Hearing the phone call, that woman's defense fell apart instantly. That kid sounded terrified and like he was fading in and out when she came and emptied that gun in him. Its disgusting how she not only chose to murder her grandson who was still a child but drag his name through the mud with lies to save face and try to avoid punishment. I'm so glad she was convicted. I literally had to fastforward through the parts where she made her case because it made me so angry.
I just wish the 911 operator had told him to flee the house. I was like get out of there!!! Before she comes back!!! But since he’s shot maybe he couldn’t be moved or something. Tragic.
The fact that when she knew he called 911 she proceeded to fake scream and saying let go, though she came back to make sure to finish the job, shows how really evil, calculated and cold hearted she is!! The 911 call was heart breaking as he gasped and then said “she shot me again”
After hearing that phone call, her interview makes me sick. Lying through her teeth to the interviewer, the crocodile tears, the clear pauses where she is making up her answers as she goes along? I am disgusted by the cruelty of this woman. That poor kid was absolutely terrified. He not only called the police begging for help, but he also called his friend for the same reason, in addition to asking his neighbor for help too. A 17 year old child, terrified for his life from the person that should have loved him the most. And I don’t think people realize sometimes how *young* 17 is. He wasn’t even old enough to get a *tattoo.* He couldn’t vote. He couldn’t buy alcohol or open a bank account or rent a car. He wasn’t old enough to get married without parental consent, to buy spray paint, or request his own government documents. He wasn’t even old enough to be part of the jury that presided over his murder trial, or to purchase the weapon that killed him. I don’t care how much she tries to deny it. He was a child. A child that relied on her when his family needed her most, and instead she emptied a magazine into him because of an addiction she should have been getting him treatment for. This was no self-defensive struggle. She was angry at a 17 year old kid and then murdered him in cold blood as a punishment for failing a simple drug test. He was a *child.* There is a special place in hell for people that hurt children, and especially for those that hurt the children that depend on them.
While I agree 100% with most everything you said, the one exception is that he was a child. While not yet a legal adult still not a helpless child. At 17 I had graduated high school, had a full time job, my own apartment and was 100 % self reliant. But other than that you are correct. She is a vile human being.
@@alexisfagan9604I'd say it's because K2 is synthetic pot, which seems to be the tipping point in this case, coupled with the fact that real pot is legal today. This case was 12 years ago, and pot is much more widely accepted now than it was then.
Damn, second degree? Her husband didn’t even know she bought a weapon and went to the range. She even told her husband to take the dog out!this wasn’t self defense or spur of the moment- This was 100% premeditated you cannot convince me otherwise.
I'd say most people, judges and juries included, believe it was premeditated. However, for whatever reason, evidence obtained may not have satisfied legal criteria for 1st degree murder. Sometimes, without such evidence, the next most severe sentences are handed down. Frustrating, but probably done to avoid a lesser conviction being handed to her than the one she received.
Even if it was second degree in the first shooting (it wasn't) then it was most definitely premeditated the second she came back to finish off the job.
If she was in fear for her life, why did she go back to execute him a few minutes after shooting him in the chest? At that point, he's on the phone to 911, dying, and not a threat. The answer is - she wasn't. She wanted to punish him for doing something she felt was bad, and her idea of doing that, is to snuff the life out of a young man who was her own grandson. I hope she lives a long and miserable life in prison.
And if he *wasn't* being violent towards her, that means this is even more of a case of an entitled guardian insisting that the child 100% obey their strict rules. She wanted absolute control, and any attempt from him to be independent was taken personally.
Glad people saw this for what it clearly was and not the Fox news, conservative hysteria about the "poor lil' old lady." People like her think they can get away with anything hiding behind the folksy bullshit. The kid might have been having issues, but she's clearly a psychopath.
*"Im going to die... Help me!"* That really made my heart sink to my toes. Absolutely terrifying to listen too! 😳😭 My condolences to him and his family! ❣️
Hearing that and then knowing she came back for more. It is illegal to fire a warning shot and she fucking went to a "safe place" while he's upstairs dying and pleading with 911 with his life so she could RELOAD and unload the clip into him like she had qualified immunity. I don't agree with murder 2 but she's not seeing the light of day again so. Fair enough.
@@Lookfortruth7 exactly. He had parents. But they gave up on him and pawned him off to literally anyone that would take him. If you watch this video, the grandparents tried to return the child back to the parents but they refused. They don’t want the kid just wanted a payout from the state.
@@NoMoreQQlol you’re being dumb on purpose, if you finished the video… the father did not want him to go and the mother asked for him to come back after the drug trouble, it was the grandmother that insisted he stayed and nothing was wrong. She was lying!!!
@@UsernameUnkwn21and a reasonable response to that is to execute him? You’re arguing not only from speculation (we have only her word, not his, because he’s dead) but also emotion. Not having a go at you - just pointing out that an emotional response based on speculation is unhelpful. His reputation was one of breaking fights up, being a clown and goofing around. He was only small, as well. It’s extremely unlikely that your assertion is correct. So, again: is a reasonable response to someone that argues with you and occasionally acts out to execute them? The only honest answer here is - no. It is not. It is utterly psychotic. Plus… I’m not convinced that he was wrong to resist his grandmother and cuss her out and the rest of it. I mean, she *did* execute him by shooting him, wandering off, and then coming back to finish him off as he bled to death. She isn’t a nice little old lady.
She’s so afraid for her safety that she left him bleeding out, then returned, put herself in harm’s way and proceeded to shoot him again while he’s on the phone with 911 begging for help. 🤔🤨 what she did is murder, plain and simple!
I heard something different. He was in a sitting position when on the phone with 911. I think at some point he managed to get up and maybe make a grab for the gun because she sreams for him to let go and his voice sounds off in the distance...
@@elliesaailem777 you would be the person on the jury that lets a dirty cop go free because they yelled, “Stop resisting,” and shoots the person “accidentally” with their gun instead of their clearly marked taser. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤔🤨🤦🏾♀️
@@NikkiRhodeen I made my comment before I even finished listening and then the narrator confirmed what the grandmother says happend and also I've never heard about this case in my life. Can you then explain why his voice was in the distance? Please explain that part to me.
My dad was like this grandma... because I wouldn't "respect" him, he would make up all sorts of stories about me to make himself out to be the victim. He thought that cannabis was the devil, so that justified violence towards his own son. People, don't abuse your kids... and when they turn to drugs because they were abused, maybe just try treating them like a human being.
I consider myself as being quite desensitized to true crime stories, but this case made me tear up. Johnathan sounds like an amazing kid who struggled, he just needed help. How dared that monster of a woman even say that was self-defense?
Didn't even sound like he was struggling that much. Full ride scholarship to college doesn't happen to a fuck up.... He was just an unlucky bastard who got caught doing what millions of teenagers his age do.
@@mekan0001and for an understandable reason too. His parents had divorced and to make matters worse, his sister is diagnosed with cancer. He was trying to cope, I don’t condone it while underage but I do understand the need of an outlet when you’re depressed. Poor kid. He didn’t deserve this.
Have you seen the video titled "The Mom Who Trampled Her Baby Son To Death" over at Anna Uncovered? I tell you, it was the hardest true crime I have ever watched/listened to. I don't like the loud, obnoxious heathens. They irritate the eff out of me. And I jest about about how much running one over is worth based on age and gender - boys are more annoying, and to be more immature. But the truth is, if a child has been brought into this world at the choice of the mother, then they have every right on earth to be safe, and it breaks my heart to see a young child abused or murdered. It's worse if they die from abuse and/or at the hands of their parents, or their parent's partner.
It’s so sad, when ppl say “I’m gonna die” they usually do. He probably would’ve made it had this psycho b**** not come back to “finish” him off! This is outrageous! Poor kid.
I heard that and when he went silent I literally thought f*ck. And then he was still alive. And we all heard it. Why waste money on a trial when you can put on a screen her oscar worthy performance and then the 911 call. I feel that's it. I understand why we need more but for me? Jail. Because.... he would have made it *maybe* after being shot in the chest. What kind of adrenaline do you need to have going through your system to have that many bullet wounds, sound like you are unconscious and then get dragged back up to earth by your literal grandmother who you are pleading not to kill you.
When your raised by a narcissist you think it's normal. You think "she's tough to get along with but if you follow her rules.." etc etc. You wouldn't usually jump to "she might murder my son". I assume that because he got good grades, and the grandparents always doted on him, that they wouldn't be that harsh. It's tragic
@@sunnydae6602 after he was shot? Yeah nah, sounds like crap to me. IF her husband had SEEN any of that type of behavior, which he did NOT, I could believe her story. I don't she was just wanting to kill him for whatever stupid twisted reason she came up with. I'm sure it had something to do with his parents dumping him on her.
