Like your videos but this one is an error. In the begining you said it was a 5000 Shimano then you are talking about a 6000 Shimano??? Anyway... You can't compare a slammer 6500 to a shimano 5000 no comparison. Don't let the model numbers fool you. A shimano 5000 is more similar to a Penn 3500 which is a much lighter reel and it still has more power than a Shimano 5000 and probably a 6000 as well. I fish with a Penn 3500 or even a 4500 all day and it is fine. A Penn 6500 is a BRICK. That is more for deep sea fishing were you set it and forget it. Don't go by model numbers compare reals by specs.
I surf fish exclusively. I own both. I can’t imagine ever being loyal to just one brand. I like variety. That being said, the Shimano is the smoothest reel I’ve ever encountered. It just doesn’t matter a whole lot when your set up is sitting in a rod holder. If I was casting and retrieving all day, I’m sure I’d use the Shimano more.
Love my Gosa 10K. In 2 years landed 5 wahoos, 2 decent tunas, 2 uluas, and countless small fish. She fell off the boat and went overboard into the ocean, dove into the water and retrieved her 15' below the surface. Opened her up and bone dry. Absolute beast of a reel.
South African (Cape Town) here .... In our neck the woods we do surf / rock fishing mostly. Before "Coffee Grinders" were the rage Penn was the go-to reel ie Free Spool reel (Starting with the Penn 45 (way back) and the Penn 500). The fish we catch in the Western Cape are generally big and include Yellow tail, cob, grunter etc and then also ragged-tooth sharks, gully sharks etc ..... the go to reels include the Shimano Saragosa 6000, 8000 and 10000, additionally the Shimano Twin-Power 6000, 8000 and 10000.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said how different these two reels are. The Penn might be marketed towards a group who want a heavier reel, possibly to put heavy bait on the hook and let it set on the bottom. Then you have the line capacity and drag to reel in whatever hits it. The Shimano might be marketing more of a casting crowd or at least a more mobile crowd who is more concerned with the weight of the reel than the drag or line capacity. As you said, both reels will get the job done in almost ALL situations. I like how you stayed out of the corner of saying which one was "better" than the other by approaching this from a differences standpoint. This way you are being helpful to anyone looking at or comparing these two reels and consumers can make a more educated choice and pick what best fits their needs. Awesome video.
I agree, ive got a penn ive been using for a while and i love them for pier fishing and surf fishing havnt tried it offshore but im sure its great. But i also have a shimano that i use whenecer im casting out artificial bait or going fishing with a lighter tackle setup.
To be fair, he's comparing a Slammer, and probably should be comparing a Spinfisher instead. Slammers are, and always have been - a meat stick reel. I personally don't use spinning reels in that class, my meat sticks are all conventional.
Team penn, always been on my budget. Never had a bad experience with dawia either have two of them. But I'm stay true to penn. Great video. Always fish with what you love and do best with.
Right brother my slammer old 1st You see my channel fishing day 1 Fishing day 2 part 2 Fishing day 3 .....very good power but you must good maintenance
The old models were made in the USA and were bullet proof......since they went to china and use cheap local components,they have gone right down hill.....the SS versions used to be awesome but you paid the money for them......now they are cheap but they are also nasty as well.
@Azbycxdwevfugthsirjqkplomn McPinth ya you could buy a brand new reel and the first time you use it the thing is used..,. Pay half as much at the pawn shop and you have more money for fuel to go fishing 🙄
I own mostly Shimano, Okuma, Penn, and Daiwa. It sounds crazy but I've landed more big fish on Okuma reels. Still love Penns despite being heavy. Being from Texas I'm usually fishing for Redfish and trout. I'm hooked on your videos. Really good stuff! Love the content!
What small reel in the 2500 size (under 9oz) would you recommend to catch flounder and specks that can also handle a redfish (5 - 10lbs) if it decides to bite? I use 10lb braid.
@@DongWang-m4n Get a Daiwa BG MQ 3000 (9.3oz) even the 4000 is only 10oz..but if you're willing to spend more look up Shimano Twin Power XD,Daiwa Certate and Shimano Vanquish too
This was a very poor comparison video. I'm pretty sure its in the name "slammer" that its meant to be bigger and heavier than other reels. With all the other Shimano reels you have, do none of them have comparable drag/line capacity for an actual comparable sized reel to see if they match weights? Penn does have reels that fill the lighter casting role, and Shimano has big heavy high capacity/ drag reels. That said I have a semi comparable 4000 size from both shimano and Penn, the only main difference being age and drag. The Shimano is like 10+ years old and it still runs geat, but I keep it only in the freshwater, while the Penn is my all purpose medium size reel and its caught small reds, and a few okay snapper. I love them both for what I use them for. I don't have a matching Dawia yet, I'm waiting for the cheap toss about reel i use to break to get a Saltist or BG for my next one.
@@nucreative4556 It should have no problem too pull over 1m Amber jacks with this. I have 5500 and had no issue at all! But it gets bit tired as it's heavy. So if you are jigging all day, either change it to 5500 or 4500. And it still has more drag capacity than saragosa6000SW.
Tbh yes the saragosa are expensive to no have the line capacity as the slammer 🤦🏻♂️, i mean i still prefer slammer than saragosa shimano is great but way to over priced .🤦🏻♂️
I've always been a diehard Penn fishermen, but recently I've introduced some lighter shimanos into my arsenal, and so far I'm very impressed! Great reels 👍🏻
I discovered PENN brand many years ago after bad experiences with other reels in the coastal sea run brown trout fishing. Since that moment I cannot imagine to choose different reels than PENN. Perhaps these reels are not the smoothest ones but are full metal, sealed, reasonably priced and bulletproof. That's a simple recipe for a good reel.
shimano is made for higher skilled fishermen who care about looking after their reel and lightwieght performance penn is made for the lesser skilled fisherman with little care for their reels and no need for casting and skill
@@Chris_STR I think what he meant in his context is that Penn are for people who love fishing but are not gentle with their reels (I dont mean maintenace prespective). Lets be honest there are people out there who would use things like a rag doll as a habit. On the other hand, shimano are more bells and whistles. Therefore, you need extra care of your reel.
@FlattychasersNSW lol ok, whatever you think mate, what a joke, both reels can catch fish, it's not about skill, I own 2 Penn battle 3 8000 and 4000, and I look after my reels like a baby, I don't thrown them around, I clean them after ever session and oil and grease them, it's got nothing to do with "skill".
I've been watching you for a year now and bought a Shimano baitrunner and mojo surf 10'6" rod for Christmas. Can't wait for the weather to warm up so I can get out there and catch some fish. Love you guys, keep up the great work!
My dad and I have mostly penns, not out of loyalty but happenstance. They function fine, but don’t blow me away. I think the Penn Pursuit 3 is great value, I have a Shimano my wife uses, and I’m sincerely impressed with that reel. My favorite rig I own though, is my Piscifun Alijos.
I LOVE the Penn Pursuit, got it on a Penn Mariner rod in an awesome deal a few years ago and it was my most beloved setup. Had more expensive reels, for some reason that pursuit was so lightweight, yet so solid and never missed a beat, built so well, it was my favourite and most reliable reel. Probably still would be, and I've got a Slammer 3. Need to get another Pursuit as I lost my last combo. Gotta build it back up. By the way, on the light Penn Mariner rods (2-4kg, fast action) the tip is just so sensitive and unlike anything else I've fished with which was also that solid. Honourable mention is abu Garcia RayRex, Light 1-3kg rod, but they are a lot more fragile to bumps etc if you aren't careful with them. They hold up to a decent size fish still though!
Penn reels are the best hands down I have been using them for the past 20 years and I have never had a problem out of any reels the quality is on point and you can feel it in there reels.
"Yes" you should still trust Penn and/or any other reel. You have to look at it this way, How many of us either in the fishing world, electronic world, building world, etc have gotten name brand expensive equipment and it fails at the worst possible moment. In all honesty, s^%$ happens. Remember anything that humans or robots make will at some point either fail, break or not work anymore and of course at the worst possible moment. For every 1 handle that breaks, fails, or doesn't work, doesn't even compare to the success of the performance of the reel in general. I'm neither pro Penn or Shimano. I have both, and in my fishing career I have heard, seen, and experience reel failure. Again, it doesn't happen all the time. Even if you service it as your suppose too. Congrats to Penn on honoring their warranty. My opinion, This is what you look into in a company. Remember, it would be great to live in the perfect world that everything we buy, touch and own to never fail on us either at the worst possible moment or in general. Maybe its the Army background I have where you adapt and overcome at a less than a moments notice (that is no dig to or on anyone who doesn't have military background.) I just think in general we have to look at the overall picture is that Penn and Shimano has there pro and cons on every reel they make. As fisherman we use what we feel is right. Remember, using any reel is a hell of a lot better than watching fish swim by you and wishing you could catch them hahaha.
I have penns 3 spin fishers ,conflict, battle all from 2500 series to 6000 and have never had issues with weight or fatigue of casting I surf fish and inland fish in Texas
Where I'm from in California, we tend to float towards Penn. Why? They're robust for surf casting. They won't let you down, and quality is more noticeable. Your right though, shimano reels are similar to driving a Mercedes Benz, a BMW, jaguar,etc. There smooth, they're light weight, but... Based on my level of negligence, the PENN will outlast the shimano on salt water fishing. As for fresh water, i agree, the lighter,the smoother, the better.
Have a few Penn SSVs and I agree to heavy and both need service after 7 months of Togging. I've recently gone over to a couple BGs and pretty happy with the weight and smoothness so far. You cant beat the price for a almost fully sealed reel. I love my 2 Shimano for freshwater. But think the sealed Shimano for saltwater are big bucks. Thanks for the content. You guys rock!
The Gosa is not just smoothness and beauty. It’s a tank. I’ve horsed big red snapper, sharks, amberjack, bonito, Cobia and more with my 10K Gosa. And it still feels like the day I bought it. The thing is just a beast.
No, the saltist is basically a Daiwa bg with better stealing for an extra $100+. Very low quality in that reel to along with alot of there conventionals too. Says a lot right there... I prefer Shimano spinners and accurate conventionals with exceptions for Okuma makaira Avet raptors, and talicas. Just my point of view.
@@SuspendaS nah, I like the accurates and Avets. Some daiwas but I prefer Okuma. Ever since they teamed with Tiburon they have been making outstanding products! Daiwa is a cheap Chinese brand that copys lots of Shimano reels. The new saltiga looks like the Stella.
