Why AI art is now unpopular and its no surprise
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- AI art isn't holding up well, people care less about it, and Sora will impact this even worse. Learn why AI art became popular, why its popularity won't last, and how AI generative video will take many of the AI users away. Also, learn why these are good things for artists, and how you can feel better starting today!
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00:00 AI Art is now unpopular (thankfully)
That's why the notion of "quitting art for another career" is laughable, if art careers are in danger of AI, what career isn't?
I think that builders, electricians, hairdressers and so on - professions that involve manipulating real objects in a real world - are safe... for now. Robotics seem to be lagging behind right now, and are expensive, so it's cheaper to pay a human. But who knows, maybe the breakthough in robotics is an year or a month ahead, and cheap robots being able to perform any task are around the corner. So no one is truly safe.
I think a better question might be if art careers are in danger, what other career are worth it?
A powerfully accurate idea
I had to quit to become an accountant since the only art people want in a sustainable way is digital media and popular styles like anime? It is laughable considering it should be easy to replace me now with a calculator, but in the UK the massive businesses are still using programs from 1998 and cant afford to upgrade, or dont want to let machines control thier money. Eventually though I figure the only job that wont come under fire is politicians sadly, because no one wants to be ruled by a machine, or hand over that kind of power to one.
@@nobody-nk8pd That's not viable long term. The minerals for the chips are limited. At some point we'd have to turn to Space for them. Then there's the metal degradation from constant use. Ware tare can do a number on devices.
You dont put a TV dinner in the he microwave and then call yourself a chef.
Genius comparison
Exactly!
Imagine prompting a robot to play the guitar and saying you're playing the guitar. Lol, how did these people get so delusional. 😁
True facts there!
Excellent analogy!
AI art has taken over Russia, sadly. However...An issue it creates is: data trash. Like, generative AI is quite expensive energy-wise, and it doesn't even create reliable data with linked sources. It generates "cheap" data, that is overabundant (both Chat-GTP and most AI art has this problem), making it harder for people who actually need the Internet to do research by clogging up the servers with generated images. Like, as a historian, I need to know what a medieval prison cell looked like, I don't need to know what a computer thinks it looked like. I need real photos. Deep fakes are a thing, and prior to generative AI, they did require a bit of skill to create, now, the ill-intentioned people who lacked the skillset now are given free rein. Also, looking for artist, boom, I have to filter through the AI stuff.
So, overall, it makes the Internet as a whole harder to use, not easier. Chat-GTP lacks the ability to evaluate it's source, because it's a machine, not a human with thankfully critical thinking.
Honestly, the sprint to fake human intelligence and transhumanism is scarry.
Yes, it's like chat bots in an internet forum. It's hard to tell what people actually think if you have millions of chat bots in the internet talking to each other and trying to create the perception that their bot opinions are the majority. While at the same time, real people's opinions are often now censored by AI algorithms.
dude the amount of crud in image searches and pinterest is so depressing. at this point, it's safer to assume any art that does not have a clear and readable watermark so you can look up the portfolio is AI-generated even if it's not.
@@pcenero Depends, since for some artists, I do recognize their old work very well.
I was trying to study art deco style for a course and I couldn’t find anything authentic, it made everything so much harder because of this AI art crap. At the very least they should be forced to label AI things.
I dont even believe that everyone has critical thinking, so dont be too thankful
I usually don’t watch any “this is dying and here’s why” videos, but in this case I’m glad, I genuinely hope AI is just a phase like NTF’s, it’s nothing but doom and gloom and discouraging, I want to make art from my own hand not be told how “oh we’re gonna take over the world!” Ugh, it needs to stop and go, permanently, like seriously.
Thanks for this video, it made my day.
your comment made my day! I'm so glad to hear this helped you. What advice in this was most meaningful in helping you arrive at those conclusions?
The AI art I saw early on was half decent but now I go to Midjourney and most people are knocking out soul destroying generic garbage and im totally bored of it whereas was blown away with some of it when it first came out so its only as good as what people feed in. I think its got its uses for certain things but its made me appreciate real art more, same with music, some of the music it can make is good but after long periods it leaves a hollow feeling in your soul.
Art Mentor, I don’t know if you saw Pewdiepie’s video about learning to draw in 100 days, but it inspired me to pick up the metaphorical pencil (I use a Wacom) and learn to draw. It’s only been a few days, but I’m already making rapid progress on the basics.
And it’s Pewds’ video that has firmly moved me into the “pick up a pencil” camp - especially since the novelty factor of AI image generation has died down, like you predicted in an earlier video.
Comparing the progress you make over a single image to the number of completed works by trained professionals ai needed to even try in the first place really puts into perspective just how pitiful ai is at this. A single human progresses substantially faster than a computer using billions of images and the collective life experience attached to them. 1 person in 10 minutes can improve more than a computer can in billions of lifetimes.
@@nintai6656 Never saw it that way, but you’re right.
Actually yes I did, and I'm glad it inspired you!! What do you currently enjoy drawing the most?
@@TheArtMentor Faces. I’m still early in my journey, so I won’t be rivaling the late Kentaro Miura any time soon. But bit by bit, I’m figuring out how to draw faces, just as Pewds did.
@@rawlenyanzi6686
I was inspired by the same video. I haven't drawn since highschool, but as of today I've been drawing for 17 days straight while listening to podcasts or chilling to music. It's been incredibly fun. I left visual art behind for writing/video editing, and if it wasn't for pewds video. I don't think I would've started up again.
It's been sad to see, as I look up tutorials and general art videos (sketchbook tours by young people have been fun to watch). I see the dismay of visual artists due to AI art.
I, for one, will only ever support art made by humans. I hope the idealism of human-made art never dies, no matter what happens to it's commercial viability. I feel like the idealism of art is dead due to capitalism where value is increasingly becoming a monetary word, but let's not forget what Art is at its most beautiful -something rebellious and seperated from capitalism.
I will always support human artist and I will try to keep the monetary value of their work viable personally for as long as I am alive.
It breaks my heart that my husband, who knows how I feel about AI art, made his company logo from AI, knowing how I would feel about that, when he's MARRIED TO AN ARTIST WHO DOES LOGO DESIGN. I just designed a logo for an orphanage for free. I am not above helping out family when I've got the time, no less, my own husband. So why he would do this is beyond me, and honestly, it feels like a kick to the gut...
@@roberth.1201 he's not someone I want to run from, but I need to have an honest heart-to-heart with him. There is no way he thought that decision through. I had such a primal gut-wrenched reaction to seeing it, I unfollowed/unliked his company's socials.
Wtf, maybe time for couple's counseling?
I’d break up with him. Because he knew how you felt and who you were. But chose to disrespect you anyway.
That's a weird thing he did, or he has no idea of industry standards. AI for logo designing is a disaster. Worst thing ever. I tried to use multiple AI models to design a logo and ended up with me creating crap (I'm a comic book artist, not a designer. And I know how to use AI. Most of the things it generates are impossible to use because it can't reach the minimum industry standards).
Your ex did what???
Hopefully it'll sadly fizzle out into irrelevence like NFTs did. I hate the "talentless" argument that whiney tech bros use since it completely ignores the genuine improvement that practice warrants.
People say "Oh I can only draw stick figures, I'm talentless" but so could I when I started out doodling as a toddler with a crayon. I just kept drawing and painting into adult life and while it's not a job, it's a skill that taught me patience and discipline that can help in many avenues of life.
They want the benefits without any of the work. They are lazy and self-entitled brats.
It's the crabs in a bucket. Since they self convinced themselves they will never manage to become good at something (not with that attitude for sure), they rather pull down everyone else to their level to keep excusing their refusal to try and improve.
I have my own skills at drawing but I sure would suck at making music (because I never tried). That doesn't make me go use an AI to generate music while telling musicians to step aside and let me take over their job. The eventual day I'll want to make music I'll go study the basics, well aware it takes years to reach a decent level.
@deltaxcd that's why we have to appreciate the good ones more.
Btw, visual quality isn't everything. Art success is more demanding than that. My most favorite digital artwork is from 2008 for it's powerful simplicity and composition. It just stands out. And i am bombarded with flawless League of Legends art (prob the best digital artworks out there).
@@Dexter01992 Correct. They are no different than the political doomers on social media.
I have no problem with that argument, since it’s likely true. No one is entitled to make art. If you can’t make it, pay someone who can.
Every day I see more and more people just fed up with AI art. When I see it get posted in different areas like reddit, tumblr, etc, non artists will immediately downvote and say something like 'get that trash out of here!'
Sure, it was interesting to see at first, but now, ignoring all the theft and copyright issues, its just the same generic crap over and over and over
so true! It's not just artists experiencing this as well
I was pleasantly surprised at the shitstorm in the metal communities when the first major bands decided to go for AI record covers. While some bands are so big they won't suffer much financial losses, most bands rely on community support and are getting trashed when resorting to AI, ie declaring that visual artists are a commodity while they themselves expecting people to financially support their own art.
Probably in part because it has poisoned image search results for everyone, even non artists who need to find real and accurate photos of anything for any reason.
