Starfield - DO NOT Play an Unarmed Build - IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2023
  • Starfield is an amazing game, but man Unarmed Builds SUCK! The amount of skill investment you need for the unarmed playstyle to be barely servicable is just insane. I really hope future patches or DLC offers some new benefits, maybe fist based weapons like brass knuckles. Let us know about your experience with unarmed.
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  • @FudgeMuppet
    @FudgeMuppet  10 місяців тому +4

    This is MUCH more fun -> ua-cam.com/video/2dtmyUqPS5c/v-deo.html

  • @mon0lithic629
    @mon0lithic629 10 місяців тому +264

    I think Bethesda should definitely patch this build up considering all the skill trees which make it possible. They should either increase scaling tremendously, add "unarmed" weapons, or increase base unarmed damage by quite a bit

    • @JarJarBricks01
      @JarJarBricks01 10 місяців тому +18

      They should follow the Enai method and increase unarmed damage directly by how much oxygen (stamina) you have.

    • @hunterswepic
      @hunterswepic 10 місяців тому +27

      It’d be cool if martial artist or boxer extended the unarmed combo rather than just three punches

    • @manbob15
      @manbob15 10 місяців тому +1

      What melee weapons?

    • @mon0lithic629
      @mon0lithic629 10 місяців тому +9

      @@manbob15 I meant like fist weapons or gauntlets

    • @Mr.SatanicTurkey
      @Mr.SatanicTurkey 10 місяців тому

      Nope mods Bethesda is useless

  • @NorthEevee
    @NorthEevee 10 місяців тому +87

    What they should do for unarmed is keep the damage as is, but give it fast, punchy strikes. Cyberpunk 2077 has some of the most fun unarmed combat that I've seen in the last 5 years. They could take some notes from that.

    • @heyfell4301
      @heyfell4301 10 місяців тому +19

      Bro, Cyberpunk is just fantastic in melee and unarmed combat, to the point where I honestly think it's TOO strong.
      Playing a melee katana build turned me into a god in no time, and then on my second playthrough I went with a body-focused build, and suddenly had the overwhelming realization that my gorilla arms could one-shot nearly anything and I barely needed my shotgun at that point. It's insane, I love that game. 🤣

    • @JDcrazyhead
      @JDcrazyhead 10 місяців тому +3

      @@heyfell4301yeah once I got gorilla arms and a decent katana I never went back to guns, sliding to slow down time and chopping everyone up before they even realised what happened was great

    • @symbiotesoda1148
      @symbiotesoda1148 10 місяців тому +2

      My main playstyle in that game is gorilla arm unarmed build. Super good AND it gives you the option to take out enemies non-lethally.

    • @NorthEevee
      @NorthEevee 10 місяців тому +1

      @@symbiotesoda1148 "Option", most of the time you're gonna punch them when they're unconscious and kill them xD But it's so much fun.

    • @abnormalitiesinreality6649
      @abnormalitiesinreality6649 10 місяців тому

      @@heyfell4301katana builds are about to be goated when Phantom Liberty drops, cant wait to see all the dishonored like CP2077 clips with people deflecting bullets with their blade after launching off of their bike and then going into a well-choreographed murder spree

  • @jameshumphrey869
    @jameshumphrey869 10 місяців тому +70

    this is disappointing, saw the martial arts skill and thought that meant they made unarmed cool

    • @efrenyalung1348
      @efrenyalung1348 10 місяців тому +3

      Same

    • @rustyjones7908
      @rustyjones7908 10 місяців тому +10

      Yeah, that's just insulting. If they added nothing to boost unarmed it'd be like, "ok that's just not in the game". But to add skill trees that boost it and it's still terrible, that's just pointless on Bethesda's part.

    • @LunaticLK47
      @LunaticLK47 5 місяців тому

      Oh, the worst part is successfully disarming someone won't even register for the perk challenge. Martial Arts is permanently stuck at Level 2. Good job Bugthesda.

  • @tizodd6
    @tizodd6 10 місяців тому +139

    Loving Starfield, but they *REALLY* need to do something with melee options. You can't even upgrade melee weapons like you can with ranged. I went all the way down the line and gain 10% with each melee kill, but I can already feel it falling behind ranged even with the self-healing.
    I hope they address is at some point. I was really looking forward to being an in-your-face brawler type.

    • @Lichdemonz
      @Lichdemonz 10 місяців тому +25

      They won't! :')
      No seriously, this is Bethesda we're talking about. They don't fix their own games. XD

    • @therealkoga2519
      @therealkoga2519 10 місяців тому +2

      Its sad since i came into this game wanting to use the katana all game but its at a disadvantage at all times. even trying to level up concealment is terrible. barely any chances in the regular gameplay to sneak attack with a melee. only way i can think of farming it is sneaking up on aliens? really disappointing. i had to switch to a pistol build midway through.

