Yeah, that's what I always assumed it was. It's also why you can't just add more "ammo" by picking up others of the same weapons like you can with the guns
Fun fact: There's a strafe button in this game that makes the launchers insanely more fluid to use, since you can position yourself normally and then press R to align yourself more precisely with your target. Considering that otherwise the cannons are pretty solid in terms of damage/ammo ratio and single-shot effectiveness, that feature instantly elevates them to top 10. Plus, R can also act as a break button, making ground control more, well, controllable.
I... I completed this game's expert mode... And I just now learned... That there's a STRAFE BUTTON?! This is like the "blocking the Egg Emperor" thing all over again!
Another fun fact: This is a super helpful function that, if you know it exists, somebody probably told you. Because the game for some reason never tells you about it despite peppering tutorials in each stage.
@@jcdenton2187 Fun Fact: Despite his immense campiness, Black Doom is the most helpful character in the whole game, telling you very valuable information such as "There are maps on the walls (The Doom)" and "It may not look it, but I assure you, the Aircraft is taking damage (Air Fleet)"
By the way, if you hold down the right bumper or whatever, Shadow will start walking and strafing around his enemies, making it really easy to aim rocket launcher weapons like the Heal Gun and the Grenade Launcher
Proper use of the Heal Cannon lets you skip a full minute worth of waiting on Cosmic Fall. Most of the time the gun is useless, but getting hero meter when you shouldn’t is bonkers.
Intersting thing about the Ring-Shot: The rings fired from the weapon match Shadow's speed. This means that if Shadow is just walking, the rings won't travel very fast at all. However, if Shadow is at his top speed, the rings will actually match that speed
It's a neat concept, executed badly. The very nature of the design makes the stories almost always convoluted and all over the place, and Levels won't flow well into the next. If it had more restraint it could work better I think.
@@jcdenton2187 little me was so dumb that I got confused by the branching paths and didn't know why the level changed each time I played it. Looking back on it, it is a cool idea but the execution would probably work in a much better game
@@jcdenton2187 The frustrating part is that there were obviously a few people who cared, because all 600+ mathematically possible unique story paths all have their own unique names that, if my memory serves correctly, you can go back and rewatch all of the cutscenes you would experience in that unique order (or at least see the path you took in the map).
Part of this is definitely availability. Like yes, the Gatling gun is one of the best in the game, but it’s only available in the late game levels whereas the sub machine gun is available much earlier
And if you get all 5 keys in Lethal Highway, but it's better to just get the item container at the beginning of the stage when it turns into an invincibility power-up to complete the Hero mission.
Availability also matters because you can pick up multiple instances of the same weapon to get more ammo for it, which can make common weapons like the flash shot really, really good in a lot of early game missions
@@bsabradybunch550 sonic nowdays would feel very put off by that, but if it was early 2000s sonic or late 90s sonic, he would be very okay with it, even thanking mario
@@GooberPipebomb Huh? Do you mean LS Mark? This is Splash Dash, I know they're friends but they're totally two separate people, man! EDIT: damn it he edited it so it said friend
What conversation? He repeated the same talking points people shit on this game for ad nauseum, not knowing simple/knowable details about yhe game or its weapons, and uses in speedruns, expert mode, or even casual play. The game is not that good. I'll give him that. But it seems like he didn't know what he was talking about and he used the ranking topic as a chance to shit on a game that people already hate. So again. What "conversation"?
fun fact: the heavy machine gun could shit out immense damage to kill egg breaker in less than 10 seconds if you just dislocate your thumb and mash it like a madman
one of the fight with eggman where you're paired with omega can be beaten in like 10 seconds by turning around, jumping on a turret and shooting eggman, easiest a-rank
The Heal Gun is useful for one mission. One of the hero missions require you to heal a bunch of scientists, and normally you need to find these huge ass healing pods, and carry them to the scientists, but fuck that. The Heal Gun makes that mission much quicker and easier. I played this game a lot as a kid, and I never used those stupid healing pods. My favorite gun is the Egg Vacuum. I agree that the normal vacuum is shit, but the Egg Vacuum just sucks in everything in it's path, it's hilarious
Does no one remember this thing giving you 3 extra lives upon running out of uses? It's the advanced version, yes, but when you're wreckless and wanting to blitz through early stages, or more vexing - expert mode - this thing comes in more handy just to build up that life counter and fill the guages like no other. Especially in the first 4 stages.
I honestly think this game could have worked if more effort was put in. Imagine a TPS with the speed of a Sonic game. There's three things they should have done that could have improved the game. 1. Make the controls more like a traditional shooter. 2. Change the weapon system to be more balanced. For instance, make the lock-on weapons do more damage than the automatic guns. 3. Change the level design to be more arena focused. What I mean by this is to make it that combat takes place in large open arenas, which could improve the combat by giving you enough space for speed. And when I say arenas I don't mean giant boxes with nothing but enemies in it, they could put in structures and obstacles to make the game more interesting. They could also put in more traditional sonic platforming in between the arenas to break up the combat.
I guess the idealised version of Shadow The Hedgehog would be that one Crack in Time level with the brain guys and all the ramps, before the game forgot to design anything else around the hoverboots.
You dare calling the Shadow Rifle a "slightly stronger gun"? Have you used this weapon on the President's escape jet or the spaceship of the Black Arms? This is without a doubt the most useful weapon in the game. Not to mention how it shreds through giant enemies. Also, Shadow The Hedgehog is the best Sonic game ever produced.
