Jo Frost is excellent on many levels, but one of her best qualities is her ability to listen. She listens with the intent to understand, not just the intent to respond.
Very good observation! And perfectly said, to explain what so many people these days, do NOT do. But an excellent interpretation of what someone does, that actually CARES.
I'm used to seeing Jo Frost in the cheery setting of the "Super Nanny" series, I think the pathology of children's minds is something that she is well-suited to speak on, given her experience.
My grandfather said something yrs ago that did not resonate with me at the time but makes much more sense in age. He said children are like saplings. If they begin to grow in a crooked direction you must assist their straightening early, while they're still young. If u wait too long they'll be unable to straighten & will continue growing & become a crooked tree.
exactly. and today parents are lazy and selfish, they leave kids by themselves, don't go in their room, don't control their internet usage, don't talk to their kids, don't teach them manners etc. therefore so many more kids today become criminals and terrible people.
@@thecozyconstellation. Today’s parents are likely working more than two jobs to simply maintain running in place. Very few parents are lazy or neglectful.
@PiratesRock-dm8mt I have to agree, the fact she has no children which I didn't know, I have 5 children and 14 grandchildren, a lot has to do with what we feed children what we allow them to watch, and how much they spend on internet. If we have children, we need to raise them in a loving, caring, with communication and have them in outside activities or other activities they enjoy.
I cannot imagine a child in my care starting to defecate in his room without me taking serious action to help them. I have worked with traumatized kids who urinate or defecate on themselves when stressed or panicked and there's simply no way you can see something like that and not react. It's such a serious sign of distress and you have to rule out physiological reasons and look at the psychological reasons behind it.
Some parents hide their cruelty really well and are seen by others as nice, even charming, extra special people. Behind closed doors they can be monstrous.
@@user-il7eg2gn9x same...... unfortunately!! And now in my 40s she's wondering "why" I don't have a relationship with her? Why can't I just leave the past in the past and be there to support her in her old age, trying to guilt trip me even now.
It’s very interesting how Jo is hosting this. She’s always been interested in children’s development and helping families. So hosting something like this is amazing!!!
What I want to know is what the father is telling the little boy when he was with him.. I'm a child of divorce and my parents all the time., your mother did this your father did that. What did his father say to him.
My parents divorced when I was really young. She never talked bad about him and he never talked bad about her. She did tell us,when we got into our 20's,why was our father not around.
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like the way they seem to grill the step-dad. Grill the FATHER... Where's the father?! Step-parents are VERY LIMITED in how much they are able to intercede. This poor man loved a woman who had a ridiculously rotten child that she refused to discipline, correct, or engage.. The step-dad did not want to risk losing HER by interfering with HER child. This type of shaming is exactly WHY people (men AND women) no longer want to date others with children. Like I said, Unpopular opinion... But, I "step-mommed" 6 kids & it was a chaotic & thankless effort. MY Step-Dad...was thee most awesome man of all time & I will forever be grateful for HIM.
i actually did the scrolling equivalent of a triple-take seeing super nanny's face on a video like this. i watch super nanny and also true crime stuff, kinda jarring seeing them randomly combined in my recommendations😁 perfect to go to sleep to!
A lot of negligence from mom.😢 Doesn’t make what he did acceptable by any means! 16:36 He used the bathroom in his room and they didn’t know until they moved?! That means SHE NEVER WENT IN HER SON’S BEDROOM! That is insane, especially since he spent the majority of the time in his room. Makes me question if she ever actually tried to engage with him at all. 😢 How did she expect him to change his sheets and do his laundry if she never taught him how to do chores?
That a child was given final say on what house the family found acceptable to buy, tells you all you need to know. Children who are overindulged learn entitlement, and soon, nothing is good enough. No amount of attention will fill their needs. As there have been no real consequences for the indulged child, they learn that rules don’t apply to them. These kids face no real hardships or consequences, so they are left unprepared and unable to adapt to challenges or a world that doesn’t agree that the child is the center of the universe. The rage this child feels, often toward the parent who indulges them. While this level of violence is unusual, it’s predictable.
Psychology shows it's better to involve children in decisions. That doesn't mean they need to get what they want. Besides the house part, it doesn't seem like his parents were very active in his life? Seems like the parents weren't very indulgent if they weren't paying attention to his hobbies or interests. Saying yes or letting a child do w.e without teaching a child appropriate ways to deal or act with things. Is not indulgent parenting. It is not parenting at all. Angry kids who aren't taught healthy ways to deal with anger will turn into impulsive teens with unhealthy ways of dealing with that anger. Moms, being the target of that anger, are seen in a lot of male child murderers. None of this is an excuse for his actions. * Incase anyone thinks im defending him.
It's not that, I don't think. I think it's her total apathy toward him. No concern, no effort to help him, no reaction to hie emotional need, no boundaries either.
The mother did seem very apathetic. When you child is peeing/pooping in containers in his room that isn't normal. I know she was a single mum but compiled with everything should have been a wake up call to at least tell his GP.. Sorry but mum sounded a bit checked out and rather too indulgent at times. Not eating together as a family was a big tell.
Supernanny is still one of my heros. I learned so much watching her. I was actually the counselor at YMCA and summer camps that got all the "troubled" kids in my group along with the 5th graders qho had chased put 3 counsolers before me. It was october so that was impressively fast 😂
Jo, the perfect person for this, as a nanny, she has seen some really naughty children! I remember her show, be so mad at the kids & parents, but she managed them! This story wow, if my son did just one of his actions, I’m on him, be in intense therapy, not in my home. We moved 7x from 7 yrs to 18, but had 2 sisters, my father was a field service engineer, contracts. Then we traveled holidays , summers,,mom divorced dad when I, youngest, was 17. I didn’t like chg schools, friends, but we all learned in life because us girls all did well, my Mom was a worker but very loving. This boy was ignored but spoiled too.
