Dont forget to carry a spray bottle to defog the windshield. You need heat shields. Thats less than 1lbs and will save the axle and everything else. You can use the heat shield to duct air into the disc. Just a thought, if you run brake cooling you maybe able to get away with a smaller rotor. Most racecars everything is just big enough to get the job done, even brakes. Hope you get that top 10🎉
@@_whyte.woods_1256 hmm idk I actually liked the last two episodes. definitely different wheel to wheel versus time attack, but i've enjoyed the new content...
I love your channel so much. Following the development of the cars, the focus on actual track driving and improvements, how personable and entertaining everyone is, little to no trite "youtube-ism's" or vlog style false hype. Just an absolute pleasure to watch everything you release.
Watching the adjustments and fine tuning here has got me wanting to do a track day build so bad. Tinkering and messing with settings trying to find the ever-elusive perfect set up. My brothers got a BMW 135i and I've been trying to get the "you were a great big brother" and here's a free car 😆 deal to start my project. That day hasn't come yet..... Guess I thought I was a better brother than I was. Keep up the great work, the Laguna round of GLTC was to say the least a very emotional weekend. Looking forward to the video and everything to follow. You've got a fan for life here (both Ben's btw).
Hasport shows how you should run a business. If someone breaks something, you fix the part, rather than just replacing it. Every failure is a learning experience and a development opportunity.
So glad you got the axle issue fixed. VTEC Academy has an awesome axle length test they use to ensure proper length on swapped cars. With the wheel on, jack the control arm up so the axle is level with the ground. Remove the axle nut, push the axle to full compressed. Use digital caliper to measure exle protrusion or resess. As long as the axle is 1/4" recessed or protruded, you are within perfect spec.
Don't forget about your wheel bearings. If you are overheating your axle grease you are also overheating the stock wheel bearing grease. They last longer but it's only a matter of time. Any play in your wheel bearing can cause unwanted rotor to pad contact on the straights and more heat. I use Koyo. or Sfk bearings and repack them with Neosynthetic 800 degree grease. I have been down this road many times breaking axles for years, but finally have been pretty reliable on a 500hp ef civic track car. 1. I use new aftermarket replacement axles, then Redline CV2 high temp grease and vent the outer joints. Stock grease in any axle is the main weak link (similar what you've done here) 2. Two piece front rotors reduce heat transfer from the rotor to the hub (You have these) 3. Raise the front of the car to improve the axle angle. I was frequently breaking axles in 5 gear under heavy engine and aero load after a couple hot laps. Stiffer springs also help here to keep the front from dropping so bad under aero load. 3. Ducting... The Honed Developments air guides work great at pointing air to your rotor, but also the whole knuckle and hub assembly. (if you're still breaking axles look into these) I also run these on a stock brake S2000 at COTA without any fade issues on 90+ degree days. 4. Repack wheel bearings with high temp grease. I use Neo Synthetic 800hp. If your wheel bearings have play you'll be dragging rotors on the straights and not dissipating heat.
Buy or make some front undertray diffusors to get more air directed on the front hubs/CV joints to get temps down, and more downforce as a bonus. Keep improving! hopefully the car won't fog up the wind screen when it rains :)
Realtime racing learned this. With a front undertray the axles didn’t get enough air flow. Just add some ducting to the boot area. They had the little ducting made into the undertray. I’m sure there is some images still online. The realtime integras.
Sir you are correct he was winning being first all day then on the last lap of the day he broke his gear or something on the trans still brought it in but car was hurt in waiting for the episode. losing the race 😢I was there in the stands at laguna
12:54 That does not sound dumb. Quite the opposite in fact. There is a reason for Colin Chapman having required the shift knob in every Lotus to not be more than a set distance away from the steering wheel (I think it was the length of a hand, but I am not sure). The same reason for the shifter in the Porsche Carrera GT being really far up the center console.
We've broken insane 500 axles on the street on r888s due to the rear of the engine sagging. It sagged due to a twisted rear subframe though. Once we got that squared away and added a front mid plate, its never broken an axle. We even launched it on slicks. Ps, it was a stock k20 with a m factory. And the axles were 36mm
So cool that a fwd can hold it's own in a wheel to wheel race. Really cool since there are other cars that are the best choices yet some try out different chassis to experiment. Very awesome stuff!
