No comments of my own, how about what the wife said instead? We watched in the living room: "does this guy know any other words" "how many more minutes in this video" "ugh I can't stand this guy" "I can understand why you like these videos"
I gotta laugh, I introduced my husband to AvE, he reminds me a lot of the family I grew up in. Lots of welders, machinists, linemen, electricians, etc who liked to teach you the real way things worked.
No chance AvE would ever make it to the big screen in my house. I occasionally try to tell her something funny from a vijayo, and just get a blank stare...
I have an old ‘70’s model that my grandfather gave me. I’ve been using it for twenty years or so, it’s great. I’m a full time carpenter so it’s got a lot miles.
Pretty much any tool from the '70s is gonna last you a real long time except for the obvious operator error. Hang onto it! You'll probably never find a better saw
I used to work at a Skil service center back in the mid 70's and we'd get wormdrive saws for repair all the time. The two most common repairs were bent/broken shoes and broken handles, usually caused by the saw hitting something hard after falling off a ten-story building. I'm thinking the current Skil's use a more flexible plastic for the handles so they will stand a better chance of surviving a drop. Some of the saws looked like they've been to hell and back, but just needed their brushes and oil changed with an occasional blade arbor bearing here and there.
AvE... I'd like to "nominate" a recent Canadian and new friend to receive this saw. Dimitry immigrated to Canukistan about 3 years ago from Ukraine. He trained as an astronomer only to discover upon graduation that the only people in the USSR who were looking up to the sky were KGB agents searching for US spy satellites. So... he toiled as an industrial mechanic until the disfunction and corruption in the former communist country prompted him to seek a better life for his wife and 2 young children. Upon settling in Canada he happily did labour work in a bread factory and cooked pizza at night, all the while perusing the "American dream"... uhhhh, even though he was in Canada. He was recently vetted by the "powers that be" and allowed to "challenge" the practical and theoretical qualifications for a journeyman millwright. He was tested, to the same standards as all journeymen, and received his "Red Seal" designation. He is working hard now toward building a good life for his 2 young daughters. He's grateful to this country for the freedom to work hard and be rewarded for your efforts. He doesn't have much yet but he still makes an effort to help others. He's a good man and I'm sure that any of your fans, subscribers and you would feel privileged to know him and call him a friend. He's not aware that I'm asking for him but, should you select him to receive this "gift", I know that he'll be infinitely grateful and will make very good use of this tool. If you choose him, I'll send you his name and address (to ship directly to him). Cheers... Michael (in Winnipeg, MB Canada)
If I had a vote, I’d vote for Dimitry. Think of it - a saw invented in America, manufactured in China (a communist country), given to a guy who emigrated from Ukraine (a former communist country) to Canada (a free and democratic country) that borders and is a neighbour to America (where the saw was originally invented and manufactured). It’s almost poetic!
I vote Dimitry as well. To be selfless enough to nominate a recipient is outstanding in my book! How can you not like the backstory either? Much more solid compared to the "gimme gimmes" that populate the cheap seats in the comments section...
I laughed, I cried, I learned a lot. I subscribed. Sent here by Essential Craftsman. Hats off to a wealth of manufacturing knowledge. I'll be watching, what a great time to be living.
You're right about longevity (At least on the old ones). My grandfather left me his 1950s skillsaw when he died. It's not the worm drive model. But I had it A-part since it hadn't been used in years to inspect everything and replace the grease and clean out any of the saw dust in it. Seemed pretty skookum. Put in a new DeWilt blade and I've been using it ever since... Works great.
Fun fact from Norway: Older carpenters often say "skilsag" when referring to a circular saw although the Norwegian word is actually "sirkelsag", because Skilsaw used to dominate the market for pro grade circular saws.
Same crap happened to Cannondale bicycles after that asshat bankrupted the company and sold off the pieces. I was working in a high volume bike shop at the time and while the base designs didn't change the sudden chineseium substitutions were nasty, threads all chowdered and jammed tight up with cuttings, cable lengths and spoke tension all over the place.... what was a very finely made brand flushed right down the ceramic siphon. Same thing with Converse shoes, my old USA pair next to the new Indonesian pair, clear difference in stitching (USA was even, straight, close, and tight verses the sloppy as an old pornstar Indo pair.) then the sole glue didn't last half as long on the indo pair. (wore the rubber clean through on the USA pair, Indo delaminated with much of the tread left)
Well as things go, apparently things don't have to move at all to another continent to get worse. I bought Chinese-made Fila sneakers 15 years ago, and then the same model also Chinese made again 3 years ago, and i think they've had them made there since early 90ies, and i know, it's not like i was particularly expecting either to be good, nor were they expensive but sometimes we buy things because... well just because. Well they felt just right for my feet and i liked the look, you know, plain, no huge contrasts or accents or anything, just white, and layered rather than molded sole, like they came from the 80ies or earlier. I wore the life out of the ones made back then, i wore them for a decade every other day. The ones that i got 3 years ago, got worn for a mere few weeks total, and a week ago they fell apart. Huge hole torn on both shoes in the same spot just from the flexing. I found the old shoes again and am wearing them now, and they aren't falling apart or anything, they just look worn. Somehow an old clip from the TV is stuck in my memory, about some manufacturer over here in Germany of something or other, maybe safes, i don't quite remember apart from welding being involved, who moved the production over to Poland, to one of these former ship building cities, and then the problems started, they couldn't keep up the quality, and attempts at restoring it failed, and it's not like there's any monumental difference between the two regions per se apart from a minor language barrier, Polish people did just fine welding ships, so wouldn't they do fine welding safes? And the on-site control is easy too, it's just an hour worth of travel away, maybe two. The clip was about him moving the production back to Germany to try to regain the quality. But i somehow doubt, now that all his old craftsmen are gone and the suppliers have reallocated their capacities, or gone altogether due to industry exodus, that he won't see the same issue again with no way to resolve it. These old craftsmen that grew up with the company just might be the ones that made the product worthwhile.
diamondflaw ....wow. That’s sad to hear. I used to collect knives in my youth. Haven’t for about 30 years. Sold my whole childhood collection on eBay a cpl of yrs ago. After reading what you wrote here, I think I’d cry if I handled a new Schrade.
There really wouldn't be many visible differences, other than those three retaining screws used to hold a flat plate instead of holding the bearing directly. All the other parts look exactly the same as they did twenty or thirty years ago. I seem to remember the field used to use lacquered string instead of zip ties, but the windings look the same, and the switch used to be metal, but the design hasn't really changed at all.
Carpenter/General Contractor for 25 yrs. Big fan of Makita but I have burned up & tossed away several Makita hypoid saws while my worm drive 70/77 Skill saws were always indestructible. I still had one that was 27 yrs old & going strong until it recently went away. (more about this to follow in the next paragraph) I can't speak for the construction of the new Mag 77 but the older models are skookum as hell. Oh yeah, by the way, I could sure use a new Mag 77 if you feel the warmth & need to send it my way. My divorce cost me all my tools including my worm drives.
Yeah well, I made my choices too. Perhaps I was a little if not a lot naive. I'm now happily bitter & cynical & a little bit wiser. I always thought miserable old men were entertaining (lots of great stories) & I am indeed becoming one. ; ) Cheers.
Christ I think I've watched 20 of your videos in a row My boyfriend is sick of me spamming him with UA-cam links But the world needs to know of the monument to man's hubris that was the Juicero
I showed my then girlfriend those Juicero vids. She's a mechanical engineer with about 10 years under her belt in the oil refining industry. She couldn't believe what she was seeing, and instantly recognised what sort of guy AvE is, as she actually made an effort during her career (unlike a lot of enginerds) to get out and speak with the 300 pound gorillas who actually did the work maintaining the plant. She always said technicians are more logical than engineers.