Well the creative extent of Aitards who generate "big boobs girl" isn't exactly astounding or terrific. The creative process and attention to detail, and art's effect on the subconscious psyche will always beat out commercially pumped out truth-gore made by the machine.
@@dendroslime2473Sooo so true ! I feel it personally. It really feels like absolute nuisance when you’re looking for real materials !!!
I create inspiring videos based on real lives and this AI crap in between is messing with my search results because - it’s fake and I don’t want fake stuff in my real life videos !
10:00 This is so important. I'm not an artist but I am a writer, I've had so many Ideas that seemed good when I thought of them but I realized they were bad upon expanding them. I've had idea for stories, characters, and universes that I never wrote down because as much as I liked them I knew I couldn't make a good story out of them. When one doesn't take the time to think through their ideas they can't see the flaws in them.
There's the saying "you have to fail 99 time to succeed once" but it should be "you need to fail 99 time to truly succeed". There are people who do manage to succeed their first time, there are people who live in denial of their failures. By failing over and over again before one succeeds they learn how to deal with failure, how to move past it, how to learn from it, and how to make failure into success. Those who never fail, or living in denial of their failure never learn these. You need to fail to truly succeed.
Thanks for sharing your sentiments on this! There is a lot of fear and commitment avoidance on the part of these ai users, and why they're not doing anything with those products, wouldn't you say?
AI bros with their cheap DLCs : LOOK! IT'S UPGRADING!! IT'S THE FUTURE!!!
Me with my pencil and sketchbook : Nah I'd win
Meanwhile image generation has been largely the same looking for almost a year without any significant upgrade, all homogenizing into the same-looking results, right?
@@myemodiaries901 it's called "stealing" not ripping and to do that you need to have the experience in the field by trial and error and learning art theories etc
by generating AI images, you don't become popular: you make the AI engine you are using famous. Which, you also pay for to use. For images you currently don't even own
precisely! And therefore how is it a tool when you're just a tool for its own design?
and don't get me started on ai-bros who spent enormous amount of money (and i mean it) on the hardware to generate hot boobie ladies at home for... whatever reason.
Love this, all those "creators" who thought they are so special for writing "unique" prompts are going to be quite disappointed. lol
why they should be disappointed? there is nothing unique about prompts it is juts alphabet soup that sets the general feeling of the image
@@deltaxcd yes, nothing unique at all about their "unique" prompts. Neither is anything unique about the masterpieces AI puts out. My point was that anyone and everyone thinks they are an artist due to AI art. But it's so overdone now and so obvious, that they will be quite disappointed not to make a penny out of it.
I've seen people who complain about others "stealing" their "unique" prompts. "Unique". Literally just some boring "art" of blonde with big boobas.
Absolutely, as if language alone makes great art, right?
Even when it comes to retouching ai images, how can you call that your work?
The big misunderstanding here is that fact that AI generated images are called art in the first place. It creates illustrations. It has no other purpose than to represent something else. There is no broader purpose. There are no feelings conveyed. It was never a threat to real artists.
It would be more fair to call them images or pictures rather than artwork, wouldn't you say?
Have you seen devin AI? The programmers that laughed at artists and told them to learn to code are now crying about how they're gonna get replaced and 'oh god this is how the artists felt.' As someone who's into art AND tech I find this ironic... at least it's making them more sympathetic, which is a very good thing for the public's stance on AI.
lol really? No I haven’t heard that story but please do tell!
@@TheArtMentorIt's basically an AI programming bot that's scaring progammers. If you watch fireship's video about it and look at the comment section it'll be rampant with pessimism and tech bros having the same reactions they mocked artists for having.
Yeah i saw the comments there and it was hilarious. Part of me wants to feel sympathy for them but its hard when these are the same mofos telling us to adapt or die.
@@saima8809f*ck em, it was just a fad to them anyway. They were never going to really do anything with AI art, just like they never did anything with NFTs before it and dropshipping before that. They'll move on to the next grift, fail and move on to whatever grift comes after.
Money scrounging bottom feeders the lot of them
It was kinda funny seeing all the tech bros saying how they were going to replace artists, because nobody supposedly cared about artistry but only about the material pixels on the screen. And then when it turned out that people do care and they fcking hate rote materialism in art, the tech bros got all mad at them. Who could have predicted this in a society where 'Hollywood is soulless' is a common complaint?
So true! Art is a human product and interest, so how can you feel bad for them trying to exploit artists for profit? But the real culprits are the developers, not the users
Ai "artists" are self-defeating, rarely accomplish anything they promise thankfully, but let's not forget how many people were cheering for the death of art.
that was a really nasty side effect, but also don't forget how many of those people even cared in the beginning. Those anti-art sentiments are only perpetuated by the spiteful, and there are more art-appreciators in the world
The hatred some people have for artist was something I never expected to see, it was almost fascinating to see.
@@demondeity9816 True. Before this AI thing I experienced some of it from conservative and religious people. I didn't know the hate was this widespread.
@@TaTa-xd5ytBeing religious myself, seeing people disregard "love thy neighbor" as much as they did was heartbreaking.
@@demondeity9816 I almost quit art completely because of the hate, from people that you just *know* would act completely differently if it was their favorite musicians or actors being replaced by AI. Absolute hypocrites.
It does concern me that big entertainment studios are playing with the idea of using AI to create movies whole cloth. If they go through it it, the back half of the 20's are gonna SUCK entertainment wise.
If studios start making movies entirely from AI they will be putting themselves out of business in the process because anyone can do it. Why go to the cinema or pay for that streaming service when you can prompt your own content? Some of these execs really aren't thinking very hard.
@@ItWasntAPhase This is my worry
@@ItWasntAPhase yeah, this sounds likely. But ... And here's the big but. Without customers where are they? We have to boycott it loudly.
@@doodlegame8704There is a silver lining here. With the ability to create videos becoming wholesale and accessible, it would force the film industry to go back to what really makes movies great: good writing. The quality of writing is the only thing that would separate a hit from the rest.
Well everything post-COVID has been pretty awful hasn't it? haha. Look at Marvel for example
You are 100% correct. I finished watching a video flip thru showing a coloring book called Shipwreck the "artist" has 12+ coloring books all generated by AI, but none have any creativity. The prompts are creative, but the output isn't. They did on on cowgirl boots with flowers, and you get 50 pages of a play on maybe two types of boots in Same angles, random flowers, all just random generated and same. The shipwreck book contains generic beaches with random boats and ships ran aground, all from front angle. That's it. None are underwater ship wrecks, no random debris with a masthead or images of anchor or hull pierced by a boulder nothing creative to it. All of that "artists" coloring books are like that, one prompt numerous generations zero thought, zero creative time spent, zero creative nor interesting twists on themes. You are right!
That type of analysis is spot on! It’s just unoriginal, isn’t it?
The basic definition of art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. AI prompting may cover imagination but lacks the skill. "AI Art" should really be referred to as "AI content" since by definition it is not art.
But even imagination is a very complex topic when you dive into it. It's not just images, it's perceptions, feelings, and interpretations of human experiences. Have you ever heard that before?
Ai has no more imagination than auto-complete, or than a madlibs game. It just auto-completes.
No longer bothered by AI here, even if I'm not the best artist... at least I know I have a circle of folks that enjoy it.
If AI were to be perfected tomorrow, and I could get exactly what I wanted down to the pixel, I would still prefer real artists like you. Something about the knowledge that a piece was filtered through a real person's personal experiences and unique perspective makes even human drawn stick figures ten times more appealing than AI art to me.
The world desperately needs more people like you two.
I’m proud of you for embracing your identity as a true creative 😁 keep that up and keep showing off how awesome your work is!
Contrary to what some critics suggest, AI does not "memorize" and replicate existing art. Instead, it operates through probability distributions, a mathematical concept that allows for the generation of new data without directly copying from its training. The actual "stealing" happens when the prompter instructs the AI to replicate a particular artist's work. On a request by request basis the AI searches the internet for reference. So even if we trained an AI on only art in the public domain, which Adobe Firefly is trying to do, the capacity to steal still exists because the user just has to type instructions, "in the style of so and so." So if you put your work on a site like Pinterest or somewhere where the AI can find it at that moment then it will steal from you. So if you want to safeguard your work you have 2 options. Remove your work from the internet, or... stop crediting your work. Whatever it takes to prevent the internet from finding your work.
Knowing that there are cowards who can't bring themselves to pick up a pencil gives me a huge confidence boost in my own art.
After seeing Sora pretty much all of the people I know were more sceptical than excited. Aside from the entertainment industry being able to cut corners there are just so much more negatives to this tech than positives:
jobs are taken away (artists, actors, camera crew, manufacturers of professional equipment, etc.), films will all look the same, AI porn of popular people or your neighbours, legal cases will become more complicated on both sides (either creating false evidence or claiming real evidence to be false), scammers will find many many new ways to scam and we get a huge flood of undercooked piles of dogshit content from people who have no artistic vision.
Thanks to Social Media we life in a time where everything has a very short breath. Keep up the hype or people forget about you. People are now aware of AI. You can´t surprise them anymore because they know what is possible. Now as the hype waters calm down more people start to look beyond the surface. They start doubting it.
