I have the UPR catch can as well. I like it a lot and it does collect oil...but did you notice any residue of oil on the vacuum line (line back to the intake) at the catch can fitting???
@@HorsePowerObsessed Yeah, I noticed trace amount of oil on the outlet side of the fitting/nozzle of the can and inside the fitting going back into the intake. Steve messaged me and believes it might be from the mfg process as they lube the seals. He asked me to wipe it off and check on it later.
Whats up brother , ordered my can received it had a little issue that was quickly handled. Great customer service , thank you for the recommendation and the great videos
With all these issues with the c 8. I can finally smile that my order has not been built yet and is still stuck at status 3000 since March and was ordered sept 2019. Maybe a blessing in disguise
Great videos Justin, enjoy all your stuff. Wow, just got a call from my Chevy dealer and they said my new C8 just came in , red mist with natural dipped leather. It is absolute awesome looking, what a car, just picked it up. I'm following your catch can information and I guess I need to order one. Have you heard of the Mishimoto brand catch can, I know you have the UPR. I sat in the garage all night looking at it the first night, just awesome looking. I just ordered the car after seeing a bunch of you guys getting one and thought boy this car is hot. Anyway any feed back is appreciated by anyone of you guys out there.
Thanks, man! Congrats on the car, they really are fun to drive and to look at! I have seen the other catch cans and I prefer the UPR product, but at the end of the day, if it's designed right, it will do the same job.
I learn so much from your videos. This catch can is a must have. I won't get my 2021 until around March 2021, my guess. A catch can will be waiting for it's arrival. RealWheelDrive painted his own engine cover. It came out pretty good. I informed him of you and that you used a company that will color any color for the engine cover plus more. He stated he would look you up.
Good day Justin; 0:04 into the vlog and I’m admiring the amazing appearance of your C8, a true automotive beauty; the Lloyd Mats add a nice touch to the interior, I have them as well on my Grand Sport; take care !
I am confused. Air goes straight into the inake. You only need a catch can if the air is compressed with some oil leaking device (e.g. a cheap AF turbo car) then travels through a charge pipe capable of catching the oil that has been introduced, then enters the intake. Are you putting it on the PCV line? If so, you have too much blow by, the rings are defective. And you're only filtering oil from one bank of 4 cyls unless you have two catch cans. So you have double that oil in blow by which is not healthy for a new, modern tolerance car, IMO. Maybe its in tolerance for an old pushrod design, but wow. Thats like my high compression 1966 Ford hotrod. Crazy.
The ventilation from the crankcase has oil vapor in it. That vapor turns back to oil once it gets through the intake. This is where the catch can comes into play. Every car I've owned has had a catch can on it that actually caught oil whether it was forced induction or NA.
@@HorsePowerObsessed Yeah thats the pcv line. In a V8, or any V, the pcv vents the crankcase at the valve cover. The purpose is to burn excess emissions (fuel/air mix) floating around in the crankcase by scavenging and ingesting that air again. There is definely oil in the valve cover, as the valves are lubricated, but if the intake suction vacuums oil getting by the pcv valve, which also serves the purpose of an oil/air seperator, it will consume oil. Oil consumption produces white smoke on throttle and can dirty up the motor where carbon coking shouldn't be, but the problem really isn't that. The problem is that piston blow-by is what is excessively pressurizing and flooding one or both valve covers with oil. If you can catch and seperate that much oil in a few hundred miles, you have significant oil consumption, because that oil was on its way into the combustion chamber. Also, if you are only oil-seperating one pcv line, you are only seeing one bank's worth of oil, so double that is being burned. Usually, that means high compression meeting an unseated ring, in the case of an anomaly, or, old/worn rings as a group with too much play between each ring and the cylinder wall. It boils down to how tight is an engine when new and as it ages? It could be normal for LSs to consume oil even new, but thats not the 2020 norm. Unless you are talking Mustang GT350--which is a very troubled motor.
After talking this over with more experienced car dudes than me, burning 1 ounce of oil every 500 miles (or roughly double whats in the catch considering the other cylinder bank) is not a problem. Thats an eighth of a quart per 1000 miles, or around half to one quart burned by oil change. While a little alarming to me for a new motor, since its an older 2V pushrod design that is normal. And while burning 1 qt per 1000 miles is generally the limit for a rebuild or engine replacement, since your engine is new it shouldn't deteriorate much further from that baseline until it starts to age 50-100K miles. The only concern would be if you want to boost it, then blow by would increase unless you build the whole motor. It's standard to upgrade pistons and rods when boosting an LS, or you have a hole in the block in short order.
