The Pro Tour Winning Deck that Bored Opponents to Death
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Normally you win a game of Magic: the Gathering by getting your opponent's life total to zero, but this is the story of the Pro Tour winning deck that looked to bore its opponents into death...
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Eggs stayed legal for 10 months until the bans in May 2013. Since then, over 11 years later, legend has it that some players still haven't finished their turn.
I play eggs in edh to make my opponents remember the old ways
cat oven in 2020 online was awful, i was numbered mythic on arena. Stopped playing. I had a good winrate against it, but each game of a bo3 averaged to 40 minutes.
@@noobtuber10 I need that decklist that sounds way to fun lol. Take me back to my first EDH game that took 4 hours because me and the other guy were running artifact reanimators lol. Other 2 players conceded seeing it was going nowhere
if they never finish their turn, then it's never banned. 5Head.
The worst was the 5-player game where all but one player showed up with a copy of Cifka's deck. During the game, the fifth player managed to watch the LoTR extended editions, all six Star Wars movies, and read The Wheel of Time.
Yuuya gaining 2 with deathrite shaman was just the funniest thing. "You're trapped in here with me."
well did he mark his cards that time or not
That cheater
Writing F6 on a paper then going to the bathroom is a baller move.
I love the fact that it's completely legit, too. He clearly and unambiguously communicated all the decisions that would be necessary while he was briefly away.
(I suppose it could've gone wrong if his opponent played something that required him to make a choice, but that seems even more unlikely than the turn finishing before he got back.)
I bought a token card with an F6 key specifically for this lol
@@jyrinx Yup, about all that would be necessary is somebody to make sure that the guy is shuffling his deck properly when necessary.
@@myanrueller91 I think it's more of a message to his opponent for playing a bullshit deck
@@mrtierney2 I mean, you can't realy call it a bullshit deck when it's been around for so long and not having counterplay for it.
Eggs was also an example of "the best way to win is also the slowest and most convoluted." Eggs could win faster by maindecking grapeshot, but grapeshot was a dead draw unless you had lethal storm, while spellbomb was a redraw.
Yeah, it reminds me of Nadu with the pro tour decks doing the convoluted and super slow Endurance loop rather than just winning with Thassa's Oracle since Oracle was a dead draw earlier in the game.
@@MTGGoldfish funny enough, I was thinking more about UW control that uses Teferi, Hero of Dominaria's self -3 as a wincon
@@Atmapalazzo I once had an opponent that had this wincon, but I had a nexus of fate in my deck so I couldn't be decked, so they conceded (it was on MTGA)
Nexus of Fate decks whose only wincon was waiting for the opponent to draw their library be like
@@MTGGoldfish Nadu is blazing fast compared to eggs or lantern control
Man, I certainly don’t see any similarities to a certain UG bird running around.
The bird had been shot down in modern. No more nadu combo.
@@paratoon06 where do you see this
good thing the bird is banned alongside grief
@@ChippGD366 it was just posted! nadu and grief
@@StaleBranflakes what website thank you for ur help
These MTG video essays by Seth are super relaxing :)
Thanks!
One of my favorite parts of the channels besides Phil's vids.
Also worth mentioning is the deck made a comeback with krark klan ironworks and wotc had to ban that too
That's for the sequel if people like this video!
Still feel like Scrap Trawler should have gotten the ban over iron works.
KCI is the enabler @@matt_the_ogre6834
@@matt_the_ogre6834100% should have. But they couldn't because Trawler was part of a standard legal set
@BeadyAbiter scrap trawler was the card that took it over the edge. Before the trawler, KCI was a fringe deck that barely saw play
Eggs is probably as close as you can get to solitaire in magic
Yeah, it really is. I'm not sure any other deck really comes close.
@@MTGGoldfish There's this video by Kyle Hill demonstrating a Magic deck that operates like a Turing Machine, which I find incredible as well. Hehehe...
@@MTGGoldfish BBD played a 48 minute Nadu turn yesterday. Compared to that this eggs match was fast.
Song of Creation Storm also comes pretty close to solitaire.
@@MTGGoldfish lantern control?
