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i dont think your measurement has validity.. it is possible to bend the crank flange without bending the crank... so measurement on the flange face only reflects flange damage. how much is the actual crank deformed? it would have to be measured on the actual crank probably between the bearing caps and on the snout. isnt 5 thow max thrust allowance? and ya i suspect its bent but you cant measure it off the flange
If the hoses were brittle and worn out along with other components in the engine that also had excessive dirt, oil and grime why would you be flying the plane in that condition to begin with? Especially as a student pilot with very little experience?
@@mobiousenigma No, that is not possible. The flange is an integral component of the crank. And there is no acceptable amount of runout after a prop strike. Read the manufacturer instructions for sudden stoppage; i.e. engine stopped due to prop striking the ground.
Great video. Whenever I have had to deal with the FAA directly, I have found them to be very cordial and professional with a goal to educate and ensure FAR compliance without being punitive. If you have a good attitude and nothing to "hide", then there is no need to worry when they wish to audit something.
I really like Joe's comments as they add to the enjoyment factor of the videos! My favorite this time is about the decrepit wiring and how the alternator wiring was in need of some attention and that "this is the power to everything in your ship." Thank you Rebuild Rescue Team!
Spends about 60 sec on the issue re the FAA “busted by” at the end of the video. Pulled the ol’ reverse the title trick, to get you to watch to end lol
At my airport there are about four AP/AIs that know which way the plane flies. They are all 65-75 years old. Someone needs to suck all they know out of their heads before they die. They will be missed when they are gone. It's a huge problem in the industry. One thing I notice is they all seem like they got abused by the system. None of them are "rich" because of Aviation. None of them encourage anyone to follow them. It's really sad. It has to change. Fortunately, UA-cam seems to be the best resuscitator for it's good and bad to help the Aviation world.
@@eddwinnas When I was an FAA Inspector, I stopped counting all of the incidents and accidents I investigated at 100. (I should do a youtube episode). I need to start with some ground rules about accident/Incident investigations in the US. First, aircraft accident investigation responsibility does not belong to the FAA. FAA inspectors are in the executive branch of government; therefore, we do not come under the justice department but transportation. However, the FAA is under the oversight of Congress. the NTSB is an independent federal agency that reports directly to Congress. Therefore an aircraft accident or incident investigation is under the direct control of the NTSB. The FAA inspector is only there to provide support to the NTSB. Since this accident was severe enough to cause damage, and nobody was seriously injured, the NSTB would not come out. The FAA will delegate the on-sight investigation, explicitly answering questions in 9 areas of concern. So at this time, you are being investigated at the request of the NTSB. the FAA Inspector will then send the report to the Investigator in Charge ( IIC). Then the IIC will use the FAA Inspectors report to help determine the cause of the Accident and then report to congress. After that, the NTSB may or may not make safety recommendations. The FAA is assisting the NTSB, and the information cannot be used against the airman unless the pilot has presented with a Pilot's Bill of Rights notification. However, the NTSB wants everyone who is tasked with performing investigations. They do not want people to become defensive and do not like the FAA inspectors handing out what people mistakenly think is something like Miranda. I could do a whole other video on the Pilots Bill Of Rights. However, after the NTSB's initial investigation, anything that the FAA Inspector is doing, with the accident or incident., would be the same surveillance activity done anywhere. With that all being said, you absolutely have the right to have a lawyer represent you, but it's not helpful in the real world. The NTSB is interested in getting to the bottom of an accident. And if the FAA Inspector is more interested in obtaining evidence of a violation rather than getting to the cause. The NTSB could remove the FAA Inspector from the investigation. Because the accident scene does not belong to the FAA, any evidence gathered could not be used in an Enforcement hearing. A hearing presided over by an NTSB judge. The bottom line, before the FAA can use any testimony by the witness, that witness must receive a Pilot's Bill of Rights, which means a lawyer would be a waste of money. After that, your decision to use a lawyer is not supposed to be marked against you. In all of the accidents I investigated that did lead to enforcement cases, almost all ended in counseling or more training, and a lawyer was a waste of money. That might be another video since that is one of the classes I teach new FAA Inspectors.
@@eddwinnas It feels like it today. However, when you are dealing with the FAA, it is not a legal issue. It's regulatory compliance. The worst thing the FAA can do to you kicks you out of the pool or take some money. They cannot arrest or detain you. If you honestly did something wrong and want to comply with the rule. The FAA is mandated to give you a chance to correct the mistake. It might cost you money to obtain some retraining and time for meetings. But if you think the FAA is more about harassment than compliance, then a lawyer would be a good idea, if for any reason, to help you with the civil case against the government after recouping your time and costs. So if you are presented with a PBR from an FAA Inspector, then if that person has not provided you with the regulation that the FAA is Investigation, ask for the regulation. Then read the rule carefully. Do some honest self-evaluation and if you learn that you were not in compliance, then negotiate the compliance action. Again this is why I am used as an SME to help people get back into compliance with the rules. Not just the FAA Inspector's opinion.
As a professional pilot, I always get nervous when you hear those 3 letters. But in every dealing that I have had with them, they are really great people who love aviation and just want to make sure people are following the rules. Most(the ones I’ve dealt with were this way) don’t want to hand out violations or bust you for anything. They just want to make sure you’re operating in a safe manor. Luckily I have a whole team fixing and maintaining the planes I fly, but every time I hop up front it’s still my responsibility to make sure the plane is airworthy, and the mx and paperwork was done properly. You never want to have an accident, but it’s really awesome to see everyone is okay. Planes and parts can be replaced, but people can’t.
I just found your channel and love the channel so far. Some constructive criticism...please don't start with the dumb click bait titles and thumbnails. Your prospective audience aren't children... there's no need for poorly photoshopped handcuffs and dramatic title. This is the kind of thing that will make me unsubscribe, even if I like the channel.
