Jo Frost is excellent on many levels, but one of her best qualities is her ability, and willingness, to listen. She listens with the intent to understand, not just the intent to respond.
Very good observation! And perfectly said, to explain what so many people these days, do NOT do. But an excellent interpretation of what someone does, that actually CARES.
My grandfather said something yrs ago that did not resonate with me at the time but makes much more sense in age. He said children are like saplings. If they begin to grow in a crooked direction you must assist their straightening early, while they're still young. If u wait too long they'll be unable to straighten & will continue growing & become a crooked tree.
exactly. and today parents are lazy and selfish, they leave kids by themselves, don't go in their room, don't control their internet usage, don't talk to their kids, don't teach them manners etc. therefore so many more kids today become criminals and terrible people.
@@thecozyconstellation. Today’s parents are likely working more than two jobs to simply maintain running in place. Very few parents are lazy or neglectful.
I'm used to seeing Jo Frost in the cheery setting of the "Super Nanny" series, I think the pathology of children's minds is something that she is well-suited to speak on, given her experience.
As a young kid, one of my common fantasies was that our family would somehow be invited onto supernanny. I thought that if she came over she would be able to see the abuse going on and save us, like a literal superhero. Seeing her now reminds me of the hope she brought me then
@PiratesRock-dm8mt I have to agree, the fact she has no children which I didn't know, I have 5 children and 14 grandchildren, a lot has to do with what we feed children what we allow them to watch, and how much they spend on internet. If we have children, we need to raise them in a loving, caring, with communication and have them in outside activities or other activities they enjoy.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mtshe most certainly does have experience, over 20 years as a nanny. Just because she didn't birth children doesn't mean she can't have experience raising and teaching children. Your argument has no merit!
@@jenniferhodgson7726she has over 20 years experience as a nanny she most certainly has raised children and has the experience and expertise to be able to be a unique voice on children and childcare!
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt 🙄 Saying she can't be a child psychologist because she has no children is like saying a brain surgeon can't do his job right because he's never had brain surgery himself, your logic is very flawed
I cannot imagine a child in my care starting to defecate in his room without me taking serious action to help them. I have worked with traumatized kids who urinate or defecate on themselves when stressed or panicked and there's simply no way you can see something like that and not react. It's such a serious sign of distress and you have to rule out physiological reasons and look at the psychological reasons behind it.
This story has another side we do not hear, the most plausible reason for children relieving themselves in their room is because they can’t leave the room, being locked up. The fact he did this in bottles/towels was his way to ‘clean up’. Psychopathy would mean him spreading this to annoy the ones doing the cleaning. A new partner telling this story with at least one micro smirk in every sentence is not a liable source imho! More to it for sure!
Having been a teacher I find it very easy to pick up when something is off with kids. Parents need training. Society cannot assume that people know how to be parents.
Psychopaths are born, not made. And we have no clue what makes some of them killers. There’s no pattern in parenting that seems to be the trigger. Sociopaths tend to be from abusive backgrounds. Run of the mill bad parenting isn’t turning kids into killers.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toIt takes both genetic AND environmental factors working together just the right way for this to occur in people (as with every gene) this was not purely him being "born that way". His upbringing played a massive role too. Some people have more of a predisposition but without the right environment it's less likely to occur.
As an educator and parent who needed help, I couldn’t agree with you more. I would only add that while parents most certainly need help, they DON’T NEED JUDGEMENT. Judgment will defeat any attempt to help.
The signs happen so gradually during the choas of parenthood that the things which are noticed, there is little to no help easily available that makes a difference
There's a fine line between lack of attention and neglect. A child can be fed and clothed and taken care of physically, but it can still be neglected. And for a child, that borders on abuse.
You just described my childhood. We had adequate money & I was fed. But always left hungry. My mom would slam mush on the table & say “Ive met my legal requirement!” She hated me. And she made sure I knew it. I have severe CPTSD & numerous ailments. I am hard of hearing because she refused to treat my double ear infection until my teacher insisted because I couldn’t learn and I every sound had an echo. She also clothed me. But she made sure I was always put in too dressy or too small clothing, always making sure I’d be bullied. I am completely no contact. I live 2,000 miles away!
It’s very interesting how Jo is hosting this. She’s always been interested in children’s development and helping families. So hosting something like this is amazing!!!
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like the way they seem to grill the step-dad. Grill the FATHER... Where's the father?! Step-parents are VERY LIMITED in how much they are able to intercede. This poor man loved a woman who had a ridiculously rotten child that she refused to discipline, correct, or engage.. The step-dad did not want to risk losing HER by interfering with HER child. This type of shaming is exactly WHY people (men AND women) no longer want to date others with children. Like I said, Unpopular opinion... But, I "step-mommed" 6 kids & it was a chaotic & thankless effort. MY Step-Dad...was thee most awesome man of all time & I will forever be grateful for HIM.
@@keenoled Then he shouldn't have children in the first place. So what if he didn't want to? Too bad and too late!! There is an innocent life out there now and he has a moral and social responsibility to raise that child and be a father. He is equally responsible and should be held to that standard like mothers are. You help make a child, you are bound to that child. Period!!!
I don’t think people would grill him, but he decided to do the interview and take never take any accountability. He was an annoyance to him, and strange weird kid. Wanted his mom, but not the baggage she had. And she chose him over her child and treated him the same. But I do agree, where was his father. Why didn’t he have another environment he could go to, not hide away in his room constantly
@@MommaARADear God no, taking on the responsibility to raise a child should always be a deliberate choice. Accidents happen, contraception fails. Noone should ever be forced into parenthood.
Some parents hide their cruelty really well and are seen by others as nice, even charming, extra special people. Behind closed doors they can be monstrous.
@@user-il7eg2gn9x same...... unfortunately!! And now in my 40s she's wondering "why" I don't have a relationship with her? Why can't I just leave the past in the past and be there to support her in her old age, trying to guilt trip me even now.
@Monk-eee don't do it for her to it for you, be better then they are or have been, show yourself and them you are the better person by being there like they weren't.
A lot of negligence from mom.😢 Doesn’t make what he did acceptable by any means! 16:36 He used the bathroom in his room and they didn’t know until they moved?! That means SHE NEVER WENT IN HER SON’S BEDROOM! That is insane, especially since he spent the majority of the time in his room. Makes me question if she ever actually tried to engage with him at all. 😢 How did she expect him to change his sheets and do his laundry if she never taught him how to do chores?
Exactly. Something isn’t adding up. The Boyfriend’s attempt to portray himself and the Mom as “good guys,” doesn’t ring true to me. There is no excusing the child’s actions but I would put money on the fact that there is a lot to this story we’re not getting.
How did the mother not smell his room? The mother was so lazy and negligent, doesn’t justify him, but she never parented him. He had problems and she ignored him. The school was aware of issues but not his mother?
