This man really said that sonic omens has the worst level design in a sonic game, like we're gonna completely shovel sonic forces, sonic boom and frontiers under the rug
I still just want to know why they named it Sonic 2020 originally even though they knew they were going to be doing episodic releases that likely would extend past 2020
@Boost Bracelet Or had no ideas for a title, it's pretty difficult to be original especially with OCs, name and all which I tried to think of something like Extreme The Peacock but many already came up with that.
and here's a pro-tip for any sonic fan game devs: don't crank up the motion blur and bloom to the max. it doesn't make your game look beautiful, it makes it ugly. and also, don't do that thing where the camera angle changes with even the slightest change in terrain. that just gives me motion sickness tbh.
I feel that, ever since Sonic Mania's success, I felt like the ego of fans towards fangames had inflated a lot and started thinking that fangames will surpass the official games and WILL be officially published by Sega for real. Also, speaking about Mania, people still treat Mania as a fangame that was just happened to be published officially rather than an official game with the involvement of official studios, unknowingly devaluing the devs as mere small fangame studios, rather than professional ones (which they are, ever since CD HD).
This a product of the bilateral mentality that plagues the public conciense, especially in countries like USA, there are many people that can't sing their praise without degradating something they don't approve. It gets worse when you consider imitative people and attention seeking types, since those are prone to repeat reductionist and easy to say takes, kind of like spreading memetic pollution and contaminating public perception.
It's kinda funny that this happened to Sonic but not to, say, Resident Evil considering the RE2 remake brought on devs who were making their own RE4-style RE2 remake before Capcom saw them and said ".......hey if you stop working on this we'll hire you to make the real thing." And then their talent combined with RE2 being RE7's engine but third person made it one of their best titles ever much like the original game. Capcom did it well before Sonic did, it's just nobody remembers this because RE doesn't exactly have any sort of modding community like Sonic does. The only time this was really more so still a fan game despite official involvement I'd say was Street Fighter X Mega Man, cause I dunno what sort of polishing Capcom themselves did when it looked pretty much done already.
@@luceromoreno9081 whitehead is a professional dev and sonic mania had like 3 other fucking studios working on it too. i don't see the "fangame" component in that
As a (somewhat notable?) Sonic fan-game developer and professional software engineer, I figured I'd leave my perspective: For me, the creation of Sonic fan-games has always been a means to get across my views on the Sonic franchise in terms of its gameplay, its approach to level design, etc. What Sonic is and what Sonic should be differs from fan to fan. This is not a new notion. Plenty of video essays have been made about what elements from different parts of the franchise could be combined and refined in order to create "the ideal Sonic experience." ShayMay, TheKazeBlade, the list goes on. To me, however, a video essay just is not enough in order to demonstrate what I believe Sonic gameplay should be like. It needs something playable. I made Sonic fangames not to get noticed and *certainly* not to make money, but to make a point. "Sonic can't work in 3D!" I made Green Hill Paradise. "The only way to get around in a VR game is to teleport, or you'll get motion sick!" I made Virtua Sonic. And for those who have their own opinions of what Sonic should be, I put together The Bumper Engine in an attempt to empower those fans with a framework to make their ideas a reality as well. This eventually resulted in the creation of Sonic GT, which used BE as its base. *To me, Sonic fan-games are about bettering yourself as a game designer while, at the same time, showing people that your vision for Sonic actually holds merit in a practical, playable setting and is worthy of being analyzed and discussed.*
and also a good idea of referencing something for officials to look off to if they get like it which helps both fans and the officials. Well that’s how I see it
Technically though...officials can’t. While they are just fan games built off Sega’s own assets, copyright lawsuits based off of stealing someone’s IDEA can be shaky legal ground that’s hard to navigate. Many companies discourage their creators from even looking at fanart and the like to prevent them from being accidentally influenced and potentially subject to liability. Sonic Team can be very nice to creators of fan game makers, but they still have to be careful about not taking an idea without credit
I get the reference but it’s a very bizarre excerpt to cite in this situation, for the most part the game doesn’t have an overreliance-of-stock-assets problem (the artstyle is more cohesive than Sonic 06 lol), it’s just that it has overexaggerated cinematic shaders and financial practices that aren’t really legal
this same case is happening with the new Sonic Prime teaser as well. Some fan makes an SFM Sonic animation: "oh my god this is so good and professional Sega hire this man!" The Sonic Prime teaser releases: "oh my god this is so bad it looks like a SFM animation and that's so bad!! Please follow me i do Sonic fan art"
@@nerov3402 well, in terms of physics and smaller nitpicks, no, but in terms of looks and actually giving half decent designs of levels, yes, not saying Forces is perfect, but you can tell what game had a bigger budget behind it.
it kinda blowed for me tbh. It kinda screamed "sonic forces was linear, so we made this oooooopen" and so the levels are clusterfucks where you get lost all the time
I fricking love it's engine, it's way better than infinity engine. I just prefer getting some momentum and enjoying speed rather than just repeatedly boosting and homing attacking enemies like in infinity engine.
Here's a friendly reminder that Freedom Planet started as a Sonic fangame and the devs realized they could make money off of it if they actually reworked it as an original game, which they did. The Sonic roots are very obvious but it still displays a lot of cool original ideas.
Plus, those character designs are fucking sick. It oozes style with the gameplay substance of a Treasure game with some of those bosses. I swear it's like Sonic and Gunstar Heroes had a dragon child.
Yea and also Spark the electric jester was made using the same engine as Sonic after the sequel bc the creator of that engine wanted to make his own game. Then he used his 3d engine hedge physics to make spark 2 and now 3.
This game definitely has that "Mario in Unreal Engine" vibe going on with a lot of flashy effects with sloppy execution. The design seems rough all around with the flaws and limitations of the boost formula on full display. And then of course the stuff going on with the creator ain't great. I think SomecallmeJohnny put it best, "Don't poke that bear." We don't know how close Sega is to start cracking down on these types of projects. Now fan games can be these cool passion projects that can be really fun to experience from the consumer's perspective but they're in a huge gray area that I wouldn't recommend anyone to make themselves due to their inherently risky nature even when you aren't directly profiting off of them. If you're going to do a project like this, make it an inspired spiritual successor like Freedom Planet or Spark.
I dont think it shows the flaws and limitations of the boost formula, it just shows how hard it is to make 3D levels for a character like sonic. Sonic is a speedy platformer and when you forcibly take away his speed to do slow platforming it takes his core gameplay away. Making him slower like mario can work but then he'd just be mario and thats what alot of peopled had an issue with in Lost world. They need a good blend between nice platforming like sa1 & generations with speed like sa2 & unleashed. But 3D sonic is just forever hard to do hence why they need more than 2 years to make a game. They had the same issues when making sa1 stated in an interview. I think channel pups video of his fan game really helps stress this point
@@demetriusnp49 That just isn't true lmao. Just because you don't like the games after Unleashed doesn't mean "Sonic has been in limbo". On another note, from what I can tell most people do Sonic fangames just because they've grown up with the character and love his gameplay and personality. It would feel off to just copy the gameplay and slap some new characters on it (basically the definition of a knockoff, actually).
Definitely a "style over substance" fangame. The style of the game looks like a bunch of Unity store assets imo. Has that indie game jam mindset: "just add bloom and post-processing effects until things look good".
@@evdestroy4121 I think there is a limbo, and it started with Lost World. Don't get me wrong, I liked Lost World, but I think that game is where the cynism for this franchise really stepped up.
I'm getting sick of promising-looking fan games that go nowhere and wind up dying in obscurity. Ever since the days of Blitz Sonic there have been cool engines with promise that go nowhere. But someday Sonic Utopia WILL happen.
The "Sega should learn from this" trope also seems to happen with many engines that only have ported stages from other Sonic games, if not only a test level.
@@ghostlywinds5334 It's true, we've seen what SEGA can do when they actually try and don't just pull another "screw it, classic sonic time" thing on us. While their are exceptions (Think Sonic Mania, Tee Lopez etc.) most fangame makers all do the same/similar things so no fangame really stands out more than the rest in terms of gameplay. At least in my opinion. Animators however, can bring amazing things to the table that we didn't already have. *See PFP for reference* Like how Monty Oum was taken in and essentially put RT on the grid, when their previous quality of work, while decent, saw a major uplift thereafter. (I know my reference isn't 100% relevant, but it's good enough for the point)
I mean look, the game isn't THAT good. It is very good though, mostly the first level. That is great. The rest is a bit rocky, with sloppy level design. But yeah the creators attitude has sort of killed my goodwill towards the game.
Yeah. Honestly, the Sonic fangames only have like a 5 day traction before the novelty dries up. Not to say all of them suck, but only the diehard fans are gonna preach it. But those games can become those like Hat in Time, Shantae and Undertale in terms of presence. But, it’s harder than you think to make the game you wanna make. And the reason is for it to be the game that tells a vision, the hardest obstacle is identity execution. I feel that’s why a lot of the Sonic fangames while interesting...fails and dries up after a day or two. Some of the games try too hard to be ‘THAT’ game that Sega should’ve made.
Have you guys seen the Sonic fan game being made by TrippleJaz? He’s clearly a fan of the series and its taking HUGE inspiration from Junio’s Sonic. He’s actually streaming occasionally animating the intro cutscene. Pretty “jazzy” 😏 (I’m so sorry...or am I?) It has potential so we’ll have to see. I’m gonna need a video on it Splash Dash when it releases 😏
I don't think it's a minority since many youtubers really amplify the Hire this man mentality. After Sonic Mania people think it's easy to make an enjoying game, while Taxman and Stealth had YEARS of experience
Don't worry, I heard he got permission a friend of a friend's friend's twice removed 7th cousin's grandpa who knows a shady guy who works at SEGA to do this totally not illegal and moronic act.
i now feel bad for SEGA having they're employees get this stuff recommended and then read the comments and see people praising the game too much and ignoring it's flaws.
You might be right, but that'd be mostly because SEGA's an official company while Omen's made by fans. Fangames have way lower standards to be met as they're way lower budget and exist just to show a proof of concept most of the time. Mainline Sonic games have much better quality than games like Omen (other than in the level design possibly, although Omen has weird design at parts too), but these 3D fangames are still praised more, since they show how much can be done by a non-official team, especially in parts like level and character design.
@@sasdagreat8052 That's a problem in this fandom: regardless of context, you can say fan projects are just as good or better than official games but not worse.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Well yeah; it helps never to say a fangame's overall *better* than official games, but instead to just say where it excels compared to them, and how impressive the project is considering the budget. That's what we want in the end, after all: proving a certain level of quality can be expected, and expecting the Sonic Team to learn what the majority of fans want.
I don't even think it's fair to compare fangames to official games, since fangame creators have basically an infinite window of time to work on a singular game, whilst SEGA has like a couple years or so to push something out amongst a slew of other projects
Every time I hear something along the lines of “Sega take notes” I lose a solid month of my lifespan. I used to say shit like that too and that’s the worst part
The difference is, you learn to move past the bias and own up to your past self's way of thinking.. Tons of people haven't yet and probably never will.
@@tizoh9776 Also fans have plenty of time to bug test and plan out their fan games right? SEGA and Team Sonic have a time limit given and because they use advance hardware and so many departments that have to be on track with each other, it's much easier for something to go wrong with triple A games than fan games
I used to say shit like that too in the past. Nowadays, I lose a solid brain cell anytime I see someone shit on Sega going all "hire this man", "take notes, Sega", or "ThIs Is HoW yOu Do It". Just cut them some slack, jeez. I know y'all are disappointed after the whole "Forces" incident, or the "oh no, glitchy colors ultimate" scenario, but that doesn't mean you people should pull this crap. Plus, with colors ultimate, blind squirrel was also at fault, not just Sega. Colors is literally Iizuka's baby, this shit would never have flied if it was just Sega/Sonic Team working on the remaster, at least I think. Sorry, didn't mean to rant for this long. Just trying to relate and empathize with what you said, hope you understand.
