Chris this was a very thoughtful and responsible way to let us know that giving you a hard time results in double the rate of video production ;) Great presentation as always.
I love my Kahr CM9. I think Kahr’s biggest problem is the price. It’s hard to justify the price on some of their guns. Especially for a polymer frame, single stack pistol
This is likely much different now as I see the Cm9 for 350-400 bucks all day long now. I consider that appropriate and worth the value of the gun. Better than an Lcp, While retaining size, Yet worse than something like a kimber or sig or Glock, But theyre cheaper than those options. These Kahr Micros are a Great Middleground option for the common man, And particularly theyre an excellent starting point or excellent for Super stealth carry
Chris should move on from ammo and get into the explaining business. He could go all over the country explaining stuff to everybody. The world would work better and hed make a billion bucks.
I’ve owned a Kahr CW9 and a P380 for years. The pistols are identical in design. I carry whichever one I deem necessary at the time. The fact that they operate the same and feel familiar to each other is a definite plus. It’s much better than carrying two completely different pistols.
About a month ago, you did a review on the Bersa 380. I’ve carried that concealed before, and it certainly is DA/SA. Some might not consider it a reliable pistol, but I’ve never had any malfunctions with it.
I have had a Bursa Thunder for years, with only a single failure - owner induced by a weak, off hand grip. Beyond that, it’s been flawless. However, it has long been replaced for carry purposes by my Shield, both due to caliber 9mm vs .380, weight, and nearly identical size.
I've owned three Kahr pistols - two K9s and a T9 Elite. I sold one of the K9s to a son and still have the other two. They've been my daily carry pieces for almost 20 years now (the K9). The T9 Elite frequently goes with me when I don't need the smaller size of the K9, however, as the T9 is a little easier to shoot. They're both fantastic tools and don't preach to me about the weight. A good belt and holster and they're very comfy to carry. Both my Kahrs have amazing, smooth triggers. I can't recommend them highly enough.
I totally agree. I love my Hk P2000SK LEM; however, I end up carrying my P9 with a Milt Sparks VM II more, because it's thinner and over 5 ounces lighter.
@@brandonjohnson2493 The P series pistols are anything but cheap. Their overall quality is comparable to Hk and Walther, both of which I own. Much better than say a S&W Shield, Taurus etc. The C Kahr's series not as much.
@@gunslinger.3573 This interests me as a PF-9 owner. I have the hogue rubber grips on mine and still can't shoot more than 30ish rounds before the pain starts affecting my accuracy. I always thought the pm9 should theoretically recoil less cause of the heavier weight and apparently very stiff slide. Can you confirm this? Is the slide any harder to rack than the PF-9?
@@iank6897 the Kahr CM 9 is way better than the Keltec. I sold my Keltec, but still have the Kahr. It has a super smooth trigger with a rolling break. It is a long pull, not too long and very easy smooth pull. The quality is way better that the Keltec also. As far as recoil, I can shoot the Kahr all day, the super stiff recoil spring and extra weight tame the recoil of the 9mm in the Kahr CM9, which is the same as the PM9. The PM9 is more expensive due to minor, mostly cosmetic differences on the slide.
I think single stack 9's with thin grips are always going to punish the shooter. But nothing compares, again imo, to an Airweight snubnose small frame .38 revolver with full power loads. Talk about brutal. 😖
@@iank6897 I only shot about 5 rounds through the pm9. That was over 6 years ago. From what I remember the trigger felt the same and recoil was about the same as well. But I'm not too sure I can give a very accurate comparison as I only shot 5 rounds.
Thank you for following up on this. Kahr is IMHO the finest carry pistol on the market. Kahr as DAO style actions, are the safest trigger system available for a carry gun. As for holstering the gun, to quote Blackhawk Down, waving his finger, "THIS is my safety, Sir " !!!!!
Sad thing is this man has taught me a lot... Like a lot... I'm all the way across the planet and I'll never get to meet him just to say thank you... Thats sucks bro but anyway love all the way from SA 🇿🇦 ♥
I found the lcr to be far better than both. Sold all my kahrs there's really no need to carry a single stack now adays with all the micro pistols out there that are basically the same size with more ammo
I love the longish pull on my Kahr CW9. It’s not that long and not heavy at all. Just a short, smoother than a revolver, pull made better with a Wolff reduced power striker spring. Not a true DA but a safe gun for concealed IWB carry.
My CW9 was great outside of 147gr ammo. I still want one of their steel framed 9s. For a good decade at least the entire industry was trying to outdo what Kahr had been doing already and nobody really did anything particularly better
I had a CW9, I did really like the pistol. Unfortunately after about 1000+ rounds it started having trigger reset issues. I changed reset springs and a few others, didn't help. My buddy offered to buy it and solve the issue himself. Walther had the pps on sale so I basically traded for that. I do miss the Kahr though. May get the cw380 one day as a little BUG.
@@mattmarzula I have a S&W model 19 that was made in late 60s and the pull on the Kahr is shorter and lighter weight. It’s subjective and the old Smith is a great gun with a very good trigger but when shooting side by side the Kahr feels smoother. New S&W revolvers I can’t comment on but I’d think the older ones have the better triggers.
When you started the analogy about trucks I sat up and started pre-typing in the comment section about how wrong you are about Honda Ridgeline not being trucks. But then you switched on me and used El Camino. Carry on. You are correct. 😂😂
You don’t often get a B-52’s reference in a gun video. Well done, Bearded One! Yes, my first semi-auto carry pistols were Kahrs. Almost everything else was too big and I felt safer with that DAO trigger. Smooth and reliable, I still have my CW380 for pocket carry and my CW9 is still in the family with my son. I’d still have it but, at it’s size, it really should have double stack capacity; I much prefer a full grip to using pinky rests so it was doomed when the P365XL came out.
Besides, thug vermin usually come in packs of at least two, and quite often three pos's, commonly. Two 7 shot Kahrs, one in your right pocket, and one in your left, plenty of round, for multiple shots for each attacker, if needed.
You can find countless videos or other stories of multiple thugs, robbing people, or doing home invasions. A five or six young revolver or pistol, can run dry fast when facing two or three thugs out to murder you.
I love my Kahr. But I have to admit that while other gunmakers are cranking out sub compacts with sight cut outs and clown car-ing 12+ 9mm rounds in their mags, Kahrs are looking dated.
@@jeffpaul8260 There's nothing wrong with picking a favorite. Capacity isn't everything and in most civilian shootings even necessary. But it does give some people reassurance.
I was the yahoo that bring up Kahr on the other video. The reason I brought it up is that the question you were answering included a comment about how they loved DA revolvers. The Kahr is indeed technically a single action striker fired pistol (really more of a 1.5 action since racking the slide partially cocks the striker and the trigger pull finishes cocking it before firing). But the trigger on the Kahr is the most "DA revolver" like of any pistol out there and that's why I recommended it. Had the questioner said they were looking for a hammer fired DAO or DA/SA gun, I wouldn't have brought up the Kahr.
Yeah, there were well over 100 comments about the Kahr in the last video. The Kahr does feel kind of DA revolver-like when you shoot it. When measured with a trigger pull gauge, the weight is the same a Glock -- about 6 pounds. Most J-frames and LCRs come in around 10-12 pounds. The length of travel is about half to 2/3 of a DAO revolver. Whether that's sufficiently safe is up to you, but there is a significant difference between a Kahr and a DAO revolver trigger, despite how they may feel.
I love my CM9. It was my primary carry for years before mag capacities started to rise. It’s still fun to shoot and very accurate.The fact that there is essentially no break in that trigger is what people who love the gun like and interestingly it’s also what people who don’t like the gun don’t like.
I don’t currently have a Kahr, but I always liked them. I had one, and it feels pretty good in the hands. I found it to be reliable and fits decently well in my hands.