@@jimbomclimbo7467 I hope they aren't. Look, far be it from me to say that Shadow the Hedgehog was a great game, but to me it's refreshing when someone expresses joy for an unpopular game instead of (like almost everyone else) just parroting that it's trash as if that's the only valid opinion to have about it.
I don't understand why everyone hates this game so much. Yes its edgy, but that doesn't mean the game is automatically garbage. I agree that it's one of the best Sonic games. It's fully 3D, it improved a lot of things from Heroes, it has good level design, great level themes, music that slaps, beautiful cutscenes and graphics, interesting weapons, squash and stretch, a world that actually feels alive with characters that feel like themselves, and a lot of effort and heart that you don't find in a lot of games these days.
Oh thank god, someone else who loves this game Personally I also think it is the best Sonic game hands down, which is quite easy since it's the only game in the franchise I like
Yes... as is the case with most disposable weapons in every game with that function. Obviously they have to have a durability counter otherwise theyd be OP and unbalanced or theyd balance it by making its damage absolute dogshit. This is the case in every Yakuzs game except for Majima's bat and no one says anything about that
Unfortunately Sega and Sonic Team are a bunch of cowards who run away from almost any idea for a game if it failed once, which is why we hadn't had a game in the adventure formula since 06 (forget that that game was bad because of completely different reasons than what gameplay formula they used).
@@inendlesspain4724 Yeah, imagine if Nintendo was stupid like that. „Quickly, cancel Donkey Kong Country, Wario Land and Yoshi’s Island and don’t even think about ever creating Luigi’s Mansion! Mario is Missing was a failure so we can never have any other character star in their own game ever again!“
Well...it’s more of critics faults as to why they never put other characters in main title Sonic games these days..... I highly doubt they would stop using these characters had not so many critics flamed SEGA for changing Shadow and the others personalities. Sure, critics are needed to give a score on the game, but it can also affect the company that created that specific game as well. The point is, is that critics (sort of) pressured SEGA to never use any of their characters in their main title Sonic games ever again.
What "problems" are you talking about? Everybody knows Heroes never had any problems whatsoever, which is why it's the best game in the series, an universal opinion held throughout the whole Sonic fandom. Maybe you're thinking about that stinking awful game SA2 ;)
Same. Its really amazing how he comes to his conclusions (especially as I thing Shadow actually fixed many of Heroes problems like that combat isn't slow and afoul anymore)
The way you keep saying "options" throughout this video sounded like you were implying that you get a large assortment of guns in each stage, which is not true. The pistol, while indeed one of the worst weapons in the game, is only one of two that appears in the GUN Fortress Diablon boss fight, but is more effective against it if you get your dark gauge full, so that's kind of a bad example. The Satellite Laser can break through enemy Shields, destroy Artificial Chaos instantly, and the Black Alien Giants holding the hammers that can deflect normal gunshots. It can also activate switches behind locked doors. Lock-on weapons like the Rocket Launcher allow you to not waste ammo and are more reliable than regular guns if you're good with aiming on your own. There are some instances like in Gun Fortress where you're going downwards on the monorail and regular shots will not hit the soldiers. The Samurai Blade Beam I believe one-shots enemies, but it doesn't lock on, so I don't use it, but it has FOUR uses, not 3. Lastly about the weapons, the Vacuum Egg will give you 3 extra lives if you expend 30 ammo uses of it. It only gets expended if you suck something in, so you can be a bit more reckless with it, and the Alien version will let you beat 2 enemies with a single shot, something no other gun in the game can do. It's also necessary for progression in Final Haunt, unless you know where to specifically use Chaos Control. I don't really understand your criticisms with the mission structure or level design, aside from Lost Impact, which isn't even the worst stage in the game imo, so I'd have to see what you think is a good level.
I just discovered another use for the Satellite Laser in speedruns: it can lock on to switches behind doors. You can use it to open the door at the beginning of The Doom that will let you skip the majority of the stage which is right next to a special weapon crate. It also spawns the light dash ring trails in Cosmic Fall that let you skip ahead to the Computer Room without needing all 5 keys.
I played Shadow a while, even unlocked and passed through the expert mode (which kinda cool since levels contained a huge differences comparing to original stages) One of my favorite Sonic games and embodiment of "so bad it's good" term
You aren't alone. As much as the idea of a Sonic character packing heat is so stupid, the gunplay is very fun and interesting. It's no Ratchet and Clank or Halo, but I'd love to see it return and polished. Also the game was heavily inspired by games like GTA and Halo. That's why Shadow carries energy swords and hijacks cars. Edit: Also just found out that Jak 2 also inspired this game, as Iizuka mentioned after finishing developing Heroes, Jak 2 was a game he wanted to play. Seeing how that game is much darker than it's predecessor, has guns and vehicles, we can blame that game for Shadow existing. But, Jak 2 is a good game, and Shadow is a bad game.
"Fuck it, this is my list, you can make your own" I make a lot of lists of best and worst things, and in my top 10 Sonic games, this game is at number 2. That sentence is my explanation as to why.
Well I thing that while he was next level dumb on the debate is there more to him. Like the fact that he is so lovingly ignoring all of the issues Heroes had that Shadow fixed and bitched about controls when he praises the game that has some of the worst controls in the series as the best.
