately imo. The new z is cool, but even that apparently has somewhat disappointing performance numbers.
As someone who JUST sold his beloved 2007 Subaru Forester XT Sports Turbo 5 speed, let me just say that Subaru is QUICKLY going backwards. My nephew bought a 2021 WRX and he's the type of guy who literally checks tire pressures like every other day... He's a maintenance nut. Imagine his surprise when within 10,000 miles the turbo had seized along with the engine requiring a whole new block. Was he drag racing it or driving like an idiot?? Nope, he was just driving to work. Granted the ride and build quality on the newer Subarus is outstanding but their mechanical stuff is just garbage. Sad.
One error. The SPT is their new CVT which they're doing everything they can to avoid calling a CVT. Though I have heard good things.. It's still a CVT.
This is a very complementary review…as usual with MotorWeek. I’m on my 3rd WRX, currently a 2021 Limited, and IMO Subaru missed an opportunity to upgrade this current generation. Maybe just maybe we’ll see some more tweaks for 23-24…hopefully so.
@@JDMHaze This thing eats the VAs easily. I just upgraded from my 2019 WRX to this, also have multiple others in my other garages. So last night I raced a 2021 STi and we were bumper to bumper until about 110mph, after that I started to walk away because of better aero I assume. This morning on the way to work I raced a 2018 VA WRX and walked away right away. Hands down, stock for stock this is the best performing WRX ever made. But yea, it's ugly and I love that haha
@@JDMHaze This thing eats the VAs easily. I just upgraded from my 2019 WRX to this, also have multiple others in my other garages. So last night I raced a 2021 STi and we were bumper to bumper until about 110mph, after that I started to walk away because of better aero I assume. This morning on the way to work I raced a 2018 VA WRX and walked away right away. Hands down, stock for stock this is the best performing WRX ever made. But yea, it's ugly and I love that haha
This car is a joke. So many better cars for the money. 1. Not a reliable car for making horsepower 2. Horrible HP numbers (makes less than a V6 mustang that came out 11 years ago.) 3. Expensive to modify (a must if you don’t want to get mopped by a V6 camaro)
People don't know or have forgotten what the orginal GC8, or even the GDA platform for that matter, were all about. They were small, simple, characterful sporty cars. They had long travel suspension, a fruity exhaust note and gobs of personality. The head gasket issues asside, they were rock solid reliable as long as you didn't push the boost too much. They weren't the fastest but could attack a rough bumpy road and be glued to the surface regardless of what was thrown at them. In Rally form, these same vehicles could allow a transmission removal in 12 minutes! They were designed to be punished and take abuse. I enjoyed modifying my wrx over a span of 15 years and still have it. I enjoy driving it still, especially now as cars are so boring. But people like me cannot support an entire product line and subsequent models were slowly gutted of what made them special imo.
Oh, how times have changed. Motorweek 30 years ago; test driver is clean shaven, in slacks, button up shirt that's tucked in, and a cardigan. 2:14 2022 Motorweek; test driver wearing loose jeans, a loose hoodie, a ball cap, hasn't shaved for a week, and might be confused for the missing link.
Its GROSSLEY over price and If you get a Honda Civic Type R or SI it may not get a AWD but its cheaper! A VW GTI (Rabbit or Polo or Golf Style) is few thousands of dollar less on the Honda and Subaru! Hyundai brands is ok! Not everyone love stick shift! I like Auto byfar!
you can look up the retro motorweek review of the 2002 wrx. this one is slower to 60 and the quartermile, but has a higher trap speed. LOL, this is why i bought a golf r, 20 years and almost zero advancement, the interior isnt even nice to make up for the stagnant performance numbers.
So they redesigned the car with a bigger engine and more power yet it is slower than last generation or even my WRX from 2004, they make it unattractive especially with the rear tail lights they stole from previous generation Honda Civic and it is more expensive. Yet when it does not sell they say people just don't want to drive manual transmissions anymore. What a disappointment. Great video as always thanks for the great work.
5.4 to 5.6 secs 0 to 60 in my 300lb lighter 22 base model with those amazing dunlop sport maxx 600a tires. Half the boost psi than the outgoing? You choices for 30k. Dodge rt, civic si or this. You choose
You'd almost have to get this car in a dark color so the plastic cladding doesn't stand out so much. This doesn't really look like a "rally" car.. more or less a confused civic.
I get what you are saying: I have an older Legacy sedan (and I love it). This looks like a 'sporterized' version of that. (So, I would probably buy one.) I would need the automatic transmission because my legs have proven to be too short to operate the clutch for every iteration of this model.
@@sleeksilver with the car market moving towards electric, I’m willing to bet Acura will only make one other Integra trim. With the Civic using Type R I doubt Acura will use that. We will most likely see a Type S which will have similar numbers but be a slightly softer Civic Type R. Also I think I speak for everyone when I say Acura should have made the Integra a coupe.