You have this question but I saw on another site that had a tech segment that “any” addition can invalidate your warranty. And if u remember correctly they were actually speaking about a catch can, when addressing the warranty question. Seems that this could be an excuse for GM to do that. Given the valve issues, wouldn’t it be good for UPI to address this directly? Maybe indemnification to the owner?
Nice catch on the catch can, Justin. I just noticed that you have the Completion Seats. I am still deciding between them and the GT2 seats. How comfortable do you find them for longer trips?. Many thanks. .
I actually did already. You can check out the 2 videos where I talked about it here: ua-cam.com/video/jLldIIB2UMk/v-deo.html and here: ua-cam.com/video/2jYPR_NjNaM/v-deo.html
I had the opportunity to test out a UPR CC on my 2018 Gen2 Raptor. Quality was low, function was terrible. Not every vehicle needs a CC and not everything you get in it is bad. I know quite a few DI vehicles can benefit from one, if properly designed.
Super cool and functional! They don’t make a specific one for the C5 Z06. Might need to look into a universal one for install. Great content! Floor mats looked great!
You're quite welcome! If the part doesn't directly affect your warranty question it wouldn't be a problem. Worst case, you remove it before taking it in but in general a catch can is viewed like an aftermarket air filter. No big deal.
HorsePower Obsessed not in all cases. Some will mess up your CCV valve or, if clogged, can throw much more back into the engine. This could cause a lot of damage. After owning 9 corvettes, I’ve never needed one.
Quick solution for you to blackout the bow-tie on your floor mats. Use a Sharpie.😊 I agree, all cars could use a Catch-Can. With the exception of a Tesla.🤣 Save the Wave👋🏿
Since you smelled some gas in the oil, I'd be curious how much blow of fuel you are getting into the oil due to GDI. I've been sending samples to Blackstone and have been getting excessive dilution. Fuel dilution should be under 2% before it has an effect on viscosity. My i8 had 2.3% fuel dilution after 5k miles. I changed to a 2.5k drain interval and it has been below 2%.
Is there oil in the catch can? Yes. Does it matter, or cause issues on this car? Not really. The new C8 has a catch can engineered into the system. That amount of oil over a thousand or whatever miles, is a drop or two a day, spread across 8 cylinders... It's just not that much. When you look at it all at once it's like OMG, 3 tablespoons of oil! But over that many miles, it really isn't significant.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I am very familiar with GM and the "issues" with GDI motors and all that. That said, the new C8 don't seem to have issues with this. They have a catch can type of system built in now. It doesn't seem to be causing issues, despite the makers of catch cans telling you that your motor will grenade from valve coking if you don't buy their product...
@SquireSCA it was discussed a while ago, that the “catch can” that is built into the C8 Corvette is not quite a catch can. Basically, just like any other vehicle out there the C8 Corvette benefits from having an aftermarket catch just like any other car does. I have yet to see the car that doesn’t actually need one. Maybe you believe it maybe you don’t either way I look at it as it can’t hurt and it’s pretty cheap insurance.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I agree that the catch can can't hurt, but I also haven't seen any evidence that the trace amounts of oil that slowly go into the intake, have any adverse effects on the LT2 motor. I understand why people think there would be, and why it has been an issue with some other cars... but I haven't seen a credible report or study showing that this car actually has valve issues as a result of it. Do you have a link to one?
Where does your oil line up on your stick when the engine is warm? I keep mine at halfway or little above. I have a catch can as well and yes we can all benefit from a catch can on these cars
Stupid question(?). Can you simply change the oil "early"? Although, dont want oil in system, so seems good. ...unless running cleaners, and higher octane might help...??????
So this issue doesn't have anything to do with oil change frequency. It's the design of the system that allows for a minimal amount of oil to be recycled through the intake valves. Normally this isn't an issue but with direct injected cars the gasoline is never sprayed onto the back of the intake valves like it is in port injected cars (which cleans the valve). With that said, you have 2 options to remedy this issue. A catch can, or taking apart the engine and bead blasting it every so often. Obviously one of those is easier than the other which is why I highly recommend this. It's pretty cheap insurance.