Chris is one of my favorites. Like minds think alike. I am a big fan of Pocket Pistols and Micro 9mm's. Own many and shoot weekly. I own some striker fired Pistols, Sig 365, Hellcat etc. But my favorite is the DAO STRIKER FIRED Kahr and the Beretta Nano and APX CARRY. My gosh these are great triggers. I love revolvers, but as Chris said that is a topic for another discussion. The Kahr and Nano/Carry are great! Smooth, CONTROLLED, DELIBERATE all the way through. A great asset. The Nano is the mildest shooting of all. I will NOT carry the Sig 365 or other similar guns like the Ruger series now made. Chris is one of the most honest. The NEWBIE listens to all the muck about light triggers and short resets and believe the lightest and less travel is what a competition shooter uses so that want to be the Pro. EDC is not the same. Another great education by Chris. By the way. I love Pocket guns and he was right on the money about which guns should not be for a beginner. I have shot so many thousands of rounds out of a Pico, Kahr ETC, but would not recommend them for the typical Newbie or those that refuse to train often.
I've had a PM9 for over 20 years and a P9 and they are fantastic pistols. High quality, accurate and very reliable. Very svelte in design and easy to conceal. However, I had a P380 as a back up for several years and got rid of it. It was deadly accurate, super easy to conceal and easy to shoot. However, it was not reliable with various HP ammo and almost all ball ammo. I've found a lot of folks complain about it. My new back up is a S&W 360 PD. Thanks for sharing!
@@lobstereleven4610 there are cosmetic differences in the area of fit and finish that involve more expensive processes, fancier rifling in the premium series, and apparently more man hours to make them work just right. With the value series, the idea is you’ll tune it up and break it in on the consumer end.
I think the biggest unique attribute of a double-action gun is the re-strike capability. A true double-action will enable dry firing repeatedly without racking the slide. The part that Kahr is missing to be a true double-action is re-strike capability without cycling the slide. That could be done on a striker-fired handgun, but I’m not aware of any.
Appalachian, there is... On Taurus pt111/140, g2, and the g3. I think it's left off the g3 toro, and the new GX4. I have the pt111. It has a nice, short reset, then a long restrike pull, if the slide don't cycle. That's a nice feature, although I've yet to experience a light primer strike, where I WOULD need it:)
You make some great points about Kahr arms! I’ve never considered a “double-action” for carry but it’s a well thought out option! Kahr CW9 sounds interesting for my next carry rotation! Thx Brother for the vid!
I see you're rockin' that Sig P239. Sweet. I love mine, and I have them all thanks to your video on them. So, again, thanks for alerting me to this fantastic firearm.
I've heard and agree that Karh is a "DA like" or a "similar to Double Action." I think you did pretty good in explaining that. Their trigger is the same in every model, which is neat.
Excellent video, and spot on about Kahr. I owned a CW9 for awhile. It was a good gun, but it had quirks that made me eager to send it down the road. I divide striker-action pistols into two categories: LONG STRIKER ACTION (LSA): Kahr, S&W Sigma/SD series. These are the barely cocked strikers that need a long trigger pull to cock and fire. Glock probably falls in this category too. SHORT STRIKER ACTION (SSA): HK, XD M&P, Walther PPQ. These have fully-cocked strikers with little trigger travel needed to release the striker. These make me nervous unless they have a safety outside of the trigger dingus. Feel free to use this....
His description of double action is quite good but begins around 6:20. BATF defines the Kahr and Gock triggers as Double Action, not their marketing departments. As he describes, the striker springs in both the Kahr and Glocks are partially compressed when a round is chambered. Compression is completed only when the trigger is pulled. Like a slide safety, the gun cannot be fired unless the safety is disengaged, in these guns, the trigger is essentially a safety in that the gun cannot be fired unless the trigger is 'engaged'.
I used to own a Kahr CM40. The trigger was the worst I've ever experienced. The pull was long, heavy, would grind like it was full of sand and would break in a different point every time. I was happy to sell it.
I love your videos. No matter what the topic I always learn something new. I have been shooting for 30 years and still always struggled with a clear definition of single action or double action. This video made it so simple to understand.
Kahr makes really good quality pistols, personally I really love their products, but they haven't been innovating for a while now. If weren't for the business from restricted states like CA, IL, MA, CT and so on, I see the market is moving away from them for the last 4 to 5 years regardless of if it's a striker fire or a hammer fire, all metal or polymer or hybrid.
You should probably tell that to Glock, Sig, Springfield, and others who arrived after Kahr to make single stack pocket 9mms and sell them like hotcakes...
I like the cw380. It's a gun that needs the correct ammo and I incredibly small. Kahr makes one type of pistol really, but they make every version of quality for price that will meet any budget
I love my P380, runs steel, Spicy Hollow points (V-crown is what I use), and is dead reliable. Accurate enough I was able to get 15 yard dinner plates about half the time. Get magguts springs in them and now you have 8+1.
I have carried my p380 for about 15 years now, drop in my pocket with good Keydets pocket holster, and have used Magguts in all my spare mags never a hiccup on them
My dad, a friend, and I all own P380s. We all bought them because we are limited to California approved guns, and these are our smallest option. They shoot very good and accurate when they actually work. All three of us have had problems with them, and all three of us had to send them back for work. They have jammed in every way you can think of, from failure to feed, failure to extract, stovepipes etc. Khar wouldn’t even except them back for warranty work until they were “ broken in” with at least 500rds. This was very difficult to achieve because they would jamb every 3-5rds, and this was Obama era when 380 ammo was over a buck a round. Total disappointment for a gun that was like $600 and this was not exceptable. They seem to work now, but we don’t carry them because there is no trust in them after such a horrible experience with them in the beginning.
How to cheaply break in a new gun, 1 make sure gun is empty 2sit on couch watch favorite show 3 while watching cycle the slide continuously and that will equal several hundred rounds of use. 4 Go to range and have fun.
I've had a K9 since 1996, S/N 002. Great gun for its time. Moved on through various others and now use a Sig 365X, about the same size as Kahr but a lot lighter and higher capacity.
Great video Chris, as usual. You read my mind after posting the DA video. I carry a Kahr CM9 because of that smoother and safer trigger. I train with a Sig P250 Sub Compact for the same reason. Love them both because they are very similar with the Sig having a hammer for added safety. But the key is that longer trigger pull. I can only shoot as fast as I can think and no faster. And yes I am commiserating along with the rest of us who love DA. We have been almost abandoned. Sig told me the other day that they have stopped selling springs for the P250 SC. I have to send my gun in to them and spend $100 every time just to have a spring put in. So I'm grateful for Kahr and grateful to you for keeping the faith.
Most of the time, my everyday carry pistol is a Ruger LCP. It is light weight and small in size and I can carry it completely undetected in my front pants pocket. It comes out smoothly from the inside the pocket holster that I designed and made myself. One thing that I especially like about this little pistol is the forward slope of the back part of the slide. It is less prone to hanging on the top of my pants pocket as I draw it. When I am not carrying it, I carry my Kahr CM40. It will also fit in most of my pant's pockets but due to the square shape of the rear portion of the slide, it is more likely to hang. I practice drawing with both pistols often and this should not be a problem. Thanks for all of your great videos.
I was at a Steel Challenge practice yesterday, and used my Kahr P380 for a few stages. I easily hit the 6” plates at 10 yards. I think regular practice with that pocket pistol, with it’s long double action pull, has made me a better shooter overall. Also, If you can’t shoot a gun at the range in front of your buddies, what makes you think you could use it under real pressure?
I am literally carrying a PM9 in a pocket holster, with a manual safety right now. I bought when I first started carrying. 9mm, 6+1rds flush fit, 7+1rds extended mag. It's a great walk around the house in shorts gun.
