BOLTR: Skillsaw 77 | Made in USA vs. CHINA
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- ERATTA: I probably busted that nut on the new saw in the previous teardown. I gave it a solid thumping in the vise, and since it's not threaded I probably broke it myself. Thanks for pointing out my error!
We inspect the old USA built 77 and compare it to a brand new Chinese version.
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My college professor told me that there is no engineering skill required to design something that works. The skill is to design something that barely works.
Lmao that explains so much!
The truth is we don't care what the safety factor is because that's ours to find out.
Haha
Used the Skill 77 35 yrs.
Love my new DeWalt cordless
Must have been from Detroit
Watching the Essential Craftsmen gives me the warm and fuzzies like everything's going to be alright. Just tuck you into bed like.
Awesome comment. I feel like EC is father-like. Or grandfather like, depending on your age. Well worth watching anything EC says.
Essential Craftsman and AvE are my two favorite channels!!! And they're fans of each other! Quality knows quality!
dc1445 both awesome channels
dc1445 exactly didn’t know they knew each other
Except AvE just called him an “old codger”! I know he said it out of love and respect though.
Hey essential free Craftsman called Ave a crazy Canadian soo
Phillip De Young thats the kind of bantz you can only have with someone you dont hate. theyre bonding.
That's why I drink my scotch in one night, don't want it to evaporate through the cork.
Haha you can never be too careful
Oi Let the angels have their share ay
Essential Craftsman referred to AvE as a certain Canadian who takes tools eah-part.
Le Canadien from Fruit-loops
That ND bearing stands for “New Departure”. Their bearings were also used in the bigger 1940s-1950s Craftsman power tool motors (drill press, table saw, etc) made by Packard Electric.
Impossible to find a new replacement for too
But agreed, a new one ain't happenin'
ND are in everything from 1920’s to the 60’s. I rebuild equipment for a hobby, put Timken, SKF or NTN. Japanese are good.
"Focus you fa..thank you"
You've changed man.
its all the fame
After watching about 60 Boltr videos and getting to know Unkle B and being a lifetime carpenter (including a "stripper) I have to say this 'vijaayo' gave me a fulfilled appreciation Unkle B. and left me compelled to give him a shout out and thumbs up support for bringing this content. I knew I was onto something special about 30 vids in when my wife catches me in front of the '"confuser" procrastinating those manly duties AGAIN and surprises me with her reaction. As I sat there in guilt once again most certainly looking like a dog in shame and paralyzed by my conscience cringing in remorse expecting the shameful feeling as the door closes and her eyes quietly share disappointment with that "really??" look she surprises me and tosses me a bone and quietly sits down and begins to watch with me. My first thought is one of suspicion and thankfully I did not "let the smoke out" by sharing that because as she sat through 4 back to back vids with me. Sitting there in blissful awe my mind raced with many thoughts and in a rare moment of clarity wisdom prevailed understanding I just need to continue keeping mouth shut. Her enjoyment was genuine evidenced each moment I caught her laughing along side me and when it was over and I thought I was at the apex she delivers the hat trick and confirms her approval with a indirect statement. As the door closed she states that she believes Unkle B is my kindred spirit. Translated as the dude is cool:) Thanks Unkle B! You have validated my existence and proven once and for all to my friends and family that I am not an anomaly and they can take me out in public and leave the masks at home...hahahaha Peace Out-Unkle K
A genuine Christmas miracle!
Kyle Ritchey
Pure poetry, tx!
I guess you had to rewatch those four vijeo’s watched with you better 3/4 because of lack of attention (for the vijeo’s) the first time.
@kyle
The part where you say that they can leave the masks behind, made my day, since I am watching this during Chinese 🦇 Bat Stu Fluarama!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I swear that you wrote this in first person.... with narration done maybe by a 4th person, or even a 5th or two.
The author speakums so like yourself. Damn good story.
I'm actually restoring that exact era Model 77 Skilsaw sometime next year! This will help on the teardown.
Hahaha TWINS! I'm sending you this one too.
That's actually perfect as the one I have needs parts! Thank you. Although, this might be a little less old judging by the handle on the top, but I am sure the internals are the same. Might have to Frankensaw them together.
