@@Cheesen77 I think the boss would be more concerned with getting work done more quickly than a 2$ fastener. In a world of heavy machinery, if man labour slows down the site, money adds up quickly.
I get the idea of the bluetooth but I'm kinda confused why any employer would keep a bunch of guys who can't use an impact gun without busting the end off every fastener they touch.
I'll admit it, I'm a newbie in the realm of tools (both powered and non), but I find myself always looking towards this man for an unbiased view on what to put my money towards. It's refreshing to hear someone give a genuine, and knowledgeable, review of tools so I know if I'm getting a deal or just getting dicked by the marketing wank. We appreciate you.
"The last time I looked up Hong Kongese knocks off of Winnie the Pooh my Huwawei phone, just fucking chewing through the data." - This has to be one of the smartest under-the-radar comments I've heard from one of your vijos
0.13mm copper tab is perfectly fine at those currents and over that distance. You don't need to go thicker. But there should have been a double weld on each tab. Also, it looks like they might be beryllium copper spring material which won't work harden.
@@hilldwler420 no but I've priced beryllium copper and regular copper shim and I've copper welded batteries before with commercial machines. We worked with this tech 10 years back.
The bluetooth is usually for asset protection, you activate the app when you get on site, if the device leaves bluetooth range of your phone it sets off alarms on your phone and device.
Bosch’s Bluetooth thingy is not necessary asset protection, it’s paired with nfc (afaik) for inventory management, but also parameter tweaking. As for where they’re made, I have some from Malaysia and some from Germany.
i suspect the unit will be bricked with uncle bumbles IOT delete if thats the case, wouldn't be much of a security feature if you could just unplug it to have a free tool, even if it doesn't have a module in the hole the receiver probably needs to be installed for the brain to run the tool
Regarding the Batteries: I have been using them for about a year. Almost daily use spread across three batteries, two i emptied during the the day. I gotta say I am impressed. They seem to have a lot more charge cycles in them compared to other brands (in my case that's Ryobi). After around 150 charge cycles they are still within spec, even the one used in the grinder manged to stay above 80% capacity.
I have the model without the Bluetooth bought on sale. Its fantastic, i use it for cars and carpentry with a dewaltski battery adapter, its faster than dewalt and ridgid.
Dropping by since a friend of mine discussed the video with me: 4 pins: One pin is for temperature since the pack has jack squat for electronics unlike Makita’s brick-em BMS that sucked off the power of one cell until it went undervolt and errored the pack out if the pack was shelved for too long. I think they fixed that since that was a huge issue in the past. The other pin is pack current limiting/capacity for the charger and tool. My understanding is you can fool Bosch tools into drawing higher current from a "pack" (or DC power source) based off whatever resistance value is in that sense pin's path. You see this if you slot in one of the old batteries and slot in one of the 10 cell packs or that new 5 cell pack you have with the 21700s which have mega capacity. I’m not sure what the ohm values are, but you probably could probe that with the multimeter against another pack (like the ancient 1.5ah ones) and see that it has a different value against the negative/ground. BMS or lack of: This is one thing I've never figured out with Bosch packs and some of the older Dewalts (pre Flexvolt stuff). They're getting away with a pack that doesn't have any BMS (by moving the low voltage cutoff to the tool partially) but more importantly there's a total lack of balancing in the pack but the batteries seem to keep going for some reason. Lack of BMS means no BMS to toast and brick the battery like on Makitas/Rigids/maybe Ryobis but how they keep one cell from killing the pack early on gets me, especially given that these batteries typically can get cycled at >2C charging rates for the first 80% of the charge. Motor Delamination: Probably shouldn't have dropped it before taking it apart, then again yanking on the armature on the Festool saw before yanking the brushes was a sort of uncle bumblefuck moment. Maybe that's why the battery terminals are hosed. Battery plastique: Actually this is an interesting point since there are specific grades of thermally conductive plastics that have stuff like graphite fibers, boron nitride fibers or aluminum nitride in them. I believe they're supposed to be maybe 10-100x+ more thermally conductive than plastic when it comes to heat but they're still like 1-2 zeroes out from aluminum when it comes to the W/mk numbers. They're supposedly really cost effective for replacing aluminum extrusions for applications like LED strips or other high volume production type deals where they can treat the housing as a heatsink. Link to an ancient 2001 article about this stuff: www.ptonline.com/articles/plastics-that-conduct-heat Battery shape: I think you see this on some outdoor equipment battery packs too where they have that "W" shape, except since those have something like a 15-20s configuration they're several lengths lengths of that "W" shape. Supposedly it's good for thermals since you have more cell to outside air rather than cell and dead air. I assume that with the plastic they're able to maybe deal with a bit more thermal management and also keep the pack "length" to a certain shape.
Re: 4 pins - I've got this impact and both the standard batteries and the Core with the 21700 cells. Perhaps it's just my ear Dyno, but it sounds like it's chooching harder with the core battery ,so it leads me to think it's for identifying the battery type? Full disclosure, I didn't totally understand your initial post. I'm not that smart.
16:07 The fuse within the device has a logical reason behind it. When (as usual) placing fuses into the battery packs, a shorted device on the construction site would lead workers to pop in batteries and blow those internal fuses until no battery is left. When fusing within the device- only the (already faulty) device would isolate. Voilà.
Happened to me with an electric drill from Hilti, it rang like a bell and killed the fuse of the Battery. Brain fart I have had I put in another one killing that one too.
@@billrehm3590 I did, the ones from the hammer drill, but my brain clicked and I figured yeah better not do that again. Send the drill and batteries to Hilti, got an invoice stating the price, told them I don't want new batteries but a repaired drill. They gave me new batteries anyways. They threw away the old ones, so they couldn't change them back anymore and said I could keep the new ones without additional costs except the drill repair.
Had this set for 3 years daily use installing and outfitting steel doors and frames. No problems. Even after a few meltdowns which ended with the impact flying through the air and landing on concrete.
I've had the bosch 18v impact for going on 3 years and I use it daily in residential property maintenance. I don't know how the red dingus end stays intact, but it does.
Bcs its residential property maintenance. Put it in the hands of maintenance guys who work offshore, wind turbines, steel mills or other savage industrial environments and it will be gone in no time. Its fine for consumer/prosumer work. But not for stuff like what AvE used to do (I guess mining industry) I have used Bosch in the past, including this impact driver (without the bluetooth-hole in it) and that plastic ring was chewed up AF, their angle grinders die by the dozen. We mainly use Metabo for our grinders now, Hilti for our drills (rotary hammer) and Makita for all the rest including our coffee maker 😂 Makita has given me the best overall experience, there might be others out there that outperform them in charge capacity and power. But the Makita ones are incredibly robust and have the longest overall lifetime. They last for years if not abused.
Brandon Gouge I dunno how many people caught that one like some other I watched today he said something “on account of people been evolving for 6000 years” 😂
Update the batteries are still good. The cordless bulldog took a shot. just after the warranty is up. So don't buy one. If yo have one don't run it to hard.