When Jo Frost asked Daniel’s step father if he loved him, was very significant.. The man also mentioned more than a few times how inconvenienced he was with Daniel’s attention seeking incidents where he just wanted not to always be bothered. A man like that shouldn’t bother with a woman with children and their growing pains, he should seek out the perfect family or just &*$# right off. I’m not putting any blame on him other than some children need a man in their lives that love and care for them no matter what. All children are different & im sure multiple children families will tell you each child is totally different. I think it’s obvious this child was spoilt and once the parents split he became a problem to the adults who should have nourished him not just abandon him emotionally. What happened to his real father that he couldn’t remain in the school he felt happy in?
Spoilt? He was alone, living in his own filth, no one caring. He may have been born a psychopath. If so, he cannot be helped and will do this for the rest of his life when he gets out, a strong young man, in 16 years. What is wrong with the judicial system in the UK?
@@schwarzeseele5825he said autistics struggle expressing emotion. This is not true. While some autistics may have difficulty recognising and expressing emotions, this is a seperate condition that is not mutually exclusive to autism, and can also occur in people with other mental or developmental disabilities, which again are also not mutually exclusive to autism. Autism is not a deficit. We experience and express emotions differently to allistics, which can make us easily misunderstood by them but it’s not a deficiency, as austitic to autistic communication is not impaired in any way. If the child in question did indeed have difficulty expressing emotion, that can be attributed solely to his sociopathy, not to autism.
@@schwarzeseele5825I know plenty of autistic children 75% are violent with no trigger, just walk over with rage in the eyes and bite down on your arm! It’s rediculous! Nobody wants to work in special Ed anymore because of this!!! I have permanent scars and the head teacher lies to parents saying how their kid had a wonderful day and that’s why these kids act like that! No consequences and they don’t get parents on board and autistic kids don’t benefit!
40:37 there's your answer, remember when he said the mom didn't want to confront him because the mom just wanted an easy life.. nope that's not a parents privilege.
These cases are so rough to listen to. Because from the outside looking in, there are usually about 837464633737 red flags that the parents (who eventually become victims) just ignore.
This isn’t a case of how did this happen? but rather how could it not happen. It makes so much sense to me, when there was no limit of the horrors he was feeding his brain. You are what you eat.
I don’t believe he saved his brother and the dog to be a hero. His vitriol was towards his mother. And because she was the source of his anxiety, killing her relieved that vitriol. He had no beef with anyone else. His parents failed him and left him to his own devices.
These situations are so complex, and it's hard to fit it in a 60 minute documentary film. I'm sure Stephen King was an unusual child who created horrific stories at this age. This is about Mental Health, and our global society has chosen to ignore it for too long. Now we throw the words anxiety and depression around as if it's common. While humans do feel those emotions, a true level of both impacting mental health is much different than feeling worried, sad or nervous. By making it more common place, we simply continue to ignore actual mental health issues.
No matter the age of an offender, even at 14, murdering anyone let alone the mother, needs to be kept away from the public permanently. What a rotten judicial system the UK has....Yes. divorce has a horrific impact on many children, but what he did, no! He can not be rehhabilitated. Sidenote: The fact of the unusual high number of divirces today is more than concerning. I do mostly feel onlly sorry for the kids, they will suffer the most thankfully without this sad outcome here. Best is to realize that marriage and traditional family life has died (in the western world at least) and construct your life another way.
These parents contributed heavily to this boys neglect, abandonment. Never making sure he was adjusted, then calling him selfish. It seems like the perfect storm. He is likely not a psychopath but sociopath. Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made.
I was watching a video of a mother talking about her 14 yo daughter that k*lled herself and the first thing she said was "she was a very difficult person" well, no wonder why she isn't here anymore, the first thing she had to say about her dead kid was that she was "difficult"..yeah a child is like that for no reason at all for sure 🙄
@ horrible. I get at some point our children have to take responsibility for their own actions, but there is an age of accountability….. and children’s minds aren’t developed into their twenties. I believe by the time they are 18 they have to start taking some responsibility, but until they are legally adults it’s our job to invest in their well being. How can we do that when we are consumed with ourselves. Having children is truly something that should lead us to become sacrificial in every aspect of ourselves. We chose to bring them here, they didn’t chose to come.
When a mother demeans and parentifies, competes with, bullies, mocks, denigrates a child until they snap, I'm surprised more kids haven't snapped. When people have parents who are narcissists, borderlines, and psychopaths, that child is so traumatized they may snap.
In Daniels case it broke my heart to gear his dad say: No, I don't love him and honestly I think I never did. I think there is that answer... I don't blame his dad for not loving him now but can you ever as a real parent say you NEVER LOVED your child?? And some professional mentioned a few minutes before: We don't know of it's a inherited trade (Pscyhopathy). I'm not saying his dad is "sick" but... someone who can say that he never loved his child... maybe that emotional distance/incapability comes from his dad... Again. Not blaming the dad... But his sentence is blowing my mind. And this is coming from a mom of two who had postpartum depression...
Hind sight is 20/20. This family is not perfect, but they have all suffered. She could have showered him with everything he wanted, and the first time he was denied later in adulthood do the same thing.
Wait, no, most would not think, “Oh, kids…” Why? Because we’ve heard time and time again of the warning signs that point to endings like this is why. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing in America, though, although I’ve seen more and more of the behavior here elsewhere recently.