@@bartvshomer that’s the thing it “LOOKS” better, but looks it all it really has. It’s nothing but style and no substance, basically a baland wonderland 2.0
@@locomotivo4644 Fan animators like BalenaProductions and MugiMikey make money from their Sonic animations and have patreon pages yet they get a pass from the community. Remix artists and fan comic creators also do the same. Should they be shut down just because SEGA sells music and makes revenue off their animation projects like Team Sonic Racing Overdrive and Sonic Mania Adventures? No, no they shouldnt. The answer is SEGA doesnt CARE to shut them down either because these people represent no financial threat. Form your own opinion, stop letting others tell you how to think. Oh and edit: Sonic Omens is free to download, you're not required to pay to play it. So the donations are OPTIONAL.
@@alternatenican How do YOU know what SEGA does and doesnt care more about? If SEGA cared more about fan games then why do they have a history of actively helping fan game devs whether they get donation money or not?
@@KinotheHedgehog I mean Sega did shutdown fangames that were a direct threat to there own games like the Streets of Rage fan remake as there were still selling the original.
The best part of this game is that they stored the files on a discord server I was in, and the server got raided and then deleted. And Bolt said Sonic 2020 was "canceled" a week or two after, I'm kind of shocked the game is back. Oh yeah also on the server he uploaded basically pirated sonic IDW comics. Just kind of thought that was funny
@@mizzix The same type of person who stores evidence of their criminal organization on their laptop. You'd be surprised how ridiculous these pirates are. The only thing bigger than their ego is their stupidity.
You mean, he didn't have any sort of backups or anything? This would be like if I left all my important documentation in an RV in the parking lot of a store with 24 hour parking
@@jennytulls6369 I remember from a twitter post he made that he didn't lose quite everything, twitter.com/BOLT59117837/status/1293560271127089154 this explains it little bit easier
Ironically, the best motion blur comes naturally when playing a game at 60+ FPS, with the actual motion blur effect completely turned off. I was told by multiple professors that the human eye can’t process anything more than 24 FPS, which I seriously doubt, but I can definitely see that the motion blur my eye perceives at extremely high frame rates is much more natural and appealing than the motion blur processing effect in Unreal Engine. Personally, I think even playing 30 FPS games with motion blur turned off produces a more appealing blur than the post-processing effect. The console versions of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order demonstrate this quite well.
@@JeffreyThrash Actually the human eye doesn't have a consistent framerate, every individual receptor of the eye updates independently from each other at a frequency of around 75Hz, and in return the eye as a whole tends to have a frequency of around 100-120Hz (it could be more but usually isn't)
Sonic fans when an early demo for Frontiers: mid :( Sonic fans when the exact same fucking thing, but a fan made it: OMFG, this is PERFECT, SEGA, HIRE THIS MAN, FIRE SONIC TEAM, HE WILL SINGLEHANDEDLY SAVE YOUR COMPANY
Well that's kinda the problem with all somic games especially 3d..how do you make playing as a god fun? Why do you think theres no flash videogame? His powers would remove all challange. That's why I say some fan games are on par or slightly better compared to what sega makes. Cuz I noticed as I was watching videos that the game does have the same problems as other offical sega games. But again people havediffrwnt ideas on what is fun
I saw the footage and just wanted to know why the game keeps slowing down When you grab a pully, when you use the cool tether thing, even something as common as destroying a badnik
Yeah, I always ask that same question whenever I see a new game of any kind, no matter what it is or who it's actually from. I can't trust developers anymore, fan or official.
@@unknownwill4th549 No, that's just simply because the game is awesome to play, has an amazing atmosphere and an awesome artstyle. Has nothing to do with graphics.
I wonder what his next video will be about I really hope it some more of that obscure shit that nobody talks and cares about except him Now that is what really ROCKS MY SOCKS OFF
Well Geez...I actually really like how this fan game plays, for a sucker of the boost games, it was easy and fun for me to adjust. But after seeing what they're doing with it/what bolt's doing with it. I ain't gonna look at it the same way. It sucks that something that I actually thought was a passion project is being used like that.
I think it's dumb people dont want to let him mke money of is passion as long as the game is free at the end of the day noboady Care that if you liked it you Can give money if you didn't then dont
@@slimboarder.o7 but they're using assets from sega's games and making money off of it? I'm pretty sure you can get sued for that, this isn't a passion project it's being used for selfish purposes while profiting off of reused assets listen you might've grown a pair of balls to realize you were wrong 5 months later (unless u were trolling) but when I see someone making an argument that can easily be countered I take that opportunity
I feel the main reason this fangame gets so much praise kinda comes from the fact Sega hasn't release a good new sonic game in quite some time (most recent was Forces, and that one wasn't much good at all). People are still waiting for Sega to even announce the next game, so they basically saw with rose-tinted glasses and overhype it.
I noticed with fangames it get instant praise and approval from fans and critics with the generic "better than SEGA" nomatter what the quality of it is, but if it's official than fans and critics are way more critical of it
@@sonicfan1984 Yep, i played a lot of 3D fan games and even something impressive as Sonic GT pales in comparison to the Sega works, even the worst ones
these games aren't being praised by their own merits but are just being held up as a "Take that" regardless of the games quality? Kinda mixed messaging
I agree with you on the part where fan game creators shouldn't take advantage of SEGA being chill with fan games, just because they aren't Nintendo doesn't mean they'll let stealing their IP for your own profit slide, it's a dick move if you ask me
Damn, man. I actually super enjoyed Omens, and it was everything I wanted in a Sonic game. High speed gameplay, characters with different abilities, boost gameplay with actual control over Sonic, I was super enjoying it. I didn't know there was all this drama about the game, mainly because I had to skip on 2020 thanks to my PC's... Less than sufficient specs at the time. Sad to hear there's all this BS going on behind the scenes, cause this game was closer to my ideal for a Sonic game than anything else I'd played so far.
@@thetbhresistance7042 Played the full game. Obviously the tree climb level and Shadow's poison swamp were too slow paced, and the GUN Training Facility had its issues, but for the most part I found the game to be super fun.
My God, THANK YOU. I've never understood all the buzz about this game for so long but never spoke up about it! I don't think the game is awful, but I go insane every time people are like "DUDE! DUDE! THIS GAME IS SO GOOD MAN! IT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING SEGA COULD MAKE!"
Yes, exactly. This is what I don't get about fangames. I thought fans are tired of the boost formula, but if it's made by a fan then it gets instant praise and approval despite its issues or quality. The game looks cool in terms of presentation and visuals, but gameplay and level design I don't see how this is better than what SEGA already done with Unleashed and Generations and those games came out 10+ years ago.
@@sonicfan1984 its the same with adventure, fans have different taste and they want to be appealed to. The problem is every fan thinks they speak for the fan base
The thing about literally any fan game for me is that people praise it and make it seem so good, yet I know full well if it was an official game they would hate it or go “eh, it’s mediocre”
The praise for the original bothered me all the time, because the game looks prettier than it does to play - and fangames of all series seem to love this "graphics over quality" mindset. Just because it had "good lighting," unique cutscenes, and original voice over, albeit questionable voice over, doesn't make it the best thing in Sonic in 10 years. Also, aside from this game, the "good lighting" in all these games looks absolutely terrible. Darks are too darks, lights are too light, bloom is overwhelming. Lighting doesn't equal good, especially when it's just intense for intensity's sake. And then Omens starts doing the rounds, and I see people saying the guy has a patreon, and I'm like... "Wait... That's illegal!" The whole reason Sega let us away with these games is based on that one simple principle - don't monetize the game. Aaron Webber himself said it on a livestream on the official Sonic channel once, I'm pretty sure - it's SUCH a simple ask. We've been directly told not to do this and we can keep making games. Patreon absolutely goes against that, and I'd go as far as to say that even making one and saying it's for "other projects" is still sort-of dodgy, as people might support a person solely because of the Sonic content they made, even if they aren't constantly updating it or promoting it.
Fans when SEGA reuses Green Hill: "Ugh, do something else already." Fans when projects reuse Green Hill: "OMG THIS IS AMAZING, SEGA NEEDS TO HIRE YOU!" Fans when the Egg Dragoon showed up in Forces: "Ugh, why are you reusing this boss again?" Fans when it appeared in Omens: "DUUUUUDE, IT'S THE EGG DRAGOON, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" I wouldn't be surprised if the final boss of the complete version was the 3rd rehash of the Nega Wisp Armor, to where people lose their shit on it like they've done with everything else.
I don't get how anyone can say anything like, "Wow, this game looks official!" when the visuals reek of amateur Unreal Engine 4 tech demo vibes. My first thought when seeing the newest trailer was that it reminded me of that one Unreal Engine 4 video that has Sonic's model from Brawl plopped into a grassy field with realistic deer prancing around. There are so many other fan games out there that are of much higher quality and have stronger, more distinct art styles. Why are people so easily impressed with Sonic Omens? The discourse surrounding this fan game is proof to me that maybe it's a good thing SEGA don't listen to fans that closely.
Yea and don't get me wrong the game looks good but not like how some peot are saying I think my only complaint would be the running animation from videos I've seen the animation looks kinda wonky at timss like how when you move sonic right or left I can't explian it really well.
Yeah but people aren’t complaining about it because it’s kind of a rip off people, people are complaining that they’re monetizing it that’s the difference. like splash is not saying that you guys shouldn’t put your money in this because it’s a bad product he saying it’s bad because it’s making money and that’s about it
@@slimboarder.o7 How so? Yandere Simulator to a lot of people feels that their getting rip off For sonic omens people are mad at The developers for making money off their Patreon So how are they similar?
The creator of the engine itself said the engine probably isn't suited for an actual game, yet the omens devs ignore that and slap on lens flare and terrible level design and all of a sudden Sonic kids are praising it as the best Sonic game of all time lol
to me i feel like ppl saying about mania that "fans can make better than SEGA-" but like if sega never funded it the game woulda never- existed? so sega was needed for mania to exist-
On the one hand, the officials in charge made arbitrary mandates to use more unoriginal zones in the game against the developers wishes, but on the other, anyone with eyes that's actually beaten the game and watched the credits would know that a LOT of people were needed to develop this game, like any other average official release.
@ this comment is over 2 years old (I also am a forces enjoyer), I do let people play what they like the “fan” in the original comment was meant to be the extreme sides Also SRB2 is hard but it makes sense to be as it was made for people who have played classic sonic since the genesis and even then I don’t see how that even makes sense to this topic at hand from a 2 year old comment that has 5 likes and no replies that very well looks like it was made by a bot
I couldn't have said it better. Also, If you say "Hire this man", please remember how a company works. I feel like the main reason why people praise this game is because it has cutscenes and an actual story, which most fangames don't have.
Sonic Eclipse Online does the same thing but it's even worse since there's one playable level, that you have to pay 5 dollars for. And they make the shit excuse of "Sega doesn't care about Sonic"
"SeGa HiRe ThIs MaN!!1!1!11111!11!" And then when SEGA hires him and makes a good game, then after some time everyone would say "UnFaIr It ToOk A fAn To Do It!!11!111!11"
or they say that it doesn't count because it's made by fans. I've seen fans say that Mania doesn't count and treat Mania like it's a fangame that is published by SEGA rather than an official game with the involvement of Sonic Team and SEGA
I said this on Twitter and I’ll say it again “This looks like one of those dumb “HiRe Me *game company*” things where they slap some random model into Unreal Engine, only they went through the trouble of making an actual stage along with it, what makes this special?”