I fish off the rocks in South Africa. My favourite rod and reel combo is my Penn Allegiance II 11ft and Penn Wrath 5000. You are right that the Penn is a heavy reel, but I have no problem casting with it. The Penn Wrath is an entry level reel at a good cost and is very smooth (for now). My understanding is that it all depends on what you are fishing for and what you are casting. For casting bait, the Penn is a good reel, but for casting lures, I would go with a Shimano or Daiwa due to the lighter weight. Just my two cents...
Team Penn bro. Those Shimano’s while being smooth just aren’t as tough in my experience and parts can be a challenge to acquire. My Penns have yet to let me down.
Same here man, as for casting lures the only reel that gave me trouble is the slammer but tbh it’s not really meant for imo. Just get a clash if you want a good light weight reel.
I fish a lot and Iam hard on my gear... My pens reels never last a full season with out maintenance or complete failure.. My diawa reels need maintenance through out the a season but always get it back to working order.. This year though I will be switching to Shimano for the smooth ride.. I believe best bang for your buck is diawa but shimano always has that next level performance with smoothness and looks. Invest in a van staal if you need a workhorse my van staal vr has taken a beating for two years and is still strong.
@@frogliza9977 its less than half the price from a shimano with the same built quality (dont get fooled by the fan boys they all forget to name the price of the stradics and sara/stellas )......
Love my Daiwa BG 2500. Super smooth and has no problems reeling in fish. Iv used it for both freshwater water and light saltwater. Awesome reel for the price!
"When I throw this, my arm feels like it's going to fall off". 😂 Of course it is, the size difference in those reels your comparing is like comparing a Mack truck to a pickup truck. Get reels of similar size and they aren't that dissimilar in weight.
Own both of these reels, definitely agree with weight comparison, surf casting lures gets way more tiring fishing with the slammer 3. Smoothness I give it to Shimano. Power(drag) I give it to Penn. Like skipper said. Purchase the reel that equips your type of fishing. Have yet to lose fish on these two reels. Fingers crossed. Great review. 👍
Ya ive got both a shimano and penn reel that ive used and i prefer my penn for surf/pier fishing and prefer my shimano for artificial bait fishing (lures etc.). I just love my penn for rough fishing ive fallen into surf and completely flooded my reel and i got back up and kept reeling no issues and as long as theyre properly maintained i havent had any issues, but they are tiring to use when your casting repeatedly thats when i pull out my lighter tackle rod with my shimano
Having branding and product design in my background, I appreciate Penn's excellent trade dress of recent years. When you see a Penn from afar, you know it's a Penn. Shimano's product design seems random and nondescript. You could slap a Daiwa, Okuma, or even Sougayilang logo on it and fool people. Yes, those things influence my purchase decisions. Consumer surveys show that a lot of anglers enjoy being seen with good looking gear. A compliment on my impeccably matched rod and reel color schemes and motifs is as good as catching a fish.
I'm shopping for a surf spinning rod and reel. I've been exploring Penn (products and reviews); and, watching you catch fish like crazy on the beaches of the world...BTW, the Cabo San Lucas excursion was crazy-fun to watch! After all I've seen, including this video right here confirming the lighter aspects of Shimano and the shaky reliability of Penn reels, I'm exploring Shimano rod-reel combos. Based on what I've seen, Shimano uses a worm-gear setup, which gives it a slimmer profile and lighter weight. The Penn uses a cam...loads of screws inside, which could work loose, causing the funky noises you've experienced. In any case, I hear you. I don't want to have to crack-open the reel for maintenance all that often. I like what you're saying about your Shimano reel not needing any attention after a year. All things considered, I'm looking at a 10' Shimano rod/reel combo: The Offshore Angler Breakwater Surf Spinning Rod and Reel Combo - BR8000/1015302. This length is paired with either the 7000 or 8000 reel. What are your thoughts? I'll be fishing San Diego, CA area beaches...expect to catch surfperch, Mackerel, and...it might be nice to hook some juvenile Bonita. Am I dreaming? :-) Your videos are awesome...recently discovered your channel...subscribed.
Team Shimano all day baby. By the way mate the Penn slammer 6500 is actually a lot more similar to the Saragosa 8000 and the 5500 slammer is more like the 6000 gosa. Sizing with Penn and also Daiwa are confusing haha.
Penn is such a more stronger reel from personal I have caugh easy 80kg stingray and on shimano they just get spooled way to easy my personal experiences
Thank you for the video, your channel is great! I use these reels every time I fish: Abu Cardinal 57, 55, 54 and 52. Dam Quick Royal MDS 5500, 4500, 3500 and 2500. Best regards Nikolo from Denmark
I'm team "Whatever lasts". I have an old Van Staal VS250N that has been through the campaigns. It's been submerged, dropped, whacked, and beaten, but Van Staal can repair or replace the parts of anything, and everything, I can break. I also have an old Penn 650SS and 850SS I use for bunker chunk'n. I can also get any part or service I have EVER needed. Now let's talk about my two (and only two, for a reason) Shimanos. My 2500FH is somewhere in the bilges of my brother's boat, and has been since the summer of 2010 because I need a new spindle for it. Ordered one from Mike's Reel repair right after I noticed the old one had split right were the pin goes through it, right above the drag click'r gear. Mike's had it on order for TWO YEARS! The part can't be had for ANY money because (according to Shimano) it's OBSOLETE! And don't get me started on the Stradic 5000FH I bought at the same time. It's shot! It needs a new side plate because two seasons of sand and salt did it in. If this reel had been made by Penn, I'd just buy a new side-plate, bearing, and spacer and move on with life. Here again, the parts are made of unobtainium! Hey, I think it's wonderful that the UA-cam celebrities of this world get neat new tackle every year (at a reduced price, or even FREE) to show off to the envious masses. For the rest of us, who expect a $200 reel to last AT LEAST ten years, I'll keep buying the ones that can be repaired in the USA. By the way, my Van Staals are all over 20-years old and they're still going strong, with no end in sight. If I ever do buy another expensive reel, it sure as hell won't be an asian-wonder, that will be "obsolete" in five years or less.
LEO ASHRAE I love my VR150, it’s been dunked, dragged, dropped, no issue yet. It’s been on many beach trips and a few deep sea charters. Maybe one day I will get a VS X series.
I enjoy your videos Skipper. Good job comparing these reels. I've been using Penn spinning reels in saltwater for 33 years. In my experience there is little comparison between the 2 brands. Shimano is fine for light tackle out of a boat, but they will not last. I have over 30 Penn reels going back to the late 1980's. Every one of them are still in perfect working order. I have never had 1 Penn reel to malfunction while fishing. 100% for me! I couldn't care less about weight of a reel. It's about quality and dependability to me. I am loyal to the products that have served me well. Tight lines!
I've bought Penn Spinfisher IV 2500 and a Shimano Stradic CI4+ 2500 at the same time. I fished them both equally off a jetski and gave them the same after use rinse. The shimano stradic had to go for repairs (under warrantee) then it died the following season and is now in a landfill somewhere. The Penn Spinfisher is still perfect and hasn't even had a service yet. I was so impressed with Penn Spinfisher that I went out and bought 3 different sizes of the next model up (Penn Slammer). I've been so impressed with them that I've now sold my Daiwa Saltist 4000 LTD and Shimano Saragosa to get a Penn Authority. I fish a lot here in New Zealand and I like Shimano, I have Talica 8ii and I've even just bought a Beastmaster 9000A electric, but when it comes to spinning reels, I now only fish Penn IPX rated reels. I also had a Shimano Stella 2500 FE which cost me over $500 in servicing in 3 years!! WTF. Sold it! I'm told it was an older fresh water reel, but never again. I'd rather have a slammer than a stella
Good point durable in harsh conditions I’ve burnt drags on tuna jus hand cut leather washers and reload and go 7 rigs on a tuna boat if u come home 3 working your doing good penn always kept it simple even in maintenance clean grease go
Switch to the 4500 slammer, if that tires you out then it's user error for sure. No offense but if your arms dead just from casting anything below a 8000 then it's time for some strength training
Ya i fish my 6500 slammer for 7 or 8 hours at a time casting big stickbaits and surface irons. I had problems with the sargosa's drag blowing out while jigging. Happened three times with the same reel. Got tired of it and switched to penn. Haven't had a problem since.
@@Devilfish415 I’ve been thinking of picking up a spinfisher for surf fishing. What kind of rod do you have yours paired with? Id be mainly throwing about 1-4ozs of weight
@@SmoocheeWallace I use the 4500 size with multiple rods, its a versatile size. I have a diawa emcast rod which is rated for 1-4oz lures and its a great fit with that size spinfisher.
I also am Shimano fanboy by heart and have quite a few different ones. Fresh and saltwater. And 8 different Stradic models alone. I also have a Penn Slammer 3 3500 and recently bought a Penn Slammer 4 5500 and I do love them both. And YES I do agree theres a weight difference. I seem to use the Slammer 5500 for beach cut bait or bottom bouncing deeper water. Shimano will remain my goto but I do appreciate the better drag for bigger fish. Question. Do you freshwater fish? I moved to Texas from London 4 years ago and my fishing was freshwater. My favorite ever reel is called a Mitchel Match. an absolutely amazing reel. NOT the new ones but the early ones. Please try one out. Excellent IMO for Bass.
Hey how are you doing I’m commenting on your pin versus Shimano fishing reel comparison yes I know this is an old video two years ago but I just wanted to let you know you hit it on the mark I have many friends that are pin purist and I only fish with light weight Rios named by Shimano I also had a pin pursuit 2 and I ended up trading it for a nice ugly stick fishing pole! My Shimano reels have never let me down I have been impressed over and over again I have caught numerous of big things like mutton snappers and groupers with my little Shimano reels!
Ah such a Miami swag! Love the portability it offers 🥰. You should get the one Bass Pro sells with holes along the rim so that once you casted out, you can pull the line through and hang it somewhere to see all the action
Hey skipper. i fish alot of zoom and soft lures to hard lures like crankbaits for bass and channel catfish as well. i did google search and the PENN Pursuit III Spinning Reel size 40 or 4,000 is perfect for bass or crappie or channel cats and im gonna be using 12 lbs pound line so seeing this vid makes me want this PENN Pursuit III Spinning Reel spinning reel size 40 all that much more. Makes me feel better to know im gonna have a heavy duty military tank spinning reel. to me $50 its a really nice looking reel that i can trust to get me some bass or channel cats when i need it the most. Thanks for uploading this vid. really makes me feel better about this.