If someone looked at my search history it would be - she has an obsession with true crime including serial killers and up to date forensic techniques. Has talked about her desire to SQUEEZE cute little kittens and FLUFFY puppies (although has never ever done so) Is Autistic and claims to have heard garbled voices when younger. I’m stuffed 😳
Most teachers ignore it, and the ones that do anything it's normally very light punishment , then the bully is mad about getting into trouble and the bullying gets worse , I've seen it when I was in high school, I was friendly with one of the students that was bullied every single day and literally nothing was done about it, the kid was caught with a hit list of his bullies and was put out of school and all of his bullies had no consequences to their actions against him
As an employee of a school many years ago, I was told by a principal for ME TO STOP telling a boy “stop bullying”…… because of a lawsuit of me saying those actual words. Wish I could go back in time and have faced that principal and that district with a strong backbone. I was weak and now very ashamed.
@@caroldavis103That's what happens when you live in a society, where the laws are to protect the system, not people. You would have a different lawsuit if something were to happen to my child under your watch, trust me on that one. Always do the right thing, even when no one is watching, and especially when no one is watching.
No better person to host a program on children and their behaviors, mannerisms, actions, or reactions are the caregivers, day care, preschool, kindergarten, elementary aged children, tweens, teens, up to the age of 25 in all reality, include professors or adjunct faculty and Sunday school teachers. We are the constant observer. Never NoT listening to several conversations happening at once, watching for subtle to massive attitude/physical changes. Verbal usage. All must legally report all of these changes or complete stories children can’t wait to come into class just to tell you what happened in their house last night. Stories that would make you fearful to go shopping alone after dark knowing the people are capable of harming family and friends don’t think twice about attacking a stranger.
There was another child. Remember that. Also, in blended families it takes time for a relationship to develop. His mere proximity doesn’t necessarily translate to love. I’m sure he cared about all of them. He lost the woman that he loved. Daniel took her away.
@@bonniealfaro44 How do you expect to stop bullying, as it’s in some children’s nature and has gone on since man was alive?!! There is no utopian society, and never will be. The amount of $ poured into our school systems and they’re still crummy. What to do about all the nutcase teachers that have no consequences? Teaching about gender identity is super sick. Teachers over sexualizing our children!?? That’s recipe for disaster as well.
Much better interview with Elizabeth. 👍 She used great control over excessive smiling and excitement she has displayed in the past. It's wonderful to be excited about your job and knowledge of content, but feeling empathetic for the victims is very important. 😢
I find the British psychologists to be utterly pathetic in their claims of " anger" and "extreme pain" that Daniel supposedly suffered from. None of them are prepared to even begin to admit that Daniël is responsible for his choices,that he was obviously a terrible child.The pretence that a child is always innocent and hurt,never born bad,is so ridiculous. The intimation that the divorce caused Daniel to be a manipulative,disgusting murderer,is utterly and shamefully ridiculous. ANY change that Daniel did not like would have had him act like the murderous monster he is.
@@llamamama2910yep. Supernanny called the timeout going to the naughty spot, depending on the age of the child. There was a naughty step, a naughty chair, a naughty room and a naughty spot, she'll use whatever you got to establish time outs.
@@llamamama2910 yep. You can use a naughty chair, a naughty step or a room. Wherever it's boring and they have to sit there for one minute per year of their own age and then apologize for what they've done. It only works if you get down to eye level first and use a stern tone to warn them before they misbehave.
The adults are very cold toward his emotional health and well being. If he's a psychopath, there's absolutely no way to rehabilitate a psychopath. It seems like no one loved Daniel.
I wish I had never watched Super Nanny when my children were young. I used her techniques to discipline them. They are teenagers now and I have so many regrets. Her style is too harsh. Yes, it gets results but at what cost? No child should be isolated and ignored when they are overwhelmed by emotions that they can’t regulate. It’s cruel.
This is what happens when you FAIL👎🏾 horribly at parenting. Rather than setting; (rules, boundaries, limitations), your child is the one calling the shots. No sympathy🖕for any one of these IDIOTS, your kids are your RESPONSIBILITY, not societies.
Harsh comment every child is different from birth. It's not an easy thing raising any child. I see there's more to their lives than what is summed up in such a short space of time. No one should judge what they haven't lived. 🎉
@@Razzledazzle1062the op is correct to an extent. It is a parents responsibility to set rules, boundaries and consequences. Allowing a child to rule the roost and do as they please is not helping them in any way! I also realize like nor parenthood comes with a manual. No parent is perfect.
It's interesting to see the nanny doing this sort of thing. She usually works with younger children and parents, etc. I don't know if she took all of the facts, it feels as though she is trying to see the kid as a little one that had a reason for doing what he did. I have never been a huge fan, but that's not to say that I don't think she knew what to do with toddlers however, I hope she realizes that not all kids are born normally pushing the boundaries.
The authorities and the communities were these children live, ignore - at the peril of the victims - that these children are * not born * killers, rather they are made by their environment; meaning they are made by their carers, through abuse and/or sheer neglect. Is it normal, for example, that parents leave a child to his own devices, alone for days on end in his room, to consume who knows what material? Who guides these children? Who teaches them right from wrong? Children do not, they cannot, raise themselves. These lone wolf-children are totally neglected, have zero parental guidance, and are allowed to fill their mind with the wrong information through which they learn to favor abhorrent experiences and thereby open their minds to demonic possession - this does exist, BTW, it does happen and it is nothing to take lightly or scoff at. Hence, in the case of this poor autistc child's case,for example, his «emerging» psycopathy and the schizophrenic «voices» and «laughter» this poor child was coping with. The fifteen year old autistic child, for example, how come he developed an admiration for serial killers? How does that happen? Where did he get that information? Why was this child not reading and/or consuming more edifying material? Where were the parents of this poor child for 15 years? The young girl from Belize, like the autistic child, is yet another example of someone who had not only to cotend with an absolutely appaling upbringing but was raised by a demon-posessed mother. No wonder this poor girl eventually became demon-posessed!, just as the woman who raised her was. 😢 Absolutely terrible parenting! I feel as sorry for the victims of these little monsters as I feel sorry for the perpetrators. Poor, poor children!