I use DeWALT and BOSCH. I still like the BOSCH more. Mostly because it fits my hand better. Please consider that I'm not native English speaker. The plastic „heatsink” is not heatsink at all. Its designed to keep the cells mechanically and electrically separated and protected in case of mechanical damage. So even if the black side covers are damaged, chiped out, cells are relatively safe. The ribs are there because of weight reduction. It works fine. I have also replaced the cells in three or four batteries - it's doable. The copper sheet is absolutely fine by electrical POV. Yet yes, they tend to pop off when you disasemble the battery. I personally solder them carefully in place first time I do a battery maintenance(after the warranty, if battery is lucky enough to get to that point) I also made myself a few metal rings instead the red plastic one on the head. The BT is useless until you realize how much fun you can have when your colleagues borrow a tool from you - makes them bring/buy their own equipment therefore actually saving you money - we all know these guys. In the end I have to admit that I make a lot of upgrades on my powertolls. The BOSCH is very eligible for this. Thars why I like it. Even without that mods, all my BOSCH tolls managed to live trough their warranty without upgrades, mods, excessive cleaning and without single malfunction or service needed. Daily use. Excluding the batteries(2 cases of mechanical break, one time water inside...I have about 20 BOSCH total/14 BOSCH CORE)
Hey the bluetooth torque settings are good if you torque about 100 lug nuts a day. You can customise different presets for different vehicles and get the torque just right on each one instantly.
Bluetooth: In an industrial setting, you may need to document fastening processes. Further, when running hundreds of such machines in a production plant where different stations do different jobs, you may have transmitters giving any machine at a given station the required settings without user ruining your entire product.
Really? I worked in an auto parts plant where we had machines to track the torque needed for fasteners. Only the Japanese auto companies actually cared about the data. Gm and Ford only cared about getting the stuff delivered on time.
Jup. 100% correct. AVE was a bit off here. At work we use Cleco tools that work with WLAN. I don't know if this is set up is going to work with 100+ tools in one building all sending data but it might be good for smaller manufacturers. I work at a German Car manufacturer and I can say that every safety critical screw gets data logged.
As an enginerd, the stater lamination separation 18:55 isn't really an issue as the requirement for lamination is for them to be electrically isolated (as well as guiding the flux, minimise eddies etc.).This is routinely done with epoxy but an air gap serves the same purpose. Doesn't suggest that the lamination were flat before they glued them together though. shrug
48 seconds in and I've witnessed you using combination pliers to cut through the wrappers and a knife to combat the tape. Are you alright dude? Should we be worried?? I reckon a drill and a firecracker would've put T under ten seconds with such a flappy box. Maybe you're just out of firecrackers..
I think Bosch may have doing the whole bluetoothery for when a lady comes along and attaches a rubber dingus to the end and you can control said dingus remotely.
Tools are designed for men. Men can use rubber dinguses even more effectively than ladies, much to the dismay of many a men with fragile masculinity lol
"Ya gotta get the foreskin peeled back in order to get the anvil out." So THAT is what I've been doing wrong. My wife and my girlfriend thank you, Sir.
I picked up one of these, and to be absolutely honest... it's a friggin beast. It slays any normal carpentry or electrical task, and it takes off lug nuts and the like with ease.
The whole industry is shifting towards these newer 21700 cells. I have both the newer and older 4ah packs and side by side, the newer one is more compact and can discharge higher amps. These new 21700 cells are no joke! I also have two of the 8ah batteries powering my e-bike and they can handle 30A with no sweat. The new 8ah is barely any bigger than the older 4ah.
The Bluetooth is for tracking how often the tool screws per day and how long for each screw. Another hidden feature is the proximity sensor. Driver via BT: "Owner screwed 3 times today, for 10 minutes each time. Only one human body was detected."
Came back after almost a year to say my workmate uses these and absolutely loves that you can warranty them no questions asked just like the rigid (aeg in my country) at the local bunnings (homeless despot of Australia)
How's the battery drain on them? do they still have most the power when the battery is low? I find that the regular batteries from some tasks are useless when there down to 1/3, and the 2.0Ah batteries start to tapper off after a few minutes of heavy use. Asking because i'm thinking of going Milwaukee Fuel
@@MrHeHim Hope I'm not too late! I'm running a lot of the (European called ProCore) Core batteries, and have honestly never experienced any loss of power until I'm at like 1/5 or so of the capacity. That said I usually don't run them that low because I have a lot of them and just change them while changing tasks, but I'm very pleased with my purchases over the last 3 years, and would recommend them to anyone. Milwaukee has a lot more tools, some with more power, but I've never felt any lack of power in my Bosch tools, and the comfort is amazing :)
The Bluetooth is usually for job site tracking so if it leaves the Bluetooth range it sends you a notification and then disables the tool (theft prevention)
Ok I’m having some trouble understanding what the verdict is with this BOLTR... you abuse it, it survives remarkably well, it’s well made, electrically safe, uses quality components like caps (that’s gotta be unheard of for modern consumer power tools!), and packed full of features with good specs, only has moderate griebling, but you don’t like it because the inside of the clamshell has apprentice marks and the battery pack uses what appear to be thin (but wide and certainly perfectly rated for the task) cell connections, and it has a small amount of cost in the optional Bluetooth thing that’s probably more than offset by selling the data they mine from it lmao.. at least the majority of the Bluetooth components are *not* included and are on a separate module. I get that a BOLTR is designed to look at the things most reviewers don’t, but it seems like Bosch put in a darn good showing and they’re not made by TTI, so that’s gotta stand for something right? Also wish I had a spare (or even a single lmao) GDS18V-LI HT to send in and see if the tool and die makers in Germany find things a little easier to get right. Lol.
The answer to the question why the larger batteries is relatively simple. The larger ones have a higher energy density, meaning the old 2 AH battery would be almost as big as the new 4 AH battery. So if you have twice the capacity in almost the same space, I don't think that is marketing, but progress. I would rate the Bluetooth module depending on the tool. For measuring tools I think the transfer of data and documentation is very useful and time saving. Also the battery lights benefit from the possibility to control them from a distance, especially when they are positioned in places that are difficult to access. I also find the possibility to determine the kickback behaviour of the percussion drills very helpful.
Have owned my pre Core batteried driver for over 6 years now, pretty much every day, in the construction equipment repair buisness, and even to my amazement, the thing still chooches along well enough to not need a replacement yet.
the plastic tip keeps us from damaging other stuff. the thinner the foil, the less cracks matter (from enginerding school) its why fishing line is strong.. if it were a rod it could crack easily. the O ring was a goof. for assembly of aerospace or medical devices logging what assemblers do can help with quality assurance. its for hiring malicious people and recognizing them, or making it easy for them to comply with the rules and not break stuff. the bigger cells are being used by tesla, donno if it makes sense for the tool... each part in the cell is stressed less... but heat build up can be an issue.
The bigger cells used by Tesla means more heat build up, because they are denser cells, the only reason to go bigger cells than 18650 is for more energy density at the cost of durability.
@@IAlternateMyCapitals He phrased it badly. The thinner the gauge the less you need to worry about cracking and fracturing, because it can move and distort more easily following the movement (or vibration yadda yadda) of the surfaces it is attached to. TL/DR It'll move and bend where a thicker gauge would crack and snap.
The bigger individual battery cells may help as you can get more capacity in the same volume given we are only using 5 cells. The white stuff also helps prevent the cells from moving.
I have the older model also brushless with the half inch and quarter center. Same 18v battery but I have the bigger 4 amp hr batteries. Thing is fucking solid mine has been used and abused, many times left in the bed of my truck going threw car wash and rain and she still runs hand hits just as hard. Almost 3 years of abuse and she still goes very well. Only thing that I have to complain about is the batteries don't like to charge when it's super cold out. But they do hold a nice charge.