I don't love how this is ancient history that I watched live
Jesus watched it live too
nothing ancient about the year 2012....?
This was only what, 10-12 years ago though.
I graduated HS the year this was out. I guess I’m a dinosaur?
@@TheSmartCinema that was 100 years ago
In the match about Pedro, Pedro actually would have conceded earlier, but he was asked by production to let the combo go on for a bit so that the viewers could see, and get a feel for, what Cifka's deck did. It was the quarter finals, and they were on one of the three side tables. So the match had started without the viewers, but the feature match had naturally completed first, thus giving production time to pan over.
In the match with Yuuya, as strange as it looked for Yuuya to be handling Cifka's mana, it helped keep him engaged as Cifka went about his combo, and while that might not always mean much, it makes it less likely for you to make mistakes if you get another turn, which effectively came up in game 1. Cifka tried to go off on turn 3, but fizzled, tried to go off on turn 4, but fizzled, and Yuuya had enough pressure to end the game. He didn't concede early like many players in the swiss might have. It didn't carry him through game 5, but he got closer than most to winning, and did the best of Cifka's top 8 opponents, being the only one to take him to game 5.
great timing here as I see Nadu just got banned from Modern due to 'monopolizing people's time' among other reasons
This was so painful at an FNM when the employees just wanted to go home, but there's this one guy who keeps playing that one turn and their opponent won't scoop.
Just kick the weirdo out and say no matter how hard you try winning games at fnm won't make you a non-loser
Part of me wants to say that we could probably see Second Sunrise unbanned because we have more efficient win conditions now with things like thoracle.
On the other hand, I've seen how pro magic players like to build their win cons, and it's never something that wins in a reasonable amount of time. Pro Tour Nadu people literally just needed to play a single Sunscorched Desert to present lethal and they opted to do this psychotic otawara and boseiju loop instead which required infinitely more effort.
Clearly they can't be trusted with this kind of power.
Unfortunately the most time efficient path to victory is not always the most consistent
Thoracle wouldn't speed the deck up, as people concede with pyrite spellbomb. It's all the stuff that preceded the empty library that's the problem. Thoracle also wouldn't be as efficient as spellbomb (as spellbomb is a cantrip anyways).
It's the same as unbanning blazing shoal.
There just is no conceivable reason to unban it because the only deck it realistically enables is a degenerate deck nobody wants to see played in the first place.
unfortunately, the more psychotic, lengthier loops are slightly more consistent. drawing grapeshot in eggs or drawing thoracle in nadu means you have a card in hand that doesn't do anything until your loop starts, in which, the loop will usually find your wincon anyway, so there was no benefit to already having it.
This was a quality video @MTGGoldfish. Produce more content like this analyzing unique modern decks.
Thanks! As long as people like them and watch them I'll keep making more. These are some of my favorite videos to make.
Kibler is a legend for no other reason than he actually seems to enjoy playing magic over and above finding the jankiest and most dull way to win possible
You had to throw in that old LSV pic to remind us what an absolute glow up the man had. Winning tournaments and getting healthier, all while working on a very solid beard.
Yeah, I was trying to find a 2010 era pic since that was the year he went 16-0 in the PT, I don't think that was exactly 2010, but close.
He had a glow up sure, just dont ask about how he treated his ex-wife and kid
...and ripping off supporters, pushing crypto scams at least 3 times and cheating on his wife
@@ResidentEyebrowAppreciator did he bore them until they gave up?
@Vikliks_ no. He got his wife pregnant, cheated on her while she was still pregnant, and then divorced her shortly after the kids' birth.
Once I establish that my opponent winning is a foregone conclusion I will just scoop. I understand this deck would still be slow but in the examples where the opponent knew about the spellbomb making the infinite damage and was shown in hand just scoop and let the game end.
Thing is it took like an hour of sitting through that to draw the spellbomb.