@@Pheeze it was a debate to determine which game was better, SA2 or Heroes. The whole thing was kinda hard to listen to since Mark refused to acknowledge any flaws with Heroes and would repeatedly interrupt Cybershell, but if you want to watch the whole thing you can find it by just looking up "Ls Mark Cybershell debate"
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't mind how Shadow controls. His great speed with the ability to stop instantly makes it really good when you know what you are doing
Im pretty sure the idea they were going for with the melee weapon ammo was durability. You can only hit things hard with a blunt object but so many times before it breaks.
the thing with the egg pawns, is that the ps2 graphic didn't do them any favor. coming off the E-100 serie, they tried to give the same "mas producted to be efficient"feeling, while making them more bouncy and cartoony like the badnick. the higher poligon version from more recent games looks way better to me
the vacuum is so good for its brutality though. you just sucked in a gun soldier, completely destroying his bones and spine, killing him instantly, then shot him at a wall and turned him into nothingness. that gun was amazing and i always used it for that wacky shit
I don't think it needs to be said at this point, but the guns are balanced by means of rarity and availability. Earlier levels tend to have lower-tier weapons to fight the lower-tier enemies, later levels provide you with higher-tier weapons for higher-tier enemies. And then from there, the levels tend to include more of the weaker levels for that particular stage, which further balances out the weapons. You can pick up 8 Mediocre guns and run around with 160 ammo, or 1-2 Good guns, and only have 20-40. There are some exceptions, like GUN Fortress, which is more of a power-trip, immediately giving you lots and lots of Gattling guns.
The Heal Cannon is actually pretty cool, it has a pretty good functionality too, it allows you to cheese A ranks by rekilling the same enemies infinitely while you're in one of the Chaos modes, since they get unlimited ammo, and even doing the action will give you one of the meters filled up.
"if I ever see the the worm shooter and the wide worm shooter next to each other, why would I never just go for the wide?" Well you see, the reason a lot of weapons feel the same but have slightly better versions of themselves like how worm shooter is because weaker versions of guns are in the early game and stronger versions are (generally speaking) in the later parts of the game. Like yes, the SMG isn't very good compared to the minigun or the assault rifle, but it's significantly more common and the other 2 flat out do not exist in most stages. As far as the worm shooters go, this is a detail you may have missed but the worms in the game do change color as you progress to show they drop a different worm shooter, the final stage worms having the final versions of the worm shooter that are actually half decent.
Ok hear me out: a remake of Shadow the Hedgehog that’s set in an open world metropolis where you complete missions to progress. Kind of like Jak II or Batman: Arkham City
Oh I get it - you're so used to how badly Heroes plays that the upgraded controls throw you off. Makes sense, and explains why your younger self was able to enjoy it more since the deep flaws with Heroes hadn't rotted their reflexes them so much. :P
There’s a couple signs that there might’ve been a tank enemy type or vehicle in the game, there’s the Eggman line mentioned in this video and then there’s things like in the Central City level one of the GUN soldiers says the line, “Send in the tanks!” and in the cutscene where Black Doom is giving his speech to Earth before a chunk of the Earth gets blown up the camera goes across different parts of the game’s world and one of them is a shot of a ruined Central City with a tank model you never see anywhere else in the game.
I feel like the only real "meh" track is Air Fleet. I'm not sure if anything comes as close to as bad as that. Unless you outright dislike industrial, rock, and metal, the soundtrack is fairly consistent, with some real highlights like Lava Shelter.
I think the Melee weapons could of been a useful weapon if they were an extension to Shadow's normal abilities like greatly increasing the damage of Homing Attack and increase the range of the spin dash. That way it'll make sense of the "ammo" for balancing i suppose
People say this game sucks but what other game to you know that lets you run around as a bipedal hedgehog with a godamn combat knife and shank human soldiers. Yea that’s what I thought.
1:42 I am pretty sure people like the thing of multiple stories, I also like it myself. The canon ending also don't tell what story path is it based leads to it, so its kinda that you need to know all of them if you even want to take a guess of what the canon is.
Up to interpretation. The whole idea was to piece the story together with all the information, in addition to how choosing your own path allows for mission variety as well as kids being able to live out shortened fantasies. No, really.
22:27 Imagine Shadow just running at full speed and cutting through people using a sturdy knife. Actually, at his speed using a sword or a knife would probably be more effect than firing a gun considering the bullets might move slower than he is.
My dude! I never thought someone would do this for one of my favorite games ever! I've recently been thinking about going and doing a total replay of the game with a brand new save and everything, and now it seems like the universe is really supportive of it! Oh dear five minutes in and yeah I can see why you don't like the game. You're shit at controlling Shadow. Either that or I spent so much time with the game I don't recall any of the trial-and-error of adapting to janky controls? IDK, it's been like 5 years since I sat down with it. But not being able to control the character would nerf enjoyment of the good stages and make the bad ones just HELL. Anyways, after finishing this, thank you so much for making this! Because more then anything else, I loved how much you enjoyed ripping and blessing the weapons and all their eccentricities, or lack thereof.
YO! You should try the mod with Super Shadow, you can just fly up and around the stage when Homing Attacking and beat those Artificial Chaos's, haven't tried it myself but it does look way more enjoyable.
Imagine you're just doing your job trying to protect the town, and then some random black and red human sized hedgehog with shoes and gloves shoots you with a gun.
Tbf about Gatling gun, you only get it late in the dark stories where assault rifle, smg, & pistol are more commonly found in earlier & mid game levels
it seems you haven't played a yakuza game before since in those games you have a ammo count for the environment weapons and melee weapons to fight others with.
They put quite a bit of squash and stretch in this game, which is strange. I understand that for cartoon characters to move fluidly, they need that, but Shadow stretches and squishes like a squeeze toy. It's really out of place.