The 4 thou Cu is plenty skookum for that application. We design high current 18650 packs for the oil/gas industry and use 5 thou Ni 200/201 for cell connections. It's not value engineering, it's just how most commercial 18650 packs are made.
I've been on the Bosch platform for and definitely agree that this line of machines is not top of the line, especially for the retail price, however I think you would really enjoy the build quality of the Swiss built Bosch tools such as their much older cordless tools and their high end jigsaws, they are some of the few machines I can consistently say I feel more confident in their durability than the HILTIs. Cheers from Seattle!
The Bluetooth is a necessary stealth component to help bridge connectivity to other "Essential" devices. i.e. Dominion voting machines spread throughout the world in places like China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other 3rd world nations.
I have a Bosch router table but Bosch is about a 5th or 6th choice in my books. Ever since the brushes in my Dad's hammer drill wore down cocked sideways and ripped the commutator strips right out. That drill was from about 1977 and it didn't have very many hours on it when this happened in 1990. I have a Dewalt corded hammer drill that has bubbled the labels from heat, screwed thousand of screws and made hundreds of holes in concrete. After 22 years it's had the cord replaced once and that's it. Dewalt, Snapon, Makita, Commercial grade Black and Decker, Milwalkee, Old porter Cable are fairly good. Some of the old Ryobi was good too.
The new Milwaukee drivers have the bluetooth built in and it is for both tracking and controlling torque. My job switched over to them, comes in real handy for all the dull apprentices that like to run the impact right through the nut.
@@benbaselet2026 there *is* a thin section though? And the TPE is holding the copper tight to the terminal, the spot weld is probably carrying 5% of the current...
standing ovation for that James Burke's Connections mention. Criminally underrated and immensely entertaining show about how science and tech shaped this planet's surface
All the BOLTR's seem to confirm what I see on job sites and workshops here in Sweden. Bosch were quite popular here back in the days when they were still made in Germany. Nowadays it's Hilti first, Makita and Metabo in second place, third is a tossup between Hitachi and Festool (Festool of course for the fancier wood fairies). That is what I see on the job. Even the Ryobis seems to be more popular than Bosch not because of quality of course. Some companies seems to buy them for an apprentices first tool kit.
Really enjoyed watching this video! However I think it should be put into perspective as some aspects were mentioned that are bad while some were considered decent. The tool survived the drop test, mechanical parts were considered decent, battery interface was considered good, electric circuits also positive as there is a car fuse, other fuses and epoxy molded Platine (water: Dust protection?). As mentioned below maybe the stator got bumped and delaminates during the fall, inside mold work is - at least in my opinion - rather a cosmetic issue, plastic ring on the bit mount might be worth reconsidering / spare tools are available though and seeing other options such as metal or rubber it should be considered that the environment is often oily / greasy thus posing other problems. Battery packs have become relatively cheap: per amp hour you generally pay 10 euro here in Germany, if you want procore/ wireless charging it’s another 10-20 euro on top of that. The impact driver is the smallest in the lineup (180NM - 650NM?). On promotions I’ve seen it as solo. Took without l-boxx and battery for 80-90 €. Obviously you can get much better built like the GDS 18V li HT. However for prosumers who don’t want to spend €300+ it’s a viable option.
I bought that kit about a year and a half ago as my first cordless impact and thought I was buying quality. Boy it made work harder than it needed to be. My wife gave me an M18 compact for my birthday last week and it out out-torques that Bosch by a country mile
All I know is 2 1/2 months I have had this impact and Ive worked it relentlessly at work (Journeyman plumber new const) and hasnt revealed problem 1 yet..holds its own & then some..I drill alot into wood and mix alot of mortar mix and Im telling you this thing does great..
I can't imagine the irritation of the mold maker digging the part out of the A side that many times before getting it to stay in the B side. Probably unloaded half a can of mold release out of pure frustration.
The Bluetooth adapter is really cool, you can download the BOSCH app, and change the tool from Right handed for RH people, to Left handed. Nice Bosch, other makers should have this.
Company I work for bought a dozen sets of these Bosch cordless tools for us last year, impacts, drills, jigsaws, grinders, lights... So far I don't think we've had any failiures... We smoked a ton of DeWalt 18 and 20v stuff though. And we abuse them, I swing 6.5" hole saws with the hammer drill and I've been known to drill through 6" beams with a 1.5" spade bit in the impact lol.... I still prefer the DeWalt drill and impact to the Bosch for torque and feel.. But the Bosch jigsaw is amazing, i liked it so much I went and bought a big plug in one for my shop
With lithium ion batteries the bigger the cell the longer it takes to discharge the longer it takes to discharge the longer the tool runs therefore the fewer times over the life of the tool you have to recharge the battery the less chance there is for the metallic filaments in the other things that happened in Lithium-ion batteries to occur to kill the battery. So bigger cell equals longer battery life for operation and longer battery life overall so yeah it's a good thing It looks to me like the primary aim here is to distribute and mitigate heat buildup the copper passes the power better so generates less Heat and you get less resistance so the battery last longer that way and you get better available surge power to the 20 volt Max
Those bigger battery cells have a higher energy density than the 18650s. Read the white paper Tesla released on it a couple years ago. They are the ones leading the charge on rolling out the bigger battery cells for their own use. They are using the battery industry to build them to get the price down. you'll start seeing these bigger cells in more and more devices.
If these are using 21700 cells then they are totally worth increase in size. 21700 cell aka Tesla cells can be had in 5000mah capacity. I believe 18650s top out around 3000mah. 40% more capacity for only being 5mm longer and 3mm bigger diameter is huge. That would make this pack a 5ah pack, this is smaller than many competitors 4ah packs.
I've got 2 pennies for ya boss, Tin Basher here, now a service tech. I've been using Bosch since I was a wee first-year slopping goo on joints. Got one of the earlier iterations of this toy 6 moons ago that I spin in my day-to-day. Thank frig my version doesn't have BT, and a shitty bottom light. (WTF) Had it less than a month when she attempted flight from my 8' and lost a toenail in much the same fashion as yours. Also, that condom wrapper was ripped and slipped off mid stroke early in her career. Not that I miss it, better feel of what's surrounding you if you known what I mean. Any who, there's my 2 cents and I think one must have been a Freedom coin by the way I'm rambling. Gotta love that exchange rate.
You can be 100% sure that at least 5 German engineers have independently checked and double and triple checked that those battery connectors are sufficient enough to deliver enough amps to satisfy the drill and the fuse in the drill and outlive even the reviewer, at the same time keeping cost down and in front of the competition.
Bigger batteries typically mean higher peak amps. If I were rich enough to gamble I would bet they out perform similar amp hour configurations with smaller cells for 'average' torque throughout the duty cycle. I'm sure the battery will die when you need it most but it will 'chouch till it friggin dies' if I got my technical lingo right.
The copper being that thin is probably due to the difficulty in spot welding the copper -- any thicker and you probably risk punching through the battery case.
Not... exactly. Most of the heat is going to stay in the copper because... That's what copper does. It conducts. The thicker the copper, the larger the spot weld you can do. To a point.
I also wonder about the flexibility, copper work hardens like Ave said but all of the robotic grade flexible sensor cables I have seen tend to have thin seemingly near dead soft copper (28 AWG 12-18 strands ) maybe the wide strip is for getting the proper surface area for the current and the thickness is also for allowing more flex cycling without failure. I also think you have an excellent and poignant thought about the spot welding, I have hear it takes a tremendous amount more power to spot weld copper compare to other metals in similar joints.
