yeah, i have a full Korean bbq going in the cinema, with a side dish of Pho with raw beef... I get weird looks but Im sure its cause they are jealous 🙃
I like the slap. Firstly, Chani is emotional because she thought she had just lost Paul. Secondly, she was forced by the Bene Gesserit voice to participate in a prophecy designed to control her people which makes her angry. Most importantly, she realizes that Paul waited to open his eyes after the poison transmutation was complete so that the prophecy could be fulfilled. This is Paul’s first active attempt to manipulate the Fremen and Chani recognizes that. The slap is to a certain extent a substitute for the death of Paul and Chani’s child in the book. It is meant to convey that Paul has changed because he is unfazed that he might loose Chani. Paul Atreides after he takes the water of life has clear vision of the future and embarks on the “Golden Path” to save humanity from extinction. Paul is NOT a hero because he is willing to go ahead with the Jihad and manipulate the fremen to save humanity in the long run. For me, the ends NEVER justify the means. People tend to dislike Chani because she is in opposition to Paul, the “hero” of Dune, after he takes the water of life. Dune is not the traditional hero’s journey that so many people want it to be. I would say that Paul is a traditional hero until he takes the water of life which is exactly when Chani turns against him in the movie. Paul and Leto II’s actions in service of the “Golden Path” deserve to be criticized. Villeneuve uses Chani as both a vessel to criticize Paul after the water of life and as a vessel to emphasize Frank Herbert’s warning about false messiahs and the power of prophecies to manipulate people. Sorry for the long winded rant. That’s just my interpretation of Dune and I would love to hear all of your thoughts as well. ❤
You’re right about all the fact. HOWEVER, to say it is a basic rule in morality that the ends never justify the means, is a massively misleading statement. It has been the topic of ethical debate since time began. Most famously, of Kantian ethics (where the ends never justify the means) versus the Utilitarian view (particularly Jeremy Bentham) where they believe that ethical decisions should be made so that there is “the greatest good, for the greatest number” meaning that even if the means of achieving something good are categorically immoral, it is alright if the outcome is the best if could possibly be. In summary, it’s a matter of opinion that you think Paul is not a hero, it’s not objective
@@stephengrant4841 yes however Paul is trained to do that now that he Has access to all his other memories and visions. I think he did it on purpose to fulfill the prophecy to convince everyone.
I'm really digging Chani's interpretation in this version of Dune. The actress really delivers on Villeneuve's Chani. I had feared she's be just another mary sue.
It's not the tears, it's the water of life that woke Paul up. Chani's tears are merely a theatric performance by Jessica to make Paul's "revival" fit with the prophecy.
In my head canon, the tears mixed with the water of life made Paul come back and take her destiny or path because his battle in part two mirrors his vision of the battle in part one, but he see Chani's doing the same moves he does...
Poison transmutation. All adept bene gesserit have to learn it. They can break down anything from poisons, toxins and harmful microbes at higher levels.
@@derek96720 Yeah, but don't you forget he was a very thirsty boi for Chani and her waters of life in the 1st part. So much so that he was having "dry" dreams.
It's a made up prophecy lol he wasn't really dead he was just stuck in the "dreams". he can transmutate poison by himself with bene gesserit training. its a staged play to fulfill the made up prophecy for the Fremen to believe he is the one
Chani se da cuenta que el estaba fingiendo su muerte hasta que ella llegara para hacer "cumplir" la profesía. Ella se da cuenta que ellos la manipularon y por eso le da la cachetada a Paul. En el libro no existe esa parte, pero ella le "ayuda" a despertar.
@@Filmart255 I doubt Jessica actually knew, she doesn't in the book. It goes more or less the same in the book, Chani just gets lucky with her attempt being right
I don't understand these scene Does Paul pretend to be dead? So his Mother can force Chani to perform the ritual, fulfilling the prophecy If so, does Chain fall in love with Paul and vice versa not organic?
No, he's not dead but he isn't pretending. His vitals are so low that only Jessica could detect them, so as far as anyone else knew he was dead. He was just deep into visions, basically in a trance.