You've ranked all the guns, now you must rank all the vehicles This is the only reason you would wanna play through the entirety of Shadow the Hedgehog lol
I think the "Ammo" meter for the melee weapons are supposed to be the weapon's durability
I don't understand why games have a "durability" meter like why? Especially when you have guns that have an ammo meter
@@shadic3470 I'd assume hitting a creature 3 times our size capable of destroying a city puts a bit of pressure on melee weapons.
Yeah, that's what I always assumed it was. It's also why you can't just add more "ammo" by picking up others of the same weapons like you can with the guns
The weird thing is that melee weapons also lose durability when you swing the air.
They only lose ammo if you swing it and it hits something
Fun fact: There's a strafe button in this game that makes the launchers insanely more fluid to use, since you can position yourself normally and then press R to align yourself more precisely with your target. Considering that otherwise the cannons are pretty solid in terms of damage/ammo ratio and single-shot effectiveness, that feature instantly elevates them to top 10.
Plus, R can also act as a break button, making ground control more, well, controllable.
I... I completed this game's expert mode... And I just now learned... That there's a STRAFE BUTTON?!
This is like the "blocking the Egg Emperor" thing all over again!
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Another fun fact: This is a super helpful function that, if you know it exists, somebody probably told you. Because the game for some reason never tells you about it despite peppering tutorials in each stage.
@@jcdenton2187 Fun Fact: Despite his immense campiness, Black Doom is the most helpful character in the whole game, telling you very valuable information such as "There are maps on the walls (The Doom)" and "It may not look it, but I assure you, the Aircraft is taking damage (Air Fleet)"
@@KingKayro87 For sure.
Splash Dash: The heal gun has no practical functionality in the game.
Speedrunners: *Laughs in free hero meter*
By the way, if you hold down the right bumper or whatever, Shadow will start walking and strafing around his enemies, making it really easy to aim rocket launcher weapons like the Heal Gun and the Grenade Launcher
It's useful on Expert Mode The Doom
Proper use of the Heal Cannon lets you skip a full minute worth of waiting on Cosmic Fall. Most of the time the gun is useless, but getting hero meter when you shouldn’t is bonkers.
Trivia : Garfield 2 for PS2 was made by the same guys who made the latest Flight Simulator (Asobo Studios)
Oh. And That Somehow Pretty Good Wall-e PC Game.
@@litten3578 And the GC/PS2 version of Ratatouille ! Which is better than the 360/PS3 version IMHO
Fait pas genre tes anglais punky mdr
@@jujusonic5100 wtf r u talkin' about ?
They also made young conker which is pretty sus if you ask me
The whole idea of gunplay in this title definitely intrigued me .
Gun.
It was honestly pretty fun
ironically weapons are one of the best parts of the game
No joke, having an EggRobo laser gun in this game would’ve been so awesome.
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Also, the Special Weapons are unlocked solely by completing the endings;
▪GUN Fortress - Samurai Sword
▪Black Comet - Satellite Laser
▪Lava Shelter - Egg Vacuum
▪Cosmic Fall - Omochao Gun
▪Final Haunt - Heal Cannon
▪Last Story - Shadow Rifle
And with the exception of the Shadow Rifle, each special weapon is upgraded to level two when you complete both paths on the sixth stages.
Intersting thing about the Ring-Shot: The rings fired from the weapon match Shadow's speed. This means that if Shadow is just walking, the rings won't travel very fast at all. However, if Shadow is at his top speed, the rings will actually match that speed
@Noah zzstu Smith You got me there. I have no idea. I just thought it was an interesting detail worth pointing out
mmmmmm smells like programming oversight
@@gManGabe how
@@mann-nova9392 programmer added shadow's speed to the projectile instead of a constant.
@@gManGabe You can actually get damaged by that weapon if you run into the shot, so I feel like it's intentional
When I was a kid I thought the different paths and all the variations in between were so fucking cool. I still kinda do really.
It's a neat concept, executed badly. The very nature of the design makes the stories almost always convoluted and all over the place, and Levels won't flow well into the next.
If it had more restraint it could work better I think.
@@jcdenton2187 little me was so dumb that I got confused by the branching paths and didn't know why the level changed each time I played it. Looking back on it, it is a cool idea but the execution would probably work in a much better game
Yes same!
@@jcdenton2187 The frustrating part is that there were obviously a few people who cared, because all 600+ mathematically possible unique story paths all have their own unique names that, if my memory serves correctly, you can go back and rewatch all of the cutscenes you would experience in that unique order (or at least see the path you took in the map).
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Part of this is definitely availability. Like yes, the Gatling gun is one of the best in the game, but it’s only available in the late game levels whereas the sub machine gun is available much earlier
And if you get all 5 keys in Lethal Highway, but it's better to just get the item container at the beginning of the stage when it turns into an invincibility power-up to complete the Hero mission.
Availability also matters because you can pick up multiple instances of the same weapon to get more ammo for it, which can make common weapons like the flash shot really, really good in a lot of early game missions
Apparently, it mattered for the Tank Cannon, but didn't matter for the Gatling. Lol.
The fact that there is an official render of mario and amy figure skating together kills me
Sochi 2014 ladies an gentleman
Lol
Did you ever saw that image of donkey kong and shadow on snowboards? That image goes hard
@@banethebird good way. Its like mario stole sonics girl
@@bsabradybunch550 sonic nowdays would feel very put off by that, but if it was early 2000s sonic or late 90s sonic, he would be very okay with it, even thanking mario
Reading the title made me laugh out loud, then I looked at the runtime... oh shit he's really doing this
would you expect any less than the guy who's FRIEND ranked every Simpson episode
@@GooberPipebomb Huh? Do you mean LS Mark? This is Splash Dash, I know they're friends but they're totally two separate people, man! EDIT: damn it he edited it so it said friend
What's so funny? Tell me the joke.