What actually likely happened was he was so difficult to parent that she eventually just gave up. I don’t mean a simple back talking or refusing. I mean a child who never concedes. A child who doesn’t learn a thing from being punished and just stews in resentment. A child who is constantly fighting for control and will do anything to have it. There’s very little help available and most therapists aren’t equipped to handle a kid who doesn’t respond to traditional ideas of parenting. And many experts get it entirely wrong when it comes to advising parents. Jo herself has fallen prey to this with her outlast them method. There are some kids who genuinely will never give up. They’re determined to break their parents and outlast them. They will make everyone in the family feel their wrath until they win. And eventually the parents do break because continuing the fight impacts their ability to hold a job, care for other children, just stay sane, or the child becomes violent.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toI know exactly what you are talking about. There are kids who don’t believe anything is “hitting below the belt.” It is just about winning, and they will do anything to win. You can’t have the police at your house every day and there is often no help from the juvenile justice system, the education system or the mental health system… And, yes, therapists often get it sooo wrong and do more harm than good. They are not there to experience the inevitable fallout of their bad advice.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to This was my thought as well. It’s also possible that he modeled the entitled, controlling behavior on his dad’s behavior. If the lad had a genetic predisposition towards psychopathy, and then grew up in a troubled environment - seeing his dad terrorize his mother, for instance… he would have been primed to mimic the control and entitlement he saw in dad. Chilling story.
My niece had killed 2 dogs (family pets) by the time she was 14. Her parents (my sister and her ex husband) have done NOTHING about it. I knew there was something wrong with her since she was about 4 years old. I weep for the future
@2PrincessWarriors Right?!!!! I can't believe my sister and her ex still let her run free because she's done waaaaay more than that as of now. She's 20 years old. You know how many times I've wanted to call the authorities on her but.....hell..I dunno. It's a tough position to be in.
@chrissemenko628 Yes it is a tough position. However, you do have a responsibility to report what she has done. Otherwise, you're no better & you're complicit. Do you want to watch a documentary about her, too?! She kill€d 2 innocent dogs. They were in a very "tough position" Are human beings next?? They usually are. Call anonymous if need be but call asap! "Shes done waaaaay more than that now" *What the blank are you waiting for* ???????
40:37 there's your answer, remember when he said the mom didn't want to confront him because the mom just wanted an easy life.. nope that's not a parents privilege.
Ahhh that makes sense now. No real discipline. thinking kids discipline themselves and have their own guidelines and leaving kids to do their own thing .... they want and need boundaries, they say they dont need it but it also makes them feel secure within that boundary
Reality is, you can’t parent away psychopathy. We have no clue why some become killers and others don’t. There’s no common thread in their childhoods. There have been serial killers raised by good parents. What typically happens is these children are so difficult to parent and absolutely nothing works so they eventually just give up for their own sanity. I don’t think people realize how difficult these kids can be. They often do not care at all about punishments. They don’t learn any lessons. They just build resentment. It’s scary to accept that because it means accepting that we can’t fix this problem.
At the same time, it seems kind of disloyal that he’s revealing this about his “partner,” but not taking any responsibility himself. Should he really have been living as part of the family if he didn’t love the child and make efforts to alleviate the dysfunction?
She’s very straight forward with the situation without drowning it with judgment. Judgmental correction doesn’t get to the root of problem, and lasting correction is the goal.
That a child was given final say on what house the family found acceptable to buy, tells you all you need to know. Children who are overindulged learn entitlement, and soon, nothing is good enough. No amount of attention will fill their needs. As there have been no real consequences for the indulged child, they learn that rules don’t apply to them. These kids face no real hardships or consequences, so they are left unprepared and unable to adapt to challenges or a world that doesn’t agree that the child is the center of the universe. The rage this child feels, often toward the parent who indulges them. While this level of violence is unusual, it’s predictable.
Psychology shows it's better to involve children in decisions. That doesn't mean they need to get what they want. Besides the house part, it doesn't seem like his parents were very active in his life? Seems like the parents weren't very indulgent if they weren't paying attention to his hobbies or interests. Saying yes or letting a child do w.e without teaching a child appropriate ways to deal or act with things. Is not indulgent parenting. It is not parenting at all. Angry kids who aren't taught healthy ways to deal with anger will turn into impulsive teens with unhealthy ways of dealing with that anger. Moms, being the target of that anger, are seen in a lot of male child murderers. None of this is an excuse for his actions. * Incase anyone thinks im defending him.
It's not that, I don't think. I think it's her total apathy toward him. No concern, no effort to help him, no reaction to hie emotional need, no boundaries either.
The mother did seem very apathetic. When you child is peeing/pooping in containers in his room that isn't normal. I know she was a single mum but compiled with everything should have been a wake up call to at least tell his GP.. Sorry but mum sounded a bit checked out and rather too indulgent at times. Not eating together as a family was a big tell.
What I want to know is what the father is telling the little boy when he was with him.. I'm a child of divorce and my parents all the time., your mother did this your father did that. What did his father say to him.
My parents divorced when I was really young. She never talked bad about him and he never talked bad about her. She did tell us,when we got into our 20's,why was our father not around.
I too have worked with children from a very young age, I was babysitting at 9 years of age. I ran my own daycare from the age of 19, drove school bus and always dealing with children. I knew some children were born evil no matter what you try with them it still comes out mean, violent , and just not right in the mind. I’m 58 and I’ve raised more then 100 children in my life and near my retirement I worked in a school for 5 years. ,
I respectively disagree. I have worked with children, but not as long as you. However I do think children are both a mixture of nurture and nature, but there are cases of children being born with brain injuries or infections that cause anti social personality disorder, which If untreated can lead to “evil” ways. There are cases of people of antisocial personality disorder that with proper care and love become normal people. I do believe corruption spreads like wildfire and children exposed to that become that
And it doesn't help when a child born into the perfect chaotic, toxic situation grows up with all the perfect makings of a perfect storm. And a few will rise up thru the ashes but those are few and far between. They dont necessarily always become killers, but the possibility is there
I had a hard time in school, a lot bullying and my learning difficulties I very few friends my own age. Luckily I had a mother who took time to talk with me whenever I asked her. So even though I was shy I had other people to talk to.
@@schwarzeseele5825he said autistics struggle expressing emotion. This is not true. While some autistics may have difficulty recognising and expressing emotions, this is a seperate condition that is not mutually exclusive to autism, and can also occur in people with other mental or developmental disabilities, which again are also not mutually exclusive to autism. Autism is not a deficit. We experience and express emotions differently to allistics, which can make us easily misunderstood by them but it’s not a deficiency, as austitic to autistic communication is not impaired in any way. If the child in question did indeed have difficulty expressing emotion, that can be attributed solely to his sociopathy, not to autism.
@@schwarzeseele5825I know plenty of autistic children 75% are violent with no trigger, just walk over with rage in the eyes and bite down on your arm! It’s rediculous! Nobody wants to work in special Ed anymore because of this!!! I have permanent scars and the head teacher lies to parents saying how their kid had a wonderful day and that’s why these kids act like that! No consequences and they don’t get parents on board and autistic kids don’t benefit!
The one pattern I noticed, none of the adults in these children's lives intervened when they exhibited abnormal behaviour. Who wasn't neglected and outright witnessed abuse had parents in denial and for one reason or another didn't get professional help. I hope Jo Frost does more of these, I grew up watching her show and her take on this is intriguing.
