Here is SA we find that big spinning(grinder) reels cast much further than conventional ( multiplier) reels. I recommend you watch the SA youtube channel Asfn fishing to see the different techniques to cast. btw here in SA we don't use magnets to slow the reel.
I always love whine of the spinning reel drag system when a fish runs. Bait cast reels don't offer this feature but mind you, I did grow up using a spinning outfits since childhood.....
I did not see it mentioned, but when trying to cast a heavier bait/sinker on a spinning real as far as you can, your fingers take a beating. Mine used to get cut up by the nylon. Thats the incentive to switch to a multiplying real. Much better option to cast a heavier bait far.
Don’t know if you still have that combo but if you do check out Nick at brake away he has a thumb holder for the reel it’s like a rubber band and let’s you put more pressure on the reel for further casting also if you do a pendulum cast you might get out to the 3rd gut
One of the best parts of a fishing trip is the meal afterwards... Being out all day or night and preparing your harvest at the end of the trip... It can't be beat !!! Just so fresh and delicious...
URGENT: Not sure if I caught what you did, but sounds like you tightened the tensioner knobs/spool end caps in order to add braking to the spool before the cast. If that's the case, you don't want to be doing that with these conventional reels. It puts direct pressure on the left bearing and can damage it over time! Tensioner knobs should be loosened just enough so that there is a little side play in the spool. UPDATE: Should say, the above is the case for conventional reels like Akios with ball bearings and free-floating spools. There are some Ambassadeurs that look similar externally but the spindle is attached to the spool. It's probably fine to use the spool tensioner knob for braking on those reels.
how come you don't tell us viewers where you fish in fl. your video's are really great and great info please tell us where you serf fish from what beaches you go to thanks
Think ill stick to my spinning Penn 10500 Slammer III with 18ft rod But when you start using a break away rig you cast further than prior casting or when you get experienced try using a dingle dangle rig or make your own for big beach fishing when you want to catch big fish
Going to be in Panama City in late July what can a couple city boys from Pittsburgh expect to catch then And what kind of bait do you recommend that we use
Yes; was my first geared reel I had many years back! Penn Jigmaster 500A. I don't have the 501. Have the Penn 49A and narrow spool reel too. I enjoy fishing with them very much indeed! 🎣 🙂 🎣 "Catch a big'un!" 🐟
Hey bro don't use the brakes set it zero, use your thumb for feel, just as soon as its about to hit the water use that thumb, you will get further distance.
@@HeySkipperI agree with you. I've used "the new braid" ever since they became available, but also, I've used Baitcasting Reels (with or without a level wind), since the mid 60s! Before 8 strand Power Pro, I used Braided Dacron, with a mono bumper. My main forte' is Pacific Salmon and Steelhead (genus Oncorhynchus). Thanks again!!
The key is to use at least 3' of line hanging from the rod tip when surf casting. This reduces spool startup speed which lowers the chance for backlashes and leads to increased distance. On baitcasters I use at least 2' of line when distance casting. Tight lines out there!
Lengthen the drop to 8' which slows down the cast even more. Then cast off-ground or pendulum, compressing the rod. An overhead cast doesn't load the rod properly which causes the tip to straighten to soon. This causes a surge at the reel and leads to birdsnests.
The penn spin fisher is my go to for fast lures on the pier. Try the shimano spheros if you do a lot of surf fishing. It has the loudest clicker out of all the spinning reels I've seen
@@adamthomas4462 I use a Penn fierce 3 mostly for Sturgeon fishing. Works pretty good for casting 6+ oz of lead from shore. It's a very heavy reel so I don't think I'd want to cast with it all day but for soaking baits it's awesome
@@adamthomas4462 there really isn't any need to own any of the others. The persuit, fierce and battle are all built off the same platform. All their parts can be swapped between reels and the only major difference is what material the shell is made of.
@@dandenrode yeah good point! The only spinning reels I currently own are the daiwa bg 5000 series a shimano spheros and uhhh some kastking reel I got for cheap on Amazon. Oh yeah, the sharky II baitfeeder. It has actually held up well tbh
I suggest that you do not "bring the momentum forward," but rather pull down hard and fast with your left hand. Your right hand should be your fulcrum point. Use the magnetic spool brake to slow it as it comes down the arc, open it up and use your thumb to slow the spool, your cast will go much further.
@Bernardo right hand is more like a javelin throw with an extended arm behind you until it's just above your shoulder (about where your hand would be if you were serving in tennis) then with it just in front of you, pull down very hard and fast with your left hand. It needs to be a smooth motion or you will get a severe backlash. Be looking and Release at about 11:00. There are lots of vids. Try Tommy Farmer's videos--there are many others, but he is very good.
@Bernardo check out beach bomber fishing on UA-cam. He's by far my favorite. Go back and watch his older stuff too. I've been fishing all my life (37 years) and I still learn new stuff. Not just from beach bomber but from skipper too and several others
@Bernardo Donna's explanation is pretty spot on as well. Think like you're throwing a javelin and not letting go. Once you practice more you'll get a better feel for it and you'll know exactly when to release and your bait will soar out there. I recommend buying some super cheap mono for practicing because you're gonna get backlash and may have to cut your line.. Hell I've been using casting reels for over a decade and I still get em sometimes. Shit happens lol
It’s cool that you still use conventional, however I question how practical bait caster reels are when spinning reels are less expensive and simple, without all the bird nest headaches, and I contend spinning reels are more versatile and will preform better when used with a variety of weights when properly set up with braid. Though conventional have more power, spinning reels can move line in faster than conventional, unless you are willing to spend big bucks. Perhaps the biggest nod to spinning over bait casting is, no matter how much you spend on one, they do not (and cannot) offer water sealed components like the spinning reels. Ultimately, I think it comes down to preference. Both will get the job done. To me, it’s like my motorcycle. I own a retro. New modern bikes generally have better performance, and often at a lower price, however I like the look and feel of my old school bike. It’s what I am comfortable with and enjoy. I could be wrong, but it seems it’s much the same feeling for those who choose baitcasters over spinning reels. Thanks for the videos !
