How AI art is destroying schools and art education
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Now AI art is weaseling into schools, preying on young children and young adults. Pushing propaganda and poisoning their minds, AI art companies have no shame, do they? In this video, learn the secret agenda behind why AI art is being pushed in schools and universities, how artists are reactions to AI courses, and what you can do to shut it down now.
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00:00 AI Art is destroying schools and art education
Art schools are generally not very good at teaching art or getting an actual job in the industry. Im not surprised they are jumping on the AI train tbh.
art schools are exactly that. there to teach the fundamentals of art not to make you megastar artist or get you work, that's what the business departments are for. :P
My local art college is eliminating *drawing classes*. But big deal- the output of that school was never impressive and serious artists don't go to art school anymore.
@@Harquebuze bloody shame. get rid of the fundamentals. just switch it to a business program. Whats a serious artist?. all the artists I know are moma level and don't consider themselves masters.
@@DrBananananananananananananana half the time they don't even do that anymore. They waste your time on stuff that's far less important for an artist like mathematics or science. Yes I know those are important things but at a super high college level? Not really. No artist I know has ever had to solve for x in a complicated math problem while drawing or use the quadratic formula.
The “career” school I went to scammed me. I wish I went to college instead.
i am going to add that AI art is also ruining references and stock image sites for photobashing. i keep getting bombarded with AI crap when i try to look up pictures of things
I started adding "before:2023" when searching for references, it will only pull up images prior to the rise of AI images. It's a fix for the short term at least.
Have you seen Pinterest? It's a tragedy.
so true! I'm planning a future video about this. Interested?
@@TheArtMentor that would be a great video. but i think you should upgrade that to a comprehensive video about how AI /automation / cheap shortcuts ultimately hurt your skill progression as an artist. because they just do. how can you learn to be a better artist if even your inspiration and imagination comes from copying how an AI would do it ? not to mention the obvious ways these tools make you depend on them before exploiting you
Ikr? Was looking up pictures of people's palms and kept getting ai garbage where the palm is the same color as the rest of the skin.
I prefer using the term AI image generator rather that Ai "art" generator. Since these programs don't really make art.
Could use GI, generated images.
fully agree!
Can we make it a trend not to use the word "art" when we pertain to anything made by AI?
Interesting. Maybe an A.I. will someday say “I’m not an artist, I’m a silicone collage illustrator”.
yep except for comics because the art is artist inserting a story they wrote into it.
Art is all about discipline, study, and practice. Talent is honestly nonexistant. Those who value easy way outs will likely quit if they don't see the instant success they want. Even though AI art sucks and is a massive scam of cheaters and plagiarism, I don't think it'll be the death of creativity because so many people learn versatile and wide reaching skills while working in the creative fields. It's just unfortunate that so many tech bro grifter scams like NFTs and AI are pissing in everyone's pool.
Only communists don’t believe in talent. It offends their sense of universal equality.
Very true, I agree with you, my friend. Can I also say that if AI scares off anyone, then they would've probably quit anyways? I'm not happy to site that, but it's the truth. Sticking with anything is always more worthwhile than trying to stick to trends or quick hacks
This exactly. My "talent" was when I was a kid in school, who draw slightly more accurate pictures than others. And I haven't been the best in class even, there was about four of us, "talented" peanuts. The only difference was, that about 12, most of my collegeues gave up on drawing and I didn't. I remember the time, when my school friend, who I always admired, since she had better drawings, cleaner, more confident lines, came to me for a sketch. Cause I got better since almost all my free time I was spending reading or drawing.
@@Wydrolak talent is how fast you learn, your imagination, and your ability to do things that transcend learned competence
there are talents... gustave dore was able to make good portrait with no reference as a kid. don't extremize things, we are not all the same.
same here in eastern europe where teachers kinda encourage students to explore AI nonsense
or they check if they are not cheating cause its no better then copy a classmate homework
also for AI bros lurking cause youre all predictable enough just do things for real
i understand that barrier of entry is usually a problem or having weak equipment but weak equipment makes you adaptive which means you actually are learning and gain some pure experience that cant be bought or shortcutted
I've noticed most of the AI bros are either really young, or just unscrupulous scammer types looking for quick money. Listen, neither is going to work. Anything that's too easy has no value, like imagegen. Anyone can type in some prompts with no effort, therefore, it's not going to have any value. It might for a little while, but anything that's too easy, it's simply never going to be worth any time or money in the end. The hard things in life are the only things that are worth it, because very few people are willing to do the hard things. They inherently have value.
@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS i proved you can copy paste someone comment regardless of context and shove into a program that will randomly generate something no matter how much times you reroll
it wont be identical same random seed but its proven that human creativity has some level of precision even if its random and even if its abstract and looks like paint diarrhea theres somekind of purpose somewhere
i let ideas come on their own or the idea needs a tiny spark and i imagined a finished detailed painting
now the hard part is taking the vision and putting on a canvas cause it mutates the same rate you imagined it and whatever you had in your head instantly turns into a reference
now AI bros showed some comic they copy paste from somewhere else granted these things happen cause meme nature
but be able to copy your own imagination to smallest is not the same as what program outputs cause you have actually zero control of what it randomizes
which makes AI bros more like tech demo testers then anything
and AI spam is theoretically infinite and limited at the same time
cause it depends on existing drawings and cant make anything new or original and if it tried it would go back to a pixel noise or blank image cause machines has command paradox while human beings dont
while human imagination is beyond infinite but what we value is their idea and the effort it took to pull it out
and on regular drawing regardless if you use a pen or a mouse you have total control from start to finish
and if you reach one limit you push till you reach a new one so it goes pretty much forever
even in photobashing that i also dislike you select images to manipulate
AI can Never Replicate Human Creativity, unfortunately Tech Bros are way to Smooth brain to even try it, its either just them being lazy or its flat out for Money, that's just the Simple Truth with AI Users/Tech Bro's and their excuse is just "Either Adapt or get Left Behind" which is stupid because this isn't "adapting" as they say, its just De-Evolution towards Laziness and and there is no other excuse for that.