@@stoneofverbosity my normal carry is the sig p365 xl. I literally just carry the Kahr in my house, or when I'm doing yard work. It sits in my front right pocket with the safety on, in a pocket holster.
I have a CM9, it IMO, is the easiest micro 9 to shoot I’ve ever tried out. The longer heavier pull is more comforting for IWB carry. smooth and light DA pull is where it’s at, for unusually small pistol. The pistol is so tiny and light weight, it’s easier to carry than a belt clip tape rule, it absolutely disappears inside the waist band. Put it on and forget about it. The very limited capacity is it’s only drawback, IMO.
I have a PM9 Kahr pistol that is a great little 9mm. I usually carry 2 extra mag's. But unfortunately I noticed that unless they are in a very tight magazine carrier, they tend to allow the rounds to slip out. This is the only reason I don't use it very often. Gotta have reliable mag's to be a reliable main carry gun or backup!
i just started carrying my cm40 after buying it used 10 years ago. i had to have the smallest 40 they make. and i got it. its not bad with lighter loads but its a pocket rocket with full defensive 165 gold dots. still one of favorite little guns.
I have been carrying my Kahr cm9 daily for around 5 years and wouldn't think of grabbing anything else from my collection. My favorite holster is a custom appendix carry made by Phalanx Concealment. It completely disappears in my waistband.
I like the fact that PM9’s firing pin is fully relaxed. Make me feel safer when carrying it directly above my junk. I know a Glock is as safe. But there is always the lingering worry about a rare event of mechanical failure.
@@omarslim3362 you are right, it is partially cocked. Based on my experience with the gun, it’s about 10% cocked while Glock is about 60% cocked. If you play with pm9, the trigger reset very shortly after you start to pull the slide back. I hope 10%cocked won’t be enough to trigger the primer, but it may just be wishful thinking.
Would love to see you do a video on the DA/SA Walther P99c for a CCW! It's my current carry weapon, but I am always on the hunt for good hammer-fired options (like the Smith and Wesson CS9), because that's where my heart truly lies. The second choice for me was an HK P30sk, which I think fits the role very nicely.
My first pistol was a Walther P99as and I still own it today since 2009. it's a solid da/sa striker fire pistol. I liked the decocker button on the top of the slide and the back plate has a hole where the striker sticks out the back with a red marking you can see it or feel it, so you know if the trigger is being pulled accidentally when holstering. They make a compact version too. It's not a bad option to consider for conceal carry da/sa stikers either.
I have carried a Kahr K9 for about 15 years. Before I got it, I briefly owned a Kahr K40 in stainless. It kicked too much to be fun, so I sold it and got a K9 to carry as a BUG. I love it, and carry it every day in a pocket holster. The long trigger pull is the big safety feature, but also its biggest turn-off for a lot of folks. People used to a Glocks short reset hate the Kahr trigger, at least among my peers and colleagues. The folks that really love the smooth Kahr trigger are often the older guys like me that started out with a double action revolver. Great video, loved the analogy about the pick-up versus the El Camino. I would recommend to anyone that wants to consider a Kahr to go to a rental range that has one and take one for a test drive before buying one. The triggers are smooth, but easier to short stroke for the folks not used to it. Have a great day, Chris.
I have a Kahr CW40 and it is junk. The slide is chewing up the rails that the slide rides on. I am afraid to even fire it. I have tried to trade it but there is not a gun dealer in my area that will take them in trade. I contacted Kahr about this problem with the rails and was told that if I paid for the shipping both ways, they would take a look at the pistol. Of course, one can imagine what I told Kahr.
Great explanation of why you did not include Kahr pistols. By the way, when will we see our favorite outdoorsman Manny Mansfield? He hasn't posted a video in a while. :)
watched a couple dozen vids on kahr especially the cw45 cause i'm gonna get one. here is my take on them! out of the box rack it and hold the action open with the slide release and leave it like this for 3 days. field strip it inspect ,clean and lube per specs. NEVER rack a round in the chamber you MUST use the slide release to do this. use only fmj ammo run 3-4 hundred rounds to break it in. nobody has said this but you must carry it with a round in the chamber! why! because you CAN'T rack one into the chamber!! like with most semi autos.
2:28 I do like that you’ve incorporated that into your manual of arms. Way back when you did your double action revolver video, you were big on not buying a gun with a hammer. I replied back then that when I draw and holster my 360PD it’s with the thumb on the hammer.
I've seen some really cool restored ones, but when I was a kid, El Caminos were about as cool as PT Cruisers and every single one of them looked like a smoking pile of garbage.
@@LuckyGunner most of them still are. Most were crappy Buick v6 engines. Even still, it was mostly just a Malibu with a truck bed once the 80s variant came around. And those were just garbage. Dad had one. El Camino very overrated vehicle IMO.
A very precise and polite argument for your exclusion of Kahr. Although purchased a Kahr, we are in a perfect agreement. I must admit, from a safety perspective, I would have been happier had Kahr added a thumb safety to its CW format. I thought it very clever to introduce the El Camino versus pickup truck analogy. Mic drop!
Love my 17oz RUGER LC9S-PRO ..striker fired sweet lite 4-1/2 LB trigger ..has the safety lever in center of trigger like a Glock ..very safe to carry ..
The most important feature of a double action pistol for me is to double-strike a failure to fire. The Kahr pistols (of which I own 3) are not double action by any stretch of the imagination.
Plus Khar pistols have a trigger reset that is too long , one has to release the trigger the entire length of travel before the next shot. What a waste of such a smooth action.
Nice theory, but the cylinder rotation was never part of the math. It was two movements of the hammer or one (DA or SA, unless you have a SA/DA pistol). For fun, look up the revolving semi-auto pistol....er, revolver....uh.... whichever :)
If I didnt have the Glock 43 I would get the Kahr PM9! The PM9 is an excellent pistol! So is the CM9 which is even cheaper. I even had some of Kahrs 40 S&W pistols and they were great too!
I remember getting my Kahr PM9 after a frustrating day on the range with my Walther PPK in 2001 or 2002. The PPK would run self-defense ammo all day long but wouldn’t run with the Federal Red Box my agency gave us to qualify with. I left the range, went straight to my local gun store, and bought a PM9. I carried that gun as a backup and off-duty gun until this year (2021) when my agency removed the personally-owned option from off-duty/backup and issued everyone a 43X. I practiced with that Kahr a lot, and I sure miss it on my hip when I’m out and about!
Perfect reason to leave them out of the slim double action discussion. Definitely let us know when you find something though! I’ve been looking for a slim DA/SA pistol for a while now.
SCCY CPX-2 is hammer fired DOA and has a long 9lb trigger pull...I don't personally own one but my brother does and he's had zero problems from it. Also Kel-Tec makes the P-32 and p-3AT I have owned both and both are excellent hammer fired DOA concealed carry pistols. I think both have a 7 or 8lb pull...Granted though both Kel-Tecs are sub 9mm and sub $300 which gives stupid people pause about carrying them.
I’ve had nothing but trouble with my Kahr CW 9. Lots of light strikes and failures to fire from the get go. I sent it back to Kahr, they said they fixed it, but about 50 rounds later using the same new factory ammunition, it started doing the same thing again. For those who have had stellar and impeccable performance from theirs, I’m happy for you. For me, the Kahr pistol has not impressed me very much.
A comment from across the pond, from Germany: Thank you for the excellent explanation of DA, SA, DAO, striker-fired and hammer-fired in a short but memorable way. Also, thanks for the detailed explanation of how the trigger of Kahr pistols works exactly, so it's not a DAO trigger in the traditional sense. I had planned to eventually replace my Walther P5 Compact with a Kahr. But I won't do that after this video, because a Kahr pistol with the "fake" DAO trigger without a manual safety seems too unsafe to me. I'd rather stick with my P5 Compact. My SigSauer P365 is a pre-cocked striker-fired pistol, but of course it is the version with a manual safety, without which this pistol would also be too unsafe for me - without a manual safety, all pre-cocked striker-fired pistols say hello to the "Glock-leg". Thanks again for the video
I have the P380. It is extremely concealable. I have signed bullshit paperwork saying I won't carry a firearm at work. I haven't left my house without a gun since 1986. Three times at work I've had to pull a weapon. Never had to fire a shot. Trust me the first time is more than scary. More like horrifying.
