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I wouldn’t say so. Brian’s gameplay was a generic button mash fest. I don’t understand why people fanboy over how brain controls, when it’s literally 90% Timmy wand boosts and 10% Brain’s kit himself
@@chuckflash At least the Stewie, Cosmo and Wanda side campaign had some funny cutscenes in spite of some of their missions being kinda tedious (especially the two missing wands one). Thankfully the Bertram and Crocker boss battle made up for it, was pretty sweet even if it took them forever to transform into Metram Overcrock
It would make me happy if they decided to maybe add a new group or two as a little bonus for the remake. Even if that's next to never happening. I remember they planned to include Gama, Chaos, Fang, Bark, Bean, Metal Sonic, Mighty, and Ray as playable characters so even just three of them getting a "new game+" would be nice
Yeah the biggest issue with the voice acting in a remake of any game pre-Shadow the Hedgehog is Deem Bristow. Dude played Eggman amazingly and it'll be a little difficult to bring him back.
Small thing that could make all the difference is having certain stages take place at different times between character campaigns, Team dark's grand metropolis takes place at night or team rose's casino stage takes place during the day. Put that along with a change of level design fo the stages and already it makes each campaign feel unique
Before I even watch this video, the first thing I can think of that absolutely needs to be changed is the level design. Not that it's bad, mind you (although some of the levels could stand to be way shorter, seriously, no single Sonic level should take 8+ minutes to beat), just that you're playing the same levels 4 times over. The only difference is that Team Rose levels are shorter while Team Dark levels are longer, that's it. Works fine if you're only planning on playing one or two stories, but given you need to finish all 4 stories to beat the game, you're clearly meant to. Either reuse the themes but with different level designs like what Sonic Adventure did, or go all out and give each team completely unique levels like with Sonic Adventure 2. Just give us something so you're not playing the game 4 times in a row. Also, online mode for the multiplayer. Should be obvious, but please. Also, please don't make us play the tutorial every single time we play Team Rose. I get that's meant to be the baby mode, but it's really annoying, and no young child is even gonna choose Team Rose first anyways.
All I want is for the flying characters to be independent and not in a constant flying ladder formation. Also a mode where you can mix-n-match teammates.
Something tells me this probably shouldn't have been my first time learning about Sonic heroes. I have never heard of this game it's so fun to listen to people talk about games I have no knowledge of
Tbh, I would do some rewrites. Specially surrounding Amy and Tails. Tails slow downfall started here with him returning to his pre Adventure self. And Amy is obsessed with Sonic to the point of literally fighting him to make him surrender. I also feel they could do some bit for Shadow who’s amnesia feels all over the place.
Heroes Amy is such a wierd topic, it's hard to say good things when they turned up her cursh for sonic up to 10000 in this game for a jokes, her chasing sonic is not the main reason why she's helping her team she wants to help find their missing friends chocola and Frothy too bad that Amy has that in you're face attitude about sonic, idk why people take the fights in this game seriously, sonic and shadow fight for no reason and it's after he sees him after he thought he died 😂
@@naitsabes6222 well in the case of Shadow and Sonic it makes more sense due to both being competitive on top of being similar. And of course, massive egos “Ultimate Lifeform” and “Fastest Thing Alive” But yeah like I said, Shadow’s amnesia could be handled better.
I think an easy way to change Amy is to have her instead want to know why "Sonic" kidnapped Froggy and Chocola. That way, you can still justify them fighting as her still being a brash and hot-headed preteen who believes Sonic is deflecting when he rightfully calls her out for not knowing what she's talking about.
What’s your idea for more teams ? I’d like silver blaze and marine but they’ll probably just do mighty ray and like honey or something Edit: they’ll definitely just do an episode metal with metal sonic tails and knuckles as like a prequel campaign.
No joke a LEGO Dimensions-esque multiverse system in which Sonic can actually team up with Timmy Turner and Brian Griffin would constitute nothing short of a holy relic. Throw Shrek and the Hamburglar in for good measure.
I'm not the biggest hero's fan, but I'm also not a fan of people complaining about "this game sucks, hero's shouldn't be remade" while Imo 1. people (like you lmfao) really really like this game and its really selfish to say it shouldn't be remade just because you don't like it. 2. even if you don't like this, you should be happy still, because the remake might fix heroes and make it a better game for you, this is what i think, since heroes gameplay is my biggest critique, im excited to see if they fix it to make it more comfortable, and so i can finally like heroes. As i said im actually really excited for heros to get remade, i think it could do alot of people, and the sonic series as a whole, alot of good, maybe sega can learn that a sonic heros esc direction is better then whatever direction frontiers is going for.
4:40 Holy crap, something SEGA and Sonic Team did that I agree with. What a rare occurrence. But seriously I would much prefer they just use the Heroes voice lines. I don't have a massive problem with the 2010's voice cast (I'm not calling a change that happened 14 years ago "new" or "recent") I actually think Tails has never sounded better even he's constantly given the worst material for both Kate and Colleen but the outright fresh cheese the Heroes cast delivers on can't be replicated. With all respect to him, I cannot imagine a world where Roger says "THE REAL SUPERPOWER OF TEAMWORK" in a way that invigorates me like Drummond did.
I would frankly prefer the redub audio with the current VAs with good direction. I have no particular nostalgia for any of the eras of VAs, I just find the current ones less grating with a few exceptions like Shadow's current ghoulish voice.
On the voice acting thing, you have to keep in mind that Sonic is a Japanese franchise. It would most likely be made in Japanese, so options for keeping the old English cast would be reliant on them not changing or adding anything in Japanese first. And even if they did try to keep the old cast, any new lines for Tails at least would require a whole new performance because his old VA isn't 8 years old anymore, and Eggman's is dead. And if those two got updated but the rest didn't, it would be weird. A new dub is basically guaranteed, I think. And I assume they got Kate back because it meant they didn't need to redo any existing voice work and would thus be cheaper.
I think they still have the raw lines for the VAs, they could touch them up and reuse them Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated doesn't even recast the VAs, they use the original dialogue (which doesn't sound bad because I think they used the Xbox version's, which has a higher quality to it)
@@Kingdom850 Yes, and keeping Coleen would mean either an inconsistent voice or redoing all the old lines with her. Bringing Kate back was the best option.