I DID see that my children were going in the wrong direction, and you wouldn't believe what I heard from the professionals to whom I turned for help: "Why are you saying these things about your daughter?" "You have to be more understanding." "It's just a phase." "It's just their age." "They'll snap out of it." "Why are you bringing these things up?" Not one of them helped me while my children got worse.
Im gonna say right now thaexposure to drug and violence (et al) can influence behavior, but the evil has to be yhere to begin with. Some of us had horrid childhoods and wouldn't think of harming another, even 60 years on.
The very first story.... Why are we not hearing anything about what was going on at his dad's house and the influences dad was having on him? We are not hearing about anything that could have been coming from other influences outside of his mother's home.
i actually did the scrolling equivalent of a triple-take seeing super nanny's face on a video like this. i watch super nanny and also true crime stuff, kinda jarring seeing them randomly combined in my recommendations😁 perfect to go to sleep to!
Hind sight is 20/20. This family is not perfect, but they have all suffered. She could have showered him with everything he wanted, and the first time he was denied later in adulthood do the same thing.
Gosh, the state of his room and that no one had a look or checked on him to that point. I can't help but put blame on his parents for neglecting him so much. His choices were his choices but man, he must've felt so neglected.
Jo, the perfect person for this, as a nanny, she has seen some really naughty children! I remember her show, be so mad at the kids & parents, but she managed them! This story wow, if my son did just one of his actions, I’m on him, be in intense therapy, not in my home. We moved 7x from 7 yrs to 18, but had 2 sisters, my father was a field service engineer, contracts. Then we traveled holidays , summers,,mom divorced dad when I, youngest, was 17. I didn’t like chg schools, friends, but we all learned in life because us girls all did well, my Mom was a worker but very loving. This boy was ignored but spoiled too.
It's incomprehensible to me, that parents neglect their role as parents, leaving this boy alone in his room, ignoring to give him attentiom and love, including him in the family circle. For it was his suffering from feeling alone, and neglected, due to a divorce and a 2nd child arriving, that caused his ultimate choice to isolate himself. I'm horrified by what has driven this boy to such a desperate act, and blame his mom and her 2nd partner for a continuing neglect, and the coldness of their selfish behavior.
Supernanny is still one of my heros. I learned so much watching her. I was actually the counselor at YMCA and summer camps that got all the "troubled" kids in my group along with the 5th graders qho had chased put 3 counsolers before me. It was october so that was impressively fast 😂
@@bonniealfaro44 How do you expect to stop bullying, as it’s in some children’s nature and has gone on since man was alive?!! There is no utopian society, and never will be. The amount of $ poured into our school systems and they’re still crummy. What to do about all the nutcase teachers that have no consequences? Teaching about gender identity is super sick. Teachers over sexualizing our children!?? That’s recipe for disaster as well.
These parents contributed heavily to this boys neglect, abandonment. Never making sure he was adjusted, then calling him selfish. It seems like the perfect storm. He is likely not a psychopath but sociopath. Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made.
I was watching a video of a mother talking about her 14 yo daughter that k*lled herself and the first thing she said was "she was a very difficult person" well, no wonder why she isn't here anymore, the first thing she had to say about her dead kid was that she was "difficult"..yeah a child is like that for no reason at all for sure 🙄
@ horrible. I get at some point our children have to take responsibility for their own actions, but there is an age of accountability….. and children’s minds aren’t developed into their twenties. I believe by the time they are 18 they have to start taking some responsibility, but until they are legally adults it’s our job to invest in their well being. How can we do that when we are consumed with ourselves. Having children is truly something that should lead us to become sacrificial in every aspect of ourselves. We chose to bring them here, they didn’t chose to come.
These situations are so complex, and it's hard to fit it in a 60 minute documentary film. I'm sure Stephen King was an unusual child who created horrific stories at this age. This is about Mental Health, and our global society has chosen to ignore it for too long. Now we throw the words anxiety and depression around as if it's common. While humans do feel those emotions, a true level of both impacting mental health is much different than feeling worried, sad or nervous. By making it more common place, we simply continue to ignore actual mental health issues.
I don’t believe he saved his brother and the dog to be a hero. His vitriol was towards his mother. And because she was the source of his anxiety, killing her relieved that vitriol. He had no beef with anyone else. His parents failed him and left him to his own devices.
The child (Daniel) was greatly ignored and abandoned for years in his room, degrading as a human being, mentally ill and his mom didn’t do anything about it, moreover trying to bring a new man to the family. Parenting FAIL. I feel sorry for this child facing his fears and demons all alone in his room.
Most teachers ignore it, and the ones that do anything it's normally very light punishment , then the bully is mad about getting into trouble and the bullying gets worse , I've seen it when I was in high school, I was friendly with one of the students that was bullied every single day and literally nothing was done about it, the kid was caught with a hit list of his bullies and was put out of school and all of his bullies had no consequences to their actions against him
As an employee of a school many years ago, I was told by a principal for ME TO STOP telling a boy “stop bullying”…… because of a lawsuit of me saying those actual words. Wish I could go back in time and have faced that principal and that district with a strong backbone. I was weak and now very ashamed.
@@caroldavis103That's what happens when you live in a society, where the laws are to protect the system, not people. You would have a different lawsuit if something were to happen to my child under your watch, trust me on that one. Always do the right thing, even when no one is watching, and especially when no one is watching.
When Jo Frost asked Daniel’s step father if he loved him, was very significant.. The man also mentioned more than a few times how inconvenienced he was with Daniel’s attention seeking incidents where he just wanted not to always be bothered. A man like that shouldn’t bother with a woman with children and their growing pains, he should seek out the perfect family or just &*$# right off. I’m not putting any blame on him other than some children need a man in their lives that love and care for them no matter what. All children are different & im sure multiple children families will tell you each child is totally different. I think it’s obvious this child was spoilt and once the parents split he became a problem to the adults who should have nourished him not just abandon him emotionally. What happened to his real father that he couldn’t remain in the school he felt happy in?
Spoilt? He was alone, living in his own filth, no one caring. He may have been born a psychopath. If so, he cannot be helped and will do this for the rest of his life when he gets out, a strong young man, in 16 years. What is wrong with the judicial system in the UK?
17:20 - THAT’s exactly what’s wrong with kids these days. They’re parents all want “easy lives”, don’t raise their kids, who later become menaces to society for the rest of us to deal with.
This isn’t a case of how did this happen? but rather how could it not happen. It makes so much sense to me, when there was no limit of the horrors he was feeding his brain. You are what you eat.
Some Children, Are Born Bad Seeds...Sometimes Computer Games, Music, And Movies, Help To Push Kids Into Things Like This, And The Adolescent "Love -Hate" Dynamic, That Sometimes Develope, Between Parents, And Their Teen Children!!! 😮 😮 😮
I find the British psychologists to be utterly pathetic in their claims of " anger" and "extreme pain" that Daniel supposedly suffered from. None of them are prepared to even begin to admit that Daniël is responsible for his choices,that he was obviously a terrible child.The pretence that a child is always innocent and hurt,never born bad,is so ridiculous. The intimation that the divorce caused Daniel to be a manipulative,disgusting murderer,is utterly and shamefully ridiculous. ANY change that Daniel did not like would have had him act like the murderous monster he is.