One of these worm drive monsters is what I learned to cut with as a teenager when I escaped the 90s beige box world of IT and first began working in construction. I have an F012HD77LA at home, and a much older model at work. The one at work has the sight glass for the oil level. It's a shame there's such a quality drop on the current version. Yes, they're way too much saw for most jobs, but like you'd said, it will last you a lifetime. While you still have the new one, it would be very interesting to see some of it compared side by side with an older model. Speaking of work, while I'd happily take the saw, I'd much rather you send me some of the next generation of young people who want careers in the building trades. I'm halfway through my career and I'm the youngest guy in the shop. I need the next round of hungover early 20-somethings to come in and learn stuff before all the old guys are gone.
OVRLXND I am a builder and carpenter in Australia and I haven't seen an apprentice for years on a jobsite ,just blokes around my age ,no new people learning the trade .
Hey my man you enjoy being the youngest guy on the job site for as long as you can. One day you're going to look around and all the old timers are going to be gone and then you're going to realize, You're The Old Timer! Both of my apprentices are journeyman now and they have apprentices of their own.
It's almost like the designers were given a challenge to build a unit without any circlips/snap rings, that might explain the three bolts used to hold the bearing. The one retaining ring you took off is known as a twist-on retaining ring or spiral ring and is typically only used in instances where you shouldn't ever need to take it off. I've seen those twist-on types used on circular mil-style connectors.
German Tool Reviews I've seen those rings on round head ratchets. Usually, whenever I take them off, I'll use locking pliers to hold one side and a hook to take it off.
There was a wise man from Kanuckitistan. Got him' a skilsaw and here's how it ran: With the power to chooch, But the feel of a mooch! Best flog it as quick as I can! Shouts out from Ireland!
Not to nitpick, but 60 cycles goes through zero 120 times per second - twice per cycle. That means you'll have less than 10 ms of possible arc time on the switch contacts - hence the typically lower ratings for D. C.
+tek413 Actually, diodes shunted across switch contacts are only helpful when switching an inductive load on DC. They clamp out any inductive "ringing", which helps squelch the arcing generated by the collapsing magnetic field. Likewise, a capacitor across the contacts, helps in a DC environment, by absorbing the initial current surge the instant that the contacts open. Hopefully, by the time the capacitor is charged, the contacts are far enough apart to no longer arc.
What’s interesting is that the previous model SHD77M Skilsaws did have epoxy on the copper winding connections to the commutator. I think that was during the Bosch ownership days, looks like Chevron cheaped-down the design. The stator also didn’t have any weird loose zap-straps on the windings, they were instead wrapped together at the ends with some wrapping, keeping them tight together but still allowing some room to breathe. As far as I can tell there also wasn’t some weird plastic bushing that the lower blade guard ran on, instead it rode on the metal outer bushing surface.
I took another look at the SHD77M’s, and it looks like they went through a bunch of revisions during its model run under the same model number. For instance, the commutator had epoxy on the windings on earlier versions, but not on later ones. The addition of the “zap straps” seem to also be a later revision on the stator. The plastic bushing for the guard to ride on was also introduced in the later versions, as well as the blade lock button moved from under the drain hole to the oil fill hole. The later SHD77M’s also were built/offered with magnesium feet vs the earlier aluminum versions. Looks like they were also re-geared from 4,800 RPM up to 5,300 RPM. It’s all a bit confusing as it’s all under the SHD77M model designation. So it’s hard to tell exactly what you got, until you either take it apart, or study the design diagrams. There’s a lot of similarities with the SPT77WM that AVE takes apart, but also some differences, depending on which revision of the SHD77M you got. Point is that not all the redesign stuff was the fault of Chevron. A lot of the revisions occurred during the Bosch/Skilsaw collaboration/ownership. I also think some of the problems AVE declares as “no fucking good”, aren’t major component problems. Besides maybe the no epoxy on the commutator, the rest aren’t performance related, but rather cosmetic. I think it’s still a great saw, but agree that earlier SHD77M versions had some pluses.
I feel like i'm taking a chemistry and engineering class by watching and listening between the lines of your review. Much appreciated intel on all things. You impart a large range of info
If you looked closer at the lockwasher, you would have seen that the washer had both inside and outside teeth, so the washer did engage both the casting and the fastener.
I am working with Italian industrial equipment worth more than 2 million euros. Bolts holding the bearings all over the place. And yes, this is least of the problems with this machine.
Your review was amazing. Company's should hire you to review their product before it goes into production. As a retired contractor I have a lot of 77's. They may have flaws but its the choice of most framers. The mag version really makes a difference at the end of the day. I was disappointed with one 77 I bought. After a short time it started making a rough sound and I opened the gear case and found they didn't put any lube in it. I'm sorry to see that they're built in China. I'm trying and its very hard to do, to not buy any thing from China. I would pay more to have it built in the US.
Here is an idea, so you know where guys modify a car with a kit, how about it ave, you pick one tool and you come up with a kit so where the manufacture cheapskate out, that is where you make it better kinda like pimp my tools and you skookumify the weak spots, better brushes, better bearing, metal handles replacing cheap plastic handles, brass bearing instead of plastic and stuff and stuff.
The cord is always too short so they get replaced with a cut up 'stension cord. Triggers will wear out after about 4 years of use, that's a lot of clicking, easy to replace. Soft brushes replaced after 8 years of everyday use (not bad). Rolled off 2 story roof onto rocks, straightened out the foot with a precision hammer. Harder plastic like glass reinforced would have cracked, these things fall off scaffolding / ladders on a yearly basis just for fun. Never changed the gear oil , or even bothered to see if any. 30 years later still running strong, can't complain. Too bad another job has gone to Chineesium factories thou. People don't value quality anymore.
@@bacilluscereus1299 Also, people buy too many different things for them all to be quality. If we scaled back our perceived need for possessions we could afford much nicer stuff, just have less of it.
I've had mine for over 20 years, and it's still running great, just change the case lube every half decade or so. It's been run hard cross cut, ripping, through concrete, and steel it does it ALL! It's taken a few rides off of buildings a few times, you know when the rookie trips over the cord, and pulls it off the roof. It needs to be on 3° to be square now, and I have to use a pencil under the table to get the full 45°, but it's still kicking ass, and taking names!
So sad, your Mag Skilsaw built in China. My 1988 HD77 Commemorative Edition Skilsaw was built in the USA. Been using my saw for heavy framing for almost 30 years. I will be using my saw for the next 30 years. Great video I will keep watching...Thanks
We have all of the plating specs on hand in our shop from our vendors. For a nice fit after machining and then plating, we restrict tolerances in a manner that aims for nominal after the plating goes on. In reply to the electroplating on the threaded bolt. Your videos are awesome and I've learned a boat load, please never stop making them!
SlammedHemi just like the old VW bugs. Car fires were sure interesting with the use of the magnesium block thy used back in the day. Water won't put it out. Class D extinguisher or lots of sand.
rabbitphobia yes sir it can,the worst was a old VW,we hit it and bam,Magnesium flare.Some Vehicles have it in different place,guess the steering column and assorted areas,had a few flare on us,it's kinda cool.
rabbitphobia they can get hot enough for sure. during my cpr and fire extinguisher refresher classes, heard lots of stories from firefighters/paramedics about some rich goof crashing his Porsche and the magnesium wheels just wouldn't stop burning.
I grew up with a Skil saw or rather a screaming banshee that would not die. Louder than any tool I have used before or since. Had a habit of pulling to the East. Was in the family for 40 years when a friend who borrowed it cut right through the cord and made it just barely not worth repairing. He was sorry but I could have hugged him.
I’ve had one of these since 1998. We used it to cut everything! Steel and rebar, lumber, concrete, bricks etc. it’s a brute, never gives up. This past November it finally burnt up. Excellent commercial do anything saw. Only drawback is the weight, pick it up for eight hours and the taco grabbers get tired.
Wrapped in a veneer of Americanism, stamped with a familiar brand name and then sold at a premium, but actually Made in China. Sounds familiar -- but will it fit my tiny hands? Let's find out!
