BOLTR: METABO GRINDER. MADE IN GERMANY
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- We have an inside look at the $300 Metabo Grinder. Some skookum parts and some questionable parts, but they have electronics on board that protects the grinder from abuse. This is a special thin head, pancake model that will allow you to get into tighter spots that a Makita, Dewalt or Fein grinder (check out previous BOLTR episodes for details). Check out THIS OLD TONY's channel! • Building a Vortex Tube
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I just imagine conference room at Metabo full of suits watching this with someone translating, it would be hilarious.
"Did he just refer to our high quality cable as the 'pokey bit?' 200 lbs gorilla?"
was ist 'skookum'?
I'm glad you're featuring ThisOldTony, one of my favorite youtubers for sure. Some real machining porn along with a good dose of humor.
that guard detent doesn't have much meat for the screws, but it has those little legs that fit in the cast metal part under it. Seems like that's going to take all your force rather than the screws.
Ave: "wow, that's a real soft elastomer, elastomer meter..."
The rest of the world: yeah? Looks like rubber to me
My Makita 115 mm grinder is in it's 15 year, I don't cane it everyday but it has lasted well.
To be fair: A lot of that money is going into the flat design. A normal Metabo grinder with 900W is around 125€ (~185CAD) in Germany.
The weak spot you mention at 16:20 isn't one. The force isn't held by the screws but the feet that are seated into the housing.
The sour drop for me is the shock absorber in the coupling. Wouldn't trust that thing and I won't buy one although I wanted to.
So thanks, you saved me some euros.
FINALLY. A FRIGGIN' METABO GRINDER VIDEO.
Incredibly thorough review. Thank you.
I wonder if there is a huge difference between older models and anythin post the Hitachi buyout? Shame if so, can only wonder. It's not like the Hilti DG150 is cheap and I was hoping Metabo's RS17 could play substitute for a while. Damn
I like the look of that long reach around on that Metabo but I prefer the Mikita all day long.
Another win for humble team Japan.
Currently living in Germany. Install kitchens for work. Metabo here is the "Ryobi" of tools in Germany !
What's the best?
Festool and Bosch of which there are 2 types, theres "blue" Bosch which is considered proffesional and "green" Bosch which is geared towards the homeowner. All of our work vehicles have Festool. Sadly Black and Decker is big here as well. Then there is Einhell, don't know if it's available in the states. www.einhell.com/com_en.html, Can get Milwaukee but havn't seen anyone here with it.
This you have to check out. Dewalt(as well as other manufacturers sell a combo mitre/table saw. You actually flip the saw over and you have a table saw attached to it./www.amazon.de/DEWALT-DW743N-QS-Tisch-Kapp-Gehrungsäge-Paralellansch/dp/B0013LNADO/ref=sr_1_28?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1487605865&sr=1-28&keywords=dewalt
I was actually dissapointed because I thought that Germans were the king of tools but it isn't anymore. We have access to better tools at cheaper prices. Bosch tools cost almost twice as much here as back in the states. Other weird thing is the fences on the Mitre saws are like a measly 2" weird stuff, but all the houses I have worked in (90%) don't have baseboard and whatever crown there is is very small. Crowns we use on kitchen cabinets are already cut to size and come finished with mitres in place
mark hilken
well metabo is definetly better than bosch green
@@markhilken7026 Milfuckie u get in OBI, B&D also.
Bosch blue is considered pro but not too much, green is home tool.
Einhell, Festool, Fein still good as AEG...
All combo mitre/table is shity
Another great review, can't wait for the next test.
Those stake on connections with the ring only reasonbi could see that is for switch replacement cause I see those wires break all the time on makitas which the switch on the 6 inch rat tail the wires break often as well as the switch in generalb
@ 7:16 you can't melt a thermosetting plastic, I think you mean a thermoplastic which are injection moulded, they can be remelted and reprocessed.
Would it be most efficient to use the maximum amount of heat dissipation, like to keep it always at a very cool temperature? Is it just price management to let it get hot? Or is there some reason why you wouldn't want to over-cool a tool?