@sunnydae6602 she a great actress. Those were LIES. you didn't hear that she was examined after it all happened and they found ZERO INJURIES ON HER. this was all premeditated. Why did she tell her husband to leave the house? Why did she purchase a gun that was a shoot to kill gun? She wanted him GONE because she simply didn't want to raise him or get HIM THE HELP THAT HE NEEDED.
17 years old. Hearing his life slowly and painfully leave him is so utterly tragic. He didn't deserve to be executed. He had his whole life in front of him, kids do daft things, but they grow up. He needed help. 💔 not to be shot and shot again. Rest in peace 💙
I truly wasn't prepared for how harrowing that phone call was with that poor dying boy. I don't know how emergency dispatchers do what they do, I have so much respect for them (most of them anyway).
Yeah this 911 call was so freaking hard to hear, and thinking about what must’ve been running through his mind as his grandmother did that to him breaks my heart, he was soooo young and didn’t deserve this kind of betrayal at all.
Narcissists are always realistically dangerous, full stop. "Controlling, running a tight ship", this is all just code for abusive. I can easily imagine what she was like as a teacher, these are the kinds of people that should never be allowed to work with people, let alone kids. Such an unbelievably tragic case, poor Jonathan. RIP.
Yep. NPD comorbid with OCPD is a horrible combo. Irrational, myopic, rules obsessed, low empathy, and willing to lie and revise history to protect their ego from accountability.
i'm from family of teachers. 2/3 of them - are narcissistic. i know colleagues fairly well - near all of them the same. it's either angel of a human being or that. none in between
I'm shocked she didn't get convicted of first degree murder. The fact that she went to the basement, reloaded the weapon, came back minutes later, and executed him proves premeditation. She KNEW when she reloaded that she was going to find him and kill him. The poor boy was laying on his bedroom floor, terrified, bleeding out while on the phone with 911, and his grandma came back to shoot him again. I can't even imagine how scared he must've been seeing her walk into his room. My heart breaks for him. This is so sad.
First and second degree murder usually carry the same sentence. First degree is harder to prove; so a lot of the times the prosecution chooses to go for second degree. The ends justify the means.
She seems to be a control freak. If she wanted him gone and he wanted to leave, give him the $2k and buy a plane ticket back to his parents. Makes more sense than killing your grandchild.
My thoughts exactly. She was hell-bent on "fixing" him, trying to mold him into her outdated vision of a proper young adult male. Her assumption of absolute authority based on her teaching experience probably played a role as well. Poor kid. She is loathsome.
This was likely the first time in her life she had access to a gun. I'm sure she used belts or sticks or whatever she had access to the rest of her life prior.
His poor voice fading out on the 911 call broke my f**king heart. Came close to a panic attack. I can't even fathom the cruelty it takes to do something like that to another human being, never mind your own grandson! This was 100% premeditated murder. I'm glad she'll never see daylight again
She told the cops “I just murdered my grandson”… Not that she killed him, she uses the word “murdered”. That right there should be considered an admission of guilt. This woman is the epitome of evil.
I agree, but I'm not sure if they can use that as evidence, because it's before her rights were read to her. I'm not exactly sure how that works though.
@@daviddaddyUtterances and statements made when not in custody are 100% admissible. Only when being interrogated while in custody does Miranda come into play.
I don't agree...she wasn't convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder. That would have been some justice but instead she murdered her sweet, smart grandson who she then slandered. Unforgivable! I don't believe in God but I do hope she goes to hell for what she did.
Maybe they went with 2cd degree as it had the most provable arguments? Athough I agree with everything you say, I'm not convinced it wasn't premeditated vis-a-vis the gun purchase/practice. She's controlling and despicable, and that we can agree on.
@@cdes1776idk, ive seen people charged with first degree for less. the buying the gun and training is one thing, but the physical evidence also shows that he was shot in the back, then shot AGAIN while he was on the ground. Not only does that discredit any self defense claim, but also it took a couple of minutes for her to come back and shoot again. she made the decision to come back and shoot again instead of calling for help or even running from the house. I feel like even if the premeditation wasn't there at the first two shots, it was there for the ones that presumably killed him.
@@registeredjopperyeah but this is a “sweet” grandma and a “bad” kid. When they found about the K2 that removed the chance of first degree. The jury is nothing but people who think if you look sweet and do good you can’t be evil.
Coming back when he was already shot was a little overboard but the truth is young people these days think the world revolves around them and that there are no consequences for breaking the law. Don't do the crime if you cant do the time, I stand by our police and first responders.
This evil woman secretly purchased and trained with a gun because she planned to kill her grandson. I hope she rots in prison for a long time and I hope someone is making her life miserable in there. Good on the grandfather for being honest and exposing her. Poor Jonathan, he just needed someone to love and support him smh. All she wanted was control.
I don't break down weeping/sobbing in these videos... But hearing his 911 call, it shattered my heart to a million pieces... The fear, the pain as he screamed "She shot me again!" I don't care what kind of nightmare teenagers can be... They got the verdict correctly.. she has every opportunity to let him return to his parents but chose not to. She's a vile disgusting human being. I know people like her and it's sad that there aren't more ways to diagnose anti social personalities.... No remorse. No honesty. No warmth. Just a horrible human being. I hope she suffers as much as poor Jonathan did at her hands
While there is a LOT to unpack about the relationship between Sandra and Jonathan, as far as the case itself goes, that chilling 911 call is all you need to know about how this went down. He was laying down, already shot at least once, seemingly incapacitated and she came back and shot him AGAIN. 1st degree murder, plain and simple.
I heard this story multiple times, and it has stuck with me because of how terrible it is. Can you imagine being the parent and finding out your mother shot your grandson? Wtf man. Also him as the grand kid knowing his grandmother is about to murder him. 😢 Terrible.
People want to blame the parents and not the murdering grandma. Well, she raised the supposedly deadbeat parents who "dumped" him on her and her idea of discipline is shooting him... Clearly this kid didn't have a chance with this family.
They never dumped their child on her she took that place and continuously said she got it instead of sending him back his parents. She wanted to break him and couldn't so she shit h
I never knew the homeowners, Fred and Sandra personally, but I lived 4 homes away and after this situation took place, a few neighbors spoke about how nasty and particular she could be especially once you crossed her. Never imagined anything like that could ever take place in that area. Sad story, very sorry for Johnathan.
@@Walczyk It was "absolutely self defense at the beginning". First, you cannot say "absolutely" for obvious reasons. Why do you think she told Grandpa to leave the house and not come back until she called him? That's the one point that goes against her using self defense.
What gets you is that he said to the 911 operator "I'm going to die." This is beyond horrifying, this is too much to listen to, his own grandmother. Shooting him, whilst he's begging for help, laying there helpless. No words can describe how tragic this is.
All over weed and synthetic weed, how ridiculous old people are . They have this weird idea about drugs being evil meanwhile many of them are raging alcoholics or just abusers.
She went to a gun range for shooting lessons? I was tempted to believe that she may have over-reacted to her grandson's behaviour but nah, she planned this whole thing. Bih is guilty as sin
That's why Russia and Iran back off everytime.They know the west has the crazyness to go all the way to nuclear war. I mean if grandmas are self annhilators of their own grandsons....
Jonathan's story is so devastating to say the least. I have never wished for death penalty in anyone more than this sick woman. She doesn't deserve to be called "Grandmother". Grandma's nurture, they love, they protect and she failed him. Even if Jonathan was being violent with her(which is BS), she would have rather given her life for him rather than kill a whole young man ( who still had a life to live) to save her sorry old *ss. This story hit me real hard.
Johnathan was a dear friend to my sons. He was an amazing person, always happy and helpful, wanting the same for everyone around him. RIP Johnathan Hoffman Thank you, BE,for doing his legacy justice by telling the real story.
Thank you. It’s been 11 years, and Johnathan is still (and forever) remembered, fondly. He was unique, a friend to all, and his friends feel fortunate to have known him. ❤
I am so sorry for your son's and your loss - as well as everyone else who was fortunate enough to have met him. ❤ Love and light from Denmark, Scandinavia ❤️
Just hearing that phone call, will stay with me for a long, long time. How horribly sad and disturbing. I’m sitting here feeling sick and angry that his own flesh and blood killed him. I am sorry for your sons. To lose someone (a friend) at such a young age. I pray that your kids are doing ok. This is such a senseless home die….😢😢
“A young man was dumped on her”, that’s her grandson wtf. If she felt that he was dumped on her she could have spoken up and not taken him in. The excuses are disgusting.
@@CharlieBravo887 Are you okay? He said my grandma grandma shot me. He's panicked and SHOT and stumbling over his words. Take a break from true crime. Go outside, talk to real people.
