AI Art is CRUMBLING and why AI bros aren't happy about it...
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- AI Art is falling apart and AI bros don't want me to tell you this, but its the truth...
This video collection series features six of my most popular and important art talks on the corruptive influence of AI art and how its manipulative propaganda campaign is trying to make you think you need to use it. The reality is, it's all lies and this video will help you learn all of their lies.
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00:00 AI Art is dying
15:55 art hating ai art rhetoric
29:39 adapting to die
43:56 why ai art users will quit in 1-2 years
1:03:00 violent ai art agenda
1:18:00 toxic ai art community (they’re wrong)
You can see a huge number of people who are not even artists and already despise AI art because they are lifeless.
So true! And yet ai users are trying to weave this narrative that people love ai, but isn’t that just their user base echoing their beliefs?
@@TheArtMentor beyond that. A.I art is often very stiff. likely because its training data comes from the huge numbers of concept arts in basic poses. its always "girl facing camera" or "person in hero pose" if its not characters its swirly and highly detailed environment shot . sometimes you see interesting action poses if there is a story but they usually just attractive woman doing attractive things. not to mention its biggest users are coomers so its always either anime style or some variation of it. ironically the most "creative" A.I arts are memes and absurd concepts . its also WAAAY too "textured". the AI clearly doesnt understand how detailing works. so you often see impossible or jarring levels of detail on what should be stylized and therefore more simplified work. which clashes hard with the high contrast cartoon colors. it also always copies the "art station style" with the slightly dark lighting and low saturation coloring and cinematic soft lighting you would find in 3D renders.
@ali32bit42 dead on. I’ve spoken about that in my previous videos too, have you seen those?
@@TheArtMentor yeah. would be cool if you took a deep dive into Why ai looks the way it does. because unless its tuned to be photo realistic and the prompt is really good we can all tell its A.I but cant explain it without the vocabulary. the most obvious way to tell its useless greeble. or just the prompter not being able to remove something. (because the A.I model follows its training to a tea and may keep common details like wheels on a car even if you specify that it should not)
True, they can tell something is wrong.
Selling prompts and seeing AI images with water marks is hilariously ironic :)
So true!! And they claim it’s all from open source images, don’t they? 😂
there was a case semi recently in my game dev workspace where an "artist" tried to secretly upload ai "art" and claim it was real. they got fired really fast.
I’ve heard a lot of similar instance to this. Surprised? These ai users really have to learn this the hard way, don’t they? 😅 so how were they caught?
Because business' true currency isn't money. It's trust.
If you cannot trust the person, you cannot trust their work be done, regardless of how much you're paying.
Hence trust is priceless.
I think all real artists should start following the most popular AI "artists" and ripping off their most popular work. Creating superior handmade versions of everything they do. Make them irrelevant using their own tactics.
Now that's an amazing idea, that I can stand by! :)
i would've said the better position is one that doesn't rub salt in their face... i would've.
This is genius 🤣💯
That’s a popular trend actually. Have you seen this happening?
Refik Anadol, Sougwen Chung, Scott Eaton a couple at the top right now
AI 'art' is just making the true artist's work more valuable. Who'd have thought? XD
I mean, that kinda was the point.
People who use AI art never inted to hire artists in the first place. That's why companies are so adamant in its implementation while the open source community vehemently despises monetizing open source AI models.
No one is out to replace anyone other than greedy companies, doing what they've always wanted to do a long time ago: replace poeple with automation so that keep more of the money they make.
However, there are no open source models. That’s a popular fallacy. Every model utilizes scraping methods
That’s true! Real artists have been upgrading their pricing since ai and getting it. Keep it up! 💪
@@TheArtMentor So very true!! 👏
It's also making their art better I think. People are more conscious of making unique things, whether it's illustrators pushing composition and rendering style, or concept artists making unique designs with more purpose/detail.
I'm so tired of AI, not only the theivery, but the /look./ All of it looks the SAME
It's so generic. Which of course it is, but it's not fun to look at for more than 3 seconds.
To a point, yes. I'd argue even if you want it to do a specific style like dr seuss, it might just do that science fiction/fantasy style it always does.
@tressonkaru7410 AI art can't figure out how to make anything "unpretty." Has anyone tried to make a person look chunky? Doesn't work!!
@yourlocalfatshionista clunky can be pretty. But ai doesn't understand that. The only thing that limits an human is their business, depending, and their imagination. Ai's limitation is based on data n programming and with policies, which it really needs more of when it comes to using human art without permission, it's even more limited. Humans aren't limited by our imagination. In fact, humans have no limits. Even a blind person can make art.
@@tressonkaru7410I put "unpretty" in quotes for a reason, but I see how that could be misconstrued. I mean "unconventionally beautiful". I tried to make an AI image of a woman with a crooked nose, and it just broke her whole face (but the nose was still a button)
When I just went to art school, my first teacher was teaching us how to use ai to make art saying "everyone else will be using it, so you need to learn too so you aren't disadvantaged". When I protested and said pretty much everything in this video she said "you just have to deal with the new reality". Later during lunch I asked other students about it and they were really missed about it too, just too scared to confront the teacher.
I was so pissed that she was just straight up teaching us to steal instead of reassuring us that we won't need it
That's so terrible, and I'm sorry to hear your experience. It's unfortunately not the first time I've heard such accounts. Want to know the real reason why they're pushing it so hard?
@TheArtMentor sure, I'm curious! Although I think I have an idea why this specific teacher is really into ai, I've seen her paintings and they are not impressive. She does installations only at this point
Personally I just like the process of drawing and I don’t wanna use ai because of that. Why would I want to use something that has none of what I enjoy about art? Apparently that’s a controversial statement because AI tech bros get SO mad at me for just saying that.
Right! I love working on an artwork, ai bros don’t understand that.
They treat our artistic labors like drudgery, but how fulfilling is it? That’s why they won’t make it bc ai bros hate the process 💪
Yeah, the AI bros really don't get it, do they? The process is the best part of art.
So true, I tried AI art just to see how "marvelous" it was. But I was just typing and waiting and typing again because it wasn't looking at all like what I wanted, and waiting for a long time while I did something else. At the end I felt robbed of the artistic experience and like I had been doing homework.
I've seen people win first place at fairs for putting together a typical lego set. Winning one of those isn't a flex in any way shape or form at this point 😂
Exactly 😂
Outside of the very specific fields of AI research and machine learning, AI for commercial use is just a pathetic grift and AI art is the most blatant example. I'll be glad to watch them end up like NFTs.
Very true, and yet everyone is expecting companies to eat this up when anyone can steal their assets 😅
"Everyone is born an artist" Hearing that reminded me of the time I was with my homeschool group member who was the mom of the neighboring family. I taught her how to draw a sword. She was so excited just to draw a simple one edged sword, saying she had never done that before. I was 14 when I gave that tiny drawing lesson. I love the speed and simplicity of sword sketching and feel like it drills me on line placement. Even when people would say the common phrase "I can't draw stick figures" my kid self would try and teach them to draw stick figures with the letter A as a body.
That’s such a cool experience! Thanks so much for sharing! I totally agree
I actually played around with ai art myself, and don’t mistake, I’ve been drawing and doing character art for over a decade (nearly two depending on serious years). And I had hoped that maybe it would be good for acting as a middle stage for the wobbly hard to define image in my head and the many failed frustrated roughs on my way to a finished design. The problem though, is it never felt like it gave me even close to what I was going for. And, at first that made me feel like I was just bad at AI art (cause at the time I was giving it the benefit of the doubt on being a medium), meanwhile, it seemed like my programmer room mate and all my DND friends who used it all had results they wanted!… But did they? It became clear that they all just didn’t really even have a solid idea what they wanted, they were just throwing dice till eventually they got something they liked. Ai isn’t going to be able to form exactly the idea I already have in my brain, and if it did… maybe my idea wasn’t that interesting or new in the first place.
This has been my experience as well. I have yet to find an AI image generator that works for what I want. As for D&D, The Baldur's Gate character generator would probably be more useful as a base compared to AI, especially since it has accurate proportions for various body types. I also saw an artist release D&D character assets where anyone can easily make their own character.