FRANKENSAW!!!
Get a room you two.
I have the previous iteration torn apart on my workbench. No A prefix on the serial number, date stamp on the rotor says St. Patrick's Day 1952. It looks identical from the outside but there are some internal differences.
Email a picture of the broken nut with an explanation to their marketing department with a clickbaity title such as "Your Skillsaw will kill you!"
C'mon man, I was about to start studying for an enginerding final.
EDIT: I probably got about an 80%?
EDIT the second: Got an 87%, woooooooooooooooo
This counts.
Controls, I'm studying networks and systems... Engineering finals suck
Been there done that, there is light at the end of the tunnel, Focus you Fuck!!
Ah finals, especially for enginerding! Keep that nose to the grindstone bud. We need more pixie wranglers in industry. I'll drink a cold barley pop in your honor.
I'm now wondering how I could use AvE videos for professional development hours for us licensed engineerding types...
my workbench looks similar to yours. Haven't actually seen the top of it in years. When I see yours, I feel better about myself. Thank you!
My observation is that old gear like this had variations of "safety factors" or parts that varied between 1% and 300%. Some parts were going to inevitably wear/break while others were heavily overbuilt. Modern design/manufacturing keeps that safety factor down to a consistent 10% or so, keeping price competitive while having enough margin for average use.
Michael Steeves
Safety factor? I always called that design style "take a guess and double it just to be sure" .
Safety factor? Tell that to the poor slob that finds the saw fly out of his hand, when the nut breaks in 2.
Are you saying the old machinist didn't have calipers to 0.001" accuracy? None of that CNC bullshit. Manual machining by an expert machinist, beats the noob with a CNC every time.
PirateKitty I wish I could agree with you, but at work our 20 year old okuma CNC lathe is used to cut bushings aroun 2" dia 5" long out of oil-lite bronze with a tolerance of ±.0001" and takes about 50 seconds start to finish. 95% or better are within tolerance. There's no way a human could begin to compete with that. Bronze mind you.
My definition of safety factor: On, or Off..
The intermission was hilarious and also extraordinarily accurate. 10/10
Give the tool some nice big ass visible ding on the case so it's still perfectly usable but not returnable to a store. Like, mill AVE on the side with the bridgeport or something like that
I think you should contact the company and complain about the broken parts
Tools like that are the reason smart boys didn't pick bar fights with older timey tradesmen. One punch by a guy who used that beast would knock a water buffalo into next week.
Who needs a fucking gymnasium or health club when every fucking tool weighs 25 pounds or more?!?!
I'm a framer and still use the old skillsaw HD, I don't even fight anymore because of shit like that.
Brian Garrow 😂 no doubt. Same old fart has a 4 lbs framing hammer and three fingers on his left hand
Yup and they swing that 4lb framing hammer for 12+ hours a day. My grandfather was one of those minus the missing fingers. Had hands and arms like a damn bear.
You little girls are cute.
Talking about us masons like we don't watch AvE.
Boof Are you kidding? My first choice for a wingman would be a pissed off mason who just got served his divorce papers from his wife who ran off with his unemployed cousin, Percy. I don't mess with anybody who has biceps bigger than Arnold Schwarzeneggers thighs!!! Mass respect from the rest of us!!!
Just saying...
I loved this video so much. Your commentaries are LOL funny. That framing guy insert was just wonderfully entertaining. Thanks
As a proud commercial construction estimator I take offense to your accurate description of our esteemed value engineering processes.
If you enjoy defect litigation have a value engineering professional assist you to the settlement table.
Value engineering = trouble
The triumvirate (Essential Craftsman, AvE and Handtool Rescue) are singlehandedly together going to drive up to price of the Skil 77 saw. Get 'em while they are still cheap!
@mipmipmipmipmip the real treat especial is when you bothered to hook the green ground wires terminal to the screw on the metal box only to get shocked anyway because the damned elekchicken didn't ground the receptacle or even the whole damn system. I know because I've come across old buildings built long after grounding was mandated that still only had 2 wires in the walls and the ground lug doing fuckall when doing repair work.
@@KR-hg8be electricians are not replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong outlets without a ground wire. Handymen and homeowners are.
