I was really enjoying the video up till 16:00 when Evan finally admits that he was driving the exact speed limit to make it more “accurate“. If anyone has driven from Los Angeles to Vegas, they know the dangers of attempting to drive the speed limit. Cars will be passing you at 20 miles an hour over.😂 I appreciate the amount of self-control. It must have required to drive that speed, I don’t think I could possibly have done it myself. Even driving with a limit of 10 over is a challenge.😮 Thanks for the video!
You’re welcome! Glad you found it helpful. I was truly white-knuckling it trying to adhere to the speed limit. I do not recommend anyone else trying that it…
Pretty cool that you can do this without an obd2 plug. I'll be doing a longer road trip in October and will probably get this setup for the trip for some added piece of mind.
Get it before hand and run calibration...I wonder if that would help this route planning. You just have to drive with Enode running... something that's proving difficult for my IONIQ6.
Great video. Now I’m jealous that Enode isn’t available for my car (Genesis GV60). For now, I do have an OBD2 dongle that works really well. In my experience, ABRP always predicts on the conservative side, I always arrive with 3-12% more SOC than it predicted. As the trip progresses it adjusts the prediction and gets closer to the final value. I strongly prefer that it be conservative rather than err the other way - much less stressful that way.
Thanks! Yeah, exactly- I have no complaints if it estimates conservatively. The alternative would be a real problem. It is compatible with Hyundai, so I’m wondering if Genesis will allow for compatibility at some point?
@@goneelectric Ooh, you're right, all of the other EGMP cars are supported, both Hyundai and Kia. I was confusing this with Tronity, which does not currently support Hyundai. Now I'm wondering if the GV60 really isn't supported or if this just got left off of the compatibility page. I've just sent a support request to Enode asking for clarification. Next chance I get, I will also just try it myself and see if it works - I already have ABRP premium so I guess I have nothing to lose by trying it. Hmm, the compatibility page says that for Hyundai and Kia vehicles that activation is required (but doesn't explain how to do that), and that the "The vendor APIs are experiencing frequent issues with stability, and/or response times, or are sensitive to frequent polling. What we recommend - The user experience is expected to be degraded. If you decide to activate brands or models with this score, we suggest giving your users a heads-up about this." For your ID4 it says that the API is stable. Considering that you experienced some dropouts, maybe this isn't ready for prime time with EGMP vehicles yet. Chevrolet and Cadillac are also listed as having low stability. Interestingly, Polestar is not on the list at all (like Genesis), but Volvo is.
@@jamesrea329 Another commenter noted that the connection to his IONIQ 6 is unstable. My folks have an IONIQ 5, so I’m going to test it shortly. Thanks for the info!
@@GraysonA Using Google, I found a compatibility table on the enode web site. It was a pretty complete table but there was no information for Genesis or Polestar, every other EV brand available in the US was listed even if they weren't supported. In the past any UA-cam comment I've posted with a URL has been removed, so I didn't include the URL. Hey, I recognize your name from the GV60 forum! I'm GVJim on that forum. I thought about posting about this there but since I don't really know anything I didn't. If I hear something back from Enode support I will post to the forum.
Does this work with lat/long destinations? My destinations for work are not e911 addresses. Google maps can sometimes get me there but it’s only about 80%, it often makes errors, tells me to drive through private residences, private property, gates etc., but it’s close enough that I can figure out the missing pieces.
I think the next gen of VW EV's will be LFP and standard heat pump... In my BYD Seal, the AC has no impact and while energy density is slightly lower, the lower voltage also means you can constantly use (and charge to) 100%. These are the only reasons I didn't get a VW, because I came from one and would live another.
Dear Evan, you should state all the time your speed, otherwise we do not understand what are you seeing. Driving at different speed makes huge differences for SOC.
True, although I actually acknowledge this point in the video; I state that I was adhering to the speed limit throughout the drive. I also show my avg speed at the Baker stop.
@@goneelectric Thanks to you I learned about Enode and I've been using it for the last 24 hours. One thing I remember from your video is that you said the SOC has a minute lag. This is by design because your car's BMS will try to underreport to protect itself. For example in my car it will say SOC is 5% when it's really 10%. It wants to build a buffer and ABRP is better at reading the true charge. Again you'll notice this discrepancy the lower your SOC.