@@LillenArt2 I’m a furry artist
This is exactly what I think, more often than not the majority of people don't even know what they want.
I've had commissioners who at the start don't even know what they want and I have to help them at figuring out even more so when it comes to character design.
Yeah exactly
My friends do the same and it's always been "this is close ish." Never "that is exactly what I wanted"
same, I would say I do like some of the color ideas it gives me to do my own work but that is because I suck at color and I need to improve on it myself with more studies.
As an aspiring game dev, it’s fucking miserable seeing artists and coders going at each other’s throats. Hopefully this reaches a resolution that benefits everyone.
Oh yeah I feel you. However, it's important to remember the genesis of this conflict was the theft and exploitation of artists
There will be no peace or resolution if one side insists upon exploiting the others' fruit of labor.
That’s a one sided exploitation and it isn’t from artists
I feel the same, technology is supposed to HELP people, not steal from them.
I'm the "I just wanna have fun person" and I stopped using AI after I got like five pictures of very specific stuff I was not skilled enough to draw or photoshop myself.
I got into It after about a month when I got frustraited I can't get my alien character to look the way I want it to. And when I spent about tree hours trying to make AI generate what I wanted I got so angry It motivated me to get to painting every day. I got a lot better since then, so in some sence AI motivated me to practice drawing because i realized how shitty it really is.
That’s a great outcome! What are you enjoying making yourself nowadays?
@@TheArtMentor I try to challenge myself as much as possible. I drawn humans mostly until this AI incident, so now I try backgrouds, landscapes, perspective and interesting lighting.
I found myself in painting after practicing lineart for five years.
@british_punk_1656 good for you! Keep it up and I’ll be here to support you 💪
Nightshade is becoming powerful too and its awesome because its designed to confuse the AI scrapers. If enough people use it, the models will become unstable. I love it. Get on the offensive!
AI scraping other AI creations is already starting to cause database degeneration the same way generations of inbreeding causes irreparable genetic damage.
We are all looking forward to that release and its refinement 💪
There's absolutely no evidence that Nightshade or Glaze actually work at all, that entire "research project" reeks of snake oil tbqh
At least AI bros can be quarantined, what's worse is when actual artist paints over generated artwork and pretend it's not, they poison the art community just like those who trace.
and how can those artists even call those images their own? So by that logic, if I did a paintover of one of my subscriber's artworks, is that now my artwork?
Good news : We can protect more our arts now since Nightshade 1.0 is finally out. A lot of ai bros will be less horrible now after being manipulators and treating artists so bad with their nonsense abuses of toxicity!
Heck yes! 👏
I've been a training illustrator since about a year before midjourney dropped so I've been on this rollercoaster of "is this finally it?" with all the new AI tools coming out many times. With almost all of them, I go into a little frenzy of "damn this is actually useful" only to realize after a couple hours that doing things manually will net me much quicker results. It sometimes make my rendering for a certain part in my illustration better, but I'm better off just practicing intentional decisions.
People have a point that AI will just keep getting "better", but guess who will be using those future tools to their fullest? Not people who are using an inefficient instant-gratification machine to saturate the market, but people who need to do everything manually to achieve work with evocation and narrative.
Beyond that though, why also not assume that human artists will be substantially better in 1,2,5,or 10 years? My artwork is unrecognizable from 5 years ago. Let’s keep putting faith in humans, right? 💪
@littlegee What in my comment made you think I'm so worried about it? I'll welcome AI tools that are genuinely useful but almost all their usefulness (which right now just being a reference generator) is omitted from whatever end product real artists make. This video is about "AI art" and "AI bros" as a whole crumbling, not general art tools arising which has alrady been a thing throughout photoshop's existence.
Oh please don’t misunderstand me! I was elaborating on your points, not arguing or anything 😁 no sense of fear from you or I either, just adding to the conversation. All good?
@@TheArtMentor it was a different replier, they mustve deleted their comment.
oh okay thanks for clarifying
I wish I could share your views on it and feel less hopeless. Last week I cancelled/put on hold ALL of my commissions because I just cant bring myself to draw. I usually feel so happy whilst drawing. But at the moment I cant even draw a line without feeling like I want to cease existing...
Art for me is hobby. Im disabled and will never be able to work full time in my life. I just do a few commission pieces for mostly enjoyment. It doesnt earn me a lot and not even up to the amount im legally allowed to earn (probably never would anyway since my disability limit my productivity)
Im feeling so depressed about AI art... art was the one thing i felt i had value, meaning and purpose. It was something that made me feel i can achieve something by my own efforts wirhout much assistance from others. Unlike most other aspect of my patheic life :') and not to mention the sense of community and belonging which I lack in my regular life. Since being disabled creates so much isolation and rarely get opportunities to meet people. And now its not just the fact AI art EXISTS but the people using it are invading ARTISTS spaces, showing no respect and even engaging in threatening behaviours. If they just went over there with their own communities and left artists to enjoy their spaces... i can live with that.
I’m so sorry to hear you feel this way, and you’re not alone. And may I offer you some wisdom on this matter though? AI isn’t really what’s bothering you or stopping you. AI didn’t steal that fire from you or make you stop commissions or even feel downtrodden. It’s something much much deeper than that, but AI is aggravating that something. I’d encourage you to reach deep and ponder what it is so you can address the core issue, because I can confidently assert that you’d be feeling this way eventually, my friend. Dig deep and you’ll find the answer and your solution. Stay strong 💪
@@TheArtMentor thanks for the response. You're right. I think I know this... and somehow makes it hurt more. It forced me to, again, face the fact that I am insignificant. And no amount of effort I put in will change it.
@kyer9677 do you hear how many times you put yourself down in two bodies of text? That’s the issue 😅 and you’re not insignificant, but you telling yourself isn’t helping you, is it?
@TheArtMentor True... I read this back today and realise how bad it was. I must work harder on self compassion
@kyer9677 that’s some great reflection! I get it though. It’s easy to get down and doubt yourself. But if people are actually commissioning you, remember that they believe in you and support you too 👍
the part about A.I art not being a tool is very on point. i am a 3D artist at heart and have been for years. but take blender away from me and within a month i am already a graphic designer in inkscape take that away from me and ill be drawing in gimp or krita.. take any graphical app from me and ill be writing stories or programming. heck i could make ASCII art . take the whole darn computer from me and i am still drawing and writing in my physical notebook. take paper from me and ill be making art with random objects. drawing on sand if i have too. because i am an artist and i know what the heck i am doing when i design something. its a whole mindset and skillset to boot. ill be happy to be the graffiti artist for the tribes that survive the zombie outbreak in November 5 2031.
you cant ask a camera to take a photo for you, thats why its a tool. it needs You to do things, non of the things i mentioned above can do that. the A.I does all the work for you and doesnt need you whatsoever to exist. the prompts can literally be made by another A.I thats scripted by a random dude to generate prompts on a topic.
Thanks for echoing my own beliefs and the points in this video! Beyond just skills, being an artist is an authentic mindset and passion isn’t it?
@@TheArtMentor i have always viewed art as masterfully and creatively using the resources around you to create an emotionally and sensually captivating or pleasing experience for others based on intrinsic motivations. by that definition even tokyo drifting can be an art form. and to do that an artist needs to go above and beyond the norm, the good enough, the acceptable , the standard and the generic. thats why the architects of taj mahal are praised as artists and the architects of sheet metal factories are not.
one just wants to meet a quota and basic requirements while the other is innovating above and beyond the standard. if they weren't then taj mahal would just be 4 square rooms.
if we limited art to images that look good to the monkey brain and anime coomers but dont mean anything byond that, then we betray the very concept of art, ignoring every instance of creativity there is. even mathematics and engineering have potential for artistary, look at nikola tesla. he had every attribute of an artist, looking byond surface level engineering books and carving a new path with many new inventions,including the revolutionary (pun intended) AC motor. as well as using showmanship to captivate audiences to them and having deep visions for grand creations. nobody expected or even wanted an AC motor. they assumed it to be impractical and expansive. we were going to be stuck with 1800s technology because DC motors and power were too limited for mass production. meanwhile tesla built the foundation of electricity like the artist that he was.