@@cavaseno if they made a coupe they would have sold about a dozen. I'm saying that as someone who bought a Integra new in 1999. No one wants coupes anymore unfortunately.
@@Turbolious - And those screens will then play ads when you're at a stop light, unless you stump up $19.99 per month for the Subaru "Premium ad-free Experience..."
@@Turbolious that's awesome! I'm a little nervous to do that without a tune. My Mazda speed was turbo back exhaust catless, top mount, purple drank tuned for e30. I'm just enjoying the ride for now I might do a couple mods on the future.
@@DylanCarGuy yep. I drive these solely for the AWD. I live in northern Canada where there is 3 feet of snow, couldnt care less about a 0-60 in a straight line. People are naming a bunch of vehicles that are supposedly “faster” than this, but none of those cars would make it out of my driveway in the winter.😂
I would imagine in the summer heat it would be more consistent if anything. I know my old Fiesta ST would feel a bit sappy if 87 was running on a hot day (for the 2 tanks of 87 it ever ran).
@@turbojetpowered8299 Yep.. Totally understand. But car manufacturers(ECU Programming) today are so advanced(No pun intended) that Timing compensates for detonation. It's the same saga as the Toyota 4runner/Lexus GX 87/91 octane "Requirements." We've dealt with for years.. Or GX460/Tundra Saga. And yes, I also understand the Elevation/Detonation issues
@@turbojetpowered8299 Yeah Tuning and warranty do not mix lol The cool thing about one of my Audi vehicles is that I can run E85 from the factory without any aftermarket hardware, or hardware for that matter. Now the way the EPA is getting at Tuners such as Cobb, etc.. Everyone is trying to jump ship.. Or revert their cars to stock.. But, we'll see what the future holds.. Yes, I have a dozen or so Subaru, Mitsubishi, Audi, Lexus, Toyota, BMW.. (I'm in my 50s) So I've been around the tuning world as well. To where people joke about being okay if you install an Hot Air intake on an Audi/German vehicle but It's LIGHTS OUT, if you do it to an FI Subaru lol
Subaru is incapable of creating an attractive vehicle all on their own, this thing looks terrible just like the rest of their lineup. The WRX used to be something, now it's just expensive and underwhelming.
This is slightly disappointing. My 22 Outback XT Limited does 0-60 in 5.8 and I average 26 mpg, easily over 30 on the highway, it takes regular 87 octane gas, and it’s the same price. 🤷🏻♂️🙈
Anything fun to drive usually has poor mpg so I won't harp on them for that. Especially since this will still get better milage than my 2016 STI. I think the problem here is that it isn't keeping up with the power gains of the average road car over the last 20 years, and with no STI version this time around, modifying the car is the only way to break into the 300 horsepower range. A spot where pretty much every modern sports car should be.
You have one? I believe a comment like that would only come from someone who owns a Subaru, not by just watching a video and commenting on things they don’t know
Good review disappointing car as Subaru clearly held back what could have been a great last generation. I noticed you guys got the color that hides the the plastic the best.
@@martinr8278 most of my cars have been Subarus and I’ve had two WRXs, I’ve also gone to Subaru events such as Boxerfest multiple times and I love Subarus. I think I qualify as a true enthusiast even if not everyone agrees with my opinion. 😊
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This man is a living legend!
Little compare if any
The voice of my childhood!!!
He’s a robot.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽YEESSSSS!!!!!
He is such a lovely guy! 💖
this man is like Attenborough for cars, has been following him since MW's old reviews, and he hasn't really changed at all!
And still pitch perfect. No lose of bravado in his tone as usually comes with age.
How did Subaru get the 22 BRZ so right and the 22 WRX so wrong? I'm guessing Toyota had a big hand in making sure the BRZ/GR86 was good.
Because it was mostly Toyota. They called on Suburu for the engine, because flat engines sit nice and low, and the rest is history. Ordered a 23' BRZ myself.
@@mikea5205 at msrp?
@@nvkulk - yup
nothing wrong with this FOOL
@@allentoyokawa9068 To each their own I guess. But it's not exactly a secret that many people feel this car is a let down.
My 2021 Subaru Legacy Touring XT with the 2.4 turbo (260 HP, 277 lb feet of torque) and a CVT does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds too. Nothing about it is performance tuned.
and with a couple mods it'll handle just as good in the turns too!
Your engine can also handle mods to the tube of just over 500hp.
@@1977xc 5.7 most likely with a .3 rollout I don’t believe motor week uses rollout where almost all the magazines do.
Yup my 22 Outback xt does it in 5.8 and I average 26, get over 30 on the highway. 🤷🏻♂️🙈
@@davetravels9273 Seriously. The 2023 Legacy Sport now comes with the 2.4 turbo standard plus a sport tuned suspension.
the 80s-90s videography and vibe is such a mind-fawk. Its like the 2022 WRX came out in 1991
Haha good point, Motorweek is an old school car review and at 6 min. not very comprehensive.