@@omaralejandro5976 UA-cam comments in a nutshell
And what’s wrong with that, huh? HUH?
I have wanted someone to have this conversation UNIRONICALLY for years
thank you SplashDash, fulfilling dreams one step at a time
What conversation? He repeated the same talking points people shit on this game for ad nauseum, not knowing simple/knowable details about yhe game or its weapons, and uses in speedruns, expert mode, or even casual play. The game is not that good. I'll give him that. But it seems like he didn't know what he was talking about and he used the ranking topic as a chance to shit on a game that people already hate. So again. What "conversation"?
Splat dash "maybe if this was more like ratchet and clank"
Also splat dash "vacuum sucks, why's it in the game"
Well that was a short lived sentiment
The Torch is the outlier among the "sticks" as it is necessary for the Cryptic Castle stage where you have to light the giant lanterns.
fun fact: the heavy machine gun could shit out immense damage to kill egg breaker in less than 10 seconds if you just dislocate your thumb and mash it like a madman
Or just, y'know, hold the button down
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one of the fight with eggman where you're paired with omega can be beaten in like 10 seconds by turning around, jumping on a turret and shooting eggman, easiest a-rank
@@amyflakes Agree!!!
You must have very frail thumbs if they'd break from doing something like that for that specific amount of time.
The Heal Gun is useful for one mission. One of the hero missions require you to heal a bunch of scientists, and normally you need to find these huge ass healing pods, and carry them to the scientists, but fuck that. The Heal Gun makes that mission much quicker and easier. I played this game a lot as a kid, and I never used those stupid healing pods.
My favorite gun is the Egg Vacuum. I agree that the normal vacuum is shit, but the Egg Vacuum just sucks in everything in it's path, it's hilarious
It's useful on several others where it's otherwise impossible to fill your Hero gauge.
Does no one remember this thing giving you 3 extra lives upon running out of uses? It's the advanced version, yes, but when you're wreckless and wanting to blitz through early stages, or more vexing - expert mode - this thing comes in more handy just to build up that life counter and fill the guages like no other.
Especially in the first 4 stages.
Its fun to just hold B and delete every single enemy in your path.
I honestly think this game could have worked if more effort was put in. Imagine a TPS with the speed of a Sonic game. There's three things they should have done that could have improved the game.
1. Make the controls more like a traditional shooter.
2. Change the weapon system to be more balanced. For instance, make the lock-on weapons do more damage than the automatic guns.
3. Change the level design to be more arena focused. What I mean by this is to make it that combat takes place in large open arenas, which could improve the combat by giving you enough space for speed. And when I say arenas I don't mean giant boxes with nothing but enemies in it, they could put in structures and obstacles to make the game more interesting. They could also put in more traditional sonic platforming in between the arenas to break up the combat.
honestly kinda sounds like Doom with Sonic characters and that sounds amazing
I think the only stage that has the closest to an arena type of level design is Westopolis, the rest are too straight forward or too closed for combat
I guess the idealised version of Shadow The Hedgehog would be that one Crack in Time level with the brain guys and all the ramps, before the game forgot to design anything else around the hoverboots.
Traditional shooting controls are super slow. Sonic gameplay needs to be varied and fast paced. Dumbnuts
You dare calling the Shadow Rifle a "slightly stronger gun"? Have you used this weapon on the President's escape jet or the spaceship of the Black Arms? This is without a doubt the most useful weapon in the game. Not to mention how it shreds through giant enemies.
Also, Shadow The Hedgehog is the best Sonic game ever produced.
I hope your joking
@@jimbomclimbo7467 I hope they aren't. Look, far be it from me to say that Shadow the Hedgehog was a great game, but to me it's refreshing when someone expresses joy for an unpopular game instead of (like almost everyone else) just parroting that it's trash as if that's the only valid opinion to have about it.
I don't understand why everyone hates this game so much. Yes its edgy, but that doesn't mean the game is automatically garbage. I agree that it's one of the best Sonic games. It's fully 3D, it improved a lot of things from Heroes, it has good level design, great level themes, music that slaps, beautiful cutscenes and graphics, interesting weapons, squash and stretch, a world that actually feels alive with characters that feel like themselves, and a lot of effort and heart that you don't find in a lot of games these days.
The heal gun also has its uses, such as that one mission where you have to otherwise throw healing capsules at fallen researchers.
Oh thank god, someone else who loves this game
Personally I also think it is the best Sonic game hands down, which is quite easy since it's the only game in the franchise I like
Why was I already listening to the Shadow the Hedgehog OST when this popped up in my subscription box....
I remember getting this game when I was 10 for Christmas and thinking I was a badass
I'm guessing the melee "ammo" is supposed to be like durability perhaps?
Yeah, their "ammo" only goes down when they strike something.
It's the same reason why Dead Island's melee weapons have health, you can throw them and health won't drop so yeah.
Yes... as is the case with most disposable weapons in every game with that function. Obviously they have to have a durability counter otherwise theyd be OP and unbalanced or theyd balance it by making its damage absolute dogshit. This is the case in every Yakuzs game except for Majima's bat and no one says anything about that
Honestly, I think a Shadow the Hedgehog Movie based on this game would be pretty cool.