The best comment of all!!! 😊
The supply is way too high for too little demand. When it started, it looked like it was going to be hard to even spot the AI art. Now you can spot that midjourney style from a glance (same exact super bright shading/coloring style everyone's using on the big art sites). That's 90% of the crap out there. The other 10% of people try to be more clever, but the fundamental problems remain: too much supply of it, too little demand, and too little control over what it actually creates.
Exactly! Have you seen my newer video that speaks about this market issue?
So I am a graduate of two years (I was diagnosed with autism after education, I’m saying this because I struggle with emotional control) and I studied for concept art, once I did graduate that’s when AI sort of came on the rise, and tbh the more I tried and continued to develop myself while looking for work I watched what could bring my passion to its knees suddenly burst into popularity, started hearing then the horror stories and I started to spiral in fear of my future, rn I surround myself with other artists who also want to break into the game industry like me, it’s still hard to keep going so sometimes I look for info from videos like this to keep me going, just wanted to say thank you
Can I say that people like you are exactly why I make this type of content? It's awesome of you to continue to pursue the art career you're going for. I bet you'll do great things in your field, and I'll be here to help you along the way!
A good game can stay fun and keep variety in it for hundreds of hours.
AI art doesn't have that lasting sustainability.
Real art can be done faster, easier, in FAR more styles, and will have an inspiration and life to it that the AI art will never have.
Exactly! And how many same-looking games would everyone want to play anyways?
@@TheArtMentor >.> Depends on the games. Final Fantasy games look similar, but it's the story and character and gameplay differences that carry them. ;)
"Real art can be done faster" Uhh...what do you base that on? Even if you don't factor in all the time it takes a human to learn and practice artistic skills, AI can whip out several fully rendered pieces in a matter of seconds. It would take me days at best to do one.
True, and even each entry in the series has a different aesthetic that evolves through many many discussions and various directions in each game. They don’t have “sameness” they have an established standard, which is vastly different 🙂
@@Springheel01 I know artists who can do full color digital pieces in hours.
You're also ignoring the scraping art/prompt manipulation part.
And even then, you'll be settling for "Good enough" instead of " oh, this is better than I expected."
Don't settle for the AI trap.
I really hope your right, AI art just comes across as HD and usually creepy clip art
thank you for this. i'm a teen and even though i haven't really lived for a while i've basically revolved my entire life on art. video games, music, drawing, stories. i like human expression and have been loving it since i was a little kid just watching movies. When the whole ai art thing came along i just passed it off as something that could never replace human expression. i messed around with ai chats and chatgpt stuff as well as some stupid stuff like the family guy ai thing i thought was so funny. but it wasn't until last night that i looked more into sora and was totally and utterly terrified. i have an EXTREME crippling fear of the future. and the idea that the only thing that is a constant thing i can turn to is going to be reduced to a small dopamine boost for a fahrenheit 451 type society was BAD. like i felt like everything i knew was just going to be ripped away and useless. all my video games, music and my hopes of making things was going to be useless.
and it's not that i think the ai "art" looks good. sora is realistic but it's terrible and stale. i'm just terrified of capitalism and it being a cheap and easy way to make ads and crap as well as it being turned into a dopamine boost. all my hopes and dreams of sharing human experience through stories would be GONE. life would be so, so bleak. even bleaker than now.
but i saw a comment under a reddit post a while back under something about ai art and being worried about it. it was like this
"if humans can make art through early death or poverty and suffering, than machines won't kill us"
i hope it will be like that. i genuinely think if my fears turn true i will just not be alive.
I totally understand your concerns, and that’s exactly why I make the content I do to help artists like you 💪 have you seen my other videos on this topic?
I feel like a lot of AI bros misunderstand what a 'style' even is, and focus on it way too much. They're so busy trying to make a style that's a sort of frankenstein choice of other artist's styles in a bid to make something unique, but this is very much a middle schooler only drawing anime approach to art. No offense to those people, it's just, well. Branch out to make your anime look better, kids!
In order to actually develop one's own style, truly, is to integrate your own eyes/hands into the art. I mean that in a very physical sense. How our bodies perceive light, shadow, form, color ect. are legitimately different from one another in both what we as individuals notice as we observe and SEE. Our sense of color literally changes as we age. The sexes see color differently. The blind, whether partial or total will perceive and recreate the world in their art in their own ways too. On a physiological level, you are unique and will make unique choices whether you wish to or not. That is a core component of what makes a style *personal* - a lack of control, a lack of choice born from personal understanding. Any real artist worth their salt at all will have studied from life to understand what things look like, and even without references handy will bring those perceptions into a piece made from memory as well. An artist who doesn't have a reference to draw a hand, will most likely inevitably make the hand in question look like their own even in a negligible way - because our hands are with us all the time. We see them significantly more than other hands.
Even how we PERCEIVE and appreciate other's styles to draw inspiration from is vastly different. Say, if I was inspired by Loish like many artists are - my appreciation isn't really in how Loish draws faces. What I do really appreciate about that artist's style is a sense of movement, form, and a general fluidity. I also like their sense of color sometimes but not for all pieces! Even if I were to try to implement those things about Loish's style exactly into mine, it would never *quite* be there. I don't see things the way they do. Also, most artists are fairly embarrassed if they are told they are very obviously directly copying another artist... :) So we try to avoid it anyway. I have seen people who mimic Loish very closely, and when I realized it wasn't the artist I like already, I was disappointed. I don't want a look-a-Loish, I just want Loish.
All of this to say... By being unwilling to allow themselves to be part of the artistic process, AI bros are quite literally locking themselves out of having their own style that includes their own unique perspectives. The world will never truly have a look through their eyes, through their mind, and that's a damn shame. Especially when, the access to honing the expression of that might cost $20 for paper and a #2 pencil. Or stealing supplies from their office, if they feel naughty and work in one. A professor of mine would create full paintings on his cellphone using open source painting apps, and that was nearly ten years ago when smartphones crashed if there were more than a handful of apps on them.
Real artists understand that an image doesn’t make you an artist, isn’t that right?
Wait, people are actually trying to make money out of this? Like, why would anyone be buying "art" from AI bros if everyone can, in theory, just pay that same AI service themselves and generate image with their own prompts or whatever, as many times as they want?
I think AI bros created an echo chamber, hyping each other up so they can justify their own illusions. They "support" each other, but I am sure they've never put their money where their mouth is and bought AI "art" from someone else. It's just sad to watch and I hope these people will find genuine fulfillment in life once this AI "art" ship inevitably sinks.
This is so true. Isn't that also why there's far more supply of ai work than demand for it? Ever notice how ai bros all hype each other up with the promise of riches and they're mostly all striking out? not a coincidence
"Democratizing" isn't what AI is doing. You can get essentially college educated through tons of free materials and interacting with the art community. You can make buddies (like, myself, even) that are more than willing to share their knowledge and give crit if you ask. Art is the most accessible it has EVER been. You can pay for lessons, but you really can just learn to do basically any kind of art now.
I don't actually think the problem will just go away like Mr. Mentor up here. I think CEOs lust for anything that'll fuck over labor- especially skilled labor.
No need for formalities 🙃 and yes I absolutely agree with you on the accessibility of art nowadays. It’s never been easier to be one, just like I defend and prove throughout this, right?
However, why so afraid of it ruining CEO’s bottom lines with products nobody likes? General distaste has been growing since it became popular. Also, I never said the tech would die, did I? The interest and hype is though, as stated
Once I enjoyed a news influencer here on UA-cam. Now I can barely listen to him because he converted his early apple guy persona in "AI will revolutionize the world forever" persona. Always cherry-picking the cases where AI seems to work and ignoring eventual failures, like how everyone on Instagram got sick of the AI filters in a week or how TWO layers have now lost their job because they asked ChatGPT to list non-existing cases. There's also that NY Times lawsuit that might put down ChaGPT as we know it forever, or the fact that influencers that became AI-Bros are turning into magnificent LoL-cows that would make NFT-Bros cringe, if they weren't the same fucking kind of people.