Yeah. I’ve got a friend who prefers to play matches out even if the outcome is clear. He gets frustrated when I scoop to start a new game because he couldn’t finish the game. But in the 20 minutes of letting him play it out. We could be on to the next game and make much more efficient use of our time for matches
It's a pro-tour. Listening to Bosn'n'roll's tournament reports has shown that head-game and tiredness is super important. In the recap of his recent-ish tourney where he won his Black Lotus he openly admitted he won one of his games because his opponent was tired and entirely forgot that he had mana in his mana pool to cast his game-winning counter. They had spent some time discussing stuff before end of the game, Bosh'n'roll then proceeded to try and end the game and the opponent looked at his tapped lands and scooped since he had forgotten about the mana in his pool.
Eggs is hard deck to pilot optimally, so letting your opponent tire themselves out so they make more mistakes is perfectly valid approach in high-end tournament play.
@@johnnoreau3570 I get this a lot from people, I used to scoop and they would get upset like "But my deck hasn't actually beaten you, you just conceded" and I had to explain "If a castle is flanked by an an unbeatable army and is starving and surrenders, the unbeatable army still won, even if they didn't beat the castle down to do it"
The thing is, until Eggs is down to a near zero card deck, it can still fizzle, even with the spellbomb.
Nadu hatched from an egg. Coincidence? I think not.
This video recapping the history of Eggs is almost certainly shorter than every single pro level Eggs game was
I'm glad when Seth said "literally" that it wasn't literal
His opponents literally died? What a deck!
No, that's what Baron Von Count is for (and Mouth to Mouth if your opponent is a real spike)
Really enjoy these type of side videos to deck tech/play. There are so many good stories to tell, whether it be about the world around the game, or the world within the game.
“Literally bore opponents to death”
Seth that’s not what literally means
Blame Merriam-Webster for changing the definition of what the word means :/
@@Jlizard27" Literally" has been used as an intensifier for centuries.
@@jameshayes-barber9340I didn’t mean it literally.
Language evolves over time. If enough people want to use a word a certain way, especially political or religious groups, then that's the way it'll be unless you somehow turn the tide back.
People complained about "the wrong use of literally" quite a while ago, years ago. I'm afraid the opposition is too late at this point.
@@johndoe9343it’s been about 250 years at this point. 1769 was the first documented use.
You say most boring, but this was one of the more hype pro tours, and the only one i go back and watch on occasion. It also showed a more human/casual side of some of the pros actually talking and interacting with cifka instead of the usual absolute seriousness that most of them had until the match was over
I appreciate your explanation of MTG in a way a layman can understand. I have never played MTG, but I have played other card games like Hearthstone, Pokemon or board games. I have been able to follow in most of your videos. Keep up the great work!
Still my favorite display of sportsmanship in this game is yuya helping cifka with storm count, mana, and shaking his hand just saying "master" at the end of finals.
Seeing this pro tour live sparked my rral passion for MtG. Seeing what crazy shit was possible with all those cards made me fall in love with the game even more 😅. I sat through every single match of cifka excitedly 😂😂
When Seth started the video with "This is the story" i somehow expected it to be followed up by "all about how"... Somehow gave me the vibes :D
Stamn Cifka not only played poker, MTG, Hearthstone and Chess, he was also, according to Zvi the only human who ever understood Artifact.
Ha, I forgot about Artifact. That game had a lot of hype when it was first announced but good god did it flop hard.
I wish Arena had an "F6". So many times I see people doing extensive stuff and I hate having to click "no response" because I have a 1 mana open and can cast a 1 mana spell that would be pointless to do or something.
It does! Unlike f6 it'll still stop during combat iirc but pressing enter will automatically pass priority for the turn, and iirc shift+enter just skips everything altogether
If your spell is useless, and will be useless for the rest of the turn, just tap your land in response to something, and problem solved.
@@LucianDevinethe only issue with that is unless you do it on your turn or something, if it’s still their phase without change it’ll just still hold priority since the mana is floating
@@Niuttucis there a way to do it on mobile?
@@latimelord3586 Your turn or in response to a phase change, like their upkeep or end of their draw step, yeah. If you wait to do it until they are mid combo, you are too late.
Came for the Kibler F6 and was not disappointed.
I've heard of the infamous eggs deck, but this is the first time I saw it in action.
I've been working on this exact build for years. Little did I know it's already been done. And here I thought I was creative.