What´s funny about AI not many people talk about is that it has already surpassed the point it has been at it´s best: the random results you get from the earlier models actually had a somewhat artistic feel to them with partially interesting results. The better it now gets in creating "the perfect result" you command it to do the more stale and uncreative it becomes. That´s why the job of the "prompt artist" companies are now hiring for are already obsolete. You can already use full descriptions in some AI models. Why paying someone for typing in a prompt for an image you want when you can do it easily by yourself?
PS: Concept Art for instance won´t die out. People always look at the final pieces of Concept Art- not the process behind them. Real Concept Art is thinking about the different elements in the world you are creating and make them work. Good Concept Artists also know about industry design and product design to be able to give everything a function. Yes, AI can create amazing looking worlds but there is no thought behind them. Just random shiny noise that is made to distract from it´s hollow shell.
That's so true. Too many people looking at the product without any conceptual understanding of how that product came into existence, isn't that right? Goes back to my exposure argument, right?
Funnily enough, every day I veer more AWAY from technology. I'm honestly considering getting one of these retro style clam phones just to prove my point, and I still keep paper copies of every document, every receipt, every piece of work material, and I have so many cookbooks as opposed to looking online that the shelf is getting dangerously close to collapsing. I even end up going possibly over a week without even peeking at Twitter (given it's owned by Smelly Boy Musk, that's one good reason.)
good for you. i keep seeing more and more people thinking about quitting the internet & technology, i hope this will become a trend.
That’s a great way you’re keeping what’s important to you alive. We all have to keep our passions going in some way, don’t we?
Dude go for it. Due to my current situation I can't get a flip phone just yet, but I will be in a yearish myself. I've talked to neighbors that have gotten rid of their smart phones and streaming services and they seem so much happier. They get out more and interact more
the only reason why AI art was taking over the internet when it first came out is because modern art is a bad joke I remember this video from this guy entering this fancy expensive museum and encountering drawings that looked like they where made by a 5 year old child im not trying to deffend AI as a matter of facts im pretty much against it but damn if a banana taped to wa wall can be considered an art piece then everything can and that haves to change
What I don't understand is why I see nobody throwing shade at the developers of OpenAI, THEY are the ones trying to burn down creativity. Getting angry at the code won't do anything, the code doesn't have feelings. I am NOT saying to go dox them, that's disgusting. I am just saying to throw some blame at the creators of the problem, Artists should start asking them directly "Why do you hate me and why are you trying to put me out of a job?"
Their answer are most likely going to be "We don't hate you, but we think we can make something that provides a better service then what artists currently provide."
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 or they want a easy way out ? or they dont have the patience to draw themselfs? i dont like ai bros
@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou You do know that op was talking about the developers of ai and not just average users right? Even if you don't like ai I doubt you can call coding it the easy way out.
Did you make it to the part in this video when I directly addressed that? I literally called out how AI's hype has only been in service to corporate interests, funneled down and through its userbase being oblivious and blinded to that concern
ironically, they probably don't pay for artwork, nor do they employ any artists, so how can they make that assumption? lol
I love art. I however, wasn't drawing my whole life like you hear so many say. I was inspired to learn how to draw. But a friend who was an artist who had been drawing since she learned how to hold a pencil. I loved her art and how she was able to create a story from her mind onto paper with imagines. So, at the age of 12, I started to learn how to draw. Before then, I could only do poorly drawn stick figures.
Well, fast forward some years. I am now 17 and had been drawing non-stop. My non artist friend whined to me one day about how she wished she had just a fraction of the talent I had in my pinky. And how lucky I was to be... "Born" with this ability... I have also had other people start telling me how I was "gifted" and "talented" in art. Even when I try to explain to people how this isn't true. That I was inspired to learn how to draw and before then could only draw stick people. I would get told that I still was naturally born with the gift. That I just didn't "tap" into it.
I hate the word gifted and talented. It takes away all the hard work people put into their skill, their craft, and just wave it all away with. You were born with it. I'm sorry. No. Not a single person is born able to draw or paint well. They spent their time drawing over and over and over again. While other kids did other things, like play outside, play video games, play with their toys, and etc. Artist spent their childhood building and working on their craft, their skill. Anyone can learn how to draw. The issue is, most don't want to put in the time it takes to actually learn and get good at it.
your story is very inspiring for everyone reading it! Also, very commonplace in my research. Many great artists never fell into their craft until later adolescence or even adulthood. So what happened there if talent was real? Did it take a nap for all those years? lol
very ai-bro way of thinking, they always claim that we artists were born with the talent and that we somehow gatekeep art making from them. I feel sorry for those people, the idea of learning a skill and making an effort is probably beyond their understanding. i wish you all the best on your art journey!
i like to used "skilled" as a compliment, i prefer it over gifted and talented cuz it adds more emphasis in the fact that what someone does is a skill and they worked really hard to get good at it :)
Talented and gifted are the #1 words to both belittle someone's skill, and discourage others from even trying.
Wish it could’ve gotten unpopular before scraping got normalized
Unfortunately, very true. But that also provided the catalyst for this rebellion against AI and corporate interests, didn't it?
I recently started working as a graphic designer in the industry. My bosses basically force me to use AI and it feels beyond soul crushing. All my ideas that do not include AI get dismissed. After hours of generating and photoshoping (basically fixing AI's mistakes), my visual still is not approved and the marketing team generates the most basic looking thing and just goes with it. I see AI as a usefull tool in adobe programs, but so many companies now want to make AI their new 'look' and basically just throw their brand identity away.
ouch, that must sting huh? What do you think they will do when they realize the growing disinterest and distaste for ai imagery?
I usually tell the client that trying to use those generated Images will make their brand appear cheap, amateur, sloppy, and disrespectful to any audience. If those are what they want to represent to their audience then they can feel free to use Ai generated trash.
They will probably just chase the newest trend in advertising and act like nothing happened. Their bottom line is profiting, not making something meaningful... unfortunately.
very similarly, I do the same and people like what we make by hand much better in the end. Especially over time. Only cheap clients that don't want to pay are falling into that, ever notice?
@TheArtMentor that would probably be the case, but I work as a salary employee for a company. I was very eager to start working there because it's the second largest bookstore in my country. Though, they still try to cut costs as much as possible.
I started my journey jan of last year, I started because after I used ai generative images, I was SOOOO frustrated with the results. I abandoned art for a long time, 20 years or so, because when I was a kid due to religious beliefs, they forced me to be right handed, so I got demotivated and quit. But after trying so much this technology, for months, telling myself I have no talent so there was no way I could draw, I just exploded when after hours and hours on end it didn't come up with the result I had in mind, not even close. That's because I knew what I wanted to make, I had an image in my brain that I wanted to have, so I decided "well, I'm gonna do it myself" and started from scratch, posting my journey from day 1 to today, and honestly, that's the best thing I ever done. My art is good? hahaha nope, but IT'S MINE, I put the hours in, I made those mistake I did that, not a machine that stole art from people and remixed them together.
I'm starting to get decent and honestly, that's the best feeling in the world, when you see something and can somehow draw it. Put something in there, a piece of you and nobody can take it from you. That's something these "if-else code" image generators can't ever do (I refuse to call it AI because it's not AI nor is art). I haven't got any commission yet and idk if I'm even ready but I'll be collaborating with a youtuber that I really like and honestly, that's something I couldn't even dream to do before starting this journey. If a dummy like me who couldn't even draw a stick figure before can draw a somewhat human figure now, so can anyone else, something that pewdiepie himself showed to everybody
I'm glad you picked up art again. It takes time but like a muscle you workout it gets stronger and as you flex those art muscles your art and skill will get better.
@@Apheleion I hope so ^^ sometimes its hard to see any improvement but it's been fun so far. I need to flex those muscles a bit more as well!
Talent is actually detrimental to artists. It’s like how you lose interest in easy video games faster than you do hard games. The challenge is what keeps it engaging. People with talent rarely bother with art at all because it’s just boring for them. Good luck and remember that the only thing you can’t do is convince yourself you can.
it's sooo refreshing to see someone who's switched from generating to really making art. wish you all the best on your art journey!
@@amekamui_ any time you try something new you will be your worst critic. Give yourself a break you are learning a difficult skill. Don't be too hard on yourself and look at your mistakes as an opportunity to try something new or go at it from a different angle.
We'll all soon get sick of the repetiviness of AI. Especially in art. AI will be ok for mundane tasks in a business environment. Personally I can't stand AI art, it takes everything away from what art is supposed to be.
people already are sick of it all, have you noticed? it's very easy to spot it and unrelatable
AI generated images are just for fun imo. I entertain myself creating them but I don't like how they've flooded art spaces and google image results.
Fr, I used to use google for reference images, but recently it's been flooded with AI images, making it harder to find what I'm looking for.
@@rat_in_a_bucket I installed Ublock origins on Chrome, and there’s an option where you can filter out anything you don’t wanna see by pasting a link into the filter. I’ve filtered literal HUNDREDS of AI websites from my Google searches and it’s definitely helped out a lot. It takes a bit of time as you do have to copy&paste all the links individually, but you can actually look up the links online that was compiled by a tumblr user
that's such a great idea! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the hot tip!
have you begun adding "-ai -prompt" into your searches? that helps a lot
Anybody who says AI art will replace artists have never had a commissioner breathe down your neck about small specific details.