Hell I Read a Comment from a guy saying he was 74 or 75 years old and a Artist, and he was happy for AI and doing the same Adapt or Left Behind bullshit excuse, thinking back to that now there is another option for that guy, Retirement, if your at that age where art is getting Tiring you need to Move on, not Embrace Something that's killing art, The thing that you spent 90% of your years on learning, that your throwing aside for Junk from People who are only Desperate for Money but don't want to learn anything or sink in the time for it
Its Sad Schools are Dumbing down to these levels, it makes me feel like in the next 40 Years lots of the OG artist are gonna be gone for these Lazy, Money Desperate, People who will just make Art another Soulless Job like any other Job, and that what most of us Artist Don't want but what a lot of AI Bro's/Tech Bro's wants, a Dystopian Art Future where Money is more Valuable then the Art that People make
Anyways if they are going to play the "Adapt or be left" behind crap then ill give a message that should be said to them too
"Either Pick up a Pencil or a Pen, or Get Lost and Look for another Job"
@@primus0348could you please clarify the part about the 74 year old artist? Maybe your comment got cut off at the end
@@A-yc2ni it was a very short comment from him, but what i said was basically everything he said in that simple comment, i don’t really remember what video it was but i think it was mostly on a video about AI Art being on Etsy, if i find that video ill link it in this reply, but he is somewhere in the comments
AI art is literally "When everyone's super, no one will be."
Yeah everyone loves that Syndrome quote don’t they? Although it should be said that the entire philosophy is a delusion right? There’s too much nuance in art to be copied, but let’s let the ai bros figure that out the hard way lol
@@TheArtMentor Yup, I think it was you that said it best in a video I saw, that what makes art important isn't just the big decisions made in each piece, but all the tiny decisions that are made. AI art will never be able to replicate those small choices needed to create art, which is why even if it pumps out a DaVinci level portrait it will still be worth less than the drawings of a kindergartener who is more passionate than AI could ever be.
Perfectionism is the death of art.
have you noticed that flaw in ai images as well?
The school system is part of the big money/tech etc monopoly, it is manipulated from above. It was just a matter of time appering. You can also observe this through Adobe's behaviour. It did the same and now they are the industry standard and not because it is so good. Premiere pro is just one exampe of this...(sorry for my strange english it not my primary language )
nice example
Adobe is a great example. Most of their software they acquired. Their primary job is marketing and not improving the actual program.
@@LillenArt2 I started working in Photoshop in 1996 - When it did not even used layers - and I have realized over the years that the software actually goes backward - They take a fantastic program and strip pieces of it away and make add-ons - slap a new logo on it - and then all of a sudden new software.
That's why you switch to Affinity Designer instead of the monthly subscription scam that is Adobe.
Oh youtube, an ad for and AI art app on this video. Is that irony or a troll?
oh no did they do me dirty like that? lol
@@TheArtMentor UA-cam do shit like that all the time, it's absolutely garbage at recommending appropriate ads to videos.
Like the youtuber who made videos criticizing internet coaches, only to have his video flooded with ads from internet coaches selling their courses.
The only irony is that companies keep thinking people looking for art related channels such as tutorials and blogs want to see AI, while it's definitely the exact opposite and it fuels the hate for it even further. It's like I'd look at gardening videos and get ads about making money quickly through cutting and selling trees.
Too many times I look for tutorials on how to draw/3D model certain things and get an ad telling me "start profiting in art with AI!" No, guys. If anything, your program would completely destroy both my creativity and interest in what I do. Also not everything about art is about making money, while all they do instead is implying you should *sell* the stuff you make with it, which says a lot.
@@Dexter01992 Also just keep on telling - do not recommend that channel.
I will say two things.
Generative Artificial Intelligence as it has come to exist will threaten to compromise democracy, critical thinking and knowledge forever.
Artists go on a march of progress. "AI Artists" go on the path of commerce.
I want a compromise. Artists stay and simply work on more stuff, but ai is used for time consuming nonsense like uv unwrapping, rigging, background art that you cant see that much etc. Honestly, imagine all your work without all of the tedious stuff. Sounds amazing, but we know how human greed works. If corporates see that something can be automated, they dont care, they want all of it automated, unless we the consumers say that it's not okay to do ai art for everything. There's also a problem of hiding ai. What if they use ai for models,textures etc all in the same style, and its too hard to differentiate between human art? Consumers can be lied to even if they dont want to support ai.
that's what I've been thinking now, AI is just for people who are desperate for money, and are to Lazy to learn most things, regardless of what state they are in, its sad how they're are Delusional People who think about having everything on a Gold Platter, not everything in life can be handed to you easily, and it takes time and Patience to get the stuff you want. Sadly people like these don't see that.
@@primus0348 I look at the AI revolution a bit like the 'Radium Craze'.
To put it in skeleton form many people thought that radioactive radium was the cure to all ills, and before long seeked implementing it everywhere in their day to day life.
Unsurprisingly much tragedy occurred as result.
It is my thought that both sides have their herd-leaders who influence the masses. We should hold our skepticism to them - lest that they kill us and our vision.
very true! I've spoken about that in my previous videos. Have you seen that?
we are literally heading towards the pixar movie walle where the ai will do everything for you
Knock it off. As long as humans have the capability and anger to remove other humans, evil cannot rule. They rule because of fearmongering and passivity.
Wall-E?
@@gabudaichamuda2545 Da fuq are you talking about, lol?
@@costelinha1867 I'm sick and tired of the doomer garbage talk when the people in every country vastly outnumber the people causing these problems.
And some people are apparently fine with that...ugh.
Considering how terrible art class is at teaching art, I'm not surprised it would be invaded by AI. I guess this is just another way the education system has found to kill our children's creativity.
And the worst part, is that as a beginner 24 year old artist... I get how tempting AI "art" can be, I feel the sense of "lack" that you mention Ai "art" targets, I feel that sense all the time, I'm never good enough, my art is always disgusting or feels disgusting, there's too much to learn and I'll never be able to learn everything I need to learn to make what I want, I'll never improve fast enough, or even worse, that part when you show an art piece you hate to your friends, but they say it's good, even though they're artists and they KNOW THAT YOUR ART IS NOT GOOD, but they still lie to you in order to make you feel better, yet when you show them an art piece that you think is genuinely good, all they have to say is "cool", or "you're progressing, nice", it feels like no matter what I do, no one will ever trully value my art, making it feel pointless at times.
