Persona 5 Vanilla and Royal Differences - Prologue/Kamoshida Arc
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:07 - Corrections to First Video
3:41 - Opening/Main Menu Differences
6:00 - Prologue Differences
6:58 - Kasumi Prologue Introduction
8:05 - Difficulty Changes
9:25 - 4/9: First Day in Yongen
10:14 - 4/10: Kasumi Foreshadowing
12:39 - 4/11: Awakening to a New Power
15:53 - 4/12: Kamoshida's Palace Tutorial
18:03 - Gun Differences in Royal
20:26 - All-Out-Attack Changes
22:45 - New DLC in Royal
25:18 - 4/13: Banged-up Volleyball team
26:21 - 4/14: Chasing a Woman Down in the Subway
27:18 - 4/15: Maruki's First Appearance & Ann Awakens
28:18 - Maruki Sees the Phantom Thieves in the Real World
32:14 - 4/16: Goth Doctor Goth Doctor Goth Doctor Goth Doc
33:16 - Takemi Voice Actor Changed
34:31 - 4/17: Let's Buy Some Weapons
36:43 - Airsoft Shop Changes
38:12 - Infiltration Tools - Renamed, Removed & Changed
38:57 - 4/18: KAMOSHIDA PALACE: START!
41:20 - Baton Pass Changes
45:42 - Grappling Hook Introduction
47:03 - Kamoshida Book Puzzle Changes
48:39 - New! Disaster Shadows
49:01 - Returning! Savage Shadows
49:41 - Security Alert Differences (No More Getting Kicked Out)
50:56 - New & Unused Royal Kamoshida Statue Event
53:08 - New Mechanic! Will Seeds
54:10 - Kamoshida Rooftop Changes, Stealth Area is Now Optional, Not Removed*
55:11 - New Royal Elevator Room, Unused in Vanilla
1:00:19 - Removed Mini-Boss Room in Royal
1:01:50 - Less Morgana Sleepy Time & New/Changed Leblanc activities
1:03:08 - 4/19: Sending the Calling Card
1:03:38 - 4/20: SHADOW KAMOSHIDA FIGHT!: START
1:05:05 - Cognitive Mishima Joins the Fight
1:06:50 - Cognitive Shiho Joins the Fight
1:09:36 - Unused Royal Shadow Kamoshida Fight?
1:10:58 - New Royal Feature: Challenge Battles!
1:12:10 - 4/21: Challenge Battle Introduction
1:13:04 - 4/22: DVD Rental Changes
1:14:53 - 4/23: Friends Visit at Work
1:16:41 - 4/24: Home Shopping Changes
1:17:27 - 4/25: Unwrapping the Gift of Men
1:18:16 - 4/26: Ann is worried :(
1:18:54 - 4/27: How to Get a Girlfriend
1:20:08 - 4/30: Ann is no longer worried :)
1:20:24 - 5/2: CHANGE OF HEART DAY!
1:20:42 - 5/3: You Just Made the News
1:21:02 - 5/4: A Suspicious Bag from Iwai
1:21:49 - 5/5: CELEBRATION DAY!
1:23:09 - Outro
1:24:30 - Patreon + Other Memes
#screenments #persona5 #persona5royal - Ігри
PART 1 (Persona 5 Vanilla and Royal Differences - Major Changes): ua-cam.com/video/kER78nxqNw0/v-deo.html
Can't wait for the persona 3 reload video that's going to be on 2077
for real I thought this was an old video until I saw the date
Considering he would have to get the og p3 which is Japanese only and p3 fes is the version that got localized, p3p and it's port to consoles , and reload
@@nekogamer2508what? The og P3 got localized lmao, I think you are confusing it with og P2:IS which was only released in Japan
Kasumi: my weak self relied on you so much.
Joker who left her Confidant at level 1 and never looked back: I don't even know who you are.
NGL getting her to 4 at minimum would be rather useful, chaines hook is a very neat skill
P5R is my first experience with a blind playthrough. So when I noticed there's a bunch of unique character models sprinkled here and there I was a bit surprised. When I saw Haru in the story I thought "hey, you've been in the background a lot"
It's a really small change that I personally like. I don't remember if the original P3 did this, but P3R has a lot of social link characters hanging about in town during the Prologue, almost like the game is teasing you on the colorful people you'll meet.