In Daniels case it broke my heart to gear his dad say: No, I don't love him and honestly I think I never did. I think there is that answer... I don't blame his dad for not loving him now but can you ever as a real parent say you NEVER LOVED your child?? And some professional mentioned a few minutes before: We don't know of it's a inherited trade (Pscyhopathy). I'm not saying his dad is "sick" but... someone who can say that he never loved his child... maybe that emotional distance/incapability comes from his dad... Again. Not blaming the dad... But his sentence is blowing my mind. And this is coming from a mom of two who had postpartum depression...
It was not the dad that said those words, it was the mother’s boyfriend, and he felt that way because of all the things he saw Daniel do to his mom before he killed her, Daniel was not kind to his mother and it hurt the boyfriend, as the man who loved the mom he did not like the things the son was doing to the woman he loved…
Thank you for the reply. Actually I must have missed that part that that man was not his real father, rather the boyfriend. My apologies. Than I understand where that man is coming from. 🙏🏻
The adults are very cold toward his emotional health and well being. If he's a psychopath, there's absolutely no way to rehabilitate a psychopath. It seems like no one loved Daniel.
Wooow, i was just scrolling down my yt feed and saw this thumbnail and the title and went "Woah! Actual Joe Frost, the Joe, OUR nanny, in something like that?" I didn't even imagine it before as a possibility, but it's so unusual and it makes it even more intense, that a person like Joe, is in it. Interesting!
There was another child. Remember that. Also, in blended families it takes time for a relationship to develop. His mere proximity doesn’t necessarily translate to love. I’m sure he cared about all of them. He lost the woman that he loved. Daniel took her away.
Wait, no, most would not think, “Oh, kids…” Why? Because we’ve heard time and time again of the warning signs that point to endings like this is why. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing in America, though, although I’ve seen more and more of the behavior here elsewhere recently.
Imagine surviving a horrific car accident, a coma, recovering and relearning how to do things all over again, only to be brutally stabbed 100+ times four years later 😢😢😢
I think there is a downside to extreme gentleness or passivity when raising children. If the father saying he wasn’t surprised why didn’t he take action to intervene in the child’s behavior?
If someone looked at my search history it would be - she has an obsession with true crime including serial killers and up to date forensic techniques. Has talked about her desire to SQUEEZE cute little kittens and FLUFFY puppies (although has never ever done so) Is Autistic and claims to have heard garbled voices when younger. I’m stuffed 😳
I can't believe they are putting this on autism. I and all of my kids are on the spectrum. None of us, or any of the other numerous other autistic people, would ever do these things. This has NOTHING to do with autism!!!
It’s very clear to me that Jackie was a neglectful, awful mother. It doesn’t make Daniel’s actions justified at all. But my gosh. That kid was begging for help and attention and she decided to ignore all of his needs.
Jo Frost is excellent on many levels, but one of her best qualities is her ability, and willingness, to listen. She listens with the intent to understand, not just the intent to respond.
Very good observation! And perfectly said, to explain what so many people these days, do NOT do. But an excellent interpretation of what someone does, that actually CARES.
Yes! She's an excellent role model.
Spot on!!!!!
Brilliant comment.
I grew up watching her (I’m not far from 27) and I’ve found as I’ve gotten older a lot of how I see child rearing and strategies come from Jo
My grandfather said something yrs ago that did not resonate with me at the time but makes much more sense in age. He said children are like saplings. If they begin to grow in a crooked direction you must assist their straightening early, while they're still young. If u wait too long they'll be unable to straighten & will continue growing & become a crooked tree.
Spot on.
exactly. and today parents are lazy and selfish, they leave kids by themselves, don't go in their room, don't control their internet usage, don't talk to their kids, don't teach them manners etc. therefore so many more kids today become criminals and terrible people.
@@thecozyconstellationtoo busy trying to be their "friend" so they dont give boundaries and stick to them.
@@thecozyconstellation. Today’s parents are likely working more than two jobs to simply maintain running in place. Very few parents are lazy or neglectful.
I've always liked the saying that "our children are ourselves distilled."
I'm used to seeing Jo Frost in the cheery setting of the "Super Nanny" series, I think the pathology of children's minds is something that she is well-suited to speak on, given her experience.
Yea this was weird. Thought that was her.
I also respect, that even with her knowledge and experience, she interviewed experts in child and criminal psychology for this program.
I knew I recognized her! Yes I'd say she's a great person to host the show.
She is my child guru. I LOVE this woman!
I agree she really understands child behavior
As a young kid, one of my common fantasies was that our family would somehow be invited onto supernanny. I thought that if she came over she would be able to see the abuse going on and save us, like a literal superhero. Seeing her now reminds me of the hope she brought me then
I know dear. As a child, you feel helpless.
My parents used to taunt me and compare me to the kids on there. They weren't wrong, if you include the parents. (Which they would ALWAYS side with.)
I'm so sorry you had to grow up like that. 😢
@@krissyridgelawnerd Ah, I traumatized them back, dw lol
I’m so sorry you had to go through any abuse!
Her experience with children allows her to bring a unique perspective to this documentary...she is superb in this genre...hope to see her in more....
No, that was a television show. She doesn't have any real experience and she doesn't have any children. She's just a paid mouth piece.
@PiratesRock-dm8mt I have to agree, the fact she has no children which I didn't know, I have 5 children and 14 grandchildren, a lot has to do with what we feed children what we allow them to watch, and how much they spend on internet. If we have children, we need to raise them in a loving, caring, with communication and have them in outside activities or other activities they enjoy.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mtshe most certainly does have experience, over 20 years as a nanny. Just because she didn't birth children doesn't mean she can't have experience raising and teaching children. Your argument has no merit!
@@jenniferhodgson7726she has over 20 years experience as a nanny she most certainly has raised children and has the experience and expertise to be able to be a unique voice on children and childcare!
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt 🙄 Saying she can't be a child psychologist because she has no children is like saying a brain surgeon can't do his job right because he's never had brain surgery himself, your logic is very flawed
I cannot imagine a child in my care starting to defecate in his room without me taking serious action to help them. I have worked with traumatized kids who urinate or defecate on themselves when stressed or panicked and there's simply no way you can see something like that and not react. It's such a serious sign of distress and you have to rule out physiological reasons and look at the psychological reasons behind it.
It points to the mother seriously not caring about him.
I had a foster child like this. 14 years old, did crazy stuff like this. Horrible
Must not have cleaned the room at all.
How did no adult smell that coming from his room??
This story has another side we do not hear, the most plausible reason for children relieving themselves in their room is because they can’t leave the room, being locked up. The fact he did this in bottles/towels was his way to ‘clean up’. Psychopathy would mean him spreading this to annoy the ones doing the cleaning.
A new partner telling this story with at least one micro smirk in every sentence is not a liable source imho! More to it for sure!
The crossover I always needed but never thought of
🤣absolutely
Same my mouth is hanging open finding it
May I ask what this means? I am from America.
@@onemanstrash8233 like when Davy Jones was on the Brady Bunch lol
@@galvestoncandlecompany5696 😮 OH! Now I understand! Thanks!
Jo Frost truly cares about children
Having been a teacher I find it very easy to pick up when something is off with kids. Parents need training. Society cannot assume that people know how to be parents.