It was interesting to see inside this thing, so thanks for that, and for the amusing comentary. However your beefs seem to be minor and twatty - the pinched O ring, ok, the foil in the battery and the plastic release thing (and the bluetooth). The fundamentals of the unit - motor and impact mech - look robust and I feel encouraged to buy one, thanks again.
Every year that goes by, these things get worse. Sure it’s small stuff but that small stuff can bring your work to a grinding halt until you get some parts or whatever to fix it. Time is money. Get the metal parts where you need them and the plastic where it makes sense.
Had a Bosch 18V 4 Amp Hour drill. Bouthg because it was the shortest available at the time so I could get stubby augers and drill between non standard close together ceiling joists. Had a lot of use but it fell apart after 5 years and fixing would have almost bought a whole new drill! Had a bare version of the matching impact driver that I was disappointed in from the start. Gave the driver, battery, and charger to a charity. Replaced the pair with a Milwaukee pack - vastly superior. Also superior to a friend's DeWalts. Love my small Bosch angle driver and my 12 volt 85mm circular saw is a bit flimsy but an excellent small tool - actually, I'm using it a lot - amazing how most cuts are 1" or less. But the drill and driver were not good.
The plastic fins are a way of making a strong piece of casing that can also expose the battery directly to outside air helps for cooling but expose the battery to things that can bend or puncture them. Bigger battery because it has a bigger capacity and a lower internal rezistance which helps at extracting power from them more efficiently. I think they need them that way. Because the gauge of the motor wire coils looks like it will manage a lot of amps.
I have used the old model without Bluetooth for over 2 years and it works fine only thing is the red grip on the end came off but its metal underneath.
Those marks aren't to try and keep the part in the mould, it's to try and take it out. The finished surface(outside) is the cavity of the tooling, and in order to drive up parts per hour the moulders will have likely taken time away from cooling the part(which makes the part cling to the inside core) so they add those little marks to help demould it.
0.004" is just about the same as a 3oz copper pour on a pcb. Guessing that the width is about half an inch, those copper tabs could easily pass 30 amps.
pretty sure the new generation of batteries bosch is running run much cooler, and those are not heat sinks they are structural reinforcements (but also makes the plastic thinner around the batteries so they can dissipate heat better.. as for the copper, sure looks like they had it tightly packed where vibration was not going to be an issue to work harden it.
"worker Nr. 647 isn`t logged on to his drill Sir"
"release the hounds"
The blutooth does have an advantage. You can set your phone up to someone else's drill, then lower the torque when they are trying to use it.
I am pretty sure that that is the whole point. Your boss can preset the torque so that you won't break the fastener.
Screams in frustration
I'd use it if it's an anti theft feature-locks the electronics when stolen
@@Cheesen77 I think the boss would be more concerned with getting work done more quickly than a 2$ fastener. In a world of heavy machinery, if man labour slows down the site, money adds up quickly.
I get the idea of the bluetooth but I'm kinda confused why any employer would keep a bunch of guys who can't use an impact gun without busting the end off every fastener they touch.
I'll admit it, I'm a newbie in the realm of tools (both powered and non), but I find myself always looking towards this man for an unbiased view on what to put my money towards. It's refreshing to hear someone give a genuine, and knowledgeable, review of tools so I know if I'm getting a deal or just getting dicked by the marketing wank.
We appreciate you.
"The last time I looked up Hong Kongese knocks off of Winnie the Pooh my Huwawei phone, just fucking chewing through the data."
- This has to be one of the smartest under-the-radar comments I've heard from one of your vijos
Explain it
@@jeffreylynds7986yeah, some are just only dim enough to pass the pits on a Sunday. Is this the data harvesting Huawei was busted for?
0.13mm copper tab is perfectly fine at those currents and over that distance. You don't need to go thicker. But there should have been a double weld on each tab.
Also, it looks like they might be beryllium copper spring material which won't work harden.
That kind of copper cost more than the batteries itself. Ever priced beryllium copper tools before?
@@hilldwler420 no but I've priced beryllium copper and regular copper shim and I've copper welded batteries before with commercial machines. We worked with this tech 10 years back.
The bluetooth is usually for asset protection, you activate the app when you get on site, if the device leaves bluetooth range of your phone it sets off alarms on your phone and device.
I prefer the thought of dystopian marches being broadcast whilst drilling....
Huh! I was wondering why in tarnation anyone would want a driver connected to the Interwebs. You’ve at least provided an excuse for it.
If it weren't so chintzy and outta place a PWM speaker from the drill's motor actually sounded kinda neat.
Bosch’s Bluetooth thingy is not necessary asset protection, it’s paired with nfc (afaik) for inventory management, but also parameter tweaking.
As for where they’re made, I have some from Malaysia and some from Germany.
i suspect the unit will be bricked with uncle bumbles IOT delete if thats the case, wouldn't be much of a security feature if you could just unplug it to have a free tool, even if it doesn't have a module in the hole the receiver probably needs to be installed for the brain to run the tool
Malaysian watcher here. Thats pretty accurate cursing there
Pretty expensive place to manufacture..😂😂
"boleh terima resit? pukeemakk"
hahaahha😂😂
@@amirulzainal3385 hahaha...
You guys got better quality control then chinesium
'Impact driver' I thought that meant the hammer impacting the anvil but no it's the whole tool impacting AvE's floor 👍
LOL
Regarding the Batteries: I have been using them for about a year. Almost daily use spread across three batteries, two i emptied during the the day. I gotta say I am impressed. They seem to have a lot more charge cycles in them compared to other brands (in my case that's Ryobi). After around 150 charge cycles they are still within spec, even the one used in the grinder manged to stay above 80% capacity.
Yea, they are great, he seems to be just doing it for clicks.
I’ve dropped my Bosch impact from really questionable heights before and it’s never broke. I like it
Judging from how I saw Bosch pro tools getting abused I can promise you they will last you a long time.
i dropped my GDX 18V-EC impact from just over waist height and it snapped clean in half at the handle
I have the model without the Bluetooth bought on sale. Its fantastic, i use it for cars and carpentry with a dewaltski battery adapter, its faster than dewalt and ridgid.
"It can't be that thin...impossible"
Same thing my ex said on our wedding night.
@@NB-1 little of column A, little of column B
at least your a good boy and you waited! hats off
There’s a reason her filling rattler made you jealous.
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Dear American Sir. You keep saying “Borsch”. It’s actually pronounced “Bosh” FYI
Dropping by since a friend of mine discussed the video with me:
4 pins:
One pin is for temperature since the pack has jack
squat for electronics unlike Makita’s brick-em BMS that sucked off the power of
one cell until it went undervolt and errored the pack out if the pack was shelved
for too long. I think they fixed that since that was a huge issue in the past.
The other pin is pack current limiting/capacity for the charger and tool.
My understanding is you can fool Bosch tools into drawing higher
current from a "pack" (or DC power source) based off whatever
resistance value is in that sense pin's path. You see this if you slot in one
of the old batteries and slot in one of the 10 cell packs or that new 5 cell
pack you have with the 21700s which have mega capacity. I’m not sure
what the ohm values are, but you probably could probe that with the multimeter
against another pack (like the ancient 1.5ah ones) and see that it has a different
value against the negative/ground.