Fnar fnar he said "big gland end"
But seriously good job as always
Did AvE say the "glans end of the tool" ? lol
hmmm something tells me that not all Makita grinders have forged steel gears, I have a feeling that maybe the 4"- 5" AJS Variable speed have forged gears, the 7" - 9" ones have forged steel gears specially the one I own is still in production and it has all aluminum body except for the handle. Now on another note I also work tons with the 4" Makita grinders, at price point of $50 for the grinder,case and some abrasive wheels included I honestly doubt that the 4" grinder has forged steel gears, most likely they are powder steel and the MIM molded.... Funny thing is and not sure how Makita does it, but the 4" grinder last me with years and seem they don't die, the only thing that dies first is the switch in the first 3-4 years and not worth it replacing it because by the time I order it, pay shipping its close to $25...... I just buy another Makita for $50, end of story.
can your take apart the milwaukee m18 brushless grinder?
The Germans will never be able to match the thrill of using a Harbor freight tool! The raw fear as you move your hands back away from the gathering heat and the "Jack in the box" anticipation of what could be coming at you at any time. Sparks , parts, flames. It's an extreme sport for the poor. Waiting too long to bring your tool to failure is emasculating.
...aaaand thats where you are wrong. We got the 7 € specials from the Baumarkt with now name on them at all. For those, the failure mode usually is "All of it, at once".
You know we have Lidl and Aldi where they sell dirt cheap tools
Nothing in the world quite as satisfyingly chintzy as picking up your power tools at a German grocery mart :D
@@noobgamer-qb3gq Aldi sells cheapo tools in Germany? That's hilarious. Here in Murica' Aldi is where you go to buy cheap food from brands you've never heard of lol. They even have off brand fake craft beer.
That is too fookin funnay!
Expect to hear from my lawyers.... they love your BOLTRs too!
This Old Tony what?
This Old Tony is the intermission.
This Old Tony I b. I b. B b. Bob. Bob bb. B. B
Sorry I sneezed and it was typing for me
This old Tony what's up man. You got a great channel too.
Metabo Angle Grinder’s gear drive, uses Elkalub (Chemie-Tecknik) brand, GLG 16/N00 “Special Grease”
It's a Lithium ‘Soap’ Grease with a Dropping Point minimum of 170 degrees Centigrade.
I'm not even a home gamer and I'm definitely not a professional I just watch these videos because the they're so god damn interesting and this guy is hilarious
hilarious he is
Same. Also you can learn a lil sumsum.
I'm not much of a metalworking guy (I'm one of those sadists who enjoys manipulating tree carcasses), but I love AvE's videos. The dude's equal parts interesting and hilarious. I've definitely learned a lot about metal, engineering, electronics, geology, and what makes something super skookum just from watching his stuff.
I'm with you. I help my buddy do some renovation work here and there, but I don't do it on a weekly basis. But I just love to see how this stuff is built and have it explained by someone who knows what the hell they are talking about who is also hilarious.
I'm going to log his quips for future use, if I can remember them all.
Like a German virgin - gudenteit! LOL
+AvE I used to work at a sintering plant. If you feel like maybe mentioning that these sintered parts are pressed, removed from the mold and then cooked, that'd be cool. I bet a lot of people who watch your channel may be under the impression that the parts are cooked while under pressure which simply isn't the case. Also some parts go through a sizing press after they've been cooked to further meet very stringent specs before leaving the plant. We are talking presses made in Germany that put down over a million pounds of force on a part that is maybe 6-7 square inches of surface area.
You are correct. Until reading this I was under the impression it worked that way. Thanks for the clarificatipn
fuck. i love your videos. but sometimes can you just say " its a good un" or "its a bad un" at the start? so i can order the tool online , and then watch your video while my wife beats me for spending money? two birds, you know?
I don't think that would really be the best way to do it. because with the downfalls it has, some things are better than the makita. it just depends on how you use it.
Or you just skip the vigeo to the last 2 minutes
wow. rude. I would never. if i start an AvE video - I finish it. I bet youre the type to stop lending a hand before the jobs done too. The nerve of some people!
It's no good to stop giving a handy before the other guy is finished.
Because hardly anything shakes out that way. Including this video. Buying advice is "depends on what you want it for." Recommendations ranged from $20 to $250.