People only seem to care about art when you're a complete beginner, so they can try and cheer you to make them feel better about themselves while LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE QUALITY OF YOUR ART, or when you're a professional, SamDoesArts level of artist, who then will be praised and have lots of fans because well, you're a professional artist, who makes gorgeous art, you deserve that praise to be honest. But if you're ANYWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, then all of a sudden, no one cares, no one cares if your anatomy is good, if your shading is good, you're not a professional artist, thus you'll never receive anything more than a "looks cool" as a reaction.
And now you wonder, why don't I give in to that temptation then? Why don't I just generate an ai "artpiece" and try to pass it as my own work to uninformed people for praise? Because that would be pointless, I didn't do that work, so I don't deserve to be praised for work that I DID NOT DO! However, these kids aren't aware of any of this, thus they might fall into this grift, and unironically think art is nothing more than feeding a computer with a bunch of words so it vomit a vaguely pretty image.
I agree with your closing thoughts. On another note, can I recommend that you perhaps shift from focusing from your product to your process? I spoke about this in this video, and I've made a lot of content on how to take your middle-road artwork to the next level in my other videos. I have lots of advice for people like you, and it's what my channel is dedicated towards. Keep it up my friend! I appreciate your efforts
I love your theme of personal fulfillment when you make your own art. People balk at the thought of art taking time, but that to me is the worthwhile feature. I’ve been making music every day, since getting my Masters in Music 10 years ago. Slow growth has fashioned my personal signature. I have yet to be at the level I want, but I’m very happy where I am.
Thanks for picking up on that! If you're only in something for the prestige or money, there's no fulfillment is there? I'm glad you caught that undercurrent of this video!
I just had a similar argument with my husband when he asked me why not just use a knitting machine instead of doing it by hand? The finished product isn't the main point, and it's not the reason I knit things by hand.
@@TheArtMentor You're welcome!
@@beth1979 Nice!
Saying an artist will become better just by learning a bunch of AI related vocabulary, is like saying you'll become a better programmer just by learning a bunch of syntax of your favorite programming language, while ignoring the actual fundamentals of programming, and the other theoretical stuff you need to learn, or even worse.... gasp... HAVING TO PROGRAM YOUR OWN PROJECTS YOURSELF..... just like ARITSTS... needs to MAKE THEIR OWN ART THEMSELVES TO IMPROVE...
theory and application are not the same, and a theorist doesn't equate to a strong practitioner, does it?
"Artists haven't you ever felt good, looking at your art, saying that you suffered a bit to get there but it was worth it? and felt fulfilled?"
I haven't felt this way in a long time, and I never felt this way with my digital art so far...
sounds like you're feeling a bit downtrodden aren't you? How long have you been digital painting?
Ahh damn, those guys they never seem to quit huh?
in a complicated system like this, its pretty hard that seeing most people they would rather give the ai the journey od art than doing themselves, its wall-e all over again!!
i hope those teachers realize of what they doing is wrong for all artists alike. anyway good work on that video!
one question off topic:
¿what kind of the programs did you use to make art? ¿and wich one is your favourite?
I'm glad you enjoyed! Happy to answer your other questions too. I personally use Photoshop. It's been my program for decades now
People are wiling to look the other way if money is involved, you would have to be a Good Soul to even Deny the money to stay true to these type of things, and unfortunately they're more people in Favor of money than the Human Soul, so I don't think the Teachers would even Care
@@primus0348 Yee, everyday people prefer money over creativity and I understand why they need money ( insert “we all live a society” joke) but this is disappointing even for me. :(
Don't know what the situation is for Australian schools in general but I'm currently studying for the very first concept art diploma program in Australia. We were just told a couple of weeks ago from a mentor who attended a conference where every gaming studio in Australia was present that gen AI has been banned at every single one of those studios. Can't copyright it, so they don't want it. To the point where using any gen AI tools can leave you liable for instant dismissal. This school isn't teaching AI.
I just looked up Australian schools and it looks like children will be taught gen AI here. Disappointing.
Oh, and just wanted to add this painting of yours is one of my favourites. Watching the painting of the armour and the background in particular, so satisfying.
That's what more and more game studios are moving towards. Lots of AI bans. It's becoming the norm outside of grifters and indie devs who are trying to save a buck and won't get anywhere with their AI
@@TheArtMentorGood
before every civilization's dies, their creativity dies
The Olduvai is getting closer
@@Mente_Fugaz Your cowardice is LETTING it die. Don't ever forget it.
exactly!
what is that?
@@TheArtMentor a theory about we are about to reach the crest of mankind, then we will slowly fall as civilization.
something that happens to every species
Not gonna lie, i try those "create stunning Ai art tool" before...
(but i didnt spend money on it, if you spend on it , u basically support it.)
The idea of those tool is help Artist "clear their mindset", but honestly,
*it didn't work.*
I rather spend my time to relax or master my drawing skill.
instead spend a fortune and a whale of a time, typing specific keyword, find the one to match my imagination...
It's a popular lie that's heavily propagated isn't it?
@@TheArtMentor yeah,
i really wish this *Snake oil season*, or the *Gold rush* will being shut down soon....😢
I'm happy to say the school I went to for my grad degree hasn't (yet) been pushing generative AI classes. In fact they started adding notes to the class assignments saying anything generated by AI will not be accepted, which I think is a good sign that they won't be leaning into the tech any time soon. State colleges/universities on the other hand I can see adding these classes, but it's true that if not enough people sign up then they will die off.
Personally, I can't imagine many ways to use image generators for reference since they can only produce approximations based on the data they've been trained on. The few times I've considered using it would be to jump start the process, trying to nail down a vibe that I can build off of for a larger idea, but I still find better inspiration from other artists rather than the generic mess image generators produce. Without a solid use case, I'm reasonably confident generative AI will never take over creative industries the way these companies/tech bros claim. The real danger, however, is in the ability to create and spread massive amounts of fake images and video that can be used to misinform the general public. That's what worries me the most about this tech.
glad to hear your school took that stance! They will be much more credible in the years to come because of that decision. Also how many elections will it take for AI generators to get tons of political heat after all of the fake imagery and video?
so in other words Ai is setting up young artists to fail. this is despicable in the worst way.
Yeah isn't that awful brainwashing? And adults who don't know better are leading the charge
@@TheArtMentor yeah, it is part of the reason i never went too art school. I taught myself most of what i learned by watching others and listening too videos like yours too improve my technique
Its all about the Money and its the only simple Answer, no soul or Passion, just Dumbing down a Generation for the Sake of Money, and AI Bros/Tech Bros know this, and their excuse is that "its the Future" and you need to "Adapt or be Left Behind" which is just a Further Excuse just to Scare of Actual Future Artist to make them one of Them so more Funding can go into these AI Crap
If you Love art and you are willing to make it from the Heart, and you would be willing to Learn it No Matter if it takes Months or Years, you wouldn't Care about money as a Top Priority. These AI Bros, its the Opposite, PERIOD.