I just think they are different classifications. I love Penn, I love Shimano. They are two totally different animals and one is a blunt object, the other is a surgical device. I love penn that they just KEEP RUNNING no matter what gets on them or in them. I love Shimano that they are just butter smooth and reel like a dream with a silky feel that is virtually unmatched (except for Daiwa but that's another matter IMO) I run a Penn Fathom lever-drag 2 speed for my monster sturgeon on the snake river, and a Penn Spinfisher V 8500 LL which is the equivalent of the Baitrunner from Shimano. It's a monster of a reel but it casts a mile and I can depend on it day in, day out. I run Shimano for my lightweight 4000 and under series reels, and Penn for my big dogs. Love them all, but keep them apples to apples. This one was two different performers.
the saltiga is for people with a lot of money and most fishermen are not there, i have 4 of them and 11 stella's and in my opinion the stella is still the feinshmecker reel with fine tuned clutch adjustment etc etc while saltiga is a brute. They are both very expensive and both work. Period.
Team “PENN” it’s more in my budget and the reliability I’ve had with holding and straight up putting work on big fish. I’ve never really had a chance to use any Shimano tackle but know it’s up there in comparison when you get up in both higher price ranges! Penn for sure has more power for the money!
@@nelson442 One thing I should I have mentioned, the Spinfisher VI comes in a bait runner 8500 version, which is a nice option for shark fishing from shore.
@@nelson442 If all you're gonna use it for is giant fish, and you're paddling baits out instead of casting, and for some reason you want to stick to spinning - the Slammer is a no-brainer. The bait runner (Liveliner in Penn speak) is great and all, but when you're setting a large cut bait on a concrete block sinker there's no point to it. But I do have 2 of them, a 6500 and 4500 (Spinfisher V) and they're pretty nice. I just don't use that feature enough to be worth it. I'd rather have less complexity most of the time.
as an aussie im used to alveys and have sed them for everything and spinning gear is just odd to me saying that i own a dogfight and saltiga as well as a Stella and Saragosa ....penn have failed me to many times .
So I have both as well. They are both of my go to reels. I do feel what you are saying is correct. What most ppl don't understand is max drag. To utilize that max drag you would have to put a very high lbs test line on its making it shit to cast and bigger line means less bites in a lot of cases. With that being If you are looking for similar size reels like the ones in this video. You are limited on line weight anyway and will never use the max drag on either real. So what would be the point of max drag? I would like to see anyone free standing without any support or fighting belt hold on to 40lbs of drag!!!
Great review video! I have owned three Penn Slammer 3 for two years now. I bought them because they are good-looking, heavy-duty and powerful. For the first several months, they were really smooth, but they became stiffer after several months use. I did maintenance myself for many times, I just couldn't get the original smoothness back. Now I only use them for bait fishing. The most horrible issue I have with Penn is that the handle of one of the reels snapped into two pieces right at the middle joint recently. Unbelievable! I am now a Shimano guy. I own a Saragossa and Twin-power. I really enjoy the smoothness. But they are not as heavy-duty as my Slammer. I need to use them with extra care. Recently, I ordered a Daiwa Certate SW directly from Japan. Haven't got it yet, but can't wait to try it.
Over the years I have tried using different spinning reels from all the different companies. Didn't have a lot of money so I usually bought reels that were on sale. Everything was good as long as I was able to go out and go fishing. Started with pier fishing (Pensacola, FL and Redondo Beach, CA) and eventually moved up to the Southern California sport fishing boats for near shore Pacific Ocean fishing. That was many years ago and now as I am getting back into fishing I am purchasing Penn reels for their metal body toughness and water seal protection. I want reels that will last for many years of use and that I will not have to replace due to weak gears or rust and corrosion. I read everything I could find online and watched UA-cam on what reels and rods used by those who go surf fishing or kayak fishing to get a good idea of what reels can take on saltwater ocean fishing. Perhaps as soon as I can get back into fishing more frequently, I will purchase the smooth Shimano and Daiwa reels. But as I said before, anything that gets you out on the water has to be a good thing. Fish on the line is always a good thing.
Penn for me is just too heavy for their reels, while Shimano is smooth, sturdy, and a great feeling. I have the stella, sahara, stradic, stradic ci4, and twinpower, all are greatand long lasting. Worth the money
I have both the Gosa 5000 and Slammer 5500. I had the opposite result. Bought them a month apart from each other during Covid when it was slim pickings. My Shimano made grinding noises after 6 months (apparently it was the common line feed bearing) and 3 years later my Slammer is smooth as butter. They are both great and they all will have their own quirks or issues depending on their uses. I just bought a Shimano NASCI 5000 with a 7' TFO rod and I love the small form factor of the NASCI. Perfect and super light weight for my boat fishing needs.
I fully understand, is not that one is better than the other, it is a matter of preference. I am currently a Penn Guy about to test the Shimano products. I will comment latter. Keep up the good work. Where are you at?
I must be Superman! I can fish with my Penn Spinfisher VI 8500 jigging all day. I used to use Shimano spinning reels for bass fishing and I don't think I ever had one last a year. But I fished a lot. Now I fish saltwater in the PNW. I'll take that heavy duty truck any day. A sports car just ain't going to cut it.
My friend, you have amazing video's! I personally don't have any experience with Penn, but i do have 3 decades experience with Shimano. (4500B, 10000xtea, big bait runner...) Three decades without a single fail! After some scum stole my car with like almost all of my gear in it, a mate let me have his Daiwa infinity's for the upcoming season. Since than i'm team Daiwa ))) But honestly, i'd love to try out Penn any day.
Team shimano for life. Me and my bro go at it all day- penn vs shimano. Penn reels are rugged, durable, beefy, built like tanks but are literally “heavy” duty. Shimano reels are mechanical masterpieces, the bmw of reels. Sedona, Stradic, spheros, Calcutta, curado k, slx dc and the tranx make up my entire arsenal for almost all applications.
Hi! I’m thinking to buy a new shore jigging reel between Slammer 3 5500, saragosa 8000 or bg mq 8000. What do you suggest me? I need 300m of Pe3 40lbs at least.
Im sorry dude but you need to service your reels after every use specially when you are wading trough waves, open them up hot water and lune them. Not once every year😂
Gys de Wet After every use? I would service a year once a year. If you have to service a reel every time you use it, it’s a piece of shit reel. You buy reels that are quality so you DONT have to service it all the time. It don’t make sense to buy something that doesn’t hold up and require service after every use.
@Johnathan Lo cheaper reels like shimano and kastking (kids)i was servicing every month, my daiwa sol (mag sealed) is still primed as the day i got it (6 months)
Gys de Wet Not me, I surf fish and deep sea fish, after each trip I spray them with a very weak soapy solution and rinse them very good. Oil on certain points, No problems in 8 years. But I only have 14 setups to take care of.
@Johnathan Lo It called basic maintenance ......wipe down with a rag with inox on it......lube the bail roller.(very important) ....and main shaft.....drop of oil to the bearings/handles .....spray over reel with inox and never leave in an air tight box....an airy bag will do.....keep it out of any kind of water and depending on use get serviced once a year.....never hose your reel down as you can drive salt into the small crevices.....INOX is superb and leaving a light coating over the whole reel gives protection and makes it easier to clean the next time.......ALWAYS BACK OFF THE DRAG at the end of a days fishing(just leave it on a tiny bit to stop any crud getting in there)...if you leave your drag done up it will compress your washers and fuck them up !....u lose drag and smooooothnesss.
I’ve been fishing south Florida, keys, and Everglades for 22 years now. Inshore and offshore fishing. I fished penn reels for the first 10 years, any and every reel. The last 12 have been shimano and I’m not turning back lmao.
Penn is bigger, built for a rod sitting against a pier.That Shimano is lighter,meant for 11ft tunami airwave elite... You can cast all day for stripers with 1.25 or 1.50 oz Popper's...The drag on a shimano saragosa or Shimano stradic is top notch compared to Penn.
Holly, I've been using penn since the start... and i stayed with the brand for one reason, and one reason alone... im used to it, and im comfortable with it.... i just got myself a penn authority 6500.... I love it...
Sealed reels are much heavier. I went to oceans east to buy a new reel and I tried out the 5500 to 4500 there was a very big difference in weight between those two so for the money I wanted the best drag system to the weight ratio. On any 5000 and up Penn it tends to be a much heavier reel. I do not own a Shimano and I was thinking about getting one I already own a battle II 2500 and the Slammer III 4500 and love it. I have fished my Slammer for 8 hours straight and there were times where I was happy I brought my sand spike and chair. My slammer has made short work of big stingrays and sharks as well as seabass it still feels like the day I bought it and it is two years old never been serviced. I took the spool part off and drag washer and cleaned them out with fresh water and any drag problems I was experiencing or grinding went away. I could rinse it thoroughly without worrying about corrosion since it is sealed take care of your tackle or throw your money away also since I was able to go in store to check everything out I was sure it was sturdy and I have never had a weird handle issue sorry to hear that I wonder if that is a 1 in a million occurrence I would also like to know how big this fish was was he trying to pull in Nessie of the Lochness?
😂😂 maybe he was hooked up to a monster. I think you make a good point about the sealed reel that I didn’t consider before. I agree it is well used sitting in a sand spike. Thanks for sharing your experience
#ShimanoGang You said it right and I agree! Penn is a workhorse but not as smooth, light or good looking as the Shimanos. Im biased as well. #TeamShimano
No you are the one who said the slammer is not smooth as shimmano. I merely pointed out all sealed reels are not smooth and take more effort to crank the handle due to the seal between tje handle and the body to keep the water out. Nothing smoother then a 1200 dollar stella but take it surf fishing in the northeast in nov and see how long it lasts .
@@stephenhusak6098 I understand what you are saying. My comment was that in my 'opinion', across the board I feel like Shimanos are smoother than Penns. Not talking about just the Slammer. A $100 Shimano > $100 Penn.
Now that IRT is coming out with a sealed reel im switching over to them anyway. Smoothness dont mean crap. Smooth doesnt stop a big ass fish that can pull you out of a boat. Thats the job of the drag and what a reel should be based on. With the exception of the big stella s and twin drag shimmano cannot compare to the dura drag system Penn is using now nor tje drag that IRT Van Staal or ZeeBass uses. Suggest you get to a gym if you have this much problems using a 5500 reel all day.
I have been using Shimano for many years, no problem. Old Pen reels like 750SS are good and heavy-duty for the surf. Shimano reels are very smooth drag and light. You can cast every day and do not get tired. I prefer Shimano over Penn now these days. Most of Penn reels are made from China and not good as used be.
