Unfortunately, you're right - too large chunk of SW aesthetics is boiled to "wolf" and "viking" parts are often incorporated in questionable ways like Logan's "Santa sled", though I agree, Bjorn the Fellhanded (aka the grumpy veteran grandpa) is great design wise
Space wolves being so varied in all their accessories and patterns makes them each feel unique, which fits their theme because they're all about making their own stories and so having any two look near identical is somewhat damning. They have a cold exterior but warmth inside, and while people complain about them going too far in the wolf theme I prefer it to be there and have the choice to have as much or as little as I want rather than the primaris versions that strip most of it away. If anything, I wish I could give each of mine some furs, rather than only a fraction
At 36:00 I gotta disagree! The wolves have changed a lot since the heresy. This is best demonstrated by the months of shame. The wolves risked everything to protect civilians, even using themselves as human shields to avoid slaughter of the innocent and went to war with the inquisition. They grew in character and are no longer a mindless axe used to behead a foe but a weapon with a conscience. They basically did a 180° flip, from lawful evil (at least before Russ joined) to chaotic good! But what did I expect from a dark angel player, the legion/chapter that can't let go of their past... :p
The warmth in their art coming from the new yellows, reds, the bright hair, fire in the background, and rosier complexions definitely allude to that. Their dull colours are so much more vibrant now
@31:00 I disagree on the color switch. Heresy Wolves were much more savage and feral compared to the modern 40k counterparts. The dark colors fits that aesthetic as the Emperors Executioners
@41:50 if you are going to compare Fan vs. GW models you should show the Heresy specific kits (Deathsworn, Varagyr, Slayers, etc.) or characters rather than just the helmet upgrade
@45:00 Great Companies arent successors, those are the Wolf Spear. Great Companies are just different companies who take after the Wolf Lords. Like the clans you mention @47:00
Timestamps ⏱ 0:00 Intro 0:26 Preheresy Design Breakdown 1:59 What Sunny Knows 3:08 The Real Design Breakdown 9:41 Preheresy Design Analysis 11:02 Preheresy Art 13:50 Preheresy Design vs Lore 17:59 Preheresy Final Notes 20:02 Post Heresy Design Breakdown 28:05 Post Heresy Design Analysis 31:48 Post Heresy Art 36:20 Fans vs GW who did it better? 43:00 Post Heresy Final Notes 44:01 Redesign 48:19 Outro 48:53 End Credit Joke
Thanks for another fun video. For the sake of engagement if you revisit the way their actions are described pre-heresy and how they’re described in modern 40k you might actually agree with the changed color psychology. I think the 40k lore has them more honorable and the 30k lore a lot more brutal. Despite that I really do like the pre-heresy color scheme more but that’s just my taste.
Oh yeah I get what your saying but, I think a good example of what I am saying is that short story about the wolves back then I wish I remember the book it was from. But they help out this world and they have an old marshal tradition of shimmer shields and very renaissance inspired, and they fight the Dark Eldar. Anyway they are so joyful, wraithful and somber they as human as you could be. And at the start of the crusade they were just so alive. It feels like the Horus Heresy did a lot of psychic damage to the wolves but it also feels like it doesn't come through which is what I was getting at. And yes I also like the pre-heresy scheme more as well - Cal
I'm a SW player and one of my good buddies runs DA. We've had a few good Honour dues ourselves! Its always great fun. They are my favorite SM faction and one of the things that got me to play Warhammer in general.
15:02 the irony of a Dark Angel saying he can’t look at the Space Wolves as wise. Considering the common saying about their respective Gene Fathers. The Lion: *a savage, dressed as a noble* The Wolf King: *a noble, dressed as a savage*
For the white scars shamans 'ascension' ritual it's been detailed in a book. Intense meditation + warp shenigagans. The storm (callers?) Practice warp shit with a cultural mindset of moderation. So in the vision they are offered a chalice full of 'liquid' (warp power) by four creatures (chaos gods) while another figure (the emperor) watches in silence, obviously wanting the psyker to refuse. As it's impolite to refuse a gift on chogoris and understanding what the emperor wishes are (complete refusal), the psyker takes the smallest sip, disappointing everyone (accepting power from the gods, but not nearly enough to corrupt fully).