BMS or lack of:
This is one thing I've never figured out with Bosch packs and some of the older Dewalts (pre Flexvolt stuff). They're getting away with a pack that doesn't have any BMS (by moving the low voltage cutoff to the tool partially) but more importantly there's a total lack of balancing in the pack but the batteries seem to keep going for some reason. Lack of BMS means no BMS to toast and brick the battery like on Makitas/Rigids/maybe Ryobis but how they keep one cell from killing the pack early on gets me, especially given that these batteries typically can get cycled at >2C charging rates for the first 80% of the charge.
Motor Delamination:
Probably shouldn't have dropped it
before taking it apart, then again yanking on the armature on the Festool saw
before yanking the brushes was a sort of uncle bumblefuck moment.
Maybe that's why the battery terminals are hosed.
Battery plastique:
Actually this is an interesting point
since there are specific grades of thermally conductive plastics that have
stuff like graphite fibers, boron nitride fibers or aluminum nitride in them. I
believe they're supposed to be maybe 10-100x+ more thermally conductive than
plastic when it comes to heat but they're still like 1-2 zeroes out from
aluminum when it comes to the W/mk numbers. They're supposedly really cost
effective for replacing aluminum extrusions for applications like LED strips or
other high volume production type deals where they can treat the housing as a
heatsink. Link to an ancient 2001 article about this stuff:
www.ptonline.com/articles/plastics-that-conduct-heat
Battery shape:
I think you see this on some outdoor equipment battery packs too
where they have that "W" shape, except since those have something
like a 15-20s configuration they're several lengths lengths of that "W" shape. Supposedly
it's good for thermals since you have more cell to outside air rather than cell
and dead air. I assume that with the plastic they're able to maybe deal with
a bit more thermal management and also keep the pack "length" to a certain shape.
Dammit.
I'm inclined to believe you know what you are talking about.
Internet rules broken today.
I assume, supposedly, you don't have any facts to contribute.
Skookoom
Wow
Re: 4 pins - I've got this impact and both the standard batteries and the Core with the 21700 cells. Perhaps it's just my ear Dyno, but it sounds like it's chooching harder with the core battery ,so it leads me to think it's for identifying the battery type? Full disclosure, I didn't totally understand your initial post. I'm not that smart.
16:07 The fuse within the device has a logical reason behind it. When (as usual) placing fuses into the battery packs, a shorted device on the construction site would lead workers to pop in batteries and blow those internal fuses until no battery is left. When fusing within the device- only the (already faulty) device would isolate. Voilà.
Happened to me with an electric drill from Hilti, it rang like a bell and killed the fuse of the Battery. Brain fart I have had I put in another one killing that one too.
@@billrehm3590 I did, the ones from the hammer drill, but my brain clicked and I figured yeah better not do that again. Send the drill and batteries to Hilti, got an invoice stating the price, told them I don't want new batteries but a repaired drill. They gave me new batteries anyways. They threw away the old ones, so they couldn't change them back anymore and said I could keep the new ones without additional costs except the drill repair.
@@billrehm3590 Genius.
@@keigun5546 I keep hearing good things about hilti customer service I think I might go that way... you recommend?
@@jessehall8168 very good tools but very expensive. Good for a business.
Dude your intelligence is unending - your humor is kickass. Love this channel. Please keep it up.
Er, intelligence is a *non starter*...A redneck hangout this.
Had this set for 3 years daily use installing and outfitting steel doors and frames. No problems. Even after a few meltdowns which ended with the impact flying through the air and landing on concrete.
I've had the bosch 18v impact for going on 3 years and I use it daily in residential property maintenance. I don't know how the red dingus end stays intact, but it does.
Bcs its residential property maintenance.
Put it in the hands of maintenance guys who work offshore, wind turbines, steel mills or other savage industrial environments and it will be gone in no time. Its fine for consumer/prosumer work. But not for stuff like what AvE used to do (I guess mining industry)
I have used Bosch in the past, including this impact driver (without the bluetooth-hole in it) and that plastic ring was chewed up AF, their angle grinders die by the dozen. We mainly use Metabo for our grinders now, Hilti for our drills (rotary hammer) and Makita for all the rest including our coffee maker 😂
Makita has given me the best overall experience, there might be others out there that outperform them in charge capacity and power. But the Makita ones are incredibly robust and have the longest overall lifetime. They last for years if not abused.
@@claudyfocan731 you could have just said you were a makita fanboi. it could have saved you 2 paragraphs.
“So you don’t have to suitcase it anymore”
This dudes jokes are always on point.
Brandon Gouge I dunno how many people caught that one like some other I watched today he said something “on account of people been evolving for 6000 years” 😂
I have a Bosch bulldog cordless 1" sds that uses the same batteries. I use it almost everyday for about 6 months. So far I like it....
Update the batteries are still good. The cordless bulldog took a shot. just after the warranty is up. So don't buy one. If yo have one don't run it to hard.
I use DeWALT and BOSCH. I still like the BOSCH more. Mostly because it fits my hand better. Please consider that I'm not native English speaker.
The plastic „heatsink” is not heatsink at all. Its designed to keep the cells mechanically and electrically separated and protected in case of mechanical damage. So even if the black side covers are damaged, chiped out, cells are relatively safe. The ribs are there because of weight reduction. It works fine. I have also replaced the cells in three or four batteries - it's doable.
The copper sheet is absolutely fine by electrical POV. Yet yes, they tend to pop off when you disasemble the battery. I personally solder them carefully in place first time I do a battery maintenance(after the warranty, if battery is lucky enough to get to that point)
I also made myself a few metal rings instead the red plastic one on the head.
The BT is useless until you realize how much fun you can have when your colleagues borrow a tool from you - makes them bring/buy their own equipment therefore actually saving you money - we all know these guys.
In the end I have to admit that I make a lot of upgrades on my powertolls. The BOSCH is very eligible for this. Thars why I like it. Even without that mods, all my BOSCH tolls managed to live trough their warranty without upgrades, mods, excessive cleaning and without single malfunction or service needed. Daily use. Excluding the batteries(2 cases of mechanical break, one time water inside...I have about 20 BOSCH total/14 BOSCH CORE)
"I'm gonna leave it on the healing bench and see if it doesn't spontaneously put itself back together" XD I'm dying
Hey the bluetooth torque settings are good if you torque about 100 lug nuts a day. You can customise different presets for different vehicles and get the torque just right on each one instantly.
Bluetooth: In an industrial setting, you may need to document fastening processes. Further, when running hundreds of such machines in a production plant where different stations do different jobs, you may have transmitters giving any machine at a given station the required settings without user ruining your entire product.
Really? I worked in an auto parts plant where we had machines to track the torque needed for fasteners. Only the Japanese auto companies actually cared about the data. Gm and Ford only cared about getting the stuff delivered on time.
@@millwrightrick1 Huh I guess explains a lot!
Jup. 100% correct. AVE was a bit off here. At work we use Cleco tools that work with WLAN. I don't know if this is set up is going to work with 100+ tools in one building all sending data but it might be good for smaller manufacturers. I work at a German Car manufacturer and I can say that every safety critical screw gets data logged.
:gingerly opens the box:
:proceeds to drop tool from 12 feet up onto concrete:
The red Plastic ring is the 1/4 hex Release mechanism for the bits @AvE
As an enginerd, the stater lamination separation 18:55 isn't really an issue as the requirement for lamination is for them to be electrically isolated (as well as guiding the flux, minimise eddies etc.).This is routinely done with epoxy but an air gap serves the same purpose. Doesn't suggest that the lamination were flat before they glued them together though. shrug
48 seconds in and I've witnessed you using combination pliers to cut through the wrappers and a knife to combat the tape.
