The Hidden Lore of Persona's Igor
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Who exactly is the long nose man from the Persona series? I've uncovered the truth but finding the answer sent me to some strange places...
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So after watching this.. you're telling me that the plot of Persona 6 will actually be that Igor becomes a magical girl in order for him to discover who he really is so that he can one day disappear/die. I like it
Proof that Igor has always been best girl
Hope so
Madoka Personaka
Igor my wifesona
Can't wait for Igor Romancing all characters arc
Can't wait for the p6 party to be Maki, Maya, ressurrected p3 protag, post arena elizabeth, reformed adachi, cognitive akechi, and a soul searching igor.
That sounds epic!
Wouldn't Want It Any Other Way
Lmao.
Fan Service, The Game.
And revelation mark as main villain.
You know what.... why not?
A persona game that solely made for the fan of the series like MGS4 is actually not a bad idea
What's interesting is that despite having the appearance of a classic villain, igor truly wants to save humanity from harm by giving the partys of each game their personas.
He's like a cool uncle that wants the kids to live great lives
Especially in P5 with him and lavenza creating morgana from the collective good will of humanity to guide joker in his effort to save humanity
He and his attendants follow the will of Philemon to make humanity the best version of themselves. That self actualization manifests in the final evolved Persona, like Messiah and Satanel
Igor was Philemon's loyal servant. So before Philemon left his position as Giver of Persona Power to Humans to take care of his enemies, Nyarlathotep. He gives responsibility to Igor in two tasks, such as, Igor being the Protagonist's mentor like Philemon or giving persona powers to the Human/Protagonist when Philemon is not there, as well as carrying out Persona Fusion in the Velvet Room with the help of his assistant. The Protagonist must also strengthen the power of his Persona by increasing friendly relations with his friends to awaken the potential of the Protagonist's Persona to become stronger by using Social Links.
I played persona 5 first and I did not pick up on any of the very obvious red flags.
The most obvious thing being his deep voice.
But the second is how he isn’t acting very humble when you greet him referring to himself as the master of the velvet room.
And finally there is the fact that he is one of the social links.
The real Igor always maintains a neutral stance.
I dont get what is ur point
@@interrupted_reverie GREAT
@@interrupted_reveriePeople who start with Persona 5 don't realize Igor seems different from normal because they never played the other games, it's not that hard to understand.
@@EmikaYamane7521 Exactly! I heard he gets possessed but I never heard his real voice before so I just thought that this Yaldabaoth character tries to control him for a bit at the end...no apparently he was possessed the entire time and hearing his real voice actually blew my mind.
The moment he said he was the master of the velvet room Ik he was a fake. The lad is too loyal to Philemon.
So to some extent, the key to Igor’s dilemma isn’t “if he has” a soul, but “if he wants” a soul. If humanity made the human heart then Igor must make the Igor heart.
I clicked on this expecting some superficial trivia but wow, you actually went above and beyond to collect the deepest, darkest deeplore. I appreciate it immensely.
The heart is a lot more meaningful seeing that you don't give it out like free candy. If you'd given a heart to both my comments it'd frankly mean less.
Best romance option in every persona game no question
15:50 mary says "perhaps the human heart was created by humanity itself"
that is like. the biggest tell im surprised noone picked up on. it literally plays directly into the idea of the collective unconscious which ALL of persona is built on.
In SMT this is also true. Humanity was created by YHWH/The Great Will, which also, paradoxically, was created by humanity as is with all supernatural entities.
Would also explain how Aigis and Sophia have personas.
@@4wingedowl Persona's aren't exclusive to humans, apparently you just need to have a personality (Teddy and Metis were shadows and still able to develop and use a persona)
@@thiago292yeah thats what i mean. i meant more in the case of what MEGten considers a heart
Velvet room, oh velvet room
My master has a long nose.
okay elizabeth
Shout outs to Victor for choosing goth girl assistant over Philemon choosing expired Pinnochio
So Igor vows to only leave the velvet room until he finds the answer regarding his existence makes me think of a possible way we would get the answer. I feel if the voice actor for Igor were to retire and atlus wants to respect the decision to retire the character, then and only then might we learn about such answer.
The reason why his voice/role was changed in Persona 5, was due to his original Japanese voice actor, Isamu Tanonaka, had passed away. It very well could mean that Igor won't be appearing anymore.