In high vibration environments crimps are more common than tinned multi strand. The reason is the vibration will cause the wire to fatigue at the solder joint since the solder is solid. On aircraft we never tinned, always crimped.
There's a reason why wires aren't tinned - the tin acts as a liquid and slowly changes the shape of a connection so when it was originally tight it becomes loose and prone to electrical malfunction over time. So the lack of tin on the wires is actually a good thing.
@@ehsnils I think Ave meant individually tin plated strands, not the use of solder joints at the ends.
Hmm, I most definitely do 100s of solders on aircraft (777 mainly)
Tin is not the same as soldering...
It's great when you take these apart, but I salivate when you take apart the chicom shit. Everyone knows that a $300 grinder will at least be okay, but with something cheap from china you have 0 idea what could be lurking within.
Did you know the METABO is an acronym for "Metallbohrmaschine" which translates directly into metal drilling machine?
as opposed to Haribo....grüssle
Didn’t know that.
In pc science we used a call tracking system. RTFM.
Stands for read the fucking manual.
Natural rubber? You mean tree spooge?
No. Tree schmoo. Learn moar Canukistani.
tree shmooo
Natural rubber.....the stuff that splits and decays 10-12 years down the road.
Well it's not completely natural rubber, it's been vulcanized. It will only split and decay 10 years down the road if it's left in the sun the whole time and never used. Moving around the rubber as you use the tool over time actually helps it 'self heal' from weather effects or so I've read that car tires will go much longer without weather cracking if they are regularly driven on. And they are vulcanized rubber as well.
That was definitely what I was thinking. Surely silicone would be better and cheaper? Or maybe it doesn't go bad cause reasons?
AvE, not sure if you read the comments from old videos, but I think you shouldn't latch on the crown gear as much as you do. In a 2 gear setup, the pinion is always the critical piece, its whats going to fail. That's why its generally made with a higher quality process/material. Having the crown made as good as the pinion is overkill.
you got your ... what in the vice?
The hand finish joke was very well thought out!
It was the climax of the video
Great video man. Yeah that open-cell foam looks out of place. The trim pots on the electronics are probably for adjusting the "Constantmatic" feature of this particular grinder which is their marketing term for a grinder that maintains a constant rpm even under load. This is probably part of the overload feature you mentioned. Looking forward to your "testing."
The foam is there in the schematic. You can even buy it as a spare part (and it is used in severel metabo tools).
superdau
What is the part number for the foam? I may have been looking at the wrong model.
German Tool Reviews
344100790 "Einlage selbstklebend" ;)
It's an air filter, the air is drawn in on that side and exhausted on the other. Good thinking on Metabo's part. Air coming in is always cold and it won't be affected by the motor heat.
Yup you are right, I missed it.
The switch is made like that for easy replacement (had a metabo where the switch got nasty, ordered a replacement and just popped it in)
in the old days, tools were metal and used to get so damn hot you had to give them a break
That guard attachment design is how they got rid of an inch of thickness so it can go and get those tight areas that need to be polished. And as I see it a genius idea too. simple and effective. Definitely a longer lasting way to do that, and tool-less shroud removal is a time saver. I hope more power tools will have features like that.
No critique about the technical points you mentioned, but you can't compare this grinder pricewise to a "normal" (i. e. not pancake) one and then say it's too expensive. Half the money is going into the flat design of the "WEF 9-125 Quick" you have, which is 291€ when I check the manufacturer's list price. The better specced "WEV 10-125 Quick" (a non pancake grinder) that's a little bit more powerful, has adjustable speed and a mechanical safety clutch costs 172€ as opposed to 291€, so substantially less. (if you don't care about the constant speed control that both offer/adjustable speed that the WEV offers, you can also go for the W 9-125 Quick which literally is half the price of the WEF). You can even mount the gear box in 90° increments to convert it to left handed operation ;) .
The electronic block does a little bit more than you give it credit for. It switches the grinder off, if you get the disc stuck, tries to keep the RPM constant under load, prevents the grinder to spin up after power loss if the switch is still engaged and has a softstart so it's really easy to start up one handed (btw. how do you use a rat tail grinder one handed? I guess that's the reason why almost all 125mm angle grinders here in Europe come with that thumb switch).