The finding of the key was hilarious lol reminded me of when I lost my good flashlight and blamed my 5 year for hiding it somewhere...found it a year later in the attic 😅
Nice with testing. Correct axle length is essential, needs to be mesured by removing the spring and the axle nut at the hub, then using a jack to put the suspension at different heights and cycle through the steering angles. Good quality grease is essential. Standard grease decomposes and will stop to lubricate properly.
I think Redline CV2 would be the best choice for axles. Not only is it CV rated, but it's normal operating temp goes up to 500°F. And if I remember right it can operate at peak temps of 800°F. I use it in everything. It uses a calcium sulfonate thinkener and doesn't seperate like greases using a lithium thickener. I've broken half-shafts too... but on an STI while launching. It was caused by wheel hop... a combination of a worn diff and worn coilovers. If the diff checks out it might be worthwhile to point a camera at the wheel and see what's it's doing during a track session.
Is it logical to adjust the car's weight based on the racetrack's characteristics? If you keep the power-to-weight ratio consistent and add weight for high-speed tracks where top speed matters more, you'll gain more power, leading to a higher top speed because it's constrained by aerodynamic drag. Conversely, on a slower track, you can reduce the weight to improve handling without sacrificing high-speed performance significantly.
Watching you pull weight out of the Civic took me back to when you first got the Civic and turned it into a Type R clone. Crazy to see the transformation it's gone through over the last several years. Can't wait to see it out on the track doing some more wheel-to-wheel racing!
Not a race car guy here, I’m more street performance, daily driver with a bit off oomf when I need it, saying that, iv been a subscriber of GaG for a few years now and I must say, Ben and Ben have made it interesting, it seams much more attainable to the average person (don’t want to take away the time, effort, blood and sweat of what you guys have achieved but you get where I’m coming from) Keep up the good work dudes, much love from Newcastle, North East of England
Nice video :) just wondering why you are not cutting in the front bumper to add air ducts to the front brakes. The front brakes, tires and axles would benefit from more controlled temperatures, hence making the car more consistent as you go through laps in races. This also means that you can push the car more since the temps are more controlled
the rest of the world (with o some exeptions) also uses hp, not kw. good thing to keep in mind when talking power to weight in the future. kg/hp not kg/kw.
Instead of moving the shifter which is good you should rather get the wheel closer to your arms - once again this will be a big improvement for your drving. Maybe but put and adapter to the wheel base to reach approx 80-90° angle in your arms when you hold the steering by 9 and 3 o clock
Might be a good idea to prep the cages on the outer CVs if you’re pushing them this hard. This will help prevent binding with bearings as they heat up and expand. Also use some redline grease as others have mentioned. Good luck at Laguna
I would run some ducting to the brakes if you really think they are cooking the cvs. Can’t be doing the wheel bearings a whole lot of good if that’s the case. Also, your high speed oversteer could be cause that rear wing is not far enough back to work properly.
With the axles, you said that the brakes getting hot is part of the issue. Would there be a way to get some better brake cooling as well as the changes you made?
Watching footage of some of the front runners in this race series really shows how hungry the drivers are for podium. More exciting to watch than professional racing series in many ways.
For more weight loss use dry ice pellets and remove sound deadened from the floor good additional weight loss are you allowed any brake ducting as that will help with Drive shaft heat
You can get some more weight out if you cut out all the ducting to the vents from under the dash. The dash is quite a bit lighter if you chop all of that out.
Love everything, small problem that the sound balancing (dont know if thats the right term) was off. To loud music vs to quiet talking. Nit at the same time, but habing to turn it up for talking and down at music was noticable. Also doing my algorithm part here.