Oh the memories of picking up the Skil 77 or the milwaukee worm drive, with the ground lug knocked off, standing on a wet floor, cutting wet lumber... the sparks... the spasm's... the pain. How many times did I drop one of them off the roof, or from the 2nd floor to the ground cause they zapped me senseless as I'm rolling trusses, or cutting birdmouths... We ended up switching to Makita hypoid drives when they came out, and what a difference. They didn't have the torque or the abuse rating of a Skil, but you could use one in a rain shower without being electrocuted. My skil 77 is still in service, and my son will likely get it, only slightly used, 30 years old, countless houses and remodels, the yards of concrete cut, the miles of wood cut, and roofs built... How many times did it fall off the roof onto a slab? How many miles did it roll around in the back of a pickup truck? How many times has the cord been replaced, from being sawn through by n00bs?
terry jenkins we ain't all lazy, buddy. and you can come do my job any time and tell me I'm overpaid... actually, we have minimum qualifications. I doubt you'd make it a week on a union site, boy.
It would be an honour to receive a tool that has been broken down and reviewed by AvE. The wife loves when I dismember tree carcasses. Keep the videos up AvE, love watching them up in camp.
CorollaGTSSRX youve got a point, I've got a hd77 thats probably 20yrs young and the plastic parts were chinsy then too specifficly the handle and the little air hole flap thing.
Thanks!!! You saved me from spending good money for bad tools!! Also your are like the best teacher ever! You not only take things apart you explain them in such a colorful way as to retain attention! In my opinion your review of any tool are the best and most fun on the whole web. Thanks again!
I picked up the Skilsaw sidewinder lefty saw about a year ago and I gotta say compared the the Makita and Dewalt circ saws I've used within the last few years its been pretty great, much more rigidly built than most of the competitors.
I will tell you here and now, I use a skilsaw everyday and the weight difference between aluminum vs magnesium is huge on this particular saw. I have the magnesium mag 77 and it's old but my boss has the aluminium skilsaw around the same age and I absolutely won't even touch his saw. It's heavier than all hell compared to mine.
18:58, I think the molding is done with a 2 couler press. The molding machine will inject the first part (red). Than the mold cools down. The mold will that change from size so it is ready for the black part. The black material can than be injected (the materials will than fulcanize to eachother). The mold opens and than the pins will push the the material out of the mold.
Hey man! My name is Oleg Velichko, and I'm a long-time viewer first time caller. Mr AvE sir I would LOVE to give this puppy a good home. Albeit a home in the freezing wastelands of Moscow, Russia, but a good home nonetheless.
Well i just tried to read the latest comment in a thick Russian accent, i think i'll need an ambulance. By the way, your pixies are too angry. But i guess at just 1.2kW you can find a transformer.
jkjklol123 . no. it doesn't even engage that because its too wide. Some 14 year old chinakid put it in wrong side down. They're supposel to engage with the tool's body.
I've been a wood butcher since before I had hair in my arm pits. We would have a worm drive and regular easy to make the levels for hip rooves. lots of nostalgia. would be happy to try not to cut my fingers off with that bad man.
AvE, do you think that the flexibility left in the handles by leaving out the glass fiber might prevent breakage when the carpenter drops it off the roofing joist onto the noggin of the foreman? That's the only "engineered" reason I can think of for leaving out the glass fiber (though we both know the $aving$ play a capital role in that decision)
As always..great video. I recently took apart a HF version of their worm drive saw--amazingly exact knockoff based on what I saw here... The HF unit weighs 21 lbs--and everything is steel---the new Skilsaw weighs in at 11 lbs. I would note that the hardened steel washer under the circ-clip holding on the blade guard is missing. I took it apart because there was looseness in the guard. The parts diagram lists it--and so does old Skilsaw parts--but just missing during assembly. so--found one at McMaster Carr--( lucky I live near one of their warehouses) --assembled--and now very solid. Overall--I kind of like the heaviness of the old skilsaw / new HF. I share your view on the "feel" of the new saw....
Really enjoy watching and learning. My 77 has been reliably making things that were too long too short for nigh onto 3 decades. I followed along with the video to, y'know, have a peek at her innards. Well she's all apart and in pieces like you showed, and, ummmm….. now what? Thanks for information in the land of advertising. Keep up the good work.
The man I learned the framing trade from swore by his skil saw. He even had the skookum as frig rafter hook front handle. Watching this made me think of him and miss him, since he passed away a couple years ago. Miss you Jim.
Love the videos. Do you think maybe you could get your hands on an original(25 + years old) Sill saw worm drive? I'm curious as hell what the changes have been over the years. I have an early 80's one that still chews up lumber like a champ, but I'm no mechanic or engineer, so I'd probably never get it back together again.
Way to be a *creep* ... Actually...Is there proof of any of these women expressing consent, for Their likenesses to be publicised ? Unless there is, and You can provide it, I would strongly advise to remove those. This content is voiding the UA-cam Community Guidelines (containing mildly sexual content, suggestive content and partial nudity) and so it has been reported... And on a side note: I'm not trying some kind of feminist or SJW or whatever dude (not even a female too)... I enjoy gazing upon attractive women too, BUT this is *UA-cam* not RedTube after all ... If You gotta be a creep, at least go to 4chan with it or something man
Name in the doobley doo. There's a reason the worm drive I see on my jobs sites are super old. It's cause the new ones are built like they used too. Keep up the good work AvE!
You know I really love what you do bud! Sometimes I have no freaking idea what you're talking about and I guess that means I'm learning something. I sure do take away a lot from your vijeo's and I really like the way you give no bullshit and take none either. A man's man if their ever was one. I definitely laugh my ass off and I learn a hell of a lot too! Great work as always AvE!!!
Is it possible to get a video on a Skilsaw 77 before they went to China? I know it'd be expensive but it would be nice to have a reference of something good.
Things are pretty much the same. I have owned about 10 of theses saws since the late seventies. Continually worse over the years but the field operation and balance of this saw is what has made it a standard. Have owned the De Walt and Makita as well. They just don't have the magic the 77 does.
Reagansmash I recently procured a skil bench grinder that would be 60/70s vintage from my grandfather. Feels and looks pretty skookum, haven't had time to use it / take it aparrrt. Don't see a lot of Skil stuff in Australia, pretty good quality???
I’m curious, I notice in a lot of your videos, you talk about being surprised that certain things aren’t “hardened” or softer than maybe it should be. Now, I don’t know much about steel, iron, tool steel, whatever; but if I wanted to, could I harden certain steel parts that were not previously, (preferably without destroying the part)? Quench it in oil or something? I really don’t know and would be interested if anyone knows. -Separate question: can you make “tool steel” from unhardened, or hardened, (not “tool steel”) steel? Or is it a completely different material. If anyone knows of any videos or info, I’d be interested for some good reads/watches. Thanks in advance!!
tool steels are completely different materials than mild steel, usually with different amounts of herbs and spices for different applications. as for hardening premade parts im sure its possible but might be an issue if dimensional accuracy is important
Looking under skirts and getting a whiff of jungle bush? Hilarious! Couldn't stop chuckling. Another great tool review. It seems, in the places where it counts the most, the new MAG 77 is pretty damned good-- although, I too wish the windings had been epoxied, and as everyone knows, Chinese ball bearings are clearly and demonstrably still at the lower end of the quality spectrum. Check out Essential Craftsman for a quick initial reaction to the new MAG 77 from a professional carpenter/house builder. As he says, time will tell on this new version of a quite venerated saw, the MAG 77. Think I'll buy one and try it out myself. And, AvE, as my Cajun friends say, You do funny!
Its because......MURICAA! "Land of the free, Home of the brave! Invadin' Countries, gettin' panties! Yer makin my blood boil! for fuk sake! just gimme ur Oil!"