This crank was obviously bent here, but when you check another crank, you will get a more accurate reading if you use the dial indicator on the machined surface that locates the prop. I'm not a plane mechanic but in a machine shop we would never trust the outside of a flange to be accurate unless it was machined all in a single setup along with the mating surfaces. Just a tip from a machinist, love the channel👍
@@mmayes9466 The flange is bent inwards in one area so that throws off the outside diameter reading as well. I doubt the crank is out by much. If the flange is removable.
Another great video!! I’ve got friends who are FAA Safety Inspectors and I almost went that route. Great guys and much responsibility and respect to all of them, even the few that might get carried away sometimes.
I have been watching for about 11 months since you first tried starting the 401 and have really enjoyed your adventures, but looking at this episode made me realise that you and your 'team' are in fact very good at taking things apart, but when are you going to start putting things together again ?
I was fixing to say they take the motor apart in one video but can put another motor back together in 11 months lol 😅it’s like watching curse of oak island already most of the time I’m fast forwarding through all the talking cause there seems to be quite a bit of it I mean a lot! Would love to see the 401 done but Jesus will be back soon and no wings will be needed then lol
This is a great video on how an accident investigation goes and the FAA does have a tough job. After forty years as an A&P thanks to Elizabeth Dole all A&Pa are considered none skilled and this they are paid like auto mechanics. There is a lot of liability and responsibilities on one so thanks for the channel and be safe.
As an IA..trying to instill in my A&Ps that work for me..This happens every day..The importance of documentation..When the dust settled..were any enforcement violations handed down?..Thanks for sharing..I see this often..ADs are not just airframe..engine and Prop..Apliances also..You must list and ensure all things are complied with..I often find..equipment added without proper docs or notes to WB..Love the show..keep up the good work..Covering more how deep they dove..would really help some of these young techs..understand how serious this really is..Thanks again!..If I ever get back to Jersey..ill swing by yalls place..I am the DOM for a 12 plane Ag operation in ks right now..
Thank you for sharing your experiences with this I think this will help others to be more comfortable when dealing with the FAA as a person who deals with them a lot I know how intimidating it can be to have them over your shoulder but just remember they are to help not get you in trouble be up front and honest with them and yourself and you will find that your experience with them will de more positive love you guys and keep up the good work
We say the same in the power industry, for nuclear plants (conventional island) when the weight of the paper is heavier than the weight of the equipment you are getting close to being able to operate the plant
Having had worked in the aerospace manufacturing industry, I have had to go through a lot of FAA compliance audits. From those experiences, that is why I will never own a plane. It was my dream as a kid to own a yellow biplane but now I am good.
@@brandoncaldwell95 I am both an A&P Mechanic and a Commercial Pilot. My lifelong goal was to own an airplane as soon as I could afford it. I saved up for 70+ years and now am too old and too short on cash to afford it. Every time I had some money saved, aircraft prices went up. That Cessna 150 that was $4,995.00 when new in 1971 is now selling for many times that amount and AVGAS is ten times higher as well. 🤑
Um... So you didn't exactly get busted - I skipped to the end of the video... "D-uh" I didn't bother to go back and watch it. I'm still subscribed but only just.
The FAA has a job to do, but they are becoming more and more of an educational agency and if you will work with them, they can provide tremendous insight. They’re not looking to make things difficult, but again they have a job and will enforce if necessary.
I got into this series when they got the 401. I had and have no idea what they did in the past. I was expecting just to watch what happens to the 401and move on. This thing has turned into a monster. Multiple planes and projects and a hanger to boot. I think these guys have a tremendous amount of skill mechanically but I'm not quite sure yet. Once we see some of these projects come to conclusion I'll know a lot more. I am what you would call a household mechanic. I haven't done much real car work since I was 18 and poor. However, I have an engineering and computer background and am willing and able to tackle anything. That's what makes this show so interesting to me. My big problem would be putting all this back together again. They must be working from a parts diagram that shows what goes where and have a parts supplier where they can get the replacement nuts and bolts, etc. Imagine what this would cost if you had to have someone else do the work? Thanks though to all of the people involved in this program.
Dont use the title mechanic without using shade tree in front of it. Especially if you admit you dont know what a service manual or parts fiche is or that you havent worked on a car since you were a teenager. But then you say your an engineer? Im a professional mechanic by trade. As well as a shop owner. Your entire comment was insulting. Which is incredibly hard to do to me.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 - Better get a dictionary. If this comment is insulting to you, you need to get a life. I've been building things all of my life and have been tearing down and rebuilding every aspect of a car since the age of 15.
I'm sure it doesn't sound like the most exciting video, but I would enjoy seeing a video of the Log Book Audit for one of the planes. It would be interesting to see the process of finding and verifying the AD compliance.
12/3/2022 From Mike Messina - Amazing work rebuilding the accidental flight problems caused. I am deeply distressed for Joe with the Pickup accident and the FAA visit but it seems all was meant for a greater purpose. Fly On my Brothers JOE/1 & 2, Sam, Jason and Crew and Log Books ! Love u Guys !
@@rebuildrescue Question, in your log book, the investigators found multiple instances of AD's that had not been done. Where would YOU have been able to look at your log book and find out what had or had not been "missed"? is there a specific database that you can have access to?
in my over 27,000 hours I have never had a accident, maybe Im just a better pilot! had a flat tire on landing and didn't loose control! ALSO AD are YOUR responsibility NO ONE ELSES!