    • @kaimagnus5760
      @kaimagnus5760 10 місяців тому +6

      ​​@@user-ez1jo9qe3h Serrated Blade for bleed Damage, Electrodes of some kind for shock/energy damage, a plasma emitter for burn damage. Fallout 4 had plenty of Melee weapon modifications. Sounds like you're the one not thinking.

    • @pokemonfan2630
      @pokemonfan2630 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@kaimagnus5760yup can't modify melee weapons so the game is trash lol gotcha

    • @tizodd6
      @tizodd6 10 місяців тому +9

      @@user-ez1jo9qe3h Sharpening, electrify, serrated, etc. Also...it's a video game...they can come up with anything, like stronger materials or something. The options aren't limited to reality. How do you realistically justify guns doing more damage because you put a few skill points it? In realty, you may be able to improve accuracy or handling, but damage-wise, a .45 is .45 regardless of who shoots it.
      Look at any game with a melee emphasis. It's not like melee modding hasn't been done before countless times in countless games.
      Maybe you're the one who should "think before you type", instead of insulting people for no reason.

  • @KennethTopp
    @KennethTopp 10 місяців тому +8

    This is me, the kicker is that you can't favorite the fists so if you mix it up you're going to have to Go into the menu unequip the weapon.

  • @chstens
    @chstens 10 місяців тому +33

    Wasn't an unarmed build specifically mentioned in one of the pre-release marketing events? Good job.

  • @CaedoGenesis
    @CaedoGenesis 10 місяців тому +19

    As an unarmed connoisseur, I am also sad about this! There's also no toggle equip on favorite hotkeys (Since Fallout 4 mind you), so if you try to switch from a gun to fists, you gotta use the inventory menu every single time. The EM stun from Neurostrikes can mess with disarm chance for Martial Arts too, so if you skipped to tier 4, good flippin luck getting the rest of your Martial Arts levels. I did get a mirrored helmet, that reflects the damage as unarmed hits, so that's actually been pretty entertaining. And I did find out that KO'd enemies are basically free sneak attacks, so that's something too. Overall though, disappointing how much we need to commit to be somewhat viable, when other weapon skills completely overtake it.

    • @Voltomess
      @Voltomess 10 місяців тому

      Level 4 Concealment gets you 10x melee damage when the enemy is stunned I don't think this dude had this skill on this video.

    • @LunaticLK47
      @LunaticLK47 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Voltomess Even WITH Concealment, damage output is still ass when using Unarmed.

  • @sylph4252
    @sylph4252 10 місяців тому +474

    They spent 11 years not improving unarmed systems

    • @Darek_B52
      @Darek_B52 10 місяців тому +46

      Degrading if anything

    • @justinwinningham4892
      @justinwinningham4892 10 місяців тому +31

      Not improving anything really. The game in first person feels just like Skyrim

    • @chadharger9323
      @chadharger9323 10 місяців тому +20

      Yeah and they FINALLY fixed shotguns and heavy weapons after how sucky both were in Fallout 4. Shotguns because of the lack of variety and heavy because of the lack of ammo.
      Two steps forward and three steps back. . .

    • @King-ji4fv
      @King-ji4fv 10 місяців тому +18

      To be fair, unarmed could be pretty powerful in fo4. They made a build for it.

    • @utisti4976
      @utisti4976 10 місяців тому +6

      Well, yeah, this is Bethesda we are talking about here.
      They somehow modernize every game mechanic they use without actually improving it over a period of decades.
      Like, that has always been Bethesda's thing. 😂

  • @ginnungagaplemniscates1405
    @ginnungagaplemniscates1405 10 місяців тому +6

    As someone who always goes hard in the paint with unarmed in NV. This makes me sad.

    • @vincer7824
      @vincer7824 10 місяців тому +3

      Dude that power fist would always make people's noggins pop.

  • @OpticalGreen
    @OpticalGreen 10 місяців тому +28

    I always thought that the bladed looking weapon over your fist counted as unarmed, too bad, but not too late, they can add weapons like these, just like in Fallout 4/76.

  • @kingtaco258
    @kingtaco258 10 місяців тому +16

    This really makes me think that there is some super obscure piece of equipment hidden in the game that would help with this.😅

  • @Twisted_Tempest
    @Twisted_Tempest 10 місяців тому +94

    The idea of the different animations from different trainers sounds great. Besides adding some weapons like knuckle dusters, they could literally just add a selection of mods for your Spacesuit that give it spiked knuckles, or metal frames or something.

    • @TimTeboner
      @TimTeboner 10 місяців тому +5

      That's what I was thinking during this video too. Imagine installing little compressed air boosters on the backs of your hands that propel your fist into the enemy!

    • @reece42069
      @reece42069 10 місяців тому +1

      They’re going to sell it as creation club dlc just like they did with the Skyrim brawlers gauntlets…

    • @VHwill13
      @VHwill13 10 місяців тому +5

      @@reece42069brotha the gloves of the pugilist exist

    • @ChiefCrewin
      @ChiefCrewin 10 місяців тому +2

      I hate to say this but...New Vegas.