I'm a long time space wolves fan and I really enjoyed this video! I think you guys are spot on with your analysis of the look of the chapter overall! In fact as you pointed out there are lots of fan artists and also 3rd party models parts that really capture that unorthodox, primal look! It would be interesting if the Space Wolves get a range re-fresh in 2025, to do another video on the new models and if GW have got it right.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Ah, ill be honest I didn't even notice the order,. Rad, I'll be waiting with my lil lords I just bought to paint. (and make 6 out of because they're never in stock)
We have in other ones, so a bit of the behind the scenes we were really on a time crunch because we were going to be working with someone on a project of theirs. But that fell through so this quite rushed compared to our usual episodes. Which is unfortunate. The other issue is finding content, often finding everything we want to show is quite time consuming. We hope you understand - Cal
One thing of note is that the Space Wolves of 40k actually have more of a heroic bent than their 30k predecessors. Can you imagine 30k Space Wolves taking shots from an Inquisitor's fleet without firing back so that civilians can leave the system safely? The guys who blew up every single city on Prospero specifically to destroy their civilian populations. Under Russ, the Space Wolves were significantly more savage, brutal, bloodthirsty, and merciless than they are in 40k. Either that, or the Imperium has just gone so far south in 40k that the ruthless barbarians now look like shining exemplars of heroism in comparison.
We are slow 🥲 we can only release one hobby video a week, we put a lot of work into them a lot of research and such. So it will take us awhile before we are finished with the design vs lore for the space marines. Currently we are doing shorts of the best and worst of the xenos we should make that into a playlist... be right back - Cal
I can't help but comment on the section with helmets... One of the helmets was called "samurai". But in fact, this is a hint at a very famous archaeological artifact - the Sutton Hoo Helmet. It was called "King Arthur's Helmet" even earlier. This is actually a very ancient helmet - from the Vendel era, that is, the times preceding the classical Viking era. If we consider it from this point of view, then in my opinion, it would be very cool to show the space wolves of the Great Crusade era with a stylization of the Vendel era, and the modern ones - as familiar Vikings. To simultaneously show their change over time, and make a reference to the real historical path of the ancient Germans. Like, the Vendel era and the Horus Heresy are something very ancient, and the Vikings are something more familiar.
I don't know exactly who Levkoy is, but he's definitely captured the essence of the Space Wolves. Judging by his name, he's a Slav, and the Slavs had surprisingly good relations with the Vikings in the past. In Western Europe, the Vikings were primarily known as raiders, plunderers, and conquerors. But in Eastern Europe, they were rarely fought. They were known as traders and mercenaries. The first Russian ruling dynasty, the Rurikids, came from somewhere in Denmark or Sweden, and they didn't conquer power like William the Conqueror did - they were, according to the chronicles, invited to rule because there was no one worthy among their aristocracy. So the Slavs literally have some kind of historically embedded... I don't know... "understanding" of the Vikings? Like, "they're not just barbarians - they're enterprising traders, brave mercenaries, inquisitive travelers and fair rulers." In this regard, the Slavs are both similar and unlike the British: both were ruled by descendants of the Vikings, but in Britain it was a conquest, while for the Slavs it was something like symbiosis. So it's not surprising that the Slavic artist treats the Viking theme more respectfully.
Another missed opportunity with the Space Wolves is how GW decided to have the Celtic themed chapter be successors to the Ultramarines instead of the Space Wolves. It feels extremely misplaced and it would add further depth to the Emperor's Spears struggles with converting troops to primaris marines. Having the failure of the conversion procedure be due to the savage nature of the Canis Helix. Instead of, "oh we just have a lack of supplies."
What do you mean by the four main chapters UM,DA,BA,and SW, and what they embody is it by their core themes or how GW interprets them in their books and lore? I notice that seeing from what I understand some of those themes seem pretty interchangeable when looking at what they are and what they do.
It's funny hearing Cal talk about his bias against the Space Wolves as a Dark Angels player. I'm a Thousand Sons player, and I can tell you just how keenly unwise the little hypocrites of Russ really are. 😂
Imma be honest, I love my space WOLVES. I loved the idea of the full wolf helmet in modern setting because they always had them too me. Of course they over did it in heresy which is meant to be more viking based before the 10,000 years of decay. Ironically it became a meme in my store how I love both the subdued like the iron hands and ultramarines for what they are and love the "fuck it space wolves" chapter. I get it dont get it but I never met someone who hates fun more than people who dont like my boy wolfsvene wolfenstein. Unless your a marines malevolent fan then your based as hell.