Sonic heroes was created by sonic team USA, even the texts in cutscenes on the japanese version of the game is written in English. So i doubt theres an issue of relying on the japanese side of sega to make decisions
The controls section is SO important. Most people don't respect the nuance and beauty of the game design at play here, and to be fair the game doesn't do the best job of explaining it, as you mentioned. SEGA likely opting to oversimplify the gameplay to appeal to a wider/casual audience with the remake would be the nail in the coffin for me.
You mentioned once before that Sonic isn’t an easy series as to get into like Mario is, and that sorta conveys that into gameplay. So I can see where you’re coming from in oversimplifying would be a bad thing. Maybe keep the easy stuff or other styles in side games/party games. Otherwise they shouldn’t expect big numbers for a style genre that not everyone is gonna hop aboard like it was in the 90s.
I agree about this with Heroes & I think this also applies to the first Sonic Riders too. We saw what happened with the sequel to riders, how they learned all the wrong lessons and decided to dumb down the gameplay experience rather than make an actual tutorial that teaches the player the nuances and many mechanics. Hope they don't mess up the remake because Sonic Heroes deserves major respect unlike Colors Ultimate ;)
well all things considered, this needs to be a 1-1 remake from the ground up, while colors wasn’t. gives more room to fuck it up when ur trying to adapt it for other consoles
Brian griffin sonic and Timmy in the thumbnail this is got to be the best splash dash episode edit: this was a good episode but brian and Timmy weren't in it 😢
If there’s no Knuckles _”Shit Rock!”_ I’m not buying it. Also I miss getting graded by the characters on my ranking, my favorite E rank is from Espio when he criticizes you about your training being a waste of time, my favorite A rank is Vector’s “Perfect! The work of professionals!”
I think saying that "people don't like SG because it's too fast" is oversimplifying things. For example, I don't like the controls because of their obvious lack of polish. The physics feel very slippery and inconsistent. The way there are a lot of moves that can only be used if your teammates' AI feels like collaborating. Sonic Heroes feels broken most of the time.
You forgot one crucial thing that they NEED to get right. DO. NOT. TOUCH. THE SOUNDTRACK. It's already amazing and doesn't need to go through what Colors Ultimate did. And if they have to remix the music, get *Jun Senoue* to handle it. Tomoya Ohtani, I like him, but he would replace all the kickass guitar tunes with synthesizers. Songs like Egg Fleet, Bullet Station, Egg Emperor, and especially Ocean Palace wouldn't work without Jun Senoue's incredible fretwork. Heck, the whole game wouldn't have the same vibe with a different composer. Get Jun Senoue to do it, or don't do it at all.
it will be a 1-to-1 remake of the original and will use the current voice cast and no additional characters or additional teams, the graphic will be made in unreal engine 5
I just really hope they keep Big in Team Rose. Really love the guy and I genuinely wish he could be playable in a new main sonic game after, well, Heroes.
It seems like the only constant in Team Rose is Amy. I get the team is literally her name but they're separated so much with Big or Cream receiving major absences.
I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if they changed any of the team casts. But I don't think that we'd have to worry about that, especially as Big losing Froggy is such a large plot point for Team Rose.
I want an Extra Boss Fight with Neo Metal Sonic, Before He Transforms. Something like the Silver Boss Fight from Sonic Generations, But Running and Jumping along the Egg Fleet Ships
*First Impressions* is very important in conveying to the player the flow of the game. The fact that Heroes doesn’t show the hidden elements that makes the game flow better(aside from the other issues) is going to give non Sonic players frustration. And that impression is going to give that sense of “I don’t wanna do this 4 times!”, regardless if you didn’t mean to. The mentality of Sonic in playing over and over again to get better really hinges on the first impression being good.
LSMark and Cybershell's debate about Sonic Heroes vs SA2 actually inspired me to make my own mod that addresses the complaints from that video, alot of common ones, as well as things that are suggested in this video as improvements. It's called Sonic Heroes Adventure Story Mode Rebalanced. (i can't post the link in a comment unfortunately, but that should be enough to help find it) The changes are as follows: 1) Sonic and Dark Teams each play different stages. Team Sonic gets all the faster Act 1 stages and Team Dark gets all the harder Act 2 stages. They both get the same difficulty as eachother but I made 3 versions of the mod where it's set to Team Sonic's Stages, Team Dark's Stages, or Super Hard Mode Stages for both teams. (Super Hard Mode uses whichever layout you picked, so you can still challenge yourself to do all 14 stages together if you want) 2) Team Sonic gets a free attempt at a Special Stage Emerald instead of their Act 2 so you can more easily try to get them all without grinding them out as Team Rose, or just replay the special stages themselves from the stage select menu. 3) Team Dark's Act 1 stages are instead replaced with a quick automatic transition scene that I rigged up using ingame tools. Basically, bridging the intro cutscenes with the start of where Act 2 is for them. (With any unique dialog from the stage also integrated) I put alot of effort into this aspect getting them all to work right. 4) Team Rose's stages have been tweaked so that they're not baby easy anymore and actually have about as much challenge as Team Sonic's stages, while still maintaining the Variety aspect of playing both acts at half length, which comes out to about as long as the modified Sonic and Dark campaign stage orders! 5) Team Chaotix has had all of their stages heavily rebalanced to make completing objectives less frustrating and allow you to have more of a flow through stages, not having to memorize or look up a guide to find everything. Hints are more clear, objective placements are less obtuse, layouts have been altered in spots to improve flow where it was a little too clunky, and some missions have had the count of items reduced or increased to allow for more freedom in how you complete them and making Chaotix as enjoyable to play as the good Knuckles stages from the Adventure games. 6) Hint Rings were removed. Unique dialog still plays but the constant tutorializing isn't there. The Tutorial Stage also was tweaked to have a more natural item layout and not pause you every few steps to listen to omochao. 7) I forget how this one happened but it also has fixed Team Boss fights where they no longer navigate off of stages when you use sonic wind and you actually have to use their weaknesses and stun them like real boss fights instead of spin to win. (They would basically pick the wrong landing point as being out of bounds, which is something that never got fixed and took away any learning or challenge from the fights entirely.) They feel like actual real team fights now where as long as you're paying attention and figure out who's good against what, you can win the fights with your A ranks intact and have more fun doing it. (Also I made some accommodations to the rankings to account for skipped stages when unlocking super hard mode) Also Note: Installing "physics fix" mods or anything that does more than alter graphics/sound/video can break the mod because "physics fix" mods modify the stage files, which my mod heavily relies on to work! (Also, one oversight that i never personally verified: apparently widescreen hack might be required to make it work? if that's the case then i dunno what makes that the case.) I would be beyond honored if a more people played through it and gave it a shot, I welcome any feedback. I had alot of fun making it and, for me personally, it elevates Heroes up to Adventure Tier easily. There IS a good game there, it just needed a little bit more time in the oven to iron out the wrinkles.