I’ll take my old Penn 704Z and 706Z over a penn Slammer any day. Now if you want that Shimano to stay smooth you had better service it more often than every 5 years. I’m a vintage reel guy so we are in different worlds here. I know you have many vintage reels as well. I have a gorgeous Mitchell 396 PUM with a custom arm and line roller as well as a longer high speed Mitchell 498 handle. It is the finest surf reel I have ever used - vintage or modern. I will also say that my Shakespeare 2080 Sea Wonder and 2062 worm gear spinning reel are absolutely outstanding reels. I will say that the reels I have mentioned will all outlast your Shimano Saragossa or the Penn Slammer. They are built with far superior materials and timeless strong designs. You have done some very great videos with vintage reels and sometimes I don’t agree with you. The one with the Penn 704 Greenie for instance. There were some simple things you could have done in fishing with that reel that may have changed your conclusions a bit. Anyway, I can’t criticize a Shimano reels or a Penn Slammer all that much because I don’t own them. My bias Is with the use of vintage spinning reels of which I have serviced, restored, and own over 80. I totally agree with what you said about your choice of reels being both your particular taste and how you use them. I have 11 vintage Penns, 17 vintage Mitchells, and 11 vintage Daiwas that do all I need a reel to do. That’s all I can say. Please know that I am a very happy subscriber to your channel. I love the charming and often humorous parts of your videos, your interaction with your family, and your marriage proposal was absolutely precious! Keep up the great work! By the way I just got a 1950s Mer 52 PUNCH manual pick-up spinning reel - very rare and almost unknown in the USA. It is French and I got lucky. You should see it. It is a very elegant high end reel for the time. I had seen Ru-Mer reels but never one of these. You did a video with a Ru-Mer reel once. I couldn’t believe what another collector told me this Mer 52 was worth but I’ll never sell it.
Dude, Okuma make very good reels for the money! Most of my spinning reels are Okuma. I've been fishing them for years, never had a problem that wasn't related to neglect. We once found an Okuma Ceymar at the bottom of the sea. It hadn't been there long, but I stripped and cleaned every part of it to the last screw and have been using it regularly for nearly three years afterwards. Hasn't missed a beat. Okuma is good
@@Kinimatikos I have an Azores 40 and 65. Use both on my kayak, which is a harsh environment and kills substandard reels quickly. I've had the 40 for about a year and the 65 for about 6 months. I know it's not a long time but so far I'm impressed with them. I had a Daiwa exceler die after three trips on the kayak. I use the ceymar 65 as my main surf reel
@@Kinimatikos Oh, my oldest Okuma is a Cimeron 30 that I use for light tackle stuff. In its 12 year life its landed hundreds of fish. Still works great. I got my girlfriend an Okuma reel as her first reel. Am I fanboy? Maybe, but for a reason
Spinning reels were originally designed to make casting lighter baits easier. They are absolute garbage for fighting larger fish. You want to target big tarpon get a conventional reel, much better drag systems.
i hooked one kingfish on a nasci and it burnt the drag out in about 30 seconds and bent the shaft/pinion... game over. thats when i learn't they are all feltdrag even the stella. ha. and their stupid marketing on the socorro and the other one also the nasci. all identical. but huge price diff. (literally a 20c washer difference and some color) fuck shitmano.
Just changed my rods and reels. The squeeze was put on heavy for Shimano, but I went back to Pen. Had my old pens for 30 yrs, still run great, just better technology now. Had a fantastic run with Pen and you never ditch a good. thing
This video may be 2 years ago, but it's gold. Very good review. I've gone throught quiet a few penn reels myself. They are built like a tank..for a whole summer of fishing season tops. Mine sounds like shit after a weeks of use. I also like to think penn and shimanp don't like each other. I ended up using a shimano oil to butter up my reel and it did not like that at all. Now I can't even crank the handle 1 full revolution without running into resistance. It just wouldn't crank. I like to cast alot too, and light weight is preferred. The penn III 4000 is actually really awesome. It's light and paired with a shimano slx rod. Feels like air. Except penn just goes to crap.
On the contrast my Penn slammer 3 6500 failed in multiple ways after a season of yellowtail kingfish in new Zealand, never had an issue with my shimanos
I own many brands of spinning reals and some of my favorites are penns. I've never had a Penn cause me grief but it could happen tomorrow. I would think well of Penn if they made it right. I also would likely not use a spinning reel for shark fishing. I would strongly prefer a large Penn with a star drag but that's just my personal preference.
I have Penn Slammer III 6500 and Penn Slammer III 4500, and I have no issues with them at all. I have no noise on both of my Penn Slammers, and I have used them every weekend. I pulled out many big bull reds and my Penn Slammers did not disappoint me at all. Smooth like silk. I understand that different people have difference opinions.
Very nice summary! I owned both Penn and Shimano reels here in the south island of New Zealand, my experiences can be summarized as follow,, if you decide to have a smaller reel (3000 size ish) to go for sea fishing, both brands have amazing reels for such purpose, I have landed barracudas over 1 meter with both brands (Shimano: stradic 2500, Penn: clash 2500). If you are more of a surfcasting guy, I would always go for PENN, especially with the new Squall or Fathom star drag, or the Slammer you mentioned in the video, we have quite a bit of sharks and stingrays here in the southern part of New Zealand, Penn can handle them way better than Shimano! In terms of fresh water / river mouth fishing, Shimano has a huge advantage over Penn, as Penn here in New Zealand does not really involved with freshwater fishing at all. For baitcaster fans (the minorities here in New Zealand), I would actually go for Daiwa over both brands.
Your Penn sounds like it missed greasing at the factory. I own both as big pit surf casters. If my penn had ended like this in under a year I would of sent it back to penn. my big penn is a winching tool I use for big shark, eel & ray It does the job very well. My shimano is more for the game fish like barracudas
For the watchers out there, Shimano sizing are much smaller than the standard size we are accustomed to. My Shimano Stradic 4000 is about the same size as my Penn Spinfisher 2500. So a good comparison for this Slammer 6500 would be the Saragosa 14000. With that said I do feel the Shimano is smoother but also appears to be much more fragile.
Like your videos but this one is an error. In the begining you said it was a 5000 Shimano then you are talking about a 6000 Shimano??? Anyway... You can't compare a slammer 6500 to a shimano 5000 no comparison. Don't let the model numbers fool you. A shimano 5000 is more similar to a Penn 3500 which is a much lighter reel and it still has more power than a Shimano 5000 and probably a 6000 as well. I fish with a Penn 3500 or even a 4500 all day and it is fine. A Penn 6500 is a BRICK. That is more for deep sea fishing were you set it and forget it. Don't go by model numbers compare reals by specs.
agree'd. doesn't even mention the slammer drag
Penn Slammer 4500 vs. Shimano or Daiwa 4000-5000. It’s half the weight.
100% agreed.
100% agree! He was NOT comparing the right size between the two reels.
Yess, that chinese is shimano guys
I surf fish exclusively. I own both. I can’t imagine ever being loyal to just one brand. I like variety. That being said, the Shimano is the smoothest reel I’ve ever encountered. It just doesn’t matter a whole lot when your set up is sitting in a rod holder. If I was casting and retrieving all day, I’m sure I’d use the Shimano more.
I fish off a kayak and cast non stop. Weight makes a significant difference.
Shimano are only smooth because the tolerances inside are so loose and hardly and grease inside
Love my Gosa 10K. In 2 years landed 5 wahoos, 2 decent tunas, 2 uluas, and countless small fish. She fell off the boat and went overboard into the ocean, dove into the water and retrieved her 15' below the surface. Opened her up and bone dry. Absolute beast of a reel.
South African (Cape Town) here .... In our neck the woods we do surf / rock fishing mostly. Before "Coffee Grinders" were the rage Penn was the go-to reel ie Free Spool reel (Starting with the Penn 45 (way back) and the Penn 500). The fish we catch in the Western Cape are generally big and include Yellow tail, cob, grunter etc and then also ragged-tooth sharks, gully sharks etc ..... the go to reels include the Shimano Saragosa 6000, 8000 and 10000, additionally the Shimano Twin-Power 6000, 8000 and 10000.
Gosa
I love SA fishing. It's like our fishing on steroids (Sydney Australia) we love chasing big cob, we call them Jewfish/Mulloway@@ashleycarelse6929
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said how different these two reels are. The Penn might be marketed towards a group who want a heavier reel, possibly to put heavy bait on the hook and let it set on the bottom. Then you have the line capacity and drag to reel in whatever hits it. The Shimano might be marketing more of a casting crowd or at least a more mobile crowd who is more concerned with the weight of the reel than the drag or line capacity. As you said, both reels will get the job done in almost ALL situations.
I like how you stayed out of the corner of saying which one was "better" than the other by approaching this from a differences standpoint. This way you are being helpful to anyone looking at or comparing these two reels and consumers can make a more educated choice and pick what best fits their needs.
Awesome video.
Penn is a reel for people that don’t want to spend $
I agree, ive got a penn ive been using for a while and i love them for pier fishing and surf fishing havnt tried it offshore but im sure its great. But i also have a shimano that i use whenecer im casting out artificial bait or going fishing with a lighter tackle setup.
To be fair, he's comparing a Slammer, and probably should be comparing a Spinfisher instead. Slammers are, and always have been - a meat stick reel. I personally don't use spinning reels in that class, my meat sticks are all conventional.
@@fishingthepeje7557 Exactly and Penn delivers on you get what you pay for. Junk.
They stole the penn reel because thieves always go for the best lol.
LOL, smart bastards...
Yeah right
Yup
brought it back the next day after he fished with it.... lol.
Lol
Lmao “ I love you too” thats what the reel said back when cranking Shimano
Team penn, always been on my budget. Never had a bad experience with dawia either have two of them. But I'm stay true to penn. Great video. Always fish with what you love and do best with.
Penn, never had a problem. I have 15 year old reel
Right brother my slammer old 1st
You see my channel fishing day 1
Fishing day 2 part 2
Fishing day 3 .....very good power but you must good maintenance
Same
The old models were made in the USA and were bullet proof......since they went to china and use cheap local components,they have gone right down hill.....the SS versions used to be awesome but you paid the money for them......now they are cheap but they are also nasty as well.
My friends dad has spinfisher 1s from the 1980s and the thing is smooth as butter and it’s never been taken apart
Same never had a problem with my penns
Is "I'm a broke mofo and buy whatever I can find in the pawnshop" a team?
Even if i had money I would still buy my reels at the pawn shop
@Azbycxdwevfugthsirjqkplomn McPinth ya you could buy a brand new reel and the first time you use it the thing is used..,. Pay half as much at the pawn shop and you have more money for fuel to go fishing 🙄
I own mostly Shimano, Okuma, Penn, and Daiwa. It sounds crazy but I've landed more big fish on Okuma reels. Still love Penns despite being heavy. Being from Texas I'm usually fishing for Redfish and trout. I'm hooked on your videos. Really good stuff! Love the content!
What small reel in the 2500 size (under 9oz) would you recommend to catch flounder and specks that can also handle a redfish (5 - 10lbs) if it decides to bite?