@@TheFluBugZ Igor does have a new VA in P5X (which is in fact voiced in Japanese), so that might mean that they've finally decided to recast him for appearances in future games as well.
@@p.j.3578 Oh, that's interesting to hear. We may see more of Igor yet.
@@p.j.3578 I could be wrong, but i remember hearing that P5X is made by a different developer known for bad spin offs that are practically plagiarism, Altus just gave them the okay. Also, the velvet attendants eyes aren’t yellow so i just. Don’t consider it canon
@@jonathan_byers_stan2416 are they not yellow in p5x? Damn
pretty insane you talked about all those inspirations and pinnocchio flew right over ur head as a strong option
Doll given life has a long nose which grows. Pretty obvious NGL
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WHERE IS LOBSTER DOG!?!?
Thanks for the video. And this gag 4:00
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Crazy? I've been crazy once...they locked me up in a room, a velvet room, a velvet room with personas. Personas? Personas make me crazy...crazy? I've been crazy once....
Idc what anyone else says, this is funny
Ok.
As someone who just watched the entirety of Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me and The Return within this last month; and as someone who's played a ton of Megaten games/spinoffs over the years- this was definitely a good analysis!
Along with Twin Peaks, I feel like there are so many unexplained characters and instances that even attempting to uncover any of their mysteries always leads to more questions. So much sYmBoLiSm in both series! I appreciate the lore video though, so keep 'em coming!
Like, any of Igor's assistants, we I think don't know where they come from. It's clear that they are not from the world(s) that Persona's protags come from, as they lack common knowledge over things that pretty much anyone else would know. Like, tossing money into a fountain doesn't actually grant you your wishes and there's no godly being managing such things, for example
I love the fact that you're entering into the world of video essays! This one was good and aligned with some theories I had heard and thought of. Great work! 😊
A simulacrum with a long nose, not knowing if he is real. Sounds abundantly Pinochio to me.
Igor is likely tied to Carl Jung and a caricature of Jung Himself. The posture and how he sits is similar to some pictures of Jung. Igor is also that gap in-between realms that collective unconscious that is between dream and reality. In ways Igor fits that archetype of the wise old man guiding the young hero on our journey. his knowledge of the persona's would also make sense because it was Carl Jung who believed that was why we used archetypes because every mythological creature and god or goddess fit into an archetype, all story telling tropes use to shape their personalities.
Not to mention, it was also Jung , who proposed the necessity to accept and integrate our shadow side in order to bring forth a unified self
To play into the Jung thing, he may be the archetype of the Animus, along with the Velvet room attendant as the Anima.
I really love that line of thinking.
Please do more video essays, you actually cooked so hard with this 🔥
You've definitely got something with that theory. I remember hearing that all the Velvet attendants were also named after Mary Shelley characters!
Great video! Excited to see more like this 👀
That was a great video. You definitely did your research and left no stone unturned.
Also, the idea of Igor leaving the Velvet Room every once in a while because he has found his answer is oddly touching.
this video is actually incredible, such a good job. thanks for making bangers all these years!
According to the wiki, there was some info about how the P1 characters hang out with Igor in his spare time. So I also saw his exit as potentially hanging out with them. Either way, i like to imagine you’re right too
Hell yeah man, so glad you're making essays now! This is really great, I was obsessed with Twin Peaks for a few years, specially when The Return came out. I'm glad I'm not the only one making the connection between Persona and the series hahaha
SPOILER WARNING FOR PERSONA 5 ENDING!!!
I interpreted Igor letting the twins do the fusion in 5 instead of doing it himself not as Igor getting Lazy, but rather a hint, along with the new VA, that that wasnt the real Igor.
This was fun, I’d like to see more of this
Never imagin you whould ever make an analysis video, but i love it. Also your "serious" voice is also hilarious.
Good to see someone talk about the references to Twin Peaks. I always made those connections to the velvet room. Good vid.
I must point out that when character enter Velvet room, those who are not Wild Cards mention that they were standing with blank faces there for a moment, so Velvet room is not a real place but a mind room.
bro did NOT pay attention 💀
Its between mind and matter, he says this at the start of 3, 4 and 5.
You know I asked around in the past whether there was any connection between Igor and Victor given the Frankenstein connection and them both conducting fusions for the player but no one could find any. I knew there had to be something more to it.