@@emrimbiemri3211 that’s great to hear! Enode has become a regular part of my driving routine. Interesting- I did not know that. Thanks for the new info!
Before Enode, I used Tronity. There are other programs for that (some are free, or at least they used to be), but in practice, OBD is by far the best because it doesn't rely on the car's connection to the server. Sometimes the car doesn't send data in real-time, so ABRP can lag behind.
The interesting thing about this is that it comes at a time where we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the need to do route planning at all regardless of your tools. I’ve been doing EV road trips for about three years and lately I find that I simply don’t need to do advance route planning. There are now enough chargers out there that I just charge when I need to and don’t have to worry about it too much. Obviously it depends on the route, and this is more true of the interstates than the back roads, but you can certainly see a point in time coming when advance EV route planning is a thing of the past. And, no, I’m not driving a Tesla.
Not sure I entirely agree. It depends on your geography quite a bit; In California, public charging is an absolute mess, and there are lots of factors for this. So, route planning enables us to plan out alternative chargers (and better chargers) relative to our SOC, which gives us peace of mind. Other places in the US have almost no public charging. I'm hoping for that public charging utopia you refer to, but I don't know how long it'll take to get there. Thanks for watching, and I appreciate you sharing!
@@goneelectric Yeah, you are probably right about the geographic variations. While I have logged thousands of miles road tripping in EVs, it has all been in the central part of the US. I have not taken any trips on either the east or west coasts, and I can see how those areas might present significantly different charging situations from the ones I have encountered.
GOMs should only make a minor adjustment when you turn on climate, then give it a minute or two instead of freaking out. Route planners should modestly anticipate climate use based on temperature, adjust range for hills and temperature and anticipate charging speed based on temperature.
Sorry but I disagree with some of your comments about Enode. For example I don’t think Enode has anything to do with the predicted charge at yours destination. ABRP does this based on your inputted mi/kw regardless of whether or not you are connected to Enode. Enode does no calculations as far as I can tell. It only gives you current readings. Yes, if connected it will show your current SOC with green bars next to it to indicate your are connected. If the bars turn red than the number is provided by ABRP itself based on its own calculation of miles driven and usage rates. Enode also does not improve the calculation of where to charge and how much to charge to, ABRP does this on its own. Again, from what I have witnessed using Enode on a 2000+ miles trip all it does is give ABRP current data, everything else is a function of ABRP with or without Enode. I also find that using an PBD II gives a more reliable connection and always remains connected. I found Enode would not update certain data often enough and at times disconnected. If I am wrong in what I have stated please let me know why and I apologize in advance but I found Enode to best much less of an improvement to ABRP than you have stated and is inferior to what and OBD II does.
Agree to disagree. Enode may not be making calculations, but since it's an API, the live data it communicates from your car should enable ABRP to more accurately adjust SOC while driving. Also, Enode provides lots of useful/helpful charging data. Your comment does spark an idea for an apples-apples test. OBD II is more stable- this is something Enode will hopefully improve on- but comes with security concerns and may also pose warranty issues. Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!
@@goneelectric I think you will see if you do an apples to apples comparison there is no difference in the data Enode vs ODBII provides.They are both pulling live (one more "live" than the other) data that lets ABRP do it's calculations. The nice thing about OBDII is that the data is instant and doesn't drop out. I don't think ODBII security concerns are as big a deal as you think. The range of BLE isn't that far and it's not active if the car isn't on. Whereas with a server connection like Enode there is a possibility of them getting breached but again I wouldn't be all that concerned about that either. In the end I think you should look at which is more reliable. Also, I was able to connect the VeePeak BLE without any issues to ABRP. Don't open the connection to Car Scanner first, I think that would interfere. Only one connection at a time. Hopefully you'll do an OBDII video soon.
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I was really enjoying the video up till 16:00 when Evan finally admits that he was driving the exact speed limit to make it more “accurate“. If anyone has driven from Los Angeles to Vegas, they know the dangers of attempting to drive the speed limit. Cars will be passing you at 20 miles an hour over.😂 I appreciate the amount of self-control. It must have required to drive that speed, I don’t think I could possibly have done it myself. Even driving with a limit of 10 over is a challenge.😮
Thanks for the video!