You are 100% correct, don't have to do much investigating to see the cause of this accident, and it wasn't a flat tire, wonder where the videos is,it's a UA-cam channel,so you know its somewhere,he sure is a smooth talker though
Honesty is always the best policy, as a pilot/maintenance engineer for over 40 years, cutting the mounts in that fashion is never acceptable. As for your incident, I have landed with flat tires and or witnessed it many times, and this very much looks like a porpoised landing gone bad.
@@VaughnRhinehart why cut those expensive and hard to replace ears when you could just unbolt it? The airframe mount is different as it is beyond repair. Also it is very non-professional.
Having watched the full video I was impressed that when it came to the part about the the accident you were fully transparent about your situation with your log books etc & made a point of explaining to viewers that you now understood the rules much clearer than you previously did. I was also impressed how you took the time impress on viewers the importance of keeping them up to date also explaning that all those involved are responsible for the safety aspect of the plane & it's log books not just the owner.
@@txkent haha well im glad we got that all settled. I agree though about Joe, he seems like he would be a hoot to watch go through his day to day stuff on camera.
CLICK BAIT.... although, I'm glad I was sucked in. Very informative, and well put together. I would REALLY love to know what those AD's were in your log book. It would be fun to share, and go over what could have been avoided, and maybe what to look for as an aircraft mechanic and\or pilot. Thanks for sharing - and I hope you share more!! 😅
Nice to see a quick shot of Killa B which is now owned by Cleetus McFarland. After being constructed in Australia the car was shipped to teh US ad bought for the Cleetus McFarland youtube channel.
Yes. You're learning and educating others. Good job and thank you. Some of the best people in aviation work for ...the FAA. Sounds crazy but it's true. Be safe y'all.
Wish I would send this..though after 7min I realized what they were doing..it’s not his first time doing this in order to trick people to watching til the end…not sure if he realizes that this click baity tactics only annoy the vast majority of those watching 🤔
I work on PT6As and you would be surprised how many times an engine shows up for overhaul without current logs, times, cycles (starts and flights for AG operators). It is impossible to overhaul an engine feasibly without current logs. No logs mean no life limited rotors, they are all considered reject and must be replaced. 100's of thousands of dollars because logs aren't kept up. You are correct, it is everyone who works on the engine/airframe that is responsible for current ADs. I watch for them as I'm building and make record of it even after several others have already inspected. We have to work together to keep accidents like yours from happening.
Missed ADs can be really bad, and it's important to use multiple mechanics for Annuals, because some will be a lot more thorough than others, but each will notice things the other may not. On our last annual, new mechanic found a piper elevator cable AD that had been missed for many years, and the cable was about half worn-through
I don’t know how much longer I can watch this channel. Subscribed in the early days with the dump truck. Great, to-the-point episodes. Now all we have is a never-ending circle on a plane the original owner TRASHED and IGNORED. Now all of a sudden he’s everyone’s best friend. Very suspicious.
they are very prompt when it comes to a accdent. what if thers a major defect that effect all aircraft of that model and they all need to be grounded every second counts. of course they found it was a object in the runway and not a problem with the aircraft.
So the engine mount was damaged but the question I have is how do you know that the damage stopped there and didn't continue further into the frame? Is it possible there could be a crack or bend further into the fuselage? Is there any way to assess that?
If you followed the conversation , the whole plane goes through a full nut and bolt investigation , it does not stop at the firewall , so your question is already answered in the video .
I thank God the crash was only damage to the airplane and not you. I feel ya about the runway debris. 3 weeks ago I got 4 flats on my Suburban. All 1&1/4 inch metal screws. Several in each tire. I could not save the tires and they were only 6 month old Coopers. I did not buy road hazard as I was really strapped for cash when I bought them. What could go wrong right? And yeaah, I still want the Austin. I can see the crank is bent substantially. @10:36, my guess is 142 thou out of true. I love your dedication to fix it again the right way!
As much as the faa creates difficulty, a world without the faa would be a scary place. I can see at least a 100% increase in incidents and far more crashes resulting in loss of life.
You think you have problems now? Wait until you are an official repair station with a "Repair Station Manual." I had the pleasure of rewriting one once. The FAA came by to see how I was doing and we had a difference of opinion on how one regulation was written. I pointed out that if the reg meant what he said it did, there would be a comma in a certain place. He checked with some higher ups and I won. LOL I was asked a couple times by different FAA reps to join them and I always told them no. I would rather turn wrenches than write reports.
Well said Jason, most 'authorities' are only there to prevent things going wrong, to keep us safe. Yes there are a few who are there to give themselves jobs but often they are not regulatory authorities. Fascinating vlog, even from the other side of the pond so thanks for another insight into your work.
that is one thing i miss now that i'm stuck in a wheelchair is disk gulf. i only used mid and putters. there is a nice place to play in greenville SC the 18th hole i would only use a putter on and got lucky one time by getting a hole in one
Sorry for the accident brother! People are so distracted on their phones these days or are impatient and don't really understand when someone is going to turn. And some just want to signal just before they turn. I just don't understand how people can be so ignorant. 😑
Jason, get rid of the harbor freight dial indicator. They are ok for a general idea but the error on them compounds. Drop the money it takes and get some starrett or equal. You will not regret it and they last life times.
Hi, I'm from the government and I am here to help you! On a Sunday?!?!?! That is some dedication to go after that type of info on a Sunday..Glad things were 'sorted' out and no fines issued..
"Really wanted to help the investigators learn from my" yeah thats right. Because the government and its many agencies care about safety of anyone. Regan said the scariest words uttered are "were from the government and were here to help" The FAA's job is to prosecute and legislate. Even tho they have no lawful authority or ability to act as congress.
Paperwork is the most tedious and worst part of the job but it's also apparently a necessary part of the job. The best is when you do an inspection or function check that takes a minute but the paperwork for it takes five times as long. Hooray for Aircraft Maintenance!