Not
How you use a rat tail grinder with one hand? Well.... you just do it. One hand holds the part you're grinding and the other one holds the grinder...
Great comment. But I've used my Milwaukee rat tail one handed many times.
superdau
Thanks for the info.
You need to get plenty of wrist exercises in if you want to use a rat tail one handed, but it can be done!
I've found that if you chug a few Labatt blues and take a few swigs of maple syrup everything he says makes perfect sense :D
This grinder comes from my town never have i been more proud xD
Ways to win AvE's heart: 1) Beer 2) Meats 3) Good snap action
Good snaption / snaptivity
And glass fiber reinforcement
Forged/ground/lapped gears, beefy non-plastic connections to your brushes, no-nonsense warnings "Everyone that uses this tool will die. 100% Guaranteed.", guards and safety interlocks that ship and bill separately, full every-single-part exploded schematics free, crucial 'this will break first' parts available at local hardware, plastics that don't immediately decompose in random cutting fluids for parts that have to be plastic, and last but not least: No dead tree carcasses!!!
All that is well and good, but it got to be STIFF. Who want a hand full of limp tool? 😲😵😞
@@shrikedecil Mrs. AvE, I presume.
note: thermoset's do not melt (you said unlike thermoset plastic these do not melt) . There are thermoplastics, and thermosets. Thermoplastics melt at elevated temperature, thermosets will degrade and then burn, but will not melt.
Couldn't those of us who have the sense to stop BEFORE it goes full torch, call that degradation...melting?
+Michael 1. The sense? I rather enjoy letting the smoke out. You get this delightful whiff of electrified blueberries.
+Joe Clark Cancerberry. A new fragrance for men by Dewalkarri Noir.
*Ron Pearlman in a tight white sweater and cargopants*
Michael 1. I think that would sell. Except for in the state of California where " 'men' has been shown to cause cancer." Ron Perlman in a tight white sweater and cargo pants would sell there though.
Sounds like you've had this Ron Perlman fantasy for awhile :P
Horsecock style.
I know what I'm calling it from now on :j
Usually I just say "that kind that I don't like."
I actually fall asleep to tonys vids. He's my Bob ross
Zendail there is an entire industry for that here on UA-cam. ASMR videos.
*raises an eyebrow and goes squinty eyed* Hmm...methinks we may be cousins...but I don't see a resemblance...
+zendell37 Did you play EQ back in the 2000s
Zendail
I don't know...I did a lot of things in the 2000's I can't quite remember...
Either way, unless you're a middle aged guy with a broke back who played video games all day i doubt its you :D
We use the 6" Metabo angle grinders with abrasive cut-off wheels for doing commercial and industrial sheet metal work.
It is one of the best tools I have ever used.
Hilti is comparable
"Good luck finding a metric bolt"
But I have a few thousand lying around?
Still dont get why they choose the Metrology of the Past even if they have to use the Metric system to get there Units precisely enough and the thread stuff well ... China is further than the US in Metrology
the cable comes from the Zhongshan Rifeng Electric Cable Co.,Ltd.
Guangfeng Gongye Ave, Zhongshan, Guangdong, China METABO have two manufacturing plants Nürtingen and Shanghai (China). makes you wonder if the grinders come from Prc and the truth be out now found this on a british site (tool stop) What this appears to mean is that Metabo not only design and innovate with stereotypical German fastidiousness, they also apply that same mind-set to each element that goes into your Metabo power tools.
So, the motor housing, the gear boxes, all of the aluminium, metal and copper bits that turn your drill bit, your grinding disk or spin your saw blade are designed, engineered and manufactured in Germany, Nürtingen. At the Metabo plant. Only then are the component parts sent to their Chinese plant for assembly.
What we're trying to say is, Metabo power tools are extremely well made.
And that's because 80% of all their machines are still produced in Germany to their exacting design, manufacturing and assembly standards. The other 20% are assembled in their Shanghai factory which utilises the local labour force, but is controlled by German Engineers.
In some instances German made parts are even shipped over to the Shanghai factory for assembly, crazy as it might sound, this gives you some idea as to the investment in quality that is being made here.