She slaps the Fremen messiah in the face and everyone is ok with that? I understand that Denis Villenueve wanted to give Chani more prominence, but no religious group would allow such an attitude
That was lover’s slap…I think Denis wanted to show how emotional chani loves Paul,even at the end scene she was mad after knowing Paul will take the princess as her bride
@@Filmart255 If this is the case, the director has relied too much on the suppression of disbelief. A group of religious fundamentalists would never allow anyone to attack their messiah and get away with it.
i didn’t see any weakness there,she was strong to ask everyone what happened and even yelled at stilgar and paul’s mother,she was just emotional because of Love i think
@@Filmart255 Never said she was weak here, but they act like she was not a strong character in the other versions so they made her angry all the time in this version. Chani totally supported Paul but they have changed her character just to make her seem more what? More human? The change makes no sense.
@@GamerKatz_1971 I think it''s a choice in adaptation. They wanted to show someone resisting Paul's transformation into a dark messiah, besides paul himself. Of the main characters in the movie, who makes the most sense to fill that role? Stilgar is filling the role as the fanatic, Jessica is the manipulator, I guess you could argue Gurney could have been a voice of reason. It hits the hardest if the person most devastated by Paul's ascension as the Lisan Al-Gaib to be the one who loves him as himself. Which It makes it more tragic. The movie is also on a much faster timeline then the books. Paul and Chani don't have their first kid, they technically haven't been together that long. If we put book Chani next to movie Chani, does her role in future movies or her ultimate role in the story change? I don't think it does. It gives Chani more to do as a character, and more to do for zendaya as an actress. You don't have to agree with decision, but I think in the context of this movie as an adaptation I think it makes sense.
@@GamerKatz_1971 Since you don't have access to paul's internal monologue in the film they altered her character to be more in line with book paul's monologue
She can't. Although this is scene was the one bit of credit I could give her because it was satisfying to see someone call Jessica out on her bullshit!
I really couldn't stand Zendaya in this film, she just cant act....she is either staring intently or scolding in ever scene. That is the limit of her facial expressions... An i really like her, just not for this role.
Dear, talk to the director about that😄.You clearly don't how this works,do you think she is the one who directs the movie.why you hating the actor for?you couldn't even distinguish between the story and reality. Edit:haha ,sorry I don't know what came over me after reading many of the comments .After calming down,I was just speechless,I'm truly sorry 😞.but what you said about her not being able to act is not true.its just different, that's how the director wanted it.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby I agree with the OP, but it's not Zendaya's fault, she was cast and directed, and these scenes were chosen for the final cut. The fault isn't with her, but with the director. I just felt like she was just... ok.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby its the acting, her role in spiderman was horrendous...she just lacks the experience is all. Most of the great youngest actors started much much earlier in their lives and by the time they get to her age they have a wealth of experience and knowledge behind them.The reason she was cast is because she is the falvour of the month on hollywood and thats it.
@@brokenman58I don't think so tho. I think she was pissed off because of how emotional she was over paul being in such a condition. Because he took such a dangerous step while keeping her in the dark.I don't think it was because of the prophecy or anything at least in this scene.
@@MooseBear-ob2wh No woke is making her character different from the books for some kind of woman's empowerment stunt. Which might be fine here because there is still a 3rd movie and they might rectify it. Chani returns to Paul and has his children. There is enough going on in Dune: Messiah than having a stupid b-plot line with Chani fighting Paul's uprising.
@@JohnDoe-po3ku like an altered state of consciousness that he was stuck in. It went differently in the book. I like what they did in the movie and I am interested to see where they take it, but in the book Chani is different, she is supportive of Paul and doesn’t freak out when he becomes Lissan Al Gaib. She doesn’t leave at the end.
@@wondawomenluvsupaman I think without Chani being different it would have been harder to get across how the fremen are being exploited by Paul and Jessica. Like Denis Villeneuve said, more faithful to Frank Herberts vision
@@JohnDoe-po3ku Yeah in that regard, while deviating from the book, this movie actually ends up nailing the core theme of Dune far better than the Lynch movie did. I still don't like the deviation with her character, but it serves the story for this medium in that regard
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Stilgar be like: "yeah that boy dead... whAT oops LISAN AL GAIB as written"
😂 Especialy when in the movie it mentions it would not be the the first time, some guy mentions he believed in others before and all died
“THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED” 🗣🗣⁉️🔥
most people in the cinema jumped out of their seats when Paul opened his eyes and the Dune music kicked in. I silently breathed out pho ch
wow you watched it in cinema😮,i feel jealous for you😅
@@Filmart255 maybe Dune on Imax is still on in your country... worth the watch... 😬
what? they let you eat Pho in the cinema?
yeah, i have a full Korean bbq going in the cinema, with a side dish of Pho with raw beef... I get weird looks but Im sure its cause they are jealous 🙃
😂@@mnm8818
Chani was absolutely right, his mother was insane, making his son drink
That slap sounded like 'shots fired' in IMAX!