The titles, clickbait narratives, and episode long ads are getting old. It’s less and less about the mission and restoring airplanes - which whatever, it’s your channel. Don’t be shocked to see people check out….
It's not just this channel. UA-cam is going that direction, if you don't "clickbait up" your video titles you won't get the same views. It sucks, I hate it too. But clicks get ads and ads pay the bills and if you want the clicks you gotta bait the title. I wish youtube evolved into a more of a reference/information source and less a revenue generating ad machine, but it is what it is. EDIT: Search for "Veritasium - Clickbait is Unreasonably Effective"
As a flight safety investigator, I would call those findings of other significance. They didn’t directly contribute to the mishap but are issues with the operation and overall safety of the aircraft. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) when something happens the entire operation is inspected.
FOD is never a good thing. Sorry for your trials and tribulations ... Joe! 😈 Glad the FAA was willing to work with you rather than against you, Jason. 😄
Very nice video. Brought back many memories working on Pipers. I worked on them for over 10 years. As a word of advice, be sure to remove the shock isolator brackets from the engine and get them NDT tested. Some engine overhaulers do not provide these brackets with their overhauled engines and you will be finding yourself scrambling to locate replacements from a junk yard. Don't ask me how I know. Lol! Actually I ran into this problem with a factory rebuilt Lyoming engine for a Piper Saratoga II and the Lycoming factory would not give back the brackets from the old engine. Just thought you should be aware of this situation. Keep up the great work!
From the way you speak of it, the FAA had the attitude of "educate and prevent" instead of coming for a pound of flesh. Also gives me more respect for aviators that have no patience for "FOD"
Oh, that 28-235 has a fixed-pitch prop! I have flown one with constant speed propeller, maybe an upgrade for the rebuild? I wonder how flying between the two compare.
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i dont think your measurement has validity.. it is possible to bend the crank flange without bending the crank... so measurement on the flange face only reflects flange damage. how much is the actual crank deformed? it would have to be measured on the actual crank probably between the bearing caps and on the snout. isnt 5 thow max thrust allowance? and ya i suspect its bent but you cant measure it off the flange
If the hoses were brittle and worn out along with other components in the engine that also had excessive dirt, oil and grime why would you be flying the plane in that condition to begin with? Especially as a student pilot with very little experience?
@@mobiousenigma No, that is not possible. The flange is an integral component of the crank. And there is no acceptable amount of runout after a prop strike. Read the manufacturer instructions for sudden stoppage; i.e. engine stopped due to prop striking the ground.
i was going to say that. yeah that engines crank is toast
also coming a+p school right now that engine at the least well need to be overhauled. but you have to brake the case and measure all the clearances
Great video. Whenever I have had to deal with the FAA directly, I have found them to be very cordial and professional with a goal to educate and ensure FAR compliance without being punitive. If you have a good attitude and nothing to "hide", then there is no need to worry when they wish to audit something.
We always get little peeks of Joe’s personality here and there but I think we got to really see it shine in this one! We love ya Joe!
He is the best !
Joes motto, you break em I fix it 🛠🧰
hes a lovely man.
Rebuild & rescue Joe some replacement teeth! The guy does a lot for you ! He deserves a "rebuild & rescue Jason! Christmas ya know !
@@gramps9838 knock it off
I really like Joe's comments as they add to the enjoyment factor of the videos! My favorite this time is about the decrepit wiring and how the alternator wiring was in need of some attention and that "this is the power to everything in your ship." Thank you Rebuild Rescue Team!
Spends about 60 sec on the issue re the FAA “busted by” at the end of the video. Pulled the ol’ reverse the title trick, to get you to watch to end lol
As a former FAA Inspector and one who teaches new inspectors at the FAA Academy, I am glad you had a positive experience.
i heard never talk to a government agent without a lawyer. Do people usually get them for the FAA like this accident?
At my airport there are about four AP/AIs that know which way the plane flies. They are all 65-75 years old. Someone needs to suck all they know out of their heads before they die. They will be missed when they are gone. It's a huge problem in the industry. One thing I notice is they all seem like they got abused by the system. None of them are "rich" because of Aviation. None of them encourage anyone to follow them. It's really sad. It has to change. Fortunately, UA-cam seems to be the best resuscitator for it's good and bad to help the Aviation world.
@@eddwinnas When I was an FAA Inspector, I stopped counting all of the incidents and accidents I investigated at 100. (I should do a youtube episode). I need to start with some ground rules about accident/Incident investigations in the US. First, aircraft accident investigation responsibility does not belong to the FAA. FAA inspectors are in the executive branch of government; therefore, we do not come under the justice department but transportation. However, the FAA is under the oversight of Congress. the NTSB is an independent federal agency that reports directly to Congress. Therefore an aircraft accident or incident investigation is under the direct control of the NTSB. The FAA inspector is only there to provide support to the NTSB. Since this accident was severe enough to cause damage, and nobody was seriously injured, the NSTB would not come out. The FAA will delegate the on-sight investigation, explicitly answering questions in 9 areas of concern. So at this time, you are being investigated at the request of the NTSB. the FAA Inspector will then send the report to the Investigator in Charge ( IIC). Then the IIC will use the FAA Inspectors report to help determine the cause of the Accident and then report to congress. After that, the NTSB may or may not make safety recommendations. The FAA is assisting the NTSB, and the information cannot be used against the airman unless the pilot has presented with a Pilot's Bill of Rights notification. However, the NTSB wants everyone who is tasked with performing investigations. They do not want people to become defensive and do not like the FAA inspectors handing out what people mistakenly think is something like Miranda. I could do a whole other video on the Pilots Bill Of Rights. However, after the NTSB's initial investigation, anything that the FAA Inspector is doing, with the accident or incident., would be the same surveillance activity done anywhere. With that all being said, you absolutely have the right to have a lawyer represent you, but it's not helpful in the real world. The NTSB is interested in getting to the bottom of an accident. And if the FAA Inspector is more interested in obtaining evidence of a violation rather than getting to the cause. The NTSB could remove the FAA Inspector from the investigation. Because the accident scene does not belong to the FAA, any evidence gathered could not be used in an Enforcement hearing. A hearing presided over by an NTSB judge. The bottom line, before the FAA can use any testimony by the witness, that witness must receive a Pilot's Bill of Rights, which means a lawyer would be a waste of money. After that, your decision to use a lawyer is not supposed to be marked against you. In all of the accidents I investigated that did lead to enforcement cases, almost all ended in counseling or more training, and a lawyer was a waste of money. That might be another video since that is one of the classes I teach new FAA Inspectors.