The worst thing about this case is the public automatically assumed he deserved it. His grandmother knew she was a protected class and assumed she would get away with it.
she was so entitled she didn't feel she had to try that hard to get off she made up a not very believable story about the car and the $2000 thinking it would be good enough to get her off as "the poor old lady from the good neighbourhood"
34:44 Her mush-mouthed blubbering filled me with a rage and disgust I didn't know I was capable of. Like most narcissists, she fell to pieces the moment she was held to task by a higher authority she couldn't control. She felt nothing for her own family who she only saw as accessories to make herself look good, but sits there sobbing and feeling sorry for herself.
I’ve listened to lots of cases and a lot of 911 calls, but this 911 call gave me chill bumps up and down my arms. This is absolutely heartbreaking, he loved and trusted his grandma, and so the mix of betrayal and pain is unimaginable 😭, RIP Johnathan.
I have been following true crime since the 60s, have worked ambulance and have gotten not quite jaded but accustomed to what rotten things people can do to one another but hearing this bright kid calling for help and realizing he is going to die is heartbreaking. It didn't happen because of an accident or an illness. It happened because somebody who is supposed to love and protect him is an evil and conniving POS. That poor kid. 😢
As I've gotten older I've realized that a lot of those 'sweet little old ladies' are extreme narcissists. No one tells them no because when they push over boundaries, its in a way that seems caring. A lot of single moms developed this complex as well.
The grandmother’s name is Sandra Maxine Layne, not Sarah. She is still alive and serving her life sentence at Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility (WHV).
The worst 911 call I've heard. Kept hoping he would've survived. Grandma was definitely psychotic, some serious mental issues there, should've been evaluated. If she feared for her life she would've made sure her husband was there, not send him to walk the dog. Why did she prevent him from running away if she feared him?
23:35 This is when she was leaving the courtroom after being convicted of second-degree murder--and *this* is the real Sandra. The look she directed towards her daughter, whose son she had killed, was one of pure evil.
Woah... This one hits close to home. My grandma is also a retired teacher with a mean streak, to put it mildly. Unfortunately, my mom followed in her footsteps (although she would never admit it). To all the parents out there: don't be like my mom, don't be like her mom, and don't be like this b*tch Sandra. *Meet your kids where they're at, love them, and accept them for who they are.* School is not the end-all-be-all. I'm sick of hearing about these cases where a kid failing school or just experimenting with their friends (as nearly every teenager does) is the catalyst for murder. How tf do you skip THAT many steps of potential intervention and go straight to homicide? Especially when they're your family?? Some people, I swear...
Absolutely spot on. *I'M* sick to my GUT of seeing all these depraved, disgusting bastrds harming children, when having a child is the single most wonderful gift I, and many other women, could ever dream of.
She left the room, went to get a gun and WENT BACK to his room, shot him, left the room, went BACK AGAIN to shoot him some more. And she claims she was scared of him?
Shot him, then shot him again, then shot him again? He wasn’t a threat after the first gun shot to the stomach. This woman makes me ill! That call made me cry…just sickening
Seeing how Grandma said she had the gun because "I wanted him to hear me". Same exact words from Betty Broderick who murdered her ex-husband and his new wife in their bedroom in the middle of the night after she had broken in. Crazy!! That poor kid.
@@Littlemissdirtbagthat's what this granny was saying too... she wanted him to hear her saying that he wasn't taking her car or any money!!! I think she was lying about saying that stuff tho... she wanted to scare him straight I believe and she flew off the handle and shot him instead tho
@@Littlemissdirtbagyes BETTY and the Gma Sandra said different words but meant the same thing. Context matters and proves you should probably listen again…
She orders her husband to get out of the house, walk the dog and not to go back until she tells him he can come back. The husband dutifully does EXACTLY as he's told. It's almost like she's conditioned him to obey her every order without question. That alone tells so much about her character, or lack of. That woman has balls !!!
My son is just 20yrs old but is still so baby faced like Jonathan, this breaks my heart so much. R.I.P beautiful Jonathan, you've touched the hearts of so many, you won't be forgotten buddy ❤️ 🕊
The 911 call was intense. Knowing now that Grannie was a narcissist helped me to gain a better understanding of what life must have been like for Jonathan. I guess one shot didn’t quite strike Susan’s fancy. So she returned with a vengeance AND with the purpose of finishing what she started. May you RIP Jonathan.
Even in stand your ground states it is really hard to justify standing your ground if they're shot in the back. But also it doesn't sound like she was a diagnosed narcissist (as in the personality disorder however given the nature of NPD they don't often seek out diagnosis however let's not blame the NPD.) But definitely evil. No question about that.
@@Walczyka lil extreme to charge the 911 operator w/m*rder. But yes! The operator should've asked if it was safe to exit the home, even if that meant out a window. Children should be taught that if danger is in your home, LEAVE! Do not go hide, do not stay! Leave and go to a trusted neighbors home!
@@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206he said he was shot in the chest and he was sitting, and so she obviously told him not to move (especially since he said the person who shot him was not in the house). asking him to move would've aggravated his injuries, plus get his blood pumping faster which would increase the rate at which he loses blood. not only that, but there is always the very real fear that a bullet or fragment couldve touched his spine and trying to walk would aggravate that in such a way that he might be impaired for life. yall make no sense, obviously anyone will tell someone who's been shot to stay in place if the danger has seemingly passed. no one did anything wrong here except for the grandmother.
Even if she was afraid for her life , she is in her 70’s, she lived a full life . She took the life of a 17 year old who had an entire life ahead of him , her grandson , not a stranger , on top of it !
What a horrible way to die. When he was begging for help, hurt and barely able to speak I got a lump in my throat and my stomach was in a knot. To imagine him pleading for his life to his own grandmother is almost too much to comprehend. She is the epitome of evil and I hope when she dies in prison they bury her under it so she never leaves. Rest in Peace Johnathan. The world is a little darker without your beautiful light that made so many people happy. I know you’re in Heaven and you can rest easy knowing you’ll never see her and you’re in a place where you’re safe and will always be protected ❤
i teared up when they said jonathan was just 5’5” and 110 pounds. he was just a kid, a young, young kid with his whole life ahead of him. i can’t imagine the amount of heartbreak his loved ones would feel for losing such a kind person. this one is just so sad. and for his grandmother to drag his name through the mud after she so cruelly took his life, it just makes me sick. i really hope his family can find some semblance of peace some day
@@JadaH9that’s their job. To keep the caller talking and make sure they’re still conscious as well as get as many details as possible. It’s literally part of their training.
@@JadaH9As soon as dispatchers get the address, they're sending someone. They're job is to ask questions so they can rely the information to emergency services so they know what kind of situation they're being sent to.
🥀🕊️My heart is completely 💔 broken listening to that young man begging for help as the life drifts away from his body. That EVIL woman shoots him YET AGAIN, twice!!,😱😭😪😪 UNBELIEVABLE!! GOD, please give Jonathan's parents peace!! 😢👍🏾💔
Did you know that the good dispatchers will not get emotionally involved with the situation they handle? It's called "staying professional". It's actually bad when they show "urgency" because their job is to keep the caller calm. But, for the public, it's all about emotions and so those who fail their job will get praised while the professional ones will get despised. RIP common sense.
Thank God my family didn't treat me that way when I messed up as a kid. Growing up is hard and confusing. Mistakes are always gonna be made. It's natural. He obviously had issues with abandonment too. Just wow. To murder your grandson, then go through with lieing that it was because he was evil is just crazy
Yea but, that's the thing. She wasn't afraid of him. She wanted complete control and when he rightfully so pushed back on her ideas and ways, she came up with a plan. "If I can't control you, I'll end you." the dumb b*tch even PRACTIED at the gun range in preparation. She didn't want to help him. She wanted a prisoner. Probably like her husband.
I think she was just angry that he wouldn't obey her. She is a very evil person. She could have asked the parents to take him back as the parents offered - not shoot him to death due to her anger..
I don't think she was paranoid. I think she wanted to get her own way. When she couldn't force him to conform, she murdered him. Better to murder him than to fail at controlling him.
That 911 call was heart wrenching. As a grandmother of 7, I can't even imagine! This woman is a psychopath. He may have been troubled but did she have to come back into the room and shoot him somemore? I don't see tears coming from this woman as she's testifying. She is absolutely vile. RIP Jonathon
This case is 🥺😩 horrible! I believe the grandmother was super controlling as she told her husband to walk the dog and he can’t return until she tells him to. And he obeyed! It was definitely premeditated. I’m guessing that she has some sort of superiority complex and that when her grandson tested positive for spice, it made her believe that he was being self destructive and that she was also extremely embarrassed that her grandson would ever embarrass her and her family that way! Such an extreme sadness and tragedy!