Imma keep sayin this one ... both bens need to get both civic and mr2 on a open track and shake the living funk down outta them cars and break every thing thatd going to break so when u go to track and w2w then you should be good and at the least more confident in yourselves and your builds ... mad love and respect guys keep it rad stay safe and build on and above all have fun ... hope to one day run a course with yal in my shiybox big turbo forged built in my bedroom mx5 😅 just for fun and cuz we so close to each other and the tail of the 🐲 😅... l8z guys
I really do enjoy watching you guys. You do it right and when it's not, you fix it till it is. I know it's already done, but good luck at leguna (my fav track)
Hope you get a podium at Laguna Seca this year, Ben. I miss seeing you win races all the time, but I know the competition in your current class is kinda insane with 40 cars in it. Anyway, Good luck man!
I like the dampening for that rear suspension when it hit the dip. Chassis flex should be a consideration with those heavy duty components....braces to re-enforce floor might help...
Heated front windscreen if you can get them in the states. There is a company we use here on the UK that do them for all the popular rally cars including civics 👍
As much as I love you guys, you're not gonna get anywhere close to what Kutil's car can do without stripping the chassis bare and tubbing your front and rear arches to get the wheel clearance he has so you can go a lot lower. 90% of what that car can do is down to the sheer fabrication work gone into it, obviously Eric is an animal behind the wheel too, but putting the EK up next to his car is two different kettles of fish. I wanna see you do well Ben! Get that thing lower in the off season!
It was great seen you guys at laguna and can't wait for an update from your point of view and all the details. Overall what an amazing event and performance from you guys 👏
Man I love you guys. No hype - no sub par SEMA build rush - just some cool dudes playing with cars. No ego. Love it
And some awesome story telling, filming and editing skills!!!
Underrated channel IMO. One of my top 5 for sure.
Hello again, people of culture. Hope you are having a great day!
Like wise good day
Making some extra money doing flooring and watching this next to my stuff haha
Nice pfp
It’s a even better day gears and Gasoline posted
Greetings! I hope you have a great day as well!
Thanks for the shoutout homie! Now all your civic needs is an extra pair of doors!
Dont forget to carry a spray bottle to defog the windshield. You need heat shields. Thats less than 1lbs and will save the axle and everything else. You can use the heat shield to duct air into the disc. Just a thought, if you run brake cooling you maybe able to get away with a smaller rotor. Most racecars everything is just big enough to get the job done, even brakes. Hope you get that top 10🎉
I absolutely love all the quality content,it's diverse! G&G is constantly killin it!
well I'm guessing they had to do some hard pivots after the flood! ♥
The last two episodes were blah, at best. Let's be honest. They were sub par compared to last years race episodes
@@_whyte.woods_1256 hmm idk I actually liked the last two episodes. definitely different wheel to wheel versus time attack, but i've enjoyed the new content...
I love your channel so much. Following the development of the cars, the focus on actual track driving and improvements, how personable and entertaining everyone is, little to no trite "youtube-ism's" or vlog style false hype. Just an absolute pleasure to watch everything you release.
They've toned down pushing their sponsors a bit, which is also helping.
Watching the adjustments and fine tuning here has got me wanting to do a track day build so bad. Tinkering and messing with settings trying to find the ever-elusive perfect set up.
My brothers got a BMW 135i and I've been trying to get the "you were a great big brother" and here's a free car 😆 deal to start my project. That day hasn't come yet..... Guess I thought I was a better brother than I was.
Keep up the great work, the Laguna round of GLTC was to say the least a very emotional weekend. Looking forward to the video and everything to follow. You've got a fan for life here (both Ben's btw).
Hasport shows how you should run a business. If someone breaks something, you fix the part, rather than just replacing it. Every failure is a learning experience and a development opportunity.
So glad you got the axle issue fixed. VTEC Academy has an awesome axle length test they use to ensure proper length on swapped cars.
With the wheel on, jack the control arm up so the axle is level with the ground. Remove the axle nut, push the axle to full compressed. Use digital caliper to measure exle protrusion or resess.
As long as the axle is 1/4" recessed or protruded, you are within perfect spec.
Don't forget about your wheel bearings. If you are overheating your axle grease you are also overheating the stock wheel bearing grease. They last longer but it's only a matter of time. Any play in your wheel bearing can cause unwanted rotor to pad contact on the straights and more heat. I use Koyo. or Sfk bearings and repack them with Neosynthetic 800 degree grease.