@@eddwinnas It feels like it today. However, when you are dealing with the FAA, it is not a legal issue. It's regulatory compliance. The worst thing the FAA can do to you kicks you out of the pool or take some money. They cannot arrest or detain you. If you honestly did something wrong and want to comply with the rule. The FAA is mandated to give you a chance to correct the mistake. It might cost you money to obtain some retraining and time for meetings. But if you think the FAA is more about harassment than compliance, then a lawyer would be a good idea, if for any reason, to help you with the civil case against the government after recouping your time and costs. So if you are presented with a PBR from an FAA Inspector, then if that person has not provided you with the regulation that the FAA is Investigation, ask for the regulation. Then read the rule carefully. Do some honest self-evaluation and if you learn that you were not in compliance, then negotiate the compliance action. Again this is why I am used as an SME to help people get back into compliance with the rules. Not just the FAA Inspector's opinion.
As a professional pilot, I always get nervous when you hear those 3 letters. But in every dealing that I have had with them, they are really great people who love aviation and just want to make sure people are following the rules. Most(the ones I’ve dealt with were this way) don’t want to hand out violations or bust you for anything. They just want to make sure you’re operating in a safe manor. Luckily I have a whole team fixing and maintaining the planes I fly, but every time I hop up front it’s still my responsibility to make sure the plane is airworthy, and the mx and paperwork was done properly. You never want to have an accident, but it’s really awesome to see everyone is okay. Planes and parts can be replaced, but people can’t.
It's not safe to operate aeroplane's in manors. This worries me regarding your knowledge of aviation safety.
Still have to be careful when FAA comes to visit. There are lots of admins that work for them that go on power trips and start revoking certificates.
Pilots are like parts, they can be replaced too.
@@jumpinjack1 pilots are usually the cheapest and easiest component on a plane to replace.
@@buckmurdock2500 lol
I just found your channel and love the channel so far. Some constructive criticism...please don't start with the dumb click bait titles and thumbnails. Your prospective audience aren't children... there's no need for poorly photoshopped handcuffs and dramatic title. This is the kind of thing that will make me unsubscribe, even if I like the channel.
I couldn't agree more! You beat me to that comment. This nonsense title drives me crackers!
You probably have not seen the fire video…
@@joemrkvicka3393 Love this channel but that was bad 😅. Think he did address it though
Strongly agree. No click bait required. Otherwise I enjoy the channel
Same here
The irony cannot be ignored. "Mr. Dent". Glad everyone was okay. That's the main thing.
I really miss working with my hands....after many years in the office it just brings me joy to see these vids...
This crank was obviously bent here, but when you check another crank, you will get a more accurate reading if you use the dial indicator on the machined surface that locates the prop. I'm not a plane mechanic but in a machine shop we would never trust the outside of a flange to be accurate unless it was machined all in a single setup along with the mating surfaces.
Just a tip from a machinist, love the channel👍
@@mmayes9466 The flange is bent inwards in one area so that throws off the outside diameter reading as well. I doubt the crank is out by much. If the flange is removable.
Another great video!! I’ve got friends who are FAA Safety Inspectors and I almost went that route. Great guys and much responsibility and respect to all of them, even the few that might get carried away sometimes.
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I have been watching for about 11 months since you first tried starting the 401 and have really enjoyed your adventures, but looking at this episode made me realise that you and your 'team' are in fact very good at taking things apart, but when are you going to start putting things together again ?
or can they put things back together ?? that is the question !! we will find out soon
@@jonbeecroft4912 it's just some spare nuts and bolts. I'm sure they weren't important.
You only have to watch these guys using tools. They know what they are doing.
I was fixing to say they take the motor apart in one video but can put another motor back together in 11 months lol 😅it’s like watching curse of oak island already most of the time I’m fast forwarding through all the talking cause there seems to be quite a bit of it I mean a lot! Would love to see the 401 done but Jesus will be back soon and no wings will be needed then lol
I watch the videos in reverse, otherwise it’s just guys taking stuff apart.
Look on the very bright side of things you get to work on restoring that plane in good health and able to walk around doing it 🙏👍
"THE MAN" ain't got nothin on the 401 crew. Keep flying and bringing us great content! ☺️
Thank you for your support Brother !
This is a great video on how an accident investigation goes and the FAA does have a tough job. After forty years as an A&P thanks to Elizabeth Dole all A&Pa are considered none skilled and this they are paid like auto mechanics. There is a lot of liability and responsibilities on one so thanks for the channel and be safe.
Not exactly true but a good example of how folks can be their own worst enemy. The Dept of Labor (DoL) SVP range score of 6-
Paper really does make planes fly. I work in aviation and if the paperwork don't jive plane don't fly. Great video glad everyone's safe.
Exactly, and thank you for your well wishes ! We are glad you stopped by the channel today👍🏼
Yeah, green paper. No $$, no flying.