On the topic of Ryan voicing Sonic, he actually voiced Sonic in a fan radio show Sonic and Tails R. He sounds a little off in the first couple episodes, but by the end he sounds like heroes Sonic.
I want metal sonics new design to appear more often. You see it like 3 times before he turns into a dragon, and none of the characters interact with it at all. They don't even acknowledge the statue in the haunted stage.
For anyone watching this I'm the future, leaker #1 ended up being a white guy who lied about being a Japanese woman and harassed Sega and Atlus for information. Makes the opening 30 seconds even crazier
What Mark doesn’t realize that is even if you’re controlling someone other than sonic, it’s still slippery and janky as hell. And the voice acting is STILL terrible. Sonic heroes sucks…
In terms of voice acting, I’ll bring up that Deem Bristow is no longer with us so if they wanted to do something like add a new stage or team, they could possibly end up rerecording lines I do like most of your suggestions though. I do think to placate the people who’d still complain about Sonic’s controls, maybe stick in Frontier’s control settings so everyone can be happy
I never had that issue. I had siblings so we each took a team. But even if I didn’t have that, I don’t think I’d mind. I get my money’s worth in games. Replayability is the best ability in a game and I find Heroes very replayable. The level designs, themes, mechanics, music, even each team’s dialogue and banter are some of the best ever in the franchise. Every team has some unique elements about them too which are all fun to play with like Amy’s glide or Omega’s turrets. The game also has such great freedom reminiscent of the classics and Sonic Adventure. Discovery is always there.
I respect your opinion, but there's a lot I disagree with here. I've given this game so many chances. I've been playing it on and off since I bought it back in middle school and I still just can't enjoy it. First off, I agree with keeping the game's complexity while explaining it better to the player. Today is my first time learning that you can mash punch as power characters to keep them from lunging forward. This shouldn't be my first time learning that. I also agree about keeping the original voice lines and art style of the game. Where I begin to disagree is with the controls, I don't mind the speed, but the controls are slippery with every character, not just Sonic. This is the one Sonic game I haven't been able to get good at controlling, and I've been playing it for years. I want the remake to be at least a little less slippery. Secondly, no, I don't want to replay the game 4 times unless Sonic Team is willing to go through the effort to make new level design for each playthrough. I don't want to play the same stages 4 times, regardless of what order they're in, and I don't want to fight Egg Emperor 4 times. Like I said, I've been playing this on and off for over ten years. I've been able to complete the story mode of every mainline Sonic game except this one and Shadow. Lastly, I'm surprised you didn't touch on the special stages. Having to avoid getting hit a single time after you find the key in the some of the largest stages in the series just for one chance at one of the jankiest special stages in the series, and only in Act 2, is a little harsh. They definitely need to fix the special stage controls, maybe have it control more like Gens 3DS as another commenter mentioned, and I personally think make them a little easier to access.
I think it'd be easier if they just have some teams exclusive levels in place of others maybe... Maybe the seaside palace act 2 for the chaotix could actually take place inside one of the palaces... Team Dark could have one of the fleet levels replaced with one where you navigate inside one of the biggest ships there. Team Amy could... I guess get a better haunted mansion where all the characters are temporarily separated, making sure the player knows that some characters have unique solo movements. I say this intead of swapping levels around because I feel unless the levels are heavily altered... It could cause serious issues with the difficulty curve. Plus, I think my way adds at least a lil bit more unique content to both meshes with the original, yet feels new and exciting
Hey SplashDash, not that I had any belief there was a chance of SH being remade but I wanna say this. I personally don't think the team is ready to remake ANY of the Adventure era games (I know they said SH is not SA3, but it's definitely functionally and SA era game). I think they need to build the next game after Frontiers first, to prove that they even understand the basic concepts of the Adventure era games, right now they have no idea and would absolutely demolish the beauty of Heroes!
want to see them remix levels and add for content for each individual team. imagine if they added a night, day and sunset version of stages. would leave the game feeling fresh.
Good point about Variety, but why not just make it a Single campaign anyways? Since they all just play the same. Just make us change between Teams through the Story, and each Team have their own unique Stages. This can make replayability and Stage-Ranking more accessible, and the Story far more cohesive. Then make it so (after beat the Story) you can Replay any level as any team optionally if you so desire.
I don't hate Rouge's current VA unless if Karen Strassman got replaced and I didn't hear about. (I saw almost nothing on Sonic Dream Team so how would I know her voice changed once again?) At least she doesn't sound like a 40 year old woman like she did in 06. Isn't she 18 according to official sources? I do know Knuckles was replaced after Forces. But as it stands, by top 3 favorite voices in the Modern era are Eggman, Tails, and Rouge. (Edit: She DID not get replaced THANK GOD)
I wonder if in that case they will make different versions of the ost for each team, like a variation of seaside hill when you play as team shadow or something like that... I honestly think with a different style of paint and skybox you cold easily disguise level repetition, and it's not something like so crazy. As an example the first Donkey Kong country had 4 jungle themed levels with little gimmicks to actually make them stand appart but they do thanks to 2 of them taking place in the day, another one with rain and the third one with a sunset
I somehow agree with all of this. Outside of the level order, making Team Chaotix easier, and making Sonic less slippery, Heroes can just be remade one-to-one and that would be fine.