Agreed! Its more than obvious the evidence shows that this was premeditated! Her actions taken in acquiring the permit and gun, sending her husband out and telling him to stay away. There must have been signs prior to this incident of how intolerable and cruel this woman truly was. I cant imagine what damage she caused to the people around her over the years prior to her murdering her defenceless grandson.
Ugh she reminds me of some controlling teachers I had in school. In school nothing you could do against the teacher especially if you were the quiet type. Those teachers were always bitter and angry. It’s lien wtf were you a teacher if you catch a student day dreaming? That ain’t a crime!!
This evil witch slandered her own dead grandson, you don’t murder people because they have issues, let ALONE your GRANDSON. She is foul and whatever life she had left is tainted forever.
The grandpa seemed like he had been dealing with Sandra's narcissism for decades, and was done with her dishonesty. Good for him, for standing up for his grandson.
Hearing the phone call, that woman's defense fell apart instantly. That kid sounded terrified and like he was fading in and out when she came and emptied that gun in him. Its disgusting how she not only chose to murder her grandson who was still a child but drag his name through the mud with lies to save face and try to avoid punishment. I'm so glad she was convicted. I literally had to fastforward through the parts where she made her case because it made me so angry.
She has no remorse.She may be incapable of it.
I couldn’t understand what she was saying it was so unclear but bet I’d have been super angry if I could’ve understood her!
The sleazy, boudoir intro music gets me every time.
I just wish the 911 operator had told him to flee the house. I was like get out of there!!! Before she comes back!!! But since he’s shot maybe he couldn’t be moved or something. Tragic.
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The fact that when she knew he called 911 she proceeded to fake scream and saying let go, though she came back to make sure to finish the job, shows how really evil, calculated and cold hearted she is!!
The 911 call was heart breaking as he gasped and then said “she shot me again”
And that pathetic "I will bring you a glass of water" 😡 She's such a vile creature.
All her "acting" in court fooled no one and yet she kept it up.
Exactly!!!! She's evil
A call like that will haunt the dispatcher forever. She will never be able to silence his voice in her head.
@@kuffkittenyou are not bright. They have this all the time, they're not cowards like you
After hearing that phone call, her interview makes me sick.
Lying through her teeth to the interviewer, the crocodile tears, the clear pauses where she is making up her answers as she goes along? I am disgusted by the cruelty of this woman.
That poor kid was absolutely terrified. He not only called the police begging for help, but he also called his friend for the same reason, in addition to asking his neighbor for help too. A 17 year old child, terrified for his life from the person that should have loved him the most.
And I don’t think people realize sometimes how *young* 17 is. He wasn’t even old enough to get a *tattoo.* He couldn’t vote. He couldn’t buy alcohol or open a bank account or rent a car. He wasn’t old enough to get married without parental consent, to buy spray paint, or request his own government
documents. He wasn’t even old enough to be part of the jury that presided over his murder trial, or to purchase the weapon that killed him.
I don’t care how much she tries to deny it. He was a child. A child that relied on her when his family needed her most, and instead she emptied a magazine into him because of an addiction she should have been getting him treatment for.
This was no self-defensive struggle. She was angry at a 17 year old kid and then murdered him in cold blood as a punishment for failing a simple drug test.
He was a *child.*
There is a special place in hell for people that hurt children, and especially for those that hurt the children that depend on them.
Perfectly said
While I agree 100% with most everything you said, the one exception is that he was a child. While not yet a legal adult still not a helpless child. At 17 I had graduated high school, had a full time job, my own apartment and was 100 % self reliant. But other than that you are correct. She is a vile human being.
And now pot is legal in most states...
@@betsyvanek9275What does that have to do with this case though?
@@alexisfagan9604I'd say it's because K2 is synthetic pot, which seems to be the tipping point in this case, coupled with the fact that real pot is legal today. This case was 12 years ago, and pot is much more widely accepted now than it was then.
Damn, second degree? Her husband didn’t even know she bought a weapon and went to the range. She even told her husband to take the dog out!this wasn’t self defense or spur of the moment- This was 100% premeditated you cannot convince me otherwise.
You’re right!! This was definitely first degree murder…
100% premeditated ... for me there is also no doubt.
100% This is Beyond Evil for real.Look at her eyes !
I'd say most people, judges and juries included, believe it was premeditated. However, for whatever reason, evidence obtained may not have satisfied legal criteria for 1st degree murder. Sometimes, without such evidence, the next most severe sentences are handed down.
Frustrating, but probably done to avoid a lesser conviction being handed to her than the one she received.
Even if it was second degree in the first shooting (it wasn't) then it was most definitely premeditated the second she came back to finish off the job.
If she was in fear for her life, why did she go back to execute him a few minutes after shooting him in the chest? At that point, he's on the phone to 911, dying, and not a threat.
The answer is - she wasn't. She wanted to punish him for doing something she felt was bad, and her idea of doing that, is to snuff the life out of a young man who was her own grandson.
I hope she lives a long and miserable life in prison.
Absolutely agree white everything you said.
And if he *wasn't* being violent towards her, that means this is even more of a case of an entitled guardian insisting that the child 100% obey their strict rules. She wanted absolute control, and any attempt from him to be independent was taken personally.
100% agree! This grandmother is a cold blooded murderer and I hope she is served up some prison justice!
Did she file any police reports about his "violent" behavior?
Glad people saw this for what it clearly was and not the Fox news, conservative hysteria about the "poor lil' old lady." People like her think they can get away with anything hiding behind the folksy bullshit. The kid might have been having issues, but she's clearly a psychopath.
shout out to the grandpa for not covering for the murderer, must've been the hardest thing he ever done.
Her going to prison probably was the most freedom he has felt in years
she probably treated him horribly too
I was thinking the exact same thing..there was most def some DV or DA going on there..had to be.
Nah. He is so happy now. His huge life torment is gone.
Grandpa is probably happy to be rid of BOTH of them....:>)
*"Im going to die... Help me!"* That really made my heart sink to my toes. Absolutely terrifying to listen too! 😳😭
My condolences to him and his family! ❣️
Hearing that and then knowing she came back for more. It is illegal to fire a warning shot and she fucking went to a "safe place" while he's upstairs dying and pleading with 911 with his life so she could RELOAD and unload the clip into him like she had qualified immunity. I don't agree with murder 2 but she's not seeing the light of day again so. Fair enough.
This made me cry. I have a pit on my stomach. Hearing that call is going to stay with me for a long time. How could she do that???
@@naninolovyou6388 Wish I knew why anyone would do this to a family member. Let alone a grandson. Absolutely disgustingly VILE, she is. 🚮
Me too.
Same. It made me sick to my stomach...so hard to listen to that poor baby pleading.
Not only did she murder the poor kid, she then slandered his name and made his family go through a trial full of lies. She's truly evil IMO!
Narcissistic women have ruined my family also.
"made his family go through a trial full of lies" bro you realize the grandma and grandpa was the only family he had left in his life?
@@NoMoreQQHe had parents wtf
@@Lookfortruth7 exactly. He had parents. But they gave up on him and pawned him off to literally anyone that would take him. If you watch this video, the grandparents tried to return the child back to the parents but they refused. They don’t want the kid just wanted a payout from the state.
@@NoMoreQQlol you’re being dumb on purpose, if you finished the video… the father did not want him to go and the mother asked for him to come back after the drug trouble, it was the grandmother that insisted he stayed and nothing was wrong. She was lying!!!
The 911 recording absolutely broke my heart. I cannot imagine the pain and shock that poor child was feeling.
This is absolutely heart breaking. Hearing him scream "no grandma, no" gut punched me 💔
When did he scream that?
@@animamundii7:08 I think
Yeah self defense lol was it self defense when she shot him several times after the first time he called the police
he probably terrorized the hell outta those old people
@@UsernameUnkwn21and a reasonable response to that is to execute him?
You’re arguing not only from speculation (we have only her word, not his, because he’s dead) but also emotion.
Not having a go at you - just pointing out that an emotional response based on speculation is unhelpful. His reputation was one of breaking fights up, being a clown and goofing around. He was only small, as well.
It’s extremely unlikely that your assertion is correct.
So, again: is a reasonable response to someone that argues with you and occasionally acts out to execute them?
The only honest answer here is - no. It is not. It is utterly psychotic.
Plus… I’m not convinced that he was wrong to resist his grandmother and cuss her out and the rest of it. I mean, she *did* execute him by shooting him, wandering off, and then coming back to finish him off as he bled to death. She isn’t a nice little old lady.
She’s so afraid for her safety that she left him bleeding out, then returned, put herself in harm’s way and proceeded to shoot him again while he’s on the phone with 911 begging for help. 🤔🤨 what she did is murder, plain and simple!