I do enjoy this style of content a lot more from you guys, allows your personalities to shine through Your heavily scripted back-and-forth videos aren’t my style but you always have great info within to make them watchable
Thank you so much for your lovely comment I can understand what you mean by the heavily scripted ones I did enjoy this design vs lore because we had a lot of funny moments and that's also why I enjoyed doing the Lancer Lore video that one was hoots all around 🤣 ~Sunny
I think having a Space Wolves successor chapter based around Beduin Arabs could be interesting, they are a very traditional, honourable people with a long warrior tradition. Also those furry-looking Space Wolves upgrades where the original MK:VI upgrades, they got switched to the new ones you showed later due to the backlash.
Backlash works? Ha ha not what I have been told. But yeah that sounds interesting with the Bedouin Arabs I think it would be interesting if it wasn't all wolf all the time - Cal
Agreed! The post heresy color scheme alone was enough to convince me not to play the faction. That light blue somehow looks out of place compared to other chapters unless you go darker than GW. I was thinking they should include other animals besides wolves in the successors, but then you reminded me of the whole space furry thing. 😓 Hope GW takes your advice whenever they get around to the range refresh!
It's kind of annoying because it's almost impossible to actually recreate the type of light blue shown on the MKVII marine. It's meant to evoke stormy skies but none of the modern colours properly match. Thankfully it has lots of variations from different paint companies so it's really easy to find a version that suits you
Don’t the space wolves not have any successors? If I remember right leman Russ hated the codex astartes, so he said he’d break up his legion into thirteen great companies which was how he already formed his legion. They never had a successor chapter until the primaris because guillaman made one. And I honestly think the 40k theme matches more. They are not traumatized be the heresy. They are shown to throw parties and drink the night away. In 30k they had that but we’re also mainly the emperor’s executioners. They had one goal and that was to conquer worlds and slaughter any that opposed them or the emperor. In 40k they are more defend the people. Their colors make sense because of how drastically they changed. From psychopaths that slaughter civilians they deemed in their way, to defenders of the common person against the authorities now in place
@@Dokari-l9m there was a single successor in 30k, but they all died from aggressive mutations not too long after. They still represented half of the surviving space wolves. There are also multiple successors from the ultima founding, it's just that wolfspear get the limelight and the rest are just kinda there I guess
Well they can’t really make other chapters due to Canis Helix requiring them to be close to Fenris they will literally turn into wolves. Thats all i remember maybe it’s out dated but thats how i remember why there is only two chapters. Plus they are not a codex compliant chapter so in the way they have broken the mold
A helpful guide on how to pronounce Pteruges. First the English way: Start with a hard P sound like you did. Then pronounce the word "tear" like "I have a tear in my shirt". Then say "Ooga" like a caveman would say "Ooga-booga." Now add an S sound at the end and make it all sound Australian. I bet you'll have no trouble with that last part. now for the fun part. How to say it the Greek way. Start with an F sound. Then a Te sound like at the start of the word "Temporary" you want to put emphasis on the T part of the word. Then say Rigg like "This game is rigged" and finish with an "Es" sound. Hopefully this will be useful for other episodes. Have fun.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Hi. I saw the imperial fists video and I came back to this one. First of all, I wanna congratulate you for actually trying. Sunny's new pronunciation was really close to the mark. Don't give up. I believe in you.
As a reminder: Space Wolves aren't vikings, they're wolf barbarians. If you take the runes and naming convention away from them just about nothing about them remains viking/Norse/Germanic. From their unit structure, battle tactics, and just about everything else.
I have a very weird opinion about space wolves design. Mostly negative. I liked them before the 5th edition redesign, but after the 5th edition codex they went too far in some places. Space marines riding wolves, in my opinion, are done in a very poor taste. I just hate that concept. Especially since bikers exist. Same with furs. They used to use them very sparingly, but after the 5th edition redesign, they turned into freaking walking carpets. Logan on freaking floating land-slide is the peak if everything I don't enjoy about the space wolves. So I might be in minority here, but I see primaris stripping them of their designs identity as a positive thing - I hope they'll be more moderate with design elements on their second try. I see overdesigning divergent chapters as a designer mistake. Imho, perfect situation is with black templars in terms of moderation.