I can't believe that you had to make this type of video. Did the folks complaining not already understand common terminologies? The El Camino analogy was spot on. These "technicality" folks are likely ones who over correct newbies on "clip" vs "magazine".
From Kahr's own website: "Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect". They state DAO. This video is an elaborate justification and re-definition of terms to explain away your error. You apparently know more about the gun than the manufacturer.
There used to be a few DAO striker fired pistols: the Taurus 24/7 was one. My daughter and I each had one in .45 ACP, and while the trigger wasn't great, it was consistent! The gun felt great in the hand and was very accurate. We finally sent them in (some pesky thing about the safety would not engage for one shot if you were touching the trigger when you engaged the safety...). They sent us back G2C's in 9mm. Nice guns, but smaller than the 24/7 .45, and NOT .45 to my daughter's disgust...I think she is getting my 24/7 OSS in .45 for Christmas...Anyway, the G2/3 line has the second strike, DA -AFTER- you tried to fire it SA on a dud round... The 24/7 had a fair bit of commercial success until the recall for the weird safety. The almost/sort of/kinda/kinda-not DA on the G2C sure took off with the commercial success G2C, G3 and G3C. I agree with you on the "safety" of the striker pistols, although to explain it to the herd of true believers is like inviting the Spanish Inquisition to tea. Considering the time spent practicing fast reloads, training to move your thumb on the safety after you draw should be simple. As for the "second strike" vs tap/rack/bang for malfunctions, on several videos (8-10?) I have seen trained reviewers have a light strike with the G2/3 line and they almost ALL pull the trigger again. It seems to be instinctive. It won't work on a Glock or similar, but if you have it pulling the trigger again is faster than T/R/B. And in all but one video the round went off the second time (really cheap ammo, certainly NOT from Lucky Gunner! {!-{>. ). Of course if the second doesn't get it then T/R/B! And while the New York Trigger is available for Glocks, Ernest Langdon suggests it is really distance not weight of pull that makes for a safe trigger. For the record i vote the Glock "safe action" is just another fancied up single action only. It may push the striker back a bit but in the end it just releases the striker, and once released, it does not do anything else. The Ruger Security 9 is the same: while the trigger actually cocks the hammer just a little bit to reach the release point, but in actuality it just has one function: it releases the hammer. Then, until the slide is cycled, nothing is going to happen. Glad I could clear that up for you! {!-{> Great video, as usual!
I tested the Taurus 24/7 for Taurus, a 5 in and a 4 in, ran 50,000 rounds through both in .45 Cal. Only had three malfunctions between the two, were deemed to be ammo related, put both those guns through hell. Sunk them in the Atlantic Ocean at a coast guard base for 30 days, no lube still fired. Awesome fun, my partner bought both of them. I took us over a year to test them and pithem through trials. By far the best and toughest guns Ive ever shot.
Paul Harrell is sitting just below the frame and Chris is getting all the guns from one single pocket of Paul's.
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Funny you mention him, I don’t recall him ever reviewing or testing a Kahr.
@@kftc1980 He did present a Kahr P40 on occasion in his earlier videos.
@@swaghauler8334 ok, can’t find it. Did he like it?
@@kftc1980 I guess. He said he carried it. Look at his first year's videos on CCW.
"It gets tedious to say so I don't do that"
*Paul Harrell has entered the chat*
Shatneresque.....pauses!! (Don't hate, I love Paul Harrell's work).
@@markh.6687 >>Don't hate
_I'll_ be the judge of that.
Rip Paul
Chris this was a very thoughtful and responsible way to let us know that giving you a hard time results in double the rate of video production ;)
Great presentation as always.
The El Camino reference is all-world. Well done, Chris. LOL
Boy he nailed with the final analogy. I own an El Camino.... a Ca-truk.... a motorized Mullet.
Mr Gambini, what's a ute?
@@christianfritz6333 two utes...
@@theophilhist6455 LOL
@@christianfritz6333 Sorry your honor; Yooouuutthhsss.
I love my Kahr CM9. I think Kahr’s biggest problem is the price. It’s hard to justify the price on some of their guns. Especially for a polymer frame, single stack pistol
in California where pickings are extremely slim they work.
This is likely much different now as I see the Cm9 for 350-400 bucks all day long now. I consider that appropriate and worth the value of the gun. Better than an Lcp, While retaining size, Yet worse than something like a kimber or sig or Glock, But theyre cheaper than those options. These Kahr Micros are a Great Middleground option for the common man, And particularly theyre an excellent starting point or excellent for Super stealth carry
What, $350 too much for you?
This is the best explanation of striker fired mechanisms I have heard. Thanks, Chris.
Chris should move on from ammo and get into the explaining business. He could go all over the country explaining stuff to everybody. The world would work better and hed make a billion bucks.
We appreciate the B-52s reference down here in ATL! Also digging that SIG P239.
I’ve owned a Kahr CW9 and a P380 for years. The pistols are identical in design. I carry whichever one I deem necessary at the time. The fact that they operate the same and feel familiar to each other is a definite plus. It’s much better than carrying two completely different pistols.
I feel like Chris is out there living in his own private Idaho.
he's underground like a wild potato
Get out of that state you're in
Eating rock lobster.
@@traillesstravelled7901 underneath the strobe light
@@seethebutter He might have to roam.
About a month ago, you did a review on the Bersa 380. I’ve carried that concealed before, and it certainly is DA/SA. Some might not consider it a reliable pistol, but I’ve never had any malfunctions with it.
Most Bersa owners have little to no issues with theirs. I've got two, a BP9cc and a Thunder 9. Both are 100%.
Just don't re-install the recoil spring backwards
I have had a Bursa Thunder for years, with only a single failure - owner induced by a weak, off hand grip. Beyond that, it’s been flawless. However, it has long been replaced for carry purposes by my Shield, both due to caliber 9mm vs .380, weight, and nearly identical size.
@@joesmythe8232 I've gotta look into that. Thanks.
@@jasonjulian1 How many rounds have you fired through them? Truthfully.
I've owned three Kahr pistols - two K9s and a T9 Elite. I sold one of the K9s to a son and still have the other two. They've been my daily carry pieces for almost 20 years now (the K9). The T9 Elite frequently goes with me when I don't need the smaller size of the K9, however, as the T9 is a little easier to shoot. They're both fantastic tools and don't preach to me about the weight. A good belt and holster and they're very comfy to carry. Both my Kahrs have amazing, smooth triggers. I can't recommend them highly enough.
I have a K40 that is my go-to CCW as well.
I totally agree. I love my Hk P2000SK LEM; however, I end up carrying my P9 with a Milt Sparks VM II more, because it's thinner and over 5 ounces lighter.
I think they look cheap, and ugly, bit I want one for some reason
@@brandonjohnson2493 The P series pistols are anything but cheap. Their overall quality is comparable to Hk and Walther, both of which I own. Much better than say a S&W Shield, Taurus etc. The C Kahr's series not as much.
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Nice ending, now I'll have that song stuck in my head all day
Same
@@TerribleName22 How many people under 30 will get the reference?
@@mgreen7063 here
🎵Bang bang, on the door baby!🎵
Bang bang, on the door!🎵
You're what!?
Tiiiiiin Roof....Rusted!
I have EDC a Kahr MK9 since 2011, absolutely one of the finest firearms I have ever owned.