The game doesent even look that good too,it looks like a more extended version of forces,I get annoyed seeing comments like this,just because the game did something sonic never did doesent mean it's automatically perfect
And the title has nothing wrong, is the fan game impressive? Absolutely the presentation is super high for the fan game but everything else falls apart
The double standards the sonic fandom shows at times between fan games and official games is baffling. In an official game, every possible mistake or flaw or pitfall, no matter its size, is another excuse to tear into Sonic Team and mock them for their choices, yet when a fan-game falls into those same pitfalls, the game and its developers are immediately coddled by mountains of excuses and damage control. "They're a new team, not everything is gonna be perfect on their first try!" "It's still in its early stages, of course its gonna be rough! Things will get better eventually!" If this were Sonic Team making that same 'Omens' game, or something similar but slightly more polished, these same people would brush the game off as trash based on nothing but two minutes of gameplay they see on youtube. I am tired of the "Hire this man!" mentality that plagues every video showcasing the latest mediocre fan game of the week. If these projects that supposedly showcase what Sonic could be capable of aren't held to the same criteria and scrutiny as the SEGA-published stuff, then the Sonic Team critics and fans of unofficial stuff are no better than the "blind Sega fanboys" they so often mock for the same attitude they're displaying towards fan content.
God, your comment perfectly explains how I feel lol The same people saying "Hire this man" would tear into Sega if they released a game like this. I'm convinced the only people defending this game are kids who haven't even played the game and wanna defend it because it looks pretty.
@@lucylu3342 And this “Hire this man!!” problem stems from Sonic’s quality assurance problem. The distrust between the community and SEGA has gotten so big that the fans have developed double standards. We would praise ANYTHING that isn’t SEGA’s handy-work because we don’t trust them anymore.
I feel like ever since Mania got released, the ego of fans towards fangames has flourished a lot, and the _"fans"_ started thinking that fangames are better than the official games and will be officially published by SEGA, for real.
@@tiruliru1189 I am certain that when the first gameplay for the 2022 game is shown, there will be several hundred comments proclaiming how "Omens/Utopia/other fan-game is so much better and it wasn't even developed by Sega!", ignoring all the rough parts and flaws those games have as well, or how the development process differs between fan-made and official.
to be fair, most fangames are just made by some college dude or someone with a passion. They're just havin fun with what they have to work with. I do think people take it way too far with the "hire this man" bullshit
People need to decide if they want fangames to be small time things that are one offs or just tech demos or if they want fangames to be actual descriptions of what they want official Sonic to be. If the community wants these fan games to be actual messages to SEGA on what we like and need we can't keep cutting them so much slack and ending every criticism with "but for a fangame it's good". We need to be harsh, we need to be stern, and we need to treat this as if we were consumers deciding the face of the Sonic we want portrayed. You can't have your cake and eat it too, you can't say your fangame is a big project trying to make an impact and then when it comes to the community you make sure no one treats you as anything other than a humble fangame designer.
Even before mania people were always like "ThIs Is So GoOd!! SeGa HiRe ThIs MaN!!" But in reality so few fangames have ever reached a point where I can genuinely say they match or exceed the quality of the official games. I've been pretty active in the sonic fan-game community, used to do a video series on it a long time ago. But the main problem was I'd get requests for ones and they were all either just tech demos with no levels or not very good. Nobody pays attention to the REALLY good ones. My favorite has always been Sonic Robo Blast 2. It's my favorite sonic game (yes that means my favorite sonic game is a fangame) But I'm not under the illusion that it's suddenly better than every single sonic game and that sega should hire STjr.
SRB2 took 11 years to reach the level it has today. It's seen a large amount of creators come and go and has been a collaboration project so huge and I don't think I've ever seen anything like it in a fan community. and even now people ignore it and just play the SRB2Kart mod and never play the base game. Oh yeah and they never once asked for donations and it has been a passion project through and through. What they've done is inspiring and I wish more people would pay attention to that, instead of the easy click-bait ones like "BEST SONIC GAME IN YEARS???" "BOOST DONE RIGHT??" ugh I both love and hate the sonic community sometimes. At least we have the luxury of being able to have this many fangames and mods.
@@RetroRampage sooner or later fans are going to get that privilege taken away from them if they keep this up. Fans mock SEGA for being cool with the fans making their own fangames because "SEGA is incompetent and can't make good games, so they rely on fans to do the job for them" but if SEGA is pulls a Nintendo and become more strict with fangames then fans will be like "SEGA is just jealous or intimidated because they know that fans can do a better job then them." It's a lose-lose situation, fans will always paint SEGA as a villian even when they try to do good for the community
@@sonicfan1984 The reason why fans paint SEGA as the bad guy is because of the quality assurance problem Sonic has been having for *20 years* Since there is so much distrust, the “fans” will praise anything that isn’t SEGA, even if it’s the next Sonic 06.
As a fan game creator people do go overboard some times, I don't encourage those comments but they are welcome for recognizing my hard work and passion.
This reminds me of how pokemon fans see pokemon fan games. Like, a lot of fan games boast about having a mature story, original pokemon, and challenging difficulty. But it ends up absolute shit and too tryhard. Yet fans still hype up these games and praise how the fan games are doing a better job than the real games. Just something I noticed
this whole thing reminds me of the “Nintendo hire this man!” fiasco, where a mario model in a grassy field was considered the greatest videogame since uncharted 4
You do bring many great points! I did praise it a while ago without really playing it and now I wish I did (or wish I had time to at least). I regard it highly mostly because it’s just oozing with potential. Mostly in characterization and the animation. Like if the game was refined and trimmed a bit with many bugs fixed and level layout I bet the game would be a hit! It’s just potential for now though.
I like to talk about games without the creators in mind because it kind of ruins the game but I believe no one should be acting as scummy as the creator. But that’s what you help with, you bring us, your loyal followers, into the light being shund upon by Sonic
@@dangarbagecanman Knowing that you must live with the knowledge that you made such a terrible joke, I believe your suffering would be greater if I let you continue living.
I mean to be fair it can't be worse than the already existing Babysitting Cream now can it? (also the real question should be when is Iizuka finally going to drop the Sonic Love Sim he is working on since 1998/s)
i love the irony of the fact if sega actually hired this man he'd make even shittier games than sonic team already does and people would complain and then repeat the cycle with another game that looks good in twitter videos but plays horribly
Sonic fanbase sometimes put the fangames in a type of pedestal, so one day, I decided to download the most interesting looking from these no comentary channels on youtube and test the games for myself, well the 3D ones are just one or two levels, with usually some (or a lot) bugs in the gameplay but I think they have really a lot of potential...
You played Sonic GT yet? Shit slaps, a little confusing later on in terms of design but it’s still made well. Other than SRB2 open-ish levels have never been done before so I give it a little wiggle room on that
@@demigodstudios I Roboblast 2 with a friend and damn that game is amazing, but I didn't have the chance to play Sonic GT, writing down your recommendation
Fans always praise the next Sonic fangame as "better than what SEGA can do" and that "SEGA should be ashamed that fans can make better games". Yeah, the game looks good visually but that's pretty much it.
@@nman551 defending?!.... Lmao no the internet has a tendency of being overly to the left or right just becasue of what someone did (if the majority say somthing is good then there will always be a small minority thats overly critical and vice versa) . And no im not " gonna defend the dev" cuz he's scummy its just vary obvious that the man wanted to hate on the game and the whole patreon controversy just give him the perfect opportunity. But to bash a game solely on the fact that the dev did somthing bad and not on the actuall quality of the game is vary bias imo but thats just me :/
Thanks for this vid mate, you've perfectly summed up what we've been fighting for the last few days. Let's hope we can continue to enjoy fangames. Good job!
When I read some comments in a few videos about how this game looks so professional, and even better than sonic unleashed, or how this puts sega to shame, I would tell myself: "are these people blind! This game needs hell of a lot more polishing before it starts looking decent." Kinda how some people think mario on unreal engine looks good. Makes me question if they can actually see correctly.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 but its still hard to separate this things, I would never like yandere Simulator because of yandere dev (good thing the game sucks) Edit: agr q eu percebi q vc é brasileiro e meu inglês foi atoa '-'
Although I did the same, I still stand by some points like it honestly being on par with what sega spews out if anything. Cones with sane problems other ganes had and all
If these people become the cause of SEGA to start eliminating fangames, they will go from being the most loved to being the most hated (And with good reason)
I’m glad you made a video on this, cause I was so confused seeing this game in my sub box despite it literally having a patreon for it, which isn’t legal at all. I don’t really have any thoughts on the game itself cause it actually ran really bad on my pc, despite having the right specs for it.
I mean if i had to say personally, its the best fangame out rn and the closest to an official game any fangame has done so far so it deserves its praise. Yall are saying all this without realizing its a fangame. Ofc its gonna be sloppy when its not official. Thats what makes it so good. Its not official and they STILL did this good. But the real kicker is that you ppl are out here saying hes getting money off it. Thats not true. I got it for free like many others did
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 Plenty of other fangames that were made by other people on the same engine and never left the testing phase had the same "quality" as Omens. Granted yeah, props to the team for releasing about 3 episodes already on this engine that isn't finished and neither optimized for full releases. They did a great job making the game look beautiful. And that's all, 4k graphics, lots of motion blur and bloom doesn't make up for sloppy game design. Controls that doesn't even feel right to play, levels with awful design, the same 4k quality that's the main thing you see tends to mess you up while playing, etc. And that goes without saying Bolt making profit out of a fangame. Copyright laws are a thing y'know. People are mindlessly praising this game as "eVeN bEttEr tHan SeGa's wOrk" without even knowing an inch of it. And to be honest, this doesn't even compete with official releases such as Lost World and would even date to say Forces or Colors. Praise the game when it has gotten better, just like this update, but criticize as like it is. A game.
@@justarandomguy378 Nah ill praise the game for being a fangmae cause thats all it is. A fangame. So judge it as such. And its not all graphics. The boost was replicated fine, the homing attack was replicated fine, the stomp, the sliding. Anything sonic does in his games was replicated fine. So how is it just graphics? Anyways any harsh judgment goes out the window when you realize its a fangame with a small team. No duh it wasnt gonna be all that great but its AMAZING for being a fangame and getting to the level its at with boss fights, cutscenes, voice acting and everything. Plus again, im mainly here because of the li es.
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 All you are talking about is the controls. THE GAME DEV DIDNT MAKE THOSE. This made in a fan engine. Also, if it is being given money (EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULDN’T), it should be judged as more than a fan game. And as a game, it has abysmal level design.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte cant compare them. Thats like saying call of duty is better street fighter. And why is everyone ign oring the main point?
You want to know what the actual best Sonic Fan Game is that NO ONE is talking about? Sonic Venture Plus on Dreams for PS4 *TRUST ME* *THIS IS WHAT SONIC NEEDS* *I PROMISE IF YOU PLAY IT YOU WILL BE BLOWN AWAY, THE GAME NEEDS MORE ATTENTION.*
thats so crazy you mention that game cause i been uploading videos on it recently lol but yeah i agree completely, sonic venture plus on dreams is actually incredible and no one talks about it...