I have been down this road many times breaking axles for years, but finally have been pretty reliable on a 500hp ef civic track car.
1. I use new aftermarket replacement axles, then Redline CV2 high temp grease and vent the outer joints. Stock grease in any axle is the main weak link (similar what you've done here)
2. Two piece front rotors reduce heat transfer from the rotor to the hub (You have these)
3. Raise the front of the car to improve the axle angle. I was frequently breaking axles in 5 gear under heavy engine and aero load after a couple hot laps. Stiffer springs also help here to keep the front from dropping so bad under aero load.
3. Ducting... The Honed Developments air guides work great at pointing air to your rotor, but also the whole knuckle and hub assembly. (if you're still breaking axles look into these) I also run these on a stock brake S2000 at COTA without any fade issues on 90+ degree days.
4. Repack wheel bearings with high temp grease. I use Neo Synthetic 800hp. If your wheel bearings have play you'll be dragging rotors on the straights and not dissipating heat.
Happy to see Mark getting more and more comfortable in front of the camera.
Buy or make some front undertray diffusors to get more air directed on the front hubs/CV joints to get temps down, and more downforce as a bonus. Keep improving! hopefully the car won't fog up the wind screen when it rains :)
Realtime racing learned this. With a front undertray the axles didn’t get enough air flow.
Just add some ducting to the boot area. They had the little ducting made into the undertray.
I’m sure there is some images still online. The realtime integras.
I look forward to these videos every Saturday, can't wait to see you in Laguna!!!!! ❤❤❤
Looks like the civic is dialed in for top 10 at Laguna, good luck Ben! 🔰🏁
Sir you are correct he was winning being first all day then on the last lap of the day he broke his gear or something on the trans still brought it in but car was hurt in waiting for the episode. losing the race 😢I was there in the stands at laguna
@@josef6658 😳Oh man what a bummer! I guess we'll be seeing that episode soon 😩
12:54 That does not sound dumb. Quite the opposite in fact.
There is a reason for Colin Chapman having required the shift knob in every Lotus to not be more than a set distance away from the steering wheel (I think it was the length of a hand, but I am not sure).
The same reason for the shifter in the Porsche Carrera GT being really far up the center console.
We've broken insane 500 axles on the street on r888s due to the rear of the engine sagging. It sagged due to a twisted rear subframe though. Once we got that squared away and added a front mid plate, its never broken an axle. We even launched it on slicks.
Ps, it was a stock k20 with a m factory. And the axles were 36mm
So cool that a fwd can hold it's own in a wheel to wheel race. Really cool since there are other cars that are the best choices yet some try out different chassis to experiment. Very awesome stuff!
Luke, Andy, Coby and now Mark are hidden gems of G&G
The finding of the key was hilarious lol reminded me of when I lost my good flashlight and blamed my 5 year for hiding it somewhere...found it a year later in the attic 😅
Nice with testing. Correct axle length is essential, needs to be mesured by removing the spring and the axle nut at the hub, then using a jack to put the suspension at different heights and cycle through the steering angles. Good quality grease is essential. Standard grease decomposes and will stop to lubricate properly.
I love my Saturday mornings
Love the Nitty-Gritty refinements. It's beautiful to watch!
I think Redline CV2 would be the best choice for axles. Not only is it CV rated, but it's normal operating temp goes up to 500°F. And if I remember right it can operate at peak temps of 800°F. I use it in everything. It uses a calcium sulfonate thinkener and doesn't seperate like greases using a lithium thickener.
I've broken half-shafts too... but on an STI while launching. It was caused by wheel hop... a combination of a worn diff and worn coilovers. If the diff checks out it might be worthwhile to point a camera at the wheel and see what's it's doing during a track session.
Dang, that stool-seat seems a little high for the pedals. Shifters seems about right tho
Excellent music choices as always. 👌
Love the track series & builds! Can’t wait for the next!
Love to hear about all the great things going on with the civic. Seems like a lot of fun!!
Mark is the Guido of G&G.
“Pit stop😎”
Is it logical to adjust the car's weight based on the racetrack's characteristics?