    • @danilima6970
      @danilima6970 10 місяців тому

      ​@@ChiefCrewinyeah powerfists were great in new Vegas.

  • @r92871
    @r92871 10 місяців тому +10

    This 100% hurting my feelings. I started an unarmed character yesterday for my first character and its fucking miserable.

    • @seanerzat
      @seanerzat 10 місяців тому

      Oof… luckily if you’re still pre level 10 it’s pretty easy to pivot but those are lost skill points

    • @r92871
      @r92871 10 місяців тому

      @seanerzat was only 2 honestly. Im lvl 5 i think. But still a couple hours in i dont feel like rolling a new character already

    • @seanerzat
      @seanerzat 10 місяців тому +1

      Oh yeah don’t even worry about, you could very easily just start using guns and just consider those first unarmed levels as part of your backstory relating in some way to being good with hand to hand combat

  • @SurrenArteni
    @SurrenArteni 10 місяців тому +61

    Level 4 Concealment gets you 10x melee damage which does trigger when you have stunned someone. It makes the build actually viable and fun

    • @mustbemeech
      @mustbemeech 10 місяців тому +5

      I knew concealment would be major for the build

    • @45axelh
      @45axelh 10 місяців тому

      It makes it better but not good, unarmed still sucks ass.

    • @XaadeTheBlade
      @XaadeTheBlade 6 місяців тому

      I think it should trigger stealth damage if an enemy is knocked out. Then it would work like morrowind.

    • @LunaticLK47
      @LunaticLK47 5 місяців тому

      Time to kill someone is still too long, and I did experiment. The number for leveling up the Boxing skill is also stupidly time-consuming (i.e. 96 kills if you want to get to level 4), which means if you want to speed shit along, drop the difficulty to VERY EASY just to make the enemies less spongy.

  • @gabrielgorilla9604
    @gabrielgorilla9604 10 місяців тому +5

    I would love to see some unarmed execution animation

  • @jusba94
    @jusba94 10 місяців тому +4

    Unarmed forces you to play in a unique way. Best way I found to play is to down all enemies with blue bar and then stop attacking them. Once they're all down, go for sneak attacks and oneshot them one by one. You can also pickpocket them while doing this. I don't consider fitness and wellness essential but the sneak stuff for sure is. I would say boostpack is essential for any melee too. If that crippled perk works for it, then that is your double damage buff that you asked for. So close of being good but it sucks 😂

  • @kmcd6140
    @kmcd6140 10 місяців тому +8

    I am very surprised there are no stun knuckles, or something, for Unarmed builds. Hell, Fallout's get spikey boxing gloves. Give us a micro version of the Power Fist. (Grave Fist?) I could totally see batons meant to stun. Punchy versions could still work for sc-fi security or bouncers.

  • @agentnukaz1715
    @agentnukaz1715 10 місяців тому +8

    Melee needs finishers and weapon movesets

  • @ThefamousMrcroissant
    @ThefamousMrcroissant 10 місяців тому +6

    The dealbreaker for me is how clunky it feels

  • @whoopsie321
    @whoopsie321 10 місяців тому +9

    Man thats a feelsbadman.. i've always loved playing brawler/martial arts characters when I can but they have really been dropping the ball on them since like Skyrim. Like why isn't there directional power attacks so strange. Maybe some ways to fix it make the attack speed way faster and just make unarmed weapons a thing. Have they ever buffed skills in the other games? New Vegas was peak Unarmed.

    • @nuclearlefthook5008
      @nuclearlefthook5008 10 місяців тому +5

      Skyrim didn't even have an Unarmed skill tree. I think it was viable in Oblivion though. It's always been viable in Fallout games though.

    • @themarsh429
      @themarsh429 10 місяців тому

      @@nuclearlefthook5008 Skyrim had a great unarmed system with its own unique skill tree. It was called Lycanthropy.

    • @Slugbug
      @Slugbug 10 місяців тому

      I never tried unarmed in Oblivion, but I had fun with it in Morrowind.
      I started a bouncer in Starfield, only got to level 5 so far and dropped the first few points in some of the other trees that I wanted at least one point in (boost, medicine, diplomacy, and wellness in the physical tree). I was planning to put my next one in a second rank of boxing, but I think I will start dueling instead. Most of my planned build won't change but it is still disappointing that unarmed got so shafted. Hopefully patches, dlc, or modders will correct it.

  • @servbotz
    @servbotz 10 місяців тому +7

    This is so timely! I was literally planning to do Unarmed Stealth build but thankfully haven't invested any skills into the unarmed yet. Just diplomacy and stealth. I'm going to double down on Social skills instead. Diplomacy is so OP when it works.