Following you just on the strength of this essay. Please do more essays like this, you did great here. :)
This was sooo good lol especially the impression at the end!
Not cited, but I believe Igor has very strong, or must I say, long reference to Tengus. Long nose yokais that cannot go to heaven or hell, which makes sense for Igor since he's not human, nor a demon. Tengus are also not entirely good, that also matches the fact that Igor seems to have a hidden agenda from the player, unlike his dolls.
Also not mentioned, but often overlooked, I wonder if Igor can sleep at all, since his eyes always appear to be tired. Not sure how it related to anything, maybe to allude that the velvet room isn't a dream nor reality? Since he owns the place, maybe he's in constant state of sleepwalk.
He's been very absent lately in the series, I hope he's brought back. He's an iconic figure of persona games. Thank you Johne for the video!
I feel like it's less that he has a hidden agenda and more that he has to take a hands-off approach. He's a fortune-teller who gives the protagonists the tools to solve the problem, but can't directly interfere himself.
SMTV already saw us losing Mido, so it would be a shame to lose Igor so soon after. Philemon's permanently in butterfly-form now, right? Might be interesting if he came back, maybe with a more stable cast instead of just an Attendant acting as a foil for the protagonist du jour.
High quality production right here, great job!
Thank you Johne for providing that very valuable information about the Sae picture
Okay, but explain how Igor can fit his nose under that mask at 0:22
pocket dimension
I was wondering the same thing.
An interesting video analysis. As someone who does video essays for school assignments, especially for Film Production, this was well done in my opinion. Hope to see more on the channel in the future. 😄👏
I’ve always viewed the plots of P3 onwards as plays on the basic foundations of Frankenstein.
Two Victor’s can be found in Philemon and Nyarlathotep, and two monsters can be found in our protag and their final enemy.
Naturally Frankenstein is a bit of a tragedy, but Philemon basically bets on the idea that if given the bonds denied to him the Monster can ascend and represent the best of Humanity.
It is a gamble setting the true Monster against the ideal of the Monster through the strength of bonds alone. This is why we have the luxury of gaining strength through our friendships, and why we have Igor and our attendants. The Monster we represent, while perhaps still lacking their Victor, has Igor to tend to their growing power by calling forth supernatural creatures and our attendant who serves as both a “maiden of fate” and a beacon of “loving guidance” even if they don’t always seem loving. Notably the attendants are all named after characters from Frankenstein who meet their deaths as I recall, making them an ideal marker of how far we can invert the tragedy of the Monster. That is to say, it we fail and fall to our otherwise predestined tragedy then the moment of our failure would be marked by death until at last we lose our Attendant and seal the tragic ending of the tale.
thank you John! Twin Peaks / BV are some of my favorite pieces of media. There's some Nocturne promo artwork that totally looks like the black lodge, too :-)
It makes me happy to see connections with lynch's work in these games because one of the first games i ever played, Link's Awakening, is directly inspired by the atmosphere of twin peaks. probably in no small part a reason why i love smt so much.
Yessss video essays!! I’m excited
This goes hard, I dont know if Ive commented but I love seeing your synposis videos.
Thanks for the video. I have been curious about igor, but never enough to do what you did and look through all that stuff. Thats some real dedication or self satisfaction. Either way thanks
Great video Johne! Also may the orignal Japanese VA for Igor RIP we shall miss him.
If he’s a doll questioning his humanity and his nose grows longer, then he’s a lot like Pinocchio. To assist the MC is saving his father from the belly of the whale- that very chaos which corrupts the human heart and creates beings like the demiurge Yaldabaoth.
The reason for uh, THAT picture in the art is so if my memory is correct for the models know what's clothes and what's not. I learned this from a xenoblade LP, the guy was talking about how he mistaked a picture of theory for the art books of the same nature as a bata desgin.
Thanks for the video Johnny
Great video, love this new format.
Nice! Looking forward to more video essays
Ok but can we talk about how he called the MC simulacrum which means by definition a picture or representation of someone/thing I think he broke the fourth wall
Sure, but the context of The Answer is that Aegis takes the role of MC and she's a robot with a persona, so she's in essence a simulacrum of humanity
I always thought he just looked like the Penguin from Batman Returns
Igor is actually just a doll made by Philemon
0:22 how did the mask fit when his nose looks like this ->🤥 💀
He ate it
I love the way he always wraps the journy up by calling his guest truly remarkable
Amazing video Johne!