Just going to go on record here and say that Sega treats their fanbase MUCH BETTER than Nintendo ever will. Fanmade videos on UA-cam? Copyright claim or strike. Fanmade game? Full-on DMCA. Anything else fanmade? Any combination of the two. As opposed to Sega, who doesn't do any of that, and even sees the potential in their fanbase and what they can do, and isn't afraid to let them take the reigns of the series from time to time. After all, Taxman and Stealth were once fan creators just like the rest of us, then they got handed the job of making a new Sonic game, and we all know what came of that: SONIC MANIA, a major contender for best game in the series. So whether the fanbase ends up helping or hurting itself with it's own creations, you gotta give Sega some credit for not being a bunch of copyright nazi's like Nintendo usually is, and allowing their fanbase to spread their creative wings and show what they can do. Sega truly does what Nintendon't.
@@kamsienyioha4574 Nintendo NEVER gave people freedom. They're bi-polar when it comes to UA-cam, but they're LEAGUES above what the Creator's Program did, aside from trying to stomp out music channels. R.I.P. BrawlBRSTMs3 X
Maybe fangames get more praise because people acknowledge it's an impressive feat for just 1 person/small team/amateurs making a game in their spare time, compared to a professional, full-time team with way more access to resources?
@@superultramegasonic1 Fan made games are basically the equivalent of indie game developers, except on already familiar materials. I'm not saying bashing Sega is right or that fan game devs are always better, but I feel that the praise for fan games probably come more from respect for what they are achieving (i.e. having the passion and dedication to do something out of their free time with very little/no financial gain simply because they love it), which is something that is more easy to admire than someone (i.e. employee at Sega) doing their job for the money. Of course, it doesn't mean Sega employees have no passion, but the spirit definitely feels different.
@@superultramegasonic1 Plus, people can often communicate directly with fan game devs, and know that the devs are aware of their existence and know that the devs are individual people with feelings just like me and you on the internet. People are gonna be nicer. Sega is a big corporate team and the person managing the social media is not the dev who builds the game. It's faceless, so it's easier to bash.
I feel like it would be way less scummy if the patreon was purely for the creator and doesn't have anything to do with sonic fan game or goals to add features for the game. I don't think he should be relying on people's nostalgia for another game but his own talent and intellectual property in the future. Id love the team to do something like Freedom Planet or Spark the Electric Jester, make a game that is wholly original but uses the elements we love in sonic games with new settings and characters.
Using Patreon as a personal donation pool isn't really a problem. That should be encouraged. But that only should be done after one has build enough a reputation through their own projects or build enough of a fanbase. The issue, like you stated, is that studios like Oroboros, Arc Forged & other inde devs want to skip all that by making ONE good fangame, make it really popular and then profit off that social media clout for a while. Even if the donations go to a non-fan game cause, it's already tainted by the fact that it wasn't earned through good will, but through cheap hype.
Who would have thought this would actually be relevant today AND that SplashDash would be right about it (I mean more than what he already was at the time)...
Sonic fangames often have a problem with useless enemies that basically do nothing. Presenting no challenge to the player the enemies can often be ran past or jumped over with ease, it's just bad game design.
Yeah, there's quite a bit of double standards when it comes to fan games too. People claim they're getting sick of Green Hill Zone, but that's in at least half of them. People claim they're sick of the Egg Dragoon, but here it is, front and center. I don't even know why the Enerbeam or Forces OCs came back. I bet if this project is finished and the final boss is another Nega Wisp Armor clone, people will go wild over it.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 I have, suffice to say the first few levels start off okay but then everything nose dives once you have to do an unfun plane level with awful collision detection and a tree level where Boost Sonic's control scheme does not mesh well with. Platforming is not Boost's greatest strength, so it was pretty infuriating to have sonic zip off a ledge and fall all the way down to the bottom and lose 5 minutes of platforming. Then after that you have to do ANOTHER plane level and at that point I realized I just wasn't even having fun at that point. The level design becomes awful, and I can only assume they spent more time making the game shiny and pretty than they did on the gameplay of this game.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Of course I did, and I keep playing it everyday because it's this fun, the only people who hate it are the ones who didn't play it.
@@lucylu3342 Gameplay variety? Difficulty? Not allowing me to boost to win? Oh, the horror! Maybe you're just a shit player and are shifting the blame to the game. There isn't even another Tails level after the tree one, seems to me like you didn't play the game at all.
The Full Sonic Omens Game came out, I made a new video above it, go watch! ua-cam.com/video/ZGvMv6sWAoM/v-deo.html
nice, good job mar- I mean splash dash
This man really said that sonic omens has the worst level design in a sonic game, like we're gonna completely shovel sonic forces, sonic boom and frontiers under the rug
@@ike.0037 frontiers did not release😑
YOUR A HATER and sonic fan game,s is what made the sonic fandom what it is and you can't change that about it and do that with your fandom
I still just want to know why they named it Sonic 2020 originally even though they knew they were going to be doing episodic releases that likely would extend past 2020
Top 10 mysteries that may never be answered
Probably just a placeholder title.
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola Wait, was that before or after it became Sonic Omens?
EYYYYYYY BILLEH BAWBB
@Boost Bracelet Or had no ideas for a title, it's pretty difficult to be original especially with OCs, name and all which I tried to think of something like Extreme The Peacock but many already came up with that.
and here's a pro-tip for any sonic fan game devs: don't crank up the motion blur and bloom to the max. it doesn't make your game look beautiful, it makes it ugly. and also, don't do that thing where the camera angle changes with even the slightest change in terrain. that just gives me motion sickness tbh.
I'd also like it if the camera didn't shake when boosting like the cameraman just got slapped in the back of his head.
"Wdym? Just slap some unreal engine or unity engine and the game will be good!"
thanks for the tip I’ll make one eventually
I feel that, ever since Sonic Mania's success, I felt like the ego of fans towards fangames had inflated a lot and started thinking that fangames will surpass the official games and WILL be officially published by Sega for real. Also, speaking about Mania, people still treat Mania as a fangame that was just happened to be published officially rather than an official game with the involvement of official studios, unknowingly devaluing the devs as mere small fangame studios, rather than professional ones (which they are, ever since CD HD).
This a product of the bilateral mentality that plagues the public conciense, especially in countries like USA, there are many people that can't sing their praise without degradating something they don't approve.
It gets worse when you consider imitative people and attention seeking types, since those are prone to repeat reductionist and easy to say takes, kind of like spreading memetic pollution and contaminating public perception.
It's kinda funny that this happened to Sonic but not to, say, Resident Evil considering the RE2 remake brought on devs who were making their own RE4-style RE2 remake before Capcom saw them and said ".......hey if you stop working on this we'll hire you to make the real thing." And then their talent combined with RE2 being RE7's engine but third person made it one of their best titles ever much like the original game.
Capcom did it well before Sonic did, it's just nobody remembers this because RE doesn't exactly have any sort of modding community like Sonic does.
The only time this was really more so still a fan game despite official involvement I'd say was Street Fighter X Mega Man, cause I dunno what sort of polishing Capcom themselves did when it looked pretty much done already.
@@luceromoreno9081 whitehead is a professional dev and sonic mania had like 3 other fucking studios working on it too.
i don't see the "fangame" component in that
Wow, someone else who is actually well informed on Mania's devs
@@jaimeantonioolaguezchirino5805 Holy shit you almost just summarized the entirety of twitter
As a (somewhat notable?) Sonic fan-game developer and professional software engineer, I figured I'd leave my perspective:
For me, the creation of Sonic fan-games has always been a means to get across my views on the Sonic franchise in terms of its gameplay, its approach to level design, etc. What Sonic is and what Sonic should be differs from fan to fan. This is not a new notion. Plenty of video essays have been made about what elements from different parts of the franchise could be combined and refined in order to create "the ideal Sonic experience." ShayMay, TheKazeBlade, the list goes on. To me, however, a video essay just is not enough in order to demonstrate what I believe Sonic gameplay should be like. It needs something playable.
I made Sonic fangames not to get noticed and *certainly* not to make money, but to make a point.
"Sonic can't work in 3D!"
I made Green Hill Paradise.
"The only way to get around in a VR game is to teleport, or you'll get motion sick!"
I made Virtua Sonic.
And for those who have their own opinions of what Sonic should be, I put together The Bumper Engine in an attempt to empower those fans with a framework to make their ideas a reality as well.
This eventually resulted in the creation of Sonic GT, which used BE as its base.
*To me, Sonic fan-games are about bettering yourself as a game designer while, at the same time, showing people that your vision for Sonic actually holds merit in a practical, playable setting and is worthy of being analyzed and discussed.*
and also a good idea of referencing something for officials to look off to if they get like it which helps both fans and the officials. Well that’s how I see it
Technically though...officials can’t. While they are just fan games built off Sega’s own assets, copyright lawsuits based off of stealing someone’s IDEA can be shaky legal ground that’s hard to navigate. Many companies discourage their creators from even looking at fanart and the like to prevent them from being accidentally influenced and potentially subject to liability.
Sonic Team can be very nice to creators of fan game makers, but they still have to be careful about not taking an idea without credit
@@supasonicboom I meant like taking inspiration of fan games and put their own spin on it
Wait you made greenhill paradiss act 1 and 2????
If you can get the Bumper engine to work that is. Keeps giving me errors in Unity engine and won't load anything properly.
“He makes in a flash, and all the assets clash. This man truly is a fucking genius”
He's using Unreal Engine in any way he can!
SEGA HIRE THIS MAN, SEGA HIRE THIS MAN
Beat me to it lol
HE'S USING UNREAL ENGINE IN ANY WAY HE CAN.
I get the reference but it’s a very bizarre excerpt to cite in this situation, for the most part the game doesn’t have an overreliance-of-stock-assets problem (the artstyle is more cohesive than Sonic 06 lol), it’s just that it has overexaggerated cinematic shaders and financial practices that aren’t really legal
Worse part is even if sega “makes a game as good as said fan game” those people are gonna complain about the fact that it’s like the fan game
Yeah because one is a finished product the other isn't
@@slimboarder.o7 This one is the latter
@@InFiNiTeO7 sonic forces is polished?
this same case is happening with the new Sonic Prime teaser as well.
Some fan makes an SFM Sonic animation: "oh my god this is so good and professional Sega hire this man!"
The Sonic Prime teaser releases: "oh my god this is so bad it looks like a SFM animation and that's so bad!! Please follow me i do Sonic fan art"
@@nerov3402 well, in terms of physics and smaller nitpicks, no, but in terms of looks and actually giving half decent designs of levels, yes, not saying Forces is perfect, but you can tell what game had a bigger budget behind it.
I really liked Sonic GT
Same
We all did
it kinda blowed for me tbh. It kinda screamed "sonic forces was linear, so we made this oooooopen" and so the levels are clusterfucks where you get lost all the time
I fricking love it's engine, it's way better than infinity engine. I just prefer getting some momentum and enjoying speed rather than just repeatedly boosting and homing attacking enemies like in infinity engine.
Same
Here's a friendly reminder that Freedom Planet started as a Sonic fangame and the devs realized they could make money off of it if they actually reworked it as an original game, which they did.
The Sonic roots are very obvious but it still displays a lot of cool original ideas.
Plus, those character designs are fucking sick. It oozes style with the gameplay substance of a Treasure game with some of those bosses.
I swear it's like Sonic and Gunstar Heroes had a dragon child.
Yea and also Spark the electric jester was made using the same engine as Sonic after the sequel bc the creator of that engine wanted to make his own game. Then he used his 3d engine hedge physics to make spark 2 and now 3.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Ikr, Freedom Planet 1 is so good.
and the devs are respectable lmao
@@Zimran03 Yeah I saw his trailer for Spark 3
SEGA! hire this man!