ABSOLUTELY IT IS MURDER, he was clearly on the phone with emergency services 🤬
100% how come she went back if she was 'terrified'? She's a Narcissist. 😡 her husband is a doormat. May Jonathan rest in Peace 🙏.
I heard something different. He was in a sitting position when on the phone with 911. I think at some point he managed to get up and maybe make a grab for the gun because she sreams for him to let go and his voice sounds off in the distance...
@@elliesaailem777 you would be the person on the jury that lets a dirty cop go free because they yelled, “Stop resisting,” and shoots the person “accidentally” with their gun instead of their clearly marked taser. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤔🤨🤦🏾♀️
@@NikkiRhodeen I made my comment before I even finished listening and then the narrator confirmed what the grandmother says happend and also I've never heard about this case in my life. Can you then explain why his voice was in the distance? Please explain that part to me.
My dad was like this grandma... because I wouldn't "respect" him, he would make up all sorts of stories about me to make himself out to be the victim. He thought that cannabis was the devil, so that justified violence towards his own son. People, don't abuse your kids... and when they turn to drugs because they were abused, maybe just try treating them like a human being.
While he was right that drugs are horrible, his treatment of you was wrong.
I consider myself as being quite desensitized to true crime stories, but this case made me tear up. Johnathan sounds like an amazing kid who struggled, he just needed help. How dared that monster of a woman even say that was self-defense?
Didn't even sound like he was struggling that much. Full ride scholarship to college doesn't happen to a fuck up.... He was just an unlucky bastard who got caught doing what millions of teenagers his age do.
@@mekan0001and for an understandable reason too. His parents had divorced and to make matters worse, his sister is diagnosed with cancer. He was trying to cope, I don’t condone it while underage but I do understand the need of an outlet when you’re depressed. Poor kid. He didn’t deserve this.
Guess u never lived with a chemically imbalanced junkie.. spice is NO JOKE
probably because this is the real incident that we are earing and not a reenactment
Have you seen the video titled "The Mom Who Trampled Her Baby Son To Death" over at Anna Uncovered? I tell you, it was the hardest true crime I have ever watched/listened to. I don't like the loud, obnoxious heathens. They irritate the eff out of me. And I jest about about how much running one over is worth based on age and gender - boys are more annoying, and to be more immature. But the truth is, if a child has been brought into this world at the choice of the mother, then they have every right on earth to be safe, and it breaks my heart to see a young child abused or murdered. It's worse if they die from abuse and/or at the hands of their parents, or their parent's partner.
It’s so sad, when ppl say “I’m gonna die” they usually do. He probably would’ve made it had this psycho b**** not come back to “finish” him off! This is outrageous! Poor kid.
I heard that and when he went silent I literally thought f*ck. And then he was still alive. And we all heard it. Why waste money on a trial when you can put on a screen her oscar worthy performance and then the 911 call. I feel that's it. I understand why we need more but for me? Jail. Because.... he would have made it *maybe* after being shot in the chest. What kind of adrenaline do you need to have going through your system to have that many bullet wounds, sound like you are unconscious and then get dragged back up to earth by your literal grandmother who you are pleading not to kill you.
Hang on if her own daughter knew she was evil and narcissistic WHY on earth would you send your child to live with her??
She didn't want to be bothered with the responsibilities that come with raising a teenager, she put her burdens on her mom, she's guilty too
When your raised by a narcissist you think it's normal. You think "she's tough to get along with but if you follow her rules.." etc etc. You wouldn't usually jump to "she might murder my son". I assume that because he got good grades, and the grandparents always doted on him, that they wouldn't be that harsh. It's tragic
@@santanapage5044her daughter had cancer and was dealing with that. Didn’t think her mother would kill her son
Some parents really aren’t worth shit.
@@traveltmthat’s not excuse for abandoning your child in an environment you know isn’t safe
The darkest moment on the phone to me was after she shot him AGAIN, realized he was on the phone with 911 she pretended like he was attacking her.
She said he attacked her, kicking her in the stomach and in the head.
@@sunnydae6602 after he was shot? Yeah nah, sounds like crap to me. IF her husband had SEEN any of that type of behavior, which he did NOT, I could believe her story. I don't she was just wanting to kill him for whatever stupid twisted reason she came up with. I'm sure it had something to do with his parents dumping him on her.
@sunnydae6602 she a great actress. Those were LIES. you didn't hear that she was examined after it all happened and they found ZERO INJURIES ON HER. this was all premeditated. Why did she tell her husband to leave the house? Why did she purchase a gun that was a shoot to kill gun? She wanted him GONE because she simply didn't want to raise him or get HIM THE HELP THAT HE NEEDED.
@@sunnydae6602LIES
Right? That long pause, followed by the worst acting since Jodi Arias. It's disgusting.
17 years old. Hearing his life slowly and painfully leave him is so utterly tragic. He didn't deserve to be executed. He had his whole life in front of him, kids do daft things, but they grow up. He needed help. 💔 not to be shot and shot again. Rest in peace 💙
Yes
He wasn't a future rocket scientist. No big loss.
@@azazello1784 you'd be no loss either waste of oxygen.
I truly wasn't prepared for how harrowing that phone call was with that poor dying boy. I don't know how emergency dispatchers do what they do, I have so much respect for them (most of them anyway).
Same! You could tell that the 911 Operator was astonished though, like she couldn't believe what was going on and she was truly moved.
Same! This touched me to the core!
This is just gruesome hearing this boy terrified and crying out!!!! Just beyond gut wrenching 😢
Yeah this 911 call was so freaking hard to hear, and thinking about what must’ve been running through his mind as his grandmother did that to him breaks my heart, he was soooo young and didn’t deserve this kind of betrayal at all.
There were several times during that call where I had to almost exit the video and just forget about watching this case.
@@ThatChosame unfortunately
All of that going on with his parents and sister and he still got a scholarship. That says a lot about him.
Narcissists are always realistically dangerous, full stop. "Controlling, running a tight ship", this is all just code for abusive. I can easily imagine what she was like as a teacher, these are the kinds of people that should never be allowed to work with people, let alone kids. Such an unbelievably tragic case, poor Jonathan. RIP.
Yep. NPD comorbid with OCPD is a horrible combo. Irrational, myopic, rules obsessed, low empathy, and willing to lie and revise history to protect their ego from accountability.
Her fake crying nearly made me sick
i'm from family of teachers. 2/3 of them - are narcissistic. i know colleagues fairly well - near all of them the same. it's either angel of a human being or that. none in between
I'm shocked she didn't get convicted of first degree murder. The fact that she went to the basement, reloaded the weapon, came back minutes later, and executed him proves premeditation. She KNEW when she reloaded that she was going to find him and kill him. The poor boy was laying on his bedroom floor, terrified, bleeding out while on the phone with 911, and his grandma came back to shoot him again. I can't even imagine how scared he must've been seeing her walk into his room. My heart breaks for him. This is so sad.
First and second degree murder usually carry the same sentence. First degree is harder to prove; so a lot of the times the prosecution chooses to go for second degree. The ends justify the means.
The poor boy was a thug and a waste of space
OMG absolutely...... I IMMEDIATELY said she got first..... But THEN read your comment...... ARE you kidding me that is DEFINITELY FIRST.
@@qxq-shut up troll
The sleazy, boudoir intro music gets me every time.
She seems to be a control freak. If she wanted him gone and he wanted to leave, give him the $2k and buy a plane ticket back to his parents. Makes more sense than killing your grandchild.
@IRL_Lore Why don't you move to saudi arabia since you hate western women. We're sorry we don't have your approval.😅
@@IRL_Lore based
@@IRL_Loreclown
My thoughts exactly. She was hell-bent on "fixing" him, trying to mold him into her outdated vision of a proper young adult male. Her assumption of absolute authority based on her teaching experience probably played a role as well. Poor kid. She is loathsome.
@lbird2 Her "outdated" idea of an adult would not get into the position of being a victim of his behaviour.
OMG what a powerfully empathetic 911 operator. I hope she's okay and is able to continue to help others. We need people who care like she does.
The 911 call sealed her fate. That child is dying and bleeding out and here comes this lady screaming like she’s under attack. Give me a break
Screams “no” AFTER emptying a magazine INTO AN ALREADY SHOT CHILD.
It’s just so bizarre that she could be such a psychopath but it only led to murder at very old age. Makes me wonder how many close calls there were.
We don’t know what she got away with either.
This was likely the first time in her life she had access to a gun. I'm sure she used belts or sticks or whatever she had access to the rest of her life prior.
@@saintsinner6195 Just another good gal with a gun... The fact she bought that specifically for him is so damning.