You’re welcome! Glad you found it helpful. I was truly white-knuckling it trying to adhere to the speed limit. I do not recommend anyone else trying that it…
Pretty cool that you can do this without an obd2 plug. I'll be doing a longer road trip in October and will probably get this setup for the trip for some added piece of mind.
Nice! The peace of mind it offers is huge.
Get it before hand and run calibration...I wonder if that would help this route planning. You just have to drive with Enode running... something that's proving difficult for my IONIQ6.
That’s interesting- my folks have an Ioniq 5, which is supposed to be compatible. I’ll have to test it on their car.
So cool, excellent video, thanks for all the information.
You’re welcome! Glad you found it useful.
Great video. Now I’m jealous that Enode isn’t available for my car (Genesis GV60). For now, I do have an OBD2 dongle that works really well. In my experience, ABRP always predicts on the conservative side, I always arrive with 3-12% more SOC than it predicted. As the trip progresses it adjusts the prediction and gets closer to the final value. I strongly prefer that it be conservative rather than err the other way - much less stressful that way.
Thanks! Yeah, exactly- I have no complaints if it estimates conservatively. The alternative would be a real problem. It is compatible with Hyundai, so I’m wondering if Genesis will allow for compatibility at some point?
@@goneelectric Ooh, you're right, all of the other EGMP cars are supported, both Hyundai and Kia. I was confusing this with Tronity, which does not currently support Hyundai. Now I'm wondering if the GV60 really isn't supported or if this just got left off of the compatibility page. I've just sent a support request to Enode asking for clarification. Next chance I get, I will also just try it myself and see if it works - I already have ABRP premium so I guess I have nothing to lose by trying it. Hmm, the compatibility page says that for Hyundai and Kia vehicles that activation is required (but doesn't explain how to do that), and that the "The vendor APIs are experiencing frequent issues with stability, and/or response times, or are sensitive to frequent polling. What we recommend - The user experience is expected to be degraded. If you decide to activate brands or models with this score, we suggest giving your users a heads-up about this." For your ID4 it says that the API is stable. Considering that you experienced some dropouts, maybe this isn't ready for prime time with EGMP vehicles yet. Chevrolet and Cadillac are also listed as having low stability. Interestingly, Polestar is not on the list at all (like Genesis), but Volvo is.
How do you know it's not available for GV60? Where is the list of cars?
@@jamesrea329 Another commenter noted that the connection to his IONIQ 6 is unstable. My folks have an IONIQ 5, so I’m going to test it shortly. Thanks for the info!
@@GraysonA Using Google, I found a compatibility table on the enode web site. It was a pretty complete table but there was no information for Genesis or Polestar, every other EV brand available in the US was listed even if they weren't supported. In the past any UA-cam comment I've posted with a URL has been removed, so I didn't include the URL. Hey, I recognize your name from the GV60 forum! I'm GVJim on that forum. I thought about posting about this there but since I don't really know anything I didn't. If I hear something back from Enode support I will post to the forum.
Does this work with lat/long destinations? My destinations for work are not e911 addresses. Google maps can sometimes get me there but it’s only about 80%, it often makes errors, tells me to drive through private residences, private property, gates etc., but it’s close enough that I can figure out the missing pieces.
I haven’t tried coordinates, so I can’t speak to how comparable it is to Google maps.
Can’t find this app in the apple app store. Was it withdrawn or renamed?
The app you need to download is called A Better Routeplanner. Once you install it and pay for premium ($5 monthly), you can connect to Enode
I think the next gen of VW EV's will be LFP and standard heat pump... In my BYD Seal, the AC has no impact and while energy density is slightly lower, the lower voltage also means you can constantly use (and charge to) 100%. These are the only reasons I didn't get a VW, because I came from one and would live another.
Dear Evan, you should state all the time your speed, otherwise we do not understand what are you seeing. Driving at different speed makes huge differences for SOC.
True, although I actually acknowledge this point in the video; I state that I was adhering to the speed limit throughout the drive. I also show my avg speed at the Baker stop.
Does enode work while the car is off? L2 charging? I
Yes and yes.
@@goneelectric Thanks to you I learned about Enode and I've been using it for the last 24 hours. One thing I remember from your video is that you said the SOC has a minute lag. This is by design because your car's BMS will try to underreport to protect itself. For example in my car it will say SOC is 5% when it's really 10%. It wants to build a buffer and ABRP is better at reading the true charge. Again you'll notice this discrepancy the lower your SOC.