I like the slap. Firstly, Chani is emotional because she thought she had just lost Paul. Secondly, she was forced by the Bene Gesserit voice to participate in a prophecy designed to control her people which makes her angry. Most importantly, she realizes that Paul waited to open his eyes after the poison transmutation was complete so that the prophecy could be fulfilled. This is Paul’s first active attempt to manipulate the Fremen and Chani recognizes that.
The slap is to a certain extent a substitute for the death of Paul and Chani’s child in the book. It is meant to convey that Paul has changed because he is unfazed that he might loose Chani.
Paul Atreides after he takes the water of life has clear vision of the future and embarks on the “Golden Path” to save humanity from extinction. Paul is NOT a hero because he is willing to go ahead with the Jihad and manipulate the fremen to save humanity in the long run. For me, the ends NEVER justify the means.
People tend to dislike Chani because she is in opposition to Paul, the “hero” of Dune, after he takes the water of life. Dune is not the traditional hero’s journey that so many people want it to be. I would say that Paul is a traditional hero until he takes the water of life which is exactly when Chani turns against him in the movie.
Paul and Leto II’s actions in service of the “Golden Path” deserve to be criticized. Villeneuve uses Chani as both a vessel to criticize Paul after the water of life and as a vessel to emphasize Frank Herbert’s warning about false messiahs and the power of prophecies to manipulate people. Sorry for the long winded rant. That’s just my interpretation of Dune and I would love to hear all of your thoughts as well. ❤
Great job. I read the books for years. I didn’t realize that Paul waited to open his eyes. Is that true? I somehow missed that
Chani is the new Skylar (Breaking Bad), basically. People REALLY show their biases hating her. :/
Very good summation.
@@21AirDrop Thanks 😊
You’re right about all the fact. HOWEVER, to say it is a basic rule in morality that the ends never justify the means, is a massively misleading statement. It has been the topic of ethical debate since time began. Most famously, of Kantian ethics (where the ends never justify the means) versus the Utilitarian view (particularly Jeremy Bentham) where they believe that ethical decisions should be made so that there is “the greatest good, for the greatest number” meaning that even if the means of achieving something good are categorically immoral, it is alright if the outcome is the best if could possibly be. In summary, it’s a matter of opinion that you think Paul is not a hero, it’s not objective
Is it safe to bet that Paul laid there still on purpose to fulfill the prophecy and sway everyone to his side.
Yes, as written.
No, dude was deep into visions, he was as far as everyone around him knew it dead. His vitals were just too low for anyone but Jessica to detect
@@stephengrant4841 yes however Paul is trained to do that now that he Has access to all his other memories and visions. I think he did it on purpose to fulfill the prophecy to convince everyone.
@@jaythekid4728 doubt he laid like that on purpose. Like the book days, dude was catatonic.
@@stephengrant4841 why are you bringing up the book when this about the movie lol
I'm really digging Chani's interpretation in this version of Dune. The actress really delivers on Villeneuve's Chani. I had feared she's be just another mary sue.
God, that moment when he opened his eyes still gives me goosebumps
I love this version of Chani much better than another mindless follower❤
Everyone has their prefence I prefer book chani. Atleast she wasn't a naive idealist
They stole all of her partnership with Paul and turned her into this idealist. If you ask me instead of giving her agency they stole it.
I do too
@minatodroger7890 better than an even emptier sycophant
Typical trend-chasing zoomers. 😂😂😂
Kwisatz Haderach RISE!
....and gets some common sense slapping from gf as welcome gift.
@@filipmaly6603 lol 😂
Who is the voice that tells him to rise ?
@@IsthathimPalpatine
@snake57 is that his mother, so she controls him ?
Holy god I completely forgot the hate Zendaya put into that line.
1:22 He told her he fancied his mom.
I fancy her too
i like dune because, even atreides not purely good
and fremen are not purely good.
does Chani's tears have canonical power in movie duneverse? isn't the prophecy planted?
It's not the tears, it's the water of life that woke Paul up. Chani's tears are merely a theatric performance by Jessica to make Paul's "revival" fit with the prophecy.
In my head canon, the tears mixed with the water of life made Paul come back and take her destiny or path because his battle in part two mirrors his vision of the battle in part one, but he see Chani's doing the same moves he does...