@@ouch74 It tells me what I want to know: wot'll she do! I don't care for UA-cam influencers talking about a stereo for 6 minutes!
I never thought in my lifetime that a stock WRX would have worse stats than a stock Miata, but here we are.
Worse than the 2002 WRX too I think...
@@cgreenfield6655 Not sure about the stats on those but I suspect you're right. A 2009 WRX would absolutely spank this new one, I think those did 0-60 in the high 4s. Strange marketing choice to axe the STI and give us a watered down WRX.
@@svenskfox if not then the 2002 is close enough to make the new one look weak
For what it’s worth, Motor Trend got 5.6 sec for 0-60, and I’ve seen estimates as low as 4.7 sec
They are going for effortless power and while nice--is not enough for an enthusiast.I just had a Mazda CX-30 turbo and just traded it in for a Kona N.But this should have been fster considering it is now a solid 40k plus car--its in stinger GT money for that price.
I am so happy to have gotten to see john Davis review my new wrx!!! I agree with everything he said. He really hit it on the nail here!!!
The thing everyone is missing on the 0-60 time is that you have to shift to third to get to 60. This is a faster real world car.
Many cars require a shift to 3rd before 60. MW doesn’t typically subject their test cars to a 6,000 rpm clutch drop like Car and Driver (that’s why I love them lol). 6.1 sec is more indicative of a 5-60 street start. Grenade the clutch and a 4.8-5.3 is probably possible on your way to the dealership to replace the clutch.
Like a Civic Si. The fuel cut off for 2nd gear is right before 60 MPH.
1/4 mile seems pretty mediocre for a new performance car.
That might be true - but how does one get over this probably the ugliest most confusing styling wrx has ever had?
@@CellarDoorCS they said the same thing about the bug eyed gen too so…
I remember in 2004, John Davis and the motorweek team lamented the lack of a radio in the 2004 subaru wrx. now in 2022, they have a giant tablet that is an even worse infotainment because it lacks physical buttons for all hvac and media controls.
I like the earlier WRXs and STIs from the days when the EVO was it’s main rivalry. Subaru is slowly killing this thing off just like Mitsubishi did with EVO and Ford did with the 350hp Focus RS.
I just bought one, also have 2 bugeyes and a 2011 STi hatch. This brand new one wipes the floor of the others easily. It's so much better in real world use, sure it's ugly but hey it's a Subaru lol
Someone: Gee, an awd camry would be nice.
Subaru in 2022: Done!
That's what the old impreza cars were
I quite like my 22 WRX.
@@trapt29 Just don't wave or give a peace sign to the other years of WRX drivers.
@@trapt29 Same here. Everyone crapping on it is unlikely to actually have one. It's a blast to drive and she gets right up and goes in inclement weather!
@@MonacellaGuitarProductions it is a blast to drive for sure. On the new global platform it’s mor refined and adult like. I love my ceramic white and the contrast with the black accents.
I like the fact that all his car reviews have always been simple even to this day.
I think I’m buying one tomorrow ice silver gr premium used warranty only 6,000 miles
I work at a Suby dealer. Almost all of the employees, including myself, believe this car is a failure.
Definitely not an evolutionary step.
It's a big miss. Do you have any "insider hunches" what went wrong with its development?
@@thrillhouse8787 I somewhat do. In our training materials, they are really getting us ready for electric. They put the minimal effort required into the new WRX, so they can focus on the new Solterra and the electric STI.
@@calvin- Thanks for this - that's more or less been my hunch. Minimal R&D funnelled into next/last generation of a very old school ICE car, funds diverted elsewhere for electric.
It's a shame, but not unexpected. Hyundai (and to a somewhat lesser extent, Toyota) seem like the only two companies really pumping cash into cool ICE performance cars in these final days (brand building for the N and GR divisions, I suppose).
Hopefully that electric STI brings something interesting to the table... but not holding my breath.
What Subaru dealership do you work at?
@@martinr8278 I doubt he would want to disclose that online when he just criticized the new wrx. We all know how fanatical some subie fans can be. Don't want them trying to do something stupid like trying to track this guy down and harass him. I doubt they would, but you never know these days.
On paper, no faster than my 20 year old bugeye....
And not close to as good looking as the bug eye
I saw one driving a few weeks ago, thought it looked better in person then on video.
Keep the bugeye. It will be worth more than this pos
trust me they did not get much better after the bug guy, maybe the blobeye was the last good one
I own both, this thing makes my stock bugeye look like it's standing still when racing it. So far I've ran a 12.97 with just 5 gallons of E85 no tune.
Reality: No transmission is loathed more by enthusiasts than a CVT.
Subaru USA: The community has spoken and we deliver. The range topping WRX geared towards enthusiasts is available exclusively with a CVT and has an MSRP of $10-12K above Base and Premium models.