@@Alison-ku5ko If it wasn't for the recorded 9-11 call she probably would have got away with this too.
Or, how many others she’d hurt in her life! She’s evil
His poor voice fading out on the 911 call broke my f**king heart. Came close to a panic attack. I can't even fathom the cruelty it takes to do something like that to another human being, never mind your own grandson! This was 100% premeditated murder. I'm glad she'll never see daylight again
Agreed. 😢💜
She told the cops “I just murdered my grandson”… Not that she killed him, she uses the word “murdered”. That right there should be considered an admission of guilt.
This woman is the epitome of evil.
I agree, but I'm not sure if they can use that as evidence, because it's before her rights were read to her. I'm not exactly sure how that works though.
What? 😂 hopefully you’re never on a jury where you choose the fate of someone’s life with logic like that
@@AutumnPearly01 With my anxiety issues, I’d find a way to get disqualified. Thankfully
@@AutumnPearly01lol. You’re right haha.
@@daviddaddyUtterances and statements made when not in custody are 100% admissible. Only when being interrogated while in custody does Miranda come into play.
Good that the jury did not buy into her narcissism and outright lies. Also her husband did not lie to cover for her. Clearly premeditated murder.
I'm kinda glad the long-suffering husband doesn't have to deal with her anymore.
I don't agree...she wasn't convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder. That would have been some justice but instead she murdered her sweet, smart grandson who she then slandered. Unforgivable!
I don't believe in God but I do hope she goes to hell for what she did.
Maybe they went with 2cd degree as it had the most provable arguments? Athough I agree with everything you say, I'm not convinced it wasn't premeditated vis-a-vis the gun purchase/practice. She's controlling and despicable, and that we can agree on.
@@cdes1776idk, ive seen people charged with first degree for less. the buying the gun and training is one thing, but the physical evidence also shows that he was shot in the back, then shot AGAIN while he was on the ground. Not only does that discredit any self defense claim, but also it took a couple of minutes for her to come back and shoot again. she made the decision to come back and shoot again instead of calling for help or even running from the house. I feel like even if the premeditation wasn't there at the first two shots, it was there for the ones that presumably killed him.
@@registeredjopperyeah but this is a “sweet” grandma and a “bad” kid. When they found about the K2 that removed the chance of first degree. The jury is nothing but people who think if you look sweet and do good you can’t be evil.
What a horrible woman!! Heartbreaking!!! I cannot imagine. She even looks evil. Shame on her and I hope she has a miserable life locked away forever.
Evil exists in all physical shapes colors and sizes … rip Jonathan. You deserved so much better
My heart shattered as this beautiful young man pleaded with his grandmother for his life 😭 I've never felt so devastated by a 911 call... 💔
Me too. We seem to care and feel more for this boy than the grsndma did. Unbelievable!
100%- that call broke my heart!!! I’m sickened
Coming back when he was already shot was a little overboard but the truth is young people these days think the world revolves around them and that there are no consequences for breaking the law. Don't do the crime if you cant do the time, I stand by our police and first responders.
@@chrisescobar4199i am sure you mean the 70 year old thing face consequences for their crime.
I feel so sorry for the 911 operator. Poor lady
The “let go” is the most Karen thing ever. She knew he was on the phone with 911 and tried to set up her defense. Evil
This evil woman secretly purchased and trained with a gun because she planned to kill her grandson. I hope she rots in prison for a long time and I hope someone is making her life miserable in there. Good on the grandfather for being honest and exposing her. Poor Jonathan, he just needed someone to love and support him smh. All she wanted was control.
I don't break down weeping/sobbing in these videos... But hearing his 911 call, it shattered my heart to a million pieces... The fear, the pain as he screamed "She shot me again!"
I don't care what kind of nightmare teenagers can be... They got the verdict correctly.. she has every opportunity to let him return to his parents but chose not to. She's a vile disgusting human being. I know people like her and it's sad that there aren't more ways to diagnose anti social personalities.... No remorse. No honesty. No warmth. Just a horrible human being. I hope she suffers as much as poor Jonathan did at her hands
A psychopathic narcissist with sadistic tendencies is what she is.
sure, you just hoping to get a bunch of comment likes... same comment is said on every victim video uploaded to infotube
He would of been in such shock to think his own grandmother shot him
This makes me wonder what all she's gotten away with. I can't believe this is her first offense. She exudes evil...
Probably abusive to animals and children.
While there is a LOT to unpack about the relationship between Sandra and Jonathan, as far as the case itself goes, that chilling 911 call is all you need to know about how this went down.
He was laying down, already shot at least once, seemingly incapacitated and she came back and shot him AGAIN.
1st degree murder, plain and simple.
Absolutely. I’m bewildered by the fact she only got 2nd degree murder when it was so obviously premeditated.
Because she was old and rocked by and forth like she was traumatized. All strategic on her part to look like the victim. @@zenosgrasshopper
I heard this story multiple times, and it has stuck with me because of how terrible it is. Can you imagine being the parent and finding out your mother shot your grandson? Wtf man. Also him as the grand kid knowing his grandmother is about to murder him. 😢 Terrible.
Heartbreaking......may he rest in peace in God's Loving Embrace✝
Son
@@orionxtc1119 *✡
People want to blame the parents and not the murdering grandma. Well, she raised the supposedly deadbeat parents who "dumped" him on her and her idea of discipline is shooting him... Clearly this kid didn't have a chance with this family.
They never dumped their child on her she took that place and continuously said she got it instead of sending him back his parents. She wanted to break him and couldn't so she shit h
Several years ago I was obsessed with listening to 911 Calls.
Thank you for covering this case- It was one that really stuck with me.
RIP Jonathan
That sounds like psychopath behavior. Who wants to hear that kind of pain for entertainment
@@wilson599 it wasnt for entertainment. it was a morbid curiosity and i believe it traumatized me.
I never knew the homeowners, Fred and Sandra personally, but I lived 4 homes away and after this situation took place, a few neighbors spoke about how nasty and particular she could be especially once you crossed her. Never imagined anything like that could ever take place in that area. Sad story, very sorry for Johnathan.
No way was this self defense. She's a murderer.
Agreed she got tired and let her rage handle the situation. Cold blooded murderer.
19 rounds of spent ammunition with most shots at close range.
She's as gifted as Amber Heard in being able to cry without tears.
it was absolutely self defense at the beginning
@@Walczyk It was "absolutely self defense at the beginning". First, you cannot say "absolutely" for obvious reasons. Why do you think she told Grandpa to leave the house and not come back until she called him? That's the one point that goes against her using self defense.
What gets you is that he said to the 911 operator "I'm going to die."
This is beyond horrifying, this is too much to listen to, his own grandmother. Shooting him, whilst he's begging for help, laying there helpless. No words can describe how tragic this is.
All over weed and synthetic weed, how ridiculous old people are . They have this weird idea about drugs being evil meanwhile many of them are raging alcoholics or just abusers.
That is one disgraceful lady. The fact she pled not guilty says everything about her character
I like that take
that bad ones always do plead not guilty, because in their narcissistic mind they are innocent. Pretty sick stuff...
Almost everyone pleads "not guilty" though.
She went to a gun range for shooting lessons? I was tempted to believe that she may have over-reacted to her grandson's behaviour but nah, she planned this whole thing. Bih is guilty as sin
That's why Russia and Iran back off everytime.They know the west has the crazyness to go all the way to nuclear war.
I mean if grandmas are self annhilators of their own grandsons....
She fought BOTH parents to keep the kid she then claimed was “dumped on her” and was scared of..
She was planning the murder for months. No question.
She's a controlling old battle-axe
Jonathan's story is so devastating to say the least. I have never wished for death penalty in anyone more than this sick woman. She doesn't deserve to be called "Grandmother". Grandma's nurture, they love, they protect and she failed him. Even if Jonathan was being violent with her(which is BS), she would have rather given her life for him rather than kill a whole young man ( who still had a life to live) to save her sorry old *ss. This story hit me real hard.
Johnathan was a dear friend to my sons.
He was an amazing person, always happy and helpful, wanting the same for everyone around him.
RIP Johnathan Hoffman
Thank you, BE,for doing his legacy justice by telling the real story.
I'm sorry for your sons loss of a friend, it's especially tough in this situation for a kid to understand I'm sure. Hope they're doing ok.
Thank you. It’s been 11 years, and Johnathan is still (and forever) remembered, fondly. He was unique, a friend to all, and his friends feel fortunate to have known him. ❤
I am so sorry for your son's and your loss - as well as everyone else who was fortunate enough to have met him. ❤ Love and light from Denmark, Scandinavia ❤️
Thank you! Love & light to you, from Detroit, Michigan, USA❤
Just hearing that phone call, will stay with me for a long, long time. How horribly sad and disturbing. I’m sitting here feeling sick and angry that his own flesh and blood killed him. I am sorry for your sons. To lose someone (a friend) at such a young age. I pray that your kids are doing ok. This is such a senseless home die….😢😢
“A young man was dumped on her”, that’s her grandson wtf. If she felt that he was dumped on her she could have spoken up and not taken him in. The excuses are disgusting.
