[Learning Midlane] Tethering/zoning/pressuring Part 2 - Reviews+Drawings
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- In this video, I'm going a little bit more in-depth by reviewing multiple games where a D5/P1 EUW player practiced in 1v1s against former Academy top laner Max Waldo.
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These videos have a bigger effect on the community than you think. Players will noticeably be better in soloq thanks to LS.
That's actually wrong. His viewer base is not big enough to have any real impact on the level of soloq. It might help individuals but not the masses.
It's much closer to chess than an action game. There are macro decisions every game and mechanics are just the execution part. The strategic value you speak of is more important than he mechanics and has way more emphasis. I mean, if you claim that the strategic value is close to zero then you obviously know nothing about the game. A game that is ever changing has less strategic value than a game like chess that never changes? Now that is ignorance if i have ever seen it. And a card game is more based on luck than any form of strategy. Even kids know that.
I guarantee you that most people watching this video are low elo players and they will stay low elo after watching it. There is a difference between watching a video and finding something out, and actually applying the new knowledge into one's own gameplay. I mean, these low elo players don't have the skill to even apply this knowledge in this video. They do not have good enough mechnics and their damage foresight and knowledge about matchups and ranges are not good enough. This means they can't apply it now and they will forget about it or they won't even try to apply it. You saw how hard it was for this D5 player to learn it. Now imagine some silver or gold player trying.
Well, not really. in order to actually practice this properly you have to spam 1v1's if you don't have a 1v1 friend then you're shit out of luck, you have to play full games which laning only happens for 12 minutes. That means if you are a loser and don't have a life, then you get to play maybe 9 games a day? So that's 9 laning phase practices that you got to do in a span of 9 hours. Good luck getting good, and if you claim you're climbing because of the video without a 1v1 partner then post your op.gg.
Doesnt have to be 9 games a day, split it into 5 games a day, 5 times a week, thats 25 1v1's a week. 100 a month. Not that bad, you dont have to be a no life to get bette at the game.
2 years later and your statement resonates so well. See many players in my soloQ games (d2 EUW) doing these things much more frequently now than before. Look at cheater recalling for example, noone was doing that in this elo 2 years ago, now everyone knows it
Idk why but I dont think this guy has ever thought about this before
yea sometrhing about him tells me he never thought of that before
Hatsune Uchiha you may be right, but it's hard to tell from the video
hahahahahaah :D
his problem I feel is more on the execution side of it.
Yeah but hear me out, it's like he, literally, never thought of this before.
This format is perfect. I know more goes into making them, but a video or two on each position would be absolutely invaluable. Thanks so much for putting the time and effort into these vids.
LS uploads a video right when I sit on the toilet, gunna be a long poop :(
did you mean ... :)
Any chance for a LS Dictionary™, explaining concepts such as tethering and jousting in detail?
I'm pretty sure "joust" is a champions ability to make favorable trades. I still have no idea what tethering is.
Vaprin Jousting is in fact how fast you can deal the enemy's current healthbar. The one who can do that FIRST determines the outcome of an all in.
Also, tethering is the act of holding a specific range between you and the opponent by walking back when the enemy walks forward and vice versa
Tethering term does not exist in league, it's invented from the actual word.
quote: "tie (an animal) with a rope or chain so as to restrict its movement."
Same thing as zoning, but you control enemy's movement, i suppose.
Tethering is the act to remain at a certain range from the enemy champion. This range varies, based on the range of your and your enemies' AA's, Skills, etc.
Picture Karma's W, for instance. Your main goal is to not break the tether, the chain that holds both champions together; but you also don't want to remain too close, getting free damage. So, if the enemy retreats, you advance. If he proceeds to engage, you take a step back.
Now, the thing is that Karma's W is a VISIBLE tether, but every matchup has its own.
By always remaning in the closest proximity to your enemy, whilst not taking any risks, your speed reaction increases, because when you take the opportunity to all in, your champion doesn't need to cover unnecessary distances (thus losing time and windows), because you're already at optimal distance.
"Coach by the way" love the banter between friends, nice video btw :)
He probably didn't make more videos like this on different matchups or lanes because all of the fundamental basics of the game you need are here. It would be redundant to make the same points over and over with different champions/lanes. What LS wants to convey to his audience are the possibilities that can be produced from those fundamental understandings, and from there, one day how to execute in real-time with dynamically changing variables will have to be figured out on your own. Practice makes perfect! All LS really does in this video is provide the perspective of high elo thinking during lane, and this doesnt even scratch the surface of the mountain of knowledge needed to be the cream of the crop.