Few people on the internet do not speak for the majority of us Subaru owners. I've owned 8 Subarus with the CVT. Currently the 22 outback wilderness. I've put hundreds of thousands of miles on that transmission without fail. It's the best in the business. It's the future of auto.
@@teabag3854 I've had NO ISSUES with mine, with shifts being suitably crisp for highway traffic situations. HOWEVER, I'm thinking that the 'future of auto' transmissions may be dimmed by direct drive electric motors.
@@teabag3854 99% of folks that complain about the CVT have never driven a vehicle with one, let alone owned one.
@@jamesellsworth9673 "shifts"? What gears are they shifting, smh.
@@teabag3854 Subarus cvts are better than Nissans for sure, but not as good as Ford or Toyota cvts from a longevity standpoint.
Can't believe to see him review the 2022 WRX. I remember his 2002 review, which sold me.
so glad a car still offers stick shift -- this may be on my short list for next car
As long as people keep buying them they will keep making them.
@@eric2996 Some people like being slow.
Automatic wins races manual wins chicks.
I fucking love this guy!!! Been watching for decades
This show started same time as I landed in the state 1981.gotta love John Davis
Dump the clutch on 1st and keep it on 2nd. Don't go to 3rd it slow you down by .3 second. Doing this will average your 0-60 to 5.4 seconds or less.
...but you still need to launch the car like you hate it and beat the living daylights out of it from there...heritage is one thing, but continuing (wrc glory) heritage is something else. The new car has potential, but you have to work really hard, almost too hard, to get its heritage performance. This road car is far from a rally car, very far.
The car won't do 60mph in 2nd gear.
Expected better acceleration with 271 hp and all wheel drive….6.1 is quick but no longer considered fast in this age.
Not hard to get 5.4 in my base
You can probably get the 0-60 in 5 seconds if you launched it at redline and quick shifted to 2nd. Your clutch wouldn’t be very happy though
Only thing i can think is there will be a performance variant (I know they aren't bringing an STI out) because otherwise, at this point, 14.6 quarter mile is slower than even the new BRZ/GR86, the once might WRX is now just a quick Impreza. I am sure the 2.4 is a better upgrade to the inconsistent 2.0, but jeez, as a previous owner of a 2005 STI and a 2018 WRX, ive no interest in this new WRX.
Still baffled why Subaru chose to not bring an STi version of this car to the market. Especially when Gazoo Racing and Nismo look likely to have a big year or two ahead of them. Perhaps with a lot of wishful thinking they will bring an STi BRZ to the US market to help fill the void.
Probably because of emissions standards. They had one in the works then canceled it.
They dont sell, Americans cant drive stick.
@@kingchakazulu7762 That's not the reason, the regular WRX is sold with an auto and it only accounts for 20% of sales.
@@therealsnow Don't care, Subaru is trash.
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unbelievable! Just test drove one and I couldn't believe if felt slower than my wrong wheel drive stock mk7 GTI! I am no joking! Look for the tets drive. Few good positives! No body roll, near zero turbo lag and a actual very quiet cabin. That's about it and that mpg doesn't make it any better. Subaru just killed it!
I’m not surprised it felt slower than a GTI. The EA888 motor makes effortless power everywhere. The Subaru FA24F makes more power 271 hp vs 210/220 hp but feels lethargic and flat (no pun intended lol)
Was it an automatic or manual? A CVT definitely won't match up to a DCT in performance.
That's because is is slower. Vw severely understeer their hp number's
Looks well but in today’s market it doesn’t stand a chance, you can get a Toyota Yaris 1.6 (3 cylinder) with 260 bhp plus most two litre hot hatches come standard with 300 bhp - it’s a shame but too little too late !
I waited 3 years for the new sti to come out and when they announced no sti would be produced i went out and bought a gtr. Too bad Subaru didn’t keep its word on making them.
Sold my GTr after 5 months. Most boring ride ever!
Evo with dual clutch was so much ahead of its time.
Had an Outback for over 11 years, powered by the EJ25 engine. The only gripe I had with that car was the oil consumption got to be so bad that it fouled the cat. Twice. Enough for me to cut bait with that car, and it was immaculate and extraordinarily maintained over that time.
Now the Outback isn't even available with a stick (as mine was), and I'll not be back because of this ONE option that's no longer available. Pity, as it was otherwise a great car.
Excellent point on the lack of manual option. It's this reason why nearly four years ago I bought a clapped out 09' outback with a 5 speed. I'm maybe the the third of fourth owner and I've had just about everything under the hood done to it, head gaskets,timing belt,water pump, drive shafts, viscous coupling and more. I like driving stick and this car has just enough ground clearance and the ability to two my 14 ft. aluminum boat to a tidal boat landing. I use for work to go clamming and I even load it up with firewood. I treat the car like a Tacoma! Unfortunately she does burn oil, about 1 and half quarts every 3k miles between oil changes and that's using conventional oil. Doesn't make a ton of power but it's a fun practical car to drive that can be lightly offroaded and never gets stuck. I hate the fact that it will eventually have to be replaced with something that has a auto transmission. Just pathetic but I guess that's the way society is heading.