@@Radikusfaithmaxxing
@@kubli365 Lisan al Gaib!
@@Radikus Lisan al Gaib !!
I wonder what the dune canon is according to what biochemically saved Paul?
Poison transmutation. All adept bene gesserit have to learn it. They can break down anything from poisons, toxins and harmful microbes at higher levels.
he changed the poison with his bene gesserit training so it super saturated his cells with spice
Yeah, the whole "desert spring" prophecy doesn't exist in the book, and Chani has no role in Paul curing the poison.
@@derek96720 Yeah, but don't you forget he was a very thirsty boi for Chani and her waters of life in the 1st part. So much so that he was having "dry" dreams.
Bene Gesserit can manipulate the structure of molecules in their body. Paul altered the poison to make it not poisonous
audio problem, sound cuts out.
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Пророк умрет , и его оживит вода "дождя пустыни" такое пророчество.
Even the Lisan al gaib gets punked by his wife
They're not married, they're dating
@@milutinstankovic4638 his “concubine” according to the books
@@CustomizedUsername Consort?
@@milutinstankovic4638 his girlfriend?
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Arise!
The scene is so terribly butchered by the channels author editing...
"As written by these crazy future feminist witches."
- Stilgar
That slap though was it necessary?? 😂😂
It's never okay to hit a lover.
She felt betrayed 😞
That slap was epic. I loved it.
women will get into it and make an excuse lol
@@uraddiictOnx3 women are the only ones who get to feel bad and physically abuse their partners with no one batting an eye.
Chani IS the one.
Está es la única parte de la película que encuentro floja.
Eso de revivir con lágrimas del verdadero amor suena muy Disney. 😂
It's a made up prophecy lol he wasn't really dead he was just stuck in the "dreams". he can transmutate poison by himself with bene gesserit training. its a staged play to fulfill the made up prophecy for the Fremen to believe he is the one
Chani se da cuenta que el estaba fingiendo su muerte hasta que ella llegara para hacer "cumplir" la profesía. Ella se da cuenta que ellos la manipularon y por eso le da la cachetada a Paul. En el libro no existe esa parte, pero ella le "ayuda" a despertar.
Why is her name Johnny?
Chani
How did she know how to fix him?
she didn’t know,The revender mother knew it and she commanded her through her voice
@@Filmart255 I doubt Jessica actually knew, she doesn't in the book. It goes more or less the same in the book, Chani just gets lucky with her attempt being right
Glad your ok. Slap !!
that was b*tchy!
I don't understand these scene
Does Paul pretend to be dead? So his Mother can force Chani to perform the ritual, fulfilling the prophecy
If so, does Chain fall in love with Paul and vice versa not organic?
yes
@@mikstratok i'm not sure
No, he's not dead but he isn't pretending. His vitals are so low that only Jessica could detect them, so as far as anyone else knew he was dead. He was just deep into visions, basically in a trance.
Man, they ruined Chani's character.
She slaps the Fremen messiah in the face and everyone is ok with that? I understand that Denis Villenueve wanted to give Chani more prominence, but no religious group would allow such an attitude
That was lover’s slap…I think Denis wanted to show how emotional chani loves Paul,even at the end scene she was mad after knowing Paul will take the princess as her bride
@@Filmart255 If this is the case, the director has relied too much on the suppression of disbelief. A group of religious fundamentalists would never allow anyone to attack their messiah and get away with it.
😂maybe bcs everyone knows Paul and Chani in a relationship?
Messiah didn’t complain.
Cause she is the messiah's lover? If they go against her they fear that the messiah will curse and leave them?
This was NOTHING like the Book. Follow the Book. You will never know passion until you read., then visualize and the FEEL THE BOOK!
OH NO What WILL WE DO
You brought me back from the dead. Of course she smack the daylight out of him.
Chani was never a weak character. Not in the books or other adaptations, why change her so much now?
i didn’t see any weakness there,she was strong to ask everyone what happened and even yelled at stilgar and paul’s mother,she was just emotional because of Love i think
@@Filmart255 Never said she was weak here, but they act like she was not a strong character in the other versions so they made her angry all the time in this version. Chani totally supported Paul but they have changed her character just to make her seem more what? More human? The change makes no sense.