Psychopaths are born, not made. And we have no clue what makes some of them killers. There’s no pattern in parenting that seems to be the trigger. Sociopaths tend to be from abusive backgrounds. Run of the mill bad parenting isn’t turning kids into killers.
99% of parents shouldn't be and have no clue what they're doing. Our world is suffering for it.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toIt takes both genetic AND environmental factors working together just the right way for this to occur in people (as with every gene) this was not purely him being "born that way". His upbringing played a massive role too. Some people have more of a predisposition but without the right environment it's less likely to occur.
As an educator and parent who needed help, I couldn’t agree with you more. I would only add that while parents most certainly need help, they DON’T NEED JUDGEMENT. Judgment will defeat any attempt to help.
The signs happen so gradually during the choas of parenthood that the things which are noticed, there is little to no help easily available that makes a difference
Perfect joining of my two favourite guilty pleasures- super nanny and true crime 🤣
A woman was murdered by her son. What a strange thing to 😂😂 at
@ I’m more laughing at those being my guilty pleasure shows 😂
@@Oboakdon't worry, that was very clear from your original comment. This other person is just looking for things to whine about
IKR! 😂 👊🏽
Me too!
There's a fine line between lack of attention and neglect. A child can be fed and clothed and taken care of physically, but it can still be neglected. And for a child, that borders on abuse.
!! This exactly
You just described my childhood.
We had adequate money & I was fed. But always left hungry.
My mom would slam mush on the table & say “Ive met my legal requirement!”
She hated me. And she made sure I knew it.
I have severe CPTSD & numerous ailments.
I am hard of hearing because she refused to treat my double ear infection until my teacher insisted because I couldn’t learn and I every sound had an echo.
She also clothed me. But she made sure I was always put in too dressy or too small clothing, always making sure I’d be bullied.
I am completely no contact. I live 2,000 miles away!
God loves you child, be strong and keep positive, keep faith
It’s very interesting how Jo is hosting this. She’s always been interested in children’s development and helping families. So hosting something like this is amazing!!!
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like the way they seem to grill the step-dad. Grill the FATHER... Where's the father?! Step-parents are VERY LIMITED in how much they are able to intercede. This poor man loved a woman who had a ridiculously rotten child that she refused to discipline, correct, or engage.. The step-dad did not want to risk losing HER by interfering with HER child. This type of shaming is exactly WHY people (men AND women) no longer want to date others with children. Like I said, Unpopular opinion... But, I "step-mommed" 6 kids & it was a chaotic & thankless effort. MY Step-Dad...was thee most awesome man of all time & I will forever be grateful for HIM.
He isn't the step dad. He was the mother's boyfriend and didn't live with them
Wild guess, the bio dad refused to participate. He probably wanted to rid himself of the whole situation even before the crime.
@@keenoled Then he shouldn't have children in the first place. So what if he didn't want to? Too bad and too late!! There is an innocent life out there now and he has a moral and social responsibility to raise that child and be a father. He is equally responsible and should be held to that standard like mothers are. You help make a child, you are bound to that child. Period!!!
I don’t think people would grill him, but he decided to do the interview and take never take any accountability. He was an annoyance to him, and strange weird kid. Wanted his mom, but not the baggage she had. And she chose him over her child and treated him the same. But I do agree, where was his father. Why didn’t he have another environment he could go to, not hide away in his room constantly
@@MommaARADear God no, taking on the responsibility to raise a child should always be a deliberate choice.
Accidents happen, contraception fails. Noone should ever be forced into parenthood.
Some parents hide their cruelty really well and are seen by others as nice, even charming, extra special people.
Behind closed doors they can be monstrous.
You must know my mother...
@@user-il7eg2gn9x same...... unfortunately!! And now in my 40s she's wondering "why" I don't have a relationship with her? Why can't I just leave the past in the past and be there to support her in her old age, trying to guilt trip me even now.
Yes
Agreed
@Monk-eee don't do it for her to it for you, be better then they are or have been, show yourself and them you are the better person by being there like they weren't.
A lot of negligence from mom.😢 Doesn’t make what he did acceptable by any means!
16:36 He used the bathroom in his room and they didn’t know until they moved?! That means SHE NEVER WENT IN HER SON’S BEDROOM! That is insane, especially since he spent the majority of the time in his room. Makes me question if she ever actually tried to engage with him at all. 😢 How did she expect him to change his sheets and do his laundry if she never taught him how to do chores?
Exactly. Something isn’t adding up. The Boyfriend’s attempt to portray himself and the Mom as “good guys,” doesn’t ring true to me. There is no excusing the child’s actions but I would put money on the fact that there is a lot to this story we’re not getting.
How did the mother not smell his room? The mother was so lazy and negligent, doesn’t justify him, but she never parented him. He had problems and she ignored him. The school was aware of issues but not his mother?
What actually likely happened was he was so difficult to parent that she eventually just gave up. I don’t mean a simple back talking or refusing. I mean a child who never concedes. A child who doesn’t learn a thing from being punished and just stews in resentment. A child who is constantly fighting for control and will do anything to have it. There’s very little help available and most therapists aren’t equipped to handle a kid who doesn’t respond to traditional ideas of parenting. And many experts get it entirely wrong when it comes to advising parents. Jo herself has fallen prey to this with her outlast them method. There are some kids who genuinely will never give up. They’re determined to break their parents and outlast them. They will make everyone in the family feel their wrath until they win. And eventually the parents do break because continuing the fight impacts their ability to hold a job, care for other children, just stay sane, or the child becomes violent.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toI know exactly what you are talking about. There are kids who don’t believe anything is “hitting below the belt.” It is just about winning, and they will do anything to win. You can’t have the police at your house every day and there is often no help from the juvenile justice system, the education system or the mental health system…
And, yes, therapists often get it sooo wrong and do more harm than good. They are not there to experience the inevitable fallout of their bad advice.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to This was my thought as well. It’s also possible that he modeled the entitled, controlling behavior on his dad’s behavior.
If the lad had a genetic predisposition towards psychopathy, and then grew up in a troubled environment - seeing his dad terrorize his mother, for instance… he would have been primed to mimic the control and entitlement he saw in dad. Chilling story.
Even as a kid myself, Jo inspired me to work with kids.
And now you stalking her 25:27
My niece had killed 2 dogs (family pets) by the time she was 14.
Her parents (my sister and her ex husband) have done NOTHING about it.
I knew there was something wrong with her since she was about 4 years old.
I weep for the future
Thats horrible. So sick.
@2PrincessWarriors Right?!!!!
I can't believe my sister and her ex still let her run free because she's done waaaaay more than that as of now.
She's 20 years old.
You know how many times I've wanted to call the authorities on her but.....hell..I dunno.
It's a tough position to be in.
& the poor Pups ❤
@@chrissemenko628 dont turn a blind eye
@chrissemenko628
Yes it is a tough position.
However, you do have a responsibility to report what she has done.
Otherwise, you're no better & you're complicit.
Do you want to watch a documentary about her, too?!
She kill€d 2 innocent dogs.
They were in a very "tough position"
Are human beings next??
They usually are.
Call anonymous if need be but call asap!
"Shes done waaaaay more than that now"
*What the blank are you waiting for*
???????