As an IA..trying to instill in my A&Ps that work for me..This happens every day..The importance of documentation..When the dust settled..were any enforcement violations handed down?..Thanks for sharing..I see this often..ADs are not just airframe..engine and Prop..Apliances also..You must list and ensure all things are complied with..I often find..equipment added without proper docs or notes to WB..Love the show..keep up the good work..Covering more how deep they dove..would really help some of these young techs..understand how serious this really is..Thanks again!..If I ever get back to Jersey..ill swing by yalls place..I am the DOM for a 12 plane Ag operation in ks right now..
Joe is a legend! I'd love to see and hear more from him please. Little Joe and Big Joe maybe?
Thank you for sharing your experiences with this I think this will help others to be more comfortable when dealing with the FAA as a person who deals with them a lot I know how intimidating it can be to have them over your shoulder but just remember they are to help not get you in trouble be up front and honest with them and yourself and you will find that your experience with them will de more positive love you guys and keep up the good work
When the weight of the paper equals the weight of the airplane, only then you can go flying.
The CO has a nail bashed into his desktop. A report thicker than the height of the nail, passes the nail test. Signed off. Job done. 😉
We say the same in the power industry, for nuclear plants (conventional island) when the weight of the paper is heavier than the weight of the equipment you are getting close to being able to operate the plant
Great video, I was actually shopping for a new razor when I started to watch this and when I saw your sponsor I figured I'd give them a try...
The Cherokee 235 I flew had a constant speed prop. A real rocket as Piper blessed this iconic airplane with enough horse power.
Having had worked in the aerospace manufacturing industry, I have had to go through a lot of FAA compliance audits. From those experiences, that is why I will never own a plane. It was my dream as a kid to own a yellow biplane but now I am good.
Ya, i did the same. Just instead of working in the industry, i spoke to many owners. Its truly a nightmare IMO
@@brandoncaldwell95 I am both an A&P Mechanic and a Commercial Pilot. My lifelong goal was to own an airplane as soon as I could afford it. I saved up for 70+ years and now am too old and too short on cash to afford it. Every time I had some money saved, aircraft prices went up. That Cessna 150 that was $4,995.00 when new in 1971 is now selling for many times that amount and AVGAS is ten times higher as well. 🤑
Thank you for keeping this series interesting and entertaining!
Thank you for stopping by !
Um... So you didn't exactly get busted - I skipped to the end of the video... "D-uh" I didn't bother to go back and watch it. I'm still subscribed but only just.
The FAA has a job to do, but they are becoming more and more of an educational agency and if you will work with them, they can provide tremendous insight. They’re not looking to make things difficult, but again they have a job and will enforce if necessary.
BATFE is completely different agency, altogether.
I got into this series when they got the 401. I had and have no idea what they did in the past. I was expecting just to watch what happens to the 401and move on. This thing has turned into a monster. Multiple planes and projects and a hanger to boot. I think these guys have a tremendous amount of skill mechanically but I'm not quite sure yet. Once we see some of these projects come to conclusion I'll know a lot more. I am what you would call a household mechanic. I haven't done much real car work since I was 18 and poor. However, I have an engineering and computer background and am willing and able to tackle anything. That's what makes this show so interesting to me. My big problem would be putting all this back together again. They must be working from a parts diagram that shows what goes where and have a parts supplier where they can get the replacement nuts and bolts, etc. Imagine what this would cost if you had to have someone else do the work? Thanks though to all of the people involved in this program.
Dont use the title mechanic without using shade tree in front of it. Especially if you admit you dont know what a service manual or parts fiche is or that you havent worked on a car since you were a teenager. But then you say your an engineer? Im a professional mechanic by trade. As well as a shop owner. Your entire comment was insulting. Which is incredibly hard to do to me.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 - Better get a dictionary. If this comment is insulting to you, you need to get a life. I've been building things all of my life and have been tearing down and rebuilding every aspect of a car since the age of 15.
AP Joe Keep 'em all straight there! RC Joe keep 'er between the ditches!
I am enjoying the banter between you folk
I never would have imagined that Killa B from Cleetus would be on RR doing a nice skid!! LOL
I'm sure it doesn't sound like the most exciting video, but I would enjoy seeing a video of the Log Book Audit for one of the planes. It would be interesting to see the process of finding and verifying the AD compliance.
12/3/2022 From Mike Messina - Amazing work rebuilding the accidental flight problems caused. I am deeply distressed for Joe with the Pickup accident and the FAA visit but it seems all was meant for a greater purpose. Fly On my Brothers JOE/1 & 2, Sam, Jason and Crew and Log Books ! Love u Guys !
Thank you for your support Michael ! It means so much to us here on the channel. Hope you're doing well Brother.
Lots of work on this aircraft . Good luck!
Thank you ! We'll get it done👍🏼
@@rebuildrescue Question, in your log book, the investigators found multiple instances of AD's that had not been done. Where would YOU have been able to look at your log book and find out what had or had not been "missed"? is there a specific database that you can have access to?
Not sure that the FAA “busted you”.
Sounds like ad compliance is not properly listed in the aircraft logbook?
Thx for bringing us along. 😊😊😊
in my over 27,000 hours I have never had a accident, maybe Im just a better pilot! had a flat tire on landing and didn't loose control! ALSO AD are YOUR responsibility NO ONE ELSES!
You are 100% correct, don't have to do much investigating to see the cause of this accident, and it wasn't a flat tire, wonder where the videos is,it's a UA-cam channel,so you know its somewhere,he sure is a smooth talker though
Honesty is always the best policy, as a pilot/maintenance engineer for over 40 years, cutting the mounts in that fashion is never acceptable. As for your incident, I have landed with flat tires and or witnessed it many times, and this very much looks like a porpoised landing gone bad.