It's just the Silicon Valley liberal mindset trying to find new ways technology might save us from the toil of being a functional human being, and it's so tiring.
Isn’t it sad how quickly influencers attempted to ride this ai art hype train, all the while they didn’t think about their image and longevity very well, did they?
What do you think of the recent AI video sora news? Do you think it'll affect the art world?
I felt like I was already getting over AI images, partly thanks to your words, but these news came out and they've crushed my spirits. Not just in my hopes of a future career as a creative, but also because I view this as a genuine safety concern for the average person. Everywhere I go I get shoved more fearmongering about it down my throat which doesn't help my hope or anxiety in the slightest.
Yeah sora contains the same issues as image generators: generic, highly flawed, unimaginative, unoriginal, and totally worthless compared to what you can do. I know it’s a new hype, but those sora videos aren’t anything special. One majorly good aspect of video generators getting more attention is that it’ll invite another round of new lawsuits and advocates for creator rights. Just remember it’ll take lawsuits and lawmakers about 2-5 years to do anything, and meanwhile, nobody is doing anything substantial with any of this tech anyway
@@TheArtMentor I agree. The moment something malicious is generated targeting an influential person I can definitely see lawmakers finally starting to take action.
yeah my stream is pretty dominated by video generation ads, but none of them are anything anyone will really ever care about. Tech just trying to hype and move on from image generation
I think it was Shad M. Brooks that start the whole 'artists are elitists' rhetoric. The same guy by the way who gets paid to swing swords in his backyard and shout about how movies are woke for living.
I think his brother is also Jazza, so...Shad might have a chip on his shoulder...
@@sarahhirsch8919 I have a feeling Shad is like this with all his interests. He's not a leading expert in anything but pretends to be anyways. He's most known for his HEMA-adjacent stuff but even there you have real HEMA chads towering over him like Knyght Errant and Matt Easton.
Ah thanks for clarifying that. Interesting stance when his brother is one of the most popular UA-cam artists in the world, isn’t it?
Which is really funny, as in his video demonstrating his AI "art" process, he's basically riding his own dick, boasting about how talented he is when all he actually did was generate an image with AI, use photoshop to replace Supergirl's face with his wife's, and then keep feeding the photoshoped image back to AI, and back to photoshop.... like he boasts how it takes true artistic knowledge, yet he doesn't realize the OBVIOUS PROPORTION AND LIGHTING MISTAKES THAT THE PIECE HAS, something that any artist who is as skilled as he claims to be would have picked up upon and fixed, not to mention that AI STILL DID 90% OF THE "WORK" THERE. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE IMAGE, HE JUST EDITED IT A BIT!
@@cdewx5749 Which makes me wonder how the hell did this guy managed to be a weapon consultant for Brandon Sanderson....
Honestly, the only thing worse than his Ai "art" is his writing, Shad's book Shadow of the Conqueror is just.... honestly disgusting...
I messed around with AI Art (free) for a bit and I like to redraw the generated image to see if I can do it better. It was a fun practice and pushed me out of my comfort zone for a while but it also became boring pretty fast. Bouns I got a good laugh out of some of the messed up images it created with arms coming out of nowhere or the goofy faces were super funny sometimes!
That’s a popular practice. Just make sure not to upload your own stuff into the database 👍
It's good to hear this, lately I've been feeling discouraged by AIs, I still have a lot to learn about art, and seeing that an ai does tremendous work in seconds, discourages me from continuing to make art.
I hope companies prefer a human to a machine, although I don't have much hope for that.
I think it will be like the companies that moved all their help desk overseas and found out that they weren't getting good value.
@@Wastelandman7000 My brother works on video games, and I remember they did something like that. They "outsourced" stuff to save money, but what they got back were models that were all the wrong size and everything. So they just wasted time and money putting an extra step in the process instead of having their guys do it to begin with because none of the work was usable.
"The cheap comes out expensive" is a saying for a reason.
Could you maybe make a video on how to recognize AI art? Apart from obvious things like anatomy issues and weird hyperrealistic images - I feel there are plenty of AI generated images in the wild that go unnoticed. For example, when I browse midjourney's subbredit, I sometimes see watercolor style pieces that I would never be able to tell were AI generated. These are usually images of nature, so the obvious clues involving humans are not so obvious anymore. I just wish I could tell with confidence if something was created by an actual human or not.
Yep I sure did! Here you go:
10 ways to spot AI Art scams so you don't waste your time and money
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They all look the same and usually AI generate images have this strange morphing, like its "melting" once you see a bunch of them you can pretty much spot out 99% of them. They have this very specific look you cannot miss. Even the best AI generated images have that "look".
Man his paintings are well better when you see the final image zoomed out. zoomed in it looks a little awkward and like theres muddy "hard" transitions but it comes together when you zoom out impressive!
You’d see that true of any artwork, pro or otherwise, from old masters to contemporary ones. Haven’t you noticed that? Look hard enough and you’ll see areas that aren’t that important in any artwork
That's one of the reasons why artists work so big, too.
exactly
There was a case where an AI art won a book cover contest in Brazil... because the author of the book was ALSO one of the Judges HUHAEUHAEUHAEUAHEA
dang that's corrupt huh??
Ai fake art is just NFT it will bloom because of popularity, and people don't know what it is.
And it's both ugly.
Isn’t it the same type of person who got into ai image generation? Grifters gotta grift
I've said this before on other videos on the topic. I'm not an artist. At least not in any meaningful capacity. I dabble in writing and quite enjoy that, but in regard to visual art, I lack the mind's eye for it, and I lack the discipline and patience to develop the skills necessary for it. I STILL utterly despise AI art. Art should say something about the creator's experience. It should reflect their passions, emotions both good and bad, and it should reflect the massive amounts of effort they've spent refining their craft. AI art deserves no respect. It deserves no more consideration than a cursory "Huh... Look at that." if it even deserves that. The only people who consider AI art to be real art are those who don't understand art at any decent depth. All they're looking for is "pwetty pikchur" and honestly, they rarely manage even that.
To real artists here, I want to say. You have my support. You have the support of a lot more non-artists than you realize. There's a reason "Was it made by AI?" is a question that's being asked about pieces, movies, music, etc that are bland and uninspired. AI art won't replace you. Not as long as people like me exist. There's no singularity of perpetual computer self improvement going on here. Just a bunch of algorithms that are being tweaked by humans and the stolen data they use. The tech will plateau sooner or later, and its tells will become more and more common knowledge.
Thanks for your support 🙏
As an artist, thank you so much. It feels good knowing there are people like you out there.
if nothing else is left: keep drawing, until the last AI-Image generator stops functioning!
I guarantee that humans will outlive ai content. How's that sound?
I flirted with AI art and got bored really quick. Pressing buttons and getting a machine to draw for you is very shallow. There is no warmth, no authenticity, no inspiration, no touch, no progress, no process. Uh gross....no process lol no thanks. AI art is utterly uninspiring, fake and unsatisfactory for me. I much prefer hanging out in the comment sections and communicating with actual human being creators.
And that process is really the most enjoyable and relatable part of artmaking, isn’t it?
AI art is so easily identifiable. What you will have in the very near future is a software that may even be a plug-in to existing website that verifies whether it’s AI art or human produced.
Not hard to imagine, is it? Especially with companies getting caught using it
You already can
I collect tarot and oracle decks for the art. If I see AI art, I shun it. I detest all AI art. It’s such a turn off.
Great example! Ever notice the same for DnD stuff and music albums or book covers?
@@TheArtMentorI hate it all 😝
These videos have done wonders in calming my anxiety about this situation. Thank you so much! Please do more videos like this if you’re able to.
I love hearing that, and don’t worry my friend! You have loads more potential than machines 😁 what’s been your prior response to ai before watching my content?