Sorry, "great car"?? Obviously, NOT a great car if the oil consumption was so bad that you had to replace two cats. How about marginally OK?? haha
Is there some benefit gained by losing a half second on the 0-60 time?
Yes it's a benefit for every car salesman with Subaru wrx competitors on their lot lol
@@JDMHaze Haha I'm laughing but it really is true!
The time lost in the VB is entirely in 1st gear, 0-20mph-ish, because you can't get boost in first gear anymore to protect the clutch. Older WRX's (before the VA was retuned in...2019?) limited boost in first gear, but would still give you around 10psi. If you look at the instrumented testing C&D did, the 5-60 time beats any other WRX and is closer to the GR Corolla than the power/weight would indicate. No matter how hard I accelerate from a standstill, I've never seen the VB leave vacuum in first gear. Then it will give me almost 13psi in 2nd and 3rd before limiting it to around 10psi in 4th.
Better times can be had with a better driver
What’s 0-60 with the automatic? Prob half second quicker.
With the CVT it's heavier. Probably a half second slower. Wish someone would test a wrx cvt to get actual 0 to 60 times.
How’s a sedan getting the same mpg as a full sized truck
i just placed an order for a premium in white. Its suppose to arrive late July 2022
98mph is decent but 14.6s ET means this thing launches poorly for an AWD vehicle.
Heck yeah. 0-60 in 6.1 seconds is ridiculous.
@@cdbig9er people who own the car say its faster. im imagining this is a driver issue for MT
@@bobbyjames8323 yes it is a bit faster but compared to other new cars out there like the Elantra N AND OTHERS IT IS SLOW
I got 5.3 with a hard launch after I broke it in (1000 miles). So much smoother than the previous gen throughout the range. I also average 27 in mixed driving. I'm happy with it, and I've had 2 previous gens. It's more grown up as I've grown up.
I got a grey 2022 wrx last week. Grey does match up with the cladding color. I LOVE this car. I did get CVT after driving a 5 speed Forester for 10 years… Lots of tech with CTV. SO fun to drive. Suspension is a bit harsh. My only criticism but I can live with that. Base model info screen is fine. idrive/sport/sport# feature works. The body of the car shifts sideways when you fire it up. It growls. It goes. What’s not to love?
Happy to report that the suspension will loosen up enough after break in. I’m 1700 miles into my black premium and I’m just infatuated. It’s a shame people will write this car off for stats on paper and pretending every wrx has been a work of art. This reaction happens every single generation. I threw 20mm spacers on the stock 18’s, vortex generator and the black performance grill. After getting it back from ceramic coat, I think those mods did wonders for the aesthetic. While Plastic might not have been the way to go, I appreciate the contrast and function over painted fenders where most of the abuse kicks up against anyways,
Haters gonna hate. That being said, this is more a lateral move from the previous generation WRX. It's also a much nicer car to drive and the throttle mapping is more user-friendly. We sold through our first available batch in less than a week.
I loved my 2004 Impreza and bought hia 2020 WRX. There are a few two many extra gadgets, but I love my new Subaru. I named her, Grey Bear.
WOW the Outback Wilderness is quicker from 0-60 at 5.8 sec and 1/4 with a CVT and less hp. This WRX has so much potential with a good ECU tune.
Motorweek test of 2002 Wrx had it go 14.3 @ 95 in the 1/4 mile. The 2022 was 14.6 @98. 20 years and this is what we get?
It has a limited amount of power but for that kind of power it's definitely quick and the CVT makes it quicker.
Love they kept analog gauges. This is still an amazing car
It's an amazing car, but not a very good WRX, it seems a little water down it's like comparing the American VW Passat to the European VW Passat
@@JDMHaze What about it is worse then previous years other then the appearance?
@@8JFJK8 performance and they say there is no STI
@@JDMHaze What about its performance is worse? Dont talk about the CVT because ive never met a wrx owner who drives auto.
Yeah they kept the analog gauges because Subaru is too lazy to evolve this car into something amazing. Too lazy to paint the trim pieces, don’t give me that off-road bs excuse either. They’re too lazy to make significant changes to their engine, 3hp increase, exact same torque, outdated interior, seats have carryover GR/GV WRX font stitched on headrests, shifter is the exact same. Goes to 0-60 at about the same or slightly slower than the last. Price went up, highest trim is 40k+ and CVT only. Worse MPGs now down to 19 city and premium only requirement. Wheels are horrendous as is the stock ride height. There’s more but it’s just a long list of why this car sucks ass and that’s coming from someone who’s owned 3 wrxs and one last gen STi.
should have some measure of performance thru the handling course
Yep and how exactly can this be a great review at only 6 min. long?...all these posters on here gushing over John Davis reviewing their favorite car and just skimming over the details...I don't get it. This car review is lacking a lot.