LOL great example! Ai users can never hope to gain that level of specificity, can they?
They will never experience the pain of "ooo can you draw me?" And then snap back with an image of someone preg-
(Jk it was a good friend who asked me so i just drew her in a way that suited her)
if a youtuber pumps out the same video for a hundred times, no matter how good it is, they will fall into the abyss.
And how many AI generated videos and thumbnails do you already see on YT not getting views?
@@TheArtMentor i barely see AI generated videos lmfao
@@TheArtMentorYou should see those “Make $100000 a month on UA-cam using AI” kinda vids. It’s basically AI-generated content teaching you to make AI-generated and you can take a look yourself but they’re honestly laughable
So AI artists are artists. Sure. Okay.
If you take a digital artist, and remove their technology. They're still an artist who knows the fundementals and can create art from anything around them.
If you take an AI "artist", and remove their technology. They can't do anything. Anything.
The program was the artist, if anyone at all. If we invent true AI with sentience, even then the software will be the artist. Not the loser typing in prompts. lmao.
exactly! This proves how the user isn't the creator but the medium, rather than the ai being the medium, doesn't it? AI doesn't need humans to create and contains the ideas, while the users are the ones being used to create ideas, right?
I think talent exists, but a good artist is made up of lots of exercise and self-improvement rather than talent by itself. I think that "talent" is simply a personal inclination towards a specific task. If you don't have this inclination you can still be great at the thing through exercise and study, and if you do have this inclination but ignore it (=never put it into use), then it won't grow with you.
Indeed. Some can have inclinations towards specific skills but that doesn't make one automatically a master at something.
People in last years seems to have forgotten an important life lesson:
"The difference between a beginner and a master is that the master has failed more times that the beginner has ever tried."
AI dismiss that with the idea that if you're not immediately great at something you should just give up and use it to skip everything that gives a meaning to whatever you're creating, and that's immensely sad it's given so much importance by its users nowadays.
Sadly, I fear AI was the unavoidable outcome of so many years of "here and now" culture.
Many people have lost the ability to be patient and find value in a journey, they only want to get straight to the result because that is all that counts in the toxic society of social media. Many people, especially many younger people, have fallen into this trap because from a very young age they've been exposed to the uhealthy side of Internet culture where something can only classify as 'good' if it gains traction and virality. All that counts is the feedback of strangers who vote via likes and followers, and not the journey you take with yourself as you get better at something through time, working hard but also having fun with what you do.
It truly saddens me the most when I see beginner artists being discouraged by the "likes culture" and let the illusion of AI "Art" suck them in, in the hopes of being 'seen'.
@@Dexter01992it doesnt help that alot of people who dont understand the creative process feed into this idea. People bash beginner artists far too often when they post their work online. People can really truely be disgustingly ignorant towards art and the creative process and it really shows through in the development of ai generated imagery as a whole to be honest
I can agree that there is a spark that some have to like something, but what if I told you there's a lot of research proving talent as a concept doesn't even exist?
@@xxAryAryxxi like your thought of "here and now" culture a lot. it's something that i've been strongly feeling since the beginning of ai hype. people value an otput, and not the process, and people want it as fast as possible. maybe it's capitalism to blame. this whole thing turned me to spirituality and eastern philosophies and made me more human-oriented. hopefully more people will come to the same conclusion.
I really hope that the AI that creates images is just a fad, because they have discouraged me from drawing, I still do it, but not as much as before
I feel like it's discouraged me from wanting to appreciate 2D art, because I never know what's made by a real person. It's like if someone invented fake bananas that were hard to tell from real bananas, and there were no labels saying which bananas being sold were real. Would you want to eat any bananas?
Yah... this why i quit illustration and went to animation
This is why I will always do traditional media
In a weird way, it’s encouraged me to draw out of spite.
@@EidoEndy That's the spirit
Did everyone hear about the "Willy Wonka Experience" that flopped miserably lately? Everything from the promotional art to the scripts for the actors was generated by AI. People HATED it, immediately on arrival. It doesn't matter how "pretty" (at first glance) you can make something appear. Making something entertaining, meaningful, or enjoyable still requires human effort. This is something the kind of person that the tech attracts just... is very nearly entirely incapable of. What's more, becoming reliant on the tech doesn't foster those skills either. I think AI "artists" and "writers" will find themselves very quickly incapable of producing anything that really wows people, because they don't develop or nurture those more adjacent skills that aren't even talked about. Those things that AI can't do by its very nature. Lateral thinking ability, depth of creation, and fan/consumer engagement.
I heard about it now here is your single jelly bean and a quarter cup of lemonade. 🤣
No I haven't heard of this! I need to research this, but I'm also not surprised lol. Where did this happen??
It was in Glasgow Scotland, and honestly, it's helped to quell my fears of AI so much. xD If this is the kind of slop AI bros are churning out, nobody has to worry.@@TheArtMentor
@@badviper2059 reminds me of that AI smoothie shop in California that closed down almost immediately after it opened
I like that in music circles, AI art being used on album covers really quickly warrants terms like "AI garbage" "AI slop" "not listening to this. put some effort in and commission an artist"
This is especially true in metal and punk circles where detailed artworks and D.I.Y. aspects are vital to both genres respectively, and merchandising is heavily reliant on displaying said artworks
Ive seen some music videos fly for some reason though. An unfortunate case of people de-prioritizing visuals because in the digital age music videos are seen as just a promotional tool and not its own distinct complimentary piece of art
Luckily, it seems AI video is primed for an extreme backlash the moment it will start being mass produced and implemented in media. Good news for everyone!
Those reactions to those covers are deserved, aren't they? It's pretty despicable that a music artist would want major recognition without also recognizing their fellow artists, isn't it? Very hypocritical
AI "art" has become so cringe and frowned upon, that even AI bros are hiding they used AI.
they know it's wrong deep down, don't they?
To all of you AI dudes out there.
I just wanna say, I get you. I get that from the moment you can make something visually appealing you feel great and it makes you wanna show your stuff to the world. And I know what it's like to feel the painful waves of backlash and hate comments about your stuff. Heck, most if not all of us artist have experienced the same things.
But using algorithms that deliberately takes from other people's work without their permission is not the way to go about it. This has been done by some artists before AI grew popular and they've been called out for their misdeeds, most at least. These people have either taken credit for art not done by them or altered an already existing artwork to only parade it as their own.
Now, I've met some absolute assholes on both sides of the spectrum. Whether it's AI Artists or Digital Artists or even real life Artists. There are those who say the most patronizing things and correct your every move on how proportions are made. Some can be so rude that they make us want to quit art for good.
From the prompters I've met. There are those who do NOT make money from their prompts but simply for relatively harmless content. Then there are those who are completely egotistical. Those who say that "Oh these Brushguards are so selfish and thinks that they are better than us" or "They are just jealous of our art". These guys are missing the whole point with drawing art. It's not supposed to be restrictive. Yes, there are a few bad eggs here and there saying the same for AI prompters (myself included). But Art is supposed to be the complete OPPOSITE of restriction.
I can go on and on why I myself don't like AI imagery but my choice of words are rather self-explanatory. What I can say is that AI have it's potential. But what I will say to all of you who constantly use prompts is that once you learn how to draw by hand, tablet or paper doesn't matter. You are basically more in control than letting a machine doing it for you. Whether it's just a simple smiley on a paper or a hi res Artwork. Once you take the reins and draw for yourself it becomes so much more liberating and even more so after finishing it.
Thanks for sharing your perspectives! I think we see eye to eye a lot huh?
Talent and skill so often get conflated unintentionally. People use them interchangeably, argue that the term they used was the correct one without really understanding the difference. I think that's where the issue lies.
"Talent" can be nothing more than a person who's mentally wired in a way that they can more easily absorb information for a task. Basically, they have a 'knack' for it. Some people have a talent for math. Some people are talented at managing tons of people, or even running businesses. Some people have a talent for sports.
That does not mean they don't need to work super freaking hard to get anywhere. When you're impressed by what someone is capable of, you're impressed by their skill, not the talent. The skill is honed in the applied learning that got them to that point in the first place. The skill is the biggest, most major contributor to success. Someone without the "talent," but have the passion and the drive, can make that irrelevant. Maybe it takes them 3 years instead of 1 or 2 to get to the same spot as the person with a knack for it. But that in of itself should not discourage anyone, because any person with the talent can still lack in passion and motivation, which makes them easy to outpace. And that's IF it were a competition.
It's not a competition. It's not artist vs. artist. There's only one you, your vision is important. It's artist vs. AI. There is value in your genuine art. But there's no value in AI art, and it's invading our spaces. It's us against AI.
Too true! Thanks for sharing your insights 😁
Very well said, this is how I like to explain talent vs skill.
People who use AI art are the real failures in the art/creative world. And they know it too. Which is why they react like infants when called out.
Unfortunately so, and it's kind of sad that to see how their anger comes from a sense of worthlessness, isn't it? I feel sympathetic to that, which is why we need to help them realize the harm they're doing, don't we?