“Say you’re doing a meth lab in Guadalajara...” lol
"If you ain't over 200 pounds, you'll be weighed in a child care center" goes the saying, I hear.
"You got your *WHAT* in a vice?!"
I think it'd be awesome if you could make a "FRANKENGRINDER" Take all the good bits from the grinders you dissassemble and examine and make a bullet-proof one. With all the best bits, Top of the range grease, powercords, hobbed gears, bearings, ect........
You would probably end up with a uglier than usual hilti
This guy is FRIGGIN Greeaat !! He's detail oriented, highly intelligent, seriously knowledgeable, funny as fuck, and extremely informative. He knows his stuff. Even if you don't like tools, manufacturing standards and processes, his verbiage and videos are really enjoyable.
Good vid. Just by a case of horrible freight grinders and you don't have to cry when they are stolen
very true I kept out at work a hft grinder and a almost worn out Bosch grinder they were stolen no biggy one was cheap and the other was about to go into orbit
This is the most important point I consider when buying a tool, when you drop it off the ladder, how much pain will you feel.
It's advised almost universally to never mechanically clamp something that is pre-soldered/tinned. In fact in most jurisdictions (Australia, UK, EU, Canada etc) it is illegal to do such in mains electricity installations. There's a few reasons, the main one is that the tin/solder has unacceptable metallurgical creep. Others are things like tin-whiskers, and oxidation.
I think AvE is referring to actual tinned wire along the entire length, not a soldering process that would be done on the end of the wire. AvE is correct that most shipboard cable will be tinned copper. This does not mean that it was soldered, the individual wire strands are tinned for the entire length of the cable before being insulated in the manufacturing process. This prevents the green growth of death that happens inside of many conductors in harsh environments. I've seen wire be black and corroded many feet in underneath the insulation, I would assume through capillary action.
I'll start by saying this is a great review overall. Now the traditional youtube complaining:
Why'd you buy a specialty flat-head grinder and then review it like a normal grinder? The normal Metabos are half that price, bringing it into a much more affordable market position.
That said, I'm off to go find a vice.
I know the little circular thing on the brushes is to back up a small spring that pops out a little non conductive doinger that stops the motor from getting power. I have rebuilt some of the older metabo grinders.
Looks pretty disappointing for the price. I bought my makita GA5030 for 40 euros, love that grinder works every day, small in the hand, very pleasant to use.
"works every day, small in the hand, very pleasant to use." nomtalkinbout
Giggity giggity.
If you know what I mean :D
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You must have got the grinder assembled during Oktoberfest.
I found AvE about a month ago and this has become a staple in my life. I have to watch one at least one a week. My wife watched the DeWalt grinder one with me and she was laughing so hard from your interesting wording of things. Keep it up you got my attention.
Hey AvE,
Polymer Technology Master Engineer from Germany here:
There are a few more efficient ways to vulcanize the rubber as putting it into an autoclave.
The Rubber gets Pre-Mixed at a processing factory and the cable manufacturer buys that as premade strips.
Those get fed into an extruder where the twisted cable runs trough a quill die and the rubber gets pressed around that.
For the Vulcanisation there are various processes. The Autoclave is usually pretty inefficient because you can only run that batchwise, I think they would use either steam (or in asia Radiation) Pipes, where the cables run through continuously under pressure, or a Molten Salt Bath to Vulcanize that.
Since that says 105°C, it is either Natural Rubber, or EPDM (EPDM is more likely, since it has a higher resistance to weather, UV and Ozone influences)
You're Welcome, always happy to share some knowledge!
Haven't heard about the molten Lead version yet, but that sure as hell sounds expensive and complicated
Tobias Brinke thank you for your elaboration,
Inside the brushes on Metabo and Makita they have a little brass button on a spring (that little copper indicator at the top). Once you hit the wear point of the brushes, it shuts the machine down so you cant kill it completely.
Point of failure on most metabo machines is the upper / lower output shaft bearings, head side motor bearing, brushes, Marquardt switch on machines that run those old marquardt push fit jobs.. Most metabo machines have shim stacks to adjust the ring / pinion contact; surprised that machine did not.