People are hating on the new 2022 WRX now and in the not to distant future they will be having second thoughts.
Best color for it. Hides the plastic some
1:34 that paint job is terrible, when did car companies stop caring about the paint? That’s some serious orange peel 🤢
This car used to look great. Now it’s a pissed off corolla
The corolla definitely looks more pissed off than this. And quite a bit different now too, more distinctive than this I would say.
@@turbojetpowered8299 GR is 40k for thr
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@@growingup4487 They haven't announced pricing, so that is speculation
Front the rear, the shape of the roof gives me Toyota echo vibes. Maybe it's just me.
the new wrx looks really good in my opinion, its too bad they got rid of the sti
As a WRX owner, what a major disappointment! 6,000 rpm redline is a joke. A 6.1 sec to 60 mph, that's barely better than a Civic si. With the crappy styling, you would think the boosted 4cyl would be weapons grade. It is frightening that Japanese manufacturers are so behind the Germans' on performance.
They're behind everyone right now. Americans and Koreans are leading the charge on affordable, yet amazing cars. The Europeans are still owning the premium market. Japanese car brands just seem to be shitting the bed lately imo. The new z is cool, but even that apparently has somewhat disappointing performance numbers.
John Davis still doing the damn thing!
As someone who JUST sold his beloved 2007 Subaru Forester XT Sports Turbo 5 speed, let me just say that Subaru is QUICKLY going backwards. My nephew bought a 2021 WRX and he's the type of guy who literally checks tire pressures like every other day... He's a maintenance nut. Imagine his surprise when within 10,000 miles the turbo had seized along with the engine requiring a whole new block. Was he drag racing it or driving like an idiot?? Nope, he was just driving to work.
Granted the ride and build quality on the newer Subarus is outstanding but their mechanical stuff is just garbage. Sad.
John Davis is the man!
One error. The SPT is their new CVT which they're doing everything they can to avoid calling a CVT. Though I have heard good things.. It's still a CVT.
This is a very complementary review…as usual with MotorWeek. I’m on my 3rd WRX, currently a 2021 Limited, and IMO Subaru missed an opportunity to upgrade this current generation. Maybe just maybe we’ll see some more tweaks for 23-24…hopefully so.
Keep your 2021, this car is not worth the upgrade by far
@@JDMHaze This thing eats the VAs easily. I just upgraded from my 2019 WRX to this, also have multiple others in my other garages.
So last night I raced a 2021 STi and we were bumper to bumper until about 110mph, after that I started to walk away because of better aero I assume. This morning on the way to work I raced a 2018 VA WRX and walked away right away.
Hands down, stock for stock this is the best performing WRX ever made. But yea, it's ugly and I love that haha
@@JDMHaze This thing eats the VAs easily. I just upgraded from my 2019 WRX to this, also have multiple others in my other garages.
So last night I raced a 2021 STi and we were bumper to bumper until about 110mph, after that I started to walk away because of better aero I assume. This morning on the way to work I raced a 2018 VA WRX and walked away right away.
Hands down, stock for stock this is the best performing WRX ever made. But yea, it's ugly and I love that haha
@@Turbolious You sound dangerous. Track your car buddy!
Must be a fun job, testing cars on the track.
This car is a joke. So many better cars for the money.
1. Not a reliable car for making horsepower
2. Horrible HP numbers (makes less than a V6 mustang that came out 11 years ago.)
3. Expensive to modify (a must if you don’t want to get mopped by a V6 camaro)
People don't know or have forgotten what the orginal GC8, or even the GDA platform for that matter, were all about. They were small, simple, characterful sporty cars. They had long travel suspension, a fruity exhaust note and gobs of personality. The head gasket issues asside, they were rock solid reliable as long as you didn't push the boost too much.
They weren't the fastest but could attack a rough bumpy road and be glued to the surface regardless of what was thrown at them. In Rally form, these same vehicles could allow a transmission removal in 12 minutes! They were designed to be punished and take abuse.
I enjoyed modifying my wrx over a span of 15 years and still have it. I enjoy driving it still, especially now as cars are so boring. But people like me cannot support an entire product line and subsequent models were slowly gutted of what made them special imo.
Why would I be interested in what a 75 year old thinks of a WRX? o_O
I wish you guys would rev and dump the clutch.
Oh, how times have changed. Motorweek 30 years ago; test driver is clean shaven, in slacks, button up shirt that's tucked in, and a cardigan.
2:14 2022 Motorweek; test driver wearing loose jeans, a loose hoodie, a ball cap, hasn't shaved for a week, and might be confused for the missing link.