@@GamerKatz_1971 I think it''s a choice in adaptation. They wanted to show someone resisting Paul's transformation into a dark messiah, besides paul himself. Of the main characters in the movie, who makes the most sense to fill that role? Stilgar is filling the role as the fanatic, Jessica is the manipulator, I guess you could argue Gurney could have been a voice of reason. It hits the hardest if the person most devastated by Paul's ascension as the Lisan Al-Gaib to be the one who loves him as himself. Which It makes it more tragic. The movie is also on a much faster timeline then the books. Paul and Chani don't have their first kid, they technically haven't been together that long. If we put book Chani next to movie Chani, does her role in future movies or her ultimate role in the story change? I don't think it does. It gives Chani more to do as a character, and more to do for zendaya as an actress. You don't have to agree with decision, but I think in the context of this movie as an adaptation I think it makes sense.
To shove the point into ur brain that Paul is not supposed to be a hero. A lot of people misinterpreted the first book
@@GamerKatz_1971 Since you don't have access to paul's internal monologue in the film they altered her character to be more in line with book paul's monologue
physical abuse isn't funny ladies.
That wasn't physical abuse.
It wasn’t meant to be funny
Then perhaps don’t watch a movie centered around abuse on a galactic scale? As a suggestion.
@@ExtremeMadnessX but slapping is still b*tchy!
This movie is literally a more serious version of the life of brian HE IS THE MESSIAH! 😂
She cannot act
She can't. Although this is scene was the one bit of credit I could give her because it was satisfying to see someone call Jessica out on her bullshit!
I really couldn't stand Zendaya in this film, she just cant act....she is either staring intently or scolding in ever scene. That is the limit of her facial expressions... An i really like her, just not for this role.
Dear, talk to the director about that😄.You clearly don't how this works,do you think she is the one who directs the movie.why you hating the actor for?you couldn't even distinguish between the story and reality.
Edit:haha ,sorry I don't know what came over me after reading many of the comments .After calming down,I was just speechless,I'm truly sorry 😞.but what you said about her not being able to act is not true.its just different, that's how the director wanted it.
You are just a hater man and she can act very good.
You are just a hater man and she can act very good.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby I agree with the OP, but it's not Zendaya's fault, she was cast and directed, and these scenes were chosen for the final cut. The fault isn't with her, but with the director. I just felt like she was just... ok.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby its the acting, her role in spiderman was horrendous...she just lacks the experience is all. Most of the great youngest actors started much much earlier in their lives and by the time they get to her age they have a wealth of experience and knowledge behind them.The reason she was cast is because she is the falvour of the month on hollywood and thats it.
the more i see of chani, the more they made her a man in this version and it's pathetic
more like a 21st century leftist, obsessed with race and power dynamics.
What part of her is manly? Lol
There's a reason they're called the Fremen and not Frewomen
@@edzehoo no, not like this is portrayed. She loved paul with all her heart and followed him with little doubt. This is a man acting pissed off
@@brokenman58I don't think so tho. I think she was pissed off because of how emotional she was over paul being in such a condition. Because he took such a dangerous step while keeping her in the dark.I don't think it was because of the prophecy or anything at least in this scene.
Chani was a useless woke character. She would have been better as a non believer who becomes a believer through each of the prophecies being fulfilled
Nah, I like this change.
Not believing in a fake prophecy means she is woke? lmao.
Mercy, that word has lost all meaning now, as it is used for basically any disagreement
@@MooseBear-ob2wh exactly lmao
You don't have the brains to explain what makes her "woke"
@@MooseBear-ob2wh No woke is making her character different from the books for some kind of woman's empowerment stunt. Which might be fine here because there is still a 3rd movie and they might rectify it. Chani returns to Paul and has his children. There is enough going on in Dune: Messiah than having a stupid b-plot line with Chani fighting Paul's uprising.
He wasn’t dead lol, he was in a transient state
wtf does that mean
@@JohnDoe-po3ku like an altered state of consciousness that he was stuck in. It went differently in the book. I like what they did in the movie and I am interested to see where they take it, but in the book Chani is different, she is supportive of Paul and doesn’t freak out when he becomes Lissan Al Gaib. She doesn’t leave at the end.
@@wondawomenluvsupaman I think without Chani being different it would have been harder to get across how the fremen are being exploited by Paul and Jessica. Like Denis Villeneuve said, more faithful to Frank Herberts vision
@@JohnDoe-po3ku Yeah in that regard, while deviating from the book, this movie actually ends up nailing the core theme of Dune far better than the Lynch movie did. I still don't like the deviation with her character, but it serves the story for this medium in that regard