It's all a personal choice. Will never want to use those "conventional" reels again, tried way too many times and tbh, never got used to them. Never felt comfortable when casting or reeling in a fish. But then again, never been big game fishing etc where you have to use them. Liked the video, it actually gives me an open mind to one day buy another one and use it on the boat, that could work in combination with what I already have. idk. Thanks. Cheers.
Brandon, if you wrap your left thumb at the first knuckle with some flexible tape, you won’t need to fingers to guide your line back onto the conventional reel, the tape will protect your thumb from line cut and you can just move your thumb back and forth over the reel
awesome video. so cool to see you guys exploring new ways on fishing haha i've tried overhead surf fishing before and tbh while i did enjoy using it, i didn't find it too practical as you had to pay lot of attention to it. my overhead reel was a penn squall 15. great reel but in the end i found spin with long cast spools to be far easier haha. if i was to use a spin for long distances casting i would recommend the shimano ultegra anyday.
Avets are really great for fishing very durable we use them here in Texas the can cast a mile as well no need to clean them either I’ve seen guys go years with no maintenance and still work like the first day and there very beautiful
might be the two best and best value spinning reals made today. easy to maintain, not sealed but no bearings to get toasted by salt water & sand , of is the one or two bearings, i forget? They are dead reliable...guys have been fishing them for about 40-50yrs ....my new SaltX 6000 is great but all those seals are just fragile which leaves bearings vulnerable once a seal blows out. but it's sure fun to work on...kinda. :p
hey skipper...dont let the ego crawl up on you. 7:45 ... let the lady fish. She is like your caddy more than your partner. don't be afraid ..she wont stel any audience... to contrary..she will bring more if you let her more in your videos as a participant, than a cadddt,, cheers...love your vids
Nice, commenting at 9:45, both reel types have their own advantages, for the conventional try getting a rod where the reel anchors to the lower end of the rod. Then the thumb braking and control you do on the inside/top side of the spool and not on the line. Then make a light fake cast and when you bring it back then you send it. Holding the rod with reel tilted at no more than 90 degrees on it's side at the point of casting bringing it to horizontal after despatching payload. Then if stuck in rocks/kelp always wrap line around rod and don't put tension on spool or drag system and slowly start moving backwards. Don't use spool bearing nuts as a braking system. Always ensure that spool release is on release when casting with a conventional real, because the amount of power you exert when casting is going to dislodge the rod and reel from your grip to cast out of your hands. A costly disaster if you are casting on a hard surface like rocks. When you practice start slow, go for release, line tension control ,accuracy and mastering of the cast. Then comes power and distance. More distance can be achieved by releasing some more line when one brings the rod back from the fake cast with intent, like /as one does with flyfishing adding a meter or two when casting. The latter requires that one has mastered the reel and casting with it. 15:38 Waist rod holders, and casting with the conventional reel is going to test your knots, line and your temperament. I would recommend a +/- 12 kg line, leader of your choice or required, a lighter sinker/weight line, so if it is stuck and you have hooked a fish, let the weight's line be the part that breaks. Then swivels, don't use tri just normal. Hook and main line to the top loop and weight line too bottom. The sliding rig you have shown in the past is also effective on sand /surf. On reefs less is more effective. Can you cast spinning rigs with conventional, yes, but not very light ones.
What size sinker were you using? Did you tie on a shock leader to your main line? My understanding is that the shock leader will prevent the main line from snapping due to the load during the cast. The shock leader should be the length of the rod and should rap around the reel five times. The strength of the leader should be 1/10 the strength of the weight your casting. If your casting 8 oz. You should have an 80lb shock leader. If you have 12lb test line on your reel but your casting 6 ozs (weight plus the bait) you should use a 60 lb test Shock leader.
I was thinking the same thing. When they really start casting it's going to become a safety thing for the people around them if they're not using a shock leader.
Nice vid. I remember as a kid in NJ using a Penn Long Beach. Bird's nests were the rule rather than the exception. Most anglers don't have the patience to use a conventional reel, and use spinning reels exclusively nowadays.
We use conventional reels in Hawaii to cast our 13 foot ulua poles. We usually load it with mono 80lb and up top it off with a shock leader. We wet the line to prevent line burns as we use our thumb as a break to prevent birds nest. Most of the shore casters use Penn 4/0 to 9/0.
It's a beach cart. You can buy them online or at most bait shops near the beach. I swear by them especially if you fish the pier or have to talk far to your spot
Just some info that those that have never used a 'baitcaster' before (that IS what this 'conventional' reel is, for all intents and purposes in this video). The right side adjustment, tensioner, removes 'slack' from the reel axle to stop side play. it can also be tightened (do not over tighten) to prevent backlashing that occurs at the BEGINNING of the cast. Typically, you adjust the tensioner so your lure/bait fall slowly (before casting). The 'braking' (be it magents, friction pins, centrifugal) slows the spool near the END of the cast when the lure/bait slow down as they lose energy during 'flight'. This helps prevent backlashing near the END of the cast if the spool is 'spinning' faster than the line is peeling off it (as the lure/bait slows). The rule of thumb is, right side for the beginning of the cast (tensioner), left side for the end of the cast (braking). And adjust the braking for 'wind'...more into the wind, less with the wind. And remember, the third and most important brake for baitcasters, YOUR THUMB. Both tensioner and brake are SET in a position, ONLY your thumb is 'dynamic' during your cast. You can apply and release thumb pressure during your cast. RE: the 'conventional casts farther'...I don't know anyone that would say a baitcaster casts farther than a spinning rig. Given that spinning rigs don't have 'tensioners' or 'brakes' to slow down the line feeding off the spool (and nearly EVERY baitcaster HAS to have some kind of 'braking' even if its just your thumb) I don't know how a baitcaster could cast farther (unless you forego ANY braking at all...then a birds nest will JERK your lure/bait to a stop anyway and WAY short of any distance). Personally, I fish off shore with my Penn10 (20lb) on an 8.5ft Med. rod and have NO issues with distance. I can cast just as far as my (though not really adequate for the target fish) spinning rigs (max. 15lb. line on 7ft. MH rods). But that's NOT 'surf fishing', it's shore fishing. Salmon runs, flounder (and damn crabs/clams that keep taking my bait). But I have ALWAYS been able to outcast (distance) my baitcaster using my spinning rigs (every thing being equal other than reels).