No wonder this thing is so expensive, the German worker needs to work 3 hours at 25€ an hour on the shaft only instead of the 20ct a day a Chinese guy gets.
I personally would prefer a 25EUR/h person working on my shaft rather than a 20ct/day one ^^
my mate paid 25EUR/hr for a Thai woman to work on his shaft. He then found out that she had a shaft aswell.
She had to practice on something.
They're doing something right though. Germany was the only country left in the EU after the crash to consistently have a strong economy. They also have consistently had the strongest manufacturing base of just about any first world country over the last decade.
oh boy you guys have a mystified view on germany, for real. you really think a company can afford 25€ / h PLUS taxes/social fees (=40€/h) on conveyor-belt workers ?
That is what someone in quality control earns, at max. Those things get build by people that are hired by sister-companys or manpower companys which switch them every 18month to make sure those workers cant sue themselve in the company ... for example.
We pay at least 11€/h (which is huge compared to some asian countries, true!) but to get to about 18€/h it takes a normal worker around 25 years here, nowadays.
But we adapted to USA pretty quickly in the last 10 years : we pay many millions to the managers now, especially if they messed up. we try the best we can to get slave labor back, to be able pay more money to lobbygroups that manipulate the politics etc...
We are on the same boat you guys are, and we will sink with you together.
Nice job! I've got the cheapo harbor fraught grinder, and after finding myself using it a ton, i was looking into what a good grinder I should buy. Looks like the makita may be on the top of my list
Silly question. Is that little bit of foam an air filter? If its on the "in" side of the airflow would that keep it cool enough to prevent melting?
That was my guess, that open cell foam is used in a lot of filters out there, if there was a mechanical hold down for the cords it would be much stiffer.
I think the foam may also be an indication of use. Basically you send the tool on for repair, they see that foam has not degraded, and they know that they have a legitimate RMA to deal with. At least that is the only reason I could seen for having such a pathetic bit of foam in a High end tool. Not to say that the tool should fail easily, but it might make someones life easier.
My company I work for bought 3 regular metabo grinders 4-5 years ago. Maybe longer. All are still going. I build water trucks for them. Grinders in shop are dewalt and metabo. when i am turning an old cement truck into a water truck my grinder is one of the metabos. I been using the same one a real long time. Keep it in my area of shop. As welder i do tons of grinding for prep. If any of my grinders at home die. They will be replaced with a metabo. I have a man-killer old sioux massive grinder that might be older than me. I think it will outlive me and go to new owner at my estate auction. lol
because I'm twelve...laughed so hard I puked. a little
Nice video again Ave. Been wondering for a while. Are you the singer from Crash test dummies? ;) Greetings from Norway
The first album I bought with money earned from potatoplucking and plowing with John Deere 2040. Nice to see you made a new career with boltr after the musicindustry went down. Loving your vids. Keep up the chooch 😃
So the answer is, to buy 2 Makitas instead. Got it.
GD DSTXD
No, he keeps it in a vice.
First Makita would have to make a comparable grinder. Don't know why he didn't get a standard Metabo which is much cheaper.
Right. Metabo has cheaper Asian assembled versions (china I think) - still a great grinder, but my steel supplier has them for like $75. The flat-head grinder is German-made, and costs almost double of their most basic German-made angle grinder. But nobody else makes a flat head. Simply being able to grind into a 45° corner is a huge advantage.
Not familiar with Chinese Metabo's. Was talking an equivalent 5" German grinder which can be had for the same price as Makita ~$150.
+Andrew Porter.
Even Metabo,is starting to use the Chinese wizard who magicly fattens owner's + manager's pockets.
I'll get mine while the getten's good, attitude has emptied American factorys & sent the jobs any where but here.
Geee, made in Germany with Chinese parts. They went all quality on allot of the components and then compromised on bearings? Reminds me of the bosch hammer drill I bought earlier this year. Thinking I was buying a quality tool. The freaking thing let the magic smoke out in less than 30minutes of work. I returned it and picked up a horrible freight drill and finished the job. The horrible freight drill has since been used on a bunch of jobs and has remained intact. ~30bux. The bosch gave the ghost in 30min $200+ on it. Upon further inspection the drill was made in Russia, guess too much vodka in the QC line.