How to remake sonic heroes Step 1: don’t Step 2: no seriously, don’t, sonic adventure 1 literally has more potential than heroes after being remade and needs it way more than heroes
The reason why playing the game four times sucked is that the teams generally didn't have that many meaningful differences. Team Rose was a forced easy mode with levels that were too short to be satisfying, Team Sonic and Team Dark were so similar most of the time that I barely even noticed changes in enemies outside of the big boys with helmets and specifically Bullet Station starting a bit earlier. What Chaotix did to be different was almost always for the worse, with Rail Canyon having the only real meaningful level design distinction in the entire game. I don't think changing level order would really help. The teams all functionally played out the same with a lot of the differences not mattering (Amy's twirljump thing, for example). I'd rather teams just have unique takes on each theme, similar to how levels like Windy Valley had distinct first and final areas. Honestly the game would be better if they just had wholly unique levels instead of lazily stretching out a small pool of levels by forcing you to play them four times for a crappy boss, plus four more replays with mostly uninteresting secondary objectives. I don't really dislike Heroes like other people but it's just super shallow.
The problem with leafing the story as is Amy, not to say she's evil there are issues though, IDK what you’ll do because rewriting it and pretending that Sonic and Amy relationship was always fine won't work but leave it could also cause issues, maybe a middle ground would work.
For the Dreamcast actors, I think bringing back some of the remaining original voice actors as well as some replacing them with new voice actors would work. X-Men 97 pretty much brought back most of the original cartoon voice actors for the X-Men who were still alive, but because some had passed away or retired Marvel had to replace them with newer actors. So maybe SEGA could do a similar thing by bringing back the remaining voice actors who are still alive like Ryan Drummond or David Humphrey, and just hire new actors to voice them. You could get some actors from various iterations like bringing Kate Higgins to voice Dreamcast Tails or Jim Cummings to voice Dreamcast Robotink, or you hire actors who haven’t been involved in the Sonic series, like having Grant George voiced Espio, or have Bill Faggerbake as Big the Cat. Edit: wait if you don’t like the current voice cast, than how come you said that Colleen O’Shaugnessy was your favorite Tails actor?
I think it would be cool to just give some characters new levels entirely. Rose, Sonic and Dark all have the same levels, but chopped into different lengths, akin to difficulty options. So just... make a difficulty slider for Team Sonic and give Team Rose and Team Dark unique new levels or something. It'd be more ambitious, but it'd be cool. Like, idk, why not have the first level of Team Dark be escaping the base that Rouge found Omega and Shadow in?
also there's also a possiblity, probably around 50% of the remake being complete Doo Doo, I've played Sonic Colors Ultimate, and adventure 2 on my Xbox and it's good, but only because the originals were good, and the remakes/remasters are Slightly worse but not enough to ruin the game, I hope Sega does it's job because man, they always have to rush things, even frontiers looks kinda rushed
If any of the adventure formula games had a remake, heroes is the 2nd one that needed it the most. There's 06, but we're already getting that unofficially
I met both Ryan and Scott at my mall last month. I ask them if they would like to see a remake of Sonic heroes and they said that would pretty cool. Honestly I grew up with Sonic Heroes on the GameCube and I even got it signed by both of them. I gotta say I am hoping that a remake can the game have better psychics and just overall not a broken remake. Sonic colors Ultimate, while not a remake, still makes me worry that Sega might mess up on sonic heroes remake badly. Only time will tell.
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One thing i would want then to change is the way to get to the special stages
I hope that Brian and Timmy’s gameplay stays untouched because of how much they added to the experience.
Same I wish they actually fix team hoes.
I wouldn’t say so. Brian’s gameplay was a generic button mash fest. I don’t understand why people fanboy over how brain controls, when it’s literally 90% Timmy wand boosts and 10% Brain’s kit himself
@@chuckflash At least the Stewie, Cosmo and Wanda side campaign had some funny cutscenes in spite of some of their missions being kinda tedious (especially the two missing wands one). Thankfully the Bertram and Crocker boss battle made up for it, was pretty sweet even if it took them forever to transform into Metram Overcrock
Christian Weston Chandler and Dr. Ian Brandon Anderson Droid were great DLC villains. The Dimensional Merge is real.
Remember the part where Crocker tried to obtain the Phantom Ruby read it up on TV Tropes.
It would make me happy if they decided to maybe add a new group or two as a little bonus for the remake. Even if that's next to never happening. I remember they planned to include Gama, Chaos, Fang, Bark, Bean, Metal Sonic, Mighty, and Ray as playable characters so even just three of them getting a "new game+" would be nice
thatd be so sick
Yeah the biggest issue with the voice acting in a remake of any game pre-Shadow the Hedgehog is Deem Bristow. Dude played Eggman amazingly and it'll be a little difficult to bring him back.
Small thing that could make all the difference is having certain stages take place at different times between character campaigns, Team dark's grand metropolis takes place at night or team rose's casino stage takes place during the day. Put that along with a change of level design fo the stages and already it makes each campaign feel unique
Before I even watch this video, the first thing I can think of that absolutely needs to be changed is the level design. Not that it's bad, mind you (although some of the levels could stand to be way shorter, seriously, no single Sonic level should take 8+ minutes to beat), just that you're playing the same levels 4 times over. The only difference is that Team Rose levels are shorter while Team Dark levels are longer, that's it. Works fine if you're only planning on playing one or two stories, but given you need to finish all 4 stories to beat the game, you're clearly meant to.
Either reuse the themes but with different level designs like what Sonic Adventure did, or go all out and give each team completely unique levels like with Sonic Adventure 2. Just give us something so you're not playing the game 4 times in a row.
Also, online mode for the multiplayer. Should be obvious, but please. Also, please don't make us play the tutorial every single time we play Team Rose. I get that's meant to be the baby mode, but it's really annoying, and no young child is even gonna choose Team Rose first anyways.
All I want is for the flying characters to be independent and not in a constant flying ladder formation.
Also a mode where you can mix-n-match teammates.
Something tells me this probably shouldn't have been my first time learning about Sonic heroes. I have never heard of this game it's so fun to listen to people talk about games I have no knowledge of
Tbh, I would do some rewrites.
Specially surrounding Amy and Tails.
Tails slow downfall started here with him returning to his pre Adventure self.
And Amy is obsessed with Sonic to the point of literally fighting him to make him surrender.
I also feel they could do some bit for Shadow who’s amnesia feels all over the place.