That's the beauty and despair of Magic lol
I saw the vid title before the thumbnail loaded and immediately thought "Chrono-Stasis?".
Can we take a moment to appreciate that spread of classic Jund on the table...classic
I think it is really underappreciated how difficult it is to play the deck optimally. Moreover, you are almost certain to go to time every single round, so you have no rest in between the rounds. Truly impressive to pull it off although it was the correct choice to ban it.
Someone better be literally bored to death in this video, Seth’s mentioned twice..
As someone that played Eggs throughout the entire modern season in that period, i loved that deck.
The real problem was that inexperienced players would take ages to complete their turns because they weren't confident enough in goldfishing the deck.
Any decent player didn't take 15 minutes to combokill, yet i have to agree that was a good decision to ban Second Sunrise and pretty much kill the deck (someone tried to run it with only Faith's Reward + recycle effects but was never too consistent and it effectively got 1 turn slower, which allowed any other deck in the format, mainly tron/burn/BGx midrange to capitalize on that.
this was greatly enjoyable. more of this please
Glad you liked it!
"good, that's how long it'll take me to set up the cheese tasting phase"
The Elsewhere Flask at 4:27.....that is some art.
I love at 14:30 Cifka gaining mana he gains 3 white and you can see his hand movements like “wait, I need more dice.”
He is the reason of why I run eggs in vintage/legacy. I fell in love with the deck though I rarely play it. The most time I play it is to show other newer players a crazy deck but not in a mean way, just as a spectacle. Also play it by myself sometimes as a mtg Solitaire deck.
The Lee Shi Tian "Do you have the pyrite spellbomb?" at 10:15 is such a good Genius or Grifter entry.
Love these mtg history recaps
It's the Mr. Bones Wild Ride of MTG decks
Love these mtg competitive history videos. Thanks Seth.
3:05 is the Tommy Wiseau in the background
I think you're right
Love these Magic History videos, great to see the origin of the Kibler F6 comments. Keep them coming!
I started playing during AVR and PT RTR was my first ever pro tour I watched live. I will never forget Stan Cifka playing and winning with eggs and just being amazed that this was the same game that me and my friends played turning creatures sideways on a folding table in the garage. This deck really shaped what I think is cool and fun in Magic, for better or for worse haha.
I honestly loved the eggs deck; everything from the inception and construction to the fact that it’s much harder to pull off than a determinate combo is what brewing is all about
Same, engine decks never fail to make me giddy and eggs is such a silly one. Yeah going through the whole sequence is tedious but the fact someone was able to put these otherwise lackluster cards together and make such a strong machine from them is pretty awesome.
I appreciate piles of what looks like junk but can still win. Other examples are Lantern Control and Amulet titan decks.
How did the deak beat instant speed Graveyard removal?
@@jaysmith7062 lantern control is my favorite deck of all time for a very similar reason
@@hammerhiem75 the biggest ways of dodging it was echoing truth and Leyline of Sanctity. But to be honest it was soft to that, until the next egg that drew you 5 more and let you combo off next turn
I loved playing eggs even if I only picked it up post second sunrise ban with open the vaults subbed in. The longer you play the deck the more paths you can see to getting your combo going and the faster you get at resolving the current game. Favorite trick was running white border basics so ghost quarter search resolved faster. I did play win cons that were faster to resolve than spell bomb with other fun win cons in the sideboard to dodge named removal.
This is the definition of feeling that you're losing even though you're winning
these periodisctic videos seth makes once in a while are my favourite ones he does
My favorite deck I ever piloted!!! It was so much fun 😅 hahaha because you combo the entire deck.. but ot wasn't an infinite combo which ment you could fizzle fairly easily... I loved that deck. Unband second sunrise you cowards!!!
I love these historical videos always a pleasant surprise
at least with eldrazi winter and hogaak summer, you were eliminated fairly quickly, jeez at that point if i hadn't scooped already i would just grab my notepad and start doodling
I preferred playing against this over lantern control. Second breakfast actually took a ton of thought process and knowledge of the deck to play optimally and fast enough to not time out. Lantern control was just "lol im going to discard your hand and then force you to only draw lands while I slowly kill you"... at least with second breakfast you could just zone out until they won or ended their turn. Lantern control was just slow and gruling and you still had to play your turns.