Not depressing. People want to get cheap and spend less so its made cheap and you feel less. Its one of the effects of WW1 wherein human life was made cheap and expandable; everything else eventually followed suit.
so like you said this saw built America, faults are well known as most framers/carpenters have used this saw. I personally have 2 of these saws one my dad gave me( 20 years old) and a new one. Brushes go out, cord gets cut/wore out, trigger stops working and misc angle adjustments fasteners break or you lose them. Great saw though.
About the electro coated pin. Anything can be turned or ground after plating as long as it’s thick enough for your desired Dimension. We coat steel rolls all’s the time with copper and turn them down and rotary grind them.
Glad I found this channel. You take being a tool guy to a whole 'nother level. Im from Texas and get a kick outta the Canadian dialect. Enjoy it. I watch another channel called South main auto repair, and you sound a great deal like him lol.
Ave, apparently the Makita hypoid also might have a design flaw. The blade lock button is in a low enough position where it might be possible for oil to leak out if the button seal fails. There are a few reports on amazon about this happening so.... This skilsaw and the Dewalt DWS535 worm drive have their blade lock buttons positioned above the oil level so there isn't any possibility of leakage. So you might want to take apart the Dewalt before wholly recommending the Makita as the Dewalt might actually be a better saw. Just saying.
Thought I'd throw this out there about the trigger switch: I just resurrected a MAG-77. The nylon connector did not fail, the CONTACTS inside the switch wore down. I swapped it for the surprisingly-insanely-robust Eaton switch from a DeWalt DW359. The fit is a bit tight since the Eaton is big and fat so there is a tiny bit of space - about 3/64" - in the middle of the handle. Slight gap aside, it works excellently. Again, it was the contacts that failed on me, the connector was actually still intact, those contacts though, they are stupidly soft. By the way, the reason I had the switch to do this Frankensteining was because the DeWizzle slung two commutators while running; which subsequently proceeded to shred the brushes, holders and quite a few armature windings, so, it's history to say the least. Thank you for the video, sir! I'm new to the channel - been watching about 3-4 months now - and have learned an enormous amount over the last couple of months. Thanks for sharing what you know with others, I'm thinking about (not advertising here, just saying) starting a channel to give actually-useful advice to young men about real crap like dealing with tools and fixing stuff etc. Stuff I learned the hard way and so forth and crap you can't just learn from google. Thanks again for all the videos, I am definitely going to be a supporter, I'm hooked. I'm only 29, but I've been using power tools since I could walk, working full-time since age 12, so I've seen the suckers fail (and succeed as well) in just about every way possible. I'll be throwing you a line on the "doobley-doo" here and there. Thanks again for the great vids!- Preacher
So the magnesium is harder than the aluminium, does that mean its more brittle. When i'm 40 feet in the air, and take a fit of unjustified rage on a apprentice and the saw gets launched into orbit, will I be able to work after the apprentice gets back with the saw, or just toss the apprentice, but i'm scared with the density of his head he may cause a earthquake in china when he lands
No comments of my own, how about what the wife said instead?
We watched in the living room:
"does this guy know any other words" "how many more minutes in this video" "ugh I can't stand this guy"
"I can understand why you like these videos"
You got a keeper!
We have the same wife. Except mine says hes a child, and annoying.
I gotta laugh, I introduced my husband to AvE, he reminds me a lot of the family I grew up in. Lots of welders, machinists, linemen, electricians, etc who liked to teach you the real way things worked.
"Honey !?" > " Yes dear"> "whats a skookum choocher" Ya goota luv em eh
No chance AvE would ever make it to the big screen in my house. I occasionally try to tell her something funny from a vijayo, and just get a blank stare...
I have an old ‘70’s model that my grandfather gave me. I’ve been using it for twenty years or so, it’s great. I’m a full time carpenter so it’s got a lot miles.
Pretty much any tool from the '70s is gonna last you a real long time except for the obvious operator error. Hang onto it! You'll probably never find a better saw
You need to review an old Skill saw to compare how they have changed. There are substantial differences.
Great idea!
+John DeMaggio it is a good idea, however he explains at the beginning that they were more skookum
I love the new one I have it for like about 15moths
I own an original 10.25 in. Heavy and a beast. Says a.c. or d.c. power
When taking off circlips likely to go flying, tie a string through the middle to catch the little ‘kers.
I used to work at a Skil service center back in the mid 70's and we'd get wormdrive saws for repair all the time. The two most common repairs were bent/broken shoes and broken handles, usually caused by the saw hitting something hard after falling off a ten-story building. I'm thinking the current Skil's use a more flexible plastic for the handles so they will stand a better chance of surviving a drop. Some of the saws looked like they've been to hell and back, but just needed their brushes and oil changed with an occasional blade arbor bearing here and there.
AvE... I'd like to "nominate" a recent Canadian and new friend to receive this saw. Dimitry immigrated to Canukistan about 3 years ago from Ukraine. He trained as an astronomer only to discover upon graduation that the only people in the USSR who were looking up to the sky were KGB agents searching for US spy satellites. So... he toiled as an industrial mechanic until the disfunction and corruption in the former communist country prompted him to seek a better life for his wife and 2 young children. Upon settling in Canada he happily did labour work in a bread factory and cooked pizza at night, all the while perusing the "American dream"... uhhhh, even though he was in Canada. He was recently vetted by the "powers that be" and allowed to "challenge" the practical and theoretical qualifications for a journeyman millwright. He was tested, to the same standards as all journeymen, and received his "Red Seal" designation. He is working hard now toward building a good life for his 2 young daughters. He's grateful to this country for the freedom to work hard and be rewarded for your efforts. He doesn't have much yet but he still makes an effort to help others. He's a good man and I'm sure that any of your fans, subscribers and you would feel privileged to know him and call him a friend.
He's not aware that I'm asking for him but, should you select him to receive this "gift", I know that he'll be infinitely grateful and will make very good use of this tool.
If you choose him, I'll send you his name and address (to ship directly to him).
Cheers... Michael (in Winnipeg, MB Canada)
If I had a vote, I’d vote for Dimitry. Think of it - a saw invented in America, manufactured in China (a communist country), given to a guy who emigrated from Ukraine (a former communist country) to Canada (a free and democratic country) that borders and is a neighbour to America (where the saw was originally invented and manufactured). It’s almost poetic!
taurus dragon Nice!
Wes Hebert nice!
Id vote for Dimitry to have it too, cool story
I vote Dimitry as well. To be selfless enough to nominate a recipient is outstanding in my book! How can you not like the backstory either? Much more solid compared to the "gimme gimmes" that populate the cheap seats in the comments section...
I laughed, I cried, I learned a lot. I subscribed. Sent here by Essential Craftsman. Hats off to a wealth of manufacturing knowledge. I'll be watching, what a great time to be living.
Compulsive, informative viewing, enjoyed here in the UK ( not far from Sheffield, the bygone epicentre of the tool universe)
You're right about longevity (At least on the old ones). My grandfather left me his 1950s skillsaw when he died. It's not the worm drive model. But I had it A-part since it hadn't been used in years to inspect everything and replace the grease and clean out any of the saw dust in it. Seemed pretty skookum. Put in a new DeWilt blade and I've been using it ever since... Works great.
Fun fact from Norway: Older carpenters often say "skilsag" when referring to a circular saw although the Norwegian word is actually "sirkelsag", because Skilsaw used to dominate the market for pro grade circular saws.
Ha. Growing up. I thought all circular saws were Skilsaws. I had to learn to stop calling other name brand circular saws Skilsaw.
Got the same sort of situation in south africa
In the uk every vacuum cleaner is called a hoover
My dads 60 now and we have Milwaukee and dewalt saws and yet when we're doing something he asks me where the skilsaw is. At the store father.