Crazy that a 650 hp vette csn get better fuel mileage way better
Its GROSSLEY over price and If you get a Honda Civic Type R or SI it may not get a AWD but its cheaper! A VW GTI (Rabbit or Polo or Golf Style) is few thousands of dollar less on the Honda and Subaru! Hyundai brands is ok! Not everyone love stick shift! I like Auto byfar!
you can look up the retro motorweek review of the 2002 wrx. this one is slower to 60 and the quartermile, but has a higher trap speed. LOL, this is why i bought a golf r, 20 years and almost zero advancement, the interior isnt even nice to make up for the stagnant performance numbers.
Golf R is another 25% the cost.
@@ralphmcgradyjr.9038 sti has the same interior and the same performance numbers for 18 years. Let alone...the sti doesnt exist anymore.
So they redesigned the car with a bigger engine and more power yet it is slower than last generation or even my WRX from 2004, they make it unattractive especially with the rear tail lights they stole from previous generation Honda Civic and it is more expensive. Yet when it does not sell they say people just don't want to drive manual transmissions anymore. What a disappointment. Great video as always thanks for the great work.
I love this car, and this guy is the legend!
The little soo-bar-oooo. WOW
Why not use the new 2.5 liter engine that the Crosstrek has and put it inside the WRX with a turbo?
5.4 to 5.6 secs 0 to 60 in my 300lb lighter 22 base model with those amazing dunlop sport maxx 600a tires.
Half the boost psi than the outgoing?
You choices for 30k. Dodge rt, civic si or this. You choose
You'd almost have to get this car in a dark color so the plastic cladding doesn't stand out so much. This doesn't really look like a "rally" car.. more or less a confused civic.
I get what you are saying: I have an older Legacy sedan (and I love it). This looks like a 'sporterized' version of that. (So, I would probably buy one.) I would need the automatic transmission because my legs have proven to be too short to operate the clutch for every iteration of this model.
Awesome thanks motor week
I like that U can still buy a performance sports sedan with a six speed.
I do too I just wish they made it in a wagon version as well or put the six speed in the outback XT.
Car Fans: What was a bigger disappointment (New WRX) (New Integra)
WRX. We haven't even seen the Type S/GS-R or Type R Integra yet.
Wrx
@@sleeksilver with the car market moving towards electric, I’m willing to bet Acura will only make one other Integra trim. With the Civic using Type R I doubt Acura will use that. We will most likely see a Type S which will have similar numbers but be a slightly softer Civic Type R. Also I think I speak for everyone when I say Acura should have made the Integra a coupe.
@@cavaseno if they made a coupe they would have sold about a dozen. I'm saying that as someone who bought a Integra new in 1999. No one wants coupes anymore unfortunately.
@@sleeksilver I 100% disagree. I’d much rather have a GR 86 than either of these.
Amazing style this show
Wish they made these in a hatch as well, not like i could ever afford one but still
This dude has the perfect voice. ❤
That giant dashboard screen... ugh. Damn things need to go away.
Exactly.
those are here to stay, and actually the next step will be turning the whole dashboard into a screen that contours and flows.
@@Turbolious - And those screens will then play ads when you're at a stop light, unless you stump up $19.99 per month for the Subaru "Premium ad-free Experience..."
Yet, everyone ive showed mine to, the display is the showstopper. I wouldnt say its ugly, but its not exactly functional either
There's no need for a tablet in what's supposed to be a sporty car
FA better or worse than EJ??
As a 2021 WRX owner and long-time fan, it pains me to say it but... this car's a dog.
It's faster than a fa fyi driver sucks it runs 13.7 at 102 trap speed
It's not even about power, it's a driver's car. I'm enjoying it more than I did my Mazdaspeed
@@Trappedinnewyork add 5 gallons of E85 and it will run 12.97 like i did with mine as well hehe
@@Turbolious that's awesome! I'm a little nervous to do that without a tune. My Mazda speed was turbo back exhaust catless, top mount, purple drank tuned for e30. I'm just enjoying the ride for now I might do a couple mods on the future.
@@DylanCarGuy yep. I drive these solely for the AWD. I live in northern Canada where there is 3 feet of snow, couldnt care less about a 0-60 in a straight line. People are naming a bunch of vehicles that are supposedly “faster” than this, but none of those cars would make it out of my driveway in the winter.😂
Not sure why you put premium fuel in it, supposedly it did not get more power as it runs on regular.
I would imagine in the summer heat it would be more consistent if anything. I know my old Fiesta ST would feel a bit sappy if 87 was running on a hot day (for the 2 tanks of 87 it ever ran).
@@turbojetpowered8299 Well the interesting thing is; The outback XT and Ascent, not only use this same engine, but also use regular 87 octane.
Exactly as I'm sure you know, the Ascent and Outback XT use the same 2.4L Turbocharged engine on 87 Octane.