I easily cast further with my conventional reels. The world record longest casts are consistently done on conventional reels. Keep in mind, skill is required to do so.
Bonjour, je regarde tes vidéo depuis un moment déjà. Je trouve qu'il y a de bon contenu et les vidéo très intéressante, car je pêche beaucoup en surfcasting. Mais c'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de sous titrage en français pour mieux comprendre. Continue tu es super bonne continuation👍
Nice video. I like the enthusiasm, well presented. A lot of people get intimidated learning how to throw a baitcaster. There is a learning curve and it takes a bit of time and practice but it can be VERY rewarding when it all comes together. A couple of tips. When laying down the line, it is important to lay down the line evenly AND to keep the line lay consistent. Try this, when cranking in, count the number of handle turns you take per pass (left to right or vice versa) and try to keep this close to the same every time. On a 656 size reel this is about 6 turns per pass. On a 666 or 757 size try about 7 turns per pass. On the actual cast you are leaving a lot of distance on the table by being right arm dominate. Focus on a complete pull with the left (all the way to the left side of your chest) allowing the right to act as a fulcrum point as you "punch". The pull is where most lose power. Also "LOOK UP" to your target which is 45 deg above the horizon over the desired splashdown spot. Again, well done as this will help others get past the stigma of baitcasting reels!
Do you think they'll ever make conventional reels like a baitcaster so you don't have to manually layer the line as you're reeling in. When that day comes, I think I'll stop using spinning reels altogether.
@@badass.bob1 there are levelwind conventional reels but they reduce your casting distance as the line does not flow as smooth as non-levelwind conventional reels
In the U.K. we call them fixed spool reels not spinning reels, spinning reels are a specific type of fixed spool & the conventional reel we call multipliers, you can but the multipliers with built in level wind.
Back when I was a kid, everyone used a Penn reel (conventional) for surf fishing. I still do and it blows people's minds. I like the spinning reels, too. Especially the super-big ones with the huge bail. The line seems to unload better.
I’m not an expert fisherman, but with 21 years of freshwater fishing and 13 years of saltwater fishing, this is my personal opinion between Bait Casting and Spinning Reels. #1. Bait Casting reel: To deal with a large fish, because the line is tied directly to the center of the reel, in saltwater deep sea fishing, the reel is tied to the rod with screws. That is why you can deal with 100 pounds of Bluefin tuna; however, the backlash problem is the main reason to stay away from this reel if you are not a novice fisherman. In deep sea fishing, trying to fight with a fish 50 pounds or above with the Spinning Reel, is a big risk, you will break the reel. #2. Spinning Reel: This is more suitable for Freshwater fishing, to catch a fish 6 pounds or below. It is easy to use and you don’t have to deal with the problem of ‘Backlash’. Talk about the casting distance, if you think the casting distance is the main key to success in fishing? Please think again, there are many other things to consider above the ‘casting as far as you can’!
That Stella is not a Surf Spinning reel. But the "conventional" reel will always reach farther. Which is not really much important in some cases. As someone commented below the conventional reel must be mounted near the low end of the rod. Try a Saltiga Surf spinning reel and tell us more... Check the South Africa surf fishing videos...
Some folks can’t use conventional and I’ve fished and lived in NC for 67 years. I am 60% blind. If you can’t see well you can’t use a conventional reel. You have to know when that bait rig hits the water so you can use your thumb to stop the spool and avoid the backlash. When I lost my sight I sold my conventional baitcasters after being unable to cast effectively. The line guide is called the level-wind mechanism. After years and years with spinners I have no problem getting my rig where I need it. I wish I could use a conventional reel but you do what you have to. I use vintage Mitchell, Penn, Bretton, and Luxor PUM fishing reels some of which were made in the 1050s.I have 150 vintage surf spinning reels. Bail-less spinning reels can get very close to the distance of conventional reels. Bails just get in the way. Great Pompano!
@@rkw221 that sounds like a great idea. I'll try to make some myself after i get back. I'm more wanting to try the squid and shrimp since thats the only bait i typically use.
On the first cast the high rod, close to vertical, means there is a lot of friction on the tip ferrule. This cuts the distance. I measured a freeze frame at 60° but it looks like 40° would give a longer cast?
I cut my teeth on conventional reels as a kid. My first reel was a Penn Jigmaster 500. It doesn’t have any magnets, but I can still cast it a country mile without birds nests. That being said, when I later started using spinning reels, I had to change the hand crank to the other side on all my reels. Winding with my left hand just doesn’t feel natural to me. That’s what happens when you grow up with conventional reels.
I don't have trouble with Birdsnest. I have a 7ft Black tiger with an Abu Garcia 7000 with. 3oz star sinker. For the life of me, I can't get a cast greater than 30 Meters. (Keeping in mind that I have the boat/casting rod to catch a makeral or Dhufish or something big, while I'm using my 10 ft Alvey for tailor and herring.) I wonder if my sinker is too small, but I believe anything over 4oz eventually ruins your rod.
Your killing me dude!!! So do they cast the same distance? Have you thrown any big plugs or heavy jigs with them? That will tell the tale. Throwing 5oz jigs into the big ditch is a job for conventional reels and not those sissy level wind conventional reels. Tossing big wood at night or in general messing around it’s the spinning reel. You just don’t want to lose focus with conventional and braid. Might as well go home with that nest. I checked out the Akios and it gets good reviews. Patrick Star…ARR CARCARCARCARCAR
Wow just watched this video but your tutorial is shocking. Terms are: fixed spool reel, multiplier reel, line lay when you reel back in laying the line left to right or vice versa. Over run, causing birds nest. When you cast out and don't control the spools over spin. Great fishing video otherwise.
a Stella 1k dollar reel?? That's a high fashion reel. No practical reason in the world to spend that kinda money on a spinning reel unless you just wanna show off on the beach.
I've had a 15' spinning, casting and Alvi sidecast . I like to use plugs or lures. I think they are about the same . I am currently using a casting reel .