And they say artists were the ones gatekeeping. Yet all I see is people who were learning art ending up quitting, because they look at people using AI who mock them for not being istantaneously and magically great at it right from the start. Ironically, AI is a bigger gatekeeper than any artist who could have ever been massively rude while criticizing your art.
I've tried AI and it gives me a headache trying to adapt it to the vision I have.
it also has very bad ai art for warhammer 40k lol or fantasy for that matter
very true!
it's always easier to start from your own vision, isn't it?
I thought that was just me
Only a True artist would say this. I respect the craft that is art.
AI generated stuff (of any kind, not just art) should be seen as an active sabotage of children development. You don't teach kids playing chess that they can grab the opponent's king to win the game in the opening move, don't you? You don't give them a new videogame only to activate them most game breaking cheats so that they will never lose, isn't it?
You don't teach them that they can get anything they want at all times without any effort, as it would spoil them like no tomorrow, right? It's what most parents want to show their kids so that they grow into responsible adults. The lesson to *earn* something by mastering it.
Tell me how a tool that give them anything they want effortlessly and istantaneously is gonna supposedly enrich their development.
I don't think I've ever seen a better point about this than what you just said.
A lot of modern games (especially mobile ones) aimed at children aren't about skill or creativity but encourage paying for an advantage. There are so many games with unnecessarily addictive elements and dark patterns. It depends on the game, of course, but there are some that are just openly exploitive...
well said! And also, shouldn't we teach kids how art is humanistically beneficial for them? So much of schooling is about work, but art is more than the product. Let's keep that alive and the additional benefits as well
I swear i just got rejected from art school again, I'm an austrian painter too.
At least you can learn online for free these days, so you don't have to go do war crimes. Please don't go do war crimes.
On the bright side, you have a whole year to prepare.
what did they cite for the reasons why?
NEW ARTISTS, LISTEN UP! You've got this! Don't get discouraged by overly painted AI images. There's a hidden flaw beneath those surfaces. Keep honing your skills, because what makes your art unique is YOU. People are truly interested in your artistic style, not just the technical aspects. Your technique serves as a tool to communicate your style and ideas clearly. It's a means to an end, not the final destination. Now, about AI...
I don't know about the future of AI, but right now it's pretty easy to expose its limitations. If someone criticizes your art for being inferior to AI, challenge them to generate something with a complex perspective - buildings, detailed bodies, anything with a well-composed scene with lighting that makes sense. That's where AI struggles currently. I've tried it myself, and I've seen others attempt it - AI just can't handle it... yet. It is NOT ready for the industry standards at this moment.
Great sentiments! I agree whole heartedly. In fact I made a video about all of those limitations. Have you seen that?
@@TheArtMentor Yes, I did :) And they're great!
AI is so derivative it's disgusting. I can't stand the "art" that it vomits out. It's the ultimate uncanny valley. Deceptive to the untrained eye at first glance, and so obviously wrong at second glance it makes my teeth itch.
It isn't the derivation, it's the completely alien and inhuman way it's made. Art generally works because it captures a mindset or thought visually; you can interrogate a piece with the creator not even in the room and find out the motivation for even minute details. Machine generated pieces are made by detached trend chasing (literally statistical abstraction of a full library of diverse pieces) that conveys little to no actual deliberate action by the mechanical artist nor the human commissioner.
@@cristiangaban960 In general, you should be able to ask about what led to very specific details of a piece. I've yet to meet any person who incorporates Machine generation into their process who can do that, largely because it wasn't them that dictated the composition.
Prove me wrong and I'd eat my hat but I haven't been proven wrong on that point yet.
you're amongst the majority in feeling that way, you know that?
I concur! I actually spoke about that common misunderstanding people have about what art is in my last video as well. Have you seen that?
@@cristiangaban960 You're extending the definition of "AI." Not every algorithm under the sun is "AI."
Discounting that fact, let's go through your laundry list here.
-"used to modify, apply styles to existing pre-made drawings or pictures" So bootlegging. Not even straight up using a piece for reference for your own interpretation. Lowest form of flattery here.
-"Unless you want to go back to cave paint-" going to stop you right there. Not all technology is the same ethically nor methodologically, or in terms of impact. Stop making the argument that those who are against ML are against technology. Not even the luddites were against technology in general.
-"Using a photo is already derivative" You're misappropriating the talking point here, one I never even made. Art is, to some degree, derivative; any expression of a person's experience is. Not all derivations are so digitally assisted they automatically use other's work to create compositions for the artist, even as a reference.
-"ask an abstract artist about what led to very specific details of a work" Will do! Probably have a really good conversation about what was happening in their life, what sort of medium they were working with, and what kind of feeling they were going for.
-"And if you think it's not a person who dictates a composition in an AI generated piece, you never touched AI yourself" Actually I have. Dictating subject matter, what colors you want it to use, and other such details isn't the same as defining the very shape of things, how the colors are being used, etc. Nor is making vauge, hand waving statements and just seeing what pops up. Having coding as a background, it all ends up either looking like bad google searches or SEO bros going ham on the tags for a blog post.
Can't say I'm familiar with MJ prompt, but I don't really feel the need to lose any more braincells than I did using the other major services. As "pretty" a picture it may paint, the generative method is fundamentally flawed to the core and removes any worth the output may have.
What pisses me off the most is that they tell me to use it. No. Art is fun. Drawing is fun. I am not gonna gave someone have sex for me, do I?
Artist make art cause the MAKING is fhn
Great point! The production is both taxing but rewarding, isn't it?
It’s already happening at the industry level. Corporate managements are already salivating at ai art and looking to cut corners to use ai to produce graphics for the sake of speed and shrinking their art departments, thus laying off artists 35:14 . And this includes companies that create educational softwares for kids.
they are but i heard one video game devs tried it and it fail spectacularly :)
oh yes they fail spectacularly
and how long do they expect that to last before their products look worse and function worse than everyone else? Not to mention the art department is a low cost expense in the grand scheme of educational programming
I’ve wondered how corporations will handle copywriting issues with machine generated content.