Yes, I hear you, but it is a tricky thing. Further exposing them and their harm, even to themselves, might not be useful. It might remind them of their worthlessness.
I remember Dr Marshall Rosenberg, writing in his book on nonviolent communication, explaining that worthlessness and shame are linked to the idea of not belonging or being unworthy of belonging - that is, a deep sense of belonging to life, to your sense of self. I should try and dig out that book!@@TheArtMentor
The only problem is that not only is AI art unpopular, is that all painstaking art has become unpopular. There's just such an overstimulating glut of imagery that anything done well will be prejudged to be generated... The one thing I've noticed is that very rough, raw crude outsider art has seemed to have gotten an uptick in popularity.
Want to get views and likes? Draw like you did in kindergarten :)
perhaps true for some, still true for others. No guarantee that social media fame will ever come, will it?
Art equals creativity plus craftsmenship. AI art might require some creativity, but no craftsmenship.
Also, generative AI is largely rejected in academic circles.
Also, AI being actually intelligent would not make it more ethical. Because if it was, what on earth gives the right to a company who functions for profit to create intelligence ? Oh, right, none.
Like, many scientists have fantasies of let's say creating a life mammoth, and as much as they would want to do it, but they refrain themselves, because they believe it's unethical. First of all, it would be a very crappy life for the mammoth. Same thing with human cloning, and it's often meant for organ harvesting (yes, some are considering a human being to be raised like a pig for slaughter). Most medical professionals do not care for such thing, since as much as they would need more organs, killing people for it...No. Also, donner anonymity is creating the demand and opportunity for atrocities to happen, and for future ones to happen, perhaps with a more futuristic approach.
Playing with conciousness seem to be a typically -sshole billionaire thing, many of them are also engeneers.
This, for-profit mindset is also ruining the world of engeneering, because it does create this demand for many products that are less functional.
Like, a slim and a skinny jean require the exact same amount of fabric to produce, because to make it form-fitting, darts and cuts have to be made into the plain rectangle so that it's form-fitting. These little cuts end up in land fills. So in terms, of production cost, it is the same. The big difference is that being so form-fitting puts the fabric under a lot of tension, causing it to wear and tear faster.
No, seriously, ethics must be put back into research, otherwise we might truly face an apocalypse.
Technological improvement is only good if, and only, it is tempered by ethics. Like, at first, the Industrial Revolution didn't improve the life of the average Joe before some laws were put in place to limit exploitation.
Yes, it's especially wrong for them to use copyrighted art as part of their input data.
@@wolfrunning1 I soon it needs to stop now, to set a legal precedent that we do not tolerate science without a consiance, neither socially nor legally.
Ok side question; why would you clone an entire ass person for organs when it’s much easier and morally better to just clone the organs?
@@cosmicspacething3474 Mad scientist logic. Like, to care more about if they can do something than if they should.
@@cosmicspacething3474question... How is it easier tho? I mean an organ has specific shapes and functions. cost and ease-wise, it's simply easier to clone a baby and put it into a host mother with minimal equipment and maintenance instead of a purpose built organ incubator. plus, you get a whole set of organs that you can harvest instead of just one. And no, i'm not saying it's acceptable, just simply asking how.
Some intellectual like the (i forgot who the name of the guy) midjourney CEO (i think) said something like "it's easier to apologize than asking permission".
what was ai art for why did they need to make ai art??? it was to replace artist that was its whole purpose
AI art was a byproduct of AGI research. In order to teach a machine learning program what an object is, you have to feed it thousands or even millions of examples so that it can recognize the object in any context. AI art spun out of that research and did the old solution looking for a problem bit.
@@richbailey819 I am sorry but I do not want to be a human in that one pixar movie called "Wallie" or "Walle" where everyone let robots do everything for them
Agreed! Not a very enriching life experience is it?
Karla Ortiz is as much as a rockstar as people who keep things positive in the art space like yourself. Keep at it. I concur with your points of view. The corporation analysis is key, and most people glaze over it. In the end all the computing power needed for generation goes back to either a service or an expensive hardware provided by very few companies (aka NVidia)
Indeed, we need to see the developers as the key aggressors in this conflict, don’t we?
Its cheap and has no soul and its disgusting. Art is made by one's hand and hard work, it takes zero effort to do AI art. Similar to putting precooked meal in the microwave. You're not a chef for doing that, you're not even a decent cook.
Well said!
Ai art community is awful, they literally bully actual artists when they share their sentiments againt ai(as if artist don't have any rights)
Oh god, so true. Have you seen my video where I disprove all of their claims?
about art influencers.... they did scare people and made the art community disjointed until Steven Zapata made a video telling everyone it will get worse unless if we made our line clear .
Yep he's another great supporter of us artists! In the end, alarmists didn't do anything productive for artists, did they?
Fear mongering has always been a fantastic marketing scheme. There's a reason political groups, governments, corporatuons and propaganda campaigns use it so much.
People genuinely pay more attention and change their minds if they feel threatened by something. Art influencers used fear mongering as a way to get clicks off of artists who felt threatened by AI or didnt at first but did after seeing their scary titles and thumbnails.
@akeelyaqub2538 yeah I’ve unfortunately seen that too much
@@akeelyaqub2538
(the adapt or die ) Ai bros did try their best but it was for nothing Ai is no longer something artists fear and thats for one reason most artists are united against it and we know those ml models need the works of artists not the other way around.
To paraphrase Bill Burr If I see a helicopter crash into a tree, I don’t have to be a pilot to see that the helicopter pilot fucked up there.
So there is 0% chance of an helicopter malfuction? or that someone other than the pilot fucked up? Like a mechanic forgetting to put back a screw?
To what are you saying that in reaction to?
This conversation got convoluted fast lol
To say there's no such thing as "talent" is kind of a lie. There is definitely talent. It exists. But it's way different than what people may think it is. What some call "talent" is mainly the advantage of grasping certain aspects of art faster. Recognizing things naturally easier. Seeing things easier. Being able to connect what they see with what they need to do to reproduce it faster than the average person. But that still doesn't mean you're the second coming of Leonardo da Vinci right out of the womb. You still got to work hard even if you have that advantage. If you don't do anything with it, if you don't work hard, anyone can surpass you easily enough if they just put enough time and effort into it. So talent says nothing about how sucessful you might be when you pick up a pencil. It all comes down to hard work and dedication. For all of us.
How do you prove talent? What proof do you have?
@@TheArtMentor The existence of geniuses is proof that talent exists. The existence of incompetents is also proof that talent, or the lack thereof, exists. Talent is just the sum of the factors that predispose someone to be good or bad at something. As a more physical example, if you have horrendous hand-eye coordination, you're going to have less talent in most sports than someone who has never had difficulty with the same tasks. And, if you've ever worked in education, or been near different children while they learn at all, you can see that different children learn different things with different degrees of difficulty. That's "talent".
You can disagree that talent is everything without outright rejecting the concept entirely.
What if I said you’re confusing skill with intelligence? How do you confirm the existence of an innate stronger ability to create better art than 99% of most people? What proof or sources confirm that beyond your observations?
Btw, just in case you’re new to my channel, I’ve been working on public education for over a decade and worked with thousands of artists in person 👍hope that provides some insight and credibility!
@@TheArtMentor I'm honestly not even sure what to say to that. Depending on the skill being discussed, "intelligence (re:the specific skill)" and "talent" are almost synonyms. And I can't tell you how to confirm the "existence of an innate stronger ability to create better art than 99% of most people" because I never made any claim that such a thing is directly quantifiable.
Talent is literally just "how easy an individual finds performing or learning a certain skill relative to other people." It's a word used to encompass an abstract concept, a description of outcomes.
I'll go so far as to say this: if you believe that two different people can learn the same thing using the same methods, but one person finds it easier than the other, you believe that talent exists, whether you enjoy the word or not.
@DFAnton so where did you derive that definition of talent?
The only good thing that has come from AI art is the art community coming together to fight this abomination. Hopefully we all use Night Shade to accelerate the process of untraining AI models.
Yes that's very true! A welcomed unintended effect of this, right? And now we'll have video content creators coming out about this in the near future as well
And don't forget: we have tools such as Glaze and Nightshade today.
It's a matter of time before LLMs lose their own capacity to replicate styles acquired through website scraping.
and regulations (hopefully all around the world) coming!
So true!
I have a feeling that companies like Midjourney are not going to end up being art focused. The CEO said in one of their weekly calls that he is thinking about selling or renting the model for different industries and judging by how much they censor the model, they will most likely sell it to China.
It was never about art from the beginning, was it? It was always about the money
20:35 agreed! many important processes could be accelerated, in fields that actually need it. Like medicine. I don't see a reason for art to be accelerated other than corporations making more money... which I don't see as necessary.
So true. Who in the artistic fields asked for this tech or needs it? Nobody with any chops, for sure
Somebody once famously said "90 percent of everything is crap" and _AI generated images are no exception._ How many times do you iterate over the same prompt, how many results do you sift through before finding something "good enough"? Probably more than 10....
I've actually experienced a few cases of spending _more_ time prompting an AI for something specific than it would have taken to actually draw it myself and get everything right all at once.