Heroes Amy is such a wierd topic, it's hard to say good things when they turned up her cursh for sonic up to 10000 in this game for a jokes, her chasing sonic is not the main reason why she's helping her team she wants to help find their missing friends chocola and Frothy too bad that Amy has that in you're face attitude about sonic, idk why people take the fights in this game seriously, sonic and shadow fight for no reason and it's after he sees him after he thought he died 😂
@@naitsabes6222 well in the case of Shadow and Sonic it makes more sense due to both being competitive on top of being similar.
And of course, massive egos “Ultimate Lifeform” and “Fastest Thing Alive”
But yeah like I said, Shadow’s amnesia could be handled better.
I think an easy way to change Amy is to have her instead want to know why "Sonic" kidnapped Froggy and Chocola. That way, you can still justify them fighting as her still being a brash and hot-headed preteen who believes Sonic is deflecting when he rightfully calls her out for not knowing what she's talking about.
No
I hope that in my lifetime, we get remakes of heroes and the adventure games. Maybe even riders could make a comeback
I was actually thinking since Sonic movie 3 is based off of Sonic Adventure 2 maybe Adventure 1 & 2 could get remade.
What’s your idea for more teams ?
I’d like silver blaze and marine but they’ll probably just do mighty ray and like honey or something
Edit: they’ll definitely just do an episode metal with metal sonic tails and knuckles as like a prequel campaign.
No joke a LEGO Dimensions-esque multiverse system in which Sonic can actually team up with Timmy Turner and Brian Griffin would constitute nothing short of a holy relic. Throw Shrek and the Hamburglar in for good measure.
City escape is a better first level then seaside hill
If only they remade sonic riders/zerogravity :(
I'm not the biggest hero's fan, but I'm also not a fan of people complaining about "this game sucks, hero's shouldn't be remade" while Imo
1. people (like you lmfao) really really like this game and its really selfish to say it shouldn't be remade just because you don't like it.
2. even if you don't like this, you should be happy still, because the remake might fix heroes and make it a better game for you, this is what i think, since heroes gameplay is my biggest critique, im excited to see if they fix it to make it more comfortable, and so i can finally like heroes.
As i said im actually really excited for heros to get remade, i think it could do alot of people, and the sonic series as a whole, alot of good, maybe sega can learn that a sonic heros esc direction is better then whatever direction frontiers is going for.
they should make the graphics look exactly like the cutscenes, we have the technology for it
4:40 Holy crap, something SEGA and Sonic Team did that I agree with. What a rare occurrence. But seriously I would much prefer they just use the Heroes voice lines. I don't have a massive problem with the 2010's voice cast (I'm not calling a change that happened 14 years ago "new" or "recent") I actually think Tails has never sounded better even he's constantly given the worst material for both Kate and Colleen but the outright fresh cheese the Heroes cast delivers on can't be replicated. With all respect to him, I cannot imagine a world where Roger says "THE REAL SUPERPOWER OF TEAMWORK" in a way that invigorates me like Drummond did.
I would frankly prefer the redub audio with the current VAs with good direction. I have no particular nostalgia for any of the eras of VAs, I just find the current ones less grating with a few exceptions like Shadow's current ghoulish voice.
SHIT ROCK YEA
They're bringing back the first dark age game? Are they trying to off Sonic???
The first dark age game was Free Riders
@@HazeX2 that was a while later
@@Scroteydada Yep, but it was the start of the dark age of Sonic
@@HazeX2 that makes no sense
First Dark Age game was Sonic 1
Wow I'm early.(because im Subbed you should do that too.)
I’m not sure if it’s going to happen honestly.
A heros remake would be pretty cool
The thumbnail is proof your L.S Mack (also your voice)
On the voice acting thing, you have to keep in mind that Sonic is a Japanese franchise. It would most likely be made in Japanese, so options for keeping the old English cast would be reliant on them not changing or adding anything in Japanese first. And even if they did try to keep the old cast, any new lines for Tails at least would require a whole new performance because his old VA isn't 8 years old anymore, and Eggman's is dead. And if those two got updated but the rest didn't, it would be weird. A new dub is basically guaranteed, I think.
And I assume they got Kate back because it meant they didn't need to redo any existing voice work and would thus be cheaper.
I think they still have the raw lines for the VAs, they could touch them up and reuse them
Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated doesn't even recast the VAs, they use the original dialogue (which doesn't sound bad because I think they used the Xbox version's, which has a higher quality to it)
They got Kate back because there were actual new lines in Colors Ultimate.
@@Kingdom850 Yes, and keeping Coleen would mean either an inconsistent voice or redoing all the old lines with her. Bringing Kate back was the best option.
Sonic heroes was created by sonic team USA, even the texts in cutscenes on the japanese version of the game is written in English.
So i doubt theres an issue of relying on the japanese side of sega to make decisions
@@IsanSamaa I'm pretty sure the Japanese side would make the remake, not the division that closed in 2008.
The controls section is SO important. Most people don't respect the nuance and beauty of the game design at play here, and to be fair the game doesn't do the best job of explaining it, as you mentioned. SEGA likely opting to oversimplify the gameplay to appeal to a wider/casual audience with the remake would be the nail in the coffin for me.
You mentioned once before that Sonic isn’t an easy series as to get into like Mario is, and that sorta conveys that into gameplay. So I can see where you’re coming from in oversimplifying would be a bad thing. Maybe keep the easy stuff or other styles in side games/party games. Otherwise they shouldn’t expect big numbers for a style genre that not everyone is gonna hop aboard like it was in the 90s.
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I agree about this with Heroes & I think this also applies to the first Sonic Riders too. We saw what happened with the sequel to riders, how they learned all the wrong lessons and decided to dumb down the gameplay experience rather than make an actual tutorial that teaches the player the nuances and many mechanics. Hope they don't mess up the remake because Sonic Heroes deserves major respect unlike Colors Ultimate ;)
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What we need is a better tutorial because what we already have is great control wise. We just need the game to actually tell you about them.
“Don’t fuck it up” he says
Sonic Colors Ultimate: here we go again
At least the Generation remaster doesn't seem to be bad from what we've seen
@@BomberDuckWe’ve barely seen any of it. Most of the trailer was on Shadow’s campaign.