I use 10lb braid.
@@DongWang-m4n Get a Daiwa BG MQ 3000 (9.3oz) even the 4000 is only 10oz..but if you're willing to spend more look up Shimano Twin Power XD,Daiwa Certate and Shimano Vanquish too
This was a very poor comparison video. I'm pretty sure its in the name "slammer" that its meant to be bigger and heavier than other reels. With all the other Shimano reels you have, do none of them have comparable drag/line capacity for an actual comparable sized reel to see if they match weights? Penn does have reels that fill the lighter casting role, and Shimano has big heavy high capacity/ drag reels.
That said I have a semi comparable 4000 size from both shimano and Penn, the only main difference being age and drag. The Shimano is like 10+ years old and it still runs geat, but I keep it only in the freshwater, while the Penn is my all purpose medium size reel and its caught small reds, and a few okay snapper. I love them both for what I use them for. I don't have a matching Dawia yet, I'm waiting for the cheap toss about reel i use to break to get a Saltist or BG for my next one.
Drop down to penn 4500 model. Slightly lighter, stronger drag, and still more capacity than a gosa 5000.
40 inch retrieval
@Dane Yawn what's it like? I just ordered one
@Dane Yawn I brought the 6500 arrives today hope it will get the job done jigging for Amber jacks
@@nucreative4556 It should have no problem too pull over 1m Amber jacks with this. I have 5500 and had no issue at all! But it gets bit tired as it's heavy. So if you are jigging all day, either change it to 5500 or 4500. And it still has more drag capacity than saragosa6000SW.
Tbh yes the saragosa are expensive to no have the line capacity as the slammer 🤦🏻♂️, i mean i still prefer slammer than saragosa shimano is great but way to over priced .🤦🏻♂️
I've always been a diehard Penn fishermen, but recently I've introduced some lighter shimanos into my arsenal, and so far I'm very impressed! Great reels 👍🏻
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Check out the Penn Conflict II's. They are about the lightest reels I've ever used.
I discovered PENN brand many years ago after bad experiences with other reels in the coastal sea run brown trout fishing. Since that moment I cannot imagine to choose different reels than PENN. Perhaps these reels are not the smoothest ones but are full metal, sealed, reasonably priced and bulletproof. That's a simple recipe for a good reel.
Iceland Brown trout and Penn a winning combination
shimano is made for higher skilled fishermen who care about looking after their reel and lightwieght performance
penn is made for the lesser skilled fisherman with little care for their reels and no need for casting and skill
@@FlattychasersNSW lol who taught u anything about fishing lol
@@Chris_STR I think what he meant in his context is that Penn are for people who love fishing but are not gentle with their reels (I dont mean maintenace prespective). Lets be honest there are people out there who would use things like a rag doll as a habit. On the other hand, shimano are more bells and whistles. Therefore, you need extra care of your reel.
@FlattychasersNSW lol ok, whatever you think mate, what a joke, both reels can catch fish, it's not about skill, I own 2 Penn battle 3 8000 and 4000, and I look after my reels like a baby, I don't thrown them around, I clean them after ever session and oil and grease them, it's got nothing to do with "skill".
Shimano hands down. I have a Shimano reel that my dad bought the year I was born. It's 32 years old and i use it all the time
That’s a great memory and a great story
I've got Shimano reels, some over 40 years old, that I still use, and Diawa , one baitcaster over 40 and spinning reel over 50
I've been watching you for a year now and bought a Shimano baitrunner and mojo surf 10'6" rod for Christmas. Can't wait for the weather to warm up so I can get out there and catch some fish. Love you guys, keep up the great work!
I think he trying to get sponsor from shimano
Not happening....he is not catching fish that is big enough
Can't hurt to try, it isn't like he's a fraud and don't fish.
And you just ruined his chance
I don’t think they will sponsor someone who likes catching catfish lol
He love when they reel say I love you😅
I have a Penn Live Liner. My goal in life is to fish often enough to wear out a reel.
Eric Thompson nice goal! First time hearing someone say that.
I don’t think you’re going to have that problem, unless you have your own boat and go out everyday with the same rod for years.
Go to barrier reef Australia. Lots of reels die there.
Fishing team !
My dad and I have mostly penns, not out of loyalty but happenstance. They function fine, but don’t blow me away. I think the Penn Pursuit 3 is great value, I have a Shimano my wife uses, and I’m sincerely impressed with that reel. My favorite rig I own though, is my Piscifun Alijos.
I LOVE the Penn Pursuit, got it on a Penn Mariner rod in an awesome deal a few years ago and it was my most beloved setup. Had more expensive reels, for some reason that pursuit was so lightweight, yet so solid and never missed a beat, built so well, it was my favourite and most reliable reel. Probably still would be, and I've got a Slammer 3.
Need to get another Pursuit as I lost my last combo. Gotta build it back up. By the way, on the light Penn Mariner rods (2-4kg, fast action) the tip is just so sensitive and unlike anything else I've fished with which was also that solid.
Honourable mention is abu Garcia RayRex, Light 1-3kg rod, but they are a lot more fragile to bumps etc if you aren't careful with them. They hold up to a decent size fish still though!
Penn reels are the best hands down I have been using them for the past 20 years and I have never had a problem out of any reels the quality is on point and you can feel it in there reels.
Those who never service their reels need a reel with the lowest bearing count. Majority of the time, failure is due to bearings going bad or seizing..
I’ve used my penn kingfishers for years, with no service, and they are great. No sound. No issues. Also, my needs differ from your needs.
"Yes" you should still trust Penn and/or any other reel. You have to look at it this way, How many of us either in the fishing world, electronic world, building world, etc have gotten name brand expensive equipment and it fails at the worst possible moment. In all honesty, s^%$ happens. Remember anything that humans or robots make will at some point either fail, break or not work anymore and of course at the worst possible moment. For every 1 handle that breaks, fails, or doesn't work, doesn't even compare to the success of the performance of the reel in general. I'm neither pro Penn or Shimano. I have both, and in my fishing career I have heard, seen, and experience reel failure. Again, it doesn't happen all the time. Even if you service it as your suppose too. Congrats to Penn on honoring their warranty. My opinion, This is what you look into in a company. Remember, it would be great to live in the perfect world that everything we buy, touch and own to never fail on us either at the worst possible moment or in general. Maybe its the Army background I have where you adapt and overcome at a less than a moments notice (that is no dig to or on anyone who doesn't have military background.) I just think in general we have to look at the overall picture is that Penn and Shimano has there pro and cons on every reel they make. As fisherman we use what we feel is right. Remember, using any reel is a hell of a lot better than watching fish swim by you and wishing you could catch them hahaha.
I have penns 3 spin fishers ,conflict, battle all from 2500 series to 6000 and have never had issues with weight or fatigue of casting I surf fish and inland fish in Texas
Where I'm from in California, we tend to float towards Penn. Why? They're robust for surf casting. They won't let you down, and quality is more noticeable. Your right though, shimano reels are similar to driving a Mercedes Benz, a BMW, jaguar,etc. There smooth, they're light weight, but... Based on my level of negligence, the PENN will outlast the shimano on salt water fishing. As for fresh water, i agree, the lighter,the smoother, the better.
Have a few Penn SSVs and I agree to heavy and both need service after 7 months of Togging. I've recently gone over to a couple BGs and pretty happy with the weight and smoothness so far. You cant beat the price for a almost fully sealed reel. I love my 2 Shimano for freshwater. But think the sealed Shimano for saltwater are big bucks. Thanks for the content. You guys rock!
I have a SSV 9500 and i used in alot in over 6 years without any service, its a little bit damaged, dut smooth like at the first day!
The Gosa is not just smoothness and beauty. It’s a tank. I’ve horsed big red snapper, sharks, amberjack, bonito, Cobia and more with my 10K Gosa. And it still feels like the day I bought it. The thing is just a beast.
Saragosa?
thats the problem with his comparason a 6500 slammer is the slammer equivalent of a 10k gosa
Daiwa is really the best spinning reel company by far I’m biased towards both daiwa and shimano owning some of both reels
No, the saltist is basically a Daiwa bg with better stealing for an extra $100+. Very low quality in that reel to along with alot of there conventionals too. Says a lot right there... I prefer Shimano spinners and accurate conventionals with exceptions for Okuma makaira Avet raptors, and talicas. Just my point of view.
Daiwa is number 2. Shimano is number 1
@@SuspendaS nah, I like the accurates and Avets. Some daiwas but I prefer Okuma. Ever since they teamed with Tiburon they have been making outstanding products! Daiwa is a cheap Chinese brand that copys lots of Shimano reels. The new saltiga looks like the Stella.
@@SuspendaS lots of people do bass fishing and don't see most of the top notch brands like avet, and accurate.
@@fadelover123 daiwa Is a Japanese brand, I should know because I live in Japan :) hehe
I fish off the rocks in South Africa. My favourite rod and reel combo is my Penn Allegiance II 11ft and Penn Wrath 5000. You are right that the Penn is a heavy reel, but I have no problem casting with it. The Penn Wrath is an entry level reel at a good cost and is very smooth (for now).
My understanding is that it all depends on what you are fishing for and what you are casting. For casting bait, the Penn is a good reel, but for casting lures, I would go with a Shimano or Daiwa due to the lighter weight.
Just my two cents...
Team Penn bro. Those Shimano’s while being smooth just aren’t as tough in my experience and parts can be a challenge to acquire. My Penns have yet to let me down.
Stfu
@@user-ep8lp5ps8c GFY
Same here man, as for casting lures the only reel that gave me trouble is the slammer but tbh it’s not really meant for imo. Just get a clash if you want a good light weight reel.
I fish a lot and Iam hard on my gear... My pens reels never last a full season with out maintenance or complete failure.. My diawa reels need maintenance through out the a season but always get it back to working order.. This year though I will be switching to Shimano for the smooth ride.. I believe best bang for your buck is diawa but shimano always has that next level performance with smoothness and looks. Invest in a van staal if you need a workhorse my van staal vr has taken a beating for two years and is still strong.
Penn is pretty heavy but is more budget friendly
that slammer is def not budget friendly
Baja Dan mine works fine in surf and in saltwater. And the sand goes for pretty much all reels.
Still better all around penn than shimano
Facts
@@frogliza9977 its less than half the price from a shimano with the same built quality (dont get fooled by the fan boys they all forget to name the price of the stradics and sara/stellas )......
I use Daiwa BG Spinning reel. I would like to see your review on one
jun ryu daiwa all the way!!
Love my Daiwa BG 2500. Super smooth and has no problems reeling in fish. Iv used it for both freshwater water and light saltwater. Awesome reel for the price!