Typical low-IQ management move.
Imagine my shock.
I am surprised anybody today is still willing to work for corporations. Management generally get's worse by the year.
Using machine generated pieces for references is the least efficient obtuse way to get them. It's not only harming the environment, but choosing to ignore quality naturalistic references of real things for fake looking substitutes that are amalgamations of entire libraries. Specific artists, photography of real subjects, and distinctive pieces with deliberately specific styling are far more useful and actually force you to be more detailed oriented in what exactly you pull from a reference.
Honestly yeah AI is pretty useless for references. I struggle to find legitimate references of some things because there's so many inaccurate AI generated abominations crowding out genuine photos. Especially if I'm looking for a specific fish or octopus, AI is terrible at doing scales/tentacles and will mash features from several species together.
@@skypaver989The amount of "animal" photos I see on facebook where the fur looks like the poor "animals" have been shrinkwrapped is painful.
@@Fiveash-Art It's not really random tho. Quite literally the opposite, actually - if it was random, machine learning would be near useless. You get the same results putting actual thought into your surreal pieces and being deliberate about the elements you put into them, not having a robot decide what elements to include based on some formula it itself came up with.
Better for the environment and ethical usage of reference work when you do it yourself as well. If you just want pure generation, the internet had solved that problem decades ago and without this clunky "innovative" use of some megalocorp's data farm.
@@Fiveash-Art Don't know where you've been but ever since machines have been able to pick parts from databases, it's been able to generate as close to random as you can get. Adding a server farm and several hundreds more callbacks to do more of the creative process for you isn't so much innovation as it is circumvention of the actual creating process.
@@Fiveash-Art Mask's held on there a little too loosely I see.
Technology as a concept isn't ruining art in this case. As someone who's been plugged into the wall since birth, it'd be laughable for me to make such blanket claim, and really how dare you read that into what I'm saying. Poorly implemented, unethical, obtuse technologies that do little to improve the processes they seek to replace is what is at fault here.
The only "bitching" being done here is yours, if discourse is really too much for you.
Dude I hate techbros so much. It makes me embarrassed to be a computer engineer.
You know, I find it fascinating how many engineers like you hold that opinion. Why is that? I'm deeply curious and find it so validating haha
Went looking online today for Junior Graphic Design jobs, and saw some listings for AI Graphic Designers. It’s so depressing.
lol how long will that stay? in graphic design, there's so much AI will never be able to do
@@TheArtMentor I can't imagine long because when I think of modern professional graphic design, I think clean, sleek and simplified. Hence the saying that less is more. And AI has been shown to struggle greatly with generating more simplified style images, as demonstrated by a study in which multiple AI models were prompted to generate a pure single color background, but kept generating heavily patterned and textured ones instead.
@@angelhanachi That is so interesting. AI "art" is so advanced, yet it can't emulate cave paintings? I guess it shows how far removed AI is from ever understanding what art even is
@@Sergio-nb4hj I mean it even sucks at simple cartoony or sketchy artstyles like for example, the artstyle of Bluey. Simple outlines, cell shading, simple colors. AI just has a strong tendency to overcomplicate it to the point the outlines blend into the colors, stuff starts to bleed, etc.
Just because AI is a thing and dishonorable companies are using ai. Don't give up on art. Art is wonderful and don't let some filthy generator ruin your perceptions for art. I got a comment from someone saying waste my time with anything related to art. AI is going to take over everything. I call bull as in the end. Ai is limited and it always will be by the nature of how it works. It can't innovate and all it will do is recycle the same crap. So do yourself a favor and continue. Show the world how good art can make the world a better place and innovate.
Absolutely! Isn't it worthwhile to continue to show the world everything AI can't do and why art is so important?
Cant believe they are replacing teaching drawing with "this is how you can type in a prompt and get any drawing you want"
Like, You're skipping everything that makes creating art
That kid probably deserved the F but F minus? That’s a bit rude,
that's how students are being treated for not implementing AI or refusing too. pretty rude huh?
lol ai art is a cheater tool
no arguments there! lol
I love that I instantly recognised where the thumbnail meme is from
haha have you seen my other videos on AI? I love to repurpose their popular images to expose the truth. Have you noticed?
Think about it, how much has society went downhill that mass-made AI 'art' is something to market, and be fed into people's brains? 🤡Art is not damn food that we need to consume everyday.
can you explain this a bit more? Are you saying there's too much AI imagery out there now, or that art isn't that important?
@@TheArtMentor I think it's the former.
I mean think of it, Art is amazing indeed, but the problem is that we as a society treat it as just another product to be sold, rather than really acknowledging the creative, cultural, and social value art trully have.
i also just wanna say that listening to these videos really calm me down anxiety wise. I have horrible paranoia and Im afraid to even go outside sometimes cause im scared someone will take a picture of me and put it on LAION to train their ais.
You should make more videos on Glaze and Nightshade. If everyone poisons their art, then maybe in the future ai image gen wont be able to grow atleast
I'd be happy to integrate that into future content. Thanks for the idea!
Luckily my university banned any AI related stuff whatsoever. But my mom would stop bringing it up. Even when I’m doing my BFA Review… which bans AI..
That’s great to hear! Have you heard about other schools trying to push this harmful tech as well?
Heard a little bit on Tumblr. Second time I heard it.
Art schools teaching how to use AI generators seems like a massive ripoff. Instead of teaching the students how to make art, they're teaching the students how to teach the AI to make art. The students still can't draw, but now the AI can draw a little better.
Exactly! Since when did any media many an artist's life that much easier? Every art medium has a learning curve and degree of difficulty
I grew up pre computer era, and have seen many industries and jobs disappear. I honestly believe our education system should be more arts, music, theatre oriented as more robotics take over minimum skill jobs. I’ve played with AI and thus far find it lacking in true skills. Creative arts develop problem solving skills that apply to all varieties of “career” options.
You have valuable insights! I agree, too much pushing for science and tech in servitude to industry and less on helping ourselves, isn't it?
you are the big reason that i was able to get out of my slight depression with AI taking over the creative industry. AI feels like an ocean that will drown any potential to become an artist or 3d animator, but when you stop and zoom out you find that it is just a large media pool with corporations making the waves to suit their agenda.
no one likes tough times, but those times can help us become stronger and more focused. it also helps us find out what makes our art special. good art isn't just a picture, it is about characters, world building, story telling, emotions. the more we improve on that the better we will become
wow, I'm so flattered to hear that, but moreso, I'm crazy proud of you for discovering that confidence in yourself! We can either focus on the negativity or focus on our efforts, can't we?