Lucky for you, the Sonic 3 movie is not only taking inspiration from the Adventure Games, but Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog
Hopefully they bring back Character Spinoff games, maybe we could get a Silver and Blaze game or a Knuckles game
Unfortunately Sega and Sonic Team are a bunch of cowards who run away from almost any idea for a game if it failed once, which is why we hadn't had a game in the adventure formula since 06 (forget that that game was bad because of completely different reasons than what gameplay formula they used).
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Yeah, imagine if Nintendo was stupid like that.
„Quickly, cancel Donkey Kong Country, Wario Land and Yoshi’s Island and don’t even think about ever creating Luigi’s Mansion! Mario is Missing was a failure so we can never have any other character star in their own game ever again!“
HAHA. No.
Well...it’s more of critics faults as to why they never put other characters in main title Sonic games these days..... I highly doubt they would stop using these characters had not so many critics flamed SEGA for changing Shadow and the others personalities. Sure, critics are needed to give a score on the game, but it can also affect the company that created that specific game as well. The point is, is that critics (sort of) pressured SEGA to never use any of their characters in their main title Sonic games ever again.
Hey... what about a big fishing game?
I like how almost all of the probloms he has with this game are probloms i had with heroes
What "problems" are you talking about? Everybody knows Heroes never had any problems whatsoever, which is why it's the best game in the series, an universal opinion held throughout the whole Sonic fandom. Maybe you're thinking about that stinking awful game SA2 ;)
Everyone knows Reggie developed Sonic Adventure 2 to ruin the Sonic franchise in order to greenlight Zelda II: The Adventure of Link.
He grew up with a PS2 - surely you didn't expect him to have brain cells, did you?
Same.
Its really amazing how he comes to his conclusions (especially as I thing Shadow actually fixed many of Heroes problems like that combat isn't slow and afoul anymore)
It makes me happy to see shadow content but my skin started burning everytime he bad mouthed this clear master piece of a shadow game
The way you keep saying "options" throughout this video sounded like you were implying that you get a large assortment of guns in each stage, which is not true.
The pistol, while indeed one of the worst weapons in the game, is only one of two that appears in the GUN Fortress Diablon boss fight, but is more effective against it if you get your dark gauge full, so that's kind of a bad example.
The Satellite Laser can break through enemy Shields, destroy Artificial Chaos instantly, and the Black Alien Giants holding the hammers that can deflect normal gunshots. It can also activate switches behind locked doors.
Lock-on weapons like the Rocket Launcher allow you to not waste ammo and are more reliable than regular guns if you're good with aiming on your own. There are some instances like in Gun Fortress where you're going downwards on the monorail and regular shots will not hit the soldiers.
The Samurai Blade Beam I believe one-shots enemies, but it doesn't lock on, so I don't use it, but it has FOUR uses, not 3.
Lastly about the weapons, the Vacuum Egg will give you 3 extra lives if you expend 30 ammo uses of it. It only gets expended if you suck something in, so you can be a bit more reckless with it, and the Alien version will let you beat 2 enemies with a single shot, something no other gun in the game can do. It's also necessary for progression in Final Haunt, unless you know where to specifically use Chaos Control.
I don't really understand your criticisms with the mission structure or level design, aside from Lost Impact, which isn't even the worst stage in the game imo, so I'd have to see what you think is a good level.
I Agree with you!!!
I just discovered another use for the Satellite Laser in speedruns: it can lock on to switches behind doors.
You can use it to open the door at the beginning of The Doom that will let you skip the majority of the stage which is right next to a special weapon crate. It also spawns the light dash ring trails in Cosmic Fall that let you skip ahead to the Computer Room without needing all 5 keys.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Not to necropost but dude what thats insane. I had no clue it could do that
Unironically my favorite Sonic game.
Same here!
@@Whocares158 Same!!!
I played Shadow a while, even unlocked and passed through the expert mode (which kinda cool since levels contained a huge differences comparing to original stages)
One of my favorite Sonic games and
embodiment of "so bad it's good" term
Shadow the Hedgehog isn't "so bad it's good". It's already a good game, and the edginess and silliness adds to it.
@@biscitsgravy For english yes, but for japanese, no. Just saying about the silly and edge your talking about.
You aren't alone. As much as the idea of a Sonic character packing heat is so stupid, the gunplay is very fun and interesting. It's no Ratchet and Clank or Halo, but I'd love to see it return and polished.
Also the game was heavily inspired by games like GTA and Halo. That's why Shadow carries energy swords and hijacks cars.
Edit: Also just found out that Jak 2 also inspired this game, as Iizuka mentioned after finishing developing Heroes, Jak 2 was a game he wanted to play. Seeing how that game is much darker than it's predecessor, has guns and vehicles, we can blame that game for Shadow existing. But, Jak 2 is a good game, and Shadow is a bad game.
The music and atmosphere reminds me a lot of MechAssault too.
The game could've been actually cool if handled well is what i'm hearing. god daamnit sega...
@@ericamaya2467 it is cool
You know fans was asking for sonic to have gun and sega listen to them
I would be so hapoy if they ported this game to switch is prolly 100% it
"Fuck it, this is my list, you can make your own" I make a lot of lists of best and worst things, and in my top 10 Sonic games, this game is at number 2. That sentence is my explanation as to why.
I don't blame you. Even if it's edgy and kinda stupid, it's still a genuinely fantastic game.
I kinda like the mix of kid friendly puppys with the""""edge""""" stuff...good editing
I can never take Mark's opinions on Sonic seriously after the debate with Cybershell.
Its.ok because this isent Mark, it's splashdash.
Its not Mark its his "Friend"
Well I thing that while he was next level dumb on the debate is there more to him.