I realize I’m resurrecting a necro thread here, but any chance you’re going to attend any casting tournaments in TX or on the east coast? Being a solid caster can really pay dividends when fishing for pompano, reds & a few others.
That white pompeno is better known as white pomfret in Singapore and Malaysia. Super expensive fish in restaurant and Chinese New Year. Easily $50 per kilo. Good to steam or soup. Delicate light white flesh. A little fatty.
need to fill that spool big guy...you can be a lot more aggressive on the cast once you get the hang of a conventional. i never have used a magnetic conventional it will be interesting to see your take. I fished them from surf for 0ver 40yrs and stil get the occasional birds nest. but i think you'l like t for getting out past the 2nd bar at least. you should be able to get at least 140-150yds out there once you get confidence to dial back the mag brake. fyi all conventionals have mechanical breaking to adjust that works the same way. it looks like the mag is easier to learn...???
For big fish I always use reels! If you cn master yourself how to use them you are a winner! No spinning reel can beat a multi reel when it comes to dragg and the amount of force you can give them!
The Akios 656 gets amazing distance and is good for fish up to about 40 lb. Other good ones are the Penn Fathom II and Squall II Casting Specials, and the Avets -- the SX and MXL with magnetic braking (MC)
I wonder how a conventional reel can outdistance a spinning reel with all other parameters equal. A spinning reel has no moving parts relative to the cast operation, the conventional reel has the mass of the reel and the line to accelerate to allow the line to exit. And, according to you, there is also a magnetic drag force to suppress backlash resisting the free exit of the line. Something just doesn't add up. The only variables I can see is 1) the line is different and for distance a braided line of the same break strength will go further than the mono due to size and weight, and 2) the rod is a different length and/or action to develop a greater accelleration of the payload.. The spinning reel must be fully loaded for maximum distance by reducing drag across the reel lip. I'd sure like to know how a conventional reel bearings, which also add a resistance value to the equation, can be less than the load required to pull the line off the spinning reel. I'd appreciate a response, I must be missing something.
Always love your videos bro! Fyi here in NY what you call a bluefish we call a snapper, we dont call them blues until they are atleast 20inch or better..
Conventional reel lol the 666 is ok but there better models . you are using it with a rod that wont give you any distance try a zziplex or century and you can go well over 200 yards with baits my son can hit 250 with small worm baits.
Look at this guy - he a grown man now all grown up . Good to see you bro
Here is SA we find that big spinning(grinder) reels cast much further than conventional ( multiplier) reels. I recommend you watch the SA youtube channel Asfn fishing to see the different techniques to cast. btw here in SA we don't use magnets to slow the reel.
So you are saying spinning reels cast furthest??
Sorry to break it to you, conventional reels cast way further.
I always love whine of the spinning reel drag system when a fish runs. Bait cast reels don't offer this feature but mind you, I did grow up using a spinning outfits since childhood.....
I did not see it mentioned, but when trying to cast a heavier bait/sinker on a spinning real as far as you can, your fingers take a beating. Mine used to get cut up by the nylon. Thats the incentive to switch to a multiplying real. Much better option to cast a heavier bait far.
Hey Skipper, why not try a shimano or dawia surf reel in comparison to your casting reel and see what results get.
Don’t know if you still have that combo but if you do check out Nick at brake away he has a thumb holder for the reel it’s like a rubber band and let’s you put more pressure on the reel for further casting also if you do a pendulum cast you might get out to the 3rd gut
Do more cooking segments, it’s really good.
One of the best parts of a fishing trip is the meal afterwards... Being out all day or night and preparing your harvest at the end of the trip... It can't be beat !!! Just so fresh and delicious...
It's even 10X better if you can prepare you catch for lunch and then head out fishing again after lunch!
URGENT: Not sure if I caught what you did, but sounds like you tightened the tensioner knobs/spool end caps in order to add braking to the spool before the cast. If that's the case, you don't want to be doing that with these conventional reels. It puts direct pressure on the left bearing and can damage it over time! Tensioner knobs should be loosened just enough so that there is a little side play in the spool.
UPDATE: Should say, the above is the case for conventional reels like Akios with ball bearings and free-floating spools. There are some Ambassadeurs that look similar externally but the spindle is attached to the spool. It's probably fine to use the spool tensioner knob for braking on those reels.
He has no idea what he's doing with a conventional reel he shouldn't even have posted this video
If the bearings do get damaged, no big deal. You can get a new set from $15 to $30.
Met you at the pier in St. Pete I subscribed like I said I would but it was really awesome to meet you
What’s up man! Great to meet you too and thanks for the sub 👍🏼 you catch any good ones last night?
@@HeySkipper I hooked into a couple but no luck definitely going back soon
My guy said ceveche !! enjoyed the vod dude cheers from Az lines tight bruh 👌😎
I understand you are comparing a fixed spool reel and a multiplier reel, it would have helped if you had used their proper names.
how come you don't tell us viewers where you fish in fl. your video's are really great and great info please tell us where you serf fish from what beaches you go to thanks
I love the food you prepaire,
Great video. I always use an ABU 9000 2 speed conventional reel in the surf in Australia
My classic Stella! 👌
You must have watched a Tommy Farmer video! Push with outside hand, pull with inner. You will double your distance.
L❤️ve the intro
I have some reels and gears that I think will be interesting if you try. How can I send you photos of this?
Beautifull bro I like fish hanting
Think ill stick to my spinning Penn 10500 Slammer III with 18ft rod But when you start using a break away rig you cast further than prior casting or when you get experienced try using a dingle dangle rig or make your own for big beach fishing when you want to catch big fish
Wow 18 foot rod is huge! Thanks for sharing. I want to try the dingle dangle rig!
Going to be in Panama City in late July what can a couple city boys from Pittsburgh expect to catch then And what kind of bait do you recommend that we use
Have you used a rod with smaller eyes with the conventional reel
Hey hey hey hey !!!!
Hey!
Have you ever used a penn jigmaster reel
Yes; was my first geared reel I had many years back!
Penn Jigmaster 500A.
I don't have the 501.
Have the Penn 49A and narrow spool reel too.