That was fun! Also, Jimmy in a suit hits different
I love how the part of the video highlighted as "most replayed" is the part where you show the concept art of Sae in her underwear.
15:14 - A doll named Mary who's gained too much sentience? Giving me "Spirit Hunters: Death Mark" flashbacks... I simped for that doll so hard and what was my reward!? Depression :(
Love this love your content johne thank you for the education and entertainment
God bless you
“I assure you that the images of Yakuza Sae in lingerie is absolutely necessary for the character sheet John”
And we all thank that man for it.
Igor: Welcome to the Velvet Room
there was also cut content of igor showing up when you started a confidant in p5. idk if that counts as him leaving or doing wacky brain magic or something but there were ideas of showing him in the real worldish
Hell yeah, im all here for it!
New JohneeAwesome arc, let's goooo!
You can also check the character of Tall Man from Phantasm series
Holy i didnt know you made this. Funny, i noticed it was your voice mid way!
Bruh love when you make vids like this
You've got a real talent for research-vids in addition to the LP's! I bet this took you ages to do - maybe not three years, but still! XD Effort to be commended, my dude!
Thanks for the video dude, which sounds weird to say but Igor is actually a character I really enjoy from the games despite knowing very little of him. It's nice to see some spotlight thrown his way once in a while.
Great video! Honestly, it makes me wonder if Jose’s inclusion in P5R is a call back or attempt to loop that part of Igor’s backstory into Persona? The person who created him or asked him to look into humans is left unanswered a side from saying there are more people observing humanity than one might realize (which I think is also stated in Persona 4), and they both show interest in helping humans due to someone they knew previously. With both original creators and the director of 3-5 taking a backseat or moving on from the series I doubt we’ll ever get an answer to Igor and Jose’s origins.
Also… what sister?
Makes sense tbh. Jose would’ve been an addition by the ppl who are remaking P3 (Aigis is said to also have a similar journey to Igor).
Considering the rumors of said team including more P1-2 content in the future (party game and remakes), it might be building to something. It’s been mentioned in 4 as you said, so for them to just drop it seems unlikely.
Thanks, this was entertaining.
Dude h3 nailed igor voice in the end. That is so cool.
My heart stopped when I heard “Twin Peaks”. I hadn’t watched this video until now, but yesterday I decided to rewatch Twin Peaks on a completely random whim. I haven’t watched it in about three or four years. What are the odds?
Ahhh... Igor. Reminds me of the first time playing Persona 4. I thought he's an evil villain that will start his evil monolugue for the prolog like many other series I played/watched. I was fully wary of him when I started giving him my own name but eventually just forgot about all that the moment I had fun with persona fusion lol
Given that Igor's JP voice actor passed away and Atlus went out of their way not to recast him (instead re using old voice lines) and keeping him absent from all following spin offs, I think having Igor find the answer to his identity between Persona 5 and 6 would be a great way to write off the character and play tribute to his oldest lore.
Watching this really reminds me that igor japanese voice actor passed away..
The igor from p3 till p5 animation..
He really build good character and his journey to find the answer of his creation..
3:50 this is such a gem
I think another inspiration Igor has is Pinocchio.
They're both apparently puppets made by a creator and they are both finding humanity within themselves. There's also that mention of Igor's nose growing just like Pinocchio.
He was Pinocchio all along!?!?
Ok. SMT and persona ARE NOT separate franchises! And I'm not talking that Persona was for a time released under SMT Brand. But there is in fact a direct continuity between those games. SMT If is canon spin off, of mainline SMT games. And protagonist of this game is Tamaki Uchida. Yes. That side character from Persona 1 and 2's. Who even in the game mention that it is not the first time for her. Not to mention that in Persona 2 she work for Kuzunoha Detective Agency.
As side note. Persona 3 mention Nanjo Group what is owned by major character or Persona 1/2's. I personally believe that lab explosion mentioned in those games may be directly related to Persona 2 events.