@@boydixonentertainment yeah, from what we've seen in the first half of the trailer it's barely changed, for better or worse
well all things considered, this needs to be a 1-1 remake from the ground up, while colors wasn’t. gives more room to fuck it up when ur trying to adapt it for other consoles
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How to remake sonic heroes:
1. Replace tails' "leave it to me" and "WHEE!" with "Bababooey" and "woah ass ahoy"
2. add baby gronk andrew bateman and ohio
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this would unironically improve the game
Praying they keep the og voice cast. Hearing the awkward and corny yet charming voice delivery from the cast is what made this game so memorable imo
Most of the cast either can’t do the voice or have grown up or passed
Switching straight to Japanese if they release it with the og performances
@@ABCodeX I'll switch to JP if they use the current voice cast, I might not even buy it
it won’t happen
multiple actors are either dead or too old, and even if they used the original lines they’d have to pay royalties
@@emperortoho They could just re-use the old voicelines
Brian griffin sonic and Timmy in the thumbnail this is got to be the best splash dash episode
edit: this was a good episode but brian and Timmy weren't in it 😢
The leaker never said it was a sure thing Brian was in it!
How do we tell him ?
If there’s no Knuckles _”Shit Rock!”_ I’m not buying it. Also I miss getting graded by the characters on my ranking, my favorite E rank is from Espio when he criticizes you about your training being a waste of time, my favorite A rank is Vector’s “Perfect! The work of professionals!”
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I think saying that "people don't like SG because it's too fast" is oversimplifying things.
For example, I don't like the controls because of their obvious lack of polish.
The physics feel very slippery and inconsistent.
The way there are a lot of moves that can only be used if your teammates' AI feels like collaborating.
Sonic Heroes feels broken most of the time.
skill issue
They should keep the new cast but bring back Ryan as Metal Sonic, then have him say "I. AM. THE. REAL. SONIC"
0:25 “Because everyone liked leaker number 1 (Midori)”
Well that aged poorly
You forgot one crucial thing that they NEED to get right. DO. NOT. TOUCH. THE SOUNDTRACK. It's already amazing and doesn't need to go through what Colors Ultimate did.
And if they have to remix the music, get *Jun Senoue* to handle it. Tomoya Ohtani, I like him, but he would replace all the kickass guitar tunes with synthesizers. Songs like Egg Fleet, Bullet Station, Egg Emperor, and especially Ocean Palace wouldn't work without Jun Senoue's incredible fretwork. Heck, the whole game wouldn't have the same vibe with a different composer. Get Jun Senoue to do it, or don't do it at all.
This Thumbnail is a fever dream. What if you never watched a LS Mark video?
Why are you talking about Splash’s friend?
if sega really does remake the game then please for the love of god fix those god damn pinball physics
They couldn't even be assed to have good Pinball physics in Forces and Frontiers.
it will be a 1-to-1 remake of the original and will use the current voice cast and no additional characters or additional teams, the graphic will be made in unreal engine 5
Oml I've thought so much about remaking Sonic Heroes. Despite its flaws, it's my favourite modern Sonic game and it deserves an honorable comeback.
Tbh I think Heroes should get a remake before the adventure games because it’s more simple than SA 1&2
I just really hope they keep Big in Team Rose. Really love the guy and I genuinely wish he could be playable in a new main sonic game after, well, Heroes.
It seems like the only constant in Team Rose is Amy. I get the team is literally her name but they're separated so much with Big or Cream receiving major absences.
I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if they changed any of the team casts. But I don't think that we'd have to worry about that, especially as Big losing Froggy is such a large plot point for Team Rose.
I think Cel Shaded graphics would look great with Heroes and the two Adventure games
So something like Jet Set radio?
Agree i think the cel shaded artstyle would fit sonic perfectly
@@TheArceusftw Just look at some of the various Sonic mods for Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. The characters look stunning when cel shaded.
I want an Extra Boss Fight with Neo Metal Sonic, Before He Transforms. Something like the Silver Boss Fight from Sonic Generations, But Running and Jumping along the Egg Fleet Ships
*First Impressions* is very important in conveying to the player the flow of the game. The fact that Heroes doesn’t show the hidden elements that makes the game flow better(aside from the other issues) is going to give non Sonic players frustration. And that impression is going to give that sense of “I don’t wanna do this 4 times!”, regardless if you didn’t mean to. The mentality of Sonic in playing over and over again to get better really hinges on the first impression being good.
LSMark and Cybershell's debate about Sonic Heroes vs SA2 actually inspired me to make my own mod that addresses the complaints from that video, alot of common ones, as well as things that are suggested in this video as improvements.
It's called Sonic Heroes Adventure Story Mode Rebalanced. (i can't post the link in a comment unfortunately, but that should be enough to help find it)
The changes are as follows:
1) Sonic and Dark Teams each play different stages. Team Sonic gets all the faster Act 1 stages and Team Dark gets all the harder Act 2 stages. They both get the same difficulty as eachother but I made 3 versions of the mod where it's set to Team Sonic's Stages, Team Dark's Stages, or Super Hard Mode Stages for both teams. (Super Hard Mode uses whichever layout you picked, so you can still challenge yourself to do all 14 stages together if you want)
2) Team Sonic gets a free attempt at a Special Stage Emerald instead of their Act 2 so you can more easily try to get them all without grinding them out as Team Rose, or just replay the special stages themselves from the stage select menu.
3) Team Dark's Act 1 stages are instead replaced with a quick automatic transition scene that I rigged up using ingame tools. Basically, bridging the intro cutscenes with the start of where Act 2 is for them. (With any unique dialog from the stage also integrated) I put alot of effort into this aspect getting them all to work right.
4) Team Rose's stages have been tweaked so that they're not baby easy anymore and actually have about as much challenge as Team Sonic's stages, while still maintaining the Variety aspect of playing both acts at half length, which comes out to about as long as the modified Sonic and Dark campaign stage orders!
5) Team Chaotix has had all of their stages heavily rebalanced to make completing objectives less frustrating and allow you to have more of a flow through stages, not having to memorize or look up a guide to find everything. Hints are more clear, objective placements are less obtuse, layouts have been altered in spots to improve flow where it was a little too clunky, and some missions have had the count of items reduced or increased to allow for more freedom in how you complete them and making Chaotix as enjoyable to play as the good Knuckles stages from the Adventure games.
6) Hint Rings were removed. Unique dialog still plays but the constant tutorializing isn't there. The Tutorial Stage also was tweaked to have a more natural item layout and not pause you every few steps to listen to omochao.