NEC only allows a 2 prong outlet without a ground to be replaced by another 2 prong outlet or 3 prong GFCI
@@dennism316 lol well I've worked on some shop buildings owned and built by a licensed electrician back in the 90s. That were as I described. 3 prong outlet, 2 strands of thhn in plastic conduit without a ground wire.
For the broken saw, you should run it till it breaks and see what fails.
See if the broken nut fully breaks or something else goes first.
It bet it lasts longer than the motor does or an owner throws it away for the latest greatest.
Man, I moved away from the Pacific Northwest 18 years ago, and I just now realized when you said it that I haven't heard anyone call the ol work truck a crummy since then. Guess it's just not a thing on the east coast. Crazy the waves of nostalgia I got just from that one word.
Maybe the magnesium base not bending is a feature? I'd say it'd be better to have a few chunks missing than to have the base all cattywompus.
Except you don't get a few chunks missing. You get half of it broken off and a useless tool, while you're 50 miles from Bumfuknowhere and you only have an hour to get something finished.
“That’s when men were men and sheep were scared” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wise decision
Intermission video was priceless.
Checked out several and they're all funny and on point.
shart
The essential craftsman is also how I found your channel and now I've spent the past 4 months watching your videos!
No mileage in alerting the manufacturers to the issue and getting a new nut? Old nut out of circulation, new nut for the tool and a slight chance of design review. Win, win, win.
My thoughts exeactly. Only 6 days later. Me thinks tho that this may be treading too close to endorsement for ol uncle bumblefuck
Mihkel Laansoo wait.. what? The video has been out 6 days?
alles klar klaus Look at the comments.. 6 days old
vidyao's are released early for Patrons. It's been like that for a while.
IVIenac3 directly on youtube.. interesting. That explains everything
"The recipe is overexertion and gas station cookies."
Well that explains it, I've had mixed results with the gas station burrito. I'll have to try the cookies. One day I hope to level up to the gas station sushi.
AvE and Essential Craftsman are a couple of my favorite channels here. I always appreciate videos like this where one channel responds to another.
I have the tool about middle of the two. Somewhat lighter, not a lot, than the old, more ergonomic to the hand but still WAY more durable than the new. I'll keep it. These tools were designed to last as long as you're willing to take care of it. Rebuildable.
No new crap for me. I'm lookin for an older hole hog. :)
If it has American bearings it probably isn't rebuildable because you can't find replacement bearings.
@@johncooper4637
Thanks. And thanks for pointing out that auto-correct bit me again, I fixed my typo... lol
I've found Granger to have things nobody else does. But I get ya. It's often true.
theres nothing worst than getting a hair around the top of your hammer.... especially if the wife finds it first
woot woot, a love from Ave..... i have arrived :-)
phil no- IKR?!? You really don't want to find bone chips and blood in the underside of the blade guard either.
Witness!
lmfao... you know this
phil no o
AvE and essential craftsman wiring together, I like it
Knowing that the new saw is already garbage, you should do a torture test until it blows up. Find out if it fails at the cracked gear nut or if something else let's out the magic blue smoke.
Send it over to Project Farm. He blows everything up!
I'm so glad the two of you master UA-camrs are plugging each other. You're both brilliant. He's just a touch more safe for the kids. Until he throws that running chainsaw toward his feet!
Just grind/mill AvE logo into the casing, that way it is not returnable item anymore and yet for a fan it doubled in value.
Plague so it would be DiRetarded
You're passion for machining is inspiring.
The Essential Craftsman, what a great channel!
Did my apprenticeship with a guy that was 67 years young, been in the business for over 50 years, learnt more from him in my tea break than most guys could teach you in a month.
send it along to the next guy but keep the box. Ain't no one taking back a skillsaw in a walmart grocery bag.
Patrons get everything a week earlier.
Are you kidding? This is ‘merica. People would return it wearing a Walmart bag.
Don't give the receipt or the box, also ding it up a little so the store wont take it back cuz its been heavily used.
As a former Front - End Assistant Manager, I can assure you, that yes, they will try to return it in just a plastic shopping bag.