Beside my Keltec P32, I have CCW'd the Kahr P9 more than anything else. Snappy recoil though for sure. An underrated pistol imo.
I shot the sub compact kahr pm9 before. It performed like my keltec pf9. Snappy recoil but it was accurate and performed well.
@@gunslinger.3573 This interests me as a PF-9 owner. I have the hogue rubber grips on mine and still can't shoot more than 30ish rounds before the pain starts affecting my accuracy. I always thought the pm9 should theoretically recoil less cause of the heavier weight and apparently very stiff slide. Can you confirm this? Is the slide any harder to rack than the PF-9?
@@iank6897 the Kahr CM 9 is way better than the Keltec. I sold my Keltec, but still have the Kahr. It has a super smooth trigger with a rolling break. It is a long pull, not too long and very easy smooth pull. The quality is way better that the Keltec also.
As far as recoil, I can shoot the Kahr all day, the super stiff recoil spring and extra weight tame the recoil of the 9mm in the Kahr CM9, which is the same as the PM9. The PM9 is more expensive due to minor, mostly cosmetic differences on the slide.
I think single stack 9's with thin grips are always going to punish the shooter. But nothing compares, again imo, to an Airweight snubnose small frame .38 revolver with full power loads. Talk about brutal. 😖
@@iank6897 I only shot about 5 rounds through the pm9. That was over 6 years ago. From what I remember the trigger felt the same and recoil was about the same as well. But I'm not too sure I can give a very accurate comparison as I only shot 5 rounds.
Thank you for following up on this. Kahr is IMHO the finest carry pistol on the market. Kahr as DAO style actions, are the safest trigger system available for a carry gun. As for holstering the gun, to quote Blackhawk Down, waving his finger, "THIS is my safety, Sir " !!!!!
Sad thing is this man has taught me a lot... Like a lot... I'm all the way across the planet and I'll never get to meet him just to say thank you... Thats sucks bro but anyway love all the way from SA 🇿🇦 ♥
It isn't sad that you've learned. Its just sad that you don't live in the USA. You wanna do it properly, you're welcome here, sir.
You're very welcome, Gareth. I've visited SA before and there's always a chance I may stop by again, so you never know!
@@LuckyGunner I can 100% relate. Greetings from Italy!
South Africans aren't euro-weenies; they are real guys.
@@RowdyRory we got our fair share of real guys here too, unfortunately we’re the minority…
I find the Kahr trigger similar to a j frame trigger. That's a good thing.
I found the lcr to be far better than both. Sold all my kahrs there's really no need to carry a single stack now adays with all the micro pistols out there that are basically the same size with more ammo
Smoother and 6-7 pounds vs 12 trigger pull
@@mychaelpierce8049 my j frame is smooth, it might be heavier then the kahr but well under 12lbs.
@Common Sense Realist I totally agree!
Mine are quite smooth, but tryas I may, I cannot discern when it's about to fire. There is zero indication.
Does the El Camino take Glock mags?
I lol'ed
I’ve had great luck with Kahr. Never a misfire. Absolute confidence with them. They are of the highest quality.
I love the longish pull on my Kahr CW9. It’s not that long and not heavy at all. Just a short, smoother than a revolver, pull made better with a Wolff reduced power striker spring. Not a true DA but a safe gun for concealed IWB carry.
My CW9 was great outside of 147gr ammo. I still want one of their steel framed 9s. For a good decade at least the entire industry was trying to outdo what Kahr had been doing already and nobody really did anything particularly better
The day that a Kahr's trigger is smoother than a S&W revolver I will buy one.
I had a CW9, I did really like the pistol. Unfortunately after about 1000+ rounds it started having trigger reset issues. I changed reset springs and a few others, didn't help. My buddy offered to buy it and solve the issue himself. Walther had the pps on sale so I basically traded for that. I do miss the Kahr though. May get the cw380 one day as a little BUG.
@@doctorwarpspeed8779 I had the same issue, sent it back to kahr and they fixed it for free.
@@mattmarzula I have a S&W model 19 that was made in late 60s and the pull on the Kahr is shorter and lighter weight. It’s subjective and the old Smith is a great gun with a very good trigger but when shooting side by side the Kahr feels smoother. New S&W revolvers I can’t comment on but I’d think the older ones have the better triggers.
Two Lucky Gunner Videos in one week. This must be my "Lucky" week!
PM9 and PM40 here. Love em both. Insanely concealable. Both needed the feed ramps polished and have been flawless since.
When you started the analogy about trucks I sat up and started pre-typing in the comment section about how wrong you are about Honda Ridgeline not being trucks. But then you switched on me and used El Camino. Carry on. You are correct. 😂😂
The original Subaru Brat (1978-1994) and VW Rabbit pickup truck (1979-1984) angrily enter the chat, and they're carrying Kahr CM9s!
And then we have the Ranchero Army, clamoring for like-truck-like status . . . ;^)
If for nothing else,this video is worth it all to get Chris to explain trigger actions.
You don’t often get a B-52’s reference in a gun video. Well done, Bearded One!
Yes, my first semi-auto carry pistols were Kahrs. Almost everything else was too big and I felt safer with that DAO trigger. Smooth and reliable, I still have my CW380 for pocket carry and my CW9 is still in the family with my son. I’d still have it but, at it’s size, it really should have double stack capacity; I much prefer a full grip to using pinky rests so it was doomed when the P365XL came out.
Depeche mode then B-52s references in the last 2. Sweet!
Well, you can have nice capacity, by carrying 2, or even 3 small Kahs. 😁
Besides, thug vermin usually come in packs of at least two, and quite often three pos's, commonly. Two 7 shot Kahrs, one in your right pocket, and one in your left, plenty of round, for multiple shots for each attacker, if needed.
You can find countless videos or other stories of multiple thugs, robbing people, or doing home invasions. A five or six young revolver or pistol, can run dry fast when facing two or three thugs out to murder you.
Crap!!! Damnable autocorrect!! I meant 5 or 6 "round" NOT "young". 😡
I love my Kahr. But I have to admit that while other gunmakers are cranking out sub compacts with sight cut outs and clown car-ing 12+ 9mm rounds in their mags, Kahrs are looking dated.
I've been saying this for YEARS and that's why i no longer own one.
I agree, I carry a sig 365 with a 12+1 and a smith and Wesson 640 5 shot .357 as a BUG
Dated looks don't matter as much as,if it works,and the,kahrs do work. I have a hellcat and,always pick my,kahr cm9 as my,9mm carry gun.
@@brandonjohnson2493 Ditto, exactly!
@@jeffpaul8260 There's nothing wrong with picking a favorite. Capacity isn't everything and in most civilian shootings even necessary. But it does give some people reassurance.
Thanks for clearing that up. We El Camino drivers often feel overlooked. Keep the great content coming!
Ah.. the hermaphrodite of vehicles
@@MilesLong556x69 Pronouns: pickup/car
I was the yahoo that bring up Kahr on the other video. The reason I brought it up is that the question you were answering included a comment about how they loved DA revolvers. The Kahr is indeed technically a single action striker fired pistol (really more of a 1.5 action since racking the slide partially cocks the striker and the trigger pull finishes cocking it before firing). But the trigger on the Kahr is the most "DA revolver" like of any pistol out there and that's why I recommended it.
Had the questioner said they were looking for a hammer fired DAO or DA/SA gun, I wouldn't have brought up the Kahr.
You weren't the only one who chimed in lol.
Yeah, there were well over 100 comments about the Kahr in the last video. The Kahr does feel kind of DA revolver-like when you shoot it. When measured with a trigger pull gauge, the weight is the same a Glock -- about 6 pounds. Most J-frames and LCRs come in around 10-12 pounds. The length of travel is about half to 2/3 of a DAO revolver. Whether that's sufficiently safe is up to you, but there is a significant difference between a Kahr and a DAO revolver trigger, despite how they may feel.