@7:25min Is there any oil in the catch can? Resounding Yes from me! and another point:you probably already know this ...At 4:05 about blacking out that logo. It's like your copywriters when doing your vlog. The after market Manufacturer has to do something to offset their design to promote their Floor mats. That said, a Chevrolet looking brand made a little different than the actual Corvette logo. but appears as if you have a Chevrolet product. Thank you "Catch Can Man"
What do you guys think, before watching the video, did the UPR catch can catch any oil during my 400 - 600 miles with it installed? 🤔
I have the UPR catch can as well. I like it a lot and it does collect oil...but did you notice any residue of oil on the vacuum line (line back to the intake) at the catch can fitting???
I did not, did you?
@@HorsePowerObsessed Yeah, I noticed trace amount of oil on the outlet side of the fitting/nozzle of the can and inside the fitting going back into the intake. Steve messaged me and believes it might be from the mfg process as they lube the seals. He asked me to wipe it off and check on it later.
Definitely keep me updated. I didn't see any on mine.
Yes, most of it.
I had an oil catch can installed my a 2004 BMW 760li after a carbon clean 8 years ago. It works!!
100% 👍👍
They work perfectly as designed
Yes
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Will this catch can work on the convertible C8? Looks like I will have to do a bunch of extra work to install it.
Thank you for doing the test for us. I will install mine now
You're quite welcome! Thanks for watching!
I’d install a AOS if possible. Or a huge catch can so your only emptying it annually. Vibrant make a good XL can.
I would imagine this will hold enough for at least 6 months possibly an entire year. Can always add a bigger tank to the bottom of this one if needed.
Whats up brother , ordered my can received it had a little issue that was quickly handled. Great customer service , thank you for the recommendation and the great videos
Thank you! UPR has been fantastic to deal with so I'm glad my experience seems to be the same for everyone!
With all these issues with the c 8. I can finally smile that my order has not been built yet and is still stuck at status 3000 since March and was ordered sept 2019. Maybe a blessing in disguise
Its bigger news than you think it is. Another great Corvette tip from this channel. Keep em coming.
Thanks! Will do!
Great videos Justin, enjoy all your stuff. Wow, just got a call from my Chevy dealer and they said my new C8 just came in , red mist with natural dipped leather. It is absolute awesome looking, what a car, just picked it up. I'm following your catch can information and I guess I need to order one. Have you heard of the Mishimoto brand catch can, I know you have the UPR. I sat in the garage all night looking at it the first night, just awesome looking. I just ordered the car after seeing a bunch of you guys getting one and thought boy this car is hot. Anyway any feed back is appreciated by anyone of you guys out there.
Thanks, man! Congrats on the car, they really are fun to drive and to look at! I have seen the other catch cans and I prefer the UPR product, but at the end of the day, if it's designed right, it will do the same job.
How about a tour of your garage setup?
That will be coming soon! I have a few videos talking about some of the changes so far but there's more coming soon!
Nice! I’m glad I purchased one based on your recommendation!!
Thank you! Definitely a quality product!
No C8, yet. But I have this catch can in my garage.
Wise man!
I learn so much from your videos. This catch can is a must have. I won't get my 2021 until around March 2021, my guess. A catch can will be waiting for it's arrival. RealWheelDrive painted his own engine cover. It came out pretty good. I informed him of you and that you used a company that will color any color for the engine cover plus more. He stated he would look you up.
Thank you. I appreciate that! I would highly recommend the catch can. It's cheap insurance and it is great quality.
Do a oil catch can video for the Colorado!!!
I am working on finding a good one to so a video on!
ELITE Engineering have a good one for the Colorado
Good day Justin; 0:04 into the vlog and I’m admiring the amazing appearance of your C8, a true automotive beauty; the Lloyd Mats add a nice touch to the interior, I have them as well on my Grand Sport; take care !
Thank you my friend! Definitely loving the simple yet effective mods!
Your UPR discount code doesn’t work do you have a new one?
I am confused. Air goes straight into the inake. You only need a catch can if the air is compressed with some oil leaking device (e.g. a cheap AF turbo car) then travels through a charge pipe capable of catching the oil that has been introduced, then enters the intake. Are you putting it on the PCV line? If so, you have too much blow by, the rings are defective. And you're only filtering oil from one bank of 4 cyls unless you have two catch cans. So you have double that oil in blow by which is not healthy for a new, modern tolerance car, IMO. Maybe its in tolerance for an old pushrod design, but wow. Thats like my high compression 1966 Ford hotrod. Crazy.