I 100% see what you mean, like it's wolves all the way down. And I think like we said Lev_Koi did a much better job incorporating both the elements of the werewolf thing and the Nordic elements. I actually like the sled thing and the wolves because they are so over the top they loop all the way back to being cool again. I do think that design when you talk about the walking carpets yeah you're not wrong - Cal
So in your opinion it would be a bit more palatable if SW went more with runes sculpted into their armour instead of (over)use of furs and wolves? EDIT. Personally, primaris stuff is way too plain for pretty much everyone besides Ultramarines
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow yup, really liked those concept arts, forgot to mention. Please include more of those community-made stuff, that idea is a banger idea. I really like how you are always willing to give the spotlight to other creatives and invent new ways to do it.
@@Jfk2Mr it's more about moderation or lack thereof than the exact design elements. But runes and ornaments sound cool as hell. They could even go further and try to implement not only Scandinavian esthetics and design elements, but also Celtic, Scottish and so on. Upd: about primaris - they surely suck for SW, don't get me wrong, but I hope that they'll use it as a reboot to build new esthetics for the primaris SW that won't have the problems I mentioned. Right now primaris SW pack leader and primaris Ragnar look good in my eyes, and that gives me some optimism.
Great video and great to know what Sunny knows before criticising the design, cause it was obvious she had been studying wh from other videos and it started to feel like cheating now. Great to see you showing self criticism and public centered development. Also, i wonder how much improvised these videos are. If it is completely out of the blue there is great chemistry between you two.
Thanks so much! Yeah normally Cal does try to shield me from certain content so that we can continue the series with the premise intact but I think with this type of video it's inevitable to find out about things. Normally we do plan out what we want to say with the breakdown and analysis portions but this time we were more loose with it I was really happy with how funny this video turned out ~Sunny We may have been loose because we had another project fall through and we had to do this quite quickly. Would have liked to have some of the older art as we usually do and so on - Cal
Question for the lore experts: how does gw explain the EXTREME luck that it was to name a chapter "space wolves" and dress them like vikings, and later on find their primarch raised by wolves in an ice cold planet (with no vikings on it, but he had no problem to embrace vikingdom)? I mean, he could likely have been raised by gnorbolks, wich a species of squirrel-lizards that DO NOT exist on earth and are mostly choral-parasites from a water planet, for as much i know.
Almost every legion had some other name before they were reunited with their primarch. Some of them changed drastically, others feel like there's too much coincidences. But every coincidence can be attributed to Tzeench.
I have been collecting and painting Space Wolves for over 30 years. GW definitely took the wolf theme too far. The crown jewel is the Stormwolf flyer. To me the snout design of the vehicle looks too much like the head of the Disney character Goofy. It is an image that cannot be unseen.
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'It's wolves all the way down' 😂
Tell me I am wrong - Cal
Unfortunately, you're right - too large chunk of SW aesthetics is boiled to "wolf" and "viking" parts are often incorporated in questionable ways like Logan's "Santa sled", though I agree, Bjorn the Fellhanded (aka the grumpy veteran grandpa) is great design wise
@@Jfk2Mr Grumpy Grandpa's Santa Sled is a fantastic line - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Logan has Santa sled, Bjorn is grumpy grandpa
@@Jfk2Mr I mixed them together for maximum flavour - Cal
Space wolves being so varied in all their accessories and patterns makes them each feel unique, which fits their theme because they're all about making their own stories and so having any two look near identical is somewhat damning. They have a cold exterior but warmth inside, and while people complain about them going too far in the wolf theme I prefer it to be there and have the choice to have as much or as little as I want rather than the primaris versions that strip most of it away. If anything, I wish I could give each of mine some furs, rather than only a fraction
Sunny has evolved, bursting with knowledge! Also, can I get 2 Pteroges with ketchup, mustard and grilled onions please? Made me hungry!
That's two Pteroges with the roman special - Cal
At 36:00 I gotta disagree! The wolves have changed a lot since the heresy. This is best demonstrated by the months of shame.
The wolves risked everything to protect civilians, even using themselves as human shields to avoid slaughter of the innocent and went to war with the inquisition.
They grew in character and are no longer a mindless axe used to behead a foe but a weapon with a conscience. They basically did a 180° flip, from lawful evil (at least before Russ joined) to chaotic good!