I enjoy fishing with them very much indeed! 🎣 🙂 🎣
"Catch a big'un!" 🐟
Nice I have a couple of Penn reels jig Master 65 long beach 155 L 140 squider
I haven’t used a spinning reel in 12 years . Spinning reels are only good in the wind .
Spinning reels are great for lures and pier fishing. I will use baitcasters sometimes but using a big casting reel for lures is silly lol
I had a 3 feet red drum it broke off and went empty handed
Hey bro don't use the brakes set it zero, use your thumb for feel, just as soon as its about to hit the water use that thumb, you will get further distance.
That’s true but with wind it doesn’t always work out that way.
@@HeySkipper practice thats all it takes, plus I use mono instead of braid.
@@HeySkipperI agree with you. I've used "the new braid" ever since they became available, but also, I've used Baitcasting Reels (with or without a level wind), since the mid 60s! Before 8 strand Power Pro, I used Braided Dacron, with a mono bumper. My main forte' is Pacific Salmon and Steelhead (genus Oncorhynchus). Thanks again!!
Yeah like a baitcaster
The key is to use at least 3' of line hanging from the rod tip when surf casting. This reduces spool startup speed which lowers the chance for backlashes and leads to increased distance. On baitcasters I use at least 2' of line when distance casting. Tight lines out there!
Good advice, the other key,is lots of practice,,,,,,do not be intimidated, but yeah,conventional reels have ruled forever, for good reason.
I think you’ll find The length required is directly governed by the rod action vs weight and speed being cast
Thx for the tips yall
Lengthen the drop to 8' which slows down the cast even more. Then cast off-ground or pendulum, compressing the rod. An overhead cast doesn't load the rod properly which causes the tip to straighten to soon. This causes a surge at the reel and leads to birdsnests.
I love my Penn spinning reels. Super versatile, bombproof, and budget-friendly.
The penn spin fisher is my go to for fast lures on the pier. Try the shimano spheros if you do a lot of surf fishing. It has the loudest clicker out of all the spinning reels I've seen
@@adamthomas4462 I use a Penn fierce 3 mostly for Sturgeon fishing. Works pretty good for casting 6+ oz of lead from shore. It's a very heavy reel so I don't think I'd want to cast with it all day but for soaking baits it's awesome
@@dandenrode nice man! I haven't tried the firece line yet. I think at this point if I buy any more reels I'll be sleeping in the garage 🤣😂
@@adamthomas4462 there really isn't any need to own any of the others. The persuit, fierce and battle are all built off the same platform. All their parts can be swapped between reels and the only major difference is what material the shell is made of.
@@dandenrode yeah good point! The only spinning reels I currently own are the daiwa bg 5000 series a shimano spheros and uhhh some kastking reel I got for cheap on Amazon. Oh yeah, the sharky II baitfeeder. It has actually held up well tbh
But u never use a conventional
I suggest that you do not "bring the momentum forward," but rather pull down hard and fast with your left hand. Your right hand should be your fulcrum point. Use the magnetic spool brake to slow it as it comes down the arc, open it up and use your thumb to slow the spool, your cast will go much further.
@Bernardo right hand is more like a javelin throw with an extended arm behind you until it's just above your shoulder (about where your hand would be if you were serving in tennis) then with it just in front of you, pull down very hard and fast with your left hand. It needs to be a smooth motion or you will get a severe backlash. Be looking and Release at about 11:00. There are lots of vids. Try Tommy Farmer's videos--there are many others, but he is very good.
@Bernardo check out beach bomber fishing on UA-cam. He's by far my favorite. Go back and watch his older stuff too. I've been fishing all my life (37 years) and I still learn new stuff. Not just from beach bomber but from skipper too and several others
@Bernardo Donna's explanation is pretty spot on as well. Think like you're throwing a javelin and not letting go. Once you practice more you'll get a better feel for it and you'll know exactly when to release and your bait will soar out there. I recommend buying some super cheap mono for practicing because you're gonna get backlash and may have to cut your line.. Hell I've been using casting reels for over a decade and I still get em sometimes. Shit happens lol
Right arm is definitely not a fulcrum point... It's the main driver of the cast.
But both arms have their role.
In addition to that, tighten the brakes a bit more, then you can really chuck it as hard as you want.
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It’s cool that you still use conventional, however I question how practical bait caster reels are when spinning reels are less expensive and simple, without all the bird nest headaches, and I contend spinning reels are more versatile and will preform better when used with a variety of weights when properly set up with braid. Though conventional have more power, spinning reels can move line in faster than conventional, unless you are willing to spend big bucks. Perhaps the biggest nod to spinning over bait casting is, no matter how much you spend on one, they do not (and cannot) offer water sealed components like the spinning reels. Ultimately, I think it comes down to preference. Both will get the job done. To me, it’s like my motorcycle. I own a retro. New modern bikes generally have better performance, and often at a lower price, however I like the look and feel of my old school bike. It’s what I am comfortable with and enjoy. I could be wrong, but it seems it’s much the same feeling for those who choose baitcasters over spinning reels. Thanks for the videos !
It's all a personal choice. Will never want to use those "conventional" reels again, tried way too many times and tbh, never got used to them. Never felt comfortable when casting or reeling in a fish.
But then again, never been big game fishing etc where you have to use them.
Liked the video, it actually gives me an open mind to one day buy another one and use it on the boat, that could work in combination with what I already have. idk.
Thanks.
Cheers.
You should try an Alvey surf champion now that they're available over in America now.
Tight lines from down under 👍
We have them in South Africa too; for many years!, and Alvey bait suction/"prawn" pumps! 🙂
"Catch a big one!"
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Brandon, if you wrap your left thumb at the first knuckle with some flexible tape, you won’t need to fingers to guide your line back onto the conventional reel, the tape will protect your thumb from line cut and you can just move your thumb back and forth over the reel
or just stick with mono...on conventional i'm not sold braid makes any difference in casting. hasn't on mine so far.