I have lived a very happy and successful life as a single and childless adult. But, obviously, such dysfunction and mayhem affects everyone in community beyond the family involved.
She was NOT capable of raising children. Instead of focusing on Daniel, she brought a stranger into the house and also changed his school. Danny experienced the change from a safe environment to a dangerous one. She was NAIVE. That doesn't justify what he did, but it shows the causes.
As the father bares no responsibility while living his new live without responsibility. Totally disagree this sounds like a bias and judgemental statement.
@@susieschilling4009 Of course the father is also responsible. But, he didn't brought a stranger in his kid's house. Saying " this sounds like a bias and judgemental statement" is n o t an argument. Let me know if you have any arguments.
The argument is- if the father, had done his partnered job of helping, to equally rear the child as opposed to leaving said naive mother, to the two-person task this may not have happened. You missed the argument and your bias showed, as complete clemency of the father by neglecting, to mention the failure, is shared@@kingpriapatius5832
In my experience, most parents are naive in some fashion or another. I do think she had some deficits and perhaps would never be a fantastic mother. My parents and many parents I know were naive and that led to difficulties if not trauma, but none of my friends or myself of course murdered our parents. I think this was a case of a mother whose mothering skills were wanting and a child who likely would have been a problem with the most perfect of parents. A perfect storm situation.
Wonder where the father was in all this. Looks like this kid needed some support. Easy to judge him, but hey, family break-up, Dad gone, change school, lose friends, get bullied, move house, new male in the house, new sibling, no wonder he came apart.
Jo Frost is excellent on many levels, but one of her best qualities is her ability to listen. She listens with the intent to understand, not just the intent to respond.
Very good observation! And perfectly said, to explain what so many people these days, do NOT do. But an excellent interpretation of what someone does, that actually CARES.
Yes! She's an excellent role model.
Spot on!!!!!
Brilliant comment.
I grew up watching her (I’m not far from 27) and I’ve found as I’ve gotten older a lot of how I see child rearing and strategies come from Jo
I'm used to seeing Jo Frost in the cheery setting of the "Super Nanny" series, I think the pathology of children's minds is something that she is well-suited to speak on, given her experience.
Yea this was weird. Thought that was her.
I also respect, that even with her knowledge and experience, she interviewed experts in child and criminal psychology for this program.
I knew I recognized her! Yes I'd say she's a great person to host the show.
She is my child guru. I LOVE this woman!
I agree she really understands child behavior
My grandfather said something yrs ago that did not resonate with me at the time but makes much more sense in age. He said children are like saplings. If they begin to grow in a crooked direction you must assist their straightening early, while they're still young. If u wait too long they'll be unable to straighten & will continue growing & become a crooked tree.
Spot on.
exactly. and today parents are lazy and selfish, they leave kids by themselves, don't go in their room, don't control their internet usage, don't talk to their kids, don't teach them manners etc. therefore so many more kids today become criminals and terrible people.
@@thecozyconstellationtoo busy trying to be their "friend" so they dont give boundaries and stick to them.
@@thecozyconstellation. Today’s parents are likely working more than two jobs to simply maintain running in place. Very few parents are lazy or neglectful.
I've always liked the saying that "our children are ourselves distilled."
Her experience with children allows her to bring a unique perspective to this documentary...she is superb in this genre...hope to see her in more....
No, that was a television show. She doesn't have any real experience and she doesn't have any children. She's just a paid mouth piece.
@PiratesRock-dm8mt I have to agree, the fact she has no children which I didn't know, I have 5 children and 14 grandchildren, a lot has to do with what we feed children what we allow them to watch, and how much they spend on internet. If we have children, we need to raise them in a loving, caring, with communication and have them in outside activities or other activities they enjoy.
The crossover I always needed but never thought of
🤣absolutely
Same my mouth is hanging open finding it
May I ask what this means? I am from America.
@@onemanstrash8233 like when Davy Jones was on the Brady Bunch lol
@@galvestoncandlecompany5696 😮 OH! Now I understand! Thanks!
I cannot imagine a child in my care starting to defecate in his room without me taking serious action to help them. I have worked with traumatized kids who urinate or defecate on themselves when stressed or panicked and there's simply no way you can see something like that and not react. It's such a serious sign of distress and you have to rule out physiological reasons and look at the psychological reasons behind it.
It points to the mother seriously not caring about him.
I had a foster child like this. 14 years old, did crazy stuff like this. Horrible
Must not have cleaned the room at all.
How did no adult smell that coming from his room??
Jo Frost truly cares about children
Some parents hide their cruelty really well and are seen by others as nice, even charming, extra special people.
Behind closed doors they can be monstrous.
You must know my mother...
@@user-il7eg2gn9x same...... unfortunately!! And now in my 40s she's wondering "why" I don't have a relationship with her? Why can't I just leave the past in the past and be there to support her in her old age, trying to guilt trip me even now.
Yes
Agreed
Perfect joining of my two favourite guilty pleasures- super nanny and true crime 🤣
A woman was murdered by her son. What a strange thing to 😂😂 at
@ I’m more laughing at those being my guilty pleasure shows 😂
@@Oboakdon't worry, that was very clear from your original comment. This other person is just looking for things to whine about
IKR! 😂 👊🏽
Even as a kid myself, Jo inspired me to work with kids.