That boy should never be released....His mother boyfriend should be very concerned when he is out!!!...
There for that is when the law is to soft with certain crimes
@@MarthaAnderson-ex9ybThat was a terrible sentence, said with so much righteousness.
"Therefore" is one word.
To ≠ too
I love how Jo Frost doesn't shy away from this topic and such cases. She's a wonderful woman.
40:37 there's your answer, remember when he said the mom didn't want to confront him because the mom just wanted an easy life.. nope that's not a parents privilege.
Ahhh that makes sense now. No real discipline. thinking kids discipline themselves and have their own guidelines and leaving kids to do their own thing .... they want and need boundaries, they say they dont need it but it also makes them feel secure within that boundary
Reality is, you can’t parent away psychopathy. We have no clue why some become killers and others don’t. There’s no common thread in their childhoods. There have been serial killers raised by good parents. What typically happens is these children are so difficult to parent and absolutely nothing works so they eventually just give up for their own sanity. I don’t think people realize how difficult these kids can be. They often do not care at all about punishments. They don’t learn any lessons. They just build resentment. It’s scary to accept that because it means accepting that we can’t fix this problem.
She was probably afraid of the lil fkr honestly
At the same time, it seems kind of disloyal that he’s revealing this about his “partner,” but not taking any responsibility himself. Should he really have been living as part of the family if he didn’t love the child and make efforts to alleviate the dysfunction?
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toThis is very well-said.
I'm Dutch and love Jo Frost. Grew up with her on tv. A very kind and warm spirit.
She’s very straight forward with the situation without drowning it with judgment. Judgmental correction doesn’t get to the root of problem, and lasting correction is the goal.
Ik ook 🥰
Me too. I'm glad most of the show I can find here now.
Daniel is a threat to society!. He should never be let out. He can't be rehabilitation. He knew exactly what he did.
Just sad all around.
That a child was given final say on what house the family found acceptable to buy, tells you all you need to know. Children who are overindulged learn entitlement, and soon, nothing is good enough. No amount of attention will fill their needs. As there have been no real consequences for the indulged child, they learn that rules don’t apply to them. These kids face no real hardships or consequences, so they are left unprepared and unable to adapt to challenges or a world that doesn’t agree that the child is the center of the universe. The rage this child feels, often toward the parent who indulges them. While this level of violence is unusual, it’s predictable.
Exactly
Psychology shows it's better to involve children in decisions. That doesn't mean they need to get what they want.
Besides the house part, it doesn't seem like his parents were very active in his life?
Seems like the parents weren't very indulgent if they weren't paying attention to his hobbies or interests. Saying yes or letting a child do w.e without teaching a child appropriate ways to deal or act with things. Is not indulgent parenting. It is not parenting at all.
Angry kids who aren't taught healthy ways to deal with anger will turn into impulsive teens with unhealthy ways of dealing with that anger.
Moms, being the target of that anger, are seen in a lot of male child murderers.
None of this is an excuse for his actions. * Incase anyone thinks im defending him.
Excellent post. Thank you!
It's not that, I don't think. I think it's her total apathy toward him. No concern, no effort to help him, no reaction to hie emotional need, no boundaries either.
The mother did seem very apathetic. When you child is peeing/pooping in containers in his room that isn't normal. I know she was a single mum but compiled with everything should have been a wake up call to at least tell his GP.. Sorry but mum sounded a bit checked out and rather too indulgent at times. Not eating together as a family was a big tell.
What I want to know is what the father is telling the little boy when he was with him.. I'm a child of divorce and my parents all the time., your mother did this your father did that. What did his father say to him.
Exactly.
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Yes! And it was odd the father was barely mentioned. No information about him or his relationship with his son at all.
My parents divorced when I was really young. She never talked bad about him and he never talked bad about her. She did tell us,when we got into our 20's,why was our father not around.
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Excellent presentation by Jo , her insight into the upbringing of children can have dire effects on behavior
Jo hasn't aged one bit! Nice to see her again!
I too have worked with children from a very young age, I was babysitting at 9 years of age. I ran my own daycare from the age of 19, drove school bus and always dealing with children. I knew some children were born evil no matter what you try with them it still comes out mean, violent , and just not right in the mind. I’m 58 and I’ve raised more then 100 children in my life and near my retirement I worked in a school for 5 years. ,
I respectively disagree. I have worked with children, but not as long as you. However I do think children are both a mixture of nurture and nature, but there are cases of children being born with brain injuries or infections that cause anti social personality disorder, which If untreated can lead to “evil” ways. There are cases of people of antisocial personality disorder that with proper care and love become normal people. I do believe corruption spreads like wildfire and children exposed to that become that
Some children are born broken. Why not? It’s a miracle so many are born normal.
I absolutely agree. However rare it may be it does indeed happen! Why it does we don’t know for sure. We used to refer to it as the Bad Seed Theory.
And it doesn't help when a child born into the perfect chaotic, toxic situation grows up with all the perfect makings of a perfect storm. And a few will rise up thru the ashes but those are few and far between. They dont necessarily always become killers, but the possibility is there
This.
It's 2024, and humans STILL don't have the common sense to realize that extinction is our ONLY savior!
@@antinatalistwitch111 go on, lead the way then
I had a hard time in school, a lot bullying and my learning difficulties I very few friends my own age. Luckily I had a mother who took time to talk with me whenever I asked her. So even though I was shy I had other people to talk to.
Yes nothing much about the adults in this story
Me with autism and adhd watching this 🤔 never fought or hurt anyone.
That "expert" saying that this was greatly attributed to autism should have to give an apology.
Why? It is clearly stated that autism isn't associated wirh violence.
@@schwarzeseele5825😂 Huh???
@@schwarzeseele5825no that's not what he said!!!!
@@schwarzeseele5825he said autistics struggle expressing emotion. This is not true. While some autistics may have difficulty recognising and expressing emotions, this is a seperate condition that is not mutually exclusive to autism, and can also occur in people with other mental or developmental disabilities, which again are also not mutually exclusive to autism. Autism is not a deficit. We experience and express emotions differently to allistics, which can make us easily misunderstood by them but it’s not a deficiency, as austitic to autistic communication is not impaired in any way. If the child in question did indeed have difficulty expressing emotion, that can be attributed solely to his sociopathy, not to autism.
@@schwarzeseele5825I know plenty of autistic children 75% are violent with no trigger, just walk over with rage in the eyes and bite down on your arm! It’s rediculous! Nobody wants to work in special Ed anymore because of this!!! I have permanent scars and the head teacher lies to parents saying how their kid had a wonderful day and that’s why these kids act like that! No consequences and they don’t get parents on board and autistic kids don’t benefit!
The one pattern I noticed, none of the adults in these children's lives intervened when they exhibited abnormal behaviour. Who wasn't neglected and outright witnessed abuse had parents in denial and for one reason or another didn't get professional help. I hope Jo Frost does more of these, I grew up watching her show and her take on this is intriguing.
I DID see that my children were going in the wrong direction, and you wouldn't believe what I heard from the professionals to whom I turned for help: "Why are you saying these things about your daughter?" "You have to be more understanding." "It's just a phase." "It's just their age." "They'll snap out of it." "Why are you bringing these things up?"