Are you alright dude? Should we be worried??
I reckon a drill and a firecracker would've put T under ten seconds with such a flappy box.
Maybe you're just out of firecrackers..
He said flappy box ....
Huhuhuh
Something witty....
I think someone has broken the chain spinning finger mangler...
well... my first thought about that is that he actually cares for the tool... next thing I know it's flying off a ladder
@@juststeve5542 Almost, *almost* be-coffee'd my monitor on that one.
It was the lusting for the fancy bag
I think Bosch may have doing the whole bluetoothery for when a lady comes along and attaches a rubber dingus to the end and you can control said dingus remotely.
Tools are designed for men. Men can use rubber dinguses even more effectively than ladies, much to the dismay of many a men with fragile masculinity lol
"Ya gotta get the foreskin peeled back in order to get the anvil out."
So THAT is what I've been doing wrong. My wife and my girlfriend thank you, Sir.
And never shall they meet
Wife and girlfriend, you're a player lol
I picked up one of these, and to be absolutely honest... it's a friggin beast. It slays any normal carpentry or electrical task, and it takes off lug nuts and the like with ease.
The whole industry is shifting towards these newer 21700 cells. I have both the newer and older 4ah packs and side by side, the newer one is more compact and can discharge higher amps. These new 21700 cells are no joke! I also have two of the 8ah batteries powering my e-bike and they can handle 30A with no sweat. The new 8ah is barely any bigger than the older 4ah.
Lost it at “Hey there Johnny..... uhh why aren’t you logged into your drill.....?” 😭😭😭😂😂
The Bluetooth is for tracking how often the tool screws per day and how long for each screw. Another hidden feature is the proximity sensor.
Driver via BT: "Owner screwed 3 times today, for 10 minutes each time. Only one human body was detected."
Came back after almost a year to say my workmate uses these and absolutely loves that you can warranty them no questions asked just like the rigid (aeg in my country) at the local bunnings (homeless despot of Australia)
I've used the 18v core batteries for 2 years and it hasnt let me down running about 2 hours putting metal roofs on
So would you say more chooch more better?
How's the battery drain on them? do they still have most the power when the battery is low? I find that the regular batteries from some tasks are useless when there down to 1/3, and the 2.0Ah batteries start to tapper off after a few minutes of heavy use.
Asking because i'm thinking of going Milwaukee Fuel
@@MrHeHim Hope I'm not too late!
I'm running a lot of the (European called ProCore) Core batteries, and have honestly never experienced any loss of power until I'm at like 1/5 or so of the capacity.
That said I usually don't run them that low because I have a lot of them and just change them while changing tasks, but I'm very pleased with my purchases over the last 3 years, and would recommend them to anyone.
Milwaukee has a lot more tools, some with more power, but I've never felt any lack of power in my Bosch tools, and the comfort is amazing :)
@@Mattittas picked up a kit with the Freak and hammer drill with two 4.0Ah Core18v batteries, totally agree! Awesome batteries
This is the kind of guy everyone wants to be on shift with. Makes the time go by easy with the witty humor
The Bluetooth is usually for job site tracking so if it leaves the Bluetooth range it sends you a notification and then disables the tool (theft prevention)
the tool works without it.
@@NGC1433 Yes but the site manager knows when a tool leaves the site.
@@NGC1433 Maybe not if the feature has been enabled first.
Ok I’m having some trouble understanding what the verdict is with this BOLTR... you abuse it, it survives remarkably well, it’s well made, electrically safe, uses quality components like caps (that’s gotta be unheard of for modern consumer power tools!), and packed full of features with good specs, only has moderate griebling, but you don’t like it because the inside of the clamshell has apprentice marks and the battery pack uses what appear to be thin (but wide and certainly perfectly rated for the task) cell connections, and it has a small amount of cost in the optional Bluetooth thing that’s probably more than offset by selling the data they mine from it lmao.. at least the majority of the Bluetooth components are *not* included and are on a separate module. I get that a BOLTR is designed to look at the things most reviewers don’t, but it seems like Bosch put in a darn good showing and they’re not made by TTI, so that’s gotta stand for something right? Also wish I had a spare (or even a single lmao) GDS18V-LI HT to send in and see if the tool and die makers in Germany find things a little easier to get right. Lol.
"That wheel on your dingus looks uncomfortable."
"Yaaaargh, it's driving me nuts."
Such a bad pun, loved it though
The answer to the question why the larger batteries is relatively simple.
The larger ones have a higher energy density, meaning the old 2 AH battery would be almost as big as the new 4 AH battery.
So if you have twice the capacity in almost the same space, I don't think that is marketing, but progress.
I would rate the Bluetooth module depending on the tool.
For measuring tools I think the transfer of data and documentation is very useful and time saving.
Also the battery lights benefit from the possibility to control them from a distance, especially when they are positioned in places that are difficult to access.
I also find the possibility to determine the kickback behaviour of the percussion drills very helpful.
Have owned my pre Core batteried driver for over 6 years now, pretty much every day, in the construction equipment repair buisness, and even to my amazement, the thing still chooches along well enough to not need a replacement yet.
I'm disappointed it failed the 12' drop test, as I often work on my lathe 12' in the air
Huh, I thought it passed.
What if you're a roofer?
@@stuartd9741 no just using the good ol 12' snipe to tighten down the tool post
Is that a cosmic lathe , vtl or 200" swing ?
It passed,but the de-lamination is a concern.
Love the fact that the satire and reality is still separated by less than 40 thousands of an inch on this show.
Good one!
the plastic tip keeps us from damaging other stuff.
the thinner the foil, the less cracks matter (from enginerding school) its why fishing line is strong.. if it were a rod it could crack easily.
the O ring was a goof.
for assembly of aerospace or medical devices logging what assemblers do can help with quality assurance. its for hiring malicious people and recognizing them, or making it easy for them to comply with the rules and not break stuff.
the bigger cells are being used by tesla, donno if it makes sense for the tool... each part in the cell is stressed less... but heat build up can be an issue.
The bigger cells used by Tesla means more heat build up, because they are denser cells, the only reason to go bigger cells than 18650 is for more energy density at the cost of durability.
What do you mean by the thinner the foil the less cracks matter? Could you expand please?
@@IAlternateMyCapitals He phrased it badly. The thinner the gauge the less you need to worry about cracking and fracturing, because it can move and distort more easily following the movement (or vibration yadda yadda) of the surfaces it is attached to.
TL/DR It'll move and bend where a thicker gauge would crack and snap.
@@jamesfirth7795 Flippy flappy, no cracky.
The bigger individual battery cells may help as you can get more capacity in the same volume given we are only using 5 cells. The white stuff also helps prevent the cells from moving.
I have the older model also brushless with the half inch and quarter center. Same 18v battery but I have the bigger 4 amp hr batteries. Thing is fucking solid mine has been used and abused, many times left in the bed of my truck going threw car wash and rain and she still runs hand hits just as hard. Almost 3 years of abuse and she still goes very well. Only thing that I have to complain about is the batteries don't like to charge when it's super cold out. But they do hold a nice charge.
The 4 thou Cu is plenty skookum for that application. We design high current 18650 packs for the oil/gas industry and use 5 thou Ni 200/201 for cell connections.