Same crap happened to Cannondale bicycles after that asshat bankrupted the company and sold off the pieces. I was working in a high volume bike shop at the time and while the base designs didn't change the sudden chineseium substitutions were nasty, threads all chowdered and jammed tight up with cuttings, cable lengths and spoke tension all over the place.... what was a very finely made brand flushed right down the ceramic siphon. Same thing with Converse shoes, my old USA pair next to the new Indonesian pair, clear difference in stitching (USA was even, straight, close, and tight verses the sloppy as an old pornstar Indo pair.) then the sole glue didn't last half as long on the indo pair. (wore the rubber clean through on the USA pair, Indo delaminated with much of the tread left)
Well as things go, apparently things don't have to move at all to another continent to get worse. I bought Chinese-made Fila sneakers 15 years ago, and then the same model also Chinese made again 3 years ago, and i think they've had them made there since early 90ies, and i know, it's not like i was particularly expecting either to be good, nor were they expensive but sometimes we buy things because... well just because. Well they felt just right for my feet and i liked the look, you know, plain, no huge contrasts or accents or anything, just white, and layered rather than molded sole, like they came from the 80ies or earlier. I wore the life out of the ones made back then, i wore them for a decade every other day. The ones that i got 3 years ago, got worn for a mere few weeks total, and a week ago they fell apart. Huge hole torn on both shoes in the same spot just from the flexing. I found the old shoes again and am wearing them now, and they aren't falling apart or anything, they just look worn.
Somehow an old clip from the TV is stuck in my memory, about some manufacturer over here in Germany of something or other, maybe safes, i don't quite remember apart from welding being involved, who moved the production over to Poland, to one of these former ship building cities, and then the problems started, they couldn't keep up the quality, and attempts at restoring it failed, and it's not like there's any monumental difference between the two regions per se apart from a minor language barrier, Polish people did just fine welding ships, so wouldn't they do fine welding safes? And the on-site control is easy too, it's just an hour worth of travel away, maybe two. The clip was about him moving the production back to Germany to try to regain the quality. But i somehow doubt, now that all his old craftsmen are gone and the suppliers have reallocated their capacities, or gone altogether due to industry exodus, that he won't see the same issue again with no way to resolve it. These old craftsmen that grew up with the company just might be the ones that made the product worthwhile.
wolfedog99 my grandfather worked at the Converse Malden, MA factory and I used to go to the outlet there as a kid.
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diamondflaw ....wow. That’s sad to hear. I used to collect knives in my youth. Haven’t for about 30 years. Sold my whole childhood collection on eBay a cpl of yrs ago. After reading what you wrote here, I think I’d cry if I handled a new Schrade.
I can relate with Cannondale. The older US made ones are higher quality.
how about tearing down a vintage saw to compare?
There really wouldn't be many visible differences, other than those three retaining screws used to hold a flat plate instead of holding the bearing directly. All the other parts look exactly the same as they did twenty or thirty years ago. I seem to remember the field used to use lacquered string instead of zip ties, but the windings look the same, and the switch used to be metal, but the design hasn't really changed at all.
The proof in the puddin's in the eatin'
Do you have a vintage saw that you can donate to the cause?
I'd be willing to trade for my old Craftsman lol
Ask and ye shall... Done
Quote of the day: "It's like looking under some skirts and expecting something nice and then getting a big old whiff of jungle bush". Instant classic!
jimsiggy Frankly, that one actually scared me a bit...
jimsiggy i gotta remember that,lol
Best line in the video!
Anybody else here from Essential Craftsman's link?
Rouverius me, would have found my subscribed way here anyway, but said why not now?
Yes
Me too.
Me
yeah, this video autoplayed after, but i subscribed to AvE before EC existed. love them both!
Mmmmm...worm-drive.
Hand Tool Rescue
worm drive is noisy, runs hot and wastes energy but....bulletproof.
You should find an old beat up one and rescue it!
Carpenter/General Contractor for 25 yrs. Big fan of Makita but I have burned up & tossed away several Makita hypoid saws while my worm drive 70/77 Skill saws were always indestructible. I still had one that was 27 yrs old & going strong until it recently went away. (more about this to follow in the next paragraph) I can't speak for the construction of the new Mag 77 but the older models are skookum as hell.
Oh yeah, by the way, I could sure use a new Mag 77 if you feel the warmth & need to send it my way. My divorce cost me all my tools including my worm drives.
Yeah well, I made my choices too. Perhaps I was a little if not a lot naive. I'm now happily bitter & cynical & a little bit wiser. I always thought miserable old men were entertaining (lots of great stories) & I am indeed becoming one. ; ) Cheers.
Christ I think I've watched 20 of your videos in a row
My boyfriend is sick of me spamming him with UA-cam links
But the world needs to know of the monument to man's hubris that was the Juicero
Eleine Sun Ave and thunderfoot took him down.
I showed my then girlfriend those Juicero vids. She's a mechanical engineer with about 10 years under her belt in the oil refining industry. She couldn't believe what she was seeing, and instantly recognised what sort of guy AvE is, as she actually made an effort during her career (unlike a lot of enginerds) to get out and speak with the 300 pound gorillas who actually did the work maintaining the plant. She always said technicians are more logical than engineers.
A S C E N D E D W H I T E M A L E haha because we have to fix what the engineers approved for the field!
@@Patrick-857 He is an engineer! Ive done seen his iron ring! But... the older engineers get the less engineer-y they get.
@@SpiraSpiraSpira Oh OK.
One of these worm drive monsters is what I learned to cut with as a teenager when I escaped the 90s beige box world of IT and first began working in construction. I have an F012HD77LA at home, and a much older model at work. The one at work has the sight glass for the oil level. It's a shame there's such a quality drop on the current version. Yes, they're way too much saw for most jobs, but like you'd said, it will last you a lifetime. While you still have the new one, it would be very interesting to see some of it compared side by side with an older model.
Speaking of work, while I'd happily take the saw, I'd much rather you send me some of the next generation of young people who want careers in the building trades. I'm halfway through my career and I'm the youngest guy in the shop. I need the next round of hungover early 20-somethings to come in and learn stuff before all the old guys are gone.
OVRLXND I am a builder and carpenter in Australia and I haven't seen an apprentice for years on a jobsite ,just blokes around my age ,no new people learning the trade .
Hey my man you enjoy being the youngest guy on the job site for as long as you can. One day you're going to look around and all the old timers are going to be gone and then you're going to realize, You're The Old Timer! Both of my apprentices are journeyman now and they have apprentices of their own.
My wedding is in September, and the skill saw would match nicely with the onslaught of boxes from bed bath and beyond
Are you married now?😀
Condolences.
Still married? How's the saw?
best tool reviews ever. you win the internet. I'm glued to youtube watching this stuff.
Matt brah, I keep hoping AvE will tear down a Glock but I doubt it'll happen. 😄
We miss your operations. Come back pls.
Matt!
Project farm
It's almost like the designers were given a challenge to build a unit without any circlips/snap rings, that might explain the three bolts used to hold the bearing. The one retaining ring you took off is known as a twist-on retaining ring or spiral ring and is typically only used in instances where you shouldn't ever need to take it off. I've seen those twist-on types used on circular mil-style connectors.
German Tool Reviews I've seen those rings on round head ratchets. Usually, whenever I take them off, I'll use locking pliers to hold one side and a hook to take it off.
There was a wise man from Kanuckitistan.
Got him' a skilsaw and here's how it ran:
With the power to chooch,
But the feel of a mooch!
Best flog it as quick as I can!
Shouts out from Ireland!
Not to nitpick, but 60 cycles goes through zero 120 times per second - twice per cycle. That means you'll have less than 10 ms of possible arc time on the switch contacts - hence the typically lower ratings for D. C.