But what did I expect from a dark angel player, the legion/chapter that can't let go of their past... :p
The warmth in their art coming from the new yellows, reds, the bright hair, fire in the background, and rosier complexions definitely allude to that. Their dull colours are so much more vibrant now
@31:00 I disagree on the color switch. Heresy Wolves were much more savage and feral compared to the modern 40k counterparts. The dark colors fits that aesthetic as the Emperors Executioners
@41:50 if you are going to compare Fan vs. GW models you should show the Heresy specific kits (Deathsworn, Varagyr, Slayers, etc.) or characters rather than just the helmet upgrade
@45:00 Great Companies arent successors, those are the Wolf Spear. Great Companies are just different companies who take after the Wolf Lords. Like the clans you mention @47:00
Timestamps ⏱
0:00 Intro
0:26 Preheresy Design Breakdown
1:59 What Sunny Knows
3:08 The Real Design Breakdown
9:41 Preheresy Design Analysis
11:02 Preheresy Art
13:50 Preheresy Design vs Lore
17:59 Preheresy Final Notes
20:02 Post Heresy Design Breakdown
28:05 Post Heresy Design Analysis
31:48 Post Heresy Art
36:20 Fans vs GW who did it better?
43:00 Post Heresy Final Notes
44:01 Redesign
48:19 Outro
48:53 End Credit Joke
One of these days Sunny is going to play Cal out like it's the Oscars. Just for the luls. 😂
What do you mean one of these days she just did! - Cal
Thanks for another fun video. For the sake of engagement if you revisit the way their actions are described pre-heresy and how they’re described in modern 40k you might actually agree with the changed color psychology. I think the 40k lore has them more honorable and the 30k lore a lot more brutal. Despite that I really do like the pre-heresy color scheme more but that’s just my taste.
Oh yeah I get what your saying but, I think a good example of what I am saying is that short story about the wolves back then I wish I remember the book it was from. But they help out this world and they have an old marshal tradition of shimmer shields and very renaissance inspired, and they fight the Dark Eldar.
Anyway they are so joyful, wraithful and somber they as human as you could be.
And at the start of the crusade they were just so alive. It feels like the Horus Heresy did a lot of psychic damage to the wolves but it also feels like it doesn't come through which is what I was getting at. And yes I also like the pre-heresy scheme more as well - Cal
I'm a SW player and one of my good buddies runs DA. We've had a few good Honour dues ourselves! Its always great fun. They are my favorite SM faction and one of the things that got me to play Warhammer in general.
15:02 the irony of a Dark Angel saying he can’t look at the Space Wolves as wise. Considering the common saying about their respective Gene Fathers.
The Lion: *a savage, dressed as a noble*
The Wolf King: *a noble, dressed as a savage*
Hahah! That is very ironic makes sense why they don't like each other ~Sunny
For the white scars shamans 'ascension' ritual it's been detailed in a book. Intense meditation + warp shenigagans. The storm (callers?) Practice warp shit with a cultural mindset of moderation. So in the vision they are offered a chalice full of 'liquid' (warp power) by four creatures (chaos gods) while another figure (the emperor) watches in silence, obviously wanting the psyker to refuse. As it's impolite to refuse a gift on chogoris and understanding what the emperor wishes are (complete refusal), the psyker takes the smallest sip, disappointing everyone (accepting power from the gods, but not nearly enough to corrupt fully).
Yeah the lore so so deep in some parts and it is hard to decide what to include but its a nice bit of lore thanks for sharing - Cal
Issa full moon, bros
Come again? - Cal
Oh no, it's a werehouse!
@@Jfk2Mr OHHHH okay okay I read that comic - Cal
I'm a long time space wolves fan and I really enjoyed this video!
I think you guys are spot on with your analysis of the look of the chapter overall! In fact as you pointed out there are lots of fan artists and also 3rd party models parts that really capture that unorthodox, primal look!
It would be interesting if the Space Wolves get a range re-fresh in 2025, to do another video on the new models and if GW have got it right.
I think we should probably do a series just on the models, I think it could be interesting. So yeah thanks for the suggestion - Cal
ayo, any chance we can get a death guard EP? I love my dusk raiders.
In the order of the legions so I think 8 more if memory serves before it's there turn - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Ah, ill be honest I didn't even notice the order,. Rad, I'll be waiting with my lil lords I just bought to paint. (and make 6 out of because they're never in stock)
I wish you would look at the old school art.