  • @unicyclepeon
    @unicyclepeon 10 місяців тому +2

    My first build was a bouncer, focusing on unarmed, and after investing deep in the tree, I deleted the character and started over. Not only does unarmed suck, but there is no way to bind "unarmed" to a key. Both of these make it unplayable. Now I'm enjoying a Soldier. Well, I find the quests and characters (NPCs) boring and predictable so far, but I'm enjoying random bounty quests.

    • @SineN0mine3
      @SineN0mine3 10 місяців тому +2

      I also thought it was annoying that you can't hotkey unarmed. I don't even want to play an unarmed character, I just wanna punch random things in the environment to see if they have physics, or to punish annoying NPCs by messing up their personal spaces.

    • @unicyclepeon
      @unicyclepeon 10 місяців тому

      @@SineN0mine3 Yeah in Fallout 4 there was a hidden item in your inventory with value c2c27 that you could never interact with but a console command could reveal it. And equipping that item made you go into unarmed mode. And there was an undocumented system for hotkeys in FO4 where you could bind a key to kick off "cf equipitem c2c27 0 1" to make a hotkey for unarmed. Useful for when in power armor. And the console command showinventory (iirc) would let you see the item would be flagged as worn when you were unarmed. So you could have a hotkey for unarmed in Fallout 4 without mods even.
      BUT for Starfield, I used showinventory just looking around for either the same id or some other one with a new value which would get tagged as Worn when I went unarmed, in the hopes this hotkey backdoor was still there, but I found zilch, nada, zero.
      Oh well. Mods perhaps at some point will add in an unarmed bind, and maybe make the damage of unarmed be x5 what it is now. :)

  • @Juanchomagro
    @Juanchomagro 10 місяців тому +3

    the downside of melee combat is by not having takedown, finishing moves like skyrim and fallout...i had more fun playing unarmed on those two games because the takedown animation

  • @Max_Gooch
    @Max_Gooch 10 місяців тому +2

    They don’t have any power fists or shotgun fists in this game? Like in FNV or F4?

  • @O-D-X
    @O-D-X 10 місяців тому +16

    Perfectly timed, I was deciding between a melee or unarmed build to be my side character playthrough. This settles it.

    • @MisterZimbabwe
      @MisterZimbabwe 10 місяців тому +4

      Melee falls off hard mid game onwards as you can't upgrade melee weapons like you can ranged.
      Melee feels like a total afterthought. Bethesda clearly didn't give a shit.

    • @Originalchili
      @Originalchili 10 місяців тому

      ​@@MisterZimbabwethey probably assumed vast majority of players aren't doing unarmed builds, I'm sure that's true tbh, but hopefully they update the game to make the playstyle viable for those people

    • @O-D-X
      @O-D-X 10 місяців тому

      @@MisterZimbabwe Are you playing normal difficulty or hard? I ask because if it feels weak on normal then I might pass altogether.

    • @MisterZimbabwe
      @MisterZimbabwe 10 місяців тому

      @@Originalchili Well, Bethesda has a track record of doing the bare minimum technical fixes, IF that, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

  • @TaraKaos
    @TaraKaos 10 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if unarmed stealth would work? I know kinda weird right. Or better yet add glove weapons that still count as unarmed?

  • @LancelotBonecrusher
    @LancelotBonecrusher 10 місяців тому +25

    Thanks for sharing this honest opinion... Hopefully saves us ALL a load of headaches! Can't wait to try out melee and hope they add some brass knuckles or specialized gloves with stats on them and we can have some fun down the road with unarmed! 🤛🤜🤞

  • @elijahoconnell
    @elijahoconnell 10 місяців тому +6

    unarmed combat needs some sort of grappling systems, certain commands to initiate a collar tie for example and maybe you could have a system like kcd’s attack star with throws being unlocked/practiced and executed by your relative positioning + the choice of star direction dictating the direction and type of throw you do. you could incorporate weapons with this same grappling system- maybe having a weapon in hand allows you to attack with the grapple initiated or if you have both hands unarmed it allows for more throws. the collar tie system could allow you to grab a meat shield lol and maybe the higher unarmed skill allows you to more effectively move the npc and reduces their ability to escape, this could be done by comparing your unarmed skill to theirs
    also the punches are so cringe, a martial arts perk and you still punch like a twelve year old whos experience is watching tavern duals from skyrim

  • @jameshumphrey869
    @jameshumphrey869 10 місяців тому +4

    maybe unarmed would be cooler if they made specific weapons for unarmed. ik that goes against the idea of "unarmed", but the base damage is pathetic. Give players something like power fists, brass knuckles, boxing gloves, etc to boost the base damage of unarmed

  • @typhoonic
    @typhoonic 10 місяців тому +1

    is h2h at least decent enough to role-play a non-lethal character who only stuns, knock downs, k.o or just runs away and refuses to kill? does it stun often enough that i can switch to a gun quickly as a move?

  • @devinco1
    @devinco1 10 місяців тому +2

    I chose the bouncer for my build. After unlocking the first rank of boxing I decided to stop using it because with no defense buff it just feels like I'm just wasting my med packs.