I have owned this model grinder for about almost 2 years now. And used full time at work. The disk stop deal fell out within 4 months of use. Kept falling out until I lost it. Very frustrating because that exposed the gear housing to the elements and now I'm replacing the gear of the head side. The one on the motor side looks fine. But I'm finding out that it's not as easy as I would have thought.
just a note on the brushes, there is a plastic button inside the brush that pushes out when it gets to a certain point to stop commutation. Recently replaced mine on my metabo and i was surpised it was there.
The wire connections are not tinned because tinning wires in Germany is not allowed. Don't know any details though.
Marine cables and wires are not tinned either.
I know you don't know any details, but like, in a more general sense, like, why? For what purpose?
Jackson Gray My educated guess is that because the solder is ductile and not elastic you take away the wire's elasticity, which, when bolted in, lets the solder flow away from the clamping-force. Therefore the resistance rises and arcing can eventually occur.
Just for the same reason u should never use a soldering iron when u work on your cars electric system.
Tinned stranded wire in a vibrating environment (when the wire isn't 100% rigidly secured) is a sure way to have a broken wire at some point. Also solder has some very strong "creep" (in short: deforming slowly under stress) so any clamped connection will become loose. Crimping/clamping bare copper forms a way better and reliable connection than a tinned/soldered a wire.
I've used Makita, Dewalt, and Metabo. I use my grinders hard on a daily basis. My first Metabo lasted 7 years. The Dewalt that replaced it lasted about 6 weeks, and I hated the feel and sound of the Makita and pawned it off on a new guy and took the Metabo he was issued. When it came time to replace my POS grinder I use out in the garage, I bought a Metabo. Don't regret it one bit.
found a ton of hilti and metabo at a local pawn shop, great price, seems unused. would you suggest purchase?
Lol stolen from the jobsite for sure
I have a 86 Porsche 944 and it's the best made vehicle I have every seen.
That Lovejoy makes it look like a Wankel in there.
I take offense to the term "200 pound Gorilla". I prefer "Evolutionary challenged.
Those Metabo grinders are awesome. The cordless ones are amazing. Only issue with Metabo tools is that they manufacture a lot of tools in South Korea. The stuff made in Germany is tough as nails, but the Korean stuff is garbage.
Awesome vidjao love the content man.
Ive been wanting to ask!! What ever happened to the Haunted Dewalt prank?? Was it a success?
I'd love to know if one of these could be converted to a paddle switch motor housing. Could be the ultimate tool....
11:20 the red dot is a seal for the glued in spring inside the brush to pull the brush away from the commutator when the brush is worn down!
Merlinkatamari same as festeringtool
In Germany Metabo is the prosumer stuff you pick up at the home improvement store and even there Makita has the better rep. If you have a business to run that depends on these tools Hilti and FEIN is your brands of choice.
Lukas danke,
I've seen plenty of businesses running on Ryobi or similar. Not a good choice for an iron worker 50 stories up but in a shop where you can just grab another one from the rack while it cools off it's no biggie. Sure the nice tools come with warranty, but getting them to actually warranty them is usually more difficult then going to the local skum bags and buying 10 more of said item.
Had 2 fein grinders, junk, went back to metabo. Cracked both gear heads wtf
TMoD7007 yea, I was surprised as well. The motors where decent, didn’t overheat, but they where geared a little lower, another reason I wasn’t impressed in the end, makes grinding more of a chore
I do not have anything against paying more for stuff that indeed is made in Germany, or Europe as a whole, or anywhere where people get paid decently, companies are forced to comply with regulations and things don't need to get shipped across entire oceans to get to the customer. I even look for such stuff and buy it, if it is available. However, hasn't even Metabo started assembling things in China?
A normal Metabo like the Metabo WE15-150 for example Isn't 300$ and will blow whatever grinder you could possibly review out of the water. I think your just scared to do it. Idk what the fuck that ugly ass tool was you reviewed and i'm sure a lot of other people never heard of it either before this video.
I've had this grinder for two years and love it
Is the open-cell foam being used as a bit of air filtration by chance? I can't think of any other use for it.....
