Trolling Arena Zoomers With Stax | Against the Odds

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 267

  • @Xan1011
    @Xan1011 Місяць тому +409

    Seth has become Crim, player of Leyline

    • @TheyCallMeDio
      @TheyCallMeDio Місяць тому +16

      Why does this sound like the Oppenheimer speech lol

    • @Xan1011
      @Xan1011 Місяць тому +48

      @@TheyCallMeDio Look upon his stax, ye mighty, and despair.

    • @mikemoyer8162
      @mikemoyer8162 Місяць тому +19

      Seth has always been Crim's big brother. He just hides it well.

    • @TransformersBoss
      @TransformersBoss Місяць тому +9

      Well, Crim recently became Seth with a Flawless Victory in one of his videos

    • @jellywillreturn
      @jellywillreturn Місяць тому +8

      It's his Sethcurity Blanket

  • @TransformersBoss
    @TransformersBoss Місяць тому +127

    1:57 “hopefully our opponent is trying to Scam us.”
    Opponent has Lurrus as companion. Grief and Fury aint comin

  • @roryhatcher1880
    @roryhatcher1880 Місяць тому +142

    "Should have played some basics!" Hahaha dying rn

  • @kmb1800
    @kmb1800 Місяць тому +167

    4:25 you wouldn't lose the phelia thanks to first strike

    • @ToadboyMTG
      @ToadboyMTG Місяць тому +32

      I was just about to comment this. Seth is goofy sometimes

  • @GuyrillaBraun
    @GuyrillaBraun Місяць тому +83

    Put some respect on his name. That is DOCTOR Amish Goat, thank you very much.

    • @goreobsessed2308
      @goreobsessed2308 Місяць тому

      😂

    • @Darkflamecrusader
      @Darkflamecrusader Місяць тому +1

      Based on how he played, Mr. Goat doesn't deserve all that much respect.

    • @GuyrillaBraun
      @GuyrillaBraun Місяць тому +3

      @@Darkflamecrusader He's Amish, so his degree is questionable at best.

    • @imakuni67
      @imakuni67 Місяць тому +6

      They didn't spend 6 years in Amish Goat school to be called mister

  • @jackthebroken2084
    @jackthebroken2084 Місяць тому +61

    Janking out Mythic "#69" with a Leyline of Sanctity was pure bliss.

    • @mh_voltage7974
      @mh_voltage7974 Місяць тому +3

      how is leyline janking them out? that card is far from jank... the deck is jank but he didnt jank them out that game he just played leyline

    • @justharry2190
      @justharry2190 Місяць тому

      it was quite nice B)

    • @bigpoppy3
      @bigpoppy3 29 днів тому

      @@mh_voltage7974 how mr 69 handled it was pretty jank

  • @gaminggeckos4388
    @gaminggeckos4388 Місяць тому +38

    4:28 Ya forgot how double blocking works when one of your creatures has first strike! That Phelia was never in any danger at all!!

  • @elogee_yt
    @elogee_yt Місяць тому +28

    Those games where Winter Moon felt like a Thalia without the 2/1 First Strike were pretty eye opening

  • @randomloginnamebtw7759
    @randomloginnamebtw7759 Місяць тому +96

    Would you ever consider revisiting old decks? The very first deck you made that I absolutely fell in love with was the brain in the jar zombies deck and a lot of that is available on arena.

    • @ToadboyMTG
      @ToadboyMTG Місяць тому +2

      Lol u could maybe get a smaller creator make that video!

    • @OddMidnight
      @OddMidnight Місяць тому +1

      Mono-red prison witn wintermoon maybe?

  • @thechestrockfield
    @thechestrockfield Місяць тому +8

    The Mythic 59 player shame scooping on turn two was AMAZING!

  • @TakaRai7
    @TakaRai7 Місяць тому +62

    Its not cat Jesus, but Aven Mindcensor is in the format

    • @VBane
      @VBane Місяць тому +2

      Was about to post this

    • @wafflehaxxx
      @wafflehaxxx Місяць тому

      3 mana dies to bowmaster is not the best rate.

    • @arghanothername
      @arghanothername Місяць тому +1

      Rather see that in place of winter moon

  • @sams3476
    @sams3476 Місяць тому +33

    Always a good day when we get more Instructor Seth

  • @SoftyMage
    @SoftyMage Місяць тому +36

    Loved the Bear stories!

  • @dracish123456789
    @dracish123456789 Місяць тому +3

    watching seth target the fable which he can block instead of the grief in that board state at 19:20

  • @Guynamedharry
    @Guynamedharry Місяць тому +8

    Getting "Aether Vile" and "Leonen Arbitor" on Arena would be fantastic.