We have in other ones, so a bit of the behind the scenes we were really on a time crunch because we were going to be working with someone on a project of theirs. But that fell through so this quite rushed compared to our usual episodes. Which is unfortunate. The other issue is finding content, often finding everything we want to show is quite time consuming. We hope you understand - Cal
I think one fan-made successor of the space wolves that shows the honor society/tribe best would be the space bears/ Astra primursa of Jazza
Jazza is great, Jazza is who we want to be if we get big enough - Cal
One thing of note is that the Space Wolves of 40k actually have more of a heroic bent than their 30k predecessors. Can you imagine 30k Space Wolves taking shots from an Inquisitor's fleet without firing back so that civilians can leave the system safely? The guys who blew up every single city on Prospero specifically to destroy their civilian populations. Under Russ, the Space Wolves were significantly more savage, brutal, bloodthirsty, and merciless than they are in 40k.
Either that, or the Imperium has just gone so far south in 40k that the ruthless barbarians now look like shining exemplars of heroism in comparison.
Fair comment is fair - Cal
Will you be doing diffrent factions dvl?
We are slow 🥲 we can only release one hobby video a week, we put a lot of work into them a lot of research and such. So it will take us awhile before we are finished with the design vs lore for the space marines. Currently we are doing shorts of the best and worst of the xenos we should make that into a playlist... be right back - Cal
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Here you are please enjoy - Cal
I can't help but comment on the section with helmets... One of the helmets was called "samurai". But in fact, this is a hint at a very famous archaeological artifact - the Sutton Hoo Helmet. It was called "King Arthur's Helmet" even earlier. This is actually a very ancient helmet - from the Vendel era, that is, the times preceding the classical Viking era. If we consider it from this point of view, then in my opinion, it would be very cool to show the space wolves of the Great Crusade era with a stylization of the Vendel era, and the modern ones - as familiar Vikings. To simultaneously show their change over time, and make a reference to the real historical path of the ancient Germans. Like, the Vendel era and the Horus Heresy are something very ancient, and the Vikings are something more familiar.
I don't know exactly who Levkoy is, but he's definitely captured the essence of the Space Wolves. Judging by his name, he's a Slav, and the Slavs had surprisingly good relations with the Vikings in the past. In Western Europe, the Vikings were primarily known as raiders, plunderers, and conquerors. But in Eastern Europe, they were rarely fought. They were known as traders and mercenaries. The first Russian ruling dynasty, the Rurikids, came from somewhere in Denmark or Sweden, and they didn't conquer power like William the Conqueror did - they were, according to the chronicles, invited to rule because there was no one worthy among their aristocracy. So the Slavs literally have some kind of historically embedded... I don't know... "understanding" of the Vikings? Like, "they're not just barbarians - they're enterprising traders, brave mercenaries, inquisitive travelers and fair rulers." In this regard, the Slavs are both similar and unlike the British: both were ruled by descendants of the Vikings, but in Britain it was a conquest, while for the Slavs it was something like symbiosis. So it's not surprising that the Slavic artist treats the Viking theme more respectfully.
Sunny grew a galaxy brain
Well done
Another missed opportunity with the Space Wolves is how GW decided to have the Celtic themed chapter be successors to the Ultramarines instead of the Space Wolves. It feels extremely misplaced and it would add further depth to the Emperor's Spears struggles with converting troops to primaris marines. Having the failure of the conversion procedure be due to the savage nature of the Canis Helix. Instead of, "oh we just have a lack of supplies."
That is the story of GW another missed opportunity - Cal
What do you mean by the four main chapters UM,DA,BA,and SW, and what they embody is it by their core themes or how GW interprets them in their books and lore? I notice that seeing from what I understand some of those themes seem pretty interchangeable when looking at what they are and what they do.
That's more from older lore perspective, nowadays it's more muddled
good job
Thank you, hope you enjoyed - Cal
It's funny hearing Cal talk about his bias against the Space Wolves as a Dark Angels player. I'm a Thousand Sons player, and I can tell you just how keenly unwise the little hypocrites of Russ really are. 😂
No comment... he wrote as his commented - Cal
Imma be honest, I love my space WOLVES. I loved the idea of the full wolf helmet in modern setting because they always had them too me. Of course they over did it in heresy which is meant to be more viking based before the 10,000 years of decay. Ironically it became a meme in my store how I love both the subdued like the iron hands and ultramarines for what they are and love the "fuck it space wolves" chapter. I get it dont get it but I never met someone who hates fun more than people who dont like my boy wolfsvene wolfenstein. Unless your a marines malevolent fan then your based as hell.