@@TheArtMentor exactly
Thank god I have graduated in 2014 before ai is a thing my self esteem would be been crushed worst ways. My art teacher told there are similar people myself in both disorder and income status able despite what regardless what.
I know I think I would go insane listening to professors who aren't even aware of its harm try to push the tech like it's a new medium when it's exploiting and harming artists. Right?
@@TheArtMentorI glad not interested in college its not the worth money for now.
I joined the womp 3d comorrmunity because i can put my art on their community page and not worrie about someone stealing my art
good to know for us all!
ai art is poison
we all feel you on that sentiment!
@@TheArtMentor true
Only two minutes into the video but I just gonna be my doomer self and just say that right now I'm really glad I don't have kids. Because the world seems really uncertain right now. What even will be a useful skill in 20 years? What will the world look like by then? And considering all the environmental stuff and wars and insane dictators with nuclear bombs and other crazy stuff happening, will humanity even exist in 20 years? I don't know it just feels really scary.
I look at my nephews who are 16 and 12, I am genuinely worried about their future with all this AI stuff as they are studying for a world we have no idea how it will be in a year, let along in 5-8 when they will reach the adult world.
The problem in this case is that even adults, teachers and their own parents have no idea where this is even going. We get big CEOs telling in public that kids should not bother learning to code (nVidia) as AI will take their place, while companies are rushing to dispose of their workforce to embrace AI to maximise their own profits not realizing that if everyone do that, nobody will ever buy anything anymore because nobody can afford it, and in good or in bad, money stops making sense.
I don't even know as an adult where this world is going, let alone have answers for a kid looking confused at me about its own future who he is forced to decide about when they are just teens. How can they decide which job to specialize onto if we don't even know which job will even exist anymore 5 years from now?
it's promoting a bleak future, isn't it? However, it's up to people like us to promote a better life, isn't it?
confusion is a more controllable state. See how all this wraps up into that scheme?
i see people saying layoffs are due to ai is that true?
Already happening
partially is cause employers looking for any excuse to abuse their golden gooses
this is why job world is kinda hostile and competitive since money is symbol of power and power usually always corrupts
but the system works cause too many people depend on it and the only way it can go is forward while the system is fully blind
its just lucky to not hit a wall
not really, it could be a reason but layoffs have always happened because that's just how the entertainment industry works, they've also overhired in the past so I think its just become industry standard, it doesn't help that there is never enough time to finish any project and crunch is expected, exploitation runs rampant in creative fields
@@Gamingpandacat True, there is a mix of reasoning - but newer technologies that reduce overhead factor into now having to downsize but keep the same or more output.
I think the main reason we are seeing so many layoffs is that it's a quick and fast way to please stock investors.
To a person who enjoys making art, image generating AI is kind of like an AI that completes your crossword puzzles for you. Like, what's the point? 😆
well said! You enjoy the process for the product, don't you?
@@TheArtMentor For sure! The meaning is derived from the struggle. The end product is nice too, but mainly because it's the outward reflection of that journey.
I have totally different approach on building an illustration than you, but your way gives more space for adjustments. I try to pay attention to your process, hope to learn from it. I appreciate the textures and the lightening the most i think. This touches of light sources you did at the end, lifted your piece on a way higher level, it's like magic. Maby cause it's actual magic ;)
Well thanks for your kind words! What have you been focusing on lately to improve your work as well?
@@TheArtMentor Oh. I did some anatomy studies and exercises. Did some figure drawings as well. Also got back to fundamentals and practiced good old boring figures in perspective. :)
Can we stop calling it art?
I personally don't, but I just call it such in my videos to make it more accessible. Just like my first point in this video, AI is trying to rebrand art while knowing nothing about the topic, isn't it?
ai bros are still saying ai art is selling well
Quantity will naturally have some level of success over quality*
*not quantity
@@RobertStolldid you mean quality on that last word?
@@masterag4068 Autocorrect got me there lol. A greater volume of work out on the market means you sell more on average despite the quality, but
ai art is selling to those who dont know physical aspect of art the ai is the artist and the person behind the keyboard is a image generator typer you cannot copyright words btw :) so someone can steal your prompts
if pewddiepie can draw phyiscally and without using cheater ai art tool than anyone can do it !!!
I have been thinking about machines taking over artists jobs for a decade now and have been keeping up with the technological developments. So when the concern hit a wider public I wasn't that concerned. The art market will evolve and disruption in the jobs market will settle down. I am fine with so called gen AI as a technology personally. My main problem these days is that whenever you try to find references you are hit with countless AI generated images with tons of inaccuracies. 😮💨
Yes that reference search issue is brutal isn’t it!
absolutely. one interesting thing to note about the AI ‘democratising’ art is ironically how expensive it is. To run good ‘free’ AI software like Stable Diffusion you need a good GPU, which means it’s either thousands of pounds on a suitable computer or paying tons for google’s cloud service. I couldn’t even experiment with the thing for myself cos my computer lacks so much.
I’m not that into techy stuff, buying a Huion drawing tablet and learning to draw digitally with Photoshop (which is also paid) was enough an expense for me. Still like to draw with pencils on a sketch pad. Sometimes photocopy my pencil drawings and touch them up on the tablet lol, need to improve my confidence with the digital pen. That is all cheaper than some NVIDIA super processor imo
This is all true, and it definitely creates a huge divide in privilege and access to the ai tech, doesn't it?
@@TheArtMentor yes for sure!
@@hungrysquirrelllStay away from Adobe products then. You're aware they train their AI with their users' works?
Edit: Krita, Clip Studio Paint, Sai...All very good alternatives.
i hate it, i hate it alot, i hate the ai techbros ccause they just dont get it and how its really horrible for artists. Why is everyone so unethical and so apathetic? Why does no one care anymore? What is wrong with america???
i just wanna draw...
I hear your anxiety, and just remember that the only thing that can really stop you from drawing is you, okay?
Wow AI art is worse than I thought! And all to make a quick $$$
Yeah isn't that sad? Which aspect of this video surprised you the most?