@@analogbrayn It happens in P3
I’m very glad P5R is my first persona game where I went in completely blind and the only thing that was given to me was a reminder to rank up Maruki and Akechi
My memory is a bit foggy, but I remembered that in Vanilla, it takes guts to open the bag given by Iwai to reveal that it was a heavily modified model gun while in royal, it takes guts to approach Iwai about it
Vanilla and Royal are the same in that part, Joker just open the bag when he goes out of the store
You're probably referring to the fact you get to keep the gun in Royal, and it happens before you start Iwai's confidant. I didn't mention it only because its more of a confidant change than story change. Though, the guts requirement and way the confidant starts is still the same. In both cases its still asking about the bag, more accurately, why there was a heavily modified gun in it, since at that point you're used to Iwai only having non-modified airsoft guns. Obviously you go on to show interest in modifying weapons when and Iwai's confidant starts.
Whenever I heard maruki's voice again im reminded of his en va's passing rip Billy Kametz. In addition to that before he passed he got tweeted special artwork from official atlus to get well soon courtesy of Shigenori Soejima himself
So u missed that on 4/11 which is when u enter kamoshida after u go to school and Ryuji tells u to meet him at the top of the roof u see Haru on the third floor
Oh yea, that was a pretty cool addition in Royal
I had this in my notes but didn't mention it since it happens quite a bit in Royal in different areas and different examples of this concept can even be seen in the footage. Since there's bigger examples of foreshadowing (Like the Kasumi death one) I figured that'd be better to encompass the concept, but maybe I should've made that more clear
@@Screenments yeah I was actually curious if this was in vanilla too but no royal added it
W video
I also cant seem to replicate this anymord but I remembered in the kamoshida arc, Ann will talk about how she notices that there are well-taken care of plants being grown on the roof of the school, aluding to Haru
54:15 I'm going to be blunt it never occurred to me that you're meant to stealth past all of the savage shadows, I always just fought everything lol
I might be misremembering, but didn't Kawakami in Royal accidentally almost show the maid service pamphlet to Joker when she gives you your student ID? I don't remember it being in Vanilla.
That's from the anime. Pretty sure it's not in Royal.
you would be right. I can confirm this as I just got done doing a play through of royal not too long ago
@@jdhenshaw6119 It is in royal. I went through that part of the game during NG+ today and it does
Fuckk That's a good detail but its so subtle that I must've missed it (The dialogue isn't even different, it's just shown under the ID and there's an extra animation of Kawakami quickly swiping it back). I'll try to mention it at the beginning of the next video in the series
@@jdhenshaw6119 It was originally from the anime, but also added in Royal. Same case with the scene where Kawakami tries on some bikinis during the Hawaii trip
Shout out to UA-cam ads and their comedic timing in this video. Every time you said something along the lines of “take a listen” or indicated there was some footage following to listen/watch, UA-cam threw in an add. It was kinda hilarious.
Persona 5 Royal adding advertisements to the game wasn't a change I expected
I wonder if Takemi's original voice was a Trauma Center reference? Trauma Center is another Atlus series about doctors, and a reoccuring main character shares Takemi's voice actor- it's easy to hear if you look up Naomi's gameplay/story from Trauma Team.
This isn't the only Trauma Center, or specifically Trauma Team, reference in the game either. Music from Trauma Team and Trauma Center: New Blood is used during some of the doctor movies Joker can watch at home. And the specific chest scan on Takemi's wall is from a Diagnosis section in Trauma Team. (The other scans on her wall might be too but it's hard to say.)
So I wouldn't be surprised if Takemi's original English VA was chosen based on the fact that VA had already voiced a female doctor before.
it is only a minor point, but many of the train platform scenes and main story texts about waiting for the deadline change depending on palace progress, with 2-3 variants each. (havent secured the route to the treasure, havent sent the calling card, and the stress of being uncertain the change of heart will occur in time [after successful palace destruction]). The level of variance changes, but there is often a pretty large gap between the ones in which the palace is still standing and the uncertainty after the palace crumbles. The train platform scenes in particular often act as reminders and ways to commit to palace infiltration (or more accurately, going straight to the hideout when the day free-time block starts) before the palace falls, and are basically just space fillers if the palace has fallen. Between deadlines are a bit more unique, but the occasional mementos ask functions the same way as "lets infiltrate the palace" scenes.
Seeing party members about the town before they are unlocked also tend to have interesting gossip, and haru's during the kamoshida arc/prologue might be some of the most important as it is an easy to miss part of her character arc; for a confidant who's perks center around gardening, gardening itself is a new hobby she enters with trepidation as the semester you transfer into the school starts. Equally, it explains why the roof is unlocked despite being off limits to the general student body, which is a surprisingly important detail for the phantom thieves' call to action.