Super Geek this is true. that is why a decent diode shunt can be used to help the contacts on some applications
Super Geek as soon I heard it I scrolled down to see if anyone else had picked up on that slip 😂
+tek413 Actually, diodes shunted across switch contacts are only helpful when switching an inductive load on DC. They clamp out any inductive "ringing", which helps squelch the arcing generated by the collapsing magnetic field. Likewise, a capacitor across the contacts, helps in a DC environment, by absorbing the initial current surge the instant that the contacts open. Hopefully, by the time the capacitor is charged, the contacts are far enough apart to no longer arc.
should have opened the box with the makita saw
What’s interesting is that the previous model SHD77M Skilsaws did have epoxy on the copper winding connections to the commutator. I think that was during the Bosch ownership days, looks like Chevron cheaped-down the design. The stator also didn’t have any weird loose zap-straps on the windings, they were instead wrapped together at the ends with some wrapping, keeping them tight together but still allowing some room to breathe. As far as I can tell there also wasn’t some weird plastic bushing that the lower blade guard ran on, instead it rode on the metal outer bushing surface.
I took another look at the SHD77M’s, and it looks like they went through a bunch of revisions during its model run under the same model number. For instance, the commutator had epoxy on the windings on earlier versions, but not on later ones. The addition of the “zap straps” seem to also be a later revision on the stator. The plastic bushing for the guard to ride on was also introduced in the later versions, as well as the blade lock button moved from under the drain hole to the oil fill hole. The later SHD77M’s also were built/offered with magnesium feet vs the earlier aluminum versions. Looks like they were also re-geared from 4,800 RPM up to 5,300 RPM. It’s all a bit confusing as it’s all under the SHD77M model designation. So it’s hard to tell exactly what you got, until you either take it apart, or study the design diagrams.
There’s a lot of similarities with the SPT77WM that AVE takes apart, but also some differences, depending on which revision of the SHD77M you got. Point is that not all the redesign stuff was the fault of Chevron. A lot of the revisions occurred during the Bosch/Skilsaw collaboration/ownership.
I also think some of the problems AVE declares as “no fucking good”, aren’t major component problems. Besides maybe the no epoxy on the commutator, the rest aren’t performance related, but rather cosmetic. I think it’s still a great saw, but agree that earlier SHD77M versions had some pluses.
I wish I had more people giving gifts like that at my wedding. I had to buy my own!
maybe the retaining nut for the bronze gear is a left hand.
Brent Iannoli i was thinking the same. Ur probably right since its a part that turns
Like a weed eater
I feel like i'm taking a chemistry and engineering class by watching and listening between the lines of your review. Much appreciated intel on all things. You impart a large range of info
If you looked closer at the lockwasher, you would have seen that the washer had both inside and outside teeth, so the washer did engage both the casting and the fastener.
vederstein My thoughts exactly
I am working with Italian industrial equipment worth more than 2 million euros. Bolts holding the bearings all over the place.
And yes, this is least of the problems with this machine.
Whoa, that must be one big meatball maker
As an Italian, lol
Your review was amazing. Company's should hire you to review their product before it goes into production. As a retired contractor I have a lot of 77's. They may have flaws but its the choice of most framers. The mag version really makes a difference at the end of the day. I was disappointed with one 77 I bought. After a short time it started making a rough sound and I opened the gear case and found they didn't put any lube in it. I'm sorry to see that they're built in China. I'm trying and its very hard to do, to not buy any thing from China. I would pay more to have it built in the US.
So when is the ave brand of power tool,s coming to the shops I'd buy them in a heartbeat 👍🔧😀
Eoin Caldwell
Built so Skookum they'd be expensive as faq...but worth it.
You mean like Binford ?
Binford 😂 forgot about that brand, everything ran off a v8 more power 👍
Here is an idea, so you know where guys modify a car with a kit, how about it ave, you pick one tool and you come up with a kit so where the manufacture cheapskate out, that is where you make it better kinda like pimp my tools and you skookumify the weak spots, better brushes, better bearing, metal handles replacing cheap plastic handles, brass bearing instead of plastic and stuff and stuff.
Wil Hobbs Chooches good.
The cord is always too short so they get replaced with a cut up 'stension cord. Triggers will wear out after about 4 years of use, that's a lot of clicking, easy to replace. Soft brushes replaced after 8 years of everyday use (not bad). Rolled off 2 story roof onto rocks, straightened out the foot with a precision hammer. Harder plastic like glass reinforced would have cracked, these things fall off scaffolding / ladders on a yearly basis just for fun. Never changed the gear oil , or even bothered to see if any. 30 years later still running strong, can't complain. Too bad another job has gone to Chineesium factories thou. People don't value quality anymore.
@mattroski007 I don't think Mexico or Canada are that communist, even China barely is these days.
@@bacilluscereus1299 Also, people buy too many different things for them all to be quality. If we scaled back our perceived need for possessions we could afford much nicer stuff, just have less of it.
@mattroski007 Nafta had nothing to do with this.
@mattroski007 Democrats shafted us all
I've had mine for over 20 years, and it's still running great, just change the case lube every half decade or so. It's been run hard cross cut, ripping, through concrete, and steel it does it ALL! It's taken a few rides off of buildings a few times, you know when the rookie trips over the cord, and pulls it off the roof. It needs to be on 3° to be square now, and I have to use a pencil under the table to get the full 45°, but it's still kicking ass, and taking names!
Just clicked the caption button as the video ends - it translates the end as "keep your decking advice".
What do you have against decking advice?!
So sad, your Mag Skilsaw built in China. My 1988 HD77 Commemorative Edition Skilsaw was built in the USA. Been using my saw for heavy framing for almost 30 years. I will be using my saw for the next 30 years. Great video I will keep watching...Thanks
We have all of the plating specs on hand in our shop from our vendors. For a nice fit after machining and then plating, we restrict tolerances in a manner that aims for nominal after the plating goes on. In reply to the electroplating on the threaded bolt. Your videos are awesome and I've learned a boat load, please never stop making them!
Whenever I hear magnesium I instantly think about setting it on fire 🔥
SlammedHemi just like the old VW bugs. Car fires were sure interesting with the use of the magnesium block thy used back in the day. Water won't put it out. Class D extinguisher or lots of sand.
Is the heat from a car accident really hot enough to even light up Magnesium? I remember it being really hard to ignite.
Lore says about a store of magnesium tools that caught fire...
rabbitphobia yes sir it can,the worst was a old VW,we hit it and bam,Magnesium flare.Some Vehicles have it in different place,guess the steering column and assorted areas,had a few flare on us,it's kinda cool.
rabbitphobia they can get hot enough for sure. during my cpr and fire extinguisher refresher classes, heard lots of stories from firefighters/paramedics about some rich goof crashing his Porsche and the magnesium wheels just wouldn't stop burning.
I grew up with a Skil saw or rather a screaming banshee that would not die. Louder than any tool I have used before or since. Had a habit of pulling to the East. Was in the family for 40 years when a friend who borrowed it cut right through the cord and made it just barely not worth repairing. He was sorry but I could have hugged him.
I love how much way over in depth you go for your review, I never would have read the cable or looked at the specific metallurgy
Please do a video lighting the base on fire lol
DIY Builds this isn't king of random.
I got a spot under the bench for a gooder saw.
brian hilligoss then go buy one.
I guarantee the camera won't focus on that no matter how much cursing is involved!
The camera has a "focus on fucks" feature. Not recommended at the drive in movies.
A BOX CUTTER? Somebody get this man a circular saw!
I’ve had one of these since 1998. We used it to cut everything! Steel and rebar, lumber, concrete, bricks etc. it’s a brute, never gives up. This past November it finally burnt up. Excellent commercial do anything saw. Only drawback is the weight, pick it up for eight hours and the taco grabbers get tired.
I'm actually more impressed with the tool after your video even though you're not haha. I was expecting shit now I might buy one.
Thats part of the point in these vids with the electric vocabulary and encyclopedia Britannia symbolic and eccentric reviews
I have an older grey one that’s built much better. Had it 13 years and still strong with any problems.
Wrapped in a veneer of Americanism, stamped with a familiar brand name and then sold at a premium, but actually Made in China. Sounds familiar -- but will it fit my tiny hands? Let's find out!
Perhaps flex in the clam shell means it's less likely to CRACK if it gets dropped or stressed?