We kind of figured this out after using it a few more times! Thanks for the tip.
awesome video. so cool to see you guys exploring new ways on fishing haha i've tried overhead surf fishing before and tbh while i did enjoy using it, i didn't find it too practical as you had to pay lot of attention to it. my overhead reel was a penn squall 15. great reel but in the end i found spin with long cast spools to be far easier haha. if i was to use a spin for long distances casting i would recommend the shimano ultegra anyday.
Tight lines, and let’s see some M terps, while you’re down here in the sunshine state !
Wanna see the keys and jumbo shrimp go ?
Avets are really great for fishing very durable we use them here in Texas the can cast a mile as well no need to clean them either I’ve seen guys go years with no maintenance and still work like the first day and there very beautiful
Avets are legit
Love avet reels would like to get one one of these days
I have a abu garcia ambassader 10,000 . Never learned how to control overspin on the spool. Gave up . I use my penn 704 and 706
might be the two best and best value spinning reals made today. easy to maintain, not sealed but no bearings to get toasted by salt water & sand , of is the one or two bearings, i forget? They are dead reliable...guys have been fishing them for about 40-50yrs ....my new SaltX 6000 is great but all those seals are just fragile which leaves bearings vulnerable once a seal blows out. but it's sure fun to work on...kinda. :p
hey skipper...dont let the ego crawl up on you. 7:45 ... let the lady fish. She is like your caddy more than your partner. don't be afraid ..she wont stel any audience... to contrary..she will bring more if you let her more in your videos as a participant, than a cadddt,, cheers...love your vids
Nice, commenting at 9:45, both reel types have their own advantages, for the conventional try getting a rod where the reel anchors to the lower end of the rod. Then the thumb braking and control you do on the inside/top side of the spool and not on the line. Then make a light fake cast and when you bring it back then you send it. Holding the rod with reel tilted at no more than 90 degrees on it's side at the point of casting bringing it to horizontal after despatching payload. Then if stuck in rocks/kelp always wrap line around rod and don't put tension on spool or drag system and slowly start moving backwards. Don't use spool bearing nuts as a braking system. Always ensure that spool release is on release when casting with a conventional real, because the amount of power you exert when casting is going to dislodge the rod and reel from your grip to cast out of your hands. A costly disaster if you are casting on a hard surface like rocks. When you practice start slow, go for release, line tension control ,accuracy and mastering of the cast. Then comes power and distance. More distance can be achieved by releasing some more line when one brings the rod back from the fake cast with intent, like /as one does with flyfishing adding a meter or two when casting. The latter requires that one has mastered the reel and casting with it. 15:38 Waist rod holders, and casting with the conventional reel is going to test your knots, line and your temperament. I would recommend a +/- 12 kg line, leader of your choice or required, a lighter sinker/weight line, so if it is stuck and you have hooked a fish, let the weight's line be the part that breaks. Then swivels, don't use tri just normal. Hook and main line to the top loop and weight line too bottom. The sliding rig you have shown in the past is also effective on sand /surf. On reefs less is more effective. Can you cast spinning rigs with conventional, yes, but not very light ones.
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What size sinker were you using? Did you tie on a shock leader to your main line? My understanding is that the shock leader will prevent the main line from snapping due to the load during the cast. The shock leader should be the length of the rod and should rap around the reel five times. The strength of the leader should be 1/10 the strength of the weight your casting. If your casting 8 oz. You should have an 80lb shock leader. If you have 12lb test line on your reel but your casting 6 ozs (weight plus the bait) you should use a 60 lb test Shock leader.
I was thinking the same thing. When they really start casting it's going to become a safety thing for the people around them if they're not using a shock leader.
Use good quality mono line at least 20 to 25 pound test should have no problem with casting
Line guiding looks like such a pain if you're in the heat of the moment.
It is a pain in the ass I have two jigmasters good reels but I am more comfortable with spinning tackle thanks 🐟
I also have reels with level winds and cast control
You get used to it. All you need is your thumb after a little practice.
Level winds limit your distance. It's something you'll get used to after a while
daiwa saltist 20s and 30s with 12-13 foot rod for all my surf bait rods. 10 foot spinners for lures and spoons in s.texas
What’s the good rod setup for fluke ? In the $200 price range
Nice but I have bin there done that don't want any headache when fishing so I will stay with spinners
Man, that’s a REEL difference
Might of missed it.. did you cook that fish or ate it raw? Thanks skipper👌🏻
Nice vid. I remember as a kid in NJ using a Penn Long Beach. Bird's nests were the rule rather than the exception. Most anglers don't have the patience to use a conventional reel, and use spinning reels exclusively nowadays.
I’m excited to use mine. I got a Penn squall star drag casting special matched it up with a slimecat medium
Why would someone dislike these videos!! 🤷🏻♂️ this guy is a genius!!💯💯💯
Haters need no reason
Because Skipper just exposed their secret
Today i try to use the baitcasting rod and reel. I do not know how to use so i decided to stick in spinning reel😂😂😂
Can you say where you got your Akios reel from? I'd like to pic one up if possible.
Tommy Farmer the world casting champion has a shop in NC. Just Google Carolina Akios or Tommy Farmer Carolina Akios.
We use conventional reels in Hawaii to cast our 13 foot ulua poles. We usually load it with mono 80lb and up top it off with a shock leader. We wet the line to prevent line burns as we use our thumb as a break to prevent birds nest. Most of the shore casters use Penn 4/0 to 9/0.
bingo
Would love to come fishing with you!
wtf is that moonbuggy behind you?
ahh, a wagon with a bunch of coolers and accoutrements
Can we get a video on that topic please
It's a beach cart. You can buy them online or at most bait shops near the beach. I swear by them especially if you fish the pier or have to talk far to your spot
@@badass.bob1 pretty sure he has some videos about beach carts. If not I know beach bomber and 1fish2fish have videos about them
If you use braid on your spinning reel , you can get very similar results without the worry if getting a birds nest👍
Just some info that those that have never used a 'baitcaster' before (that IS what this 'conventional' reel is, for all intents and purposes in this video). The right side adjustment, tensioner, removes 'slack' from the reel axle to stop side play. it can also be tightened (do not over tighten) to prevent backlashing that occurs at the BEGINNING of the cast. Typically, you adjust the tensioner so your lure/bait fall slowly (before casting).