@@LuckyGunner Remember though that there was a version of the K9 made for the NYPD with a 12lb trigger.
@@Zundfolge The early NYPD Glock had a 14 lb trigger. Not sure how outliers change anything. 🤷🏻♂️
I really like my Kahr CM9. Been carrying it for a long time.
7 years carrying mine off duty and counting. You can't beat a CM9 for the price.
I love my CM9. It was my primary carry for years before mag capacities started to rise. It’s still fun to shoot and very accurate.The fact that there is essentially no break in that trigger is what people who love the gun like and interestingly it’s also what people who don’t like the gun don’t like.
Chris you nail it !!
I Love my P380 !! I just wish Karh comes out with double stack versions of their guns !!!
I don’t currently have a Kahr, but I always liked them. I had one, and it feels pretty good in the hands. I found it to be reliable and fits decently well in my hands.
I see guns like the Kahr and Glock as a 1 and 1/2 action since they have features of both like you mentioned.
100% safe so long as you don't blindly shove them into a holster without looking or clearing your garments.
Yep - and the name for that 1½ action is _pre-set striker._
I've definitely used "1.5 action" to describe them before when I was selling guns
Great clarification on action types. Fyi i love my cw45. Great pistol, has never failed to bang when i need it to
Chris is one of my favorites. Like minds think alike. I am a big fan of Pocket Pistols and Micro 9mm's. Own many and shoot weekly. I own some striker fired Pistols, Sig 365, Hellcat etc. But my favorite is the DAO STRIKER FIRED Kahr and the Beretta Nano and APX CARRY. My gosh these are great triggers. I love revolvers, but as Chris said that is a topic for another discussion. The Kahr and Nano/Carry are great! Smooth, CONTROLLED, DELIBERATE all the way through. A great asset. The Nano is the mildest shooting of all. I will NOT carry the Sig 365 or other similar guns like the Ruger series now made. Chris is one of the most honest. The NEWBIE listens to all the muck about light triggers and short resets and believe the lightest and less travel is what a competition shooter uses so that want to be the Pro. EDC is not the same.
Another great education by Chris. By the way. I love Pocket guns and he was right on the money about which guns should not be for a beginner. I have shot so many thousands of rounds out of a Pico, Kahr ETC, but would not recommend them for the typical Newbie or those that refuse to train often.
@davevabch
Curious why do you say you wouldnt carry the sig p365?
I've had a PM9 for over 20 years and a P9 and they are fantastic pistols. High quality, accurate and very reliable. Very svelte in design and easy to conceal. However, I had a P380 as a back up for several years and got rid of it. It was deadly accurate, super easy to conceal and easy to shoot. However, it was not reliable with various HP ammo and almost all ball ammo. I've found a lot of folks complain about it. My new back up is a S&W 360 PD. Thanks for sharing!
Kahr makes solid handguns for a reasonable price.
One of the best options in awful awful CA where there are few ccw pistols to choose from.
what's the difference between their C (value) series and P (premium) series?
@@lobstereleven4610 there are cosmetic differences in the area of fit and finish that involve more expensive processes, fancier rifling in the premium series, and apparently more man hours to make them work just right. With the value series, the idea is you’ll tune it up and break it in on the consumer end.
@@kftc1980 thank you!
i have dealt guns 40 years. And that was 1of the best videos I have seen.
I think the biggest unique attribute of a double-action gun is the re-strike capability. A true double-action will enable dry firing repeatedly without racking the slide. The part that Kahr is missing to be a true double-action is re-strike capability without cycling the slide. That could be done on a striker-fired handgun, but I’m not aware of any.
Appalachian, there is... On Taurus pt111/140, g2, and the g3. I think it's left off the g3 toro, and the new GX4. I have the pt111. It has a nice, short reset, then a long restrike pull, if
the slide don't cycle. That's a nice feature, although I've yet to experience a light primer strike, where I WOULD need it:)
Spot on!
You make some great points about Kahr arms! I’ve never considered a “double-action” for carry but it’s a well thought out option! Kahr CW9 sounds interesting for my next carry rotation! Thx Brother for the vid!
Chris, the El Camino thing just cracks me up.....still laughing. Well done
Boy he nailed with the final analogy. I own an El Camino.... a Ca-truk.... a motorized Mullet.
I see you're rockin' that Sig P239. Sweet. I love mine, and I have them all thanks to your video on them. So, again, thanks for alerting me to this fantastic firearm.
I've heard and agree that Karh is a "DA like" or a "similar to Double Action." I think you did pretty good in explaining that. Their trigger is the same in every model, which is neat.
Not to mention being smooth as silk!
Excellent video, and spot on about Kahr. I owned a CW9 for awhile. It was a good gun, but it had quirks that made me eager to send it down the road.
I divide striker-action pistols into two categories:
LONG STRIKER ACTION (LSA): Kahr, S&W Sigma/SD series. These are the barely cocked strikers that need a long trigger pull to cock and fire. Glock probably falls in this category too.
SHORT STRIKER ACTION (SSA): HK, XD M&P, Walther PPQ. These have fully-cocked strikers with little trigger travel needed to release the striker. These make me nervous unless they have a safety outside of the trigger dingus.
Feel free to use this....
My Kahr CM9 is what I grab when I need a small pocket pistol It is also my Church gun.
His description of double action is quite good but begins around 6:20. BATF defines the Kahr and Gock triggers as Double Action, not their marketing departments. As he describes, the striker springs in both the Kahr and Glocks are partially compressed when a round is chambered. Compression is completed only when the trigger is pulled. Like a slide safety, the gun cannot be fired unless the safety is disengaged, in these guns, the trigger is essentially a safety in that the gun cannot be fired unless the trigger is 'engaged'.
I really enjoy my CW40. Thanks for the share!!
I used to own a Kahr CM40. The trigger was the worst I've ever experienced. The pull was long, heavy, would grind like it was full of sand and would break in a different point every time. I was happy to sell it.
Put some lok slim grips on a CZ p-01 or PCR. About as slim as you can possibly get on a double stack DASA.
plus you get a high quality CZ out of it
I love your videos. No matter what the topic I always learn something new. I have been shooting for 30 years and still always struggled with a clear definition of single action or double action. This video made it so simple to understand.
Kahr makes really good quality pistols, personally I really love their products, but they haven't been innovating for a while now. If weren't for the business from restricted states like CA, IL, MA, CT and so on, I see the market is moving away from them for the last 4 to 5 years regardless of if it's a striker fire or a hammer fire, all metal or polymer or hybrid.
You should probably tell that to Glock, Sig, Springfield, and others who arrived after Kahr to make single stack pocket 9mms and sell them like hotcakes...
I have a PM9 and love to carry it. Fits everywhere. I was thinking this your whole last video. Great brand!
I like the cw380. It's a gun that needs the correct ammo and I incredibly small. Kahr makes one type of pistol really, but they make every version of quality for price that will meet any budget
Love my PM 45. Going on 10 years. Great little pistol.
I love my P380, runs steel, Spicy Hollow points (V-crown is what I use), and is dead reliable. Accurate enough I was able to get 15 yard dinner plates about half the time.
Get magguts springs in them and now you have 8+1.
I have carried my p380 for about 15 years now, drop in my pocket with good Keydets pocket holster, and have used Magguts in all my spare mags never a hiccup on them
I follow many good firearm information/review channels. I find yours among the best and look forward to all your content.
My dad, a friend, and I all own P380s. We all bought them because we are limited to California approved guns, and these are our smallest option. They shoot very good and accurate when they actually work. All three of us have had problems with them, and all three of us had to send them back for work. They have jammed in every way you can think of, from failure to feed, failure to extract, stovepipes etc. Khar wouldn’t even except them back for warranty work until they were “ broken in” with at least 500rds. This was very difficult to achieve because they would jamb every 3-5rds, and this was Obama era when 380 ammo was over a buck a round. Total disappointment for a gun that was like $600 and this was not exceptable. They seem to work now, but we don’t carry them because there is no trust in them after such a horrible experience with them in the beginning.