Like the fact that he is so lovingly ignoring all of the issues Heroes had that Shadow fixed and bitched about controls when he praises the game that has some of the worst controls in the series as the best.
What debate was this?
@@Pheeze it was a debate to determine which game was better, SA2 or Heroes.
The whole thing was kinda hard to listen to since Mark refused to acknowledge any flaws with Heroes and would repeatedly interrupt Cybershell, but if you want to watch the whole thing you can find it by just looking up "Ls Mark Cybershell debate"
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't mind how Shadow controls. His great speed with the ability to stop instantly makes it really good when you know what you are doing
I wouldn't say this game was "universally panned", not even close
The melee weapons probably just had durability. They probably should have been more durable given the shorter range
Awesome ranking! I appreciate content that no one would even bother thinking of or even doing
You can strafe by holding down R (GC)/ R2 (PS2)/ RT (XB) to line up your shots properly with any of the more larger unwieldy weapons.
Im pretty sure the idea they were going for with the melee weapon ammo was durability. You can only hit things hard with a blunt object but so many times before it breaks.
Like breath of the wild.
Im glad you mentioned liking egg pawns, they get a bad rap they’re fun. if you do a video like this again you should rank em A B C D etc
the thing with the egg pawns, is that the ps2 graphic didn't do them any favor.
coming off the E-100 serie, they tried to give the same "mas producted to be efficient"feeling, while making them more bouncy and cartoony like the badnick.
the higher poligon version from more recent games looks way better to me
As a certified Shadow the Hedgehog 100% aficionado.
I approve
I don't, as a wannabe expert mode speedrunner
Ah Yes. Garfield 2 And Shadow The Hedgehog. THE PERFECT COMBINATION OF GAMES!
*God I love this game so much. Loved it back then and love it now.*
I am the person who would have asked for this video had I thought of it first. Thank you.
the vacuum is so good for its brutality though. you just sucked in a gun soldier, completely destroying his bones and spine, killing him instantly, then shot him at a wall and turned him into nothingness. that gun was amazing and i always used it for that wacky shit
Holding a gattling gun is what makes you think he has impressive strength? He literally lifts a bus with a single hand in the first stage.
I don't think it needs to be said at this point, but the guns are balanced by means of rarity and availability. Earlier levels tend to have lower-tier weapons to fight the lower-tier enemies, later levels provide you with higher-tier weapons for higher-tier enemies. And then from there, the levels tend to include more of the weaker levels for that particular stage, which further balances out the weapons. You can pick up 8 Mediocre guns and run around with 160 ammo, or 1-2 Good guns, and only have 20-40. There are some exceptions, like GUN Fortress, which is more of a power-trip, immediately giving you lots and lots of Gattling guns.
The Heal Cannon is actually pretty cool, it has a pretty good functionality too, it allows you to cheese A ranks by rekilling the same enemies infinitely while you're in one of the Chaos modes, since they get unlimited ammo, and even doing the action will give you one of the meters filled up.
Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 is unironically my favourite Sonic game due to nostalgia. No joke.
Oh hello mod maker, didn't expect to see you here
@@mommarobotnik5265
I didn't expect you either.
@@modmaker7617 Hah, SA gathering
No joke this is in my top 5 sonic games and it's definitely not nostalgia talking I still play this
Same but I still play this game and I’m loving it as a 27 years old adult.
"if I ever see the the worm shooter and the wide worm shooter next to each other, why would I never just go for the wide?"
Well you see, the reason a lot of weapons feel the same but have slightly better versions of themselves like how worm shooter is because weaker versions of guns are in the early game and stronger versions are (generally speaking) in the later parts of the game. Like yes, the SMG isn't very good compared to the minigun or the assault rifle, but it's significantly more common and the other 2 flat out do not exist in most stages. As far as the worm shooters go, this is a detail you may have missed but the worms in the game do change color as you progress to show they drop a different worm shooter, the final stage worms having the final versions of the worm shooter that are actually half decent.
Fun fact: The upgraded samurai sword only drains ammo if the weapon connects... the waves it shoots do no consume ammo
Ok hear me out: a remake of Shadow the Hedgehog that’s set in an open world metropolis where you complete missions to progress. Kind of like Jak II or Batman: Arkham City
Oh I get it - you're so used to how badly Heroes plays that the upgraded controls throw you off.
Makes sense, and explains why your younger self was able to enjoy it more since the deep flaws with Heroes hadn't rotted their reflexes them so much.
:P
There’s a couple signs that there might’ve been a tank enemy type or vehicle in the game, there’s the Eggman line mentioned in this video and then there’s things like in the Central City level one of the GUN soldiers says the line, “Send in the tanks!” and in the cutscene where Black Doom is giving his speech to Earth before a chunk of the Earth gets blown up the camera goes across different parts of the game’s world and one of them is a shot of a ruined Central City with a tank model you never see anywhere else in the game.
Alternate title: "Man talks about guns held by an anthropomorphic Hedgehog"
now I wanna see you rank all the ost in Shadow the Hedgehog
That would be interesting to see, because the music in this game slaps.
@@biscitsgravy Indeed!!!
Mad Matrix and Final Haunt are at the top for me.
I feel like the only real "meh" track is Air Fleet. I'm not sure if anything comes as close to as bad as that. Unless you outright dislike industrial, rock, and metal, the soundtrack is fairly consistent, with some real highlights like Lava Shelter.
You forgot that the upgraded Egg Vacuum gives Extra Lives once it burst.