This kills me :D
Good call on the defective saw! You did the right thing. And thanks for another informative video! I always enjoy watching your work. Years ago my father owned a armature manufacturing facility (back before the politicians sold us down a river). We manufactured new units, as well remanufactured units. I don't know about other facilities, but we only inked the steel laminations on remanufactured armatures, and not the new ones. Blue, just like the one depicted from the USA saw. I inked many of them! back in the day. I can still smell the ink from the pad we rolled them on.
I love how you guys are doing the reviews like this. Good way to link it all together.
Damn you with that intermission, ye should give a fella fair warning, it nearly done did kill me, pepsi cola is for drinking not inhaling. Quality as ever.
Ah! haha! It’s on my hammer now. Bleh! 😩
Nothing worse than another man’s hair on your hammer. 🔨
Zylon FPV ... Except if you hit him in the head with your hammer ... hrhe!
(Joke)
Man? You gotta be careful with that. You don't know what gender pronoun that old Craftsman used
*Craftsperson 🙃
Hair? on your hammer? which hammer? hopefully not the one down you kit.
Gross...
ND bearing probably New Departure (Hyatt) Bearing most likely made in my home town of Sandusky, Ohio
Tommy boy??
call skill saw directly and tell them about the quality control issue
Now THAT is a call we need recorded. For, y'know, training porpoises.
I'd love to hear/ watch that happen!
killernat i doubt they care, but the result doesn't matter. I agree UBF has to contact them.
Do you know what was an absolute nightmare to strip, speaking of old machinery.
A 3 speed column shift Toyota corrola gearbox, shit was skookum, still worked after 50 years of sitting in a paddock but it was a pain to get apart and even worse getting back together.
The bearings didn't pull with a normal puller, there was circlips needing unreasonable pressure.
You'd think something that simple would be easy to pull apart but it took me forever
My old boss always said.. the heat is in the tools. I never understood until I was freezing outside knee deep in construction. Lol
My 77 is about 45 years old and still works just fine. From the looks of the logo on that one it's older than mine by quite a bit. The weight of the old saws can be your friend as it won't crawl up your leg so easily. Man up and think of a days work as saving you a trip to the gym. If I should need another 77 I'll look in a pawn shop.....No China crap for me.
i'd like to see ya machine a replacement nut! surely this is with in the capabilities of the empire of dirt!
Not only fixing but improving it along the way.
Or likewise just shoot a Vahjaho completely destroying that abomination
Either way
Send the nut back to the manufacturer and ask for a new one. Give 'em a link to the video. It's not accepting freebies if they legitimately owe you one because it was cracked on the brand new saw you purchased... I'd be interested to find out how common that problem is..
Essential Craftsman is an excellent channel!
Great vid! Remove the cracked nut and place it on the Shelf of Broken Dreams. Send off the balance of parts as a basket case to a lucky winner, along with the part number of the nut needed to assemble the drive shaft. That way the recipient can reassemble it and use it.
I just watched The Essential Craftsmanship do a first impression video a couple days ago on this saw and noticed he mentioned AvE... So I was hoping you'd do a dissection on it soon.
When men were men and sheep were scared. That's priceless. I was working in the rain all day and was getting a little electrical tingling. It then got me and I couldn't let go. I turned real fast and the weight of that saw tore it out of my hand thank god.
I've commented before about these old Skil and Milwaukee worm drive saws. I love them, they're heavy, powerful and last a long time. BUT framing houses in the pacific northwest in the winter... yeah, that metal handle is the ground and the first raindrop that hits it, and you're going to be looking for the double insulated Makita hypoid.
That was a great objective look into that old (and the new) beast. Glad that you didn't get too sentimental about how things used to be. Great to see the engineering and machining involved but some of those modern touches are a plus.
You want that weight so that it "falls" through the wood you're cutting.
I love how proud of the mess he is during the viggeo, especially when he goes to compare or show something up close, he just drops whatever was in the right hand. Even into a bunch of ancient, dirty tool blood. Fucking awesome comparison viggeo my friend!!
I love watching your videos! I've learned so dang much and had a lot of fun doing it. You're a fantastic teacher. Thanks, peace!