SEGA! hire this man!
He's using Infinity Engine in any way he can.
And although all the assets clash!
And the plane collusion is trash!
Still, he's a master of the medium!
@@lucylu3342 SEGA!
C'mon, just hire this maan!
This game definitely has that "Mario in Unreal Engine" vibe going on with a lot of flashy effects with sloppy execution. The design seems rough all around with the flaws and limitations of the boost formula on full display. And then of course the stuff going on with the creator ain't great. I think SomecallmeJohnny put it best, "Don't poke that bear." We don't know how close Sega is to start cracking down on these types of projects. Now fan games can be these cool passion projects that can be really fun to experience from the consumer's perspective but they're in a huge gray area that I wouldn't recommend anyone to make themselves due to their inherently risky nature even when you aren't directly profiting off of them. If you're going to do a project like this, make it an inspired spiritual successor like Freedom Planet or Spark.
I dont think it shows the flaws and limitations of the boost formula, it just shows how hard it is to make 3D levels for a character like sonic. Sonic is a speedy platformer and when you forcibly take away his speed to do slow platforming it takes his core gameplay away. Making him slower like mario can work but then he'd just be mario and thats what alot of peopled had an issue with in Lost world.
They need a good blend between nice platforming like sa1 & generations with speed like sa2 & unleashed. But 3D sonic is just forever hard to do hence why they need more than 2 years to make a game. They had the same issues when making sa1 stated in an interview.
I think channel pups video of his fan game really helps stress this point
Unfortunately for Sonic fans, this is pretty much all they have outside of maybe a handful of comics. Sonic has been in this ‘limbo’ since Unleashed.
@@demetriusnp49 That just isn't true lmao. Just because you don't like the games after Unleashed doesn't mean "Sonic has been in limbo".
On another note, from what I can tell most people do Sonic fangames just because they've grown up with the character and love his gameplay and personality. It would feel off to just copy the gameplay and slap some new characters on it (basically the definition of a knockoff, actually).
Definitely a "style over substance" fangame. The style of the game looks like a bunch of Unity store assets imo. Has that indie game jam mindset: "just add bloom and post-processing effects until things look good".
@@evdestroy4121 I think there is a limbo, and it started with Lost World. Don't get me wrong, I liked Lost World, but I think that game is where the cynism for this franchise really stepped up.
Sonic fan games vary in quality as much as Sonic games made by Sega.
This would be the main phrase for SAGE, or the community in general
there is a lot of sh^tpost sonic fangames out there, terribly made 2d games, lazy a$s roblox games, and everything else that is just so f@cking bad.
@@alternatenican ignoring the ones that just want clicks, most are really good, even roblox has good ones.
@@gamingnubs7628 That's right.
Even if most of they (if not, all of they) are still w.i.ps and engine-recreations, their job is kinda impressive!
@@HidroFalante the ones I actually play alot are Sonic Onset Adventure (an SA1 remake) and Sonic World Adventure (Unleashed remake).
I'm getting sick of promising-looking fan games that go nowhere and wind up dying in obscurity. Ever since the days of Blitz Sonic there have been cool engines with promise that go nowhere.
But someday Sonic Utopia WILL happen.
the community wanting the same formula all over and over is fucking tiring
thanks for reminding me Blitz Sonic existed holy shit
Good one.
Honestly, I've lost hype for Utopia. It's pretty fun, but not a full game's worth. Pretty mid.
Does P-06 count?
I think at this point everyone just wants a good game and they'll take whatever they can get, official or fan made.
Yeah your right
At the end of the day Segamade their standards drop this low
@@maximumforce8275 not only that but alot of fans cant even trust sega to make a good game in the 3d department
But how far are you people willing to sacrifice in order to get a "good" 3d Sonic game?
Enough to sacrifice your integrity?
@@DaELFGokulio yos
The "Sega should learn from this" trope also seems to happen with many engines that only have ported stages from other Sonic games, if not only a test level.
I think those are mostly with ones that feels good to control
@@maximumforce8275 Yeah
It's like that meme of how anyone who makes a basic game demo in Unreal Engine gets people screaming to Nintendo/Sega to hire them lol
Mabel from Gravity Falls: "Ugh, I never realized how bright this place really is."
“Sega hire this man” - sonic fans who haven’t played it
I tend to say this comment to animators more than fan game makers and rom hacker's lately
@Charmy Bee okay Charmy Bee
@@ghostlywinds5334 It's true, we've seen what SEGA can do when they actually try and don't just pull another "screw it, classic sonic time" thing on us.
While their are exceptions (Think Sonic Mania, Tee Lopez etc.) most fangame makers all do the same/similar things so no fangame really stands out more than the rest in terms of gameplay. At least in my opinion.
Animators however, can bring amazing things to the table that we didn't already have.
*See PFP for reference* Like how Monty Oum was taken in and essentially put RT on the grid, when their previous quality of work, while decent, saw a major uplift thereafter.
(I know my reference isn't 100% relevant, but it's good enough for the point)
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung i think i follow you
I mean look, the game isn't THAT good. It is very good though, mostly the first level. That is great. The rest is a bit rocky, with sloppy level design.
But yeah the creators attitude has sort of killed my goodwill towards the game.
Yeah I agree, it's good for the most part, but the way the creator has acted has it made it really hard to like for me
Well hello there the lonely goomba.
Yeah. Honestly, the Sonic fangames only have like a 5 day traction before the novelty dries up. Not to say all of them suck, but only the diehard fans are gonna preach it.
But those games can become those like Hat in Time, Shantae and Undertale in terms of presence. But, it’s harder than you think to make the game you wanna make. And the reason is for it to be the game that tells a vision, the hardest obstacle is identity execution. I feel that’s why a lot of the Sonic fangames while interesting...fails and dries up after a day or two. Some of the games try too hard to be ‘THAT’ game that Sega should’ve made.
Have you guys seen the Sonic fan game being made by TrippleJaz?
He’s clearly a fan of the series and its taking HUGE inspiration from Junio’s Sonic. He’s actually streaming occasionally animating the intro cutscene. Pretty “jazzy” 😏 (I’m so sorry...or am I?) It has potential so we’ll have to see. I’m gonna need a video on it Splash Dash when it releases 😏
@Loopie I JUST went over to the recent video of the stream uploaded on TrippleJaz’s channel and all I see is “I missed it” I’m crying 😭
I don't think it's a minority since many youtubers really amplify the Hire this man mentality.
After Sonic Mania people think it's easy to make an enjoying game, while Taxman and Stealth had YEARS of experience
Very true
It's like what Johnny said during 2020 Sonic Hacking Contest
"Dont kick the Hornets nest"
Or something like that when it comes to fan games
I think it was “Don’t poke the bear”
Don't worry, I heard he got permission a friend of a friend's friend's twice removed 7th cousin's grandpa who knows a shady guy who works at SEGA to do this totally not illegal and moronic act.
Well...artists get away with this all the time. So at this point what's the difference?
@@maximumforce8275 the only difference is that SEGA will care more if it gets out of hand
@@roxonightreturns pretty much. Other than that I would have mistaken this as a forces 2 or something.
After the document that’s been released, I think it’s safe to say this video aged very well.
Good to see someone finally criticizing the "HIRE THIS MAN" behavior.
i now feel bad for SEGA having they're employees get this stuff recommended and then read the comments and see people praising the game too much and ignoring it's flaws.
Fan creators aren't immune to criticism. That's it.
Agreed
@person person that means you aren’t willing to better yourself and that’s bad
I bet if SEGA made Sonic Omens the same exact way the fan did,fans will hate it,just cuz it's SEGA.
You might be right, but that'd be mostly because SEGA's an official company while Omen's made by fans. Fangames have way lower standards to be met as they're way lower budget and exist just to show a proof of concept most of the time. Mainline Sonic games have much better quality than games like Omen (other than in the level design possibly, although Omen has weird design at parts too), but these 3D fangames are still praised more, since they show how much can be done by a non-official team, especially in parts like level and character design.
@@sasdagreat8052
Ik thats very true,but still
@@sasdagreat8052 That's a problem in this fandom: regardless of context, you can say fan projects are just as good or better than official games but not worse.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Well yeah; it helps never to say a fangame's overall *better* than official games, but instead to just say where it excels compared to them, and how impressive the project is considering the budget. That's what we want in the end, after all: proving a certain level of quality can be expected, and expecting the Sonic Team to learn what the majority of fans want.
I don't even think it's fair to compare fangames to official games, since fangame creators have basically an infinite window of time to work on a singular game, whilst SEGA has like a couple years or so to push something out amongst a slew of other projects
Literally any Sonic Fan-Game with the Infinity Engine:
Players: *SeGa HiRe ThIs MaaAaaAANnn*
funnily enough most if not all their ideas cane from sega.
@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 Yeah, but Sonic Omens is implementing those ideas, whereas Sonic games have largely abandoned or ignored them all.
SEGA HIRE THIS MAN
SEGA HIRE THIS MAN
HES USING UNITY IN ANYWAY HE CAN
@mr freakout Those people are so cringe smh
After SEGA hires him and the guy mades a good game: *It ReAlLy ToOk A fAnNnNn!!!!1!1!!!*
Every time I hear something along the lines of “Sega take notes” I lose a solid month of my lifespan. I used to say shit like that too and that’s the worst part
The difference is, you learn to move past the bias and own up to your past self's way of thinking.. Tons of people haven't yet and probably never will.
@@tizoh9776 So true and it sucks beyond belief that some people will never stray from their past way of thinking.
Sega take notes
@@tizoh9776 Also fans have plenty of time to bug test and plan out their fan games right? SEGA and Team Sonic have a time limit given and because they use advance hardware and so many departments that have to be on track with each other, it's much easier for something to go wrong with triple A games than fan games
I used to say shit like that too in the past. Nowadays, I lose a solid brain cell anytime I see someone shit on Sega going all "hire this man", "take notes, Sega", or "ThIs Is HoW yOu Do It". Just cut them some slack, jeez. I know y'all are disappointed after the whole "Forces" incident, or the "oh no, glitchy colors ultimate" scenario, but that doesn't mean you people should pull this crap. Plus, with colors ultimate, blind squirrel was also at fault, not just Sega. Colors is literally Iizuka's baby, this shit would never have flied if it was just Sega/Sonic Team working on the remaster, at least I think. Sorry, didn't mean to rant for this long. Just trying to relate and empathize with what you said, hope you understand.
I bet if sega did hire all those fan game creators who just did test stages to make an official sonic game the game would be a total train wreck
Agreed, which is why Sega should focus on their own path
Guy makes a ordinary basic sonic game with sfm cutscenes: Sonic fans: SEGA HIRE THIS MAN !!!!!!
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola Dunno about the cutscenes, don't care, the game part is what I have issue with.
Just makes it more sad for Sonic Team then, since this looks way better then what they have done in forces.
@@bartvshomer true
i feel bad for Sonic Team now that they have to deal with all of this bs.
@@bartvshomer that’s the thing it “LOOKS” better, but looks it all it really has. It’s nothing but style and no substance, basically a baland wonderland 2.0
Every time Splash Dash uploads it's like Christmas.
Splash dash...
*Notice me!*
Wheres the damn sonic Xtreme video?
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 hopefully one day.
Its not like christmas.
Its like the second coming of christ
Lol
I think Sonic fans praising games they've never played has been and will continue to be one of the series' biggest problems.
The main takeaway here is to not support scummy devs, and to go play Sonic GT instead.