    • @jstuckless
      @jstuckless Місяць тому +2

      lol Vial. That's funny though, some people think it's vile.

  • @as95ms98
    @as95ms98 Місяць тому +27

    As much as I hate The One Ring, I think it's better to replace the Winter Moons with The One Ring for card draw. Most of the games you lost were due to a lack of card advantage after a successful early game.

    • @nietrelevant3338
      @nietrelevant3338 21 день тому +1

      Novice inspector also a good consideration, fills out the curve nicely

  • @josephwodarczyk977
    @josephwodarczyk977 Місяць тому +3

    12:40 Bear is precious, and he needs to cuddle with the goats.

  • @joev1083
    @joev1083 Місяць тому +7

    This seems like a really good Sam / ghost quarter deck. Maybe with baubles too, perhaps a slightly better engine than thrabs

    • @v-niftytrickster4166
      @v-niftytrickster4166 Місяць тому +1

      Wait you could get evoked solitude back too!!

    • @joev1083
      @joev1083 Місяць тому +1

      @@v-niftytrickster4166 yes exactly, it'd give the deck a little more flexibility with the doggo too, I think it'd also probably be worth running a few fetches for him too

  • @as95ms98
    @as95ms98 Місяць тому +29

    After seeing Crim and now this video, it almost seems optimal to always have 4 Leyline of Sanctity in a Timeless deck, even if they're off colour. At least in Bo1.

  • @KDKalvinDrake
    @KDKalvinDrake Місяць тому +1

    My favorite Phelia combo is The Princess Takes Flight, exiling an opponent's card, then when it comes back to your turn, gives Phelia flying and +2/+2 to hopefully swing over their creatures, rinse repeat

  • @Harakeeri
    @Harakeeri Місяць тому +2

    This looks like a fun deck. If you're having mana flood problems, cut 4 lands and throw in 4 Witch Enchanters, the 4cmc 2/2 that moonlights as a land

  • @purplecharmanderz2975
    @purplecharmanderz2975 Місяць тому +2

    overall winter moon while it may have slowed things down, didn't really win any games there. If you're looking for alternatives, given how you wound up losing typically - main suggestions would probably be:
    - archivist of Oghma: draws you cards when ever an opponent cracks a fetch. Not the most consistent, but does still provide some opposition to the fetches. Better than nothing.
    - one ring: best card draw option we have here. Can buy a turn as well.
    - ghostly prison: Won't address the card draw issue, but fits with the stax theme more, especially once you got yourself bunkered down with leyline.

  • @thecrazycapn
    @thecrazycapn Місяць тому +12

    When do we get Against the Odds: Freerunning Assassins?
    The only reason that trash is in Modern is for you, Seth!

  • @JLazyLaz
    @JLazyLaz Місяць тому +6

    @35:21 It does matter which one you exile first. The opponent gains more life when you exile the scourge first. You gave him 3 extra life.

  • @AllTop507
    @AllTop507 Місяць тому +5

    If winter moon said "nonbasics enter tapped" as well it could be good bc then they couldn't have mana from nonbasics or fetches on the turn they played them.
    Essentially, the card does a thing, but has no text that forces that thing. A lot of generically good cards, like guide of souls for example, do a thing and have a payoff for the thing it does that can be reached in a timely manner. Guide of Souls makes energy AND gives you a way to use energy in a timely manner. Winter moon limits your opponents' land untaps, but DOES NOT give you a way to tap or guarantee that your opponents' lands will be tapped in a timely manner, which would need to be the turn they are played in a format like timeless where everything is a fairly low mana cost.

    • @hydra66
      @hydra66 Місяць тому +1

      They're being Conservative whilst they find the sweet spot for land hate. But I'm expecting your version of winter moon in the next couple of years

    • @CJTongue
      @CJTongue Місяць тому +1

      @@hydra66
      Thalia, Heretic Cathar would be good though

  • @SpringDryad
    @SpringDryad Місяць тому +3

    Loved the goats and dog story lol pets are amazing ❤

  • @JFroPrime
    @JFroPrime Місяць тому

    Crim would be so proud to see you play this. He loves having all of the fun in a game

  • @xorik1592
    @xorik1592 Місяць тому +17

    4:25 First strike damage will still happen first…

    • @kyonizuka
      @kyonizuka Місяць тому +5

      yeah pretty sure he was thinking of the amped raptor, like in his head he knew his opponent had first strike as well and then just didnt piece together that he had a clean block there.