How to cheaply break in a new gun,
1 make sure gun is empty
2sit on couch watch favorite show
3 while watching cycle the slide continuously and that will equal several hundred rounds of use.
4 Go to range and have fun.
I've had a K9 since 1996, S/N 002. Great gun for its time. Moved on through various others and now use a Sig 365X, about the same size as Kahr but a lot lighter and higher capacity.
The K9 has a slime frame but thick rubber grip. They could make the frame thicker for double stack and choose thin grips.
Great video Chris, as usual. You read my mind after posting the DA video. I carry a Kahr CM9 because of that smoother and safer trigger. I train with a Sig P250 Sub Compact for the same reason. Love them both because they are very similar with the Sig having a hammer for added safety. But the key is that longer trigger pull. I can only shoot as fast as I can think and no faster. And yes I am commiserating along with the rest of us who love DA. We have been almost abandoned. Sig told me the other day that they have stopped selling springs for the P250 SC. I have to send my gun in to them and spend $100 every time just to have a spring put in. So I'm grateful for Kahr and grateful to you for keeping the faith.
Most of the time, my everyday carry pistol is a Ruger LCP. It is light weight and small in size and I can carry it completely undetected in my front pants pocket. It comes out smoothly from the inside the pocket holster that I designed and made myself. One thing that I especially like about this little pistol is the forward slope of the back part of the slide. It is less prone to hanging on the top of my pants pocket as I draw it. When I am not carrying it, I carry my Kahr CM40. It will also fit in most of my pant's pockets but due to the square shape of the rear portion of the slide, it is more likely to hang. I practice drawing with both pistols often and this should not be a problem. Thanks for all of your great videos.
I was at a Steel Challenge practice yesterday, and used my Kahr P380 for a few stages. I easily hit the 6” plates at 10 yards. I think regular practice with that pocket pistol, with it’s long double action pull, has made me a better shooter overall. Also, If you can’t shoot a gun at the range in front of your buddies, what makes you think you could use it under real pressure?
I am literally carrying a PM9 in a pocket holster, with a manual safety right now. I bought when I first started carrying. 9mm, 6+1rds flush fit, 7+1rds extended mag. It's a great walk around the house in shorts gun.
@@stoneofverbosity my normal carry is the sig p365 xl. I literally just carry the Kahr in my house, or when I'm doing yard work. It sits in my front right pocket with the safety on, in a pocket holster.
I have a CM9, it IMO, is the easiest micro 9 to shoot I’ve ever tried out. The longer heavier pull is more comforting for IWB carry. smooth and light DA pull is where it’s at, for unusually small pistol. The pistol is so tiny and light weight, it’s easier to carry than a belt clip tape rule, it absolutely disappears inside the waist band. Put it on and forget about it. The very limited capacity is it’s only drawback, IMO.
I have a PM9 Kahr pistol that is a great little 9mm. I usually carry 2 extra mag's. But unfortunately I noticed that unless they are in a very tight magazine carrier, they tend to allow the rounds to slip out. This is the only reason I don't use it very often. Gotta have reliable mag's to be a reliable main carry gun or backup!
My first gun was the kahr p40 aka .40cal from kahr.
Never had a problem with it..
Packing them hydra shok hollows ready to go..
i just started carrying my cm40 after buying it used 10 years ago. i had to have the smallest 40 they make. and i got it. its not bad with lighter loads but its a pocket rocket with full defensive 165 gold dots. still one of favorite little guns.
I have been carrying my Kahr cm9 daily for around 5 years and wouldn't think of grabbing anything else from my collection. My favorite holster is a custom appendix carry made by Phalanx Concealment. It completely disappears in my waistband.
I like the fact that PM9’s firing pin is fully relaxed. Make me feel safer when carrying it directly above my junk. I know a Glock is as safe. But there is always the lingering worry about a rare event of mechanical failure.
@@omarslim3362 you are right, it is partially cocked. Based on my experience with the gun, it’s about 10% cocked while Glock is about 60% cocked. If you play with pm9, the trigger reset very shortly after you start to pull the slide back. I hope 10%cocked won’t be enough to trigger the primer, but it may just be wishful thinking.
Would love to see you do a video on the DA/SA Walther P99c for a CCW! It's my current carry weapon, but I am always on the hunt for good hammer-fired options (like the Smith and Wesson CS9), because that's where my heart truly lies.
The second choice for me was an HK P30sk, which I think fits the role very nicely.
My first pistol was a Walther P99as and I still own it today since 2009. it's a solid da/sa striker fire pistol. I liked the decocker button on the top of the slide and the back plate has a hole where the striker sticks out the back with a red marking you can see it or feel it, so you know if the trigger is being pulled accidentally when holstering. They make a compact version too. It's not a bad option to consider for conceal carry da/sa stikers either.
I have carried a Kahr K9 for about 15 years. Before I got it, I briefly owned a Kahr K40 in stainless. It kicked too much to be fun, so I sold it and got a K9 to carry as a BUG. I love it, and carry it every day in a pocket holster. The long trigger pull is the big safety feature, but also its biggest turn-off for a lot of folks. People used to a Glocks short reset hate the Kahr trigger, at least among my peers and colleagues. The folks that really love the smooth Kahr trigger are often the older guys like me that started out with a double action revolver. Great video, loved the analogy about the pick-up versus the El Camino. I would recommend to anyone that wants to consider a Kahr to go to a rental range that has one and take one for a test drive before buying one. The triggers are smooth, but easier to short stroke for the folks not used to it. Have a great day, Chris.
I have a Kahr CW40 and it is junk. The slide is chewing up the rails that the slide rides on. I am afraid to even fire it. I have tried to trade it but there is not a gun dealer in my area that will take them in trade. I contacted Kahr about this problem with the rails and was told that if I paid for the shipping both ways, they would take a look at the pistol. Of course, one can imagine what I told Kahr.
Great explanation of why you did not include Kahr pistols. By the way, when will we see our favorite outdoorsman Manny Mansfield? He hasn't posted a video in a while. :)
Manny has been radio silent. We sent someone over for a wellness check, but never heard back from them, either. So we're... respecting his privacy.
watched a couple dozen vids on kahr especially the cw45 cause i'm gonna get one. here is my take on them! out of the box rack it and hold the action open with the slide release and leave it like this for 3 days. field strip it inspect ,clean and lube per specs. NEVER rack a round in the chamber you MUST use the slide release to do this. use only fmj ammo run 3-4 hundred rounds to break it in. nobody has said this but you must carry it with a round in the chamber! why! because you CAN'T rack one into the chamber!! like with most semi autos.
2:28 I do like that you’ve incorporated that into your manual of arms. Way back when you did your double action revolver video, you were big on not buying a gun with a hammer. I replied back then that when I draw and holster my 360PD it’s with the thumb on the hammer.
I LOVE the B-52 reference at the end of this video! Well done!
Also, keep the double action/single action hammer fired reviews coming. Thanks!
The fact you called the kahr an el Camino makes me want one even more. Coolest car ever made imho.
I've seen some really cool restored ones, but when I was a kid, El Caminos were about as cool as PT Cruisers and every single one of them looked like a smoking pile of garbage.
@@LuckyGunner most of them still are.
Most were crappy Buick v6 engines. Even still, it was mostly just a Malibu with a truck bed once the 80s variant came around. And those were just garbage. Dad had one.
El Camino very overrated vehicle IMO.
My grandpa had an El comino the entire time I was a kid. Not the same one, but he always drove an el comino.