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola he is making money from his fan game. He is literally stealing the IP, how is that not scummy?
@@locomotivo4644
Fan animators like BalenaProductions and MugiMikey make money from their Sonic animations and have patreon pages yet they get a pass from the community. Remix artists and fan comic creators also do the same. Should they be shut down just because SEGA sells music and makes revenue off their animation projects like Team Sonic Racing Overdrive and Sonic Mania Adventures? No, no they shouldnt. The answer is SEGA doesnt CARE to shut them down either because these people represent no financial threat.
Form your own opinion, stop letting others tell you how to think.
Oh and edit: Sonic Omens is free to download, you're not required to pay to play it. So the donations are OPTIONAL.
@@KinotheHedgehog but does SEGA care about music and animations, nah SEGA cares the most about the game.
@@alternatenican
How do YOU know what SEGA does and doesnt care more about? If SEGA cared more about fan games then why do they have a history of actively helping fan game devs whether they get donation money or not?
@@KinotheHedgehog I mean Sega did shutdown fangames that were a direct threat to there own games like the Streets of Rage fan remake as there were still selling the original.
The best part of this game is that they stored the files on a discord server I was in, and the server got raided and then deleted. And Bolt said Sonic 2020 was "canceled" a week or two after, I'm kind of shocked the game is back. Oh yeah also on the server he uploaded basically pirated sonic IDW comics. Just kind of thought that was funny
Who the fuck would store the files of their game in a discord server lmao
@@mizzix The same type of person who stores evidence of their criminal organization on their laptop. You'd be surprised how ridiculous these pirates are. The only thing bigger than their ego is their stupidity.
@@mizzix
I mean its probably okay IF its a private server you and ONLY you can get in, but for a public server? Now your asking to for trouble.
You mean, he didn't have any sort of backups or anything?
This would be like if I left all my important documentation in an RV in the parking lot of a store with 24 hour parking
@@jennytulls6369 I remember from a twitter post he made that he didn't lose quite everything,
twitter.com/BOLT59117837/status/1293560271127089154
this explains it little bit easier
Mmmm motion blur
Everyones favorite way to hide a palpitating FPS and crunchy visuals
Ironically, the best motion blur comes naturally when playing a game at 60+ FPS, with the actual motion blur effect completely turned off. I was told by multiple professors that the human eye can’t process anything more than 24 FPS, which I seriously doubt, but I can definitely see that the motion blur my eye perceives at extremely high frame rates is much more natural and appealing than the motion blur processing effect in Unreal Engine. Personally, I think even playing 30 FPS games with motion blur turned off produces a more appealing blur than the post-processing effect. The console versions of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order demonstrate this quite well.
@@JeffreyThrash Actually the human eye doesn't have a consistent framerate, every individual receptor of the eye updates independently from each other at a frequency of around 75Hz, and in return the eye as a whole tends to have a frequency of around 100-120Hz (it could be more but usually isn't)
I’m starting to suspect that this guy is LS Mark. Their voices are VERY similar and they both really like sonic.
Nah, that's just a conspiracy theory! just a coincidence!
You might just be on to something.
Sonic fans when an early demo for Frontiers: mid :(
Sonic fans when the exact same fucking thing, but a fan made it: OMFG, this is PERFECT, SEGA, HIRE THIS MAN, FIRE SONIC TEAM, HE WILL SINGLEHANDEDLY SAVE YOUR COMPANY
This aged like a fine wine.
Every time I see the words "Hire this man" a song plays in my head and I don't know why.
Is this normal? Should I see a doctor?
No it's not
"Yo this is Knuckles! Hire this man! We're in Sega HQ. You Ready!?"
*HIREEE THIS MAAN*
Which song?
@@justcallmekai1554 LOL
I remember seeing that footage and thinking "yeah that's fast and cool, but is it fun?"
Well that's kinda the problem with all somic games especially 3d..how do you make playing as a god fun? Why do you think theres no flash videogame? His powers would remove all challange. That's why I say some fan games are on par or slightly better compared to what sega makes. Cuz I noticed as I was watching videos that the game does have the same problems as other offical sega games. But again people havediffrwnt ideas on what is fun
I saw the footage and just wanted to know why the game keeps slowing down
When you grab a pully, when you use the cool tether thing, even something as common as destroying a badnik
Maruyama :D
Yeah, I always ask that same question whenever I see a new game of any kind, no matter what it is or who it's actually from.
I can't trust developers anymore, fan or official.
This video aged well
Graphic good so gameplay good too
-sonic fan
Gamers in general
Those people are what I like to call, “GrApHiCs ArE EvErYtHiNg” gamers.
Sonic unleahsed fans:
@@unknownwill4th549 No, that's just simply because the game is awesome to play, has an amazing atmosphere and an awesome artstyle.
Has nothing to do with graphics.
@@cremetoertchen0815 werehog sun and moon medals
Splash Dash is just the substitute Irish Cybershell until we get a new video from Cybershell
E
Cyber’s Hell
I wonder what his next video will be about
I really hope it some more of that obscure shit that nobody talks and cares about except him
Now that is what really ROCKS MY SOCKS OFF
@@730g9 CYBER’S HELL
One of these days, LS Mark..er.. I mean "Splash Dash" is going to snap.
Some Sonic fan game: *comes out*
Fan: I hate Sonic Forces
Well Geez...I actually really like how this fan game plays, for a sucker of the boost games, it was easy and fun for me to adjust. But after seeing what they're doing with it/what bolt's doing with it. I ain't gonna look at it the same way. It sucks that something that I actually thought was a passion project is being used like that.
I haven’t seen or heard from you in years.
I think it's dumb people dont want to let him mke money of is passion as long as the game is free at the end of the day noboady Care that if you liked it you Can give money if you didn't then dont
@@slimboarder.o7 what
@@slimboarder.o7 but they're using assets from sega's games and making money off of it? I'm pretty sure you can get sued for that, this isn't a passion project it's being used for selfish purposes while profiting off of reused assets
listen you might've grown a pair of balls to realize you were wrong 5 months later (unless u were trolling) but when I see someone making an argument that can easily be countered I take that opportunity
@@melenacholy9170 Even if there was no Patreon it would still be illegal.
I feel the main reason this fangame gets so much praise kinda comes from the fact Sega hasn't release a good new sonic game in quite some time (most recent was Forces, and that one wasn't much good at all). People are still waiting for Sega to even announce the next game, so they basically saw with rose-tinted glasses and overhype it.
So you mean the praise is coming from a place of hatred.
I noticed with fangames it get instant praise and approval from fans and critics with the generic "better than SEGA" nomatter what the quality of it is, but if it's official than fans and critics are way more critical of it
@@kamsienyioha4574 those are very strong and truthful words
@@sonicfan1984 Yep, i played a lot of 3D fan games and even something impressive as Sonic GT pales in comparison to the Sega works, even the worst ones
these games aren't being praised by their own merits but are just being held up as a "Take that" regardless of the games quality?
Kinda mixed messaging
I agree with you on the part where fan game creators shouldn't take advantage of SEGA being chill with fan games, just because they aren't Nintendo doesn't mean they'll let stealing their IP for your own profit slide, it's a dick move if you ask me
Damn, man. I actually super enjoyed Omens, and it was everything I wanted in a Sonic game. High speed gameplay, characters with different abilities, boost gameplay with actual control over Sonic, I was super enjoying it. I didn't know there was all this drama about the game, mainly because I had to skip on 2020 thanks to my PC's... Less than sufficient specs at the time. Sad to hear there's all this BS going on behind the scenes, cause this game was closer to my ideal for a Sonic game than anything else I'd played so far.
Did you just play the first level?
@@thetbhresistance7042 Played the full game. Obviously the tree climb level and Shadow's poison swamp were too slow paced, and the GUN Training Facility had its issues, but for the most part I found the game to be super fun.
My God, THANK YOU. I've never understood all the buzz about this game for so long but never spoke up about it! I don't think the game is awful, but I go insane every time people are like "DUDE! DUDE! THIS GAME IS SO GOOD MAN! IT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING SEGA COULD MAKE!"
Yea its almost every fan game now that looks impressive gets massive praise. Despite their flaws
Yes, exactly. This is what I don't get about fangames. I thought fans are tired of the boost formula, but if it's made by a fan then it gets instant praise and approval despite its issues or quality. The game looks cool in terms of presentation and visuals, but gameplay and level design I don't see how this is better than what SEGA already done with Unleashed and Generations and those games came out 10+ years ago.
@@sonicfan1984 its the same with adventure, fans have different taste and they want to be appealed to. The problem is every fan thinks they speak for the fan base
The thing about literally any fan game for me is that people praise it and make it seem so good, yet I know full well if it was an official game they would hate it or go “eh, it’s mediocre”
@@jbbajangamer Honestly, Sonic fans just have a double standard against Sega. It's literally impossible for Sega to win.
The praise for the original bothered me all the time, because the game looks prettier than it does to play - and fangames of all series seem to love this "graphics over quality" mindset. Just because it had "good lighting," unique cutscenes, and original voice over, albeit questionable voice over, doesn't make it the best thing in Sonic in 10 years. Also, aside from this game, the "good lighting" in all these games looks absolutely terrible. Darks are too darks, lights are too light, bloom is overwhelming. Lighting doesn't equal good, especially when it's just intense for intensity's sake.
And then Omens starts doing the rounds, and I see people saying the guy has a patreon, and I'm like... "Wait... That's illegal!"
The whole reason Sega let us away with these games is based on that one simple principle - don't monetize the game. Aaron Webber himself said it on a livestream on the official Sonic channel once, I'm pretty sure - it's SUCH a simple ask. We've been directly told not to do this and we can keep making games. Patreon absolutely goes against that, and I'd go as far as to say that even making one and saying it's for "other projects" is still sort-of dodgy, as people might support a person solely because of the Sonic content they made, even if they aren't constantly updating it or promoting it.
There's a saying I've heard in regards to this issue: "don't poke the bear"
2:42 If it was SEGA that made this game the same way fans did, the fans will complain.
Fans when SEGA reuses Green Hill: "Ugh, do something else already."
Fans when projects reuse Green Hill: "OMG THIS IS AMAZING, SEGA NEEDS TO HIRE YOU!"
Fans when the Egg Dragoon showed up in Forces: "Ugh, why are you reusing this boss again?"
Fans when it appeared in Omens: "DUUUUUDE, IT'S THE EGG DRAGOON, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
I wouldn't be surprised if the final boss of the complete version was the 3rd rehash of the Nega Wisp Armor, to where people lose their shit on it like they've done with everything else.
Sonic Omen...more like: too many things going on, whats happening?, I think my pc is going to explode!
Splash Dash and Ls Mark would get along so well bc they may sound harsh but they spit the truth
I honestly thought they were the same person for a bit.
@@rwbyistrash603 bro same
@@rwbyistrash603 I may get r/wooshed for this but, they are the same person.
Aren't they the same person
hmm.. well they've never been in the same room together....
Do you guys think that....
They hate each other?
Splashdash made a good point. SEGA hire this man!
Your comment is really good! SEGA should hire you!
I don't get how anyone can say anything like, "Wow, this game looks official!" when the visuals reek of amateur Unreal Engine 4 tech demo vibes. My first thought when seeing the newest trailer was that it reminded me of that one Unreal Engine 4 video that has Sonic's model from Brawl plopped into a grassy field with realistic deer prancing around. There are so many other fan games out there that are of much higher quality and have stronger, more distinct art styles. Why are people so easily impressed with Sonic Omens? The discourse surrounding this fan game is proof to me that maybe it's a good thing SEGA don't listen to fans that closely.