@@emrimbiemri3211 that’s great to hear! Enode has become a regular part of my driving routine. Interesting- I did not know that. Thanks for the new info!
Before Enode, I used Tronity. There are other programs for that (some are free, or at least they used to be), but in practice, OBD is by far the best because it doesn't rely on the car's connection to the server. Sometimes the car doesn't send data in real-time, so ABRP can lag behind.
The interesting thing about this is that it comes at a time where we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the need to do route planning at all regardless of your tools. I’ve been doing EV road trips for about three years and lately I find that I simply don’t need to do advance route planning. There are now enough chargers out there that I just charge when I need to and don’t have to worry about it too much. Obviously it depends on the route, and this is more true of the interstates than the back roads, but you can certainly see a point in time coming when advance EV route planning is a thing of the past. And, no, I’m not driving a Tesla.
Not sure I entirely agree. It depends on your geography quite a bit; In California, public charging is an absolute mess, and there are lots of factors for this. So, route planning enables us to plan out alternative chargers (and better chargers) relative to our SOC, which gives us peace of mind. Other places in the US have almost no public charging. I'm hoping for that public charging utopia you refer to, but I don't know how long it'll take to get there. Thanks for watching, and I appreciate you sharing!
@@goneelectric Yeah, you are probably right about the geographic variations. While I have logged thousands of miles road tripping in EVs, it has all been in the central part of the US. I have not taken any trips on either the east or west coasts, and I can see how those areas might present significantly different charging situations from the ones I have encountered.
GOMs should only make a minor adjustment when you turn on climate, then give it a minute or two instead of freaking out.
Route planners should modestly anticipate climate use based on temperature, adjust range for hills and temperature and anticipate charging speed based on temperature.
Agreed!
Sorry but I disagree with some of your comments about Enode. For example I don’t think Enode has anything to do with the predicted charge at yours destination. ABRP does this based on your inputted mi/kw regardless of whether or not you are connected to Enode. Enode does no calculations as far as I can tell. It only gives you current readings. Yes, if connected it will show your current SOC with green bars next to it to indicate your are connected. If the bars turn red than the number is provided by ABRP itself based on its own calculation of miles driven and usage rates. Enode also does not improve the calculation of where to charge and how much to charge to, ABRP does this on its own. Again, from what I have witnessed using Enode on a 2000+ miles trip all it does is give ABRP current data, everything else is a function of ABRP with or without Enode. I also find that using an PBD II gives a more reliable connection and always remains connected. I found Enode would not update certain data often enough and at times disconnected. If I am wrong in what I have stated please let me know why and I apologize in advance but I found Enode to best much less of an improvement to ABRP than you have stated and is inferior to what and OBD II does.
Agree to disagree. Enode may not be making calculations, but since it's an API, the live data it communicates from your car should enable ABRP to more accurately adjust SOC while driving. Also, Enode provides lots of useful/helpful charging data. Your comment does spark an idea for an apples-apples test. OBD II is more stable- this is something Enode will hopefully improve on- but comes with security concerns and may also pose warranty issues. Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!
@@goneelectric I think you will see if you do an apples to apples comparison there is no difference in the data Enode vs ODBII provides.They are both pulling live (one more "live" than the other) data that lets ABRP do it's calculations. The nice thing about OBDII is that the data is instant and doesn't drop out.
I don't think ODBII security concerns are as big a deal as you think. The range of BLE isn't that far and it's not active if the car isn't on. Whereas with a server connection like Enode there is a possibility of them getting breached but again I wouldn't be all that concerned about that either. In the end I think you should look at which is more reliable.
Also, I was able to connect the VeePeak BLE without any issues to ABRP. Don't open the connection to Car Scanner first, I think that would interfere. Only one connection at a time.
Hopefully you'll do an OBDII video soon.
No hardware.
Users connect EV
Users sign into their OEM account using Enode’s link UI, and easily connect their EV to your app.
Users access EV data
Users instantly see EV data including State of Charge (SoC), vehicle location, range and more. This information is updated in real-time, rather than requiring users to manually input it.
Well put. Thanks for watching!