The 'braking' (be it magents, friction pins, centrifugal) slows the spool near the END of the cast when the lure/bait slow down as they lose energy during 'flight'. This helps prevent backlashing near the END of the cast if the spool is 'spinning' faster than the line is peeling off it (as the lure/bait slows).
The rule of thumb is, right side for the beginning of the cast (tensioner), left side for the end of the cast (braking). And adjust the braking for 'wind'...more into the wind, less with the wind.
And remember, the third and most important brake for baitcasters, YOUR THUMB. Both tensioner and brake are SET in a position, ONLY your thumb is 'dynamic' during your cast. You can apply and release thumb pressure during your cast.
RE: the 'conventional casts farther'...I don't know anyone that would say a baitcaster casts farther than a spinning rig. Given that spinning rigs don't have 'tensioners' or 'brakes' to slow down the line feeding off the spool (and nearly EVERY baitcaster HAS to have some kind of 'braking' even if its just your thumb) I don't know how a baitcaster could cast farther (unless you forego ANY braking at all...then a birds nest will JERK your lure/bait to a stop anyway and WAY short of any distance).
Personally, I fish off shore with my Penn10 (20lb) on an 8.5ft Med. rod and have NO issues with distance. I can cast just as far as my (though not really adequate for the target fish) spinning rigs (max. 15lb. line on 7ft. MH rods). But that's NOT 'surf fishing', it's shore fishing. Salmon runs, flounder (and damn crabs/clams that keep taking my bait). But I have ALWAYS been able to outcast (distance) my baitcaster using my spinning rigs (every thing being equal other than reels).
I easily cast further with my conventional reels. The world record longest casts are consistently done on conventional reels. Keep in mind, skill is required to do so.
Bonjour, je regarde tes vidéo depuis un moment déjà. Je trouve qu'il y a de bon contenu et les vidéo très intéressante, car je pêche beaucoup en surfcasting. Mais c'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de sous titrage en français pour mieux comprendre. Continue tu es super bonne continuation👍
You never covered what the video was intended for; spinner versus conventional surf cast
Nice video. I like the enthusiasm, well presented. A lot of people get intimidated learning how to throw a baitcaster. There is a learning curve and it takes a bit of time and practice but it can be VERY rewarding when it all comes together. A couple of tips. When laying down the line, it is important to lay down the line evenly AND to keep the line lay consistent. Try this, when cranking in, count the number of handle turns you take per pass (left to right or vice versa) and try to keep this close to the same every time. On a 656 size reel this is about 6 turns per pass. On a 666 or 757 size try about 7 turns per pass. On the actual cast you are leaving a lot of distance on the table by being right arm dominate. Focus on a complete pull with the left (all the way to the left side of your chest) allowing the right to act as a fulcrum point as you "punch". The pull is where most lose power. Also "LOOK UP" to your target which is 45 deg above the horizon over the desired splashdown spot. Again, well done as this will help others get past the stigma of baitcasting reels!
Thanks for the advice, Tommy.
Do you think they'll ever make conventional reels like a baitcaster so you don't have to manually layer the line as you're reeling in. When that day comes, I think I'll stop using spinning reels altogether.
No one knows better than Tommy!
@@badass.bob1 there are levelwind conventional reels but they reduce your casting distance as the line does not flow as smooth as non-levelwind conventional reels
If levelwind works only with line retrieve that would be a different level in conventional reels praticality , so far they’r not for me.
Im still trying to cast a senator. All my buds back home be casting every senator possible 💀💀
In the U.K. we call them fixed spool reels not spinning reels, spinning reels are a specific type of fixed spool & the conventional reel we call multipliers, you can but the multipliers with built in level wind.
Back when I was a kid, everyone used a Penn reel (conventional) for surf fishing. I still do and it blows people's minds.
I like the spinning reels, too. Especially the super-big ones with the huge bail. The line seems to unload better.
Americans: Why use a conventional fishing reel vs spinning reel?
Europeans: Aren't they the same thing?
Using a rod with a short butt and a conventional reel will increase ease of casting and distance. Thanks for good vids
Just make sure it's a casting rod with a short butt. Guides are different for both types and each type is meant to bend a different way
Garcia pro rocket FTW, such a pleasurable experience and little to no line twist! Always have spinning on had for da old lady and friends though
I’m not an expert fisherman, but with 21 years of freshwater fishing and 13 years of saltwater fishing, this is my personal opinion between Bait Casting and Spinning Reels.
#1. Bait Casting reel: To deal with a large fish, because the line is tied directly to the center of the reel, in saltwater deep sea fishing, the reel is tied to the rod with screws. That is why you can deal with 100 pounds of Bluefin tuna; however, the backlash problem is the main reason to stay away from this reel if you are not a novice fisherman.
In deep sea fishing, trying to fight with a fish 50 pounds or above with the Spinning Reel, is a big risk, you will break the reel.
#2. Spinning Reel: This is more suitable for Freshwater fishing, to catch a fish 6 pounds or below. It is easy to use and you don’t have to deal with the problem of ‘Backlash’.
Talk about the casting distance, if you think the casting distance is the main key to success in fishing? Please think again, there are many other things to consider above the ‘casting as far as you can’!
I’m going to North Carolina next month and I was wondering how u normally figure out where to cast
We filmed many videos in our North Carolina beach fishing series that covers this
@@HeySkipper ok I’ll go see if I can find them
you can be a good teacher, whatever topic you choose, cause your way of explanation is awesome
Awesome catch and cook guys. Always enjoy your videos. Be Safe.
Thank you so much!
That Stella is not a Surf Spinning reel. But the "conventional" reel will always reach farther. Which is not really much important in some cases. As someone commented below the conventional reel must be mounted near the low end of the rod. Try a Saltiga Surf spinning reel and tell us more... Check the South Africa surf fishing videos...
I use a conventional for surf, cast for miles.