Those weren't her excuses. Journalists and other people are speculating in order to make sense of it all.
@@elliesaailem777she said that under oath.
Parents didnt tell her they were dumping a problem kid on her. Granson or not. Stop acting like teens are saints
@@robotzombie2481
Not all teens are bad either.
How about a lil compassion?!
He wasn't that bad and he did not deserve what g-ma dished out!
Youre stating the obvious Ofcourse he didnt deserve to be killed 🙄.stating factors that led her to do it doesnt mean Im saying he did.
For her daughter to call her mother evil but left her child with her without looking back.
Probably a narc too after being raised by one.
@znmm2588 everyone is a narc for you people 😂😂
yea that's what I mean, I dont think she was that sad about it. I felt like she got what she wanted. No more being a parent and mom in prison.
07:00 I could never be a dispatcher, the desperation in his voice asking for help is just heartbreaking 😢
@@CharlieBravo887 Are you okay? He said my grandma grandma shot me. He's panicked and SHOT and stumbling over his words. Take a break from true crime. Go outside, talk to real people.
Yeah she didn’t help him at all! She should of told him to press on wound or get to a safe area just utterly no helpful at all
@@ErosXsshe shot him again and murdered him !
I would cry after every call like these. 😢
I feel the same way
The worst thing about this case is the public automatically assumed he deserved it. His grandmother knew she was a protected class and assumed she would get away with it.
she was so entitled she didn't feel she had to try that hard to get off
she made up a not very believable story about the car and the $2000 thinking it would be good enough to get her off as "the poor old lady from the good neighbourhood"
This absolutely broke my heart. I can’t imagine what he was feeling in his final moments. That poor boy
34:44 Her mush-mouthed blubbering filled me with a rage and disgust I didn't know I was capable of. Like most narcissists, she fell to pieces the moment she was held to task by a higher authority she couldn't control. She felt nothing for her own family who she only saw as accessories to make herself look good, but sits there sobbing and feeling sorry for herself.
I’ve listened to lots of cases and a lot of 911 calls, but this 911 call gave me chill bumps up and down my arms. This is absolutely heartbreaking, he loved and trusted his grandma, and so the mix of betrayal and pain is unimaginable 😭, RIP Johnathan.
What fills me with rage is her crying for herself before the judge. 😡
I have been following true crime since the 60s, have worked ambulance and have gotten not quite jaded but accustomed to what rotten things people can do to one another but hearing this bright kid calling for help and realizing he is going to die is heartbreaking. It didn't happen because of an accident or an illness. It happened because somebody who is supposed to love and protect him is an evil and conniving POS. That poor kid. 😢
Damn. Evil has no age limit. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Her coming back to finish the job when he could’ve been saved is the kicker.
calmly going to the basement to reload the gun then going back up to find him
wtf
As I've gotten older I've realized that a lot of those 'sweet little old ladies' are extreme narcissists. No one tells them no because when they push over boundaries, its in a way that seems caring.
A lot of single moms developed this complex as well.
The grandmother’s name is Sandra Maxine Layne, not Sarah. She is still alive and serving her life sentence at Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility (WHV).
Fun fact, Michigan has only one female prison.
When did they say 'Sarah'? I only heard the narrator say Sandra throughout the entire video 🤷🏼♀️
@@krazeediamond12:17 2:48 hope that helps!
Hope she rots in jail.
@harveythecat Haha, I definitely didn't notice that 😅 And I also hope she rots in jail!!
I’m glad her husband didn’t lie. He told it like it was.
He looked more upset than anyone like he could’ve saved the kids life
i watch a LOT of true crime but this is the only case that truly shook me to my core because of that phone call
Man the 911 call was brutal, almost too much for me. Poor child, RIP.
The worst 911 call I've heard. Kept hoping he would've survived. Grandma was definitely psychotic, some serious mental issues there, should've been evaluated. If she feared for her life she would've made sure her husband was there, not send him to walk the dog. Why did she prevent him from running away if she feared him?
Narcissists are so dangerous if they perceive they’ve lost control.
True
Exactly astute fact
Absolutely. Absolutely. They are evil demonic people as far as I am concerned.
People call narcissists anyone these days.
But clearly this grandma had full blown NPD. I agree with you here.
@@laniakeas92💯💯💯
Hearing Jonathan plead for help on the 911 call broke my heart. Truly horrifying how a grandmother could kill her own grandchild
Her husband staying out of the house for hours at her request, unquestioning ... that shows she's controlled and browbeaten him for years.
This woman chose to kill her grandson because he smoked weed and didn't listen to her?
If that was a cause for murder half my high school would be dead.
No, that was the excuse. She is just a mean person.
I smoke weed he allegedly was addicted to spice which is nothing but poison we are not the same…
@@tyrianadomasin3594what!?
@@tyrianadomasin3594shes obviously lying about that. Dont be a fucking moron
23:35 This is when she was leaving the courtroom after being convicted of second-degree murder--and *this* is the real Sandra. The look she directed towards her daughter, whose son she had killed, was one of pure evil.
Woah... This one hits close to home. My grandma is also a retired teacher with a mean streak, to put it mildly. Unfortunately, my mom followed in her footsteps (although she would never admit it). To all the parents out there: don't be like my mom, don't be like her mom, and don't be like this b*tch Sandra. *Meet your kids where they're at, love them, and accept them for who they are.* School is not the end-all-be-all. I'm sick of hearing about these cases where a kid failing school or just experimenting with their friends (as nearly every teenager does) is the catalyst for murder. How tf do you skip THAT many steps of potential intervention and go straight to homicide? Especially when they're your family?? Some people, I swear...
Well said
❤
Absolutely spot on. *I'M* sick to my GUT of seeing all these depraved, disgusting bastrds harming children, when having a child is the single most wonderful gift I, and many other women, could ever dream of.
Same here w my mom I can't have a relationship with her...
A lil unconditional love would be nice too!
Many children do not have this. 💔
She left the room, went to get a gun and WENT BACK to his room, shot him, left the room, went BACK AGAIN to shoot him some more. And she claims she was scared of him?
Right??
Shot him, then shot him again, then shot him again? He wasn’t a threat after the first gun shot to the stomach. This woman makes me ill! That call made me cry…just sickening
And with hollow point bullets! This lady was the one who needed help the most, not Jonathan. That poor kid.
"my grandma shot me!" Holy crap that's terrifying 😮
Great video, thanks
Seeing how Grandma said she had the gun because "I wanted him to hear me". Same exact words from Betty Broderick who murdered her ex-husband and his new wife in their bedroom in the middle of the night after she had broken in. Crazy!! That poor kid.
Betty didn't say she wanted Dan to hear her. She wanted them, Dan and linda, to listen to her. Two totally different statements.
@@Littlemissdirtbagthat's what this granny was saying too... she wanted him to hear her saying that he wasn't taking her car or any money!!! I think she was lying about saying that stuff tho... she wanted to scare him straight I believe and she flew off the handle and shot him instead tho
@@AndrewPureMI so she bought a glock 17 hollow tip. Those guns Are meant to kill , not scare. Intention was definitely murder
@@AndrewPureMIyep 100%
@@Littlemissdirtbagyes BETTY and the Gma Sandra said different words but meant the same thing. Context matters and proves you should probably listen again…
Poor baby. She's a monster. Rest in peace Jonathan.❤ I'm so sorry that happened to you. The dispatcher did a great job though. So very sad.
She orders her husband to get out of the house, walk the dog and not to go back until she tells him he can come back. The husband dutifully does EXACTLY as he's told. It's almost like she's conditioned him to obey her every order without question. That alone tells so much about her character, or lack of. That woman has balls !!!
My son is just 20yrs old but is still so baby faced like Jonathan, this breaks my heart so much.
R.I.P beautiful Jonathan, you've touched the hearts of so many, you won't be forgotten buddy ❤️ 🕊
The 911 call was intense. Knowing now that Grannie was a narcissist helped me to gain a better understanding of what life must have been like for Jonathan. I guess one shot didn’t quite strike Susan’s fancy. So she returned with a vengeance AND with the purpose of finishing what she started. May you RIP Jonathan.
Even in stand your ground states it is really hard to justify standing your ground if they're shot in the back. But also it doesn't sound like she was a diagnosed narcissist (as in the personality disorder however given the nature of NPD they don't often seek out diagnosis however let's not blame the NPD.) But definitely evil. No question about that.
he was a narcissist too!!!!
the 911 operator should be charged with murder!!!! he should have been told to leave!!!