7) I forget how this one happened but it also has fixed Team Boss fights where they no longer navigate off of stages when you use sonic wind and you actually have to use their weaknesses and stun them like real boss fights instead of spin to win. (They would basically pick the wrong landing point as being out of bounds, which is something that never got fixed and took away any learning or challenge from the fights entirely.) They feel like actual real team fights now where as long as you're paying attention and figure out who's good against what, you can win the fights with your A ranks intact and have more fun doing it. (Also I made some accommodations to the rankings to account for skipped stages when unlocking super hard mode)
Also Note: Installing "physics fix" mods or anything that does more than alter graphics/sound/video can break the mod because "physics fix" mods modify the stage files, which my mod heavily relies on to work! (Also, one oversight that i never personally verified: apparently widescreen hack might be required to make it work? if that's the case then i dunno what makes that the case.)
I would be beyond honored if a more people played through it and gave it a shot, I welcome any feedback. I had alot of fun making it and, for me personally, it elevates Heroes up to Adventure Tier easily. There IS a good game there, it just needed a little bit more time in the oven to iron out the wrinkles.
Uhuh.. Yeah... Okay.
Really important question.
Can you switch characters mid-air ?
On the topic of Ryan voicing Sonic, he actually voiced Sonic in a fan radio show Sonic and Tails R. He sounds a little off in the first couple episodes, but by the end he sounds like heroes Sonic.
He does sound great. But I'd fine with keeping the old voice lines. It would be great to hear David Humphrey as Shadow again.
Yeah it all comes back to good voice direction.
Hey didn’t the creator of that show claim she slept with Ryan Drummond?
Honestly if all they change is letting the fly characters walk, I'll be satisfied
I want metal sonics new design to appear more often. You see it like 3 times before he turns into a dragon, and none of the characters interact with it at all. They don't even acknowledge the statue in the haunted stage.
That statue used to creep the f*ck out of me when I was a kid 😂
@@darudesandstrom1067 the statue at the end with both eggman and metal sonic??
@@tdenzel101 yeah the metal sonic one more specifically, I thought it was some kind of demon hahaha
14 seconds and 1 view, SplashDash has really fell off.
For anyone watching this I'm the future, leaker #1 ended up being a white guy who lied about being a Japanese woman and harassed Sega and Atlus for information.
Makes the opening 30 seconds even crazier
Remove the stupid constant ice psychics
What Mark doesn’t realize that is even if you’re controlling someone other than sonic, it’s still slippery and janky as hell. And the voice acting is STILL terrible. Sonic heroes sucks…
Splash dash uploads at the same time Keanu gets announced as Shadow. Wild
basically an LS mark friend wants Sonic Herous to be ( mostly ) faithful remake, like Super Mario RPG
11:35 I obtained a strong belief on what this man is speaking
Very well spoken, I feel the same way!
Peter Griffin: "This is situation is weirder than the time brian was in sonic heroes."
In terms of voice acting, I’ll bring up that Deem Bristow is no longer with us so if they wanted to do something like add a new stage or team, they could possibly end up rerecording lines
I do like most of your suggestions though. I do think to placate the people who’d still complain about Sonic’s controls, maybe stick in Frontier’s control settings so everyone can be happy
Best way to remake Sonic Heroes by Fixing Slippery Controls
Sonic Team: (adds sliders)
How to remake Sonic Heroes...
You don't >:(
I really hated playing the same levels FOUR TIMES.
I never had that issue. I had siblings so we each took a team. But even if I didn’t have that, I don’t think I’d mind. I get my money’s worth in games. Replayability is the best ability in a game and I find Heroes very replayable. The level designs, themes, mechanics, music, even each team’s dialogue and banter are some of the best ever in the franchise. Every team has some unique elements about them too which are all fun to play with like Amy’s glide or Omega’s turrets. The game also has such great freedom reminiscent of the classics and Sonic Adventure. Discovery is always there.
I respect your opinion, but there's a lot I disagree with here. I've given this game so many chances. I've been playing it on and off since I bought it back in middle school and I still just can't enjoy it. First off, I agree with keeping the game's complexity while explaining it better to the player. Today is my first time learning that you can mash punch as power characters to keep them from lunging forward. This shouldn't be my first time learning that. I also agree about keeping the original voice lines and art style of the game. Where I begin to disagree is with the controls, I don't mind the speed, but the controls are slippery with every character, not just Sonic. This is the one Sonic game I haven't been able to get good at controlling, and I've been playing it for years. I want the remake to be at least a little less slippery.
Secondly, no, I don't want to replay the game 4 times unless Sonic Team is willing to go through the effort to make new level design for each playthrough. I don't want to play the same stages 4 times, regardless of what order they're in, and I don't want to fight Egg Emperor 4 times. Like I said, I've been playing this on and off for over ten years. I've been able to complete the story mode of every mainline Sonic game except this one and Shadow.
Lastly, I'm surprised you didn't touch on the special stages. Having to avoid getting hit a single time after you find the key in the some of the largest stages in the series just for one chance at one of the jankiest special stages in the series, and only in Act 2, is a little harsh. They definitely need to fix the special stage controls, maybe have it control more like Gens 3DS as another commenter mentioned, and I personally think make them a little easier to access.
Where's Tails and Knuckles? 😨
I think it'd be easier if they just have some teams exclusive levels in place of others maybe... Maybe the seaside palace act 2 for the chaotix could actually take place inside one of the palaces...
Team Dark could have one of the fleet levels replaced with one where you navigate inside one of the biggest ships there.
Team Amy could... I guess get a better haunted mansion where all the characters are temporarily separated, making sure the player knows that some characters have unique solo movements.
I say this intead of swapping levels around because I feel unless the levels are heavily altered... It could cause serious issues with the difficulty curve. Plus, I think my way adds at least a lil bit more unique content to both meshes with the original, yet feels new and exciting
The voice of Knuckles in Sonic Heroes was my favorite in the series
Ngl I trust Sonic Team after Frontiers. Probably a dumb decision.
I would make it so that the last story unlocks after at least 1 playthrough is completed and the emeralds are collected.
sonic heroes was a buggy rushed mess theres a reason that it didnt even get 10% of the playtime i got out of sa1 and 2
Yeah add another team making a game that's too long and repetitive longer and more repetitive. Sounds like an amazing idea.