Nice video. Reminded me one of favourite Pro Tour i've watched. Second was the Pro Tour Avacyn Restored.
Man, and I though Counter-rebels decks were boring...
I always played fast decks like stompy, goblin or fires of yamivaya because I didnt had much free time back then. I always looked for the shortest time to win decks. An opponents bad hand could mean a 3~4 min win on some of my decks.
My fires strategy:
1) forest, birds of paradise
2) mountain, wild growth, yamivaya fires
3) land, saprolin burst and thats basically gg
Most of the times my opponents didnt have any way to prevent damage that early on the game. We are talking about turn 2 or 3 for them, and most of the times they had barely any creature to block. Fun times indeed.
I loved this video! I’m really interested in the history of fun or unconventional decks in tournaments. I’d love to learn about which quirky or fun decks have won Pro Tours or World Championships. Some of these decks look like a blast to play with. Here in Mendoza, there's a beginners' group that plays Modern, and I think it would be great to show them some of Magic's history.
playing against the one ring sometimes makes me have eggs flashbacks.
And we thought that Nadu made for a dull game.
Eggs ran so Nadu could fly
Anyone else remember Building on a Budget dailymtg articles? That's where I first found Eggs and it's been my favorite deck of all time.
I keep a copy of this deck around and play solitaire with it once in a while. I love it to bits, but yeah. what a logistical nightmare
Same. It's a fun solitaire deck but I can't imagine actually playing it with someone else.
If this kind of deck was still top of the meta I would have quit magic haha
5:50 Dude on the right almost has the full boomer jund infinity gauntlet. Just needs a lily.
Kids these days don't even know that Jund was a boogeyman before Lili was even printed
Eggs was my favorite modern deck to win fnm with back in the day. My love with it all started when a friend of mine said he'd give me a legacy deck that was only $5 and still competitive. (using the original eggs.)
This video has given me inspiration.
Oh my god, opponents were "literally" bored to death? How many people died? This should be looked into. I'm...I'm so sorry for their loss and for their families. Wow. Dead.
That F6 was hilarious😂
I love the concept of this deck and I'm happy it won big tournies
This is the culmination of theorycrafting and statistics
The true miracle is that Sven kept his deck under wraps and every other player wasn’t playing the exact same deck.
not really. Even if it is likely to win, a lot of players don't want to sit there for an hour playing solitaire in a modern tournament where a normal match is over in 10-15 minutes. You need a lot of patience to play a deck like that.
It's like a yugioh deck without giving the opponent the tools to fight back (and with much more draw than a yugioh deck ever has)
That "If you're going to waste my day in the most boring way possible, I'm going to force you to waste yours too" energy is relatable
Ohh.
. . .dont let Carl near this one . . . Stall decks are his favorite meta
This deck could be used today with thasas
Insane that they managed to get Goofy to narrate an MTG video
7:20 There is a legend in the background. :) RIP Sheldon.
Its been slowly coming back since the printing of beseech the mirror. Had new tools in the form of Zuran Orb, Bolas's Citadel and Cephalid Coliseum. One of my favorite modern decks
This was my first experience of having a tourney deck I played banned lol
I once went 16-1-0 in swiss at a PTQ. It was when Mirrodin first came out and Tinker and Goblin Welder were still Extended legal (about to rotate). So naturally, at least 80% of the field was U/R artifact decks or isocron scepter decks. My single game lost came from a 7yo boy playing Severance/Belcher. That kid looked BORED!
I am just imaging the sheer agony of someone pulling off something similar to win a 4 player commander pod. Highly unlikely to be sure but the cooling ones heels while the guy playing the eggs deck slowly but inexorably drained everyone would be a nightmare. Even then the deck would likely win once as word of it would spread and the player would be immediately be annihilated if he tried to play it again.