You should try a saltist. Basically an upgraded BG
I have the old school bg90 for about 13 years and have no problem
Love my Daiwa BG sweet reels
whispering "I Love U" hahaha that was awesome. Very good video, helped save me some money and sticking with Shimano.
"When I throw this, my arm feels like it's going to fall off". 😂 Of course it is, the size difference in those reels your comparing is like comparing a Mack truck to a pickup truck. Get reels of similar size and they aren't that dissimilar in weight.
20K Saragosa is about the same size as Penn 8500.
Own both of these reels, definitely agree with weight comparison, surf casting lures gets way more tiring fishing with the slammer 3. Smoothness I give it to Shimano. Power(drag) I give it to Penn. Like skipper said. Purchase the reel that equips your type of fishing. Have yet to lose fish on these two reels. Fingers crossed. Great review. 👍
Ya ive got both a shimano and penn reel that ive used and i prefer my penn for surf/pier fishing and prefer my shimano for artificial bait fishing (lures etc.). I just love my penn for rough fishing ive fallen into surf and completely flooded my reel and i got back up and kept reeling no issues and as long as theyre properly maintained i havent had any issues, but they are tiring to use when your casting repeatedly thats when i pull out my lighter tackle rod with my shimano
Having branding and product design in my background, I appreciate Penn's excellent trade dress of recent years. When you see a Penn from afar, you know it's a Penn. Shimano's product design seems random and nondescript. You could slap a Daiwa, Okuma, or even Sougayilang logo on it and fool people. Yes, those things influence my purchase decisions. Consumer surveys show that a lot of anglers enjoy being seen with good looking gear. A compliment on my impeccably matched rod and reel color schemes and motifs is as good as catching a fish.
Dad used penn so i used penn but when i got my hands on my first shimano i was sold
His girl 👧 whispered "I love ❤️ you" and this guy immediately "I love ❤️ shimano..saragosa"
I'm shopping for a surf spinning rod and reel. I've been exploring Penn (products and reviews); and, watching you catch fish like crazy on the beaches of the world...BTW, the Cabo San Lucas excursion was crazy-fun to watch! After all I've seen, including this video right here confirming the lighter aspects of Shimano and the shaky reliability of Penn reels, I'm exploring Shimano rod-reel combos. Based on what I've seen, Shimano uses a worm-gear setup, which gives it a slimmer profile and lighter weight. The Penn uses a cam...loads of screws inside, which could work loose, causing the funky noises you've experienced. In any case, I hear you. I don't want to have to crack-open the reel for maintenance all that often. I like what you're saying about your Shimano reel not needing any attention after a year. All things considered, I'm looking at a 10' Shimano rod/reel combo: The Offshore Angler Breakwater Surf Spinning Rod and Reel Combo - BR8000/1015302. This length is paired with either the 7000 or 8000 reel. What are your thoughts? I'll be fishing San Diego, CA area beaches...expect to catch surfperch, Mackerel, and...it might be nice to hook some juvenile Bonita. Am I dreaming? :-)
Your videos are awesome...recently discovered your channel...subscribed.
Team Shimano all day baby. By the way mate the Penn slammer 6500 is actually a lot more similar to the Saragosa 8000 and the 5500 slammer is more like the 6000 gosa. Sizing with Penn and also Daiwa are confusing haha.
Yes. He is using a different size reel to compare but Shimano all day.
I think the spider man fishing pole from Walmart is the best👌🏽🔥
I..... really? Lol
Saul Diaz facts bro I have the Paw Patrol version!!!!
@@HeySkipper I watched an eight year old girl using a walmart kiddie outfit outfish a fully kitted flyfisher in colorado trout waters
lol
Chuck the Penn on the Spiderman Rod/pole and your set to catch most.
Great Vid, I'm a Penn guy so I'm biased the other way. I'm new to your channel and look forward to seeing more.
Penn is such a more stronger reel from personal I have caugh easy 80kg stingray and on shimano they just get spooled way to easy my personal experiences
Thank you for the video, your channel is great! I use these reels every time I fish:
Abu Cardinal 57, 55, 54 and 52.
Dam Quick Royal MDS 5500, 4500, 3500 and 2500.
Best regards Nikolo from Denmark
I love Shimano, however Penn has the best sealed long cast reel 5000 or 6000 class. Penn does make the new fathom 2 magic cast
Honestly when it comes to spinning reels for saltwater applications, look no further than Diawa Certate, money well spent
That’s baller stats
I'm team "Whatever lasts". I have an old Van Staal VS250N that has been through the campaigns. It's been submerged, dropped, whacked, and beaten, but Van Staal can repair or replace the parts of anything, and everything, I can break. I also have an old Penn 650SS and 850SS I use for bunker chunk'n. I can also get any part or service I have EVER needed. Now let's talk about my two (and only two, for a reason) Shimanos. My 2500FH is somewhere in the bilges of my brother's boat, and has been since the summer of 2010 because I need a new spindle for it. Ordered one from Mike's Reel repair right after I noticed the old one had split right were the pin goes through it, right above the drag click'r gear. Mike's had it on order for TWO YEARS! The part can't be had for ANY money because (according to Shimano) it's OBSOLETE! And don't get me started on the Stradic 5000FH I bought at the same time. It's shot! It needs a new side plate because two seasons of sand and salt did it in. If this reel had been made by Penn, I'd just buy a new side-plate, bearing, and spacer and move on with life. Here again, the parts are made of unobtainium! Hey, I think it's wonderful that the UA-cam celebrities of this world get neat new tackle every year (at a reduced price, or even FREE) to show off to the envious masses. For the rest of us, who expect a $200 reel to last AT LEAST ten years, I'll keep buying the ones that can be repaired in the USA. By the way, my Van Staals are all over 20-years old and they're still going strong, with no end in sight. If I ever do buy another expensive reel, it sure as hell won't be an asian-wonder, that will be "obsolete" in five years or less.
LEO ASHRAE I love my VR150, it’s been dunked, dragged, dropped, no issue yet. It’s been on many beach trips and a few deep sea charters. Maybe one day I will get a VS X series.
Yup. Same here with my shimano curado. Can’t find parts for it so now I’m out 220.
I enjoy your videos Skipper. Good job comparing these reels. I've been using Penn spinning reels in saltwater for 33 years. In my experience there is little comparison between the 2 brands. Shimano is fine for light tackle out of a boat, but they will not last. I have over 30 Penn reels going back to the late 1980's. Every one of them are still in perfect working order. I have never had 1 Penn reel to malfunction while fishing. 100% for me! I couldn't care less about weight of a reel. It's about quality and dependability to me. I am loyal to the products that have served me well.
Tight lines!
I've bought Penn Spinfisher IV 2500 and a Shimano Stradic CI4+ 2500 at the same time. I fished them both equally off a jetski and gave them the same after use rinse. The shimano stradic had to go for repairs (under warrantee) then it died the following season and is now in a landfill somewhere. The Penn Spinfisher is still perfect and hasn't even had a service yet. I was so impressed with Penn Spinfisher that I went out and bought 3 different sizes of the next model up (Penn Slammer). I've been so impressed with them that I've now sold my Daiwa Saltist 4000 LTD and Shimano Saragosa to get a Penn Authority. I fish a lot here in New Zealand and I like Shimano, I have Talica 8ii and I've even just bought a Beastmaster 9000A electric, but when it comes to spinning reels, I now only fish Penn IPX rated reels.
I also had a Shimano Stella 2500 FE which cost me over $500 in servicing in 3 years!! WTF. Sold it! I'm told it was an older fresh water reel, but never again. I'd rather have a slammer than a stella
Good point durable in harsh conditions I’ve burnt drags on tuna jus hand cut leather washers and reload and go 7 rigs on a tuna boat if u come home 3 working your doing good penn always kept it simple even in maintenance clean grease go
Switch to the 4500 slammer, if that tires you out then it's user error for sure. No offense but if your arms dead just from casting anything below a 8000 then it's time for some strength training
Nailed it. Hes a girly man. I fish the 5500 for hours on end throwing 3 oz plugs and metal tins.
if we're having a dick measuring competition, I fish a 6500 saltiga and throw 200g poppers.
Ya i fish my 6500 slammer for 7 or 8 hours at a time casting big stickbaits and surface irons. I had problems with the sargosa's drag blowing out while jigging. Happened three times with the same reel. Got tired of it and switched to penn. Haven't had a problem since.
I've beaten the living balls off of all the brands I own penn, Shimano, Daiwa, and shockingly quantum. Never had any major issues with any of them
Penn spinfisher is also an option. They come in a smaller lighter sizes and still pretty rugged.
Ive had a spinfisher VI for years and its been dunked, dipped in sand, and caught about 200 stripers. Very dependable reel
@@Devilfish415 I’ve been thinking of picking up a spinfisher for surf fishing. What kind of rod do you have yours paired with? Id be mainly throwing about 1-4ozs of weight
@@SmoocheeWallace I use the 4500 size with multiple rods, its a versatile size. I have a diawa emcast rod which is rated for 1-4oz lures and its a great fit with that size spinfisher.
The diawa bg is a fantastic reel also but i believe that the spinfisher is more durable
@@Devilfish415 yeah I was looking at the BG as well, that’s good to know thank you! Which would you say is smoother?
I also am Shimano fanboy by heart and have quite a few different ones. Fresh and saltwater. And 8 different Stradic models alone. I also have a Penn Slammer 3 3500 and recently bought a Penn Slammer 4 5500 and I do love them both. And YES I do agree theres a weight difference. I seem to use the Slammer 5500 for beach cut bait or bottom bouncing deeper water. Shimano will remain my goto but I do appreciate the better drag for bigger fish. Question. Do you freshwater fish? I moved to Texas from London 4 years ago and my fishing was freshwater. My favorite ever reel is called a Mitchel Match. an absolutely amazing reel. NOT the new ones but the early ones. Please try one out. Excellent IMO for Bass.
Hey how are you doing I’m commenting on your pin versus Shimano fishing reel comparison yes I know this is an old video two years ago but I just wanted to let you know you hit it on the mark I have many friends that are pin purist and I only fish with light weight Rios named by Shimano I also had a pin pursuit 2 and I ended up trading it for a nice ugly stick fishing pole! My Shimano reels have never let me down I have been impressed over and over again I have caught numerous of big things like mutton snappers and groupers with my little Shimano reels!
I hand-line EVERYTHING...pretty inexpensive that way!
good for you buddy
Bet you catch huge sharks doing that
I use a Cuban YoYo, abour $8.
Ah such a Miami swag! Love the portability it offers 🥰.