Indeed. Persona 1 and 2 at least are basically confirmed to be in continuity with Devil Summoner. Like you said, Tamaki blatantly appears in both those games and directly references the events of SMT If, which are also referenced in Soul Hackers through the Karukozaka uniform and the demon delivery missions to Hazama. All the details about the Kuzunoha agency in the P2 duology from the uniforms to the symbol to the music perfectly line up with what the first Devil Summoner game gave us. I’m pretty sure Persona 2 even directly refers to Tamaki as a “devil summoner” in the original translation. There’s also an official guidebook or something like that which directly states that Daisuke Todoroki is possessed by Kyouji Kuzunoha which is a major plot point in the Devil Summoner games. There really isn’t any room for debate in regard to the connection between P1/2 and Devil Summoner. It’s a lot less clear with P3/4/5, but the small references to P2 in those games do suggest that Devil Summoner should still be in continuity with them, even if it’s never really acknowledged anymore. There’s also the unused lines about the P1 and P2 outfits in P5 which straight up confirm the events of those games as still being canon. This would transitively apply to Devil Summoner as well. Not great evidence thanks to the lines being unused, but evidence nonetheless.
@@NeutralOffensive It is just my theory, but I personally believe that Soul Hacker, because it take place in far future. In fact is earliest game in SMT timeline (I need finish new Soul Hacker to check is there is confirmation).
Anyway we do know that Stephen was working on teleportation and things did go off control, but I think it was rather technological singularity then actual demonic dimension. SMT5 make strong paralel to Persona franchise, alluding that every human to have own destined demon.
Strange Journey and Digital Devil Saga may actually take place before and after actual apocalypse. With strong implication that earth go through gray goo event. Then mainline SMT games take place in the Expanse (Virtual Reality) after that.
At one unspecified point world is recreated and reverted back to 90's. Devil Summoner games what take place in earlier past, may be related to historical obsession of one of corporate leaders, who create security program JHVH. But I'm not sure if time actually did go that far, or it was a subbranch of Expanse?
Anyway, there is strong implication that Persona, SMT3/5 and Devil Survivor games, may take place paralel to each other. But that is just my theory.
Now that scene in Hi-Fi Rush where 808 does that weird awkward dance makes sense lol.
Great video
I’ve always thought he resembled Mr. Noseybonk from Jigsaw. But this makes much more sense now lol.
You were truly a remarkable guest.
0:45 a rubber ro- oh, thank goodness
NO NOT THE RATS AGAIN
"Who is this long-nosed man?"
Well it sure as hell isn't our savior, God Usopp!
Am I the only one who thought mr burns was in the thumbnail
I was crying...and then you burped at the microphone
I know that he was granted Consciousness by Philemon
Okay but are we not gonna talk about the similarity of Mary and Marie from P4?
Doesn't have to mean anything, but I thought it's interesting
Damn, your Igor voice is really good!
Wild? I was wild once, they locked me in a room, a velvet room, a velvet room with arcana, arcana make me wild.
He looks like Yubaba in Spirited Away. We watched the film first then we think he looks familiar despite that Persona came earlier than Spirited Away.
Gah dayum is Sae Nijima hot when drawn like that
If he's there to discovery what he is too, then it must be a little depressing to assist a lot of different people and see they changing so much and discovering who they are, leaving satisfied while Igor remains there waiting for the next guest
I just got introduced to the Persona series with part 4 on PC. Purely coincidental, I named my character Dale Cooper, because I'm a huge Twin Peaks fan. Again, I knew NOTHING about the game, except that the Persona series was really popular, and a friend of mine loved it.
After playing for maybe an hour, I called up my friend and said "Is this just Twin Peaks?" And I said - outsider comes into town, finds an interdimensional room where events are hinted at, and then proceeds to set out to solve a high school murder.
Ngl, if Atlus ended up adding more Igor arc to the persona series with this premise then I would be so happy about it.
I just imagine Igor is not there for most of persona 6 or even all of it. Leaving his assistant/s to lead the fusions (causing more failed fusions) after time Igor finds what he is searching for for, but after something goes awry with the assistant/s running the velvet room that threatens something he has come to cherish he returns to the Velvet room. Tending to his work to make sure that the journey he took and what he came to love and cherish is safe through the only way he can. Supporting the journeys of those who come into the room. Occasionally leaving to enjoy the fruits of his journey, something that most others who enter the velvet room unfortunately don’t have the pleasure of doing.
Didnt know that they took alot of inspiration from twin peaks/ David Lynch. It explains alot of the uncanny Valley feeling of the games!
what a great video i loved this
Thanks so much!
For some reason I always assumed Igor was just a cartoony version of Carl Jung, since the games are based on his ideas...