  • @sekiro8980
    @sekiro8980 10 місяців тому +2

    so i like this game but one thing thats bothering me is, on PC how do I unequip my weapons so i can be unarmed. The game just tells me to holster my weapon but when i try to attack I still have whatever weapon I had previously. Pls Help me !!!!

  • @Voltomess
    @Voltomess 10 місяців тому +2

    Level 4 Concealment gets you 10x melee damage when the enemy is stunned.

  • @only2comment98
    @only2comment98 10 місяців тому +2

    Gahdamn, this sucks. I've put over 24hr in the game and was just praying once I got Martial Arts I'd unlock some unarmed finishers. Literally can't believe they had somebody advocating for Neurostrikes in the hype video when it's literally nothing but a 3 punch combination or an uppercut. I loved my pistoleer/fistfighter in F4...

  • @brandonquist8394
    @brandonquist8394 10 місяців тому +1

    I get the feeling we'd get a similar argument as BotW devs about durability, "You'd all stick to one or two things and never see all the other stuff we worked on." As in, we'd all go with unarmed builds since we wouldn't have to worry about ammo, ranks, and mods, so they didn't develop the unarmed as well as the other methods.
    Or they just don't like this playstyle and put in what they did just to placate the people who always whined about it, while working on they stuff they actually wanted to be in the game.

  • @Diehardgamer2001
    @Diehardgamer2001 10 місяців тому +2

    Looking at the skill tree at launch i was planning to go unarmed, get martial arts, and grab neuro strikes so i could deal EM damage, and i was also gonna get incapacitation from the combat tree to buff the EM damage, but i guess incapacitation only buffs EM weapons, which is a shame. They made perk synergies unnecessarily exclusive, they could've easily had the dueling skill also buff unarmed damage, and also had incapacitations EM damage buff work with neurostrikes, but they decided that melee and unarmed are two different things, when in reality the only difference is hitting with a stick vs hitting with fists. The final perk from dueling which states "Melee kills heal you for 10% of your health" is also lost on unarmed unfortunately, because despite meleeing an enemy to death with your fists, unarmed kills arent considered melee kills, so you dont get healed.

  • @aaronsteinberg4117
    @aaronsteinberg4117 10 місяців тому

    i noticed your not using a incendiary armor peice is there a reason for that?

  • @faaldeyra
    @faaldeyra 10 місяців тому +3

    Punching people in every part of the universe was the number 1 reason I wanted to play Starfield :(

  • @TootsyBootsy
    @TootsyBootsy 9 місяців тому

    Does the EM damage perk synergize with the neurostrikes perk?

  • @DaveCertifiedS
    @DaveCertifiedS 10 місяців тому +3

    This one hit me hard, as I'm playing a Bouncer type character and tried to go the unarmed route (even named my ship the Swayze) but after about 10ish levels I pivoted to melee, as a lot of the supporting skills cross over, and I felt like I was falling behind the damage curve because I tried to invest in social skills on top of fighting. The change was immediate, and yes, much more fun.
    Overall Starfield seems to devalue to close combat in general with no fistloads (brass knucks) or power fist type weapons. More so, you are unable to modify melee weapons at the work benches, or at least, I'm not able to modify any of them yet. This feels like a gap in the design that I do hope they address.

  • @teriddax3692
    @teriddax3692 10 місяців тому +2

    As the person who gave me so many build ideas for Fallout 4, it's reassuring to hear you say that melee builds are still viable without something like Blitz.
    I'm sorry unarmed was so unviable.
    I look forward to what melee sword/stealth builds you come up with, and how you made them viable.

  • @addicthing5294
    @addicthing5294 10 місяців тому +1

    Are there no skill magazine that increase these build?

  • @canaldecasta
    @canaldecasta 10 місяців тому +1

    Start game
    "Im gonna punch every sentient thing I see"
    "Oh, this sucks"

  • @juddcarson2435
    @juddcarson2435 10 місяців тому

    How do you even unarm yourself and punch unarmed. I put my weapon up and try to melee and it pulls weapon back out everytime??

  • @vincer7824
    @vincer7824 10 місяців тому +1

    Unarmed conbat in this game was clearly an afterthought, seemingly designed to mimic Cyberpunk except with none of the work.

  • @keeganswain1490
    @keeganswain1490 10 місяців тому

    Does incapacitation scale with melee when you get neurostrikes?

  • @Ahglock
    @Ahglock 10 місяців тому +3

    I don't know i'm level 20something and still punching things to death without much of an issue, it stuns people and with rank 4 concealment it seems to trigger the x10 damage part though i might be on crack. Sure running across the room instead of being in cover in a gun based game means I chew through trauma packs more than when I use a gun, but I kill things pretty quick all the same.

  • @BLeePrit
    @BLeePrit 10 місяців тому

    Has anyone tried using melee with the gymnastics slide? If it's clunky or not will probably depend on if I do a melee ronin playthrough.