❤ love the video 🔥
I do enjoy this style of content a lot more from you guys, allows your personalities to shine through
Your heavily scripted back-and-forth videos aren’t my style but you always have great info within to make them watchable
Thank you so much for your lovely comment I can understand what you mean by the heavily scripted ones I did enjoy this design vs lore because we had a lot of funny moments and that's also why I enjoyed doing the Lancer Lore video that one was hoots all around 🤣 ~Sunny
loving these videos please do death guard
Thanks we got 8 to go before we get there but we will eventually - Cal
I think having a Space Wolves successor chapter based around Beduin Arabs could be interesting, they are a very traditional, honourable people with a long warrior tradition.
Also those furry-looking Space Wolves upgrades where the original MK:VI upgrades, they got switched to the new ones you showed later due to the backlash.
Backlash works? Ha ha not what I have been told. But yeah that sounds interesting with the Bedouin Arabs I think it would be interesting if it wasn't all wolf all the time - Cal
Agreed! The post heresy color scheme alone was enough to convince me not to play the faction. That light blue somehow looks out of place compared to other chapters unless you go darker than GW.
I was thinking they should include other animals besides wolves in the successors, but then you reminded me of the whole space furry thing. 😓
Hope GW takes your advice whenever they get around to the range refresh!
It's kind of annoying because it's almost impossible to actually recreate the type of light blue shown on the MKVII marine. It's meant to evoke stormy skies but none of the modern colours properly match. Thankfully it has lots of variations from different paint companies so it's really easy to find a version that suits you
Don’t the space wolves not have any successors? If I remember right leman Russ hated the codex astartes, so he said he’d break up his legion into thirteen great companies which was how he already formed his legion. They never had a successor chapter until the primaris because guillaman made one.
And I honestly think the 40k theme matches more. They are not traumatized be the heresy. They are shown to throw parties and drink the night away. In 30k they had that but we’re also mainly the emperor’s executioners. They had one goal and that was to conquer worlds and slaughter any that opposed them or the emperor.
In 40k they are more defend the people.
Their colors make sense because of how drastically they changed. From psychopaths that slaughter civilians they deemed in their way, to defenders of the common person against the authorities now in place
@@Dokari-l9m there was a single successor in 30k, but they all died from aggressive mutations not too long after. They still represented half of the surviving space wolves. There are also multiple successors from the ultima founding, it's just that wolfspear get the limelight and the rest are just kinda there I guess
@@greg_mca oh cool. I didn’t now about others beside the wolf spear
The crappy HH wolf head helmets are from a single model way back in the early history of 40k. It was almost exactly the same.
The Cheyenne people and their Dog Soldiers would make a great base for a fast attack themed space wolf successor chapter.
This was a good episode congrats on a job well done!!!!!
Thanks ☺️ - Cal
I really liked the HH wolf heads and hated the beakies tho :(
fair - Cal
Another great vid 🔥
Thanks - Cal
Well they can’t really make other chapters due to Canis Helix requiring them to be close to Fenris they will literally turn into wolves. Thats all i remember maybe it’s out dated but thats how i remember why there is only two chapters. Plus they are not a codex compliant chapter so in the way they have broken the mold
I'm off to lunch! Anyone want me to bring some pteruges back?
A helpful guide on how to pronounce Pteruges.
First the English way: Start with a hard P sound like you did. Then pronounce the word "tear" like "I have a tear in my shirt". Then say "Ooga" like a caveman would say "Ooga-booga." Now add an S sound at the end and make it all sound Australian. I bet you'll have no trouble with that last part.
now for the fun part. How to say it the Greek way.
Start with an F sound. Then a Te sound like at the start of the word "Temporary" you want to put emphasis on the T part of the word. Then say Rigg like "This game is rigged" and finish with an "Es" sound.
Hopefully this will be useful for other episodes.
Have fun.
That... that sounds like a lot of work - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow It takes more effort to write it down and explain it than to learn it.
I speak 4 languages, trust me, you can do this. 😉
@@vicnedel02 Maybe Sunny can I can barely speak English, she knows three I maybe know English... it's a definite maybe - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow
Hi. I saw the imperial fists video and I came back to this one. First of all, I wanna congratulate you for actually trying. Sunny's new pronunciation was really close to the mark. Don't give up. I believe in you.
One of your best episodes ever! if not the best ❤🎉
Thank you very much ☺ - Cal
Iron Hands
Arrooooooo!!! - (Probably Sunny)
I remember when they were Space Vikings, not Space Furries. Forever ruined, not helped by the fanboyism.