I will not tolerate this Shadow the Hedgehog slander
THANK YOU FOR THAT AWESOME VIDEO!!! I didn't know it existed, but I always wanted it!!! You got a new sub;3
When he brought up the idea of a Sonic themed Dynasty Warriors game, that's all I have on my mind now. I want to see someone come up with a roster.
That sounds cool.
I think the Melee weapons could of been a useful weapon if they were an extension to Shadow's normal abilities like greatly increasing the damage of Homing Attack and increase the range of the spin dash.
That way it'll make sense of the "ammo" for balancing i suppose
I unironically think that shadow looks cool holding a gun
Egg Vacuum grants you three Extra Lives when it bursts.
Keep doing the animal gifs, they make me happy.
This video was worth it, I'm telling you.
I love this game and its variety of weapons.
People say this game sucks but what other game to you know that lets you run around as a bipedal hedgehog with a godamn combat knife and shank human soldiers.
Yea that’s what I thought.
Shadow the Hedgehog is the ultimate Libertarian Rightist
Ngl I like to imagine that shadow just got annoyed with omochao and ripped his head off and made a gun out of it
1:42 I am pretty sure people like the thing of multiple stories, I also like it myself.
The canon ending also don't tell what story path is it based leads to it, so its kinda that you need to know all of them if you even want to take a guess of what the canon is.
Up to interpretation. The whole idea was to piece the story together with all the information, in addition to how choosing your own path allows for mission variety as well as kids being able to live out shortened fantasies. No, really.
22:27 Imagine Shadow just running at full speed and cutting through people using a sturdy knife. Actually, at his speed using a sword or a knife would probably be more effect than firing a gun considering the bullets might move slower than he is.
Ah yes, favorite gun , *Omachao* .
"I'm not a weapon to throw at enemies you know!"
When the Egg Vaccuum runs out of ammo, you get 3 Extra Lives
My dude! I never thought someone would do this for one of my favorite games ever! I've recently been thinking about going and doing a total replay of the game with a brand new save and everything, and now it seems like the universe is really supportive of it!
Oh dear five minutes in and yeah I can see why you don't like the game. You're shit at controlling Shadow. Either that or I spent so much time with the game I don't recall any of the trial-and-error of adapting to janky controls? IDK, it's been like 5 years since I sat down with it. But not being able to control the character would nerf enjoyment of the good stages and make the bad ones just HELL.
Anyways, after finishing this, thank you so much for making this! Because more then anything else, I loved how much you enjoyed ripping and blessing the weapons and all their eccentricities, or lack thereof.
Ironic how he's terrible at controlling Butterfeet the Hedgelord when his favorite game is Sonic Heroes
This man is a Heal Gun slanderer, it lets you get Chaos Control so much faster!
Remember that game's opening video, where he pumps an SMG like a shotgun?
He's rubbing it for good luck. 😂
No
I don't know why, but I lost it at 7:16
The way you kept talking, the faint hit sound, the enemy standing still and the pauses just killed me
i love the transitions
The availability is what balances the weapons. All the best guns are rare or aren't available until later points in the game
It's not a joke! Hooray!
Wow splash dash must've been so inspired by his *FRIEND* who watched every simpsons episode and played every fnaf game.
I truly love this game
Ngl the worm shooter was actually my fav gun as a kid, i would always get excited to get it haha
Shadow having guns makes sense hes literally a military weapon/unit what compitent military doesnt give its dudes guns.
He doesn't "get" guns in this game, he takes them. Also he doesn't become an official G.U.N. agent until 06
@@AkameGaKillfan777 )oh no i am reffering to the fact he is a military weapon of sorts.
Yes Mark this is in fact your best video
YO! You should try the mod with Super Shadow, you can just fly up and around the stage when Homing Attacking and beat those Artificial Chaos's, haven't tried it myself but it does look way more enjoyable.
I have the infinite Chaos Control glitch, so I'm good.
shadow riffle is my favorite
tank canon is insane i love it as well
This is a April Fools Joke should be done. Not "I'm quitting UA-cam lol actually not" but this actually has effort.
Imagine you're just doing your job trying to protect the town, and then some random black and red human sized hedgehog with shoes and gloves shoots you with a gun.
11:31 ah yes hello Mara from shin megami tensei, odd to see you here
Shadow the Hedgehog is just a Megaten game.
Tbf about Gatling gun, you only get it late in the dark stories where assault rifle, smg, & pistol are more commonly found in earlier & mid game levels
it seems you haven't played a yakuza game before since in those games you have a ammo count for the environment weapons and melee weapons to fight others with.
Fun fact about the Samurai Sword: The shock wave doesn't decrease your ammo.
why is shadow shown to occaisionally not have a head?
I love the Gatling Gun, Semi Auto Rifle, Ring Shot, 8 shot RPG, Worm Shooter, RPG and Vaccum Pod.
They put quite a bit of squash and stretch in this game, which is strange. I understand that for cartoon characters to move fluidly, they need that, but Shadow stretches and squishes like a squeeze toy. It's really out of place.
I mentioned on another video that it's like if Primal or Invincible were made by Looney Tunes animators
Shadow with a knife gives me hope for humanity
You've ranked all the guns, now you must rank all the vehicles
This is the only reason you would wanna play through the entirety of Shadow the Hedgehog lol
Or because you think it's fun. That's also a reason.
No
My favorite is Samurai Blade because it fires unlimited shockwaves in mid air :)
Funfact:People asked for guns, Sega gave it to em
White worm shooter makes me uncomfy, but Splitter makes me laugh.
Pp
Why doesn't shadow have a head in so many clips ?
It sucks that we'll never see the weaponized version of Shadow anymore.