You should get the one Bass Pro sells with holes along the rim so that once you casted out, you can pull the line through and hang it somewhere to see all the action
I use a rock in my sock to swing and target fish on site
There's a reason charter operators mainly use penn. They are bulletproof. Also way better drag than shimano
michael arnold there’s a simple solution right in the middle, van staals, only reel that can get everything done
butterPIGEONS yea if u wanna pay over 700$
@@lethalpickleballers tsunamis are like 400$ cheaper
Penn is much better because they have sealed bearings in the whole real is sealed
Very tru
I have a spinfisher 704 that I would not think twice about using while wading in the surf.
Hey skipper. i fish alot of zoom and soft lures to hard lures like crankbaits for bass and channel catfish as well. i did google search and the PENN Pursuit III Spinning Reel
size 40 or 4,000 is perfect for bass or crappie or channel cats and im gonna be using 12 lbs pound line so seeing this vid makes me want this PENN Pursuit III Spinning Reel
spinning reel size 40 all that much more. Makes me feel better to know im gonna have a heavy duty military tank spinning reel. to me $50 its a really nice looking reel that i can trust to get me some bass or channel cats when i need it the most. Thanks for uploading this vid. really makes me feel better about this.
I just think they are different classifications. I love Penn, I love Shimano. They are two totally different animals and one is a blunt object, the other is a surgical device. I love penn that they just KEEP RUNNING no matter what gets on them or in them. I love Shimano that they are just butter smooth and reel like a dream with a silky feel that is virtually unmatched (except for Daiwa but that's another matter IMO) I run a Penn Fathom lever-drag 2 speed for my monster sturgeon on the snake river, and a Penn Spinfisher V 8500 LL which is the equivalent of the Baitrunner from Shimano. It's a monster of a reel but it casts a mile and I can depend on it day in, day out. I run Shimano for my lightweight 4000 and under series reels, and Penn for my big dogs. Love them all, but keep them apples to apples. This one was two different performers.
Try Dawaia BG and Saltist models. They re light and comfortable. Saltist allows a knob handle.
Joseph Tien agreed daiwa is the best brand out there now between them and shimano
Dawaia bg is a great reel, but is by no means a light reel.
True. Its no super light yes but its very lighter than Penn
the saltiga is for people with a lot of money and most fishermen are not there, i have 4 of them and 11 stella's and in my opinion the stella is still the feinshmecker reel with fine tuned clutch adjustment etc etc while saltiga is a brute. They are both very expensive and both work. Period.
Joseph Tien the bg is one of the best reels I have ever used, so good I had to buy a second one
Team “PENN” it’s more in my budget and the reliability I’ve had with holding and straight up putting work on big fish. I’ve never really had a chance to use any Shimano tackle but know it’s up there in comparison when you get up in both higher price ranges! Penn for sure has more power for the money!
What would u recomend for surf shark fishing slammer 3 10500, spinfisher vi 10500, or the spheros 2021 sw 20k
@@nelson442 One thing I should I have mentioned, the Spinfisher VI comes in a bait runner 8500 version, which is a nice option for shark fishing from shore.
@@nelson442 If all you're gonna use it for is giant fish, and you're paddling baits out instead of casting, and for some reason you want to stick to spinning - the Slammer is a no-brainer. The bait runner (Liveliner in Penn speak) is great and all, but when you're setting a large cut bait on a concrete block sinker there's no point to it. But I do have 2 of them, a 6500 and 4500 (Spinfisher V) and they're pretty nice. I just don't use that feature enough to be worth it. I'd rather have less complexity most of the time.
as an aussie im used to alveys and have sed them for everything and spinning gear is just odd to me saying that i own a dogfight and saltiga as well as a Stella and Saragosa ....penn have failed me to many times .
So I have both as well. They are both of my go to reels. I do feel what you are saying is correct. What most ppl don't understand is max drag. To utilize that max drag you would have to put a very high lbs test line on its making it shit to cast and bigger line means less bites in a lot of cases. With that being If you are looking for similar size reels like the ones in this video. You are limited on line weight anyway and will never use the max drag on either real. So what would be the point of max drag? I would like to see anyone free standing without any support or fighting belt hold on to 40lbs of drag!!!
Great review video! I have owned three Penn Slammer 3 for two years now. I bought them because they are good-looking, heavy-duty and powerful. For the first several months, they were really smooth, but they became stiffer after several months use. I did maintenance myself for many times, I just couldn't get the original smoothness back. Now I only use them for bait fishing. The most horrible issue I have with Penn is that the handle of one of the reels snapped into two pieces right at the middle joint recently. Unbelievable! I am now a Shimano guy. I own a Saragossa and Twin-power. I really enjoy the smoothness. But they are not as heavy-duty as my Slammer. I need to use them with extra care. Recently, I ordered a Daiwa Certate SW directly from Japan. Haven't got it yet, but can't wait to try it.
Over the years I have tried using different spinning reels from all the different companies. Didn't have a lot of money so I usually bought reels that were on sale. Everything was good as long as I was able to go out and go fishing. Started with pier fishing (Pensacola, FL and Redondo Beach, CA) and eventually moved up to the Southern California sport fishing boats for near shore Pacific Ocean fishing. That was many years ago and now as I am getting back into fishing I am purchasing Penn reels for their metal body toughness and water seal protection. I want reels that will last for many years of use and that I will not have to replace due to weak gears or rust and corrosion. I read everything I could find online and watched UA-cam on what reels and rods used by those who go surf fishing or kayak fishing to get a good idea of what reels can take on saltwater ocean fishing. Perhaps as soon as I can get back into fishing more frequently, I will purchase the smooth Shimano and Daiwa reels. But as I said before, anything that gets you out on the water has to be a good thing. Fish on the line is always a good thing.
That’s a great point. I agree, anything that gets you out on the water is good. Hope you can get out there more often!
@@HeySkipper hi dude new subscriber here, can you give me review about Pioneer Reel Altitude thank you
Yeah. People like to shame for using cheaper gear and kayaks. As long as it gets ya fishing thats all that matters!
Penn for me is just too heavy for their reels, while Shimano is smooth, sturdy, and a great feeling. I have the stella, sahara, stradic, stradic ci4, and twinpower, all are greatand long lasting. Worth the money
May you suggest best one for long surf fishing pls ?
I have the spinfisher vi 4500. has almost 20 pounds of drag and is a lot lighter than the slammer. you are kind off comparing apples an oranges
Thank you for saying what we’ve all been thinking.
Lol
I have both the Gosa 5000 and Slammer 5500. I had the opposite result. Bought them a month apart from each other during Covid when it was slim pickings. My Shimano made grinding noises after 6 months (apparently it was the common line feed bearing) and 3 years later my Slammer is smooth as butter. They are both great and they all will have their own quirks or issues depending on their uses. I just bought a Shimano NASCI 5000 with a 7' TFO rod and I love the small form factor of the NASCI. Perfect and super light weight for my boat fishing needs.
I fully understand, is not that one is better than the other, it is a matter of preference. I am currently a Penn Guy about to test the Shimano products. I will comment latter. Keep up the good work. Where are you at?
i love the penn fierce and the persuit line
I must be Superman! I can fish with my Penn Spinfisher VI 8500 jigging all day. I used to use Shimano spinning reels for bass fishing and I don't think I ever had one last a year. But I fished a lot. Now I fish saltwater in the PNW. I'll take that heavy duty truck any day. A sports car just ain't going to cut it.
sitting here asking myself why im watching this, but continue to watch
My friend, you have amazing video's! I personally don't have any experience with Penn, but i do have 3 decades experience with Shimano. (4500B, 10000xtea, big bait runner...) Three decades without a single fail! After some scum stole my car with like almost all of my gear in it, a mate let me have his Daiwa infinity's for the upcoming season. Since than i'm team Daiwa ))) But honestly, i'd love to try out Penn any day.
Team shimano for life. Me and my bro go at it all day- penn vs shimano. Penn reels are rugged, durable, beefy, built like tanks but are literally “heavy” duty. Shimano reels are mechanical masterpieces, the bmw of reels. Sedona, Stradic, spheros, Calcutta, curado k, slx dc and the tranx make up my entire arsenal for almost all applications.
The drags on the slammers are amazing. So dang smooth. Something is up with your slammer. Mine are quiet and holding up well.
Hi! I’m thinking to buy a new shore jigging reel between Slammer 3 5500, saragosa 8000 or bg mq 8000. What do you suggest me? I need 300m of Pe3 40lbs at least.
Im sorry dude but you need to service your reels after every use specially when you are wading trough waves, open them up hot water and lune them. Not once every year😂
Gys de Wet After every use? I would service a year once a year. If you have to service a reel every time you use it, it’s a piece of shit reel. You buy reels that are quality so you DONT have to service it all the time. It don’t make sense to buy something that doesn’t hold up and require service after every use.
@Johnathan Lo cheaper reels like shimano and kastking (kids)i was servicing every month, my daiwa sol (mag sealed) is still primed as the day i got it (6 months)
Gys de Wet Not me, I surf fish and deep sea fish, after each trip I spray them with a very weak soapy solution and rinse them very good. Oil on certain points, No problems in 8 years. But I only have 14 setups to take care of.
@Johnathan Lo It called basic maintenance ......wipe down with a rag with inox on it......lube the bail roller.(very important) ....and main shaft.....drop of oil to the bearings/handles .....spray over reel with inox and never leave in an air tight box....an airy bag will do.....keep it out of any kind of water and depending on use get serviced once a year.....never hose your reel down as you can drive salt into the small crevices.....INOX is superb and leaving a light coating over the whole reel gives protection and makes it easier to clean the next time.......ALWAYS BACK OFF THE DRAG at the end of a days fishing(just leave it on a tiny bit to stop any crud getting in there)...if you leave your drag done up it will compress your washers and fuck them up !....u lose drag and smooooothnesss.
Go fight a 60lb+ tuna with both reels then tell us how much you like the Shimano
Lmao why he gotta be so buyost about shimano lmao they both good reels but made for different type of fishing and different type of things
Hes not saying Penn is bad or anything hes saying it's what he prefers stop being so salty about a honest reveiw
@The House that Jack Built this is a reel review?
I’ve been fishing south Florida, keys, and Everglades for 22 years now. Inshore and offshore fishing. I fished penn reels for the first 10 years, any and every reel. The last 12 have been shimano and I’m not turning back lmao.
Penn’s are a tank, Shimano’s are a refined tank. I’ll take on anything with a Saragosa on up to Stella any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Penn is bigger, built for a rod sitting against a pier.That Shimano is lighter,meant for 11ft tunami airwave elite...
You can cast all day for stripers with 1.25 or 1.50 oz Popper's...The drag on a shimano saragosa or Shimano stradic is top notch compared to Penn.