Times like this makes me glad that I've graduated years ago so I was spared of this AI Art crap but also, I do tend to theorized that because I've had years of art in traditional means (been taught in traditional style, seen various arts in museums, even see people creating art as live demos, etc.), I've stuck with traditional means myself. People asks me all the time if I do digital art and is always in shock when I tell them that I work traditional style - ink and watercolor mainly. Whenever I do digital art or so, I just feel weird all the time, like its not normal and actually try to find ways to my digital look more natural like traditional...is that weird?
Can I say that it's perfectly fine to keep authentic artmaking your own personal method regardless of what others think? Traditional art is still at the top of the art hierarchy as well. Were you aware of that?
@@TheArtMentor I know traditional art is still top-notch and honestly, I dont let people discourage me from doing traditional in both personal and business. If anything, I promote it like crazy since its who I am as a person and creator. Only time I've ever seen people really getting on my case about my traditional works are those who either cant create art themselves (I normally think they either jealous or insecure really) or them crazy folks who still believe that I cant make a living with art...
Since DA keeps advertising the idea that you can make '20k in less than a year' (paraphrasing) via AI art, I've been taking a close look at the accounts they are promoting. Most of the visible posts have very little engagement. The money they are supposedly making does indeed look a lot like Fiverr. $5 "exclusives" which is like NFTs without the blockchain, and $5 subs to NSFW paywalled images. When I look at the accounts that are buying this stuff, it's even more suspicious. The people selling look like bots and so do the buyers. There's no actual fans or community there.
Yes I just stumbled upon that too! I don't buy it. Think I should make some content investigating such claims?
i wish ai image generators were used just for fun and to see what the ai comes up like it used to be with instead of straight up take over artists's jobs
The AI algorithm will perpetually rely on human creativity. While fewer individuals may be required due to the automation of mechanical tasks, this will liberate them to pursue alternative occupations and endeavors. Consequently, the overall content output will surge, accompanied by a decrease in prices, resulting in a win-win situation for all.
already happening when AI image pricing is nearly worthless, isn't it?
I’ve always said art school is irrelevant. You can’t teach art. You can train a skill. But you don’t be an expensive degree. Ai will turn them all into tech colleges. They follow the money
As someone in the field, can I say that you can teach art and it's a well-researched topic as well? The business models of art education, which I believe you are talking about, is where it becomes corrupted. Does that sound better?
Tho i do wanna hear your opinion on SORA ai and how people say that AI art and animation will "only get better"
Sure! I talked about that in my previous video. Would you like a link?
@@TheArtMentor yes pls
@@poptear6426 What I fear about Sora, is what it will do to forensic evidence when there comes a time that you can no longer tell the difference between it and real video.
you remind me of that spy from TF2 but without mask
Is that a good thing? Lol
@@TheArtMentor yes, he is iconic 🤣🤣
I use references I find on my phone.im working on modeling a 3d ww2 aircraft engine modeled in womp3d.i use my own details to add interest to the model
Yeah I do similar things when I'm on the go. It's much better finding your own references isn't it?
I'm a 3D modeler too, and most of my stuff I make either comes from my mind or from a Tutorial, it still hard for me to make Human Models but with enough Time and Effort I can Achieve Results Close to what I imagined having, and I Use Actual References to help me make stuff, the only time I use AI to Help me is in References, and that's basically a Very Rare thing, because now I want to use as Very Little to No AI in my Projects. and if I ever get the chance ill Hire Actual People to Make Music's and Actual Voice actors instead of having AI reducing the Quality of these things.
How do I use nightshade to reprogram artificial intelligence art?
Nightshade isn't really reprograming these Machine Learning algorithms, if anything it's using how they're programmed against them. Machine Learning depends on tagging to connect anything in their training to a visual output, so nightshade basically messes up those tags.
That said, using it is similar to how you use generation in the first place; either you install it on your system or go through their site, feed in your piece, and it spits out your piece with some distortion to throw off the Machine Learning algos.
I'd argue it isn't even that great a defense to your art.... still worth doing, but it's good to remember it as a temporary stopgap in a war of attrition. The Machine Learning lobby will develop counter measures, which will need new defenses against, so on and so on.
check out some tutorials on it, since it is new, but it basically poisons the datasets if it takes your images
Lmao I’ve seen ai in my schools and it’s so fucking funny (coming from an art kid)
oh yeah? Tell me about that
@@TheArtMentor I mean the staff is pretty old and our school isn’t exactly private so there’s no top notch funding. So im assuming it’s probably an honest mistake if anything on their part, probably thought it was real art. There are ai posters in some areas of the school, it looks funny because it only takes one good look to realize its ai (the faces being upside down, there being too many fingers, the hair looking weird, no line consistency etc). I find it funny since everytime we (me and my friends) see a new one we go up to it and make silly remarks about it. Though I am planning to take art as a career path I’m not too worried about ai replacing me no matter how good it gets. But yea that’s kind of my average school day lmao
Believing you need AI for a job, is like believing you need your replacement in order to keep your job. All you are doing is giving it away!
Look at the tech guys. Making algorithms so efficient, they don't need to do anything. Oh! How nice, The redTube doesn't need you anymore. The algorithms do your work now. Goodbye!
So true, you're helping yourself into oblivion faster by learning and teaching AI. Dumb move, huh?
Hello from Russia! I very often see advertisements for such courses in communities with useful materials for artists. These advertisements are not published by the creators of these communities, they are simply presented with a fact - you publish this advertisement and receive money or refuse monetization altogether. And very often these advertisements are COMPLETELY unattractive. They simply talk about the importance of AI in our time and show a picture that should be like a “masterpiece of artificial intelligence,” and there is a photo of a children’s party that was run through a neural network.
But recently DIAMOND caught our eye. Advertisement for courses in icon painting. I’m not sure that anyone was really interested in drawing icons, but it was much better than advertising AI courses. At the very least, a real photograph with a real old woman who draws a real icon in a traditional way sparked a discussion in the comments along the lines of “guys, let’s drop all this and go draw Jesus.”
hello friend! Thanks for watching! Sorry to hear you've had to suffer through those lousy advertisements
If I have to do a project at an art school that requires using an ai generator. NGL I'll feel dirty. I don't care if it takes more time. I genuinely prefer making something from complete scratch. Something I can call my very own. Ai doesn't give you the same satisfaction as making something from scratch.
Yeah same here. There's a severe lack of ownership and creative rights, isn't there?