The Essential Craftsmen is the guy you're talking about and you're right he is a treasure of info, Ive been on construction for 25 years and the guy has forgotten more than Ill ever know and is a construction genius. You two should do a collaboration sometime, although I don't think he would approve of your sailor talk
I have the next larger saw, the 825. It's a beautiful thing for sure! I love taking old tools apart. The worm drive Skilsaw is a wonderful machine and the one I like best on a framing job, but Porter Cable made many of the very finest and most expensive power tools in the USA back in the 1930s up into the 90s. Tear into a PC K series circular saw, or a worm drive "Take About" sander such as a 503, or a BB10 and you'll be amazed.
ND= New Departure bearings. They became an in house part of GM in the late '60's. What set them apart from other manufactures is that they would build you what you wanted, without a new part number. If you spend any time in on site machine repair, finding ND on a blown out bearing brings out a massive fealing of dred.
I’m glad you found that intermission video. Minnesota proud.
I've been a carpenter since 1972. I worked for my dad for 15 years. So I inherited a few of those all metal tools. All still work.
The best circular saw we ever bought was the black and decker Saw Cat. This was before they broke up and DeWalt came out. The saw cat lasted me another 10 years before failure. Problem was, no more parts for that saw. Why I didn't like the big yellow DeWalt,,,, I'm not sure. They just weren't the same. So went to Porter Cable. . Now we seem to be in throw away mode. Tools don't seem to last.
The reason the threads are reversed is cause most worm saws, the blade is on the left side. Most regular circular saws the blades on the right side. Therefore regular threads.
Intermission....’That laugh people do when they almost die.’ Hahaha. Wakes you up! Great review of the 77 I just bought. Skookum!
"Old Codger" meaning The Essential Craftsman
He is wicked smart and a true craftsman.
Your bench looks like a diy open heart surgery.
It's known as the "healing bench." And there's gotta be some hurtin', before there can be any healin'.
I have a 1/2" drill of that vintage and construction. I think it was also alternate stock for the main drive for Gato class submarines. Handy for removing your wrists and knocking out moose, and as a bonus, ITS HEAVY.
Hey, I think I know why that powdered metal retaining nut is cracked. You tried to get it off by hitting it with some round stock and a hammer; the shock loading could have easily caused that crack.
I was just gonna comment that. Gorilla went at.
Yep ol passion fingers at it again
Congratulations captain obvious
False
Okay I get that you understand the why's and whatfor's of the design and manufacture but you asked a question so I will give my opinion on the cracked nut based on my experience. In my decades of keeping tools in production when getting replacement parts is difficult I would put the saw back in service without worry with this reasoning. The shaft is retained in position by the bearings within tolerances of a hand tool, the broken nut will act as a spacer bushing when it loosens and the slight play side to side on the keyed shaft will not affect the efficiency of the work gear except for a possible amount of free play upon pulling the trigger due to the load change on the gear as the motor slows to a stop. The only real possibility of it failing is if the nut broke entirely in two due to centrifugal force but with the width of the worm it would probably still operate allbeit with a significant "thunk" when starting.
Knowing you, you tossed instructions 10 seconds in. But in case ya didn't is there a parts list to order a new nut. If not then sure trade it, if he will take it.
The way you described cutting the stakes; I worked for a guy who was doing it exactly how you described. However, one day he caught the blade on his left hand between the thumb and index finger and it ripped its way up his arm and around a good 12 inches. He never had much use of his hand after that and he kept using that same Skil Saw for over 10 years.
The Killsaw I used today was less than 6 months old and the shaft bent on the common encounter of a knot in the wood.
The kid explaining a shart. I lost it. I will be laughing for days. I’m so tired.
I completely agree. Scott the Essential Craftsman is a class act... But, he's no AvE!!!
That is literally what it was like for me working as a framer for the first few houses.
100% exact representation of the job.
I loved that job.
Fuck me in the face!! Know wonder those guys are called the greatest generation, you have to be an effin baddass just to pick the saw up, not to mention drive it straight. For those about to rip em, we salute you!
Chuck Howard h hi
Picking up my Sioux 9" angle grinder sends pangs down my spine.
Took a break from the UA-cam but this sir is comedic gold, the intermission was epic. I too found the silver-haired Craftsman In trying to learn a thing or two and was hooked. You're both great educators. Thanyou.