  • @allison5262
    @allison5262 10 місяців тому +1

    In The Elder Scrolls we relied on heavy armor boxing, requiring a small amount of skill points
    In FALLOUT4, we use garbage to arm our fists, which requires reasonable skill points
    In Starfield we can only rely on ourselves, requiring a lot of skill points

  • @dereklewis8914
    @dereklewis8914 9 місяців тому

    It's hard to believe that in a futuristic world like Starfield there aren't any brass knuckles or power gloves. Especially when martial arts still exists.

  • @PolCoolguy
    @PolCoolguy 10 місяців тому +1

    Level 19 fully invested into unarmed melee... the pain made me look up if I'm doing something wrong... I guess I'm going for melee weapons now, thankfully didn't go into neurostrikes yet so only RIP 4 skill points

  • @CorpseDaddy
    @CorpseDaddy 10 місяців тому +3

    I’ve been leveling an unarmed character since it came out. It definitely makes things difficult especially when all you do is 3 hit combos, which also makes the combat slower. If there’s a large group of enemies I have to run in try to take out two or three of them and then run to safety before I get gunned down. Definitely a shame that this is the result because unarmed builds are my go to in these types of games

    • @The_PotionSeller
      @The_PotionSeller 10 місяців тому +4

      You clearly have much more patience than me, I got an hour into it and decided to can the character. I might revisit it if unarmed becomes good, but for now Gyatso the space monk is sitting in the trash

    • @CorpseDaddy
      @CorpseDaddy 10 місяців тому +2

      @@The_PotionSeller alas I am too invested into Captain Morganflorgans kung fu abilities so I continue to make myself suffer

  • @justcraziii
    @justcraziii 10 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for honesty, so many delicious guns it’s even harder to roleplay Batman too. Well said video and I liked how you compared with melee vs unarmed.

  • @sitrucsimian5450
    @sitrucsimian5450 10 місяців тому +8

    Eagerly awaiting the gunslinger and beast hunter builds!

  • @--Nemesis
    @--Nemesis 10 місяців тому

    Does the buffs on Isolation works with Unarmed?

  • @infernaldaedra
    @infernaldaedra 10 місяців тому +2

    I wish we had the unarmed system for. Oblivion and Fallout 3 where we could train to learn new moves and karate some NPCs 😂

  • @Exhaustid
    @Exhaustid 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank goodness for mods. I definitely was planning on an unarmed playthrough that heavily used powers when I get the game

  • @kahunakool2155
    @kahunakool2155 8 місяців тому

    Add a damage increase to consecutive hits on an enemy. Then add in a few special moves like neck snapping for stealth kills, and arm/hand breaking to stop enemies from using firearms, and ground pounding to finish off downed enemies. Finally add in a special 3-5 kill powerup attack like Fist Flurry that slows down time and increases punching speed for a few seconds, or Cosmic Slug that lets you launch enemies into the stratosphere in a single punch.

  • @adrianguinn3331
    @adrianguinn3331 10 місяців тому +3

    Stupidest thing of all is you cannot favorite unarmed. It's absurd. No way to unequip a weapon that you have on your person without going into the menus.. meeeeeeeeeaning that if you want to do unarmed AND a weapon? Good luck. You cannot click on the weapon again in your favorites and unequip said weapon. Something you could do in fallout NV is unavailable here.
    How that made it through testing is beyond me... and I'm sorry but that's just the tip of the iceberg.
    This game is not worth the money. Full stop.

  • @joergmeyhoefer
    @joergmeyhoefer 10 місяців тому

    So cool having you guys back....is all your footage very hard mode? Ty

  • @rustyjones7908
    @rustyjones7908 10 місяців тому +3

    I feel like a fix is simple enough, just make unarmed attacks fast. The whole "critical hit plus chance of status defuff" wouid be dynamite if the attacks came out fast enough, even without increasing the base damage.

    • @The_PotionSeller
      @The_PotionSeller 10 місяців тому +4

      That sounds like a great mod for someone to make. Add more striking animations, and add more speed tied to your perk damage increases. I wanted to be some unarmed space monk, but what I got was lazy drunk bar brawler

  • @DisjointWinter
    @DisjointWinter 10 місяців тому +3

    Poor Nerbit must not be having a good time...

  • @EnterTheFenix
    @EnterTheFenix 9 місяців тому

    Wait... you liked vanilla melee? with all the weird delays where you cant attack for no reason?