Same here! And it's also still inferior to your own authentic vision, isn't it?
I loved this video, you hit the nail on the head here. Sure AI art is cool as a novelty, but the fact that people are actually championing it as a replacement for the skills and careers passionate people have worked so hard to obtain is completely crazy.
and those championing AI have no experience or success in art to begin with, so why are the blind leading the blind?
@@TheArtMentor Exactly, it's like a restaurant customer trying to train all the cooks.
People behind the Ai art movement misunderstand art. They say it's esoteric and elitist when it should be democratic. But that's not how art works, much less any specialty.
Art isn't esoteric. We have art school and art teachers. (I'm a music teacher.)
The elitist argument is to disparage true artists, who yes, may have more inherent talent than another. But that's just how it goes. Practice with what you have, and keep making great art.
Exactly mirroring my thoughts! And who on the development team of those companies are artists? Oh right. None. So they’re just guessing and creating harmful propaganda aren’t they?
Because the AI will generate ANYTHING without actually understanding the prompters vision, means the AI has no vision whatsoever. It has no artistic ability. Even with these fancy AI videos, it takes them almost 2 weeks to even generate a 1 minute video and so what they generate the video? It doesn't mean the video will fit the creative needs. And with creative needs, a human will STILL have to edit the footage for marketing and product purposes, a human will STILL have to quality check the footage. This seems like a whole bunch of laziness trying to be monetized. Lazy lazy lazy! They're doing all this work to make this "profit". As someone who is an engineer as well as an artist, there is physical limitations of a machine. NVIDIA'S graphics cards are not strong enough, Sam Altman wants some ridiculous amount I believe 7 trillion to hypothetically make AI more "powerful". 7 trillion to make AI more powerful? And when they replace all of us where do they propose they will gather this data to replace us from? We've already seen the consequences of this AI garbage content, entire websites are being ransacked with robots. This will just lead the already enshitification of the internet into an even bigger crap storm. A bunch of low quality content being boiled to the top for the sake of laziness and false "profit" Every time I see AI generate content being pushed, the comment section is flooded with dis-satisfaction and distaste. AI should be a tool for us artists, not meant to bully us and threaten us into taking lower wages. Now that AI exists, us artists should raise our prices because we demand more in a saturated market filled with trash.
Very powerful sentiments! Thanks for sharing. It's always and only been for corporate profit, hasn't it?
I can’t wait till we start developing ai CEOs😂
That will get their attention huh?? lol
I stud animation at DAE, a lot of our asignments for 3d moddeling / pipeline allow for the use of a.I. as "concept art" which really disgusts me, I started the school in hopes of getting a better understanding of the entire industry as a concept artists in the making. I don't know how to protest my schools use of it. I've already heard horror studies of people HAVING to use AI for a sculpting asignment and getting failed because they interperted an artifact by the ai differently then the teacher (the teacher is one of those AI snobs) it just saddens me that this industry preparing school litterally namd "digital arts and entertainment" has such little regard for the integrity of human art. How do I fight back?
This is becoming an issue with institutions that I'd like to address in a future video. You and your classmates are right to feel that way about it. You feel like it's taking away something important, right? I totally understand. How to fight back is hard bc the school think using AI in the curriculum will help people want to attend the schools and therefore earn more profits. In actually, they're hurting their departments, aren't they?
Heh, a very good point about the user actually being a tool for machine rather than vice-versa.. was making a similar statement in my video (that AI-models are not tools at all), but your take on it has hit home even better)
It's interesting to see how the AI model and developers are the true beneficiaries of user input, rather than how we are the beneficiaries of our artistic exercises, isn't it? Yet AI has promoted that skewed vision. Btw your artwork looks dope on your channel!
Its just depressing to see alot of yt vids teaching people how to make thousands of AI generated musics, arts and animes within just a few clicks and then make tons of money.
What they dont realise is once everyone starts doing then no one will earn eventually, while tons of resources, calculations, energies are gone to literal waste.
Generative AIs won't evolve the art industry, it will devolve, permanently. Nothing will be admired if anything can be generated.
From "How did you make it?" To "How did you generate it?". Damn sad bro
exactly! It's always about the money isn't it?
You were ruthless on the AI bros, and i respect it.
Glad you enjoyed! They get away with a lot of unsubstantiated claims, don't they?
After the AI hype finally died, the internet will still be a landfill filled with these garbage AI generated images.
lol people are still buying the cheater tool ai generated images its like nfts
Perhaps, or like the old DA dank art images locked away somewhere from searches lol
I find myself looking at it in bulk, not caring about the prompters. I get sick of a few AI art I get sick of them all.
It's always a disappointment when you see an image was AI, isn't it? That's what everyone is experiencing nowadays online
I really do think Ai generation is going to be a product of it's time. A failure. Despite working hard to be a cartoonist. I am not really afraid of it. You know what is the first step of something being considered a failure? Controversy and Ai art has that in spades! The controversies are endless. From unethical uses and all of that. You know what else adds fuel to that fire? Unpopularity and I noticed more and more people are opting out and criticizing it. Another sign of a failed product? Being broken and unusable. Guess what delivers. That's right ai generation. Not only you can't copyright it but the generators itself is a pain in the butt to use. It's literally a game of chance to use. You never get exactly what you want and you can sit there all day wasting your time mindlessly typing prompts and pressing generate over and over. Only to get something that is not your vision. Someone can defiantly get frustrated and never want to use this thing ever again. The biggest kicker is that ai is simply unable to innovate. In fact were already seeing the downfall of Ai. I saw non artists criticize not just the practice but how bad these images look. Just gonna kick back, relax, put some sunglasses and watch this mess fall.
I cannot agree more. This is why I'm proud to continue doing art by hand, because there's something about the hand of the artist that touches your soul.
@@EdwardDavies1994 Exactly! Ai isn't art. There is not work in it and no human element. It also harbors back to the limitations of Ai generation being that it's unable to innovate. Ai can't make a new art style. Artist are able to easily. Ai spits out the same messed up fingers, waxy, ugly, boring thing. What's going on with Ai like the numerous controversies, ethical questions, growing outrage, and overall lack of quality is gonna make this a failure and nothing more than a lame product of it's time. Just like NFTS which also had similar issues.
totally agree! It just won't ever be able to deliver what its product offers, be it prompting or img to img, because that takes cultivated vision and skill, doesn't it?
exactly. I've spoke about this in my previous videos as well on this topic
@@TheArtMentor Thanks for exposing the truth about this garbage.
Could you address the misuse of ai promoted by people pretending to be artists? I have seen 3 very dangerous “practices” that people need to be aware of. 1 learning from ai. (This is like learning medicine from an adult magazine. You are only learning to make mistakes.) 2 making references with ai. (A reference is what you use to confirm the accuracy of the information in question. Ai is fabricating information. It’s just a glorified toddler but without the potential and future.) 3 generating concept art with ai. (This means your “concept” isn’t copyrightable and thus any further use of it is just a derivative work of non-copyrightable content and is thus not copyrightable either.)
I don't think anyone can learn from image AI because it is not even reproducible by human being, at best you can learn from text AI
Using Ai references is next to impossible because Ai is very limited in what it can produce Like I needed to add footprints to the snow , and that thing totally failed to do the right job.
Concept art is actually the trash which will be totally replaced by AI and it is copyrightable if you make changes
derivative works are copyrightable, why do you even think they are not?
the changes are copyrightable but not the image itself. If the idea is not copyrightable because it was made by ai then no extension of it is copyrightable either. Derivative works are copyrightable if you own the copyright to the ip but you can’t own generated concepts so you can’t copyright the derivative works. It’s like if you made a fan comic of Superman and tried to copyright it. You can copyright the parts you made but the idea itself you can’t. Ai can only produce public domain content. Even outside of that, there is a 0% chance any company on earth uses ai for concept art because it creates too much risk of expensive lawsuits. The only “people” who will use ai are e-babies who want to get rich quick without working. The moment they get sued they will learn that reality doesn’t care how special they think they are. Anyone who thinks ai has value is brain dead. A tool is only as valuable as its operator. The more the tool does for you the more worthless you are and by extension the more worthless the tool is. My advice to ai addicts, get real intelligence not artificial intelligence.
@@nintai6656 Yes changes are copyrightable but nobody has original image without those changes and even if they had it there is not much use from it. you can generate your own if you want. those changes are what has most value
I dont think ideas are copyrightable at all, but either way it belongs to humans who wrote prompt, as you can copyright your prompt.
I think that lawsuit think is just baseless scaremongering and it is not about getting rich. nobody can sues you over AI art and win if you do it properly.
the only reason not to use AI is because it sucks now, AI can't replicate its own image and it is not useful for anything but backgrounds and fillers. In my opinion all this complaining and scaremongering is juts free advertisement to inflate AI bubble because even most advanced AI like Sora is actually horrible when you look at it in more detail and its usability is marginal.
but hopefully in the future things will improve
So I have made a prior video exposing AI user account impersonating artists. Have you seen that? Also, I'd be happy to make that! That's an interesting idea.