It's not value engineering, it's just how most commercial 18650 packs are made.
you think the field is de-laminating already possibly cause you drooped it from 12 feet haha
I've been on the Bosch platform for and definitely agree that this line of machines is not top of the line, especially for the retail price, however I think you would really enjoy the build quality of the Swiss built Bosch tools such as their much older cordless tools and their high end jigsaws, they are some of the few machines I can consistently say I feel more confident in their durability than the HILTIs.
Cheers from Seattle!
I can't wait for you to get your hands on Walmarts new line of power tools!
They're just Ryobi/Ridgid in a different color.
Yes please do hyper tough tool lineup.
@@prototype3a they are a ton of fucks less cheaper m8
The chuckles when see these on clearance now in 2021.
The Bluetooth is a necessary stealth component to help bridge connectivity to other "Essential" devices. i.e. Dominion voting machines spread throughout the world in places like China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other 3rd world nations.
I have a Bosch router table but Bosch is about a 5th or 6th choice in my books. Ever since the brushes in my Dad's hammer drill wore down cocked sideways and ripped the commutator strips right out. That drill was from about 1977 and it didn't have very many hours on it when this happened in 1990. I have a Dewalt corded hammer drill that has bubbled the labels from heat, screwed thousand of screws and made hundreds of holes in concrete. After 22 years it's had the cord replaced once and that's it. Dewalt, Snapon, Makita, Commercial grade Black and Decker, Milwalkee, Old porter Cable are fairly good. Some of the old Ryobi was good too.
The new Milwaukee drivers have the bluetooth built in and it is for both tracking and controlling torque. My job switched over to them, comes in real handy for all the dull apprentices that like to run the impact right through the nut.
28:55 The Copper Strips double as a fusible link between each battery contact, so they use what ever guage suites the current rating.
I would have to disagree since the spot welds are the "weak point" electrically.
@@benbaselet2026 look at HBPowerwalls they have videos on the similar design strips but in Nickel not copper......
@@benbaselet2026 there *is* a thin section though? And the TPE is holding the copper tight to the terminal, the spot weld is probably carrying 5% of the current...
standing ovation for that James Burke's Connections mention. Criminally underrated and immensely entertaining show about how science and tech shaped this planet's surface
I like the bosch x-lock system grinders and also i saw that crapita is also copy-paste x-lock system now from bosch.
All the BOLTR's seem to confirm what I see on job sites and workshops here in Sweden. Bosch were quite popular here back in the days when they were still made in Germany. Nowadays it's Hilti first, Makita and Metabo in second place, third is a tossup between Hitachi and Festool (Festool of course for the fancier wood fairies). That is what I see on the job. Even the Ryobis seems to be more popular than Bosch not because of quality of course. Some companies seems to buy them for an apprentices first tool kit.
You’re getting soft in your old age. First time I’ve actually seen you carefully open a box. What happened to your mini saw?
gnapert maybe he had to return it 😂
Yeah man.. AvE, you changed..
😂
Well the first thing he did was throw them off a 12' ladder...
@@canadianboyee Maybe next time throw the BOX off the ladder, repeatedly, until it opens itself on the floor? 😁
@@DaddyBeanDaddyBean I would enjoy that
Really enjoyed watching this video! However I think it should be put into perspective as some aspects were mentioned that are bad while some were considered decent. The tool survived the drop test, mechanical parts were considered decent, battery interface was considered good, electric circuits also positive as there is a car fuse, other fuses and epoxy molded Platine (water: Dust protection?).
As mentioned below maybe the stator got bumped and delaminates during the fall, inside mold work is - at least in my opinion - rather a cosmetic issue, plastic ring on the bit mount might be worth reconsidering / spare tools are available though and seeing other options such as metal or rubber it should be considered that the environment is often oily / greasy thus posing other problems.
Battery packs have become relatively cheap: per amp hour you generally pay 10 euro here in Germany, if you want procore/ wireless charging it’s another 10-20 euro on top of that.
The impact driver is the smallest in the lineup (180NM - 650NM?). On promotions I’ve seen it as solo. Took without l-boxx and battery for 80-90 €. Obviously you can get much better built like the GDS 18V li HT. However for prosumers who don’t want to spend €300+ it’s a viable option.
I bought that kit about a year and a half ago as my first cordless impact and thought I was buying quality.
Boy it made work harder than it needed to be. My wife gave me an M18 compact for my birthday last week and it out out-torques that Bosch by a country mile
All I know is 2 1/2 months I have had this impact and Ive worked it relentlessly at work
(Journeyman plumber new const) and hasnt revealed problem 1 yet..holds its own & then some..I drill alot into wood and mix alot of mortar mix and Im telling you this thing does great..
I agree I've got quite the collection of Bosch tools and haven't had a single problem with anything.
AvE wondering if you can find some Maybe tools produced in Russia for Russian use and get one imported to compare to a consumer tool for NA etc...
they are absolute trash
Comparing tools from different countries would be really interesting. Assuming you can find some that aren't just made in china.
@@plsmuteyou lire te sparky brand ? My Bosch planer is made by them and work fine
I can't imagine the irritation of the mold maker digging the part out of the A side that many times before getting it to stay in the B side. Probably unloaded half a can of mold release out of pure frustration.
The Bluetooth adapter is really cool, you can download the BOSCH app, and change the tool from Right handed for RH people, to Left handed. Nice Bosch, other makers should have this.
So if you press the button using your left hand on a right handed tool it's not working or something?
Company I work for bought a dozen sets of these Bosch cordless tools for us last year, impacts, drills, jigsaws, grinders, lights... So far I don't think we've had any failiures... We smoked a ton of DeWalt 18 and 20v stuff though. And we abuse them, I swing 6.5" hole saws with the hammer drill and I've been known to drill through 6" beams with a 1.5" spade bit in the impact lol.... I still prefer the DeWalt drill and impact to the Bosch for torque and feel.. But the Bosch jigsaw is amazing, i liked it so much I went and bought a big plug in one for my shop
With lithium ion batteries the bigger the cell the longer it takes to discharge the longer it takes to discharge the longer the tool runs therefore the fewer times over the life of the tool you have to recharge the battery the less chance there is for the metallic filaments in the other things that happened in Lithium-ion batteries to occur to kill the battery. So bigger cell equals longer battery life for operation and longer battery life overall so yeah it's a good thing
It looks to me like the primary aim here is to distribute and mitigate heat buildup the copper passes the power better so generates less Heat and you get less resistance so the battery last longer that way and you get better available surge power to the 20 volt Max
21700 cells are monsters when it comes to amperage, well above the standard 18650.
Yeah but I believe he was questioning the copper interconnects between them, not the cells themselves.
@@RawDR he also questioned the use of the large cell, as you can put more smaller cells in the same space to get the amperage needed.
Yup, I believe the newer DeWalt 9/12Ah packs are moving to larger cells as well.
"I will play you the music of my people" *Ting Ting Ting*
“Carry your diapers in it”❌
“Take your ammo to the range” ❌
“Put yer weed in it”☑️
I'll put my weed in anything that it will fit in. AvE rocks
Anything glass and airtight! 👍
Perfect hiding place for that condom when a emergency comes up and you need one.😢
I've been using mine on a daily basis.... right at a year now....still running perfect....