19:20 We want our tool to always be stiff and rigid, but some things just aint what they used to be
"Skill not actually required" . Keep it up AvE :D
Oh the memories of picking up the Skil 77 or the milwaukee worm drive, with the ground lug knocked off, standing on a wet floor, cutting wet lumber... the sparks... the spasm's... the pain. How many times did I drop one of them off the roof, or from the 2nd floor to the ground cause they zapped me senseless as I'm rolling trusses, or cutting birdmouths... We ended up switching to Makita hypoid drives when they came out, and what a difference. They didn't have the torque or the abuse rating of a Skil, but you could use one in a rain shower without being electrocuted. My skil 77 is still in service, and my son will likely get it, only slightly used, 30 years old, countless houses and remodels, the yards of concrete cut, the miles of wood cut, and roofs built... How many times did it fall off the roof onto a slab? How many miles did it roll around in the back of a pickup truck? How many times has the cord been replaced, from being sawn through by n00bs?
What the fuck was that unboxing. Where was the aluminium tape and arc welder AvE..
1:12 "wut."
Magnesium burns....he didn't want to burn the shop down
only in powder/flake form. A block of it doesnt just explode.
it was a joke...
Blocks burn good! Empty a road flare on the bits and touch her off. Big, big glowage!
I've pulled some skil items apart nowadays, it's sad what they've fallen to vs the oldschool ones. Of course, that's almost the same with everything.
Korium well when the gooberment pushes high taxes and regulations and lazy ass union workers that there worth $100,000 an hour this is what happens
terry jenkins Did you just bang out random thoughts on your keyboard as they popped into your head...
AMD1 but it's true!
and some greedy ceos
terry jenkins we ain't all lazy, buddy. and you can come do my job any time and tell me I'm overpaid... actually, we have minimum qualifications. I doubt you'd make it a week on a union site, boy.
It would be an honour to receive a tool that has been broken down and reviewed by AvE. The wife loves when I dismember tree carcasses. Keep the videos up AvE, love watching them up in camp.
How many of those "not good atall" features are original from when it was first produced? Could it just be unevolved?
CorollaGTSSRX youve got a point, I've got a hd77 thats probably 20yrs young and the plastic parts were chinsy then too specifficly the handle and the little air hole flap thing.
I've been thinking about getting one of these. Good timing.
Daniel Whisenhunt I bought the Ridgid version I love mine use it on the job site everyday
You should look at the straight flush saw.
Daniel Whisenhunt bosch one I got is decent.
I've got the mag makita hypoid. Do yourself a favour and get that one instead. Skookum as fuck.
Thanks!!! You saved me from spending good money for bad tools!! Also your are like the best teacher ever! You not only take things apart you explain them in such a colorful way as to retain attention! In my opinion your review of any tool are the best and most fun on the whole web. Thanks again!
Hey AvE
If I get the Magnesium Skilsaw...I could finally get divorced cos he ain't got one !!!!!!
:-)
I looked at this saw and the Makita Hypoid gear w/ magnesium body and went with the Makita. It just felt better and has been a great saw.
I got a worm drive Skilsaw back in 1975 when I was doing so much construction work.
Still have it, still use it. Just not so very often any more.
why do they have to write magnesium on magnesium
Because MAGNESIUM!
Because it would be a lie if they write aluminium?
I wonder if vinegar can read
so's you don't accidentally set fire to it and blind everyone within a 50 mile radius of the shop.
So that you don't have to say "It's like some sort of... MAGNESIUM!"
I think AC current passes zero 120 times per second, not 60. Twice per period, once on the way down and again on the way up.
Good point Douglas!
I picked up the Skilsaw sidewinder lefty saw about a year ago and I gotta say compared the the Makita and Dewalt circ saws I've used within the last few years its been pretty great, much more rigidly built than most of the competitors.
I will tell you here and now, I use a skilsaw everyday and the weight difference between aluminum vs magnesium is huge on this particular saw. I have the magnesium mag 77 and it's old but my boss has the aluminium skilsaw around the same age and I absolutely won't even touch his saw. It's heavier than all hell compared to mine.
I've got an early 80s model - about as old as I am - I use with a diamond blade to cut concrete. Still kicking
18:58, I think the molding is done with a 2 couler press. The molding machine will inject the first part (red). Than the mold cools down. The mold will that change from size so it is ready for the black part. The black material can than be injected (the materials will than fulcanize to eachother). The mold opens and than the pins will push the the material out of the mold.
AVE do a tear down of the DWE402, Dewalts new 3 1/2 inch angle grinder.
Hey man! My name is Oleg Velichko, and I'm a long-time viewer first time caller. Mr AvE sir I would LOVE to give this puppy a good home. Albeit a home in the freezing wastelands of Moscow, Russia, but a good home nonetheless.
Oleg Velichko you speak really good English for being Russian lol
Nathan, you haven't seen the KGB, apologies, FSB spies. Oh wait, maybe you have now.
Hey there Nathan! 11 years in HOTLANTA, Jaw-jah will that to ya! :)
Well i just tried to read the latest comment in a thick Russian accent, i think i'll need an ambulance.
By the way, your pixies are too angry. But i guess at just 1.2kW you can find a transformer.
I have never seen a more comprehensive review of anything. Excellent.
great video, I Have an old built in the USA worm drive, you can tear it apart and compare?
Thomas O'Brien that I think is a noble cause, and I appreachiate you offering it as a fellow watcher
The lock washers have teeth on the inside circumference to engage the fastener no?
jkjklol123 . no. it doesn't even engage that because its too wide. Some 14 year old chinakid put it in wrong side down. They're supposel to engage with the tool's body.
13:00 There are actually innards and outwards teeth on that worsher
You're wrong. Look again.
I "saw" the inside teeth as well
the teeth just flatten out. and for it to lock it would have to dig into the bolt and the tool so the teeth would need to go both ways.
I would love to get my hands on this saw. I did a review for the ridgid worm drive and loved it. I would think this would be the same
because of this review, and the previous makita hypoid review i went and bought the makita instead
Now that was a 'Tool Review' worth watching. : )
Thanks.
Being precious about my tools I cry every time I see you reach for your file. You crack me up - I now have a whole new vocabulary at my disposal.
I've been a wood butcher since before I had hair in my arm pits. We would have a worm drive and regular easy to make the levels for hip rooves. lots of nostalgia. would be happy to try not to cut my fingers off with that bad man.
Aaron Woods you monster!Electronically or mechnically manipulating wood carcass i may ask?
AvE, do you think that the flexibility left in the handles by leaving out the glass fiber might prevent breakage when the carpenter drops it off the roofing joist onto the noggin of the foreman? That's the only "engineered" reason I can think of for leaving out the glass fiber (though we both know the $aving$ play a capital role in that decision)
As always..great video. I recently took apart a HF version of their worm drive saw--amazingly exact knockoff based on what I saw here...
The HF unit weighs 21 lbs--and everything is steel---the new Skilsaw weighs in at 11 lbs. I would note that the hardened steel washer under the circ-clip holding on the blade guard is missing. I took it apart because there was looseness in the guard. The parts diagram lists it--and so does old Skilsaw parts--but just missing during assembly. so--found one at McMaster Carr--( lucky I live near one of their warehouses) --assembled--and now very solid. Overall--I kind of like the heaviness of the old skilsaw / new HF. I share your view on the "feel" of the new saw....
Really enjoy watching and learning.
My 77 has been reliably making things that were too long too short for nigh onto 3 decades. I followed along with the video to, y'know, have a peek at her innards. Well she's all apart and in pieces like you showed, and, ummmm….. now what?
Thanks for information in the land of advertising. Keep up the good work.
The old 77s are still hard to beat :) This is the "new and improved-ish" version
This is at least the 2nd time I've heard you say this. 60hz AC passes through zero 120 times per second not 60
@@taunokekkonen5733 these power tools run on domestic 2 phase though, so surely 120? Isn't 3 phase usually industrial?