It’s very interesting how Jo is hosting this. She’s always been interested in children’s development and helping families. So hosting something like this is amazing!!!
Excellent presentation by Jo , her insight into the upbringing of children can have dire effects on behavior
That boy should never be released....His mother boyfriend should be very concerned when he is out!!!...
There for that is when the law is to soft with certain crimes
@@MarthaAnderson-ex9ybThat was a terrible sentence, said with so much righteousness.
"Therefore" is one word.
To ≠ too
What I want to know is what the father is telling the little boy when he was with him.. I'm a child of divorce and my parents all the time., your mother did this your father did that. What did his father say to him.
Exactly.
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Yes! And it was odd the father was barely mentioned. No information about him or his relationship with his son at all.
My parents divorced when I was really young. She never talked bad about him and he never talked bad about her. She did tell us,when we got into our 20's,why was our father not around.
I'm Dutch and love Jo Frost. Grew up with her on tv. A very kind and warm spirit.
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like the way they seem to grill the step-dad. Grill the FATHER... Where's the father?! Step-parents are VERY LIMITED in how much they are able to intercede. This poor man loved a woman who had a ridiculously rotten child that she refused to discipline, correct, or engage.. The step-dad did not want to risk losing HER by interfering with HER child. This type of shaming is exactly WHY people (men AND women) no longer want to date others with children. Like I said, Unpopular opinion... But, I "step-mommed" 6 kids & it was a chaotic & thankless effort. MY Step-Dad...was thee most awesome man of all time & I will forever be grateful for HIM.
He isn't the step dad. He was the mother's boyfriend and didn't live with them
Wild guess, the bio dad refused to participate. He probably wanted to rid himself of the whole situation even before the crime.
i actually did the scrolling equivalent of a triple-take seeing super nanny's face on a video like this. i watch super nanny and also true crime stuff, kinda jarring seeing them randomly combined in my recommendations😁 perfect to go to sleep to!
A lot of negligence from mom.😢 Doesn’t make what he did acceptable by any means!
16:36 He used the bathroom in his room and they didn’t know until they moved?! That means SHE NEVER WENT IN HER SON’S BEDROOM! That is insane, especially since he spent the majority of the time in his room. Makes me question if she ever actually tried to engage with him at all. 😢 How did she expect him to change his sheets and do his laundry if she never taught him how to do chores?
That a child was given final say on what house the family found acceptable to buy, tells you all you need to know. Children who are overindulged learn entitlement, and soon, nothing is good enough. No amount of attention will fill their needs. As there have been no real consequences for the indulged child, they learn that rules don’t apply to them. These kids face no real hardships or consequences, so they are left unprepared and unable to adapt to challenges or a world that doesn’t agree that the child is the center of the universe. The rage this child feels, often toward the parent who indulges them. While this level of violence is unusual, it’s predictable.
Exactly
Psychology shows it's better to involve children in decisions. That doesn't mean they need to get what they want.
Besides the house part, it doesn't seem like his parents were very active in his life?
Seems like the parents weren't very indulgent if they weren't paying attention to his hobbies or interests. Saying yes or letting a child do w.e without teaching a child appropriate ways to deal or act with things. Is not indulgent parenting. It is not parenting at all.
Angry kids who aren't taught healthy ways to deal with anger will turn into impulsive teens with unhealthy ways of dealing with that anger.
Moms, being the target of that anger, are seen in a lot of male child murderers.
None of this is an excuse for his actions. * Incase anyone thinks im defending him.
Excellent post. Thank you!
It's not that, I don't think. I think it's her total apathy toward him. No concern, no effort to help him, no reaction to hie emotional need, no boundaries either.
The mother did seem very apathetic. When you child is peeing/pooping in containers in his room that isn't normal. I know she was a single mum but compiled with everything should have been a wake up call to at least tell his GP.. Sorry but mum sounded a bit checked out and rather too indulgent at times. Not eating together as a family was a big tell.
Supernanny is still one of my heros. I learned so much watching her. I was actually the counselor at YMCA and summer camps that got all the "troubled" kids in my group along with the 5th graders qho had chased put 3 counsolers before me. It was october so that was impressively fast 😂
Jo, the perfect person for this, as a nanny, she has seen some really naughty children! I remember her show, be so mad at the kids & parents, but she managed them! This story wow, if my son did just one of his actions, I’m on him, be in intense therapy, not in my home. We moved 7x from 7 yrs to 18, but had 2 sisters, my father was a field service engineer, contracts. Then we traveled holidays , summers,,mom divorced dad when I, youngest, was 17. I didn’t like chg schools, friends, but we all learned in life because us girls all did well, my Mom was a worker but very loving. This boy was ignored but spoiled too.
When Jo Frost asked Daniel’s step father if he loved him, was very significant.. The man also mentioned more than a few times how inconvenienced he was with Daniel’s attention seeking incidents where he just wanted not to always be bothered. A man like that shouldn’t bother with a woman with children and their growing pains, he should seek out the perfect family or just &*$# right off. I’m not putting any blame on him other than some children need a man in their lives that love and care for them no matter what. All children are different & im sure multiple children families will tell you each child is totally different. I think it’s obvious this child was spoilt and once the parents split he became a problem to the adults who should have nourished him not just abandon him emotionally. What happened to his real father that he couldn’t remain in the school he felt happy in?
Spoilt? He was alone, living in his own filth, no one caring.
He may have been born a psychopath. If so, he cannot be helped and will do this for the rest of his life when he gets out, a strong young man, in 16 years.