Youre blinded by nostalogia heroes is worse than SA2
God you fanboys can be so damn stupid. Lol
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The models not changing i can handle, but those plasticky textures have to go
Mark somehow barley talks about this game despite it being his favorite.
Hey SplashDash, not that I had any belief there was a chance of SH being remade but I wanna say this.
I personally don't think the team is ready to remake ANY of the Adventure era games (I know they said SH is not SA3, but it's definitely functionally and SA era game).
I think they need to build the next game after Frontiers first, to prove that they even understand the basic concepts of the Adventure era games, right now they have no idea and would absolutely demolish the beauty of Heroes!
want to see them remix levels and add for content for each individual team. imagine if they added a night, day and sunset version of stages. would leave the game feeling fresh.
wouldn't be cooler if the game itself looked like the cutscenes
Good point about Variety, but why not just make it a Single campaign anyways? Since they all just play the same.
Just make us change between Teams through the Story, and each Team have their own unique Stages.
This can make replayability and Stage-Ranking more accessible, and the Story far more cohesive.
Then make it so (after beat the Story) you can Replay any level as any team optionally if you so desire.
If you hate being sonic fan then why the hell are you a Sonic fan
the leaker lore is crazy in the lost few days LOL
Sa1 and 2 are significantly better lol!
1 view in 10 seconds? You really fell off
I don't hate Rouge's current VA unless if Karen Strassman got replaced and I didn't hear about. (I saw almost nothing on Sonic Dream Team so how would I know her voice changed once again?) At least she doesn't sound like a 40 year old woman like she did in 06. Isn't she 18 according to official sources? I do know Knuckles was replaced after Forces. But as it stands, by top 3 favorite voices in the Modern era are Eggman, Tails, and Rouge.
(Edit: She DID not get replaced THANK GOD)
I wonder if in that case they will make different versions of the ost for each team, like a variation of seaside hill when you play as team shadow or something like that...
I honestly think with a different style of paint and skybox you cold easily disguise level repetition, and it's not something like so crazy. As an example the first Donkey Kong country had 4 jungle themed levels with little gimmicks to actually make them stand appart but they do thanks to 2 of them taking place in the day, another one with rain and the third one with a sunset
I somehow agree with all of this. Outside of the level order, making Team Chaotix easier, and making Sonic less slippery, Heroes can just be remade one-to-one and that would be fine.
the Brian Griffin in the thumbnail almost made me think this was an LS Mark video.
Thank you for giving sonic heroes some love, it’s my favorite sonic game of all time! 💙
How to remake sonic heroes
Step 1: don’t
Step 2: no seriously, don’t, sonic adventure 1 literally has more potential than heroes after being remade and needs it way more than heroes
Tbh you fell off. 34 likes in less than a minute. Smh
Slap Dash
Maybe if the remake happens, you can use it as a reason to talk about why This is your favorite game
The reason why playing the game four times sucked is that the teams generally didn't have that many meaningful differences. Team Rose was a forced easy mode with levels that were too short to be satisfying, Team Sonic and Team Dark were so similar most of the time that I barely even noticed changes in enemies outside of the big boys with helmets and specifically Bullet Station starting a bit earlier. What Chaotix did to be different was almost always for the worse, with Rail Canyon having the only real meaningful level design distinction in the entire game.
I don't think changing level order would really help. The teams all functionally played out the same with a lot of the differences not mattering (Amy's twirljump thing, for example). I'd rather teams just have unique takes on each theme, similar to how levels like Windy Valley had distinct first and final areas. Honestly the game would be better if they just had wholly unique levels instead of lazily stretching out a small pool of levels by forcing you to play them four times for a crappy boss, plus four more replays with mostly uninteresting secondary objectives. I don't really dislike Heroes like other people but it's just super shallow.
The problem with leafing the story as is Amy, not to say she's evil there are issues though, IDK what you’ll do because rewriting it and pretending that Sonic and Amy relationship was always fine won't work but leave it could also cause issues, maybe a middle ground would work.
For the Dreamcast actors, I think bringing back some of the remaining original voice actors as well as some replacing them with new voice actors would work.
X-Men 97 pretty much brought back most of the original cartoon voice actors for the X-Men who were still alive, but because some had passed away or retired Marvel had to replace them with newer actors. So maybe SEGA could do a similar thing by bringing back the remaining voice actors who are still alive like Ryan Drummond or David Humphrey, and just hire new actors to voice them. You could get some actors from various iterations like bringing Kate Higgins to voice Dreamcast Tails or Jim Cummings to voice Dreamcast Robotink, or you hire actors who haven’t been involved in the Sonic series, like having Grant George voiced Espio, or have Bill Faggerbake as Big the Cat.
Edit: wait if you don’t like the current voice cast, than how come you said that Colleen O’Shaugnessy was your favorite Tails actor?
If you wanna see Ryan doing a better sonic impression more recently you should check out sonic and tails r
I think it would be cool to just give some characters new levels entirely. Rose, Sonic and Dark all have the same levels, but chopped into different lengths, akin to difficulty options.
So just... make a difficulty slider for Team Sonic and give Team Rose and Team Dark unique new levels or something.
It'd be more ambitious, but it'd be cool. Like, idk, why not have the first level of Team Dark be escaping the base that Rouge found Omega and Shadow in?
If they remake it, they will 100% use the new voices and think that’d ruin it
also there's also a possiblity, probably around 50% of the remake being complete Doo Doo, I've played Sonic Colors Ultimate, and adventure 2 on my Xbox and it's good, but only because the originals were good, and the remakes/remasters are Slightly worse but not enough to ruin the game, I hope Sega does it's job because man, they always have to rush things, even frontiers looks kinda rushed
Why do you sound so much like LS Mark?
Because he is LS Mark
If any of the adventure formula games had a remake, heroes is the 2nd one that needed it the most. There's 06, but we're already getting that unofficially
I met both Ryan and Scott at my mall last month. I ask them if they would like to see a remake of Sonic heroes and they said that would pretty cool. Honestly I grew up with Sonic Heroes on the GameCube and I even got it signed by both of them. I gotta say I am hoping that a remake can the game have better psychics and just overall not a broken remake. Sonic colors Ultimate, while not a remake, still makes me worry that Sega might mess up on sonic heroes remake badly. Only time will tell.