Not one of them helped me while my children got worse.
It's easy to sit in front of your keyboard and judge.
Jo speaks directly. She's good at what she does
Im gonna say right now thaexposure to drug and violence (et al) can influence behavior, but the evil has to be yhere to begin with. Some of us had horrid childhoods and wouldn't think of harming another, even 60 years on.
The very first story.... Why are we not hearing anything about what was going on at his dad's house and the influences dad was having on him? We are not hearing about anything that could have been coming from other influences outside of his mother's home.
I agree. It is very sad, but divorced parents can sometimes make the other parent into a villain.
He knew what he was doing. He knows right from wrong
i actually did the scrolling equivalent of a triple-take seeing super nanny's face on a video like this. i watch super nanny and also true crime stuff, kinda jarring seeing them randomly combined in my recommendations😁 perfect to go to sleep to!
Absolutely SAME!
Joi!!!!!!! So good to see you!
“I don’t know if I ever loved him…” isn’t this part of the issue with Daniel.
Hind sight is 20/20. This family is not perfect, but they have all suffered. She could have showered him with everything he wanted, and the first time he was denied later in adulthood do the same thing.
Gosh, the state of his room and that no one had a look or checked on him to that point. I can't help but put blame on his parents for neglecting him so much. His choices were his choices but man, he must've felt so neglected.
Jo, the perfect person for this, as a nanny, she has seen some really naughty children! I remember her show, be so mad at the kids & parents, but she managed them! This story wow, if my son did just one of his actions, I’m on him, be in intense therapy, not in my home. We moved 7x from 7 yrs to 18, but had 2 sisters, my father was a field service engineer, contracts. Then we traveled holidays , summers,,mom divorced dad when I, youngest, was 17. I didn’t like chg schools, friends, but we all learned in life because us girls all did well, my Mom was a worker but very loving. This boy was ignored but spoiled too.
Defecating in public is a sign of psychotic break. This child needed serious intervention.
YES!! I'm assuming they assumed being so young it might be a juvenile thing
It's incomprehensible to me, that parents neglect their role as parents, leaving this boy alone in his room, ignoring to give him attentiom and love, including him in the family circle.
For it was his suffering from feeling alone, and neglected, due to a divorce and a 2nd child arriving, that caused his ultimate choice to isolate himself.
I'm horrified by what has driven this boy to such a desperate act, and blame his mom and her 2nd partner for a continuing neglect, and the coldness of their selfish behavior.
Supernanny is still one of my heros. I learned so much watching her. I was actually the counselor at YMCA and summer camps that got all the "troubled" kids in my group along with the 5th graders qho had chased put 3 counsolers before me. It was october so that was impressively fast 😂
How is 16 years lifetime? Try 25 years with no parole.
The UK & Canada are AWFUL when it comes to sentences for violent crimes. As a Canadian it infuriates me often.
I’m so glad that she took that story apart! I wana know what is behind these actions. We need to understand why these actions are being taken.
Simple he just wanted his mother out of the way.
Bullying needs to be STOPPED. Parents And school officials NEED to address this, a d DO something.
@@bonniealfaro44
How do you expect to stop bullying, as it’s in some children’s nature and has gone on since man was alive?!!
There is no utopian society, and never will be. The amount of $ poured into our school systems and they’re still crummy.
What to do about all the nutcase teachers that have no consequences?
Teaching about gender identity is super sick. Teachers over sexualizing our children!??
That’s recipe for disaster as well.
He should never be out of jail .Worrying about his brother especially
Absolutely LOVE Jo Frost!!
A lot of us have experienced types of abuse, bullying, divorce. But causes some to completely turn evil?
So this kid dictated to his mother where he would and wouldn't live! Amazing.
That is all you took from all of that?? I pray for any children in your spaces
Purely premeditated! Very scary guys! He'll probably do it again if he doesn't get the help he so desperately needs
There is no help for him....
Society must be protected from him.
❤ Love the Jo Frost episodes!
I can’t understand how parents can let their children watch horror. I’m not having it in my house, period.
Smart 👍.
Esp consistently watching it. Even violent games bothered me.
These parents contributed heavily to this boys neglect, abandonment. Never making sure he was adjusted, then calling him selfish.
It seems like the perfect storm. He is likely not a psychopath but sociopath.
Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made.
I was watching a video of a mother talking about her 14 yo daughter that k*lled herself and the first thing she said was "she was a very difficult person" well, no wonder why she isn't here anymore, the first thing she had to say about her dead kid was that she was "difficult"..yeah a child is like that for no reason at all for sure 🙄
@ horrible. I get at some point our children have to take responsibility for their own actions, but there is an age of accountability….. and children’s minds aren’t developed into their twenties.
I believe by the time they are 18 they have to start taking some responsibility, but until they are legally adults it’s our job to invest in their well being. How can we do that when we are consumed with ourselves. Having children is truly something that should lead us to become sacrificial in every aspect of ourselves. We chose to bring them here, they didn’t chose to come.
naive. 3 % of psychopaths are born. if with malignant attitudes you have the recipe.Ted Bundy was a child once too.
These situations are so complex, and it's hard to fit it in a 60 minute documentary film. I'm sure Stephen King was an unusual child who created horrific stories at this age. This is about Mental Health, and our global society has chosen to ignore it for too long. Now we throw the words anxiety and depression around as if it's common. While humans do feel those emotions, a true level of both impacting mental health is much different than feeling worried, sad or nervous. By making it more common place, we simply continue to ignore actual mental health issues.
I thought of Stephen King as well.
And where was Daniel's biological dad in all this??
They should never let them out
I don’t believe he saved his brother and the dog to be a hero. His vitriol was towards his mother. And because she was the source of his anxiety, killing her relieved that vitriol. He had no beef with anyone else. His parents failed him and left him to his own devices.
I’ve seen her deal with some awful kids. But she always exposed the family disfunction
Wasn't Mary Bell younger than Sharon Carr when she first killed?
How many times was she killed?
@@frankG335 Mary Bell was actually a child killer , she was not the one killed
The child (Daniel) was greatly ignored and abandoned for years in his room, degrading as a human being, mentally ill and his mom didn’t do anything about it, moreover trying to bring a new man to the family. Parenting FAIL. I feel sorry for this child facing his fears and demons all alone in his room.
? He went to school. Plain antisocial behavoiur.
I love that Jo is in this! Already love her from super nanny
Surely these schools have a system for dealing with bullies?
Teachers know the children and can obviously know who is a bully and who is vulnerable.
Most teachers ignore it, and the ones that do anything it's normally very light punishment , then the bully is mad about getting into trouble and the bullying gets worse , I've seen it when I was in high school, I was friendly with one of the students that was bullied every single day and literally nothing was done about it, the kid was caught with a hit list of his bullies and was put out of school and all of his bullies had no consequences to their actions against him
I've never seen a school actually protect any child from bullies in the 55 years of my life.
As an employee of a school many years ago, I was told by a principal for ME TO STOP telling a boy “stop bullying”…… because of a lawsuit of me saying those actual words.
Wish I could go back in time and have faced that principal and that district with a strong backbone.
I was weak and now very ashamed.