I mean if he got to a point where it was infinite, the other players wouldn't make him play it out. Yuuya only made him play it out in game 1, because the combo wasn't infinite yet, and it did in fact fizzle, twice.
back in original mirodin block I made a spellbomb deck with voltaic construct that was very slow but not weak enough to throw away. I miss that deck. with a sol ring could just keep drawing. play 2 bombs, tap both to untap ring, use that to sacrifice a bomb to draw a card. I could take 20 minutes a turn sometimes
idk if this was worse than Nexus/Teferi. Eggs was just boring, while Nexus/Teferi was boring and demoralizing. Losing on turn 53 with your opponent having accessed their entire deck while you have a full hand and an empty board is heart breaking.
Eggs, Lantern Control, and 4Horsemen - Three decks that are made to torture your opponent. I'm all for the decks. Don't punish people for coming up with non-meta decks.
I don't enjoy playing against certain decks but that doesn't mean they should be banned.
I'd be all up for a revival of Lantern Control. And Lantern has more interactions, which makes it not as boring as eggs.
@@DmasterXIII there's always a "worse deck" in a sense but still, being unfun shouldn't be a reason to ban it. Granted I think power creep has made it better and easier to counter these decks.
I was in prison at this time and I remember seeing faiths reward and loving the card immediately. It's a pet card of mine and I've done many similar shenanigans. Although I've never taken turns that last this long. It's usually pretty quick for me and a win con
this HAS to be some sort of psychological torture
Pretty much, or at least as close as a Magic deck can get.
@@MTGGoldfish Turbo fog, Stasis, High Tide, Academy. It sucks playing against combo decks. Unless you are playing control and can tell them no, they don't care what you do, or if you break the right toy they have in play.
God almighty, I might literally beat someone to death if I had to play against this. That's of course if I hadn't died of sheer boredom first...
I loved this deck so much and piloted it until it got banned, then decided to make a work around with ichor springwell and krark clan ironworks. so much fun
When I started in modern I started building eggs then it got banned. Still one of my favorite old modern decks
Man I remember that deck. That was my 1st try into making a modern deck and competing. I was trying a jeskai metal craft with surgical extraction playset side board just for eggs after experiencing it 1sthand. Lol
Oh man. That green field on MODO.
MY EYES!!!!
His opponents must have felt how I feel playing commander. I want to play magic, but somehow all my opponents want to start a reading competition.
Every. Single. Time.
what I don't fully get is: when does this deck go off?
one has to wait 3 turns on the lotuses, right? or can that be avoided?
if this deck needs to wait at least till turn 4: how is it defensive enough to live? And if not: how does it go faster?
To me, the IRL F6 is still the most goated passive aggressive response to these kind of decks.
Reminds me of my mill deck from Mirrodin-Kamigawa era that was a 5-card blue-steel combo that I could reliably pull off every game with blue's massive draw/find advantages - unless you had an instant interrupt that could kill/destroy one of the combo pieces, I simply milled you out 3 cards at a time for 18 or so iterations of the rotation... most folks were good enough to watch it go off 2 or 3 times through then concede.
Once in a while you got a smart ass who made you cycle through it the entire way, hoping you'd make a timing/stack error they could call you on...
EDIT - Since someone will probably ask: Myr Retriever (in graveyard); Myr Retriever, Ur-Golem's Eye, Dross Scorpion, Grinding Station (in play)
Tap Eye - float 2 mana, tap station (sac Myr) - Myr's ability goes on stack (target myr in GY), resolves - myr to hand, station resolves (mill 3), play myr in hand with 2 float mana - Dross Scorpion ability goes on stack (target Eye), Grinding Station ability (untap) goes on stack - Station resolves & untaps, Scorpion resolves (Eye untaps), Myr comes into play. Repeat until concede.
Got some new players who wonder why i don't play any format outside of Commander or Standard...
(Gestures vaguely at deck that bored people into conceding.)
Winnings great, but I like a fight more then a stomp...(also i enjoy the odd bit of "why would you do this?!" decks).
Artifacts too good. I joined MTG in Mirrodin block. Bauble and Salvagers, nice cheap combos and complete control.
this reminds me of a very young me playing against a veteran player at a local store. He played some kind of storm and said "so this combo will take about 30 minutes, but you will lose" and I went "ok, the owner can watch you, I'm going to MC donald's" :D