  • @mikemoyer8162
    @mikemoyer8162 Місяць тому +2

    I think the only reason winter moon sucked so bad was the nonbo with the white orchid phantom. It still might not be good. But that definitely made it look worse.

  • @Laevus2321
    @Laevus2321 Місяць тому

    Always happy to hear more stories about Bear :)
    The deck was also fun to watch - though almost definitely not as fun to play against.

  • @ShinjiGetsGrounded
    @ShinjiGetsGrounded Місяць тому +2

    "its got the best art out of any card in our hand" 😆😂🤣

  • @NtasticMan
    @NtasticMan Місяць тому +8

    This budget deck sounds interesting I’d love to see a video on it

    • @koltwynia8451
      @koltwynia8451 Місяць тому +1

      He can’t because he kept losing

  • @79awinkler
    @79awinkler Місяць тому +13

    Can we add smokestacks to arena?

  • @xerogaming3593
    @xerogaming3593 Місяць тому +2

    I would say replace the Wintermoon with Novice Inspector that way you have 4 clue makers after watching all those games.

    • @L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N
      @L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N Місяць тому +1

      I could see playing Skyclave Apparition in that slot. Would be nice to have some removal for noncreatures.

  • @Blee48
    @Blee48 День тому

    #59 knew his throw dage deck was stumped with Leyline haha

  • @combatwombat8742
    @combatwombat8742 Місяць тому +1

    I really want to see you play with the lizzard wizzard so you can make king gizzard jokes. It also seems like a very cool card and idea for a deck. Your amazing Seth :)

  • @brennanclement8582
    @brennanclement8582 Місяць тому

    Tried this with a red splash for Blood Moon instead of Winter Moon, and threw in a One Ring. 4-1 record so far, awesome deck!

  • @Wizardofexisting
    @Wizardofexisting 22 дні тому

    @14:26 that scoop made me laugh so hard.

  • @ruesifus
    @ruesifus Місяць тому +5

    It was more like zoomers teaching stax a lesson.

  • @pedrosaenz5520
    @pedrosaenz5520 Місяць тому

    I love that Seth goes from lets have fun, to oh evil I will show you evil

  • @derrickthewhite1
    @derrickthewhite1 Місяць тому

    White orchid Phantom wins game 1 by being a first strike 2/2. Game 2: "Now is White Orchid Phantom's time to shine!"

  • @Kurayamiblack
    @Kurayamiblack Місяць тому

    *sees the word "stax" and checks the video length*
    Me: "Yup..."

  • @modsroma3173
    @modsroma3173 Місяць тому

    Seth your videos are always such a treat! ❤

  • @zacharywilliams3597
    @zacharywilliams3597 Місяць тому

    That turn 2 Ulamog game was wild 😭

  • @OddMidnight
    @OddMidnight Місяць тому

    Wintermoon and bloodmoon work good together. Bloodmoon doesn't actually turn nonbasics into basic mountains, just mountains. It forces them to untap one mountain a turn

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st Місяць тому +2

      Typically if you have a blood moon out having a winter moon as well is just overkill. The opponent likely isn’t playing the game at that point

    • @OddMidnight
      @OddMidnight Місяць тому +1

      ​@yoyoguy1st Yeah, but until magus of the moon is put on Arena, using bloodmoon as your main prison piece is unrealistic. Wintermoon slows the game down long enough to pull out either your main threats or Karn. It punishes control for countering your spells or casting on your end step, and it makes bloodmoon a lot easier to get out. Also, timeless has a lot more players that play basics than in the past. If they have some way of getting the one or two mana pips they need, winter moon will tax their generic mana like a God Pharoah's Statue. It's not a staple for monored prison, but it seems to work better in timeless with it than without it.

  • @Weenhander
    @Weenhander Місяць тому +1

    Love the vid! Still waiting on rough drafts to come back though!!

  • @zachgray4767
    @zachgray4767 Місяць тому +1

    Got some room for a couple utility lands. Could go all snow for 2 or 3 copies of Faceless Haven. Roadside Reliquary or Field of Ruin seem pretty decent as well. Yes, I know you run Winter Moon, but a couple copies of nonbasics wouldn't get in the way of that.

  • @cd_sern2690
    @cd_sern2690 Місяць тому

    Okay but you got me excited for that Young Pyromancer deck

  • @joeaquilino19
    @joeaquilino19 6 днів тому

    That new elk might be ok in this deck 👀 👌

  • @bmcclure3atgatech
    @bmcclure3atgatech Місяць тому

    The real reason to watch these videos is the Bear v goats story:)

  • @normative
    @normative Місяць тому

    Sort of seems like if it’s going to work as an anti-scam deck you need to mulligan to the Leyline. Which led to an immediate scoop the one time you had one out & hit scam.