Nose strut bent kinda weird.
I'm pretty sure the mount was bent and will be replaced anyway.
What’s wrong with cutting the mount? Can you explain?
@@VaughnRhinehart why cut those expensive and hard to replace ears when you could just unbolt it? The airframe mount is different as it is beyond repair. Also it is very non-professional.
@@richarddavis9895 yes because this was a porpoise type accident.
Having watched the full video I was impressed that when it came to the part about the the accident you were fully transparent about your situation with your log books etc & made a point of explaining to viewers that you now understood the rules much clearer than you previously did. I was also impressed how you took the time impress on viewers the importance of keeping them up to date also explaning that all those involved are responsible for the safety aspect of the plane & it's log books not just the owner.
Joe needs his own channel! I'd watch that.
Only Fans here he comes!! LOL
@@warrenmichael918 oh no, not like that!
@@txkent haha well im glad we got that all settled. I agree though about Joe, he seems like he would be a hoot to watch go through his day to day stuff on camera.
CLICK BAIT.... although, I'm glad I was sucked in. Very informative, and well put together. I would REALLY love to know what those AD's were in your log book. It would be fun to share, and go over what could have been avoided, and maybe what to look for as an aircraft mechanic and\or pilot. Thanks for sharing - and I hope you share more!! 😅
Nice to see a quick shot of Killa B which is now owned by Cleetus McFarland. After being constructed in Australia the car was shipped to teh US ad bought for the Cleetus McFarland youtube channel.
hey you're just in time to be the first one to LS swap a piper 235
Thanks for the video
Thank you for watching Garry !
Yes. You're learning and educating others. Good job and thank you. Some of the best people in aviation work for ...the FAA. Sounds crazy but it's true. Be safe y'all.
The part with the FAA starts at 22:58
You saved me 22 minutes of my life
Wish I would send this..though after 7min I realized what they were doing..it’s not his first time doing this in order to trick people to watching til the end…not sure if he realizes that this click baity tactics only annoy the vast majority of those watching 🤔
When two channels I watch collide, watch Cleetus’ channel also and killa b is on there.
thanks for sharing all that you learned
Thank you for watching John
You should attach the “custom” hinge pin to the wrecked prop when you put it on the wall!
Lol
For the want of a $10 door hinge pin, a $50,000 repair bill!
That is good to know.A learning experience
Definitely!
I work on PT6As and you would be surprised how many times an engine shows up for overhaul without current logs, times, cycles (starts and flights for AG operators). It is impossible to overhaul an engine feasibly without current logs. No logs mean no life limited rotors, they are all considered reject and must be replaced. 100's of thousands of dollars because logs aren't kept up. You are correct, it is everyone who works on the engine/airframe that is responsible for current ADs. I watch for them as I'm building and make record of it even after several others have already inspected. We have to work together to keep accidents like yours from happening.
Missed ADs can be really bad, and it's important to use multiple mechanics for Annuals, because some will be a lot more thorough than others, but each will notice things the other may not.
On our last annual, new mechanic found a piper elevator cable AD that had been missed for many years, and the cable was about half worn-through
Might get copyrighted for little Joe lol
I don’t know how much longer I can watch this channel. Subscribed in the early days with the dump truck. Great, to-the-point episodes.
Now all we have is a never-ending circle on a plane the original owner TRASHED and IGNORED. Now all of a sudden he’s everyone’s best friend. Very suspicious.
Damn i didnt know the FAA could visit you on a sunday to confiscate all of your log books! Glad to see the plane is getting fixed
they are very prompt when it comes to a accdent. what if thers a major defect that effect all aircraft of that model and they all need to be grounded every second counts. of course they found it was a object in the runway and not a problem with the aircraft.
Haha, love the Killa B cameo.
Ex Aussie burnout car, now owned by Cleetus McFarland.
So the engine mount was damaged but the question I have is how do you know that the damage stopped there and didn't continue further into the frame? Is it possible there could be a crack or bend further into the fuselage? Is there any way to assess that?
Wondering if there's a frame testing equivalent to magnafluxing like how you'd test an engine block???
Agreed. I wouldn't trust it. After noticing how bent the crank was. That was a hard impact.
If you followed the conversation , the whole plane goes through a full nut and bolt investigation , it does not stop at the firewall , so your question is already answered in the video .
I thank God the crash was only damage to the airplane and not you. I feel ya about the runway debris. 3 weeks ago I got 4 flats on my Suburban. All 1&1/4 inch metal screws. Several in each tire. I could not save the tires and they were only 6 month old Coopers. I did not buy road hazard as I was really strapped for cash when I bought them. What could go wrong right? And yeaah, I still want the Austin. I can see the crank is bent substantially. @10:36, my guess is 142 thou out of true. I love your dedication to fix it again the right way!
Aw, Mr. Dent, PDR that trailer right out ;)
Hiya Jason
As much as the faa creates difficulty, a world without the faa would be a scary place. I can see at least a 100% increase in incidents and far more crashes resulting in loss of life.
You think you have problems now? Wait until you are an official repair station with a "Repair Station Manual." I had the pleasure of rewriting one once. The FAA came by to see how I was doing and we had a difference of opinion on how one regulation was written. I pointed out that if the reg meant what he said it did, there would be a comma in a certain place. He checked with some higher ups and I won. LOL I was asked a couple times by different FAA reps to join them and I always told them no. I would rather turn wrenches than write reports.
The English Major always win!
LOL...how fitting is the music? dismantle! ha!
Well said Jason, most 'authorities' are only there to prevent things going wrong, to keep us safe. Yes there are a few who are there to give themselves jobs but often they are not regulatory authorities. Fascinating vlog, even from the other side of the pond so thanks for another insight into your work.