  • @ndure8318
    @ndure8318 10 місяців тому +1

    Yeh I upgraded my melee rank 4 and kinda disappointed I invested on the perk
    Was thinking it would help on my NG+9 for the no save melee only died though lol
    Loaded into Unity again and at least I can start from start with the option to save again thank goodness lol

  • @Gardiken
    @Gardiken 10 місяців тому +2

    Unarmed sucked in Skyrim too, but at least there was the Khajiit claws, that heavy armor perk, and an enchantment to boost the damage higher. And then other skills around it to make the build mor fun, like healing or necromancy (like your Sabrecat video)

  • @stephenrudrow6580
    @stephenrudrow6580 8 місяців тому +1

    One of the Bathasda guys said Neurostrikes for a unarmed bulid it was in the trailer before starfield was released

  • @vloqy
    @vloqy 10 місяців тому +2

    i wish i could get my perk points back from unarmed skills

  • @CriticC2rd
    @CriticC2rd 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the heads up! The build I’m most looking forward to is “the Rocketeer” all jet pack flight!

  • @GunterThePenguinHatesHugs
    @GunterThePenguinHatesHugs 10 місяців тому +1

    My unarmed character build:
    Name: The Human Spud (Looks like Uncanny Mr Incredible meme)
    Origins: Orphan found suckling from the starchy teat of an irradiated Brain Sprout by the Xenowarfare scientists who took him to the facility on Kreet for further testing.
    Bio: Some hear the call of the Great Serpent, The Human Spud hears the song of The Great Brain Sprout Hivemind; he must collect potato, and use the powers bestowed upon him to mash the uninitiated with his great mashers.

  • @MrAirpumpkin
    @MrAirpumpkin 10 місяців тому

    Real question is which ammo-free build gives a harder time. Fists only or cutter only?/s

    • @redfox9726
      @redfox9726 10 місяців тому

      Melee is ammo free

  • @Gerdoch
    @Gerdoch 10 місяців тому +1

    Too late, I already sunk 4 points into Boxing and 1 into Martial Arts and now I can't get them back. First run, too. I had to switch to melee with blades.

  • @axo4383
    @axo4383 10 місяців тому +2

    Bethesda should either add Fist Weapons to the game. Also make them modable and same with Melee Weapons.
    Or Making Unarmed like 15%xLevel damage boost.

  • @jeremy812
    @jeremy812 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for all the content. I appreciate you putting this video up.

  • @maxtrehus602
    @maxtrehus602 10 місяців тому

    I wanna know if crippling and armor penetration works with melee. Skills suggests “attacks” trigger the perks. So im inclined to say yes but not high enough to test

  • @snazzyfeathers
    @snazzyfeathers 10 місяців тому +3

    Man I thought we'd see some crazy flying kicks and stuff with martial arts.

  • @Purpie_Slurpie
    @Purpie_Slurpie 10 місяців тому +1

    Bethesda has always neglected and/or straight up not included unarmed builds. It's nothing new, I'm not surprised. Merely disappointed.

    • @LNKSonYOUTUBE
      @LNKSonYOUTUBE 10 місяців тому +2

      Fallout has had it though, but funnily enough the game without it, Skyrim, is probably the best for it just because of fortify unarmed lol

  • @gabrielarkangelo
    @gabrielarkangelo 10 місяців тому +1

    My tip, don't do an entire build around this, I'm investing on unarmed but not doing just this, I do it as a side skill.. for some certain moments, feels good enough, but as a secondary skill. It feels badass and funny to kill alien beasts with your bare fists, but for the training aspect.. like said in the video, focus on weak creatures to count towards the challenge. But it would be great if they update this or someone makes a mod that improves it for fights agaisnt humans.

  • @noah509
    @noah509 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm so sad, I really wanted to do an unarmed build but it just doesn't work. Probably gotta restart my playthrough so I get those skills back.

  • @Stoned_apeTheory22
    @Stoned_apeTheory22 10 місяців тому

    Bonuses for boost pack training?

  • @arellajardin8188
    @arellajardin8188 10 місяців тому +1

    Challenge accepted.
    But seriously, the mere inclusion of a few unarmed weapons would solve most of the problem. I'd settle for brass knuckles and a reskined power fist from FO4.

  • @civilez7060
    @civilez7060 10 місяців тому +1

    Armor Penetration works with all atacks, did you try that?

    • @TheBlakamon15
      @TheBlakamon15 10 місяців тому

      Also cripple works.

    • @Squeeble00
      @Squeeble00 10 місяців тому

      From what i've heard the combat tree skills don't work for unarmed despite some of them sounding like they should

  • @brandonadkins9435
    @brandonadkins9435 10 місяців тому +1

    Well that’s disappointing. Learning this, and that no-kill is not an option makes my Space Batman idea a nonstarter :’(
    Thanks for all the fantastic work y’all do!

  • @jordan321able
    @jordan321able 10 місяців тому +1

    This was exactly my thought and concern when infirst saw those punches pre release. I was annoyed and worried about it. Glad I didn't risk it and I made my corpo sniper

  • @nathanarmstrong7636
    @nathanarmstrong7636 10 місяців тому +2

    Man this makes me mad. I was looking forward to doing an unarmed build. When I saw all the perks I got excited, but oh well.