@@Walczyka lil extreme to charge the 911 operator w/m*rder.
But yes!
The operator should've asked if it was safe to exit the home, even if that meant out a window.
Children should be taught that if danger is in your home, LEAVE!
Do not go hide, do not stay!
Leave and go to a trusted neighbors home!
@@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206he said he was shot in the chest and he was sitting, and so she obviously told him not to move (especially since he said the person who shot him was not in the house). asking him to move would've aggravated his injuries, plus get his blood pumping faster which would increase the rate at which he loses blood. not only that, but there is always the very real fear that a bullet or fragment couldve touched his spine and trying to walk would aggravate that in such a way that he might be impaired for life. yall make no sense, obviously anyone will tell someone who's been shot to stay in place if the danger has seemingly passed. no one did anything wrong here except for the grandmother.
Even if she was afraid for her life , she is in her 70’s, she lived a full life . She took the life of a 17 year old who had an entire life ahead of him , her grandson , not a stranger , on top of it !
What a horrible way to die. When he was begging for help, hurt and barely able to speak I got a lump in my throat and my stomach was in a knot. To imagine him pleading for his life to his own grandmother is almost too much to comprehend. She is the epitome of evil and I hope when she dies in prison they bury her under it so she never leaves. Rest in Peace Johnathan. The world is a little darker without your beautiful light that made so many people happy. I know you’re in Heaven and you can rest easy knowing you’ll never see her and you’re in a place where you’re safe and will always be protected ❤
i teared up when they said jonathan was just 5’5” and 110 pounds. he was just a kid, a young, young kid with his whole life ahead of him. i can’t imagine the amount of heartbreak his loved ones would feel for losing such a kind person. this one is just so sad. and for his grandmother to drag his name through the mud after she so cruelly took his life, it just makes me sick. i really hope his family can find some semblance of peace some day
truly disgusting not only to murder in cold blood but also try to blame your own grandson for it is absolutely sickening
If she knew her mom was evil , why did she leave her son with her ? She was raised by her , surely she knew .
Agree 💯 both parents look much too pleased with themselves when interviewed
Selfishness.
Why would a elderly grandma want to raise a troubled teen? That's his parents job,not hers.
Thank you! These were my thoughts, exactly.
He begged them to let him stay with her so he could finish school with his friends.
to hear the young man ominously say "I am gonna die" is really heartbreaking
20:35 she’s doing the correct noises for crying, but with none of the facial expressions or tears. It’s very uncanny and unsettling
The dispatcher usually gets a bad wrap and it's usually deserved. But can you imagine the operator's PTSD from that call? wtf...
@@JadaH9that’s their job. To keep the caller talking and make sure they’re still conscious as well as get as many details as possible. It’s literally part of their training.
I think this dispatcher did pretty good. She got the info needed, sounded kind and keeps trying to get him to talk to keep him conscious.
The ones that are dead inside are the ones that are broken by so many f'ed up calls and on meds. They don't start like that.
@@JadaH9As soon as dispatchers get the address, they're sending someone. They're job is to ask questions so they can rely the information to emergency services so they know what kind of situation they're being sent to.
@@JadaH9 they were literally doin their job
🥀🕊️My heart is completely 💔 broken listening to that young man begging for help as the life drifts away from his body. That EVIL woman shoots him YET AGAIN, twice!!,😱😭😪😪 UNBELIEVABLE!! GOD, please give Jonathan's parents peace!! 😢👍🏾💔
Gotta love the irony of her having to spend the rest of her life in prison after obsessing over her grandson’s minor legal issues.
An 18 year old smoking a joint should never have been of concern to her or the police !
@@ThimbleFox350 Nope. They turn otherwise good teenagers into problems by harassing them and making them snap.
The sleazy, boudoir intro music gets me every time.
It's the parents job NOT the grandmother jod to raise the kids
@majordamage4202 Yeah exactly so they need to quit barring people from smoking weed so they don’t resort to spice.
For the first time. I hear urgency and compassion from a call dispatcher. God bless her. Rip, young man!
Did you know that the good dispatchers will not get emotionally involved with the situation they handle? It's called "staying professional". It's actually bad when they show "urgency" because their job is to keep the caller calm.
But, for the public, it's all about emotions and so those who fail their job will get praised while the professional ones will get despised.
RIP common sense.
Thank God my family didn't treat me that way when I messed up as a kid. Growing up is hard and confusing. Mistakes are always gonna be made. It's natural. He obviously had issues with abandonment too. Just wow. To murder your grandson, then go through with lieing that it was because he was evil is just crazy
She was terrified of her unarmed grandson and continued to shoot him. First in the chest. She wanted him dead. Monster!
She was paranoid and killed him for no reason at all. She could have just had him arrested and removed from his home. This was so senseless 🤦🏽♀️
Sounds like she’s on spice
Yea but, that's the thing. She wasn't afraid of him.
She wanted complete control and when he rightfully so pushed back on her ideas and ways, she came up with a plan. "If I can't control you, I'll end you." the dumb b*tch even PRACTIED at the gun range in preparation. She didn't want to help him. She wanted a prisoner. Probably like her husband.
She wasn't paranoid at all. She was in murderous state. There was no one in that house to be afraid of except... Grandma with her Glock.
I think she was just angry that he wouldn't obey her. She is a very evil person. She could have asked the parents to take him back as the parents offered - not shoot him to death due to her anger..
I don't think she was paranoid. I think she wanted to get her own way. When she couldn't force him to conform, she murdered him. Better to murder him than to fail at controlling him.
That 911 call was heart wrenching. As a grandmother of 7, I can't even imagine! This woman is a psychopath. He may have been troubled but did she have to come back into the room and shoot him somemore? I don't see tears coming from this woman as she's testifying. She is absolutely vile. RIP Jonathon
A psychopathic narc who should never be around animals or children.
This case is 🥺😩 horrible! I believe the grandmother was super controlling as she told her husband to walk the dog and he can’t return until she tells him to. And he obeyed! It was definitely premeditated. I’m guessing that she has some sort of superiority complex and that when her grandson tested positive for spice, it made her believe that he was being self destructive and that she was also extremely embarrassed that her grandson would ever embarrass her and her family that way! Such an extreme sadness and tragedy!
Agreed! Its more than obvious the evidence shows that this was premeditated! Her actions taken in acquiring the permit and gun, sending her husband out and telling him to stay away. There must have been signs prior to this incident of how intolerable and cruel this woman truly was. I cant imagine what damage she caused to the people around her over the years prior to her murdering her defenceless grandson.
Granny thought “Reefer Madness” was a documentary.
I’ve heard this story many times and I still can’t wrap my head around it.
Hearing how scared he was on that call is heartbreaking. May he rest peacefully and may she rot where she deserves to be in this life and the next
She actually looks evil ; imagine how terrifying a teacher she must have been!!
Yup you can see it in her eyes. Her previous students probably dreaded seeing her at the desk.
The sleazy, boudoir intro music gets me every time.
Ugh she reminds me of some controlling teachers I had in school. In school nothing you could do against the teacher especially if you were the quiet type. Those teachers were always bitter and angry. It’s lien wtf were you a teacher if you catch a student day dreaming? That ain’t a crime!!
@@whitedragoness23 For those of us who had to go to Catholic school, it was always the nuns.
@@cdes1776 what year did you go to Catholic school? I’ve heard school nuns were bad. Didn’t know for sure.
Damn. If I was a dispatcher and I had to deal with a call like that, I'm pretty sure that would be the end of my career. What a horrifying story.
It's crazy how quick media jumped on his drug use to justify his murder. It's so gross.
She felt disrespected, and that was intolerable. What a monster.
She was so afraid of her grandson, her husband takes the dog for a walk and she shoots him? Nope. Makes no sense at all.
The narrator is fabulous! Always brings legitimate concerns to the forefront, and encourages thinking of solutions🏆
He is really good. But what about The writer of the script?
the narrator sucks, he just repeats what we just saw for the low IQ in the audience. This video should have been half the length.
This evil witch slandered her own dead grandson, you don’t murder people because they have issues, let ALONE your GRANDSON. She is foul and whatever life she had left is tainted forever.
The grandpa seemed like he had been dealing with Sandra's narcissism for decades, and was done with her dishonesty.
Good for him, for standing up for his grandson.
He didn't stand up for him soon enough. He knew...
Sexist much? The patriarchy ruined her life
A bit late
Agree! He didn't know she had a gun or even capable of this! He stood up once he knew, and, for that, I give him kudos for doing right!!
This story is so heartbreaking 💔
His final moments of life was his grandmother taking his life....