Those bigger battery cells have a higher energy density than the 18650s. Read the white paper Tesla released on it a couple years ago. They are the ones leading the charge on rolling out the bigger battery cells for their own use. They are using the battery industry to build them to get the price down. you'll start seeing these bigger cells in more and more devices.
Ayeee ! Malaysian here !!! Love your vids been watching for years now
3:17 "The pulse width modulated of the driver and you can play the imperial march"...rofl!!
I get that reference.
"Câlisse de tabarnak, osti d'pâté chinois."
Ah, someone else who dislikes shepherd's pie.
C'est esti c'est chaud 😂
If these are using 21700 cells then they are totally worth increase in size. 21700 cell aka Tesla cells can be had in 5000mah capacity. I believe 18650s top out around 3000mah. 40% more capacity for only being 5mm longer and 3mm bigger diameter is huge.
That would make this pack a 5ah pack, this is smaller than many competitors 4ah packs.
I came for the drill, stayed for the sheer fascinating person this man is, Holy guacamole he can talk.
The coper plate is thin because protects the weld points, a thicker one with vibration is worse
The weld points that... don't stay welded?
I've got 2 pennies for ya boss, Tin Basher here, now a service tech. I've been using Bosch since I was a wee first-year slopping goo on joints. Got one of the earlier iterations of this toy 6 moons ago that I spin in my day-to-day. Thank frig my version doesn't have BT, and a shitty bottom light. (WTF)
Had it less than a month when she attempted flight from my 8' and lost a toenail in much the same fashion as yours. Also, that condom wrapper was ripped and slipped off mid stroke early in her career. Not that I miss it, better feel of what's surrounding you if you known what I mean.
Any who, there's my 2 cents and I think one must have been a Freedom coin by the way I'm rambling. Gotta love that exchange rate.
You can be 100% sure that at least 5 German engineers have independently checked and double and triple checked that those battery connectors are sufficient enough to deliver enough amps to satisfy the drill and the fuse in the drill and outlive even the reviewer, at the same time keeping cost down and in front of the competition.
but they haven't check that the big fecking hole in the middle of their impact wrench's anvil doesn't reduce the torque by half
Laying high in my bed, I hear this man rambling on and on. And it is awesome 😊
I could drink a beer with this guy
You just mentioned James Burke and "Connections". Sir, I tip my hat to you and my level of respect for you has gone up at least 2, maybe 3 more steps!
AvE, I learn so much from watching your videos. What I will do with that information, I have no idea but I love your videos.
14:04 "TS" -- initials???
I've solved the mystery, boys. AvE has been Taylor Swift all along!
is this the final proof we needed that AvE is ToT? clearly stands for tony stark
@@frogz It's like Jekyll & Hyde, he's ToT when he's sober, turns into AvE after a few beers
'Totally Skookum' ;D
Guess my presumption was incorrect: Totally Skookum
I think it's the battery he got from Tom Sachs.
Bigger batteries typically mean higher peak amps. If I were rich enough to gamble I would bet they out perform similar amp hour configurations with smaller cells for 'average' torque throughout the duty cycle. I'm sure the battery will die when you need it most but it will 'chouch till it friggin dies' if I got my technical lingo right.
"Bringing your ammo to the range, hide your weed in it" bro this is the second video I've seen from your channel and I'm hollering😂,love the stuff!
The copper being that thin is probably due to the difficulty in spot welding the copper -- any thicker and you probably risk punching through the battery case.
Short protection too? So the copper will blow before the cells go thermonuclear??
Not... exactly. Most of the heat is going to stay in the copper because... That's what copper does. It conducts.
The thicker the copper, the larger the spot weld you can do. To a point.
I also wonder about the flexibility, copper work hardens like Ave said but all of the robotic grade flexible sensor cables I have seen tend to have thin seemingly near dead soft copper (28 AWG 12-18 strands ) maybe the wide strip is for getting the proper surface area for the current and the thickness is also for allowing more flex cycling without failure. I also think you have an excellent and poignant thought about the spot welding, I have hear it takes a tremendous amount more power to spot weld copper compare to other metals in similar joints.
Well, according to Bosch they are laser welded.
Remember! The pirate paid a buccaneer for his piercings.
It was interesting to see inside this thing, so thanks for that, and for the amusing comentary. However your beefs seem to be minor and twatty - the pinched O ring, ok, the foil in the battery and the plastic release thing (and the bluetooth). The fundamentals of the unit - motor and impact mech - look robust and I feel encouraged to buy one, thanks again.
Every year that goes by, these things get worse. Sure it’s small stuff but that small stuff can bring your work to a grinding halt until you get some parts or whatever to fix it. Time is money. Get the metal parts where you need them and the plastic where it makes sense.
Dude you are a creative genius who is funny as hell. This is the best review I've seen.
Had a Bosch 18V 4 Amp Hour drill. Bouthg because it was the shortest available at the time so I could get stubby augers and drill between non standard close together ceiling joists. Had a lot of use but it fell apart after 5 years and fixing would have almost bought a whole new drill! Had a bare version of the matching impact driver that I was disappointed in from the start. Gave the driver, battery, and charger to a charity. Replaced the pair with a Milwaukee pack - vastly superior. Also superior to a friend's DeWalts. Love my small Bosch angle driver and my 12 volt 85mm circular saw is a bit flimsy but an excellent small tool - actually, I'm using it a lot - amazing how most cuts are 1" or less. But the drill and driver were not good.
*ave unboxes brand new tool
* immediately hurls it off the top of a 12ft ladder
"A treat especíal from the land of weinerschleiden and dirndls."
You've piqued my interest...keep going...
If you type "dirndl" instead of "durndl" into the gargler you might get better results using the jazz hands routine.
Bless you, sir. Never knew there was a proper name for those, other than "cleavage dresses"! Ahem.
As a german I can assure you that I do not have the slightest idea what a weinerschleiden is.
wienerschleiden is a synonym for synthetic lube.
@@Knallteute noch nie gehört, wo sagt man das?
That red ring looks awfully useful for getting smaller sockets to pop off
The plastic fins are a way of making a strong piece of casing that can also expose the battery directly to outside air helps for cooling but expose the battery to things that can bend or puncture them. Bigger battery because it has a bigger capacity and a lower internal rezistance which helps at extracting power from them more efficiently. I think they need them that way. Because the gauge of the motor wire coils looks like it will manage a lot of amps.
I have the same model, still works great. I also have Bosch tools and batteries from 2008 that still work great too. No regrets.
I have used the old model without Bluetooth for over 2 years and it works fine only thing is the red grip on the end came off but its metal underneath.
Those marks aren't to try and keep the part in the mould, it's to try and take it out. The finished surface(outside) is the cavity of the tooling, and in order to drive up parts per hour the moulders will have likely taken time away from cooling the part(which makes the part cling to the inside core) so they add those little marks to help demould it.
Old vid, I know...whatever. I thought that's what he said "won't release, so they added these lines"
11:42 actually a weld, removing material in the plastic part requires adding material to the mold.
Yeah, I was thinking that. It's a very fine/thin weld through!
0.004" is just about the same as a 3oz copper pour on a pcb. Guessing that the width is about half an inch, those copper tabs could easily pass 30 amps.
pretty sure the new generation of batteries bosch is running run much cooler, and those are not heat sinks they are structural reinforcements (but also makes the plastic thinner around the batteries so they can dissipate heat better.. as for the copper, sure looks like they had it tightly packed where vibration was not going to be an issue to work harden it.