Thanks, these videos are really helpful
I want a midgame tutorial video like this one
Holy fucking shit, like this guy said I can’t stop thinking about minions now, I need to watch this like 5 more times
Also SOME SUPER IMPORTANT
LS NEVER WARDED, WHEN THEY GUY WARDED THAT GAVE IRELIA TIME TO STACK PASIVE AND CONQUERER AND THEN SHE WENT IN. SO THE GUY WAS ALWAYS GIVEN A HARDER TIME
The problem is people see this, but can't perform. Seeing this and actually being able to do it are two different things. Speaking from NA Soloq in masters, most players know this but can't perform so this can take you pretty far. approaching melee vs. range, you can early thin the wave and then slow push the minions, but in some match ups, its better to hard shove first 2 waves and have third wave bounce back. You can't do this exact thing for every lane, dynamics matter. Spell Range/Wave Clear/Damage output are all things to consider. Each match up is different and if you can perform this and refine mid game, easy challenger. At least in NA..
wow make more like this but try to explain it even deeper with lines i like those colorfull lines :**
i can feel my skill rising! i'm really feeling it!
As a low elo player, this is enlightment to me
I would love more of those videos. My mind was blown. Ingame i acctually apply some of these minion control stats unconsciously. I never consciously acknowledged it and tried to improv on it though. More of these sessions for diffrent matchups would be appreciated. Although i know the basic gist of it doesn't change some matchups change the dynamic of it alot. Can be unedited footage like this aswell.
First time I watched a guy I coached who talked as much as u.. So much more entertaining
I need demonstrations on a range vs range matchup. Maybe LS and Max can do it in the future for a youtube video.
Please make more of these!!!
LS makes everything complicated as fuck with his league jargon when he could easily make it sound more simple and better receptive for his viewers, but people get fooled into thinking every word he says is legit. But it is his selling point.
Amazing info, but i would love a version of this for melee vs ranged matchups.
LS this is fucking PURE GOLD MAN Thank you for this, I will do my best to incorporate your minion control tactics into my own play.... this will take some time...
Can we get the toplane version of this too? Like an updated one for the new season
Basically the same thing
“I’ve literally never known this. I stomp mid lane but I literally never thought of this you can check my user I’ve literally never known this. I’ve been practicing midland but I’ve literally never known this you can check my op.gg I stomp everyone but I’ve literally never done this like literally never did this.”
LS u should do like a video vs range champions
"I literally haven't been thinking about any of that!"
Ethan Chiang not understanding any elements of wave control at d5 omegalul
Like... literally never thought about this, check my games I do most damage and out cs them but I Literally never knew that this existed. Literally check my games and I Literally out damage them all. Literally I've been playing mid Lane without knowing any of this. Just check my games I Literally just out dmg everyone but I never knew that I could do this. Literally if u hadn't told me about this I never would have known. Literally been walking around doing nothing and this stuff never crossed my mind. Literally I never knew about it. Check my op.gg I out dmg everyone literally without knowing any of this.
LOL Ethernanno ^^^^ this comment is super underrated
LOL Ethernanno LMAO HE DOES SAY LITERALLY EVERY 2 SECONDS
LS THIS GUDD!!!
Why does he keep saying the same thing over and over again? “Like I’ve literally never thought of that before”
I just saw a unicorn for the first time
I like this (first)
it sounds so simple and then the jungler comes and you are fcked :P
I really love your videos and i learn a lot, but my english is not the better and some times its dificult to understand some things. Continue doing videos like this! I would love more if you put spanish subtitles. ;D
Do a vid now how to play aggro when u’re melee or against range matchup
toplane please
can we get a learning adc/botlane??
But theres so much jungle Pressure?
I felt like Irelia could have played that a lot better, she could have tried all in lvl 1 or 2
Thank goodness. That "editor" bullshit was tedious. This is real content.
I actually don't harass too early just out of fear of being focused by an entire minion wave and losing 1/4th HP.
Just dont autoattack, poke with abilities. Autoing enemies makes minions focus you most abilities dont.
HighTaged Productions most of the abilities attract minion aggro for midlaners
singletarget abilities are not most of the abilities for midlaners last i checked.
Also : Easy fix you don't know when you will lose a quarter HP so try to focus on making that mistake so you learn to avoid it... or you know .. copy people :P
Kneecaps pog
Who's Stream was the footage taken from ? I'd like to watch the full thing if that is possible
What's the point of spamming tab in a 1v1?