I'm feeling exhausted because I've always wanted to create a AAA game by learning everything from drawing and animating to 3D modeling, music, and coding. I thought that even if I failed, I would still gain many skills. But now, it feels like AI is taking over art. I understand the potential benefits, like turning dreams into movies or games instantly, but this future seems so close, and I'm losing my ambition.
AI is a technology not a stupid trend like bitcoins, technology is improving rapidly not like marketing, faster than I expected, and it's still accelerating. I studied AI a bit to make games and have been following its progress for years, but I never thought it would advance this quickly. AI isn't a passing fad like Bitcoin or NFTs it's been with us since the first PC was created. Its just.. why now?
I'm not going to stop working on my projects or stop learning, though. It was my childhood dream to do something I enjoy, like writing stories, drawing, creating, and experimenting. I'm just a bit tired because the future seems so bright. Too bright for me.
I hear your concerns, and may I ask, what do you think is really triggering you about this issue? Honestly I hear similar stories a lot, and it's never actually about AI art, but something more. Have you seen my video on AI art and mental health? I think you'd enjoy it and learn something from it
@@TheArtMentorThank you for your understanding. I think what's really triggering me is the speed of AI advancement and how it feels like it's overshadowing all of the time and effort I've put into learning and creating. It's like I can't keep up with the pace of change, and that's really discouraging.
I have watched your other videos, and they really did help me to understand that I shouldn't just sink into the emotions and fear towards possible futures. I should keep doing what I enjoy because if I let myself sink, I'll just keep suffering from overthinking instead of actually doing anything I love and end up burning out.
So, yup, your advice has really helped me a lot. Thank you. ^ ^
The craftsmanship of art is part of what makes consuming art fascinating. Knowing it’s not from a humans creativity and personality makes it significantly less interesting.
Mashing up datasets based on keywords just doesn’t hit the same as knowing a flesh and blood person made it.
so true! It's completely devoid of value at that point isn't it?
AI Art is good for only 2 things, memes and quick ugly UA-cam thumbnails. THATS IT! This idea that you would throw in a couple phases into Chat GBT and it would spit out a fully realized Graphic Novel or Movie, is just silly!
Well said!
I just hope we dont end up living like Wall-E people 😂
Only if we keep up spreading the truth about how harmful this tech is can we avoid eating through fast food drink straws lol
AI art just looks horrible. Honestly, its the human feeling and "mistakes" and human intuition of what something ought to look like that makes give is a real feel, gives it emotion.
no argument there! lol
@@Joyscp999 because it shows an actual human intellect and skill in using human created instruments to create that art. AI cannot think or show human emotions, or display a "soul" or inspiration like a human creator can. Human art is a reflection of the lesser powers to create that God gave us when He created the world. Beauty is an objective thing (even seen though a subjective lens), and it can only be reflected by human beings! Even "mistakes" show this created process.
Don’t bother arguing with the ai bro there. They’re just angry at everyone in the comments, fighting with them all one by one lol
@@Joyscp999 Since always, and God communicated with us through both nature and divine intervention in human affairs. BUT I'll NOT waste anymore time replying to you or arguing with you because I have better things to do, such as studying for my examinations.
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Don`t know about everyone, personally I do not want waste time by watching AI generated crap. Would be nice having some kind of blocker for chrome to block AI generated content.
Totally agreed! Who will care enough about the product or “creator” ?
People never liked it and the only use for AI art is to make the most racist memes you'll ever seen. xD
unfortunately true sometimes
I hate ai. But i also ignore it. Work on your work, your art, your craft. And let the unethical ai artists impress themselves. Shame them when it comes up. But otherwise ignore them and invest in yourself.
Did you make it to the part in this video when I also spoke about the high road failing artists as well? I agree with your sentiments, alongside action when people feel comfortable speaking up. How's that sound?
@@TheArtMentor I think ai is simply forgery by theft. If you train it with approved, isolated imagery - it is still forgery. If it's in broad use - it is theft by 2 billion images.
If they were charged a mere $100 per image - it would be $200billion dollars. If it was $1000 per image, it would be $2trillion.
I think they should be hit with earth-shattering financial burdens, as well as criminal convictions.
I think action should be taken. Massive action. If their crimes stand, I don't know how we make sense of any other financial crimes, let alone intellectual property. Shouldn't they all be open to forgery, theft, or being broken and ignored? A poor dude forging a check for $50 will get hit harder than these guys are for committing the world's largest financial heist imaginable.
Ai is a national security threat (and international), a national financial threat (and international), and an existential threat. It is as dangerous as cloning, designer diseases and nukes - if not more. Nukes don't have us questioning reality and humanity.
I think it should entirely shut down as an enemy to humanity.
I think those using it should be shamed. There should be a terrible stigma and embarrassment in using it. If not criminality. It's unethical. And if anyone using it was LIKEWISE potentially liable for the criminality or the $2 trillion in damages noted above - I think it would vanish overnight.
But as an artist - I have to just work on my art.
And if we're so shallow that we will allow this level of financial and intellectual theft to occur - what can I do?
If we're so scared and soulless as to approve of it's ethical trespasses... what can I do?
If we succumb to the scare tactic of "adopt it or fall behind" - rather than seeing it as NOTHING more than a sales pitch - and that adopting it IS falling behind - what can I do?
I'll make my art.
And is soon as it goes online - ai can ingest and steal it too.
But I won't use it. I won't use ai. Not for ideation or anything else.
And my energy is going to go into my art.
But if someone asks me? I'll unload on them all the above ideas. It's unethcial, it's criminal, it's dehumanizing, it's dangerous, and it will make all art and artists worse, not better.
But my energy has to go into becoming better at art myself.
It should have been obvious to them all. There's way too much supply, no demand. Even high tech imagegen can't change the rules of supply and demand.
Yeah and that’s never going to change is it? Look at how ai users flooded every platform trying to get a sliver of profit and not making any. Have you noticed this too?
This video is a real good white pill for me. Thank you.
You’re very welcome, my friend! What was most helpful for you in this video?
Is talent something a person is born with? No. But talent is a tough thing to pin down. IMHO, the sentiment of talent ends up being correct after a certain point due to ancillary and tertiary circumstances beyond rigid structures of practice, routine, repetition, etc. For instance, what is it that has made someone like Michael Jordan so great for decades among so many others who are/were exposed to just as much desire, structure, coaching, ability, training, etc.? Is it something in formative years developing just the right neural pathways? Is it IQ? Is it the ability to compartmentalize stress, life, anxiety, rumination, etc. in all the precise moments that count? Is it a way his brain was structurally formed in the womb (that is to say, something natural) that made him superior (or "talented")? How far back must we go from a person's resulting work of perceived talent, and how many angles must we consider to distill talent down to a knowable set of factors that can be replicated among a majority where all relevant things are equal to start? And where all things aren't equal up to a certain point, what must be corrected for, what's involved, and how long does that take? How many branching paths of consideration does that then open up? Can we all be Artgerm without having lived his exact subjective experiences?
Anyway, I agree with the overall sentiment that talent isn't a specific thing where you're either born with the ability to do something or not. I think there's a bar most people can reach that most others would look and conclude, "that person is talented." Like you said, that's just a subjective observation. However, I feel the hallmarks of talent actually are present in those who demonstrate immense skill gaps between themselves and most everyone before/after who, themselves, are clearly very skilled ("talented"). And to be clear, I mean that as something closer to objectivity as opposed to subjective observation (i.e. someone might have seen a Bob Ross painting and thought it was talent, only to then discover his entire show was about teaching people that what he did was easy to replicate with time, practice, and knowledge alone -- though that doesn't account for the eye he had and ability to conjure up his works from his mind [something that can also be taught]). It doesn't have to be a myriad of complexity, either, though. Maybe it all is relatively simple in the grand scheme.
All that said, I wholeheartedly agree that talent needs to be redefined in the collective minds of those it hinders, resulting in imposter syndrome, never trying, crippling self-doubt, etc. But I don't think a grossly idealized perception of talent means there aren't natural factors at play (even if that just means how a particular individual's brain forms in the womb and grows from its subjective exposure to the natural world) when you reach a certain upper echelon of demonstrable skill.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Can I simplify it into one statement? Talent is to you only impactful to the extent you give the concept power over you in either extreme. How’s that?
I'm partly glad I stuck with physical pencil/pen on paper art...
Yet even those images were used on AI training, weren't they?
@@TheArtMentor Fucking Instagram, et al, etc....
@@TheArtMentor If was not my stuff, then it was millions of other social media users, etc, and I expect most TV and movie people are enraged by Sora too (and besides which the near perfect photorealistic 3D CGI fidelity can be potentially highly dangerous and ultra invasive with warping reality).
If anyone else wanted to look it up. He's saying "Blooms Taxonomy" I had to turn on the subtitles to get it. Good video. 'Tweakers' is hilarious and perfect.
Thanks I’m glad you concur! Have you encountered people attempting to tweak artwork a lot as well?
Hope this phase will pass sooner so artists can stop accusing each other of using AI as well, also that companies can no longer falsely advertise their service (IFKYK 😜)
oh man that's been awful, hasn't it??