  • @benpouy3345
    @benpouy3345 Місяць тому

    I’ve been playing white orchid phantom in Timeless and it’s rapidly become my favourite MH3 card

  • @AndresSanchez-jl8zv
    @AndresSanchez-jl8zv Місяць тому

    09:50
    The peruvian laugh 😂😂

  • @Moop321
    @Moop321 Місяць тому

    My favourite deck is mono white mindcensor land destruction. Anything that stops searches, in this case aven mindcensor, field of ruin effects, white orchid phantom, its awesome. It definitely sucks because its so reliant on mindcensor, and does nothing against a lot of monocolour decks, but its beautiful when it works

  • @miguelfreitas5343
    @miguelfreitas5343 Місяць тому

    I actually find this whole concept very interesting, because nowadays 90% of my queue is Boros Energy Aggro... I legit can't remember the last time i faced any of the decks this deck is built to face

    • @Gorbgorbenson
      @Gorbgorbenson Місяць тому

      In timeless or historic. Energy is far less prevalent in Timeless, in my experience.

  • @neverstoplaughingcomedy386
    @neverstoplaughingcomedy386 Місяць тому +1

    I can't believe you weren't playing the strongest stax card, Roiling Vortex.

  • @vincenzosardone5806
    @vincenzosardone5806 Місяць тому +1

    This video gave me so much satisfaction. 🤣 The zoomer playing Grief, only to notice later that you have leyline, made me laugh so much! 🤣As well as the one who played Not dead after all. 🤣Arena players who doesn't know the rules are so funny sometimes. 🤣 Love you Seth!! 🤣🤣

  • @SaltyRad
    @SaltyRad Місяць тому

    that 2nd player poor guy lmao. i know that felt bad

  • @GarrettTrimble
    @GarrettTrimble Місяць тому

    This deck felt like it could really have benefitted from either some big card draw engine or some inevitable creature/planeswalker. Got in so many positions where the board was clear but felt like opponents had a chance anyway by slowly playing out their janky creatures

  • @CJTongue
    @CJTongue Місяць тому

    Thalia, Heretic Cathar seems much better than wintermoon, tap their fetches and then their fetched land, encouraging them to grab the basics or be delayed two turns, at which point you can blow up the other non basics and start stone raining them. Also ditching the moon lets you run regular non basic land destruction lands too (fields &co) or creature lands

  • @lukasloetscher1037
    @lukasloetscher1037 Місяць тому

    11:22 you should cast ephemerate in your opponents upkeep. So he has one less mana to work with that turn.

  • @clintcook8691
    @clintcook8691 Місяць тому +1

    Did Seth miss play forgetting the one creature had first strike in the first game? So even if oppenent would’ve chose to block the dog first the first strike damage would’ve went first anyways?

  • @TheLunaLockhart
    @TheLunaLockhart Місяць тому

    this is the most games I've seen in one video lmao

  • @noahhager1187
    @noahhager1187 Місяць тому

    35:15 I suspect this was a white orchid phantom they probably had a bunch of spells they couldn't play

  • @nietrelevant3338
    @nietrelevant3338 21 день тому

    Feels like ghost quarter would be a good addition. And maybe replace winter moon, with novice inspector.

  • @connormacleod908
    @connormacleod908 Місяць тому

    I’ve just been running slickshot with Harbinger of the Tides and Winter moon to Jank ‘em out

  • @nosyamthegreat8768
    @nosyamthegreat8768 Місяць тому +1

    Also remember folks 4:25 he could double block without looseing the dog becuase of first strike👍

  • @ComradeVenus
    @ComradeVenus Місяць тому +1

    maybe this list would benefit from a one ring? or some colorless card draw like mazemind tome? it really needs a way to restock on cards

  • @anthonymentalewicz5143
    @anthonymentalewicz5143 Місяць тому

    We all thought crim was crazy maindecking 4 leyline and aggressively mulliganing 3 months ago.

  • @goreobsessed2308
    @goreobsessed2308 Місяць тому +1

    Woo can we really do stax in arena time to have old school fun. What was your winrate?

  • @cerilious
    @cerilious Місяць тому

    This video is cathartic.

  • @Abolish_Religion
    @Abolish_Religion Місяць тому

    This might be the deck that gets me into timeless

  • @williambowen8054
    @williambowen8054 Місяць тому

    This Bear story is goated.