Like how do you play this lane now that you take agro from abilities since you can’t walk up and harass her without the caster minions destroying you
Exactly as shown when LS plays in the videos.... this was recorded recently.
Abilities draw aggro if they're point and click, Ori has none of those. It's the auto attacks drawing aggro
oh hell yes, I am totally completely felt the same as this D5/P1 player/student, I never thought the existence of this hitting minion concept and had never thought of it that such of thing could exist, this is my first time realizing the consequence of hitting minions the way LS instructed, that made the wave morph into a certain state which makes LS gained an absolute dominating laning advantage, it's insane.
Yo how come LS plays as Bryce Walker but i also see Dekar playing as Bryce Walker?
Dekar is na, ls is korea
I play like a complete bitch, always have. I had actually made a smurf to play stronger early game champs with lane interactivity in hopes to learn something about actually taking a lead in lane and pushing it further rather than just forfeiting lane and roaming/playing through midgame. I think I just need to grow some balls to be honest. I understand the wave ergonomics but don't actually max advantage off them. These two videos showed really clearly how to do that. Sooooo I'd like to see more.
LS what patch is this played on? And does this strategy change with how the Agro works now because even abilities cause you to take agro from minions?
this was streamed like one month ago
this is the fundamental you need to learn regardless of patches and champions. You should be able to this on any champion whenever you can and you will eventually climb.
Can we see ori player play a real game?
rivals of aether
I have a question, would you still do this against an early game jg like j4 or xin? if they gank while you are zoning so far up you will most likely have to blow a sum. in that situation would you want to pull the wave, freeze right before tower hits the minions and then start zoning like this?
Vincent The One --- There is a very good Video on that Problem.
Its from the channel Skillcapped and its called (Three wave strategy - Bjergsen )
Lvl 2 ganks can be problematic but easily evaded by dropping a ward and then staying closer to the warded river. You can setup wave to bounce back to you so that it is shoving into you when the ward is dying. This way you can stay closer to turret and still be safe when your ward is dead
My Question is that how do you counter this tethering method. Is there a way for you prevent this from happening before it gets out of control or do you wait until the player makes a mistake?
Naol Duguma If you can leverage your minions in trades then you can win them more frequently than your enemy
depends on the matchup. if you're vs a hard counter then there's not much you can do. but in the matchup shown in the video all irelia needs to do is get to level 6, because at that point she has kill advantage.
i'm outdmging everyone in gold without even playing well i don't get it.
Guys I think he hasn't been thinking about any of that, idk tho.
LS i know this stuff, please can you make video on when its best to split push
Foggedftw has made like 5 hours tryndamere guide, in which there is a general section on how, and when to splitpush, and how to ward when doing that.
I think warding spots could be improved but general ideas of how to splitpush presented by him was very good.
Now you dont need to watch entire guide, in his video descriptions there are timestamps, so you can just skip right to the splitpushing part.
Remember to watch in 1.5 speed.
thx for telling me his channel, that guy is awesome man, suepr good.
Hey mind sending me that 5 hour video? I can't find it.
Its not, its made out of 6 videos, about 50 minutes each.
And you literally type in tryndamere guide on yt and its first result lul.
ua-cam.com/video/EmmEnnPNwbw/v-deo.html
Thats part 1 of beginners guide.
There's also intermediate and advanced guide.
There are timestamps in every one of them, if u want to just find splitpush things not connected to tryndamere you can do it using timestamps.
Could someone explain why his taught to hit 2 melees and 1caster before trading?
Roy Koper he hits the 2 melee so that they don't die all at once. This makes it possible to CS them.
He hits the ranged minion to weaken the opposing wave even more which helps shove the wave which helps him get lvl 2 first and gives him lane priority.
Lightly shoving like this also gives you the ability to choose when you want to get the wave under the tower. Sometimes you can deny him Cs or eat into his mana by shoving the wave under tower when your minions are at awkward hp values.
Ranged minions deal high damage so even if you kill one of them, that will make you take less damage when trading.
Sometimes you don't want to kill the ranged minion if this results in your minions being killed without the enemy being in exp range due to zoning
Elwyn John oh that makes sense, thanks for your elaborate response!
Does this apply to assassins?
All mele/short ranged
Hi
Is the tierlist still coming out?