This is all true, but how much of it is different between Vanilla and Royal I wonder?
@@Screenments i wouldnt know, as a royal only player. (aka half the reason such a video exists). XD. It is more simply a comment on a bit of the video's narrative that didnt quite jive right with me. You comment on the scenes existing, but overlook the "why" that is answered by the fact each scene has multiple forms since you only experience the time filling variants. they dont have to be addressed directly if they lack any changes between versions, but there were plenty of ways to acknowledge the existence of the variants so that such confusion at the sentiment of their uselessness did not occur. "since we already cleared the palace, we have a meaningless train platform conversation." instead of "and on this day, we start with a meaningless train conversation". The difference is subtle, but it is enough to tell whether the variants are being acknowledged.
Haru is the more interesting point in my book, as it is her gossip that stands out to me on replays more than any other party preview rumors. I cant personally speak on its "differences", beyond seeing others mention that the conversations are exclusive to royal, but the context it gives to the first act and haru as a character stand out far more than "oooh look: castle windows are sparkly and sound as such in base game".
Ive only heard tales of the base game complaints, but the 2 big ones are bedtime warden morgana and haru not really having time to become a character outside of confidant ranks and extended media (like strikers or the animation). Well, haru's first arc gossip is one way to address the latter complaint. Guess i'll just have to wait for the confidant changes video that could also fit that change in nicely.
8:40 Love the little edits you made to the Joker cut in for the difficulties, made me wish they were in the game.
You missed something on the day where Shiho jumps. When Ryuji is telling you to go and see what's going on, his dialogue is now voiced, as is the smaller dialogue of him trying to go through people.
Something else worth noting, on the day that Ann awakens, there's an NPC in the school who says "We're gonna need to call him in earlier than planned" (or something to that effect). They're easy to miss, but it's during the bit where Joker and Mishima are chasing Ryuji. Another bit of foreshadowing to Maruki.
I've been waiting for this!
That cum chalice joke caught me off guard and I needed a minute to stop wheezing lmao
Good stuff! I'm really glad you've decided to continue this!!
So many people at this point were introduced to the game via Royal, including people I know, so I'll for sure be sharing this. Honestly I got to a point where I felt a little insane, with Royal being the common experience now I was starting to doubt my memory on what all was changed.
While there's little things I prefer and would enjoy experiencing again, such as the plot feeling tighter to me without Kasumi and Maruki, it's hard to justify playing the version without all the QOL tweaks, especially with Morgana making sure you can't do anything most nights.
A video like this lets me revisit and reminisce without the annoyances, so I really appreciate it
DUDE. YOU FINALLY MADE ANOTHER PART TO THIS SERIES LMAO
Fun fact: The grappling hook first made it's Debut in Joker's Tool kit in his Trip to Smash Bros
The kaleidoscope effect in Royal not only changes as you move, but you can also actually see the things around you in the kaleidoscope image.(ex: if you walk by Ryuji in P5R, you can actually see him in the kaleidoscope)
Oh shit, I never thought of 4/10 foreshadowing Kasumi at all! I thought it was focused purely based off of the actual accidents.
Thank you for making these it’s crazy how many people just think Royal added the 3rd semester and could have been simple dlc but there’s so so much more than that and is honestly why I prefer enhanced releases myself
Glad you're doing this series! Was always curious about the changes between versions and this is concise and well edited.
Thank you for taking the time to make a video as long as this while maintaining quality 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Finally you continued your series! I've been waiting since the first video - great work!
8:57 I think you forgot to mention merciless triples all technical, critical, and weakness damage, whether its party members or enemies. This in turn makes the game easier and allows you to cheese certain bosses (such as Okumura).
I’m so excited for the rest of this series!
Great video! Although I think there's something you've missed near the end of the Arc.
It's not really a key story event, but when you're choosing the name of the group in the restaurant, in Royal, there's an easter egg that's absent in the Vanilla game where if you follow Ann's suggestion to name the group "The Diamonds" then she has special dialogue to reflect that.
You also repeated the thing about the crossword puzzle differences at 1:02:45 and 1:19:31.
I'm glad you're back at it!
The amount of work you're putting into this series is kind of mind blowing lol thanks for doing it ❤
40:49 You may have gotten comments about this already, but the reason that the tracksuit designs were changed from Vanilla to Royal is to make their designs match up with both the in-game animated cutscenes and Persona 5 The Animation.
I just saw you forgot to mention the early Maid Kawakami foreshadowing during the first school visit which was added in Royal! A few of the newly added scenes in Royal first appeared in the anime including the Maid Kawakami foreshadowing.