This channel may also be known by its other, secret name of "Starting Projects"
He did what in my turbine? 😳
that is one thing i miss now that i'm stuck in a wheelchair is disk gulf. i only used mid and putters. there is a nice place to play in greenville SC the 18th hole i would only use a putter on and got lucky one time by getting a hole in one
Sorry for the accident brother! People are so distracted on their phones these days or are impatient and don't really understand when someone is going to turn. And some just want to signal just before they turn. I just don't understand how people can be so ignorant. 😑
Good tips. Makes me glad I have zero interest in ever becoming a pilot. But the series is entertaining to watch.
It is definitely a lot of work, and very time consuming ! Thank you for joining us Scott, I am glad you're here.
Excellent informative video. Love from the UK!
Thank you for stopping by !
You know I never even noticed you had a shaved head until you did this ad. Looks great!
Thank you !
18:42 KILLA-B! HEEEELL YEEEEEEEEEEAH BROTHER!
These things always seem to happen I threes - I hope you will be the exception that proves the rule. Stay safe, and loving the videos.
Thank you for your support Chris👍🏼
Jason, get rid of the harbor freight dial indicator. They are ok for a general idea but the error on them compounds. Drop the money it takes and get some starrett or equal. You will not regret it and they last life times.
Hi, I'm from the government and I am here to help you!
On a Sunday?!?!?! That is some dedication to go after that type of info on a Sunday..Glad things were 'sorted' out and no fines issued..
like the touch of the killa B burnout lol
That was neat.
"Really wanted to help the investigators learn from my" yeah thats right. Because the government and its many agencies care about safety of anyone. Regan said the scariest words uttered are "were from the government and were here to help"
The FAA's job is to prosecute and legislate. Even tho they have no lawful authority or ability to act as congress.
Public agent loves to show service when he knows it will be on television or on the internet
Really like this channel , only trouble is you’re only on once a week!
I agree 100%!!
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help".
Last famous words lol
Lets wrote another regulation now to keep you safe! Even though it has nothing to do with anything going on...
Luv the tool box,nice.
Paperwork is the most tedious and worst part of the job but it's also apparently a necessary part of the job.
The best is when you do an inspection or function check that takes a minute but the paperwork for it takes five times as long. Hooray for Aircraft Maintenance!
The titles, clickbait narratives, and episode long ads are getting old. It’s less and less about the mission and restoring airplanes - which whatever, it’s your channel. Don’t be shocked to see people check out….
Truth! Its getting old.
Exactly, I stopped watching.
I'll take the adds this man needs the money to keep these videos going.....if you have not noticed airplanes are expensive
It's not just this channel. UA-cam is going that direction, if you don't "clickbait up" your video titles you won't get the same views. It sucks, I hate it too. But clicks get ads and ads pay the bills and if you want the clicks you gotta bait the title. I wish youtube evolved into a more of a reference/information source and less a revenue generating ad machine, but it is what it is. EDIT: Search for "Veritasium - Clickbait is Unreasonably Effective"
Me too signed I'm outta here
As a flight safety investigator, I would call those findings of other significance. They didn’t directly contribute to the mishap but are issues with the operation and overall safety of the aircraft. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) when something happens the entire operation is inspected.
Ironically killa b the burnout camaro currently has a blown up engine as well....
Are there any planes in that hanger that actually fly? 😂
Thats kinda like walking into a mechanics garage and asking if ANY of the cars run isnt it? They only show us the planes they are working on
Hope all goes well with that Faa stuff thanks for another great video
Thank you Nick ! I am glad you enjoyed the episode 👍🏼
@@rebuildrescue you could modify the title ... add or a handy tip for all pilots ...
So... busted? Not really. But... I'll let this title slide. Thumb-up.
oh man, the special agent with the faa, dam, you are busted -
What is the 250HP STC for the 235 mentioned in the video? I can’t find anything about it online.
FOD is never a good thing. Sorry for your trials and tribulations ... Joe! 😈
Glad the FAA was willing to work with you rather than against you, Jason. 😄
if the faa worked agenst polits people would quit whanting to be them in a aruldy short handed field.
A saws all, looks like Weston's channel? Good luck and God Bless you in all this°!!!
Aeeee Killa bee and my boy jackstand jimmy
It's a particular sort of airman who blames his FOD. ;D
Very nice video. Brought back many memories working on Pipers. I worked on them for over 10 years. As a word of advice, be sure to remove the shock isolator brackets from the engine and get them NDT tested. Some engine overhaulers do not provide these brackets with their overhauled engines and you will be finding yourself scrambling to locate replacements from a junk yard. Don't ask me how I know. Lol! Actually I ran into this problem with a factory rebuilt Lyoming engine for a Piper Saratoga II and the Lycoming factory would not give back the brackets from the old engine. Just thought you should be aware of this situation. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching !
From the way you speak of it, the FAA had the attitude of "educate and prevent" instead of coming for a pound of flesh. Also gives me more respect for aviators that have no patience for "FOD"
Several hundred thousand dollars in airplane, 20 dollar dial indicator from Harbor Freight….. head shaking
On the annual inspection are not the ADs to be checked, great videos
FYI - You're using the same background music as Matt's Off Road Recovery. LOL
Oh, that 28-235 has a fixed-pitch prop! I have flown one with constant speed propeller, maybe an upgrade for the rebuild? I wonder how flying between the two compare.
Jason, glad you are okey!...Better the FAA and not "Blancolirio".....looking at the positive side...another Rebuild Rescue project!...
And you definitely don’t want to hear the sombre music of the AOPA case study videos
cleetus mcfarlands killa B making an appearance is pretty cool.
Well you convinced me about ever thinking in real life flying, Ill stick to computer flying thanks