@@TheArtMentor Before I watched your videos I was about as scared as everybody else about being made obsolete by an AI that can create artworks that look like a human made them while also getting better as time goes on. I do a lot of 3D art and animation along with a few drawings and I hope to get into the art field one day for a job, but I've always felt anxious over being taken advantage of or having my hard work stolen. After watching your videos I got to see AI for what it was which was just another feel good machine for those who don't care much for art. I loved the points made about copyright, the value in the creative process, and cutting corners. I was also concerned about not being able to tell what's real and what's fake anymore but I heard about some proposed laws like the AI Labeling Act of 2023 which would help with that. Apologies for the long comment but I want to really emphasize much I appreciate this video. Keep up the amazing work! 👍
@redacted7623 no need to apologize! I’m thrilled that you got so much value from my videos, and know that it all comes from a very genuine place 🙂 btw have you seen my newest video on this topic as well? I think you’ll enjoy it a lot
I don't think AI Art will go away- but I do think it's place in the 'ecosystem' of commercial Art will be more limited than many people think. There are two reasons for this- first AI Art does have a 'look', despite it's ability to mimic different styles there is still something about AI Generated images that is recognisable- and the more AI Art you see the more this 'family resemblance' becomes clear. For example I can recognise images from the 'Midjourney' family as being different to images from the 'Dall.e' family- different algorithms leave different imprints on the images they create.
So the more AI generated images you see, the more you start to notice that they have their own particular look and feel, no matter what style or subject matter they are prompted to create.
This leads to reason number two- As AI Art becomes a recognisable thing it's use will not be easy to hide, which means that in most cases any Art that has been made using AI will be identified as such- and this will become a probem if you want that Art to enhance the perceived value of your product, because putting AI Art into your book or game ect will be like saying 'Hey Guys, I have such little respect for you as potential purchasers of my product that I have used the cheapest and most lazy Art available.' So using AI Art may actually damage the percived value of the thing you are trying to sell, which is exact opposite of what you wanted it to do.
What's funny about this is the AI developers have a vested interest in telling everyone just how quick and easy it is to make Art with their software, because they want people to sign up and pay to use it. But what does this message of 'quick and easy' do to the perecived value of the actual Art they are generating? How much value does anyone place on something that can be made with no effort in a few minutes? The answer is not very much.
So I think there will be place for AI Art in situations where the Art is not that important- say on a greetings card for example. But in a situation where the Art matters, for example, in a high quality board game, using AI Art will send entirely the wrong message, because it's use will be seen as insulting to those who buy such things and invest time in playing them. The thing that makes AI Art so attractive to non Artists- it's ease of use and speed, are the same things that will make using AI Art commercially toxic and self defeating in many situations.
So the future of AI Art is- in my view- to function as a kind of 'clip art' that has it's place but only in contexts where the Art is peripheral to the meaning and perceived value of the product it is used to promote.
I always like to say that AI art is the Comic Sans of illustration. It won't go away, it will be massively used but it will also make everyone using it look cheap and hard for people to treat their product/creations seriously.
I've wondered if it might be treated as a more sophisticated Plugin and not the main 'creative' tool. Sitting in the Plugin Menu Photoshop already has. Or maybe it could handle the mixing of a subject into a background without the tedious Lasso process?
That would’ve been a decent idea with another direction that wasn’t so unethical
Well said. And for those using ai in any context, they don’t realize that the ai is getting the praise rather than the artist or product, wouldn’t you say?
@@TheArtMentor Haha, I like to say that people posting AI images are just doing a portfolio for whatever AI model they're using xD
I predict software that is capable of automatically filtering out AI generated images useful for uploading stuff to certain websites that way we can be certain that the content on their websites is made by humans.
so true! anti-AI software is still in development and will also be refined, no doubt
1.) Thankfully I think AI art is evolving too fast to meet the same progress in society. To put it simply: the general population just slips through it, and would not care if it has ever existed or not. They will use it for memes and tiktok videos, where it is the most accessable.
2.) Its a common comment of AI-enthusiasts: "omg imagine that you go home and type in what kind of movie you want to watch and AI will generate it to you." Okay this can happen. But I have two sidenotes to it: a.) Not everyone eats McDonalds all week. b.) I am already fed up with the algorythms of streaming services. Please surprise me. And it connects to point:
3.) People value art because of the artist. I can go out and spray some graffiti over a cctv camera this night, no one will care. But if Banksy does.... And people value the COMMON experience art brings to them. I mean if everybody can have their Game Of Thrones episodes who will talk about game of thrones episodes anymore?
So can I imagine a future where people go home and open StreamAI (a hypothetic AI) and finetune what kind of movie they want to see that night?
Yes I can.
As there are fast food chains.
But you know what is evolving also? Healty living both physically, mentally, enviromentally and the search for craftmanship and authenticity. (doesnt matter if you live be these values or not. its also an existing trend)
So worst case scenario: we will jobbless in 2-10 years. Best case scenario: Finally we can care about the more interesting (and economically valuable) staff than doing that logo for the deli at the corner you didn't even wanted to do.
lots of truths here, proving why AI content is worthless and will never be appreciated at the same level as authentic artworks
why would a million dollar enterprise hire some dude to type some shit in a AI generator if they themselves can do it
Or, on the other hand, why would a company pay more than minimum wage for that "profession"? Where is the value?
@@TheArtMentor Or on the other hand, why would a company pay ANYTHING for that "profession". Again, it's just typing shit into a prompt field, a monkey could probably do it.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on people (not just prompt jockeys) saying that glaze isn't very effective in protecting art. Has there been proof showing that glaze is actually effective in protecting artists work? I know it's a legitimate attempt and all especially since Karla Ortiz is supporting and backing it. Along with the upcoming program Nightshade which will start poisoning datasets. Also what are your thoughts on Wacom's promo banner featuring AI art for their intuos tablet? What do you think about the new MTG controversies going on right now with their 'retro art background' that they're claiming isn't AI.
So for the anti-ai tech, and not to steal ai bro rhetoric, but this is gen 1. It’s not perfect but it’s been shown to be effective in some studies, although it will inevitably improve and many more will come out and do it much better.
With regards to Wacom and mtg, it proves my thesis that companies using this will face considerable backlash for a short-sighted money savings, doesn’t it?
Personally, I’m a bit of a control freak. One of the reasons why I’ve been learning to draw is specifically because I want to bring my own ideas and stuff to life, with full control over the process. So why the hell would I ever use ai to generate the stuff I want to make lol? It’s impossible to control the output, and in the 2-4 times I’ve tried to make any of the ai generators make something halfway decent (mostly out of curiosity) I’ve always been left extremely unimpressed. I also went to school for coding, and I’ve been sorely unimpressed by any ai generators attempts with that side of things too (ironic, given how they were made)
great point! The outputs are always a disappointing compromise when you have even a little ability, isn't it?
As I improved in my art journal the less I use ai and the more I see flaws. I begin to be grateful I had done my art with my flaws and appreciated yet ai vers of my art felt worst than my own and misses what I want in my art.
You don't need AI, I know you have the potential to kick that garbage out!!
**as in, you'll be better and knocking your own art out of the park, and the AI into the trash
That's because your art is yours and it's doing what you want.
Image generators just try to feed you a mush of stuff that might be somewhat relevant to what you're asking for.
Keep drawing!
Flaws are what make your art human. Its why AI writing may be readable, but, it can;'t create flawed characters like a human can. And its the flaws that make humans human. Its the same way with the visual arts. Its the quirks and flaws that make it great because it was made by humans for humans.
You’re so on point with the importance of going through these important aspects of artmaking. Especially how you need to not only create these mistakes, but WHY you do and WHY they don’t work and HOW to do things differently, wouldn’t you say?
Hopefully we get more Anti-AI software because personally, it would be so awesome if phones have the same feature as Glaze or Nightshade so that every photo taken will have the same effect to confuse the system and because of misogynistic men using it to create fake images of women in an NSFW manner and maybe also for voices.
oh that would be great to see app versions! I love that idea
ty for compiling this! gonna marathon while doing some work irl
Glad to hear! What did you think of this?
Hey I just got an idea. What if the glaze app or some other app is developed not only to protect images from scraping, but perhaps also add it to some sort of official database of copyrighted work. That way artists can simply register any art and have that as some sort of backup in case the art is used in AI to sue and claim unfair use. Idk Im no lawyer but then again I used to think that posting stuff with a creative commons license in DeviantArt would protect my stuff, how wrong I was.