Holly, I've been using penn since the start... and i stayed with the brand for one reason, and one reason alone... im used to it, and im comfortable with it.... i just got myself a penn authority 6500.... I love it...
Sealed reels are much heavier. I went to oceans east to buy a new reel and I tried out the 5500 to 4500 there was a very big difference in weight between those two so for the money I wanted the best drag system to the weight ratio. On any 5000 and up Penn it tends to be a much heavier reel. I do not own a Shimano and I was thinking about getting one I already own a battle II 2500 and the Slammer III 4500 and love it. I have fished my Slammer for 8 hours straight and there were times where I was happy I brought my sand spike and chair. My slammer has made short work of big stingrays and sharks as well as seabass it still feels like the day I bought it and it is two years old never been serviced. I took the spool part off and drag washer and cleaned them out with fresh water and any drag problems I was experiencing or grinding went away. I could rinse it thoroughly without worrying about corrosion since it is sealed take care of your tackle or throw your money away also since I was able to go in store to check everything out I was sure it was sturdy and I have never had a weird handle issue sorry to hear that I wonder if that is a 1 in a million occurrence I would also like to know how big this fish was was he trying to pull in Nessie of the Lochness?
😂😂 maybe he was hooked up to a monster. I think you make a good point about the sealed reel that I didn’t consider before. I agree it is well used sitting in a sand spike. Thanks for sharing your experience
#ShimanoGang You said it right and I agree! Penn is a workhorse but not as smooth, light or good looking as the Shimanos. Im biased as well. #TeamShimano
Thats because the Slammer is a sealed reel. Try a Van Staal or a Zeebass and you ll see the same thing.
@@stephenhusak6098 You would like us to compare a $200 Shimano to a Van Staal?
No you are the one who said the slammer is not smooth as shimmano. I merely pointed out all sealed reels are not smooth and take more effort to crank the handle due to the seal between tje handle and the body to keep the water out. Nothing smoother then a 1200 dollar stella but take it surf fishing in the northeast in nov and see how long it lasts .
@@stephenhusak6098 I understand what you are saying. My comment was that in my 'opinion', across the board I feel like Shimanos are smoother than Penns. Not talking about just the Slammer. A $100 Shimano > $100 Penn.
Now that IRT is coming out with a sealed reel im switching over to them anyway.
Smoothness dont mean crap. Smooth doesnt stop a big ass fish that can pull you out of a boat. Thats the job of the drag and what a reel should be based on. With the exception of the big stella s and twin drag shimmano cannot compare to the dura drag system Penn is using now nor tje drag that IRT Van Staal or ZeeBass uses.
Suggest you get to a gym if you have this much problems using a 5500 reel all day.
tackle advisors puts a clip on mic to the reel to show how smooth/rough it is. quick tip :)
yeah, except hear what he has to say about the slammer =) . he does the best videos.
I have been using Shimano for many years, no problem. Old Pen reels like 750SS are good and heavy-duty for the surf. Shimano reels are very smooth drag and light. You can cast every day and do not get tired. I prefer Shimano over Penn now these days. Most of Penn reels are made from China and not good as used be.
I’ll take my old Penn 704Z and 706Z over a penn Slammer any day. Now if you want that Shimano to stay smooth you had better service it more often than every 5 years. I’m a vintage reel guy so we are in different worlds here. I know you have many vintage reels as well. I have a gorgeous Mitchell 396 PUM with a custom arm and line roller as well as a longer high speed Mitchell 498 handle. It is the finest surf reel I have ever used - vintage or modern. I will also say that my Shakespeare 2080 Sea Wonder and 2062 worm gear spinning reel are absolutely outstanding reels. I will say that the reels I have mentioned will all outlast your Shimano Saragossa or the Penn Slammer. They are built with far superior materials and timeless strong designs. You have done some very great videos with vintage reels and sometimes I don’t agree with you. The one with the Penn 704 Greenie for instance. There were some simple things you could have done in fishing with that reel that may have changed your conclusions a bit. Anyway, I can’t criticize a Shimano reels or a Penn Slammer all that much because I don’t own them. My bias Is with the use of vintage spinning reels of which I have serviced, restored, and own over 80. I totally agree with what you said about your choice of reels being both your particular taste and how you use them. I have 11 vintage Penns, 17 vintage Mitchells, and 11 vintage Daiwas that do all I need a reel to do. That’s all I can say. Please know that I am a very happy subscriber to your channel. I love the charming and often humorous parts of your videos, your interaction with your family, and your marriage proposal was absolutely precious! Keep up the great work! By the way I just got a 1950s Mer 52 PUNCH manual pick-up spinning reel - very rare and almost unknown in the USA. It is French and I got lucky. You should see it. It is a very elegant high end reel for the time. I had seen Ru-Mer reels but never one of these. You did a video with a Ru-Mer reel once. I couldn’t believe what another collector told me this Mer 52 was worth but I’ll never sell it.
0:30 you can tell hes a shimano person when he can say shimano quickly but takes a second to say penn.
wtf is he supposed to do
@@normalman23 why so negative
@@jakelencher817 dont project your feelings to me lmao
@@normalman23 uh.. ok?
Team Okuma here. Yes, I'm poor. 😭😭😭
Dude, Okuma make very good reels for the money! Most of my spinning reels are Okuma. I've been fishing them for years, never had a problem that wasn't related to neglect. We once found an Okuma Ceymar at the bottom of the sea. It hadn't been there long, but I stripped and cleaned every part of it to the last screw and have been using it regularly for nearly three years afterwards. Hasn't missed a beat. Okuma is good
You aren't alone. Best bang for the buck. I still use a 15 year old baitfeeder daily in the surf.
Azores is a great Okuma reel for the same kind of fishing. I use 3 okuma reels for surf casting and theyre amazing. Two 8K, and one TRIO REX
@@Kinimatikos I have an Azores 40 and 65. Use both on my kayak, which is a harsh environment and kills substandard reels quickly. I've had the 40 for about a year and the 65 for about 6 months. I know it's not a long time but so far I'm impressed with them. I had a Daiwa exceler die after three trips on the kayak. I use the ceymar 65 as my main surf reel
@@Kinimatikos Oh, my oldest Okuma is a Cimeron 30 that I use for light tackle stuff. In its 12 year life its landed hundreds of fish. Still works great. I got my girlfriend an Okuma reel as her first reel. Am I fanboy? Maybe, but for a reason
I have a horror story about my Shimano I had a 6000 Saragosa blow up dew to hooking a big tarpon!!!!
Spinning reels were originally designed to make casting lighter baits easier. They are absolute garbage for fighting larger fish. You want to target big tarpon get a conventional reel, much better drag systems.
Agustin A. That’s a first I hear a Saragossa failing on tarpon. A 10000 would’ve suited you better
I've caught some huge 130lb+ on my Goas. But if I was just targeting the big ones like in Boca Grande, I would use a 10K Saragosa for sure
My stradic and baitrunner blow up after catching some big fish as well!
i hooked one kingfish on a nasci and it burnt the drag out in about 30 seconds and bent the shaft/pinion... game over. thats when i learn't they are all feltdrag even the stella. ha. and their stupid marketing on the socorro and the other one also the nasci. all identical. but huge price diff. (literally a 20c washer difference and some color) fuck shitmano.
Just changed my rods and reels. The squeeze was put on heavy for Shimano, but I went back to Pen. Had my old pens for 30 yrs, still run great, just better technology now. Had a fantastic run with Pen and you never ditch a good. thing
This video may be 2 years ago, but it's gold. Very good review. I've gone throught quiet a few penn reels myself. They are built like a tank..for a whole summer of fishing season tops. Mine sounds like shit after a weeks of use. I also like to think penn and shimanp don't like each other. I ended up using a shimano oil to butter up my reel and it did not like that at all. Now I can't even crank the handle 1 full revolution without running into resistance. It just wouldn't crank. I like to cast alot too, and light weight is preferred. The penn III 4000 is actually really awesome. It's light and paired with a shimano slx rod. Feels like air. Except penn just goes to crap.
I got the gosa caught a 6 ft shark on it and now the gears are grinding!! It’s a weak reel I’m going back to penn
#PENN
#PENN FOR LIFE
On the contrast my Penn slammer 3 6500 failed in multiple ways after a season of yellowtail kingfish in new Zealand, never had an issue with my shimanos
I was furious when you told me somebody stole you Slammer!
Never touch another man’s Pole 😂
I own many brands of spinning reals and some of my favorites are penns. I've never had a Penn cause me grief but it could happen tomorrow. I would think well of Penn if they made it right. I also would likely not use a spinning reel for shark fishing. I would strongly prefer a large Penn with a star drag but that's just my personal preference.
I have Penn Slammer III 6500 and Penn Slammer III 4500, and I have no issues with them at all. I have no noise on both of my Penn Slammers, and I have used them every weekend. I pulled out many big bull reds and my Penn Slammers did not disappoint me at all. Smooth like silk.
I understand that different people have difference opinions.
Very nice summary! I owned both Penn and Shimano reels here in the south island of New Zealand, my experiences can be summarized as follow,, if you decide to have a smaller reel (3000 size ish) to go for sea fishing, both brands have amazing reels for such purpose, I have landed barracudas over 1 meter with both brands (Shimano: stradic 2500, Penn: clash 2500). If you are more of a surfcasting guy, I would always go for PENN, especially with the new Squall or Fathom star drag, or the Slammer you mentioned in the video, we have quite a bit of sharks and stingrays here in the southern part of New Zealand, Penn can handle them way better than Shimano! In terms of fresh water / river mouth fishing, Shimano has a huge advantage over Penn, as Penn here in New Zealand does not really involved with freshwater fishing at all. For baitcaster fans (the minorities here in New Zealand), I would actually go for Daiwa over both brands.
Just a heads up you should service your rods more than once a year specially when you’re out in the salt water😂
Your Penn sounds like it missed greasing at the factory. I own both as big pit surf casters. If my penn had ended like this in under a year I would of sent it back to penn. my big penn is a winching tool I use for big shark, eel & ray It does the job very well. My shimano is more for the game fish like barracudas
I had the same problem, new penn spinfisher and not enough grease inside.
It's like comparing a ford to a toyota. Tacoma all day everyday
Bucac whose ford or Toyota?
For the watchers out there, Shimano sizing are much smaller than the standard size we are accustomed to. My Shimano Stradic 4000 is about the same size as my Penn Spinfisher 2500. So a good comparison for this Slammer 6500 would be the Saragosa 14000. With that said I do feel the Shimano is smoother but also appears to be much more fragile.
Handle coming off is lack of maintenance on owner unless something broke. I use penn on my heavy duty rock fishing rod, shimano on my lighter gear.