@@caroldavis103That's what happens when you live in a society, where the laws are to protect the system, not people. You would have a different lawsuit if something were to happen to my child under your watch, trust me on that one. Always do the right thing, even when no one is watching, and especially when no one is watching.
17:07 this family had severe neglect of this pathologically ill boy. They never sought help or relief for that demented boy.
When Jo Frost asked Daniel’s step father if he loved him, was very significant.. The man also mentioned more than a few times how inconvenienced he was with Daniel’s attention seeking incidents where he just wanted not to always be bothered. A man like that shouldn’t bother with a woman with children and their growing pains, he should seek out the perfect family or just &*$# right off. I’m not putting any blame on him other than some children need a man in their lives that love and care for them no matter what. All children are different & im sure multiple children families will tell you each child is totally different. I think it’s obvious this child was spoilt and once the parents split he became a problem to the adults who should have nourished him not just abandon him emotionally. What happened to his real father that he couldn’t remain in the school he felt happy in?
Spoilt? He was alone, living in his own filth, no one caring.
He may have been born a psychopath. If so, he cannot be helped and will do this for the rest of his life when he gets out, a strong young man, in 16 years.
What is wrong with the judicial system in the UK?
he wasn’t the step father. he was the mother’s boyfriend who didnt even live with them
The mother covered for him. The boyfriend was the outsider.
17:20 - THAT’s exactly what’s wrong with kids these days. They’re parents all want “easy lives”, don’t raise their kids, who later become menaces to society for the rest of us to deal with.
This isn’t a case of how did this happen? but rather how could it not happen. It makes so much sense to me, when there was no limit of the horrors he was feeding his brain. You are what you eat.
I watch a lot of true crime videos, I can never comprehend child killers, at such a young age, their sadistic and soulless.
Whoa hold up! Is that Super Nanny?!?! Wow..this is quite the change of pace for her. I like it.
Some Children, Are Born Bad Seeds...Sometimes Computer Games, Music, And Movies, Help To Push Kids Into Things Like This, And The Adolescent "Love -Hate" Dynamic, That Sometimes Develope, Between Parents, And Their Teen Children!!! 😮 😮 😮
Jo Frost is a great person and so knowledgeable about children and caring.
I find the British psychologists to be utterly pathetic in their claims of " anger" and "extreme pain" that Daniel supposedly suffered from.
None of them are prepared to even begin to admit that Daniël is responsible for his choices,that he was obviously a terrible child.The pretence that a child is always innocent and hurt,never born bad,is so ridiculous.
The intimation that the divorce caused Daniel to be a manipulative,disgusting murderer,is utterly and shamefully ridiculous.
ANY change that Daniel did not like would have had him act like the murderous monster he is.
Exactly
16 years in prison- NOT long enough!
The parents should have gone to jail.
In Daniels case it broke my heart to gear his dad say: No, I don't love him and honestly I think I never did.
I think there is that answer... I don't blame his dad for not loving him now but can you ever as a real parent say you NEVER LOVED your child??
And some professional mentioned a few minutes before: We don't know of it's a inherited trade (Pscyhopathy).
I'm not saying his dad is "sick" but... someone who can say that he never loved his child... maybe that emotional distance/incapability comes from his dad...
Again. Not blaming the dad...
But his sentence is blowing my mind. And this is coming from a mom of two who had postpartum depression...
It was not the dad that said those words, it was the mother’s boyfriend, and he felt that way because of all the things he saw Daniel do to his mom before he killed her, Daniel was not kind to his mother and it hurt the boyfriend, as the man who loved the mom he did not like the things the son was doing to the woman he loved…
Thank you for the reply. Actually I must have missed that part that that man was not his real father, rather the boyfriend. My apologies. Than I understand where that man is coming from. 🙏🏻
I adore Jo Frost. Also her accent rocks.
The adults are very cold toward his emotional health and well being.
If he's a psychopath, there's absolutely no way to rehabilitate a psychopath.
It seems like no one loved Daniel.
Wooow, i was just scrolling down my yt feed and saw this thumbnail and the title and went "Woah! Actual Joe Frost, the Joe, OUR nanny, in something like that?" I didn't even imagine it before as a possibility, but it's so unusual and it makes it even more intense, that a person like Joe, is in it. Interesting!
This was excellent!! I learned a lot!
“ I don’t think I ever loved Daniel” Well there you have it.
That's because he was spoilt and never chastised for his behaviour. Nobody likes a spoilt brat
I did a presentation on child killers. Sorry but some kids are just bad seeds and people can sense it
@@suerichards47 THAT part!
Plus, as a step parent, love is not automatic.
There was another child. Remember that. Also, in blended families it takes time for a relationship to develop. His mere proximity doesn’t necessarily translate to love.
I’m sure he cared about all of them. He lost the woman that he loved. Daniel took her away.
We ❤Jo Frost button ➡️
Thank you Jo for such a succinct and in depth analysis on how trauma affects children.
Have you seen the movie?
We have to talk about Kevin?
The book is far better!
Sure have! Book and movie. I was thinking the same thing .
Wait, no, most would not think, “Oh, kids…” Why? Because we’ve heard time and time again of the warning signs that point to endings like this is why. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing in America, though, although I’ve seen more and more of the behavior here elsewhere recently.
We see this happening very often in England and America..Child killers..
Great series. Always amazes me how people and especially kids can do this to others!
Alot. Is it a miracle?
Timestamp 1.35.Thank you for your generous spirit .I appreciate you ....!!!!!!!
Imagine surviving a horrific car accident, a coma, recovering and relearning how to do things all over again, only to be brutally stabbed 100+ times four years later 😢😢😢
He was weak enough to become prey to a young predator. The next victim? A woman, also weaker than him.
I think there is a downside to extreme gentleness or passivity when raising children. If the father saying he wasn’t surprised why didn’t he take action to intervene in the child’s behavior?
grew up and notts and never heard of this story. sharing with friends
If someone looked at my search history it would be - she has an obsession with true crime including serial killers and up to date forensic techniques. Has talked about her desire to SQUEEZE cute little kittens and FLUFFY puppies (although has never ever done so) Is Autistic and claims to have heard garbled voices when younger.
I’m stuffed 😳
No. You're just creative and expressive.
The saddest thing for me was when Joe Geeling''s friend described the school kids lining the funeral procession and how small his casket was.
I broke right down
Hearing Jo describe a youth as unhinged 😮
It’s super nanny!!! Love her!
I can't believe they are putting this on autism. I and all of my kids are on the spectrum. None of us, or any of the other numerous other autistic people, would ever do these things. This has NOTHING to do with autism!!!
I’m sorry, you AND all of your children? Doesn’t that seem odd to you?
The thing all these killers have in common is a lack of their biological fathers in their lives.
Red flags everywhere and they didnt heed them
I Heard Of Someone, Who Was Diagnosed, With Psychiatric Problems, At Two Years Old!!! 😮 😮 😮
I was but that was in 1984 and they didn't know my mom screams and yells and emotionally abuses me
I saw “Joe Frost“ and clicked on it right away
It’s very clear to me that Jackie was a neglectful, awful mother. It doesn’t make Daniel’s actions justified at all. But my gosh. That kid was begging for help and attention and she decided to ignore all of his needs.