📌🙋Ave just letting you know I love the things you do its nearly winter here and i suffer from s.a.d. 😢and the stuff you do take my mined off things and makes me feel better so thank you so much 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
One thing I don't like about metal tools is while working with them the occasional setting it down and potentially scratching the surface of where you placed it , the plastic tools are better for that as well.
Essential craftsman, I love his vids.
Yes older tools are usually better built. I took my grandpas old 1/2 hp metal drill and drilled through some aluminum heads. the broken water tube stud was replaced by a bolt it worked out amazingly
Found your channel from the @essential craftsmen. Haven’t stopped laughing during the lesson
Hey Plukky! Spare parts are good! Pay it forward. Every industry is going cheesy. Can’t wait for their jets to be made the same way.
AvE, Good call honoring your gut there. You could fix it or include the replacement part to whoever you give it to. That cracked pm nut isn't sold separately, but sold with the gears pre-installed, p/n 1619X07035. List price is $41 freedom, and can be found at list on amazon, free ship eligible. Saw as high as double that price from crooks elsewhere online so be careful. Why don't you just warranty the damn thing tho? Has a 1yr against defects and that sure as shit is a defect.
The problem with the warranty is no store will take it back in pieces, but most stores will just re-shelf it because it looks brand new and will run perfectly. Maybe just be on a clearance section.
The warranty has to be direct with the manufacture then, but that is hard enough to do.
He broke that part in the other vijeo whacking on it when it was in a vice.
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That made in USA bearing with the "ND" labeling was probably made by New Departure in Plymouth, CT. We used to ride our go carts/mini bikes on their parking lots on the weekends as kids. They closed down years ago.
@29:15 : "Flimsy delrin" /tries to break it, can't Haha :)
My Grandfather a carpenter must’ve slung one of these around all fricken day back in the 60’s and 70’s. Fricken heavy too.
AvE could you do more head to head comparisons like this? New Makita vs. old. Post TTI Milwaukee vs. old.
Huh, so look what I've been doing wrong all these years with magnets and all sorts of look how smart I am. Nice tip, thanks! FWIW, I've just acquired my grandfather's last work truck - a 1968 Mercury. I haven't seen it in 42 years. It's rough, but still enough there to resurrect. I'll be pouring over your channel for tips and tricks to bring the proud old hoss back to life.
the reaction to human smoo is priceless
""The 12 is chasing after the 17 to tell the 40 that it dropped a $1000 bill." Farkin' genius.
Thanks for bringing back the intermission!
The shart bit got me. Gas station cookies + stack of 2x4's = mistake.
New to this channel is this guy an engineer by trade he is very impressively intelligent with the witty old school jokes and Canadian talk
What are the chances that the nut cracked when you were whacking on it during the initial teardown?
Chris Freemesser Don't even go there.....EVER!
Tappy tap tap
Those light taps? Whats going to happen one day when the saw falls, or something else happens to it. Those taps are nothing compared to normal abuse that can happen.
That's what I was a thinking
High. Being sintered metal it's not engineered to handle axial impact like that.
The intermission made my whole month - and extended it by 3 weeks. Overexertion and gas station cookies are excellent ingredients no doubt
send the new one. I will machine a new nut.
The skill model 77 probably cost a weeks wages when new; instead of half a days wages for the new one. This is value engineering in action
Exactly, I think people forget how expensive tools used to be. You can still get stuff that will last through an entire career from snap-on, hilti, and the like, but it's pricey. Cheap and good hand tools are an absolute blessing for hobbyists, and even the cheap crap is getting good enough that it will perform very well for homeowner use.
They are still fairly expensive, just made cheaper. $337.28 at Zoro.
Old vs new teardowns would be a good addition to your channel! We all loved seeing the difference 50 years makes.
send me the bag of parts, i'll put it back together and to good homegamer use.....AND send you a photo of it every year for Christmas to prove I still got it
UA-cam isn't really free. It sucks the time right out of me.
Well, you may've saved me a knuckle or two on that segment about cutting alloy rims. Sorta zoned out so I'm not sure if you meant steel alloy or aluminum alloy rims. Either way, I'm gonna make sure I don't lose any skin when I cut into my aluminum rim. Gotta cut it up for casting purposes eventually.