Also, tinning cables that are put under a screw terminal will end up with a loose connection as the solder creeps away under pressure (like PVC does), it's actually forbidden in the Australian wiring rules to use solder to tin wires in a pressure type connection (screw down or crimp) for this reason. Loose connections at mains voltages = fires... :)
Played backwards at 19:21, AvE says 'and that it did spot weld it'. And now you know...
I have bought metabo cordless drill BS 18 LTX, not so cheap tool aroud 300-350 €, I have charged batteries aroud 8 -10 times in 2 years and my charged failed I was in shock how is this possible, then I have found on internet that they use cheap parts and produce charger in such way it is hard to repair. I will take it to local repair shop will not buy new one wich is not that expensive. Very disappointed with quality. From now on I buy tools from Lidl. You don't get what you paid anymore for anything phones, tools, or most of any consumer products.
LOL! Its like you know me, I have a 1979 W116 300SD.
The thing is, that these Metabo grinders are just about the same price as a Makita or Bosch Professional (few slightly different model for slightly different prices but all around 60 to 70€) here in Germany. Fein is about 100€, a cheap Hilti is 90, an expensive one 300€ and around 25€ you get the cheap crap.
So if youre looking at realistic prices, this thing is pretty much like all the other stuff, a little better or worse for 5 bucks more or less doesnt really matter to most people.
I should really get to bed
And I'm finishing the vidjao in 1st period study hall!
Even my wife likes these videos, and she now understands why I need these tools and not the cheap ones,,, I do custom stainless fabrication,,, you simply HAVE to have all of these specialty tools,,, check out SUHNER,,, now that is some expensive shit.
+1 for a grinder head to head challenge.
Just for the suggestion hat, tearing down a Graco 16H240 battery powered airless sprayer. to me they seem like a pos that doesnt justify the cost, paint guys claim they're good, but they've also been sniffing fumes all day.
Once in a liquor-soaked blue moon, you gotta give a guy a gentle nudge in the rear.
This is that.
E-Lass-Tom-er
How much of the extra cost do you figure is from the lovejoy coupling and low profile head (vs the other standard grinders)? Not to question your analysis of the stamped part, but so long as the bottom surface is flat, what does it matter? The relative machining of the aluminium gland end is all that counts. Also, the loose connections at the mains seem really confusing...is there something they are doing that isn't readily apparent? could the wire be connected solidly to the spade inside an outer sleeve for strain relief? they obviously know how to make a solid connection, and it seems like a strange place to pinch pennies. BTW, what happened to the Flir? would be interesting to see if those really do get hotter than a $2 pistol... thanks again for your great vids.
It is indeed a very unfair comparison. A similar "normal" grinder (the W 9-125 Quick) costs 147€ (manufacturer's list price incl. tax) while the WEF 9-125 Quick costs 291€ so almost exactly twice as much.
About the wire: I guess it's because the power cable will be the first thing to be changed after someone cut through it. And even if a connector is moving around a little it doesn't mean that there isn't a large contact surface area. Typically these "loose" spade connectors have a latch inside that makes prevents them to come off on their own.
I was meaning the loose spade connectors at 12:40. If they aren't getting good contact it would increase the electrical resistance and heat up.
Depending on the additives in the rubber they don't always need pressure to cure. Right type of rubber can just use steam. We call it an atmospheric cure in my line of work. Another way to cure some types of rubber is hot water where water is used for temperature and pressure (may be used for cable manufacturing using extrusion process). Several hundred different types of rubber and several additives for each type.
"skookum" parts are good parts right?
If they "chooch" well, the answer is yes.
Skookum means tough or durable. Chooch means they work.
With a company like Metabo, you can contact customer support if your button or shieldholder (or any other easily replaceable external parts) breaks. They would just send you a new one and a spare for the next time. So the ease of assembly is worth it in the long run. This way they make money on lazy people who just buy a new tool and they make regular customers happy with quality customer support.
So how does Bosch angle grinders stack up to Makita, Metabo, Fein, DeWalt etc.?
Bosch angle grinder tear down coming up next?
Bosch isn't worth the time, not for years.
Good for car parts, not power tools.
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