That would be great! We're still only at the forefront of anti-AI protections, so let's keep imagining how they'll get better as well, right?
I’ll be glad to see the AI bros give up on AI art generators when the next grift from the tech industry rears its ugly head.
This is not some revolutionary tech that’s going to change the course of human history. These tools were created for greedy pricks to save a few bucks on art they need but don’t want to pay for. Ai art will go down as another overhyped fad from the tech industry that’ll get dropped as soon as the profit dries up or cause more problems than companies can deal with.
Artists, don’t let anyone tell you’re just an algorithm or outdated. We as artists will continue to learn and improve during this period of snake oil and mediocrity because people will always be compelled by art made by an actual human. Don’t let the cynics, tech bros, and predatory marketing tactics tell you otherwise.
You're right on point! Nobody was ever crying and dying over a lack of artwork now, were they? This is just manipulative marketing, isn't it?
I've recently started using AI to get inspiration for my art. I don't think it's going to die out in the way you say but I think that the AI art bros arent going to not last long.
What if you knew that any use of AI is actively hurting other artists, and there are better ways to conceptualize your ideas?
@@TheArtMentor I’m not publishing what I generate but I get the ethical dilemma.
@raichump_yt what tools or resources have you tried other than ai? I can recommend some much better resources
@@TheArtMentor Pinterest, Reference photos, making a collages and concept boards
Can I recommend some better tools?
hey peeps im late here, im going to drop artstation too much ai art on it and when i want to buy a cool art piece from an artist the ai art fills up the shop anyone know any alternatives, Im a 3D artist that does characters/creatures and some arch viz
Oh yeah they’ve flooded that platform haven’t they? Ai users trying to get industry jobs and striking out 😅 so what other platforms have you looked into for this?
@@TheArtMentor I've checked out Behance but I'm not really a fan of how it works, I was thinking of checking CG Society out, other than that I don't know of many others.
I've been a freelance artist for decades and I'm not going to have a problem competing with AI.
I agree, let the AI artist have those $10 commissions.
Great to hear that! I hope more artists read your comment and agree. That's simply unsustainable isn't it?
@@TheArtMentor Random elements in a picture no matter how good they look are still random elements. There are semantic and semiotic representations that AI cannot understand or depict.
Poetry is poetry and product is product.
I’ve been a full time artist for 15 years (digital painter mostly) and have really REALLY tried to use AI in my work. Not once has it made what i was looking for.. and yes i did try a lot; controlnet / comfyui / inpainting etc. Some of it came close’ish, but then to deconstruct and fix it takes almost as much time as making it yourself from scratch.. has been a waste of time so far to be honest.
Exactly what all of us who have even a little experience encounter. Our own creativity wins every time, doesn’t it?
@@TheArtMentorSo far it sure does. Some of it I've found useful as a tool, such as upscaling, but for the most part there's a lot of creative decisions along the way we want to make ourselves and not let be decided by some model. Since art is a way of communicating stories and emotions, I don't see why we'd want the computer to fill in that side of it. Love your videos, keep up the great work!
Great video, and great points all around. Cheers to the real artists!
Thanks! What did you enjoy the most in this video?
Midjourney on v6 now and it still looks the same like last time check what there prompting same stuff generic lifeless
except now v6 can prove it's a copy machine and was trained on hollywood movies. Just waiting for Hollywood to go for the LAION database and it's all over huh?
The best way to beat the Ai is to figure out to protect our artworks from getting stolen so the ai keep generating similar generic stuffs.
Business and companies would want to stand out through unique Designs, they won't settle for the high quality overused generic design.
Simple.
Exactly! Companies don’t have a brand identity if everything looks the same, do they?
Much of what is in the datasets have been revealed in the past weeks, for example Midjourney's list of thousands of artists they stole from, as well as forum discussions where they were warned against it. I hope those thieves will go down soon.
Heck yeah baby!! I want these data models DESTROYED
Oh yeah and this is just the beginning. Imagine when there’s eventually an investigation into every image? What do you think will be discovered in there?
@@TheArtMentor can't wait to see. Feels like this year will be better for us re: gen AI
It's funny, because a LOT of severely disabled people DO make art. All the time. It doesn't need to be democratized when they already do it(tho making more accommodations for them would be very good + cool) Artists will always find a way, even if they have massive hurdles. Not to speak for them or anything, but I'd imagine that it'd be deeply unsatisfying to make ai art as a disabled person, because disabled artists are driven by the same things as non disabled artists. AI art is the wrong way to help them. Generating the prompts doesn't involve any parts of the artistic process. It feels cool to see the pixels all materialize on screen, but because you're not actually making anything yourself it doesn't have any lasting satisfaction. If I suddenly lost all feeling in my hands, I'd start using my toes to draw instead. I can't pour my soul and sweat and tears into a generator. It'll spit out a pretty image, and that's it.
But seriously, I've seen seriously disabled artists who don't make particularly high quality art still find community and make some bucks on commissions. Usually it's furry art tbf
isn't art an integrative process that requires remembering all sorts of methodologies in their full along with tricks learned along the way? experience is a privileged context and proper memory too. "I really feel for you." I did a process and painted a painting of a mans face and people like it. only problem is.. how did id do it? i was under the direction of a professor. kind of teachers pet situation. failed all my other classes and that painting was 100% of the credit for the only college class I've passed and probably ever will. just those word-facts in my head.
@@AkkarisFox I wouldn't say required. Even a muddle of paint a baby smears on construction paper counts as art, simply because the intention was to create. I think technique doesn't make an artist- only desire does.
When I said 'the artistic process' what I really meant, and should've written, was 'any artistic process'. There is no 'The' artistic process. There is just the choice to create, the journey of creation, and sometimes, if you're lucky a final product. (I-- a chronic sketcher-- rarely produce a final product.) I don't think that to be an artist you have to remember any specific methodologies or even ever become aware of them. It's like what he said in the video, "we're all born artists". A baby has no clue what it's doing. Yet, it creates. I was an artist long before I ever learned 'anatomy' or 'color theory' or 'shape'-- all aspects of 'the' artistic process of drawing. I was an artist long before I even could hold a pencil. Memory and experience are privileged contexts, you're right, but they're also only an extra well to draw on. Although I've heard arguments that they are the basis for artistry, I only somewhat agree:
Art can be created even if your only context is just your last second of memory. All you need is sentience.
Have a good day/night etc
@@bzzzzzzzzzz2075 😿you said everything i needed to hear bless your heart. I just know you can tell im going through something. I'm grateful and if you'd like, just.. my painting is on my community tab. saving your reply. I dont want to forget
You are correct according to research as well. The intent of creation and the labor of it designates itself as an artistic effort. Emphasis on the labor over the idea/intent to create
Never give up your authentic pursuit of artistry and your passion 👍 any time you sit down to create, you’re exploring yourself and potential
The fundamental issue of AI is that it is self-defeating, economically speaking. The more useful and intelligent it will be, the less it will be worth for anyone. Because the more intelligent it will become, the less the human factor will be relevant. A super intelligent AI art generator available to everyone would give gain to no one, because everybody would be able to obtain masterpieces just typing prompts. The same in all fields. For now AI sucks, it's just average garbage, but should it at some point work, nobody will gain from it, except tech companies.
that's very insightful, and yet we already see those effects right now, don't we? Nobody pays anything close to substantial for AI content, especially images. How could anyone hope to profit from a system that's made to take away their own rights and products? Totally foolish
@@TheArtMentor Exactly. If you ask me, I'd say that by law every digital artwork produced by AI, whatever it may be (text, image, or music), should be forced to be uploaded to an open database, where anyone can download it for free. And it should be excluded from any royalty. Also in music AI is dangerous because people are allowed to upload AI tracks to Spotify, and earn royalties from them, stealing that money from real musicians. All this has to stop. These tech companies are profiting on artists without any compensation. Kudos for your effort in explaining all this on your channel 👏
Happy to help! I have a new video on this coming out tomorrow you'll enjoy! Interested?