  • @jek15origami
    @jek15origami Місяць тому

    Ahh trolling arena zoomers... never gets old

  • @chrisbonjour111
    @chrisbonjour111 Місяць тому

    White board wipe over Wintermoon probably is something to consider

  • @LuizOMenudo
    @LuizOMenudo Місяць тому

    Well, the shuffler conspiracy is true for Brawl, at least

  • @DHLightcaster
    @DHLightcaster Місяць тому

    This is the sweetest revenge

  • @bensawmiller3005
    @bensawmiller3005 Місяць тому +1

    Why didnt he blink the opponents grief with ephemerate or phelia around 19:20? Wouldnt that give him exyra draws?

    • @surfinggarchomp2820
      @surfinggarchomp2820 Місяць тому +1

      phelia only blinks until end of turn, so grief could still attack, and ephemerate is only you control

  • @D_A_D_
    @D_A_D_ 9 днів тому

    I wonder if Karn, Scion of Urza could work in this deck as it's card advantage engine since you mentioned needing one

  • @Omnicrom
    @Omnicrom Місяць тому

    Seth turning into Farfa after having One Bad Day...

  • @joeysmith5767
    @joeysmith5767 Місяць тому

    I think the one ring would be a much better include than winter moon. Solves the card advantage problem

  • @syrelian
    @syrelian Місяць тому +1

    Isn't Trinisphere on Arena now? Slamming one of those down would stop all the Evoke Elementals dead

  • @htspencer9084
    @htspencer9084 Місяць тому

    Beating T2 ulamog gave me such immense seratonin 😂

  • @TheLoneAlpaca
    @TheLoneAlpaca Місяць тому

    my favorite mtg series

  • @Joyverse
    @Joyverse Місяць тому

    Was looking for a tax deck. Ayt OK lets goooo!

  • @airtempest8945
    @airtempest8945 Місяць тому

    41:10 I think you probably could've won this if you flashed in Solitude in response to or before Phelia's trigger, since then the same result happens on that turn (Solitude is blinked and stays and Ravagan dies), but it saves the Ephemerate for later and given that the match was won by exactly 1 creature, it probably could've worked.

  • @Martini_1911
    @Martini_1911 Місяць тому

    Path to Exile was added to Arena, right? Maybe having some number of those in place of the Winter Moons would give the deck more resilience against big creatures and put more pressure on the oponent to search out basics

  • @starmanda88
    @starmanda88 Місяць тому

    Oh Bear definitely wants to eat those goats 😂😂😂

  • @Gorbgorbenson
    @Gorbgorbenson Місяць тому

    15:20 is exactly why I think it's funny that everyone hates scam. Like, yeah, it sucks to play against, but you're in a format that's faster than any else, so if you remove Grief, generally the problem is solved and they lose is my experience.

  • @Kryptnyt
    @Kryptnyt Місяць тому

    In theory White Orchid Phantom and Winter Moon don't make a lot of sense together. In practice people don't play basic lands

  • @jonathanstudentkit
    @jonathanstudentkit Місяць тому

    Thanks for testing winter moon, now i know it's absolutely useless

  • @garrethebert8654
    @garrethebert8654 Місяць тому +1

    I am sad I didn't get to hear the Seth intro... :(

  • @doppelganger5328
    @doppelganger5328 Місяць тому

    perhaps holding back one leyline for pitching purposes is a proper play. but also doubling up is good

  • @DarkWr4ith
    @DarkWr4ith Місяць тому

    I think if the moons were a sweeper like, Wrath of the Skies, the deck would be a lot stronger.

  • @bradross7488
    @bradross7488 Місяць тому

    What do you think about a 2-3 witch enchanters as flood insurance Seth? I know it’s a nonbo with winter moon, but you DO get to untap at least one of them.

  • @nosyamthegreat8768
    @nosyamthegreat8768 Місяць тому

    Okay but i so wanna see that young pyro deck. Maybe in best of three? AT LEAST an article so can copy it

  • @TeabagDeluxe
    @TeabagDeluxe Місяць тому

    Lmao that autopilot player at 14:10
    Cards are hard to read

  • @ponymaster2939
    @ponymaster2939 Місяць тому

    My god it's insane how little those high ranked players don't read the cards

  • @jonathanstudentkit
    @jonathanstudentkit Місяць тому

    keep one leyline for the solitude Seth

  • @davidmorales-dm7xm
    @davidmorales-dm7xm Місяць тому

    It's hard to see Seth not mulligan until he gets the leyline in hand