If you keep the power-to-weight ratio consistent and add weight for high-speed tracks where top speed matters more, you'll gain more power, leading to a higher top speed because it's constrained by aerodynamic drag.
Conversely, on a slower track, you can reduce the weight to improve handling without sacrificing high-speed performance significantly.
Watching you pull weight out of the Civic took me back to when you first got the Civic and turned it into a Type R clone. Crazy to see the transformation it's gone through over the last several years. Can't wait to see it out on the track doing some more wheel-to-wheel racing!
Nice work. 😎
If you have heatshield behind the brakediscs you will reduce wear and overheat on driveshaft and balljoints. 👌🏼
Not a race car guy here, I’m more street performance, daily driver with a bit off oomf when I need it, saying that, iv been a subscriber of GaG for a few years now and I must say, Ben and Ben have made it interesting, it seams much more attainable to the average person (don’t want to take away the time, effort, blood and sweat of what you guys have achieved but you get where I’m coming from) Keep up the good work dudes, much love from Newcastle, North East of England
Nice video :) just wondering why you are not cutting in the front bumper to add air ducts to the front brakes. The front brakes, tires and axles would benefit from more controlled temperatures, hence making the car more consistent as you go through laps in races. This also means that you can push the car more since the temps are more controlled
a lot of changes to the car at once, best of luck
the rest of the world (with o
some exeptions) also uses hp, not kw. good thing to keep in mind when talking power to weight in the future. kg/hp not kg/kw.
Instead of moving the shifter which is good you should rather get the wheel closer to your arms - once again this will be a big improvement for your drving. Maybe but put and adapter to the wheel base to reach approx 80-90° angle in your arms when you hold the steering by 9 and 3 o clock
Front splitter generally increases overall downforce, not just front.
Might be a good idea to prep the cages on the outer CVs if you’re pushing them this hard. This will help prevent binding with bearings as they heat up and expand. Also use some redline grease as others have mentioned. Good luck at Laguna
Pumped for laguna seca! cant wait to see how things go. keep up the hard work guys!
I would run some ducting to the brakes if you really think they are cooking the cvs. Can’t be doing the wheel bearings a whole lot of good if that’s the case. Also, your high speed oversteer could be cause that rear wing is not far enough back to work properly.
of course youre using an acuity shifter lol ive been following them for many months and i always wondered why Ben hasnt been using one uptil now
With the axles, you said that the brakes getting hot is part of the issue. Would there be a way to get some better brake cooling as well as the changes you made?
1.1 million views in 5 hours. So glad to see you guys grow so much in these years and looking forward for Mazda Laguna seca.
43k views. 1.1m is the subscribers
@@trashbandit2449 oh my bad 😂
@@TinoushGTR I was going to say that's crazy I didn't think they were on that level yet haha
@@trashbandit2449 i hope one day :)
Have you thought about running brake ducts to promote hub and brake cooling?
I have been running that acuity shifter in my L15B7 swapped EK hatch, and what a difference it makes!!
Can't wait for Laguna. The hype is REAL!
Watching footage of some of the front runners in this race series really shows how hungry the drivers are for podium. More exciting to watch than professional racing series in many ways.
Tire width to weight ratio sounds a lot like the standardized grip to weight ratio in MF Ghost...
For more weight loss use dry ice pellets and remove sound deadened from the floor good additional weight loss are you allowed any brake ducting as that will help with Drive shaft heat
It’s curbs that are doing it. It’s common on all cars that run on the curbs at track. (Kerbs for Americans)
Absolutely love your videos. Desperately need a new roadtrip series
Ya i had an ek hatch and to make it lighter i got an eg hatch instead which also fixed the huge rust problem as a bonus
You can get some more weight out if you cut out all the ducting to the vents from under the dash. The dash is quite a bit lighter if you chop all of that out.
Redline CV2 and Axle play check with the nut removed on the bump/droop height when the axles are most horizontal position 👌🏻 good video again 👌🏻
I have that shifter setup in my 18 civic SI since I bought the car. It's really good.
for supertouring car racing they found longer wheel base was best, that why all last years all manufactures used accords/camries/e36 etc
Love everything, small problem that the sound balancing (dont know if thats the right term) was off. To loud music vs to quiet talking. Nit at the same time, but habing to turn it up for talking and down at music was noticable. Also doing my algorithm part here.