What is wrong with the judicial system in the UK?
That "expert" saying that this was greatly attributed to autism should have to give an apology.
Why? It is clearly stated that autism isn't associated wirh violence.
@@schwarzeseele5825😂 Huh???
@@schwarzeseele5825no that's not what he said!!!!
@@schwarzeseele5825he said autistics struggle expressing emotion. This is not true. While some autistics may have difficulty recognising and expressing emotions, this is a seperate condition that is not mutually exclusive to autism, and can also occur in people with other mental or developmental disabilities, which again are also not mutually exclusive to autism. Autism is not a deficit. We experience and express emotions differently to allistics, which can make us easily misunderstood by them but it’s not a deficiency, as austitic to autistic communication is not impaired in any way. If the child in question did indeed have difficulty expressing emotion, that can be attributed solely to his sociopathy, not to autism.
@@schwarzeseele5825I know plenty of autistic children 75% are violent with no trigger, just walk over with rage in the eyes and bite down on your arm! It’s rediculous! Nobody wants to work in special Ed anymore because of this!!! I have permanent scars and the head teacher lies to parents saying how their kid had a wonderful day and that’s why these kids act like that! No consequences and they don’t get parents on board and autistic kids don’t benefit!
40:37 there's your answer, remember when he said the mom didn't want to confront him because the mom just wanted an easy life.. nope that's not a parents privilege.
❤ Love the Jo Frost episodes!
So this kid dictated to his mother where he would and wouldn't live! Amazing.
Joi!!!!!!! So good to see you!
Some children are born broken. Why not? It’s a miracle so many are born normal.
Whoa hold up! Is that Super Nanny?!?! Wow..this is quite the change of pace for her. I like it.
These cases are so rough to listen to. Because from the outside looking in, there are usually about 837464633737 red flags that the parents (who eventually become victims) just ignore.
Jo hasn't aged one bit! Nice to see her again!
This isn’t a case of how did this happen? but rather how could it not happen. It makes so much sense to me, when there was no limit of the horrors he was feeding his brain. You are what you eat.
Purely premeditated! Very scary guys! He'll probably do it again if he doesn't get the help he so desperately needs
There is no help for him....
Society must be protected from him.
Thank you Jo for such a succinct and in depth analysis on how trauma affects children.
Absolutely LOVE Jo Frost!!
Great series. Always amazes me how people and especially kids can do this to others!
He knew what he was doing. He knows right from wrong
I don’t believe he saved his brother and the dog to be a hero. His vitriol was towards his mother. And because she was the source of his anxiety, killing her relieved that vitriol. He had no beef with anyone else. His parents failed him and left him to his own devices.
Wasn't Mary Bell younger than Sharon Carr when she first killed?
How many times was she killed?
These situations are so complex, and it's hard to fit it in a 60 minute documentary film. I'm sure Stephen King was an unusual child who created horrific stories at this age. This is about Mental Health, and our global society has chosen to ignore it for too long. Now we throw the words anxiety and depression around as if it's common. While humans do feel those emotions, a true level of both impacting mental health is much different than feeling worried, sad or nervous. By making it more common place, we simply continue to ignore actual mental health issues.
No matter the age of an offender, even at 14, murdering anyone let alone the mother, needs to be kept away from the public permanently. What a rotten judicial system the UK has....Yes. divorce has a horrific impact on many children, but what he did, no! He can not be rehhabilitated.
Sidenote: The fact of the unusual high number of divirces today is more than concerning. I do mostly feel onlly sorry for the kids, they will suffer the most thankfully without this sad outcome here.
Best is to realize that marriage and traditional family life has died (in the western world at least) and construct your life another way.
The saddest thing for me was when Joe Geeling''s friend described the school kids lining the funeral procession and how small his casket was.
These parents contributed heavily to this boys neglect, abandonment. Never making sure he was adjusted, then calling him selfish.
It seems like the perfect storm. He is likely not a psychopath but sociopath.
Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made.
I was watching a video of a mother talking about her 14 yo daughter that k*lled herself and the first thing she said was "she was a very difficult person" well, no wonder why she isn't here anymore, the first thing she had to say about her dead kid was that she was "difficult"..yeah a child is like that for no reason at all for sure 🙄
@ horrible. I get at some point our children have to take responsibility for their own actions, but there is an age of accountability….. and children’s minds aren’t developed into their twenties.
I believe by the time they are 18 they have to start taking some responsibility, but until they are legally adults it’s our job to invest in their well being. How can we do that when we are consumed with ourselves. Having children is truly something that should lead us to become sacrificial in every aspect of ourselves. We chose to bring them here, they didn’t chose to come.
How is 16 years lifetime? Try 25 years with no parole.
Timestamp 1.35.Thank you for your generous spirit .I appreciate you ....!!!!!!!
This was excellent!! I learned a lot!
When a mother demeans and parentifies, competes with, bullies, mocks, denigrates a child until they snap, I'm surprised more kids haven't snapped.
When people have parents who are narcissists, borderlines, and psychopaths, that child is so traumatized they may snap.
In Daniels case it broke my heart to gear his dad say: No, I don't love him and honestly I think I never did.
I think there is that answer... I don't blame his dad for not loving him now but can you ever as a real parent say you NEVER LOVED your child??
And some professional mentioned a few minutes before: We don't know of it's a inherited trade (Pscyhopathy).
I'm not saying his dad is "sick" but... someone who can say that he never loved his child... maybe that emotional distance/incapability comes from his dad...
Again. Not blaming the dad...
But his sentence is blowing my mind. And this is coming from a mom of two who had postpartum depression...
Defecating in public is a sign of psychotic break. This child needed serious intervention.