What reel you use
Hopefully one that catches fish 🤣😂
@@frostizz2072 Seigler SM
@@adamthomas4462 Yes, it catches fish. haha good one. ;)
That looks very good with all the veg. Even looks like you put some Avocado too~~mmm
Some folks can’t use conventional and I’ve fished and lived in NC for 67 years. I am 60% blind. If you can’t see well you can’t use a conventional reel. You have to know when that bait rig hits the water so you can use your thumb to stop the spool and avoid the backlash. When I lost my sight I sold my conventional baitcasters after being unable to cast effectively. The line guide is called the level-wind mechanism. After years and years with spinners I have no problem getting my rig where I need it. I wish I could use a conventional reel but you do what you have to. I use vintage Mitchell, Penn, Bretton, and Luxor PUM fishing reels some of which were made in the 1050s.I have 150 vintage surf spinning reels. Bail-less spinning reels can get very close to the distance of conventional reels. Bails just get in the way. Great Pompano!
Too broke to buy a bits box but the vacation is still on. Can't wait to go fishing in Florida
@@rkw221 that sounds like a great idea. I'll try to make some myself after i get back. I'm more wanting to try the squid and shrimp since thats the only bait i typically use.
On the first cast the high rod, close to vertical, means there is a lot of friction on the tip ferrule. This cuts the distance. I measured a freeze frame at 60° but it looks like 40° would give a longer cast?
45-deg is optimal plus more line on the spool and backing done on the brake a bit, he's just learning it and will get it right.
This is good, thank yo👍
rkw Thanks. Testing and experimenting means I'm fishing more.
@@HeySkipper My favorite part of your videos sometimes is just seeing you and Erin interacting and how you are so nice with your parents.
I cut my teeth on conventional reels as a kid. My first reel was a Penn Jigmaster 500. It doesn’t have any magnets, but I can still cast it a country mile without birds nests. That being said, when I later started using spinning reels, I had to change the hand crank to the other side on all my reels. Winding with my left hand just doesn’t feel natural to me. That’s what happens when you grow up with conventional reels.
I don't have trouble with Birdsnest. I have a 7ft Black tiger with an Abu Garcia 7000 with. 3oz star sinker. For the life of me, I can't get a cast greater than 30 Meters. (Keeping in mind that I have the boat/casting rod to catch a makeral or Dhufish or something big, while I'm using my 10 ft Alvey for tailor and herring.) I wonder if my sinker is too small, but I believe anything over 4oz eventually ruins your rod.
Great vid dude! Very informative. Retired recently & looking to get into fishing cause I love sea food. God's speed.
Your killing me dude!!! So do they cast the same distance? Have you thrown any big plugs or heavy jigs with them? That will tell the tale. Throwing 5oz jigs into the big ditch is a job for conventional reels and not those sissy level wind conventional reels. Tossing big wood at night or in general messing around it’s the spinning reel. You just don’t want to lose focus with conventional and braid. Might as well go home with that nest. I checked out the Akios and it gets good reviews. Patrick Star…ARR CARCARCARCARCAR
Wow just watched this video but your tutorial is shocking.
Terms are: fixed spool reel, multiplier reel, line lay when you reel back in laying the line left to right or vice versa. Over run, causing birds nest. When you cast out and don't control the spools over spin. Great fishing video otherwise.
For the surf use the alvey side cast reel it is a really big thing in Australia and alot of people use them for tailor/ bluefish
a Stella 1k dollar reel?? That's a high fashion reel. No practical reason in the world to spend that kinda money on a spinning reel unless you just wanna show off on the beach.
I've had a 15' spinning, casting and Alvi sidecast .
I like to use plugs or lures.
I think they are about the same .
I am currently using a casting reel .
I realize I’m resurrecting a necro thread here, but any chance you’re going to attend any casting tournaments in TX or on the east coast?
Being a solid caster can really pay dividends when fishing for pompano, reds & a few others.
That white pompeno is better known as white pomfret in Singapore and Malaysia. Super expensive fish in restaurant and Chinese New Year. Easily $50 per kilo.
Good to steam or soup. Delicate light white flesh. A little fatty.
Nice Casting!!Goooooood fishing video👏👍🏼🎣
need to fill that spool big guy...you can be a lot more aggressive on the cast once you get the hang of a conventional.
i never have used a magnetic conventional it will be interesting to see your take. I fished them from surf for 0ver 40yrs and stil get the occasional birds nest. but i think you'l like t for getting out past the 2nd bar at least. you should be able to get at least 140-150yds out there once you get confidence to dial back the mag brake. fyi all conventionals have mechanical breaking to adjust that works the same way. it looks like the mag is easier to learn...???
can you go fishing with an eel
For big fish I always use reels! If you cn master yourself how to use them you are a winner! No spinning reel can beat a multi reel when it comes to dragg and the amount of force you can give them!
The Akios 656 gets amazing distance and is good for fish up to about 40 lb. Other good ones are the Penn Fathom II and Squall II Casting Specials, and the Avets -- the SX and MXL with magnetic braking (MC)
I wonder how a conventional reel can outdistance a spinning reel with all other parameters equal. A spinning reel has no moving parts relative to the cast operation, the conventional reel has the mass of the reel and the line to accelerate to allow the line to exit. And, according to you, there is also a magnetic drag force to suppress backlash resisting the free exit of the line. Something just doesn't add up. The only variables I can see is 1) the line is different and for distance a braided line of the same break strength will go further than the mono due to size and weight, and 2) the rod is a different length and/or action to develop a greater accelleration of the payload.. The spinning reel must be fully loaded for maximum distance by reducing drag across the reel lip. I'd sure like to know how a conventional reel bearings, which also add a resistance value to the equation, can be less than the load required to pull the line off the spinning reel. I'd appreciate a response, I must be missing something.
Tommy Farmer’s Carolina Cast Pro rods are incredibly good! Also the Penn Fathom 2 sdcs will get the job done.
Always love your videos bro! Fyi here in NY what you call a bluefish we call a snapper, we dont call them blues until they are atleast 20inch or better..
It’s a no for me because it doesn’t have a guide
Great video, I like how you explain it,
What was that particular set up going all the way to the hook?
Thanks
Conventional reel lol the 666 is ok but there better models . you are using it with a rod that wont give you any distance try a zziplex or century and you can go well over 200 yards with baits my son can hit 250 with small worm baits.