Boy he nailed with the final analogy. I own a original preserved El Camino.... a Ca-truk.... a motorized Mullet.
A very precise and polite argument for your exclusion of Kahr. Although purchased a Kahr, we are in a perfect agreement. I must admit, from a safety perspective, I would have been happier had Kahr added a thumb safety to its CW format. I thought it very clever to introduce the El Camino versus pickup truck analogy. Mic drop!
Carried one for years got sick of rounds flying out of spare mag in my pocket, after market or modification of stock mag follower helps.
Finally someone who actually also carried one mentioned the mags. Those rounds really like to shit their way forward
Love my 17oz RUGER LC9S-PRO ..striker fired sweet lite 4-1/2 LB trigger ..has the safety lever in center of trigger like a Glock ..very safe to carry ..
The most important feature of a double action pistol for me is to double-strike a failure to fire. The Kahr pistols (of which I own 3) are not double action by any stretch of the imagination.
Plus Khar pistols have a trigger reset that is too long , one has to release the trigger the entire length of travel before the next shot. What a waste of such a smooth action.
Double strike is such an overrated "feature". If your pistol goes click instead of bang, proper procedure is tap-rack in case of a malfunction.
Nice analogy with the El Camino, spot on.
Also I wonder why DA revolvers aren’t considered triple action 🤔🤔🤔
Cocks hammer, ROTATES CYLINDER, and drops hammer 🤷♂️😂🤔🤔🤔
Daewo made a triple action pistol
Nice theory, but the cylinder rotation was never part of the math. It was two movements of the hammer or one (DA or SA, unless you have a SA/DA pistol).
For fun, look up the revolving semi-auto pistol....er, revolver....uh.... whichever :)
All about trigger 😎
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If I didnt have the Glock 43 I would get the Kahr PM9! The PM9 is an excellent pistol! So is the CM9 which is even cheaper. I even had some of Kahrs 40 S&W pistols and they were great too!
I remember getting my Kahr PM9 after a frustrating day on the range with my Walther PPK in 2001 or 2002. The PPK would run self-defense ammo all day long but wouldn’t run with the Federal Red Box my agency gave us to qualify with. I left the range, went straight to my local gun store, and bought a PM9. I carried that gun as a backup and off-duty gun until this year (2021) when my agency removed the personally-owned option from off-duty/backup and issued everyone a 43X. I practiced with that Kahr a lot, and I sure miss it on my hip when I’m out and about!
Perfect reason to leave them out of the slim double action discussion. Definitely let us know when you find something though! I’ve been looking for a slim DA/SA pistol for a while now.
Love kahr. Wish they would make a double stack model
Nice patch. I have one just like it
I can allways count on a concise,deliberate,and easily understood demo./review here. I thank you for all the above.👍👏💥
SCCY CPX-2 is hammer fired DOA and has a long 9lb trigger pull...I don't personally own one but my brother does and he's had zero problems from it. Also Kel-Tec makes the P-32 and p-3AT I have owned both and both are excellent hammer fired DOA concealed carry pistols. I think both have a 7 or 8lb pull...Granted though both Kel-Tecs are sub 9mm and sub $300 which gives stupid people pause about carrying them.
What gives people pause about buying them are the reliability and quality issues that Kel-Tec is notorious for.
I’ve had nothing but trouble with my Kahr CW 9. Lots of light strikes and failures to fire from the get go. I sent it back to Kahr, they said they fixed it, but about 50 rounds later using the same new factory ammunition, it started doing the same thing again. For those who have had stellar and impeccable performance from theirs, I’m happy for you. For me, the Kahr pistol has not impressed me very much.
Damm I'll probably never find a kahr at a decent price again...
I appreciate your explanation on the karr pistol and and a bunch more info you talked about, especially mentioning the El Camino😮
A comment from across the pond, from Germany: Thank you for the excellent explanation of DA, SA, DAO, striker-fired and hammer-fired in a short but memorable way. Also, thanks for the detailed explanation of how the trigger of Kahr pistols works exactly, so it's not a DAO trigger in the traditional sense. I had planned to eventually replace my Walther P5 Compact with a Kahr. But I won't do that after this video, because a Kahr pistol with the "fake" DAO trigger without a manual safety seems too unsafe to me. I'd rather stick with my P5 Compact. My SigSauer P365 is a pre-cocked striker-fired pistol, but of course it is the version with a manual safety, without which this pistol would also be too unsafe for me - without a manual safety, all pre-cocked striker-fired pistols say hello to the "Glock-leg". Thanks again for the video
I have the P380. It is extremely concealable. I have signed bullshit paperwork saying I won't carry a firearm at work. I haven't left my house without a gun since 1986. Three times at work I've had to pull a weapon. Never had to fire a shot. Trust me the first time is more than scary. More like horrifying.
I owned two Kahrs. A 9mm and 40mm They were Jam-o-matic jamfests. My two Glocks of same caliber put them to shame.
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I can't believe that you had to make this type of video. Did the folks complaining not already understand common terminologies? The El Camino analogy was spot on. These "technicality" folks are likely ones who over correct newbies on "clip" vs "magazine".
In before religious cult comments.
Cult ties or not, I think people hate Springfield more at this point, as they should.
That El Camino bit was the PERFECT analogy
From Kahr's own website: "Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect". They state DAO. This video is an elaborate justification and re-definition of terms to explain away your error. You apparently know more about the gun than the manufacturer.
There used to be a few DAO striker fired pistols: the Taurus 24/7 was one. My daughter and I each had one in .45 ACP, and while the trigger wasn't great, it was consistent! The gun felt great in the hand and was very accurate. We finally sent them in (some pesky thing about the safety would not engage for one shot if you were touching the trigger when you engaged the safety...). They sent us back G2C's in 9mm. Nice guns, but smaller than the 24/7 .45, and NOT .45 to my daughter's disgust...I think she is getting my 24/7 OSS in .45 for Christmas...Anyway, the G2/3 line has the second strike, DA -AFTER- you tried to fire it SA on a dud round...
The 24/7 had a fair bit of commercial success until the recall for the weird safety. The almost/sort of/kinda/kinda-not DA on the G2C sure took off with the commercial success G2C, G3 and G3C.
I agree with you on the "safety" of the striker pistols, although to explain it to the herd of true believers is like inviting the Spanish Inquisition to tea. Considering the time spent practicing fast reloads, training to move your thumb on the safety after you draw should be simple. As for the "second strike" vs tap/rack/bang for malfunctions, on several videos (8-10?) I have seen trained reviewers have a light strike with the G2/3 line and they almost ALL pull the trigger again. It seems to be instinctive. It won't work on a Glock or similar, but if you have it pulling the trigger again is faster than T/R/B. And in all but one video the round went off the second time (really cheap ammo, certainly NOT from Lucky Gunner! {!-{>. ). Of course if the second doesn't get it then T/R/B!
And while the New York Trigger is available for Glocks, Ernest Langdon suggests it is really distance not weight of pull that makes for a safe trigger.
For the record i vote the Glock "safe action" is just another fancied up single action only. It may push the striker back a bit but in the end it just releases the striker, and once released, it does not do anything else. The Ruger Security 9 is the same: while the trigger actually cocks the hammer just a little bit to reach the release point, but in actuality it just has one function: it releases the hammer. Then, until the slide is cycled, nothing is going to happen.
Glad I could clear that up for you! {!-{>
Great video, as usual!
I tested the Taurus 24/7 for Taurus, a 5 in and a 4 in, ran 50,000 rounds through both in .45 Cal. Only had three malfunctions between the two, were deemed to be ammo related, put both those guns through hell. Sunk them in the Atlantic Ocean at a coast guard base for 30 days, no lube still fired. Awesome fun, my partner bought both of them. I took us over a year to test them and pithem through trials. By far the best and toughest guns Ive ever shot.