I work as an artist for a small game company. What I do day to day, an AI could not replace. There is FAR too much discussion, back and forth, understanding what someone wants, understanding very abstract and vague goals and trying to make sense of them - all human things an AI cannot do. This is also present in software engineering (which I also worked as for a few years). A lot of time a client doesn't know what they want, or what they say they want is not what they need. This is because they lack the essential technical skills. Basically, if you want to fully replace these jobs, you need to recreate the human brain.
Also, even now AI seemingly has no sense of composition and design skills. It's very obvious if you're used to seeing very good, skilled art. The lack of intention (which you need a human brain for) is clear.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I’ve been saying this myself for months 💪 what do you do in your job for game dev?
@@TheArtMentor I'm a generalist, so a bit of everything really 😅
That’s so cool. What kinds of games does your studio make?
@@TheArtMentor they make strategy type mobile games :)
That’s very cool!
14:26 I recently used my Christmas cheque to buy three art books.📚😅
Which ones
My most recent acquisitions are diablo, gears of war, and hergé
Oh yeah? Which ones? I love to collect those too. What do you get out of having art books? I’m curious
@@reginaldforthright805this is awkward, I meant art guidebooks; Fundamentals of Character Design, Fundamentals of Drawing and Drawing in Charcoal and Crayon.
@@gothnerd887 nice. Well in that case I’ll recommend Cartoon Animation by Preston Blair (94 edition). It may not look it, but this is the best book on construction drawing I’ve read, from a master animator. I also like figure drawing books by Steve Huston and Glenn Vilppu.
@@reginaldforthright805thanks for the recommendation😀😊☺
I definitely can spot an AI photograph. Even if the subject is smiling. They have a living dead spooky look.
Yeah easy to spot isn’t it? Yet ai bros think it’s indistinguishable don’t they?
that screencap at 17:07 is WILD and literally my childhood art trauma lol
Oh really?? Have you experienced that before as well?
@@TheArtMentor yeah i can definitely relate it to many childhood experiences i had of being very naturally compelled to be creative and make something new and being frustrated that people would copy and truly confused that they didn't want to create their own unique thing. (To me, if I was copying someone else it felt like stealing.) And eventually having to draw boundaries to the endless "make me one!!!" requests lol.
Also I just want to say great job on this channel. :) I am probably close to your age, but knowing how young the online art community is at large I feel like you're acting as a great model and delivering clear and supportive advice which is so awesome. And mega huge respect for talking about colonization, oppression and liberation in some videos (e.g. your recent AI compilation)
I haven't watch this whole video because I'm at work right now, but I wonder if you heard the Nightshade application? They can glaze over your art and then poison the AI databases. I hope you can make a video about that, thanks man, have a great day!
Oh yes I’ve heard and been listening to how it’s going. Very interesting to see what happens!
I’m working on my backgrounds and rendering and the speedpaint helped, this video was double informative 😂
Oh sweet glad to hear! What kind of artwork do you like to make?
Awesome! Needed the boost
Glad to hear! What helped you the most in this video?
It’s probably been mentioned already, but the most glaring issue with plagiarism apps (a more honest description), is that the user is usually not a real artist or graphic designer with real knowledge and experience. Just the fact that if a piece of digital art corrupts for whatever reason, a real artist using these tools, still has the skills to produce real work with their real genuine skill, talent and experience. What is a “prompt typer” going to do? Start learning to draw and paint like real artists had to do? That’s going to take them years of mistakes to learn from.
Very true. Well said!
AI cant be Copyrighted
AI cant be sold unless disclosed on it being AI
Almost all videogame companies are drop kicking AI & even putting in the job description to NOT use AI. (Info from Trent Kanuiga)
Why do AI bros still think they have the advantage? They are without teeth at this point.
FACTS! I think AI users have an echo chamber, don't they? They all seem to think it's taking over, but what has it taken over exactly...? Cheap clients and clients, and companies that won't pay and won't be successful with AI?
@@TheArtMentor doesn’t help that a lot of the art scammers now in days use AI which leaves commissioners with a bad experience which helps them want to get real artists to do real art. So if anything it’s strengthening people’s need for real art, even if the art is of a lower standard.
Shad from Shadiversity proves that even if you constantly re-render and re-submit AI art and have the computer do all the work, the art will still look awful. You have to actually understand art to fix the issues and to not re-run it back into the AI systems. Look up “Shadiversity AI Art” he genuinely thinks he puts enough effort in for his AI images to be considered art. It’s quite sad really.
well said! Hence why AI isn't a good viable tool, and it's just a crutch that's holding you back from standing on your own as an artist
The disclosure act is doing good
I play around with AI (art and text) when bored. I asked ChatGPT for a sci-fi writing prompt back in December '23. The prompt it gave was:
_AI has taken over all areas of creative ventures for the human race. Clare must travel to the heart of the city and take it down before it destroys the creativity of the human race._
I found the prompt so incredibly funny.
(My art skills are sub-par. However I know a good portion of art is practice. Thus, I've been practicing. I still think the rough unfinished sketches look 100% better then my 'clean' lined art. C'est la vie.)
Good to hear you're practicing! What do you enjoy doing for your practices?
The best anti ai right now is Nightshade, Glaze is more of a defense agaisnt style mimicry. NIghtshade is supposed to be a more offensive tool, distorting model feature representations
very true!
Ive heard a lot of companies have been caught using it lately, since the outputs aren’t protected though, anyone can freely appropriate their results.
A race to the bottom
dead on! And how worthless are those assets?
What about the artists that have been practicing for decades and don't have marketing or sales experience? Where are the affordable resources for them to start making their passion economically viable?
Can we start with what have you been doing and why didn't that produce the success you wanted? There are tons of free resources for artists. Take my channel for example. I teach artists how to grow and succeed at their business with real advice and no fluff
As an artist, you need more subs on this channel, all of your videos that I’ve watched so far (even the older ones) are educational, funny, and you look into both sides of the issue and make really good arguments based on that! I’m gonna show your videos to other people who need to see this, especially artists that are struggling. You just earned another sub from me!
Thanks so much, and I appreciate your support! I sincerely hope those you share this with have a connection with my content as you did. What was most valuable for you in this video?
It’s honestly kinda depressing going on google images for anime art always has soulless AI slop amongst art with real human passion and talent. Good thing is however, google search allows you to filter out specific keywords using - along with the tags in double quotes. I honestly can’t wait to see the downfall of AI and it looks like it’s already inbreeding with its own data.
Honestly, with how I view it, it just encourages artist to develop their own style. Cause let’s be honest, AI art looks the same, same eye shape, same shading, same everything.
that's a very true perspective. Have you seen my video with advice on how to do this and everything AI cannot and will not ever do?
Thank you for this video, I needed this optimistic view :')
my pleasure! What did you enjoy the most in this video?
Thanks, this made me feel better
Also, your art is giving me a certain amount of nostalgia for (something?), I'm not sure what it is, but it's nice
Glad to hear, and thanks so much for saying so! I have a lot of influences from videogame illustrations...perhaps that's it?
On point 100% the way they’re already calling themselves ‘prompt engineers’ as if an actual field is going to open up for them. Why would anyone pay for something that can be done for free? There’s absolutely no value in AI that will be worth a paycheck.
Or if it were a job, where would that take place and for how much? Wouldn't it simply function like a call center overseas, where they take advantage of economically disadvantaged countries? I could see that
i mean yeah you make a sense
AI bros are not artist they more of a parasyte that feeds AI companies in exchange of using their program thats basically a service and since they saturate the internet with AI trash like a mail in spam folder they lose value pretty quickly
the artist that draws their idea they can respect and if the artwork is interesting regardless it not being the best generates popularity and thats enough to get attention to get hired to draw something cause not only style and skill associated with artwork but branding
AI bros are non of these cause they are totally replaceable since they didnt made anything themseves so they have no ground to stand on
edit: your dislikes comes from reddit from pro AI clowns btw which explains a lot
Oh really? How do you know they’re coming from Reddit?