Great video, man! Welp, see you in another two year
Please keep making these
the tekemiki new voice makes her sound her slightly less professional purely because her old one was extremely professional in my opinion the decreased professionalism fits better
Tekemiki?
@@henryconner3002 typo
God I forgot how good the vanilla title screen was.
Great work.
hoo boy alot to say, first off, thank you for making this video, I'm a player that could only start playing after persona 5 went multiplatform so i never had the chance to even see the original so i was always wondering the amount that's actually enhanced and this is pretty much the most fun way and at least largely comprehensive
now for the content
i am delighted to know that royal has added so many more voiced scenes because p3 reload was so chock full of voice acting i felt spoiled so it's interesting to know that it didn't come out of nowhere but is a pattern of increased efforts. truly it feels like the games are getting higher and higher in quality both gameplay and presentation-wise, something that's a benefit of having a long running series.
so for showing me all of that i thank you, even in gaming quality has been going up and down so its always nice to see when its more of a rising trend then another valley
13:21 As someone that’s not a persona fan, hearing Arsen talk here just sounded like Dagda without an Irish accent.
I never realized just how much added voice acting is in Royal. would’ve been cool if social links were fully voiced but that probably would’ve taken a lot of time.
I love it when Screen uploads a movie
I loved the level of detail and the inclusion of the unused stuff
It's Pretty admirable that Atlus could have been like most devs nowadays! Doing the activision special of the copy and paste method, and add a small amount of stuff like the dlc clothing and ship the game off! But they went far and beyond that concept, and that alone deserves them so much respect!
For the change for Takemi’s Clinic logo being changed in Royal, I can’t confirm but a likely theory is that the logo in Vanilla looks very similar to the logo of the Red Cross and was changed for legal reasons to avoid affiliation. This has been done before in video games where the Japanese version of EarthBound has a Red Cross logo on hospitals, but was changed in localized versions to avoid affiliation. My best guess is that they changed the logo to distinct itself further from the Red Cross.
So the EX Kamoshida reminds me of the EX bosses in the Mario and Luigi games where you can refight stronger alt colour versions of bosses so the theory that bosses would appear in challenge battle holds water imo as other games have done similar things, maybe it would also depend on having the will seeds?
Omg finally i watched this video months ago and finally lets gooooo
Thank you for your hardwork, I know for sure I will be excited when you go to meme entos comes
excellent work, really cool seeing the differences I missed. I am so sad Royal has unused content tho, we're never getting that shit lmao
45:00 i think for most vents it was definitely hand holding but there were some that were really hard to find and i either had to stumble around a bit or look it up. This didnt help in really large areas of palaces where i didnt know what to do next and almost had to search an entire chunk of it for a tiny hole on in the top corner of some random room
cant wait for part 2 when im in the nursing home!
One detail i noticed is that in royal your party members are staying behind while in vanilla 2 of your party members are in running in front at both left and right sides
I have a few things I noticed, but one of them is a difference that both P5 and Royal from PS4 has from Royal anywhere else: The button layout. The cuttout in the PS4 version is round, while it's kind of... exagonal in the new release?
Also, I dunno if you mentioned but P5 has auto-scroll for dialog BUT only in the options. P5R has it as a quick option during any dialog.
Another change I noticed is that in the battles, you have to press X three times in Vanilla to go through all items won, while Royal display all of them at once.
Finally one thing that I HATE they removed from Royal AND eventually from P3R is the fact that you don't have an in-game menu for writting your name.
You have to use the system keyboard or on PC, the actuall keyboard instead. I like how P5 and P5R on PS4 have the menus in-game and they removed for no reason.
i was so invested that i didn't realise that an hour and a third had passed
Tbh this is one of the things I really am enjoying about royal. I love replaying these palaces I'm familiar with and encountering all these small little new things everywhere
Man finally remembered to upload 👀
aahhaa that timeline looks insane, keeping track of that is insane props to you. how long did this take to render
Had fun watching.
Maybe it was just too minor but the one of the change i was hoping was notes was Arsène is spelled with an accent mark. I don't know why that stood out so much to me but it did.