The ventilation from the crankcase has oil vapor in it. That vapor turns back to oil once it gets through the intake. This is where the catch can comes into play. Every car I've owned has had a catch can on it that actually caught oil whether it was forced induction or NA.
@@HorsePowerObsessed
Yeah thats the pcv line. In a V8, or any V, the pcv vents the crankcase at the valve cover. The purpose is to burn excess emissions (fuel/air mix) floating around in the crankcase by scavenging and ingesting that air again. There is definely oil in the valve cover, as the valves are lubricated, but if the intake suction vacuums oil getting by the pcv valve, which also serves the purpose of an oil/air seperator, it will consume oil. Oil consumption produces white smoke on throttle and can dirty up the motor where carbon coking shouldn't be, but the problem really isn't that. The problem is that piston blow-by is what is excessively pressurizing and flooding one or both valve covers with oil. If you can catch and seperate that much oil in a few hundred miles, you have significant oil consumption, because that oil was on its way into the combustion chamber. Also, if you are only oil-seperating one pcv line, you are only seeing one bank's worth of oil, so double that is being burned.
Usually, that means high compression meeting an unseated ring, in the case of an anomaly, or, old/worn rings as a group with too much play between each ring and the cylinder wall. It boils down to how tight is an engine when new and as it ages? It could be normal for LSs to consume oil even new, but thats not the 2020 norm. Unless you are talking Mustang GT350--which is a very troubled motor.
After talking this over with more experienced car dudes than me, burning 1 ounce of oil every 500 miles (or roughly double whats in the catch considering the other cylinder bank) is not a problem. Thats an eighth of a quart per 1000 miles, or around half to one quart burned by oil change. While a little alarming to me for a new motor, since its an older 2V pushrod design that is normal. And while burning 1 qt per 1000 miles is generally the limit for a rebuild or engine replacement, since your engine is new it shouldn't deteriorate much further from that baseline until it starts to age 50-100K miles. The only concern would be if you want to boost it, then blow by would increase unless you build the whole motor. It's standard to upgrade pistons and rods when boosting an LS, or you have a hole in the block in short order.
Would installing the oil catch can void the warranty? Love your UA-cam Channel ... keep up the good work.
No it wouldn't! I appreciate it, my friend!
Looks like you need race deck in your garage.
I have something better coming soon!
You have this question but I saw on another site that had a tech segment that “any” addition can invalidate your warranty. And if u remember correctly they were actually speaking about a catch can, when addressing the warranty question. Seems that this could be an excuse for GM to do that. Given the valve issues, wouldn’t it be good for UPI to address this directly? Maybe indemnification to the owner?
They did. Basically it's easy to install and remove so for good measure remove it before you go in.
I have a UPR catch can on my Wrangler Rubicon 3.6. Just wait to see what you recover in cold weather! Totally nasty stuff and also amazing!
Interesting! I'm just glad that stuff isn't going back through the engine!
Nice catch on the catch can, Justin. I just noticed that you have the Completion Seats. I am still deciding between them and the GT2 seats. How comfortable do you find them for longer trips?. Many thanks.
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I love the seats! Best ones I've sat in for the C8!
Have Comp seats very satisfied
Great info. Sometime can you spend a few minutes on your car washing system I see in the corner of your garage?
I actually did already. You can check out the 2 videos where I talked about it here: ua-cam.com/video/jLldIIB2UMk/v-deo.html and here: ua-cam.com/video/2jYPR_NjNaM/v-deo.html
YES
👍👍👍
And that is the “improved” pCV system, still quite a lot of oil.
Agreed. It's still something to keep an eye on.
I had the opportunity to test out a UPR CC on my 2018 Gen2 Raptor. Quality was low, function was terrible.
Not every vehicle needs a CC and not everything you get in it is bad.
I know quite a few DI vehicles can benefit from one, if properly designed.
That's very surprising. The catch can for the C8 Corvette is unbelievably good quality. Quite functional as well. Definitely catching oil and gas.
Super cool and functional! They don’t make a specific one for the C5 Z06. Might need to look into a universal one for install. Great content! Floor mats looked great!
Thank you! I'm quite happy with both options!
What does GM say about the warranty with a Catch Can installed? Thanks for the video!
You're quite welcome! If the part doesn't directly affect your warranty question it wouldn't be a problem. Worst case, you remove it before taking it in but in general a catch can is viewed like an aftermarket air filter. No big deal.
HorsePower Obsessed not in all cases. Some will mess up your CCV valve or, if clogged, can throw much more back into the engine. This could cause a lot of damage. After owning 9 corvettes, I’ve never needed one.