This young man was doing so well… I mean, he was nailing it about AI ! Then he gets to the 13 minute 30 second mark and puts down for profit schools, as if there’s something wrong with the for-profit school or a for-profit anything ? Perhaps you need to study the history of nonprofits and her connection to the government, and then come back and redo this entire presentation. I stopped at that point.
Why did that trigger you so much like that? I’m asking as a professional educator for over a decade who’s also studied what you’ve suggested. By any chance, do you or someone you know work at a for-profit school?
There's a big problem at our Uni, some lecturers are encouraging us to us AI, they're even using it themselves, and we can use it in our assessments BUT we HAVE to tell them. Now let me tell you what the students think, we are all fuming about it because we all know AI is cheating, something that would normally take us months, Ai can do in a few minutes, and we know we'll get marked down for it if they know we used it, and if you make a complaint your grades will change for the worse, yep it's happened, so nobody complains. We've spent A LOT of money to be there and this is the crap we get.
That's the toxic culture I speak to in this video isn't it? So sorry to hear!! What have you learned that you can start to do to take action?
@@TheArtMentor ty for responding, yea it's sad that they're so toxic!! not much I can do, graduate and learn from that experience, it's good though that we students all have better morals than them ☺
At my uni someone made a card game with ai and passed..as their masters thesjs
@@swearsinspanish1092 Yea wow so bad, in illustration someone presented theirs and said they'd done it in AI, and we were like wtf.
I've decided to go back to college for animation but i recently realized one of the professors involved with the animation program i'm going for is majoring in "ai" and it's such a blow. it's just throwing me out of wack and I wish I knew what to do. I could just stick to only an associate but i REALLY wanted an actual classroom and have professors to help me with getting certified/interships. It just feels like such a slap in the face and I'm worried the "changes to the program" I've heard about are going to be about ai.
Yikes, yeah, I totally understand your apprehension. Is that the only professor teaching animation in that program? Any way you could avoid taking them?
@TheArtMentor unfortunately she's one of the main professors, so every required class for the degree is taught by her 😔 I decided to just keep it up with community college and study animation with an online college instead. It's a compromise, but I'm willing to do it this way to avoid Gen ai stuff
Hit the nail on the head with the "art call center" point.
It's inevitable isn't it? Any how does that prepare students for a rewarding art career? It's a doomed path
I skipped the video to watch the conclusion because this topic makes me feel like trash, but I leave my like and comment because I agree whith your conclusion.
I totally understand, and I thank you for your support! I'm curious to hear, if you watched this video, how it might positively impact you. My content might help you feel more at ease 😁
true artists r the ones tht struggle and r humbled by their own art
if u dont feel tired, exhausted. annoyed, feeling pain in ur neck, unmotivated in the process but still push through u r not a real artist
can we also accept that those symptoms are often the symptom of growth and not only in regards to art?
I saw a video of a youtuber called dankpods he was reviewing a rice coocker and in the package of the rice coocker said enhanced with AI like wtf why would a rice cooker need AI?
lol great example!
But also: if it Genuinely is too much and you csnt go on and rather want to do art for leisure and fun, it's ok. Do what is best for you and your mental health
absolutely! At its core, you should do art because you genuinely enjoy it, shouldn't you?
my college tutor started teaching us to use it and i quit not long after. I didnt start an art course to learn how to not do art.
What did they try to teach you? Ai?
@@TheArtMentor Duh! They are trying to tech people to use ai instead of do art themselves! You are so behind what is happening. Delusional.
Thank you! Thank You a thousand times!!!!
my pleasure! What helped you the most in this video?
@@TheArtMentor To just keep on doing my own terrible animations - its not perfect but it is original - and it keeps improving. I also felt demoralized about my animation against AI art until I came across you channel. Thank you again.
Your videos have helped reassure me as an artist and designer in existential panic!
I'm so happy to hear that! I believe you have amazing potential, don't forget that, okay?
18:17 wait, they're *actually* getting sued😃
I was told that in America companies are too big and powerful to try and sue so no-one ever bothers.
I thought I'd have to resort to putting a watermark on my work saying "if this ends up in an AI art algorithm a curse will be unleashed" because when it comes to ritch people you only have to suggest that there may be a curse in order for the curse to manifest.
Oh YES, and there are more every month haha
Me watching the animation industry and art schools slowly crash and burn, knowing I’d not survive working in a different field/going to another type of school
why do you think that's happening? There's no shortage of projects no companies producing animations of all levels
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Thanks so much for your support! I hope to see you around my other videos as well!
Lol I actually learned a lot watching your art process playing in the video!
Glad to hear and thanks so much for watching! I’m curious to hear what tips you picked up
nice
Thanks! What do you think about this happening and the consequences?
Looking for a discord server or community of artists that AI can't replicate.
Someone?
can I recommend one of my previous videos that mentions this?
@@TheArtMentor please,thanks
I can agree your art is better than AI art.
Well you just made my day!😁
👏great video!
thanks so much! What did you enjoy the most in this video?
Which schools, though?
Random imaginary ones?
colleges and universities, as well as public schools. Does that clarify?
@@TheArtMentor
Yeah, it's not actually true, though.
I live in front of the Art school in via Ripetta, in Rome, and art is still made by artist.
Reason is simple.
Artists *love* doing it, AI users don't.
@ChristianIce that’s great that your school doesn’t and I totally agree with you. However, have you researched other schools trying to push this tech? I get comments about this happening all the time as well. It’s a sad effect
@@TheArtMentor
I have to admit I didn't research every school to make statistics but there's one thing I can tell you for sure.
Artists make art because they love it, they love the process, they love the passion involved in the creation.
An artists is afraid of AI as much as a painter is afraid of photography.
MIDI was invented in 1981, did it replace drummers and pianists?
No, it can do the same thing but people still enjoy playing drums and pianos, and they do regardless MIDI, exactly like they do it regardless other drummers and pianists being alive.
The idea that art can't exist if it's easy for somebody to mimick it means not to understand and love what art is and what is the pleasure in making it.
While kids should be familiar with AI tools in general and it's good to know how to use them for some minor things and minor help, people still need to learn ACTUAL valuable skills that are good for their brain and human culture.
the problem exists when ai devalues the hard-cultivated skills and presents a replacement that exacerbates gaps in knowledge though, doesn't it?
Hats off!
Thanks! What did you enjoy the most in this video?