@@turbojetpowered8299 Yep.. Totally understand. But car manufacturers(ECU Programming) today are so advanced(No pun intended) that Timing compensates for detonation. It's the same saga as the Toyota 4runner/Lexus GX 87/91 octane "Requirements." We've dealt with for years.. Or GX460/Tundra Saga. And yes, I also understand the Elevation/Detonation issues
@@turbojetpowered8299 Yeah Tuning and warranty do not mix lol The cool thing about one of my Audi vehicles is that I can run E85 from the factory without any aftermarket hardware, or hardware for that matter. Now the way the EPA is getting at Tuners such as Cobb, etc.. Everyone is trying to jump ship.. Or revert their cars to stock.. But, we'll see what the future holds.. Yes, I have a dozen or so Subaru, Mitsubishi, Audi, Lexus, Toyota, BMW.. (I'm in my 50s) So I've been around the tuning world as well. To where people joke about being okay if you install an Hot Air intake on an Audi/German vehicle but It's LIGHTS OUT, if you do it to an FI Subaru lol
I love my 2022 Subaru WRX. Very fun.
John Davis Rocks 🇺🇲💪
Subaru is incapable of creating an attractive vehicle all on their own, this thing looks terrible just like the rest of their lineup. The WRX used to be something, now it's just expensive and underwhelming.
They've never looked good
But if you own one, you love it
Reminds me of the Civic Type R. Something a modern Batman would drive, lots of cheap plastic.
they've always been ugly cars with shit interiors but the acceleration shuts you up
Love it the color everything I’d even get them to take the WRX badge off, then the only cues would be the scoop and the pipes. Mmmmmmm…… lol
@@growingup4487 But the acceleration is on par with something like an Ecoboost maverick lol. Just goes to show how fast the maverick is I guess lol.
This is slightly disappointing. My 22 Outback XT Limited does 0-60 in 5.8 and I average 26 mpg, easily over 30 on the highway, it takes regular 87 octane gas, and it’s the same price. 🤷🏻♂️🙈
Outback 0-60 in 5.8s?!!!! Thats a big lie to say in car guys video
@@samo0golf Hes not lying. My 22 outback wilderness will pull a 5.4 0-60. I have multiple runs to prove it.
@@teabag3854 doubt
@@jordanb3641 Doubt all you want lol.
You seriously run that car without using the premium grade fuel?...I'm no expert but that just doesn't sound recommended.
According to Edmunds, the new WRX is still faster 0-60 than the Elantra N, the GTI, and the Civic Si.....hmmmm.
Everyone has diferent 0-60 on the WRX. Would be nice to have an accurate number
I call bullshit on it being faster than a GTI.
That's because the GTI has always been tested on all season tires, it's FWD.
I thought the Standard Tire was the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx
It is.
@@ralphmcgradyjr.9038 this one had michelins
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Wrong. The new WRX does not share the same platform as the impreza. It is now a completely different body altogether.
Horid back end.
Boring front end
Blah Sideview.
Crappy interior
S$%t mpg
Underwhelming engine
And.....cvt
How far Subaru has fallen
Anything fun to drive usually has poor mpg so I won't harp on them for that. Especially since this will still get better milage than my 2016 STI. I think the problem here is that it isn't keeping up with the power gains of the average road car over the last 20 years, and with no STI version this time around, modifying the car is the only way to break into the 300 horsepower range. A spot where pretty much every modern sports car should be.
You have one? I believe a comment like that would only come from someone who owns a Subaru, not by just watching a video and commenting on things they don’t know
So it's slower and gets worse has mileage? Why would I want one?
"Awesome BRZ sport coupe" , this is why motorweek is below avg. constantly.
Why didn't they just drop the Ascent engine into the WRX?
The straight-line performance seems really off for this car. That's about the same numbers I'm putting down in my 2014 Kia Cadenza.
Good review disappointing car as Subaru clearly held back what could have been a great last generation. I noticed you guys got the color that hides the the plastic the best.
Looks like you might be a bit alone in this comment. The true enthusiast love it, Subaru got it right
@@martinr8278 most of my cars have been Subarus and I’ve had two WRXs, I’ve also gone to Subaru events such as Boxerfest multiple times and I love Subarus. I think I qualify as a true enthusiast even if not everyone agrees with my opinion. 😊
Reminds me of a 2012 civic Si from the back
If only they color matched the flares…..it looks so much better
I like the fenders
Am I tripping or those gr86 tails?
The outback XT matches this in 0-60
The new GTI will walk circles around this. More tech, better looking, sportier exterior and interior, all for the same price
Might as well get a Golf R for a little more and be done (although Mk8 with capacitive buttons is a bummer).
The accord probably do the same
That’s funny, my 2005 4.3L V8 LS430 gets 22 miles per gallon on the street.
New Corolla Gr is definitely gonna out sell the new subie
Very…..very doubtful. But keep hoping
It took 3 months of 2023 for the WRX to outsell the total number of GR Corollas that are being made this year.