4:0, that window sound effect actually lines up with the shadow’s foot steps?…maybe?
i love how i unknowingly put in the crossword mechanic twice
See you guys next year when part 3 drops
Gather round the tele kids, peak is back
Ha, I never realized that the "drawn to athletes" comment from Kawakami also included Kamoshida. I always just thought it was about Sumi and Ryuji
I never realized the part of maruki appearing on april even if they mentioned on November i thought it was like just added casually
This just makes me want to replay the game again, i definitely have time for another 100+ hour play-though
it would've been so cool if they added harder versions of the palace bosses as challenges. plus that shadow kamoshida EX looks super cool
7:29 gonna point this out WAY too early, but just in case. UIM, when you get to this moment later, if you change the battle music, this scene will also have it(mass destruction, lone prayer, groovy, etc)
It's honestly a huge disservice to the localization team to not mention that there are like a million rewrites in Royal to make sentences actually sound like real English instead of the original which has a LOT of grammatical errors. There are like twenty fixes in the first hour of the game alone.
The retranslation is mentioned in the first video, but some examples are given in this one
49:52 lol monas face
Hey @Screenments, can you do a Video Comparison Differences between Persona 4 Vanilla and Golden please?
8:56 you also forgot the merciless technical damage multiplier(just in case, have not finished the video yet)
Also 100% alert makes your party fight 3x3 every battle
Crazy how that new character was given so much screen time from the jump, compared to a certain other 'main cast member' introduced verrrryy late in the vanilla version
Joker flying while still in his idle pose is so menacing
It only took 2 yeats but I'm glad you did this so I didn't have to
34:03 most likely would’ve come from from one of Laura’s streams of the game. All of which can be found on her UA-cam channel.
Although that’s just my hypothesis.
14:57
Funny enough, he actually is my favorite :)
us Morgana fans gotta band together fr
Frankly I didn't expect there to be so many differences, and I have played through both versions multiple times. I didn't catch most of these at all.
random detail but i think takemi's icon changed on the map because every other icon is filled in with yellow, so the new one is made to fit in better
i can't take the phrase "this looks really cool" when joker is in the shot in swimtrunks 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Nice
Finallly
Wasn't there a small change to first phase kamoshida where he like... refused to use the gold knife attack?
I remember it from a challenge run of someone's but I don't remember if it was "he never uses it in royal" or "he never uses it if you have reflect" or something
Fun fact: The royal design of the track outfit was used in the anime
I'm actually with you on the Extra Boss Kamoshida @1:10:56 - I'm thinking it might've been something like the *X* Bosses from _Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story._ It was the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned the Extra Bosses and I saw his altered more gaudy appearance (ō∀ó )ゝ
Finally🔥
Switch might not have that All Out Attack fade to closer resemble Joker’s Final Smash.
Hey, you did it! At least you released the video before R.R. Martin's next book 😂 jk, congrats on finishing this. Hopefully the next parts won't take so long, this video was fun to watch!
1:15:04 I love this little rant about how easy getting a job is in the game, because when I first played p4g I was like 14 and had never had a job before and thought it was literally that easy to say “I want a job,” get it, then proceed to only work whenever you felt like it without suffering any consequences. The dream scenario lol
14:59 damn bro literally met his match 💀
Is it just me or when joker is sprinting in vanilla its a lot harder to engage in a battle, i often get ambushed when trying to attack while sprinting
Had to do a double take at around 1:19:50 you re-go over how crossword puzzles are different in persona 5 royal when it was covered previous at around 1:02:00
Vanilla crosswords piss me off so much I had to mention the change twice lol.
In reality, I probably did this by accident but at least the second time it's a little more in depth so it is what it is 🙃
@@Screenments Understandable, I didnt even know I could do crossword puzzles in OG P5, loved the video, cant wait for the future vids
I was playing royal for the third time, double dipped on ps5, and was just thinking if anyone had made a video abou the changes between vanilla a royal 😂
The different boss model for Kamoshida might have also been for adding a second phase to his boss fight, but that seems really hard for the first boss so if it was I can see why they removed it.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I never played Vanilla P5, but I believe Atlus could've and should've included the original's opening with *Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There* in Royal to go alongside Royal's opening with *Colors Flying High* .
i think wake up get up get out there plays eventually if you don’t push the start button
It doesn't@@lunar.nier1.22
It'd be nice if they included the opening that goes along with it as well. The original is really gorgeous and shows off the characters better imo (Royal's opening reminds me of P4 Golden, where it feels slightly compromised in the name of advertising new features).
It'd be cool if the original opening could occasionally play after sitting on the title screen
Hot take but Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There is a waaaay better opening than Colors Flying High
@@HollowAshes747 facts
You should really put the Confidant video earlier on, it make more sense to me.
Of course, we all like morgana
21:14 i agree, wished there was an option to disable it since P5 has cool and flashy moves like any phantom thieves are in different materials
20:40 THANK GOD I PLAYED ON THE SWITCH
Over one hour long video, I thought it was just the port