As a reminder: Space Wolves aren't vikings, they're wolf barbarians.
If you take the runes and naming convention away from them just about nothing about them remains viking/Norse/Germanic. From their unit structure, battle tactics, and just about everything else.
I have a very weird opinion about space wolves design. Mostly negative.
I liked them before the 5th edition redesign, but after the 5th edition codex they went too far in some places.
Space marines riding wolves, in my opinion, are done in a very poor taste. I just hate that concept. Especially since bikers exist.
Same with furs. They used to use them very sparingly, but after the 5th edition redesign, they turned into freaking walking carpets.
Logan on freaking floating land-slide is the peak if everything I don't enjoy about the space wolves.
So I might be in minority here, but I see primaris stripping them of their designs identity as a positive thing - I hope they'll be more moderate with design elements on their second try.
I see overdesigning divergent chapters as a designer mistake.
Imho, perfect situation is with black templars in terms of moderation.
I 100% see what you mean, like it's wolves all the way down. And I think like we said Lev_Koi did a much better job incorporating both the elements of the werewolf thing and the Nordic elements. I actually like the sled thing and the wolves because they are so over the top they loop all the way back to being cool again. I do think that design when you talk about the walking carpets yeah you're not wrong - Cal
So in your opinion it would be a bit more palatable if SW went more with runes sculpted into their armour instead of (over)use of furs and wolves?
EDIT. Personally, primaris stuff is way too plain for pretty much everyone besides Ultramarines
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow yup, really liked those concept arts, forgot to mention. Please include more of those community-made stuff, that idea is a banger idea. I really like how you are always willing to give the spotlight to other creatives and invent new ways to do it.
@@Jfk2Mr it's more about moderation or lack thereof than the exact design elements. But runes and ornaments sound cool as hell. They could even go further and try to implement not only Scandinavian esthetics and design elements, but also Celtic, Scottish and so on.
Upd: about primaris - they surely suck for SW, don't get me wrong, but I hope that they'll use it as a reboot to build new esthetics for the primaris SW that won't have the problems I mentioned. Right now primaris SW pack leader and primaris Ragnar look good in my eyes, and that gives me some optimism.
@@MrFiremagnet agreed
Why don't you try this with other culture?
Because everyone other than Europeana gets their knickers in a knot anytime you meme them.
*sigh* you are right to a degree but it's not everyone, often it's not even the people being shown. It's often Karens - Cal
Great video and great to know what Sunny knows before criticising the design, cause it was obvious she had been studying wh from other videos and it started to feel like cheating now. Great to see you showing self criticism and public centered development.
Also, i wonder how much improvised these videos are. If it is completely out of the blue there is great chemistry between you two.
Thanks so much! Yeah normally Cal does try to shield me from certain content so that we can continue the series with the premise intact but I think with this type of video it's inevitable to find out about things.
Normally we do plan out what we want to say with the breakdown and analysis portions but this time we were more loose with it I was really happy with how funny this video turned out ~Sunny
We may have been loose because we had another project fall through and we had to do this quite quickly. Would have liked to have some of the older art as we usually do and so on - Cal
"there are no wolves on Fenris"
Question for the lore experts: how does gw explain the EXTREME luck that it was to name a chapter "space wolves" and dress them like vikings, and later on find their primarch raised by wolves in an ice cold planet (with no vikings on it, but he had no problem to embrace vikingdom)? I mean, he could likely have been raised by gnorbolks, wich a species of squirrel-lizards that DO NOT exist on earth and are mostly choral-parasites from a water planet, for as much i know.
Almost every legion had some other name before they were reunited with their primarch. Some of them changed drastically, others feel like there's too much coincidences. But every coincidence can be attributed to Tzeench.
@@MrFiremagnet A wizard did it! THE wizard!
First?
You maybe be... but without the hearts and fire will you be the top comment? - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I might be one of the first (and I'm not, because UA-cam probably glitched)... But at what cost?
@@MrFiremagnet UA-cam has not been kind of recent, and I am not upset at all about he lied openly on the internet - Cal
I have been collecting and painting Space Wolves for over 30 years. GW definitely took the wolf theme too far. The crown jewel is the Stormwolf flyer. To me the snout design of the vehicle looks too much like the head of the Disney character Goofy. It is an image that cannot be unseen.
Now I can't unsee that