@@TheArtMentor recognized your thumbnail on a aiwars post and them whining
Oh seriously!? Do you have a link? Lol
@@TheArtMentor probably not cause idk if i can share a link on youtube cause of auto filters
just copy paste video title and you should find it easily
and secondary that place is AI bros echo chamber degeneracy and you dont want to go there cause they repeat what all AI bros say that you dont know what youre talking about bla bla bla
you know like this
@Nogardtist feel free to send the link on my Instagram. That should be a good laugh
I've been saying something like this for a while. Some people like Shad Brooks uses it for book covers because its cheaper than hiring a competent artist in the style he wants. Sooner or later, like everything from corporate, they're going to start asking for money. Its a bad idea being dependent on an outside agency for your production pipeline. Look at what happened with Clip Studio Paint and its licensing changes recently. Or Unity and the stink it raised by trying to soak its free grade user base. Or for that matter some of the things Photoshop did to force upgrades on people by making your old files no longer be readable. (happened a long time ago, but it did happen) This is why I stick to FOSS software
Why? Nobody can put a paywall on it without serious consequences. Open source projects don't own their own code. The volunteers who wrote it do. Try and change the license without their permission and they can and will pull their code. Crippling the software. So FOSS will stay FOSS. My go to program is Krita. Also thinking of getting into Blender which has become insanely powerful.
Well said! And can we honestly say that free or cheap is best or aligned to our goals? That’s what clients and companies are already finding issues with
I watched Shad for a long while, but he made himself a sudden enemy of artists everywhere with that one video he made. What a hill to die on.
That author in particular has quite the history on Twitter. I think when it comes to work, people do remember how a person presents themselves online. Artists probably don't want to work with someone who spends a significant amount of time re-tweeting not so nice anti artist sentiments, for example. So I am a bit skeptical that 'cost' is the primary issue, especially considering they have a direct connection to a very popular artist.
If AI was so good at creating stuff, why does it need millions of human-made pictures stolen from the internet to get there?
Exactly!
You answered your own question. It's not good at creating anything; just good at mashing together what already exists.
What did Picasso mean?
He was referring to stealing ideas and techniques, not plagiarizing and pretending to be another artist, stealing their work, or impersonating another artist
@@TheArtMentor Oh I see, thanks
There is a great book your video reminded me of. 'Talent is Overrated' by Geoff Colvin
Then why do “AI artists” steal these talents for their own purposes?
Yep I’ve actually read it! Great read
Can I simply say it’s out of entitlement and envy? I spoke about it at length in my other video. Did you watch that?
@@TheArtMentor Now I'm curious. Which video do you mean specifically?
There is a lot of envy. I have the feeling that a lot of people just want to steal the beauty of life from artists, namely the creative process. And I'm more worried about that than technology that doesn't work!
Why do AI art users hate and discriminate artists but think its okay?
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whenever I see AI art no matter how good it is i do not spend even a second to look at it not because i have anything against AI art. its because i think its meaningles when someone just typed something and it came out and I could do the same
Exactly how everyone else feels about it too! Nobody is impressed with the users, just the machines, isn’t that right?
Saw most of these already, but nice compilation.
Great art, btw!
Thanks! What did you think of this was composed and blended together as a viewer?
@@TheArtMentor probably that you said many of these things before
sometimes you need to hear something more than once for it to sink in, right? lol I know I'm like that
" they are the fastfood of a fivestars restaurant " GOSH so Well said ! XD Perfect comparison ! Loved all that video, this channel deserves so much more view !
Haha thanks for saying so! If you enjoyed this, please help share and get the good word out to more artists just like you, and I hope you continue enjoying the rest of my content!
Now watch as AI bros quickly move on to another trend as soon as another "COOL TECHY STUFF" becomes popular.
AI is just the modern NFT, and thus will suffer the same fate.
oh absolutely. They're already moving from images to videos and jumping from drowning ship to burning ship, aren't they? All for an attempted quick cash grab
@@TheArtMentor So true, meanwhile I'm still riding the joy of making my cool Goku drawing that... frankly isn't really that cool but it has COLOR!
I think UA-cam deleted my comment comparing AI imaging to fast fashion. Hummm.
Really? How weird 😅
Trying to create a specific character from the face to feet and details in the outfit using ai in my experience doesn’t really work often the result is subpar and not something I thought up in my head. One example is you want a full body shot of a character using ai will take multiple generations and not leading to a satisfying result.
Thanks for the upload
Exactly! And regardless of the technique or extra gimmick, you have very little control over the results, don’t you? Ai bros can’t seem to admit that…
some ai bro are now starting to learn photobash and how to draw hand. They are tracing it from 3d model or picture of their hand, they are learning art.
That's awesome that some people decided to become real artists!
Those people-- or those of them that stick with it and develop themselves-- they'll never go back to being a prompt-bro.
I wonder how long it will take them to discover the basic Photoshop and be like "Finally! Here's the model that gives us full control over the output!!!"
Lmao@@ArucardPL
@@ArucardPL so true. I've known photoshop for years now and started getting into illustration just a while before midjourney came out. Every time I play around with a new AI tool I end up thinking "I can just do some conscious practice and do this faster in photoshop..."
@@cdewx5749 I feel very similiar to that. I've been a comic artist for nearly my whole life (professionally for 12 years) and every time I tried to get Midjourney/Leonardo/Bing something I actually want I was like "jesus... before I get it to generate what I want I could probably just draw it, even end up with some time to spare"
Now I get it. That is the reason when someone created the AI art, he would be never satisfied.
You said that AI is limited as tech. Meanwhile, human desire is limitless. It is just like filling the ocean into a glass of water.
I confronted an AI bro before. His artwork collection looked interesting, so I compared with with another AI bro. It looked the same and he was pissed.
That is art democratization for you, making such art useless. Meanwhile, the 10 percenters who real artist will get better client. Ahh I love capitalism
That’s 100% right! There’s a reason why only 1% of the population are artists, and it’s got very little to do with the end product
i mean I picked up digital art when i was 16, and I've been tunnel visioned on it for 20 years and i've been increasingly more miserable and feel very little fulfillment out of doing it course mine is self esteem issues art doesn't really flip this fullfillment switch its more of a roulette and most the time its pretty negative, sometimes there is a payout and i'll hit that once every 3 years or so.
I'm sorry to hear you're struggling with this, but can I suggest something to help you? Your concern isn't actually about your art, is it? As I'm reading this, it's more than you're struggling with your confidence and perhaps comparison issues. Do you see that as well? This is a natural effect of being an artist my friend, and can I let you know that those concerns linger in the minds of every artist you admire?
@@TheArtMentor thankyou for taking me seriously, I do not have confidence in anything I do, and as an adult I feel cheated that I never developed confidence, - I actually ended up in this Hobby because i couldn't do anything else right. I do digital art, paint, traditional 2d/3d animate it never means anything to me and i'm just running from my own stench- I wish i could just like my own work or feel fullfilled. my belief is if I did it or touched = FAILURE--- oh I don't really admire other artists, its kinda like how I'd imagine a Plumber to see another Plumber We do a job, some are good, some are bad, liars and honest ppl. but kinda irelevent to " my job" I'm hating myself for me.
The people calling artists elitist are the same people who don't care if their school has an art program. *They are angry some people have the nerve to love something they think is worthless.*
If it isn't worthless, they want a piece of it all of a sudden, but you can't just Do Art like you can go out and buy high status products to be cool. It's a discipline. And in walks AI art to make them feel like they can have the cool thing. And they are big mad that people who put the work in don't accept them.
It's a classic scenario of hating others for not working on themselves, isn't it? Well I'm proud of you for staying true to yourself!
My personal gripe with Ai art is that it has no merit, no human hand has ever touched pen to paper to make said artwork.
Exactly why it's worthless, isn't that right?
Truth is...the only real use for AI "art" is p@rn. And that's actually not a judgement thing. Every new technology finds its truest purpose, and this one found it almost overnight.
I do some adult illustration and have played around with AI tools. It's honestly bad for even that. It works if your taste is the most generic "perfect" girl just standing there or in a boring position with no emotion, but I've thus not preferred it over hundreds of adult artists I follow; even the ones who draw really simplified cartoon stuff.
From what I know from artists occupying that space, ai is still very limited in capabilities versus humans