Been watching from the beginning you guys have grown keep it up bro
Great video please turn the music down though
i love that civic man , its so good. Been watching the progress since you got it
You guys killed it at Laguna seca holding that 1st position for so long until the last lap 😢
Loving this channel more and more
Imma keep sayin this one ... both bens need to get both civic and mr2 on a open track and shake the living funk down outta them cars and break every thing thatd going to break so when u go to track and w2w then you should be good and at the least more confident in yourselves and your builds ... mad love and respect guys keep it rad stay safe and build on and above all have fun ... hope to one day run a course with yal in my shiybox big turbo forged built in my bedroom mx5 😅 just for fun and cuz we so close to each other and the tail of the 🐲 😅... l8z guys
Hope you guys accounted for exhaust dB. Because Laguna has strict restrictions
Still so happy you’re here with us Ben, I wish you the best of health.
So glad to see you racing bro!! U deserve it!!
you could add brake ducting to get the temps down
I’m very much looking forward to Laguna!
This is the best Civic in the world 😊 I love this project ❤
Love that we can see the ZX2 in the background, hope it'll be back in the channel soon, maybe as a competition against Lin's Evo
Also can run a brake vent duct to the brakes and hubs
If the passenger side does not work you can use a 2003-2006 passenger side axle it’s longer. I had issue with my Ek k24a2
The series I race in announced a TBA Laguna Seca event and I’m so excited. Take good notes for me Ben!! Have fun!
Cant believe this content is free and full of knowledge
your videos are so interesting I can't see the time passing! well done !...I'm late for work now!
Thanks for showing us week after week that racing is and forever will be a pipe dream for the average person! Love the content!
I really do enjoy watching you guys. You do it right and when it's not, you fix it till it is. I know it's already done, but good luck at leguna (my fav track)
Love the pacing on these videos!
I absolutely love these racing videos and that civic!
Always an inspiration, guys!!! Keep up the great content!!!
Still my favorite channel!
I need to start all my SCCA licensings process so i can drive wheel to wheel
CAN YOU RUN UNDER AERO IN GRID??? full tray, diffusor, etc.
Hope you get a podium at Laguna Seca this year, Ben. I miss seeing you win races all the time, but I know the competition in your current class is kinda insane with 40 cars in it. Anyway, Good luck man!
I like the dampening for that rear suspension when it hit the dip. Chassis flex should be a consideration with those heavy duty components....braces to re-enforce floor might help...
Love the weight redux montage
Can't wait for Laguna seca vid!
Good luck out here, dude!
Nice video! I have a tip for you, in Portugal we use Land Rover Grease in our rally cars for the heat! Best grease for high temps
The civic is becoming such a proper race car. Can't wait to see what it does in the actual race 👍
Every weekend i am just looking forward to G&G!
That drift at lime rock is honestly a thing of beauty
The drift at Laguna seca even better
I love that this channel has grown to be more track and performance focused. Y’all seem like you’re in your element more here.
Heated front windscreen if you can get them in the states. There is a company we use here on the UK that do them for all the popular rally cars including civics 👍
Keep pushing! Love watching the progression and wishing you the best at the next round 👍🏻
As much as I love you guys, you're not gonna get anywhere close to what Kutil's car can do without stripping the chassis bare and tubbing your front and rear arches to get the wheel clearance he has so you can go a lot lower. 90% of what that car can do is down to the sheer fabrication work gone into it, obviously Eric is an animal behind the wheel too, but putting the EK up next to his car is two different kettles of fish.
I wanna see you do well Ben! Get that thing lower in the off season!
It was great seen you guys at laguna and can't wait for an update from your point of view and all the details.
Overall what an amazing event and performance from you guys 👏
I love these videos. Will we see more of the NA Miata that can be seen in the background of some of the shots?
More brake cooling would improve hub/axle temps too
Anytime I see the ford peeking from the corners of the videos it puts a smile on my face