Hind sight is 20/20. This family is not perfect, but they have all suffered. She could have showered him with everything he wanted, and the first time he was denied later in adulthood do the same thing.
Wait, no, most would not think, “Oh, kids…” Why? Because we’ve heard time and time again of the warning signs that point to endings like this is why. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing in America, though, although I’ve seen more and more of the behavior here elsewhere recently.
We see this happening very often in England and America..Child killers..
If someone looked at my search history it would be - she has an obsession with true crime including serial killers and up to date forensic techniques. Has talked about her desire to SQUEEZE cute little kittens and FLUFFY puppies (although has never ever done so) Is Autistic and claims to have heard garbled voices when younger.
I’m stuffed 😳
No. You're just creative and expressive.
It’s super nanny!!! Love her!
Surely these schools have a system for dealing with bullies?
Teachers know the children and can obviously know who is a bully and who is vulnerable.
Most teachers ignore it, and the ones that do anything it's normally very light punishment , then the bully is mad about getting into trouble and the bullying gets worse , I've seen it when I was in high school, I was friendly with one of the students that was bullied every single day and literally nothing was done about it, the kid was caught with a hit list of his bullies and was put out of school and all of his bullies had no consequences to their actions against him
I've never seen a school actually protect any child from bullies in the 55 years of my life.
As an employee of a school many years ago, I was told by a principal for ME TO STOP telling a boy “stop bullying”…… because of a lawsuit of me saying those actual words.
Wish I could go back in time and have faced that principal and that district with a strong backbone.
I was weak and now very ashamed.
@@caroldavis103That's what happens when you live in a society, where the laws are to protect the system, not people. You would have a different lawsuit if something were to happen to my child under your watch, trust me on that one. Always do the right thing, even when no one is watching, and especially when no one is watching.
No better person to host a program on children and their behaviors, mannerisms, actions, or reactions are the caregivers, day care, preschool, kindergarten, elementary aged children, tweens, teens, up to the age of 25 in all reality, include professors or adjunct faculty and Sunday school teachers. We are the constant observer. Never NoT listening to several conversations happening at once, watching for subtle to massive attitude/physical changes. Verbal usage. All must legally report all of these changes or complete stories children can’t wait to come into class just to tell you what happened in their house last night. Stories that would make you fearful to go shopping alone after dark knowing the people are capable of harming family and friends don’t think twice about attacking a stranger.
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If it wasn’t for Super Nanny, I wouldn’t be here. I missed you, Jo! But did not miss those screaming kids in this episode.
He should never be out of jail .Worrying about his brother especially
“ I don’t think I ever loved Daniel” Well there you have it.
That's because he was spoilt and never chastised for his behaviour. Nobody likes a spoilt brat
I did a presentation on child killers. Sorry but some kids are just bad seeds and people can sense it
@@suerichards47 THAT part!
Plus, as a step parent, love is not automatic.
There was another child. Remember that. Also, in blended families it takes time for a relationship to develop. His mere proximity doesn’t necessarily translate to love.
I’m sure he cared about all of them. He lost the woman that he loved. Daniel took her away.
Bullying needs to be STOPPED. Parents And school officials NEED to address this, a d DO something.
@@bonniealfaro44
How do you expect to stop bullying, as it’s in some children’s nature and has gone on since man was alive?!!
There is no utopian society, and never will be. The amount of $ poured into our school systems and they’re still crummy.
What to do about all the nutcase teachers that have no consequences?
Teaching about gender identity is super sick. Teachers over sexualizing our children!??
That’s recipe for disaster as well.
Have you seen the movie?
We have to talk about Kevin?
The book is far better!
I love Jo. Do bad Jo couldn’t get to all the family in need of help. She is amazing.
I wonder if kids ever had head injuries esp frontal cortex.
Did his bio father have any contact with him?
I’m not blaming the mom but come ON!
When a kid runs the house it’s gonna crash and burn somehow. The stepdad tried hard but the boy was the boss.
Was she the youngest killer in Britain? There was a much younger female killer, Mary Bell, I think.
Much better interview with Elizabeth. 👍 She used great control over excessive smiling and excitement she has displayed in the past. It's wonderful to be excited about your job and knowledge of content, but feeling empathetic for the victims is very important. 😢
They should never let them out
.whoa. who are the genius producers that came up with this? SuperNanny & killer kids.
Who better?
Oh how I love Jo!!
He sadly wanted attention from his mother but went about it in a terrible horrible wrong way.
I find the British psychologists to be utterly pathetic in their claims of " anger" and "extreme pain" that Daniel supposedly suffered from.
None of them are prepared to even begin to admit that Daniël is responsible for his choices,that he was obviously a terrible child.The pretence that a child is always innocent and hurt,never born bad,is so ridiculous.
The intimation that the divorce caused Daniel to be a manipulative,disgusting murderer,is utterly and shamefully ridiculous.
ANY change that Daniel did not like would have had him act like the murderous monster he is.
This is what happens when you don't use the naughty spot on your kids.
Exactly!
Time out?
@@llamamama2910yep. Supernanny called the timeout going to the naughty spot, depending on the age of the child. There was a naughty step, a naughty chair, a naughty room and a naughty spot, she'll use whatever you got to establish time outs.
@@llamamama2910 yep. You can use a naughty chair, a naughty step or a room. Wherever it's boring and they have to sit there for one minute per year of their own age and then apologize for what they've done. It only works if you get down to eye level first and use a stern tone to warn them before they misbehave.
With all Jo’s experience, I’m curious she’s ever came across a child that she would definitely have red flags that could be psychopathic.