Entertainment companies switching to AI and laying off a big part of their workforce is my current worry. I'm seeing less opportunities even for mid-level artists/creators. It still might take a while for them to realise what a bad idea relying so heavily on AI will be though, but here's hoping things will improve sooner than later. For now I'll just focus on growing my own career as an artist.
Big companies think they will be able to exploit AI to make infinite content with a fraction of the cost, but they do not seems to understand that it only brings them down to the level of smaller studios making use of AI as well.
I won't be surprised if eventually we will see studios opened by a cooperative of artists who strictly forbid or limit the use of AI to focus on making quality creative content through expertise, hiring specifically people with genuine art knowledge, juniors and seniors, to make slow, but meaningful gems that outperform the 10.000 a week movies/games their ex employers are vomiting out and not making a dime from.
As a metaphor, a car outperforms the speed and endurance of a human dozens of times. People still go watch a marathon and they want participants to not cheat.
@@Dexter01992I think that the best AI tech will be out of reach for average people and small studios. The large corporations/studios will see to that by throwing their money around. Gatekept for the elite
I addressed that in my previous video on this topic, did you watch that one too?
Those predictions and more are exactly what I spoke about in my previous video! Did you see that as well?
@@TheArtMentor Hey Sean, I was going through your previous videos, though I can't seem to pinpoint which one where you address my previous concern (I watch all your videos but some things do slip from my memory 😅). But now I think I get the situation better and I'm working to put this worry aside. I'll keep looking though!
I honest to god can't stand the AI from 2020 onwards as a whole because the 2020s AI we're showing is literally the AI we had in the past for decades but it's just easier to manufacture and produce.
Also, I hate AI image generation because it's main point was to make concepting easier. But every use case I've seen artists use it for (And myself included) hasn't really improved our work flow. Plus 90% of artists don't use it in their work flow at all. Since it's not better, faster, or more efficient then what we do now.
It reminds me of a new diet that doesn't' work for most people. But works amazingly for a fraction of people.
yeah can we rebrand this idea that it's supposed to help your work flow? That's really just for non-artists who are afraid to commit to learning art, because if they did, they'd realize how much better their own versions would be, wouldn't they? Also that's why the AI user base will give up quickly
I'm 16 and i feel like my future is being taken away from me. It's depressing to say the least
I understand the sentiment, but did you learn the real source of your insecurities after watching this?
It's not artificial intelligence, it's artificial imitation.
dead-on accurate!
@@TheArtMentor More stupid really. The word artificial already means the exact same thing as imitation. Imitation intelligence and Artificial intelligence are the same exact thing.
This was a really interesting and well-thought-out take. Also I just wanted to say that your art is gorgeous and the speedpaint was a joy to watch. Hope you have a good rest of your day!
Thanks so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed! Which of these points did you enjoy the most?
Since the legal system can't protect my work from AI Algorithms I've been forced to resort to magic (I'm a witch so I can do that).
In three days time I will cast a spell on my channel so that if any of my work ends up in an Image or Video Generator the company whom the AI belongs to and it's creator will be cursed; everything that can go wrong will go wrong, they will see me in their nightmares and it will all culminate into total bankruptcy.
Please teach me the ways lol
Too late with the curse. AI CEOs are already Incels and want to take out their pain on humanity.
think the reason why ai will not replace human art is not because it couldn't but because humans ENJOY making art! there will be some type of movement in order to keep promoting human creativity. It'd be very dumb to let a robot do what you like to do. Ai is for what you DO NOT like to do. Like if AI could reproduce for us are we going to give up sex?
Very true. Did artists ever ask for this tech? Nobody seems to say so, and hence why artists aren't embracing it
Why would people buy AI art when they can just enter their own prompts?
Exactly. Isn’t it self-defeating? Lol
I'm too tired at this point to write anything else but I just hate AI art. I'm sticking to drawing things myself. The satisfaction in the end is nothing compared to just generating.
very true! True enough to keep going
What source is there that an AI model can improve on it's own output? If there is any paper on that regard, I would like to read it.
It can't. Since it's just lossy compression. Each iteration it "trains" on its own slop it gets worse.
That's the hard part. They're only written from the perspectives of people in that field without any exterior fact-checking or peer review
@@AlexW1495 That is what I've learned based on the papers I've read about training AI models on AI created content. As such, I was rather surprised to hear someone suggest models could learn from their own output.
People love to watch other people create things. There are so many UA-cam channels of artists, carpenters, metal fabricators and so many other skilled people creating and sharing their skills.
AI is just boring and the same all the time.
very true! And what is there to get attached to from an AI image or user? Their viewer base is just trying to figure out how to steal their ideas and do what they are. No loyalty there
I know we're close to AI being able to convincingly replicate speed paints and process videos. And in probably not so distant future, hooking it up to a robot to make it draw/paint something. But after it loses its novelty? It's no longer going to be impressive or interesting.
We're not impressed by calculator doing math. Or a printer for printing. A kettle for boiling water. "Yes. It did the thing it was designed to do. Well done."
Unless you have special interest in one of those appliances then idk, maybe someone out there does clap and cheer each time their toaster successfully toasts their bread.
super predictable honestly, I knew ai wouldnt "take over the world" because its just a gimick honestly, nobody cares about ai other than tech people, drawing is natural and everybody feels way more better when they make a decent looking drawing compared to generating some anime image (sadly i saw an ad where a kid was shown to use ai to generate some images rather than drawing, like bro).
as great as this is, still wont stop more slop from being produced and splattered across the internet, ai is so quick that enthusiastic people will out produce work. I honestly think ai is a waste of energy and puts unnecessary stress on the grid, yes the grid improving is great for everyone and thats a gov problem, but ai is just useless and takes way more energy, atleast evs are usefull
I've looked at some images that are AI generated,and all i can say they look so monoton having the same gesture and posture,i bet the prompter can't even fix that,since they only have little to no knowledge on anatomy and all those stuff.This situation really is just about technology meets human stupidity.
most definitely
fun fact, Most AI engines Dont need you for the prompt ! in fact some of them are designed to Change your prompt to create better results in secret ! sometimes they add multiple lines or sentences to your prompt in the background too. that means the "prompt artists" dont really do anything that involves artistic expression. and are essentially being babied by the AI engine in the background.
Edit : 16:21 sorry but this point was a bit iffy. AI companies Do give you rights to your image generations. BUT they Dont give you ownership of skills or the AI engine. now here is where that gets actually scary, they are trying to do the "boil the frog" strategy that is the silicon vally mindset. they will get as many users as possible and kill alternative industries by being cheap and convenient, then when they reach critical mass they will suddenly take away your ownership and start charging you way more money for the AI engine. that is their grand plan. make you addicted then jack up the price.
This is nonsense. they do not change you prompt as there is no benefit from that also normal people do it on their own GPU rather than using lobotomized and censored corporate ai which refuses to draw white person and makes nazi soldiers black and asian only.
AI is free just download and use it without any limitations and censorship
Very true on the creative end. On your other point though, it’s pretty clear that ai users can’t own anything according to US law at least. They can only own edits, which is basically worthless. Can I offer another supplemental explanation to yours as well? What you said is dead on, but worse, ai companies SAY you own the images, but that’s just a way of promoting their harm rhetoric aligning ai image creation to that of human creations. It’s all lip service
@@TheArtMentor yeah you repeated my point. i am saying that AI companies dont care what you do with your generations. they know they Own you because in sillicon vally there is no product, the customer is the product. not to mention how much they control your ability to use the tool. i am sure you heave heard about the scandal with gemeni AI being very ra2izt no matter what prompt you gave it.
Just a reminder, a person literally beat Tetris, a game said to be impossible to beat. So if you're afraid that AI would overcome humans, remember that humans are just slower, it doesn't mean we can't do things better than AI could.
Do people still go to libraries to find an answer, or do they just use google?
For the most credible information about certain subjects, absolutely, those are in books. I mean unless you want to know if cows have friends or mundane information. Libraries and books are still relevant. Why do you ask?
Don't call it Art😩. It's not art. It's an image.
I agree, and I don’t call it art either 👍 just using the term for recognition and broad appeal for understanding. How’s that? Sound fair now?
@@TheArtMentor oh, don't mind me, brother. I was saying that to the AI bros who are calling it art and themselves Artists. Even though they probably don't even know what shapes are and how they are used.
haha all good my friend!
Don't be a defeatist but don't be complacent either. If you want gAI to largely go away, the best way to do that is a legal requirement for mandatory watermarking. China did this already and it's being discussed in US legislative committee.
Did I ever say it would go away tho? It’s already here. So then the only hope would be radical restructuring and regulation. But that requires critical consciousness, doesn’t it?
This is not only such an informative video, it's also very grounding if that makes sense. I stumbled across this video because I was stuck in a spiral of existential dread over feeling replaced by machines, and watching this really helped pull me back to reality. It was almost like having someone sit me down and give me a bullet point list of why everything's going to be alright in the end. Thank you so much for posting, it's given me the boost of hope and inspiration I desperately needed to keep creating!
I'm also thrilled to see you here and to hear how much you enjoyed this video! Definitely don't give into the dread, okay? Nobody can stop you from creating except for you