Quick solution for you to blackout the bow-tie on your floor mats. Use a Sharpie.😊 I agree, all cars could use a Catch-Can. With the exception of a Tesla.🤣
Save the Wave👋🏿
Interesting! I may just do that! 🤣
Since you smelled some gas in the oil, I'd be curious how much blow of fuel you are getting into the oil due to GDI. I've been sending samples to Blackstone and have been getting excessive dilution. Fuel dilution should be under 2% before it has an effect on viscosity. My i8 had 2.3% fuel dilution after 5k miles. I changed to a 2.5k drain interval and it has been below 2%.
Great info. I might just have to send a sample over to Blackstone myself!
Yep, knew it would work. Nay sayers can calm TF down 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 right?
Dude, you need to handle that garage floor with some good to part epoxy hard coat.....
Working on a solution as we speak!
Do you need the “Pro Series Check Valve” option? Thanks
You don't need it but it's not a bad idea to have it, either.
Is there oil in the catch can? Yes.
Does it matter, or cause issues on this car? Not really. The new C8 has a catch can engineered into the system. That amount of oil over a thousand or whatever miles, is a drop or two a day, spread across 8 cylinders... It's just not that much. When you look at it all at once it's like OMG, 3 tablespoons of oil!
But over that many miles, it really isn't significant.
That’s actually not the case. You don’t want oil getting baked on the back of your intake valves. The c8 does not have a way of stopping this.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I am very familiar with GM and the "issues" with GDI motors and all that.
That said, the new C8 don't seem to have issues with this. They have a catch can type of system built in now. It doesn't seem to be causing issues, despite the makers of catch cans telling you that your motor will grenade from valve coking if you don't buy their product...
@SquireSCA it was discussed a while ago, that the “catch can” that is built into the C8 Corvette is not quite a catch can. Basically, just like any other vehicle out there the C8 Corvette benefits from having an aftermarket catch just like any other car does. I have yet to see the car that doesn’t actually need one. Maybe you believe it maybe you don’t either way I look at it as it can’t hurt and it’s pretty cheap insurance.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I agree that the catch can can't hurt, but I also haven't seen any evidence that the trace amounts of oil that slowly go into the intake, have any adverse effects on the LT2 motor. I understand why people think there would be, and why it has been an issue with some other cars... but I haven't seen a credible report or study showing that this car actually has valve issues as a result of it. Do you have a link to one?
Where does your oil line up on your stick when the engine is warm? I keep mine at halfway or little above. I have a catch can as well and yes we can all benefit from a catch can on these cars
Agreed. I had a few people question how useful this would be on the LT2 so I thought an update video was necessary.
If I have 4700 miles and haven’t done my oil changed on my C8 is it to late to install a catch oil can
No sir. It's never too late 👍👍
@@HorsePowerObsessed okay last do I need to order any of the add on items that’s in the drop box section when ordering the unit ?
I got the inline check valve to make sure that nothing gets sent back out.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I know it’s Sunday my friend thank you. I drove my C8 today and it seems like my house power is not the same. Thank you again
You're very welcome! What seems different about the power?
less talk lets go
Stupid question(?). Can you simply change the oil "early"? Although, dont want oil in system, so seems good. ...unless running cleaners, and higher octane might help...??????
So this issue doesn't have anything to do with oil change frequency. It's the design of the system that allows for a minimal amount of oil to be recycled through the intake valves. Normally this isn't an issue but with direct injected cars the gasoline is never sprayed onto the back of the intake valves like it is in port injected cars (which cleans the valve). With that said, you have 2 options to remedy this issue. A catch can, or taking apart the engine and bead blasting it every so often. Obviously one of those is easier than the other which is why I highly recommend this. It's pretty cheap insurance.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I ordered 2021 vette. Learning. Just like to double-check my thoughts... Much thanks!
@7:25min Is there any oil in the catch can? Resounding Yes from me! and another point:you probably already know this ...At 4:05 about blacking out that logo. It's like your copywriters when doing your vlog. The after market Manufacturer has to do something to offset their design to promote their Floor mats. That said, a Chevrolet looking brand made a little different than the actual Corvette logo. but appears as if you have a Chevrolet product. Thank you "Catch Can Man"
🤣🤣🤣 "Catch Can Man" I like that!
I say there’s gunna be little bit of oil in there
Maybe.. 😉