Kidish ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE
Yes sir
the audio is so low for LS but not for the guy
good guide. but i think your enemy should have waited and not using abilities to cs, but soak the exp only.
It's not worth spending mana and abilities rather than trading, because orianna gets full control of the lane.
no, irelia doesn't need to focus on trading with orianna because she wins lvl6+, and of course irelia and/or orianna would have backed by that time, so trading would basically be useless. it's good for her to be focusing on cs because it means at 6 she will have an even more kill pressure... you clearly have no idea about this matchup so don't even try to criticize how they play
It's a good suggestion, but if that's the case, orianna would theoretically win due to a cs lead. The More CS you have the earlier you can get your core items which can lead to a powerspike.
Also, I don't know if this is right so correct me, do you gain a little bit more exp if you kill the minion? Idk
no, you don't.
you're joking me right? you realise the irelia is diamond in korea. he knows how to play irelia a lot better than you both do
what do you mean by not to cs and just soak xp and wait for lvl3 for an all in...? if the orianna is good enough to keep the tether nicely the irelia is just immensely behind. this is a play which relies on the opponents to make mistakes which is not the ideal way to play the game.
Holy shit we can't Spell midlane
What does he mean by tether range?
or tethering?
I think it is similar to zoning, whereas tethering refers to restricting the enemy laners movement, but Im not to sure myself, maybe somebody else can explain it better/correctly
Keeping certain distance to your opponent, so if he moves to you, you move away, and if he moves away, you chase him, but never cross imaginary line. Imagine using karma w or leblanc e.
If you move too far away, tether breaks.
Why do you want to do that?
Distance depends on the opponent, you want to make sure that if they step to close to you, you can attack them, but you don't want them to be able to attack you first.
That kinda thing.
Did I explain it?
Lyureon Teivis Yes thats correct, it comes from tekken and its called footsies
He means karma W that exists between every champion.
Nothing comes from tekken...
is this the south african guy?
smash bros influenced this
did no one else notice that the names are from 13 reasons why
Everyone noticed weeks ago, thats why you dont see people commenting on it.
Annie pulled me out of silver and she is really all I play in ranked. My win rate is over 60% and I have around 120 games this season. Would it be wise to learn orianna or should I still just stick with Annie until I'm out of gold?
Zed Main annie.
Zed Main oriannas laning is not as straight forward as annie, csing is more difficult, the poke is harder to manage in timing, your engagetimers/cooldowns are just harder, if you want to improve and climb while at it, it’s Annie until at least diamond
Also the Teamfights are more positional, in general, to get better as fast as possible and obviously climb in the process, Annie is your girl
xThvnd3rstorm thanks for the tips man. Annie is my queen.
Zed Main It's funny when 'Zed Main' says that
Jorik I played zed when I was bronze. I came to my senses and realize zed is to hard. Now I only play annie
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Is this guy d5 NA and hardstuck g1 on korea?xD
p1/d5 euw he got a brittish accent and its stated in the description :)
Lewus AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO FUNNY LOOOOOOOOOLL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
can't even spell midlane!
thats not a british accent lol, he's south african
brittish accent in South Africa LUL
Im early :D
you shouldn't be coaching, l2p first.
Dude, this is literally every coaching session, he gets what you mean.
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5 minutes of the video was " you know what I mean?" If you've watched any ls coaches diamond+ laner, you teach them about the same thing, maybe to a different degree of detail or level and everybody's response is also the same. Idk why this orianna thinks you don't understand how he feels.
he just literally said "I never thought of that" and even then, there are many things which can be dismissed as "I already know" that you actually don't know, and the role of a good coach is to show them to you so that you don't get scammzed.
omar el amrani dude, can you even read? yes, he did say that. In fact, he said that for 5 full minutes of the video. wtf are you even quoting? If I didn't know better, i'd think you were trying to prove my point, because that's exactly what you're doing.
Video like this but in the Support role please T_T
this guy is so cringe tho
the british guy? how? I think he was just expressing his appreciation for LS opening his eyes, maybe a bit too much because he's excited, but it's not "cringe" unless you're 12
nobody there is british, u can tell by their accents, none of them are british
- british person
King Of Clubs Mord not really you’re just socially inept.
are u seeing things ?XD
It says hes from EUW, doesn't mean he is british - his accent is anything but
how much does this particular coaching session cost him? wow it's so vauable. you can literally turn into a diamond, even
U dont need this for diamond its more for d2+
I just saw a unicorn from this video holy shit