Sonic omens still looks good tho even if it gives off unreal engine 4 tech demo vibes
Yea and don't get me wrong the game looks good but not like how some peot are saying I think my only complaint would be the running animation from videos I've seen the animation looks kinda wonky at timss like how when you move sonic right or left I can't explian it really well.
It's a sonic game, ANYTHING can look official with better graphics.
Long story short, Sonic Omens is the Yandare Simulator of the Sonic fandom.
Yeah but people aren’t complaining about it because it’s kind of a rip off people, people are complaining that they’re monetizing it that’s the difference. like splash is not saying that you guys shouldn’t put your money in this because it’s a bad product he saying it’s bad because it’s making money and that’s about it
But it’s actually getting worked on
Except it's more "functional" than Yandere Simuator.
@@rubyknights5885 It's a really dumb argument
@@slimboarder.o7 How so? Yandere Simulator to a lot of people feels that their getting rip off
For sonic omens people are mad at The developers for making money off their Patreon
So how are they similar?
he used the infinity engine? so he didn't even made the game from ground up, he used an engine that wasn't even all that good to begin with
The creator of the engine itself said the engine probably isn't suited for an actual game, yet the omens devs ignore that and slap on lens flare and terrible level design and all of a sudden Sonic kids are praising it as the best Sonic game of all time lol
to me i feel like ppl saying about mania that "fans can make better than SEGA-" but like
if sega never funded it
the game woulda never- existed? so sega was needed for mania to exist-
On the one hand, the officials in charge made arbitrary mandates to use more unoriginal zones in the game against the developers wishes, but on the other, anyone with eyes that's actually beaten the game and watched the credits would know that a LOT of people were needed to develop this game, like any other average official release.
Average sonic omen fan: insert baby crying noises
Average sonic robo blast 2 enjoyer: chad
1. Let people play what they want. (People love forces and 06)
2. Sonic blast two sucks. Levels are way too hard.
@ this comment is over 2 years old (I also am a forces enjoyer), I do let people play what they like the “fan” in the original comment was meant to be the extreme sides
Also SRB2 is hard but it makes sense to be as it was made for people who have played classic sonic since the genesis and even then I don’t see how that even makes sense to this topic at hand from a 2 year old comment that has 5 likes and no replies that very well looks like it was made by a bot
@@melo-7904 oh Ok. It’s fine responding to a two-year-old comment
@ fair
I couldn't have said it better. Also, If you say "Hire this man", please remember how a company works.
I feel like the main reason why people praise this game is because it has cutscenes and an actual story, which most fangames don't have.
Hey it still playd better than forces
@@jinxact532 nope
@@flex9663 forcez was not better
@@jinxact532 Have you even played the game? The FIRST grind rail in Sonic 2020 is so buggy that approaching it with any momentum kills you, EVERY TIME
I haven't played it for a while i said it played better than forces because i was doing more tha. Automated sequences
Sega: my IP
BOLT: *our* IP.
*USSR National Anthem Earrape intensifies*
Sonic Eclipse Online does the same thing but it's even worse since there's one playable level, that you have to pay 5 dollars for. And they make the shit excuse of "Sega doesn't care about Sonic"
And Eclipse WAS taken down.
"SeGa HiRe ThIs MaN!!1!1!11111!11!"
And then when SEGA hires him and makes a good game, then after some time everyone would say "UnFaIr It ToOk A fAn To Do It!!11!111!11"
or they say that it doesn't count because it's made by fans. I've seen fans say that Mania doesn't count and treat Mania like it's a fangame that is published by SEGA rather than an official game with the involvement of Sonic Team and SEGA
Can't wait for Sonic maid cafe
wh
I said this on Twitter and I’ll say it again “This looks like one of those dumb “HiRe Me *game company*” things where they slap some random model into Unreal Engine, only they went through the trouble of making an actual stage along with it, what makes this special?”
The game doesent even look that good too,it looks like a more extended version of forces,I get annoyed seeing comments like this,just because the game did something sonic never did doesent mean it's automatically perfect
@@darealepic that's basically what infinity engine is
The way he singled out Blue Vivacity despite their title bring one of the least egregious lol
Maybe he needed an example quick and it was the first result he could get lol
I literally had that open in another tab when he showed it. I probably won't finish that video, now.
And the title has nothing wrong, is the fan game impressive? Absolutely the presentation is super high for the fan game but everything else falls apart
@@kauanjos3199 yeah, as i said before, maybe it was the first result it came up
The double standards the sonic fandom shows at times between fan games and official games is baffling. In an official game, every possible mistake or flaw or pitfall, no matter its size, is another excuse to tear into Sonic Team and mock them for their choices, yet when a fan-game falls into those same pitfalls, the game and its developers are immediately coddled by mountains of excuses and damage control. "They're a new team, not everything is gonna be perfect on their first try!" "It's still in its early stages, of course its gonna be rough! Things will get better eventually!"
If this were Sonic Team making that same 'Omens' game, or something similar but slightly more polished, these same people would brush the game off as trash based on nothing but two minutes of gameplay they see on youtube.
I am tired of the "Hire this man!" mentality that plagues every video showcasing the latest mediocre fan game of the week. If these projects that supposedly showcase what Sonic could be capable of aren't held to the same criteria and scrutiny as the SEGA-published stuff, then the Sonic Team critics and fans of unofficial stuff are no better than the "blind Sega fanboys" they so often mock for the same attitude they're displaying towards fan content.
God, your comment perfectly explains how I feel lol
The same people saying "Hire this man" would tear into Sega if they released a game like this.
I'm convinced the only people defending this game are kids who haven't even played the game and wanna defend it because it looks pretty.
@@lucylu3342
And this “Hire this man!!” problem stems from Sonic’s quality assurance problem.
The distrust between the community and SEGA has gotten so big that the fans have developed double standards.
We would praise ANYTHING that isn’t SEGA’s handy-work because we don’t trust them anymore.
I feel like ever since Mania got released, the ego of fans towards fangames has flourished a lot, and the _"fans"_ started thinking that fangames are better than the official games and will be officially published by SEGA, for real.
@@tiruliru1189 I am certain that when the first gameplay for the 2022 game is shown, there will be several hundred comments proclaiming how "Omens/Utopia/other fan-game is so much better and it wasn't even developed by Sega!", ignoring all the rough parts and flaws those games have as well, or how the development process differs between fan-made and official.
to be fair, most fangames are just made by some college dude or someone with a passion. They're just havin fun with what they have to work with. I do think people take it way too far with the "hire this man" bullshit
0:00 I remember thinking sonic adventure kiss was canon when I was little and that made me very confused towards sonic lore.
bruh
People need to decide if they want fangames to be small time things that are one offs or just tech demos or if they want fangames to be actual descriptions of what they want official Sonic to be.
If the community wants these fan games to be actual messages to SEGA on what we like and need we can't keep cutting them so much slack and ending every criticism with "but for a fangame it's good". We need to be harsh, we need to be stern, and we need to treat this as if we were consumers deciding the face of the Sonic we want portrayed.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, you can't say your fangame is a big project trying to make an impact and then when it comes to the community you make sure no one treats you as anything other than a humble fangame designer.
Exactly.
Well said my good man.
Well said. 👏👏👏
this guy is roasting this game so hard while having the most fun sonic gameplay ive ever seen in the background
Yeah, no
@@porygon-z8270 Yeah, yeah.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 found the omens defender. Aint you cute :)
@@porygon-z8270 Found the omens hater. Aint you cute :)
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Omens is rightfully hated, bud. Nice job echoing words
Even before mania people were always like "ThIs Is So GoOd!! SeGa HiRe ThIs MaN!!" But in reality so few fangames have ever reached a point where I can genuinely say they match or exceed the quality of the official games. I've been pretty active in the sonic fan-game community, used to do a video series on it a long time ago. But the main problem was I'd get requests for ones and they were all either just tech demos with no levels or not very good. Nobody pays attention to the REALLY good ones. My favorite has always been Sonic Robo Blast 2. It's my favorite sonic game (yes that means my favorite sonic game is a fangame) But I'm not under the illusion that it's suddenly better than every single sonic game and that sega should hire STjr.
SRB2 took 11 years to reach the level it has today. It's seen a large amount of creators come and go and has been a collaboration project so huge and I don't think I've ever seen anything like it in a fan community. and even now people ignore it and just play the SRB2Kart mod and never play the base game. Oh yeah and they never once asked for donations and it has been a passion project through and through. What they've done is inspiring and I wish more people would pay attention to that, instead of the easy click-bait ones like "BEST SONIC GAME IN YEARS???" "BOOST DONE RIGHT??"
ugh I both love and hate the sonic community sometimes. At least we have the luxury of being able to have this many fangames and mods.
@@RetroRampage sooner or later fans are going to get that privilege taken away from them if they keep this up. Fans mock SEGA for being cool with the fans making their own fangames because "SEGA is incompetent and can't make good games, so they rely on fans to do the job for them" but if SEGA is pulls a Nintendo and become more strict with fangames then fans will be like "SEGA is just jealous or intimidated because they know that fans can do a better job then them." It's a lose-lose situation, fans will always paint SEGA as a villian even when they try to do good for the community
@@sonicfan1984
The reason why fans paint SEGA as the bad guy is because of the quality assurance problem Sonic has been having for *20 years*
Since there is so much distrust, the “fans” will praise anything that isn’t SEGA, even if it’s the next Sonic 06.
As a fan game creator people do go overboard some times, I don't encourage those comments but they are welcome for recognizing my hard work and passion.
If Sega made this game, people would thrash it.
Like they're already doing?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Tru ye but like more.
This reminds me of how pokemon fans see pokemon fan games. Like, a lot of fan games boast about having a mature story, original pokemon, and challenging difficulty. But it ends up absolute shit and too tryhard. Yet fans still hype up these games and praise how the fan games are doing a better job than the real games. Just something I noticed
Insurgence is a great example of this, the game in all honesty aged like milk. But hey, at least the devs weren't actively profiting off of it
Oh boy, the Sonic/Blaze kissing game. I used to play this when I was like 10, epic nostalgia. Also, Sonic Omens? More like, Sonic O-No-ens hehehehehe
Sonic Omegle
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola no.
Sonic Aw mans
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola I did
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola actually I don't remember this comment
this whole thing reminds me of the “Nintendo hire this man!” fiasco, where a mario model in a grassy field was considered the greatest videogame since uncharted 4
Then it changed to Link in a field with the brightness turned up all the way.
You do bring many great points! I did praise it a while ago without really playing it and now I wish I did (or wish I had time to at least). I regard it highly mostly because it’s just oozing with potential. Mostly in characterization and the animation. Like if the game was refined and trimmed a bit with many bugs fixed and level layout I bet the game would be a hit! It’s just potential for now though.
I like to talk about games without the creators in mind because it kind of ruins the game but I believe no one should be acting as scummy as the creator.
But that’s what you help with, you bring us, your loyal followers, into the light being shund upon by Sonic
Don't give people the idea to make a Sonic Maid Cafe game. It can only end in despair.
The weird thing is he spoke about the same thing before in sonic cancelled games, I think he really wants it to be a thing for some reason
@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 To each his own, I suppose.
Probably being *maid* right now!
kill me now sephiroth
@@dangarbagecanman Knowing that you must live with the knowledge that you made such a terrible joke, I believe your suffering would be greater if I let you continue living.
I mean to be fair it can't be worse than the already existing Babysitting Cream now can it?