I saw “Joe Frost“ and clicked on it right away
Poor boy hope he will rest in peace 😢😢😢❤❤❤
No mystery to this mom why the son blames his mother. Mothers always get the blame for children’s problems. From their children and society.
The adults are very cold toward his emotional health and well being.
If he's a psychopath, there's absolutely no way to rehabilitate a psychopath.
It seems like no one loved Daniel.
The adults are very cold toward his emotional health and well being.
If he's a psychopath, there's absolutely no way to rehabilitate a psychopath.
WOW.
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE JO.
I wish I had never watched Super Nanny when my children were young. I used her techniques to discipline them. They are teenagers now and I have so many regrets. Her style is too harsh. Yes, it gets results but at what cost? No child should be isolated and ignored when they are overwhelmed by emotions that they can’t regulate. It’s cruel.
What was the plan for after she was dead?
14 year olds don't plan ahead.
I believe Spare the Rod Spoil the child I have no children or a Rod so I'm set
Red flags everywhere and they didnt heed them
Commit and follow thru is saying the same thing
No it's not.
@ yes it is
he was a evil psychopath
This is what happens when you FAIL👎🏾 horribly at parenting.
Rather than setting; (rules, boundaries, limitations), your child is the one calling the shots.
No sympathy🖕for any one of these IDIOTS, your kids are your RESPONSIBILITY, not societies.
Harsh comment every child is different from birth. It's not an easy thing raising any child. I see there's more to their lives than what is summed up in such a short space of time. No one should judge what they haven't lived. 🎉
@@Razzledazzle1062the op is correct to an extent. It is a parents responsibility to set rules, boundaries and consequences. Allowing a child to rule the roost and do as they please is not helping them in any way! I also realize like nor parenthood comes with a manual. No parent is perfect.
When the stepdad started telling all the things he found in the boy's room previous to moving houses I was shocked...it was clear the neglect
It's interesting to see the nanny doing this sort of thing. She usually works with younger children and parents, etc. I don't know if she took all of the facts, it feels as though she is trying to see the kid as a little one that had a reason for doing what he did. I have never been a huge fan, but that's not to say that I don't think she knew what to do with toddlers however, I hope she realizes that not all kids are born normally pushing the boundaries.
She was AMAZING with teenagers!
Both of these kids fully inmersed themselves in violent video games, craved infamy, admired killers, and were deeply immersed in horror movies.
I love you Joe Frost!
The authorities and the communities were these children live, ignore - at the peril of the victims - that these children are * not born * killers, rather they are made by their environment; meaning they are made by their carers, through abuse and/or sheer neglect.
Is it normal, for example, that parents leave a child to his own devices, alone for days on end in his room, to consume who knows what material? Who guides these children? Who teaches them right from wrong? Children do not, they cannot, raise themselves.
These lone wolf-children are totally neglected, have zero parental guidance, and are allowed to fill their mind with the wrong information through which they learn to favor abhorrent experiences and thereby open their minds to demonic possession - this does exist, BTW, it does happen and it is nothing to take lightly or scoff at. Hence, in the case of this poor autistc child's case,for example, his «emerging» psycopathy and the schizophrenic «voices» and «laughter» this poor child was coping with.
The fifteen year old autistic child, for example, how come he developed an admiration for serial killers? How does that happen? Where did he get that information? Why was this child not reading and/or consuming more edifying material? Where were the parents of this poor child for 15 years?
The young girl from Belize, like the autistic child, is yet another example of someone who had not only to cotend with an absolutely appaling upbringing but was raised by a demon-posessed mother. No wonder this poor girl eventually became demon-posessed!, just as the woman who raised her was. 😢
Absolutely terrible parenting!
I feel as sorry for the victims of these little monsters as I feel sorry for the perpetrators.
Poor, poor children!
This. There's just so much that goes into things like this happening. Psychology 101
"Demon possession ". Uhuh.
Hearing Jo describe a youth as unhinged 😮
He showed NO remorse
“I don’t know if I ever loved him…” isn’t this part of the issue with Daniel.
I have lived a very happy and successful life as a single and childless adult. But, obviously, such dysfunction and mayhem affects everyone in community beyond the family involved.
Sooo many kids are isolated and gone down some radicalized media.
She was NOT capable of raising children. Instead of focusing on Daniel, she brought a stranger into the house and also changed his school. Danny experienced the change from a safe environment to a dangerous one. She was NAIVE. That doesn't justify what he did, but it shows the causes.
As the father bares no responsibility while living his new live without responsibility. Totally disagree this sounds like a bias and judgemental statement.
@@susieschilling4009 Of course the father is also responsible. But, he didn't brought a stranger in his kid's house. Saying " this sounds like a bias and judgemental statement" is n o t an argument. Let me know if you have any arguments.
The argument is- if the father, had done his partnered job of helping, to equally rear the child as opposed to leaving said naive mother, to the two-person task this may not have happened.
You missed the argument and your bias showed, as complete clemency of the father by neglecting, to mention the failure, is shared@@kingpriapatius5832
No it does not
In my experience, most parents are naive in some fashion or another. I do think she had some deficits and perhaps would never be a fantastic mother. My parents and many parents I know were naive and that led to difficulties if not trauma, but none of my friends or myself of course murdered our parents. I think this was a case of a mother whose mothering skills were wanting and a child who likely would have been a problem with the most perfect of parents. A perfect storm situation.
Wonder where the father was in all this. Looks like this kid needed some support. Easy to judge him, but hey, family break-up, Dad gone, change school, lose friends, get bullied, move house, new male in the house, new sibling, no wonder he came apart.
He had a frying pan in his room! What the heck!
Wish she did Jon Venables.