The man I learned the framing trade from swore by his skil saw. He even had the skookum as frig rafter hook front handle. Watching this made me think of him and miss him, since he passed away a couple years ago. Miss you Jim.
Love the videos. Do you think maybe you could get your hands on an original(25 + years old) Sill saw worm drive? I'm curious as hell what the changes have been over the years. I have an early 80's one that still chews up lumber like a champ, but I'm no mechanic or engineer, so I'd probably never get it back together again.
30 minutes of Boltr? I came immediately..
Kbizzle82 you probably will after watching the sexy young woman I recorded in Walmart the other day go check her out on my channel
Way to be a *creep* ...
Actually...Is there proof of any of these women expressing consent, for Their likenesses to be publicised ? Unless there is, and You can provide it, I would strongly advise to remove those. This content is voiding the UA-cam Community Guidelines (containing mildly sexual content, suggestive content and partial nudity) and so it has been reported...
And on a side note: I'm not trying some kind of feminist or SJW or whatever dude (not even a female too)... I enjoy gazing upon attractive women too, BUT this is *UA-cam* not RedTube after all ... If You gotta be a creep, at least go to 4chan with it or something man
@@tabol96 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic
Name in the doobley doo.
There's a reason the worm drive I see on my jobs sites are super old. It's cause the new ones are built like they used too.
Keep up the good work AvE!
You know I really love what you do bud! Sometimes I have no freaking idea what you're talking about and I guess that means I'm learning something. I sure do take away a lot from your vijeo's and I really like the way you give no bullshit and take none either. A man's man if their ever was one. I definitely laugh my ass off and I learn a hell of a lot too! Great work as always AvE!!!
Is it possible to get a video on a Skilsaw 77 before they went to China? I know it'd be expensive but it would be nice to have a reference of something good.
Reagansmash the essential craftsman youtube has one or two of those I would bet.
Kevin Schneider our other sane uncle, who is as cool as ave. I bet as brothers they would make awesome tree forts with real cannons
Things are pretty much the same. I have owned about 10 of theses saws since the late seventies. Continually worse over the years but the field operation and balance of this saw is what has made it a standard. Have owned the De Walt and Makita as well. They just don't have the magic the 77 does.
Buy one on ebay
Reagansmash I recently procured a skil bench grinder that would be 60/70s vintage from my grandfather. Feels and looks pretty skookum, haven't had time to use it / take it aparrrt. Don't see a lot of Skil stuff in Australia, pretty good quality???
I am a union carpenter and use this saw everyday under harsh conditions.
One of the best saws on the market..
I’m curious, I notice in a lot of your videos, you talk about being surprised that certain things aren’t “hardened” or softer than maybe it should be.
Now, I don’t know much about steel, iron, tool steel, whatever; but if I wanted to, could I harden certain steel parts that were not previously, (preferably without destroying the part)? Quench it in oil or something? I really don’t know and would be interested if anyone knows.
-Separate question: can you make “tool steel” from unhardened, or hardened, (not “tool steel”) steel? Or is it a completely different material. If anyone knows of any videos or info, I’d be interested for some good reads/watches. Thanks in advance!!
tool steels are completely different materials than mild steel, usually with different amounts of herbs and spices for different applications. as for hardening premade parts im sure its possible but might be an issue if dimensional accuracy is important
Looking under skirts and getting a whiff of jungle bush? Hilarious! Couldn't stop chuckling. Another great tool review. It seems, in the places where it counts the most, the new MAG 77 is pretty damned good-- although, I too wish the windings had been epoxied, and as everyone knows, Chinese ball bearings are clearly and demonstrably still at the lower end of the quality spectrum. Check out Essential Craftsman for a quick initial reaction to the new MAG 77 from a professional carpenter/house builder. As he says, time will tell on this new version of a quite venerated saw, the MAG 77. Think I'll buy one and try it out myself. And, AvE, as my Cajun friends say, You do funny!
Working in manufacturing and tech I appreciate these videos.
you bought that flag just for that gag didn't you....
Its because......MURICAA!
"Land of the free, Home of the brave! Invadin' Countries, gettin' panties! Yer makin my blood boil! for fuk sake! just gimme ur Oil!"
bule bule invade? you sir, have a brain as good as your jokes. is it ok?sure! but its no skookum choocher!
the "made in China" flag
actually that flag is a good one , not a shitty stamped
I'd like the saw, I'd trade you for a vintage Hilti DX100L that you could do a BOLTR on. PM me!
The sad thing is that American flag is most likely made in China too.
Depressing.
Ryan Hodges actually the full size flags are usually made in America, I always check before buying one.
Not depressing. People want to get cheap and spend less so its made cheap and you feel less. Its one of the effects of WW1 wherein human life was made cheap and expandable; everything else eventually followed suit.
The beauty of American industry. Gotta love it.
I love the way you dissect and analyze. You never cease to amaze.
so like you said this saw built America, faults are well known as most framers/carpenters have used this saw. I personally have 2 of these saws one my dad gave me( 20 years old) and a new one. Brushes go out, cord gets cut/wore out, trigger stops working and misc angle adjustments fasteners break or you lose them. Great saw though.
"whiff of jungle bush" best line
That was a classic
About the electro coated pin. Anything can be turned or ground after plating as long as it’s thick enough for your desired Dimension. We coat steel rolls all’s the time with copper and turn them down and rotary grind them.
But can this tool rebuild a country?
I'd love to find out if it works for me (aka please send tool to replace my non-existing one)
Yeah srsly, I really need to get myself a saw.... xD
Seeing as I found one for $80 US, she'll do. Thank you Homeless Despot.
Glad I found this channel. You take being a tool guy to a whole 'nother level. Im from Texas and get a kick outta the Canadian dialect. Enjoy it. I watch another channel called South main auto repair, and you sound a great deal like him lol.
Magnesium you say... set... set it on fire
Ave, apparently the Makita hypoid also might have a design flaw. The blade lock button is in a low enough position where it might be possible for oil to leak out if the button seal fails. There are a few reports on amazon about this happening so.... This skilsaw and the Dewalt DWS535 worm drive have their blade lock buttons positioned above the oil level so there isn't any possibility of leakage. So you might want to take apart the Dewalt before wholly recommending the Makita as the Dewalt might actually be a better saw. Just saying.
Thought I'd throw this out there about the trigger switch: I just resurrected a MAG-77. The nylon connector did not fail, the CONTACTS inside the switch wore down. I swapped it for the surprisingly-insanely-robust Eaton switch from a DeWalt DW359. The fit is a bit tight since the Eaton is big and fat so there is a tiny bit of space - about 3/64" - in the middle of the handle. Slight gap aside, it works excellently. Again, it was the contacts that failed on me, the connector was actually still intact, those contacts though, they are stupidly soft.
By the way, the reason I had the switch to do this Frankensteining was because the DeWizzle slung two commutators while running; which subsequently proceeded to shred the brushes, holders and quite a few armature windings, so, it's history to say the least.
Thank you for the video, sir! I'm new to the channel - been watching about 3-4 months now - and have learned an enormous amount over the last couple of months. Thanks for sharing what you know with others, I'm thinking about (not advertising here, just saying) starting a channel to give actually-useful advice to young men about real crap like dealing with tools and fixing stuff etc. Stuff I learned the hard way and so forth and crap you can't just learn from google. Thanks again for all the videos, I am definitely going to be a supporter, I'm hooked. I'm only 29, but I've been using power tools since I could walk, working full-time since age 12, so I've seen the suckers fail (and succeed as well) in just about every way possible. I'll be throwing you a line on the "doobley-doo" here and there. Thanks again for the great vids!- Preacher
So the magnesium is harder than the aluminium, does that mean its more brittle. When i'm 40 feet in the air, and take a fit of unjustified rage on a apprentice and the saw gets launched into orbit, will I be able to work after the apprentice gets back with the saw, or just toss the apprentice, but i'm scared with the density of his head he may cause a earthquake in china when he lands