(also the real question should be when is Iizuka finally going to drop the Sonic Love Sim he is working on since 1998/s)
i love the irony of the fact if sega actually hired this man he'd make even shittier games than sonic team already does and people would complain and then repeat the cycle with another game that looks good in twitter videos but plays horribly
It's Ouroboros that should buy Sega, not the other way around.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 what
@@AleK0451 It's Ouroboros that should buy Sega, not the other way around.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 saying the same thing again doesn't explain this completely irrelevant statement that means nothing
Which is why Sega should follow their own path rather than listening to the wrong fans that can easily destroy the sonic brand
Oh hey it’s Mar- Splash.
*Splash.*
Sonic fanbase sometimes put the fangames in a type of pedestal, so one day, I decided to download the most interesting looking from these no comentary channels on youtube and test the games for myself, well the 3D ones are just one or two levels, with usually some (or a lot) bugs in the gameplay but I think they have really a lot of potential...
You played Sonic GT yet? Shit slaps, a little confusing later on in terms of design but it’s still made well. Other than SRB2 open-ish levels have never been done before so I give it a little wiggle room on that
@@demigodstudios I Roboblast 2 with a friend and damn that game is amazing, but I didn't have the chance to play Sonic GT, writing down your recommendation
Fans always praise the next Sonic fangame as "better than what SEGA can do" and that "SEGA should be ashamed that fans can make better games". Yeah, the game looks good visually but that's pretty much it.
Yeah obviously it's way l'ESS people with way less money it's obvious
They don’t even look visually better, they’ve all got that cheap looking Unity Lighting
I like how you said you’re not going to go into a lot of fangames but instead of doing at least 5 fan games you just did one with an update lmao
Fr this video was basically just trashing this game
Exactly what i was thinking.
@@speedheat9773 ok? You’re gonna defend the dev? Cause the dev is scummy
@@nman551 defending?!.... Lmao no the internet has a tendency of being overly to the left or right just becasue of what someone did (if the majority say somthing is good then there will always be a small minority thats overly critical and vice versa) . And no im not " gonna defend the dev" cuz he's scummy its just vary obvious that the man wanted to hate on the game and the whole patreon controversy just give him the perfect opportunity. But to bash a game solely on the fact that the dev did somthing bad and not on the actuall quality of the game is vary bias imo but thats just me :/
To sum up Sonic fan games . They're either bad , they're either good , they're either *Sonic Dreams Collection .*
Thanks for this vid mate, you've perfectly summed up what we've been fighting for the last few days. Let's hope we can continue to enjoy fangames.
Good job!
When I read some comments in a few videos about how this game looks so professional, and even better than sonic unleashed, or how this puts sega to shame, I would tell myself: "are these people blind! This game needs hell of a lot more polishing before it starts looking decent." Kinda how some people think mario on unreal engine looks good. Makes me question if they can actually see correctly.
I literally discovered Sonic omens this morning and i went from loving the game to hating it in a matter of hours....I really am a sonic fan
I found it pretty good, I think it's one thing to dislike the creator and another to dislike his work.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 but its still hard to separate this things, I would never like yandere Simulator because of yandere dev (good thing the game sucks)
Edit: agr q eu percebi q vc é brasileiro e meu inglês foi atoa '-'
Although I did the same, I still stand by some points like it honestly being on par with what sega spews out if anything. Cones with sane problems other ganes had and all
@@ericf.a8623 thank you
If these people become the cause of SEGA to start eliminating fangames, they will go from being the most loved to being the most hated (And with good reason)
I’m glad you made a video on this, cause I was so confused seeing this game in my sub box despite it literally having a patreon for it, which isn’t legal at all.
I don’t really have any thoughts on the game itself cause it actually ran really bad on my pc, despite having the right specs for it.
Its cause it's not optimized very well from what I've heard. Sam Procrastinates had a bunch of problems with it just to start.
When you showed off Sonic in his room from the fan game, I said out loud. "This is just the Mario in Unreal but for Sonic"
It’d be nice if the Omens devs were to ask fans to not just mindlessly praise the fan games.
I mean if i had to say personally, its the best fangame out rn and the closest to an official game any fangame has done so far so it deserves its praise. Yall are saying all this without realizing its a fangame. Ofc its gonna be sloppy when its not official. Thats what makes it so good. Its not official and they STILL did this good.
But the real kicker is that you ppl are out here saying hes getting money off it. Thats not true. I got it for free like many others did
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 Plenty of other fangames that were made by other people on the same engine and never left the testing phase had the same "quality" as Omens. Granted yeah, props to the team for releasing about 3 episodes already on this engine that isn't finished and neither optimized for full releases. They did a great job making the game look beautiful.
And that's all, 4k graphics, lots of motion blur and bloom doesn't make up for sloppy game design. Controls that doesn't even feel right to play, levels with awful design, the same 4k quality that's the main thing you see tends to mess you up while playing, etc. And that goes without saying Bolt making profit out of a fangame. Copyright laws are a thing y'know.
People are mindlessly praising this game as "eVeN bEttEr tHan SeGa's wOrk" without even knowing an inch of it. And to be honest, this doesn't even compete with official releases such as Lost World and would even date to say Forces or Colors.
Praise the game when it has gotten better, just like this update, but criticize as like it is. A game.
@@justarandomguy378 Nah ill praise the game for being a fangmae cause thats all it is. A fangame. So judge it as such. And its not all graphics. The boost was replicated fine, the homing attack was replicated fine, the stomp, the sliding. Anything sonic does in his games was replicated fine. So how is it just graphics?
Anyways any harsh judgment goes out the window when you realize its a fangame with a small team. No duh it wasnt gonna be all that great but its AMAZING for being a fangame and getting to the level its at with boss fights, cutscenes, voice acting and everything. Plus again, im mainly here because of the li es.
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 All you are talking about is the controls. THE GAME DEV DIDNT MAKE THOSE. This made in a fan engine. Also, if it is being given money (EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULDN’T), it should be judged as more than a fan game. And as a game, it has abysmal level design.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte cant compare them. Thats like saying call of duty is better street fighter. And why is everyone ign oring the main point?
You want to know what the actual best Sonic Fan Game is that NO ONE is talking about?
Sonic Venture Plus on Dreams for PS4
*TRUST ME*
*THIS IS WHAT SONIC NEEDS*
*I PROMISE IF YOU PLAY IT YOU WILL BE BLOWN AWAY, THE GAME NEEDS MORE ATTENTION.*
thats so crazy you mention that game cause i been uploading videos on it recently lol
but yeah i agree completely, sonic venture plus on dreams is actually incredible and no one talks about it...
Finally someone speaks on Sonic Venture
Mar- I mean Splash Dash, I need a Sonic Maid Cafe game now
Just going to go on record here and say that Sega treats their fanbase MUCH BETTER than Nintendo ever will.
Fanmade videos on UA-cam? Copyright claim or strike.
Fanmade game? Full-on DMCA.
Anything else fanmade? Any combination of the two.
As opposed to Sega, who doesn't do any of that, and even sees the potential in their fanbase and what they can do, and isn't afraid to let them take the reigns of the series from time to time. After all, Taxman and Stealth were once fan creators just like the rest of us, then they got handed the job of making a new Sonic game, and we all know what came of that: SONIC MANIA, a major contender for best game in the series.
So whether the fanbase ends up helping or hurting itself with it's own creations, you gotta give Sega some credit for not being a bunch of copyright nazi's like Nintendo usually is, and allowing their fanbase to spread their creative wings and show what they can do. Sega truly does what Nintendon't.
Sega was nice enough to give us this freedom, we shouldn’t abuse it. I’m know understanding why Nintendo does that.
@@kamsienyioha4574 Nintendo NEVER gave people freedom. They're bi-polar when it comes to UA-cam, but they're LEAGUES above what the Creator's Program did, aside from trying to stomp out music channels.
R.I.P. BrawlBRSTMs3 X
the fanbase will praise anything made within itself and say its the best thing ever.
bashing sega is a past time for the fanbase.
Maybe fangames get more praise because people acknowledge it's an impressive feat for just 1 person/small team/amateurs making a game in their spare time, compared to a professional, full-time team with way more access to resources?
@@TheClearSummer the fact they are even able to do that in the first place is thanks to sega.
nintendo will send the ninjas after you for less.
@@superultramegasonic1 Fan made games are basically the equivalent of indie game developers, except on already familiar materials. I'm not saying bashing Sega is right or that fan game devs are always better, but I feel that the praise for fan games probably come more from respect for what they are achieving (i.e. having the passion and dedication to do something out of their free time with very little/no financial gain simply because they love it), which is something that is more easy to admire than someone (i.e. employee at Sega) doing their job for the money. Of course, it doesn't mean Sega employees have no passion, but the spirit definitely feels different.
@@superultramegasonic1 Plus, people can often communicate directly with fan game devs, and know that the devs are aware of their existence and know that the devs are individual people with feelings just like me and you on the internet. People are gonna be nicer. Sega is a big corporate team and the person managing the social media is not the dev who builds the game. It's faceless, so it's easier to bash.
Everytime that a sonic fan say "SEGA HIRE THIS MAN" a puppie dies,please save the puppies.
I feel like it would be way less scummy if the patreon was purely for the creator and doesn't have anything to do with sonic fan game or goals to add features for the game.
I don't think he should be relying on people's nostalgia for another game but his own talent and intellectual property in the future. Id love the team to do something like Freedom Planet or Spark the Electric Jester, make a game that is wholly original but uses the elements we love in sonic games with new settings and characters.
Using Patreon as a personal donation pool isn't really a problem. That should be encouraged.
But that only should be done after one has build enough a reputation through their own projects or build enough of a fanbase.
The issue, like you stated, is that studios like Oroboros, Arc Forged & other inde devs want to skip all that by making ONE good fangame, make it really popular and then profit off that social media clout for a while. Even if the donations go to a non-fan game cause, it's already tainted by the fact that it wasn't earned through good will, but through cheap hype.
Who would have thought this would actually be relevant today AND that SplashDash would be right about it (I mean more than what he already was at the time)...
Sonic fangames often have a problem with useless enemies that basically do nothing.
Presenting no challenge to the player the enemies can often be ran past or jumped over with ease, it's just bad game design.
Yeah, there's quite a bit of double standards when it comes to fan games too. People claim they're getting sick of Green Hill Zone, but that's in at least half of them. People claim they're sick of the Egg Dragoon, but here it is, front and center. I don't even know why the Enerbeam or Forces OCs came back.
I bet if this project is finished and the final boss is another Nega Wisp Armor clone, people will go wild over it.
Sit down with a cup of tea, sort by new, and laugh at all the 9 year olds coming to defend a game they never played because _it looks pretty._
I'm literally doing it rn but without the cup of tea part
Did you play it?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 I have, suffice to say the first few levels start off okay but then everything nose dives once you have to do an unfun plane level with awful collision detection and a tree level where Boost Sonic's control scheme does not mesh well with. Platforming is not Boost's greatest strength, so it was pretty infuriating to have sonic zip off a ledge and fall all the way down to the bottom and lose 5 minutes of platforming.
Then after that you have to do ANOTHER plane level and at that point I realized I just wasn't even having fun at that point.
The level design becomes awful, and I can only assume they spent more time making the game shiny and pretty than they did on the gameplay of this game.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Of course I did, and I keep playing it everyday because it's this fun, the only people who hate it are the ones who didn't play it.
@@lucylu3342 Gameplay variety? Difficulty? Not allowing me to boost to win? Oh, the horror! Maybe you're just a shit player and are shifting the blame to the game. There isn't even another Tails level after the tree one, seems to me like you didn't play the game at all.