  • @cylondorado4582
    @cylondorado4582 10 місяців тому

    I wonder if I can take unarmed and gradually level it up while mostly using a ranged weapon. My original idea was using unarmed and pistols, but maybe I could lean into the pistols more until they buff unarmed…and by then I might be high enough level to also have a lot of toughness perks. I kind of want to switch to melee, but I just don’t want to start over…

  • @MrYoungfella4
    @MrYoungfella4 10 місяців тому +1

    I suppose you could add in some chemistry and make chems to boost melee damage, but that's lots more levels for not much boost.

  • @dachshund_gaming
    @dachshund_gaming 10 місяців тому

    5:41 to be fair, enemies do gun bash you if you’re up close. Can you block those attacks and reflect damage that way?
    Edit: in Fallout 4 you can. Decently easy to predict as well

  • @skyeboy821
    @skyeboy821 10 місяців тому

    I wonder if any of the Combat tree skills would make it better. For example, does Incapacitation apply to the EM from unarmed? What about armor penetration? It’s way more skill point intensive but I wonder if training into those skills would make it play better

    • @Voltomess
      @Voltomess 10 місяців тому +1

      Level 4 Concealment gets you 10x melee damage when the enemy is stunned I don't think this dude had this skill on this video.

  • @kakapac6982
    @kakapac6982 10 місяців тому +2

    Maybe you could try mixing in consumables and the force powers you get? Idk I haven't played the game yet. But that's how I did unarmed in fo4

    • @GeckoTechGaming
      @GeckoTechGaming 10 місяців тому +1

      This is a minor spoiler but there is a power that disarms enemies which helps. There are also chems that boost unarmed/melee damage by 20% but honestly everything in the video is completely right. It just feels bad to play and you get completely destroyed by gunfire while outputting miniscule damage.

    • @Originalchili
      @Originalchili 10 місяців тому

      ​@@GeckoTechGamingyou would also have to obviously utilize slow time and gravity power too

  • @TheSinfulKnight
    @TheSinfulKnight 9 місяців тому

    I don't know about you, I just started doing unarmed to level assassination and get the chameleon ability and OMG was that fun if you pair it with the Zero Gravity StarPower.

  • @themarsh429
    @themarsh429 10 місяців тому +1

    Seen your unarmed builds for other games years ago, so I saw the Title of this video and thought "Right, Muppet is messing with us.."

    • @brandonadkins9435
      @brandonadkins9435 10 місяців тому

      Yeah, I was hoping it was a joke title too. Ah well.

  • @Roonayy
    @Roonayy 9 місяців тому +1

    Even melee is mid as fuck. Clunky animations, zero upgrades and customization, no superior versions of the same weapon, so your damage caps out pretty quickly and it's not high at all. It can be fun, especially in the early to mid game, but only against humans. Going up against 3 terrormorbs one after the other during one of the quests really cured the fear I had of them since a few quests earlier. The scariest part of fighting the scariest enemy is now the amount of time I'll have to spend running in a circle around them while sluggishly swinging a weapon that may as well be a pool noodle at them, knowing it'll only get worse every subsequent time as the level scaling bumps up their health and armor.

  • @LWolf12
    @LWolf12 10 місяців тому +1

    They need something like brass knuckles, or boxing tape to act as a weapon for unarmed.

  • @gerbenvanegmond4007
    @gerbenvanegmond4007 8 місяців тому

    I hope a good patch would come. Also, try picking Khajiit, they have claw bonus 😆

  • @Honorablediscord2
    @Honorablediscord2 10 місяців тому

    I feel like a simple fix for this would just be for each level in strength you get plus one flat damage. That way it would scale with the other skills. I would probably also add melee augmentation to suits, but that might be in the game and I'm just never noticed it. I would make sure it's in the same category as the carry more stuff mod. That way since you had to take weight training get the increases to damage you won't need it on your suit. If Bethesda won't do it, you know the modders will.

  • @samuelh.8896
    @samuelh.8896 10 місяців тому +1

    Space Batman doesn’t do what is easy, he does what’s right

  • @vaultdovah5722
    @vaultdovah5722 10 місяців тому +1

    UC Commando sounds awesome. I've been spoiled by the builds you guys make. Without them, I'm actually struggling to RP.

    • @LunaticLK47
      @LunaticLK47 5 місяців тому

      UC Commando is the way. What's better is a UC Commando that fights like John Wick and a Fett.

  • @The_PotionSeller
    @The_PotionSeller 10 місяців тому

    I tried to make an unarmed monk type character, I realized within an hour that I just couldn't do it any longer. Someone needs to mod in better animations, and it really needs to be faster, low damage is workable with status effects and quick strikes, but I'm only able to throw drunk haymakers. Idk how that one Bethesda employee played an unarmed build in the showcase and saw nothing wrong

  • @WardenNFG
    @WardenNFG 10 місяців тому +1

    Seems like 100% boost per boxing level, plus bonuses with level 4 being 25% heal would be needed. Throw some attack speed in there (that reduces cooldown between combos aswell) and it could be “ok”