[Coaching] FNC`Nemesis and LS coaching Master Orianna
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- This is a coaching session where the Orianna player actually plays against Nemesis in his game. Because of this I invited Nemesis to the call and asked if he wanted to partake in the coaching session.
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Me: *Goes to psychologist*
The Psychologist: "We're gonna identify this problem as lane A"
AAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Guy: "I don't think I could've done much better."
LS after 14 mins: "this is all just losing."
The more of these I watch, the more I realize that I'm not even playing the same game as these guys. Absolutely blows my mind how deep and complex this game really is at a pro level.
Well, if you play for some time an do not understand that the game is that complex, then you obviously do not have the mindset to play such a game (or most games, in general) and be in a position to climb. No flame, it's just how different minds operate and are able to grasp and identify how certain things work.
To put this into perspective, just think about how most parents just say "ugh, these are kids' games, go do something more adult", completely missing the point that this "game" is actually so much harder and requires so much more skill and mind capacity than most other "adult" things require. And the real problem is that most kids or even adults accept this perception and think that "ok, it's a kids' game" and then go into a mindset that there's nothing really more to this, when, in reality, it's such a deep game and there are so many things that can happen, to the point that it needs very strong mental capacity and perception, amongst other things, to be able to be good at this game.
ArcaneTricksterRS at a higher level. Most of us are content with just killing each other and shit talking.
I never said I was trying to climb or didn't understand the concepts. I get that, I'm also not trying to say I never saw deeper than surface level. I'm just discovering new things and seeing just how deep the game really is and its astonishing.
@@ReptarTheUgly Well, that's what's missing from people. Competitiveness. I know not everyone is the same, but I believe competition is something that everyone should have, and should be shown during ranked games, and not just "for fun" shit talking etc
@@TheHumanHighlighter Well, I wasn't referring specifically to you, but ye I see your point.
LS is like the Gordon Ramsay of League
I mean, they are pretty much different in every single way, but except for that I'd agree!
Except gordon ramsay can actually cook he isnt just a theoretical cook
@@williamschlass4598 LS is good in the game. KR masters is above some LCS players. Why everyone forgets that.
@@ludenstempest8244 Na LCS well...maybe, but not LEC.Korean solo q is not really much harder than EUW solo q
@@adyn8244 korean solo q is literally stacked with lpl and lck players. Two top tier regions playing on one server is just too strong
LS and Nemesis. Golden duo.
Basicly how the world malding got raised balding (Nemesis) and mad (ls)
Nemesis isn’t balding...
“But why don’t you ever think about how the enemy Viktor *feels~* 😔💔”
flashbacks to the Riven vs Kennen coaching session.
cue *FEEL IT, I WANT YOU TO FEEL IT*
This has to be the coolest coaching video on UA-cam, having the pro player you just played vs in the call.
"liandrys deals more dmg when enemies are slowed???"
Coach btw
@@ludenstempest8244 Dealing ability damage applies a damage over time effect for 3 seconds that deals a total of 4.5% of target's maximum health bonus magic damage, with each tick of damage occurring every 0.5 seconds. This total damage is increased to 7.5% of target's maximum health against slowed or immobilized units, and capped at 100 damage per second against monsters.
This is a really importiant coaching session.
this gets commented on like every vid he makes lmfao
@@rayge4478 It might be, but Orianna is one of those champions who allways can have a winning lane in CS lead/pressure etc if played correctly this is an great example of how it is difficult to play her correctly even by good players. LS is a beast to see Oriannas potential.
Hands down, in terms of coaching with real passion, I really think inviting the enemy midlaner to the call was one of the coolest thing I've seen in sports coach do. I do have a few questions if you have time.
you know LS is about to bust down a fat explanation when he identifies this as wave a
This Nemesis-LS love-hate relationship is gold. Started as a mocking from one to the other and slowly transitioned to symbiosis benefiting in good content :()
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@@LSXYZ9 Snooker is like billiards/pool
LS: *five minute explanation of how to play incoming waves*
Nemesis: ah fucking rune RNG
I was watching this live, the guy got such a good deal.
HNY LS. I'm plat and I didn't find it overcomplicated, I think silver and below might not be able to understand but then again this is coaching for a masters player. That said, "stop playing on autopilot" is pretty blunt and concise is it not? It's probably the biggest mistake in low elo and people might not want to hear they're stuck and it's their own ignorance but it's largely the truth. Thanks for the great content once again mate.
Guy at the beginning: makes a good snooker analogy
LS: I don't know what that is
LS at the end: Do you watch DBZ?
Nemesis: No
LS: Fuck you
LS doesn't know what Snooker is? Really???
wtf is snooker
@@slm0nw174 it's pool but a bit different
@@saki1333 a lot different
I just figured since hes so knowledgeable on games e.g. poker, he'd know, not that everyone would know! But must be a european thing
He prob knows but don't know how it relates to each other.
Hey LS, it's everyo- oh wait wrong video
a lot of fnc videos pop up in my recommended about the players, excited to watch this gonna be a good one.
I see LS has been digging that Fogged content. First video on play next is his Sett full tank/health build.
13:25 c'mon... LS is a freaking robot dude
Aka LS and his perfect world
Great Videos, love to see these published and are unique to other content. Please keep them coming.
missed this, upload more yutub vids pls LS
The “you’re overcomplicating it” thing tilted me a little bit too. Like it’s not overcomplicated, there’s just so many intricacies and interactions that people need to be aware of when making decisions. It gives you so much control over what you can do individually for yourself and your team instead of doing something useless like blaming everyone else.
But hey that’s what happens when we live in a world with people who are accustomed to instant gratification I guess.
agreed also he is talking to gran master player, at what ello not knowing wave management can lose you games.
coaching at its finest 9:31
The Fogged video recommendation LOL
professor akali at his finest
wow i cant imagine being coached by LS and the mid laner i was against AND that enemy being Nemesis himself
i thought this was gonna be LS coaching nemesis cause my notificacion didn't show the whole title
Hard analysis but fair, if he wants to really lean from a savant
LS stream has gotten so good.
17:04 What is meant by getting out of it? Like, should he just have shoved, let Vik push, roam? -Garbage elo trying to learn, and i really have a lot to learn. It feels as if i don't even understand the surface. Thanks LS for showing how little i actually understand
Just play annie
@@antoniodostinov2229 So original...
xd bro they arent gods chill dude ls and nemesis keep shiting on doinb without even admitting or explaining how hes the mvp of the worlds best team becasue of their egos meanwhile getting a mental breackdown because of his freezing thing fcking
hypocrite
I understood the the joking around. I'm talking about the lane state that Ori had to get out of. I want to understand what he could have/should have done to get out of the situation ^^
@@JoeMama-ik7qf Delusional
You told the player to spam Syndra for 300 games to get a better understanding of early game. What champion would you advise for bot to learn the same thing? Is Lucian good for this? He is S tier in the role learning list.
Probably sivir/ez/Cait
@@turdle69420 never ezreal. Ezreal is a cheat adc with too much leeway if u want to learn how to lane dont play ez. Might as well learn how to play mid with pyke
Play a control mage vs control mage in 2019
Wow thats rare
I havent watched it yet, maybe later. But iam alredy a fan of it because the thumb nail is a loading screen :^)
I think the point when you overcomplicate is that you're not conmunicating in a way that is easily understandable to most players. Like it sounds cool to talk about waves a,b,c,d, and draw on the screen, but its difficult to imagine for the ordinary player. It would be more useful if you could pull two similar games where it's done right and wrong as a more vivid example (see sabers UA-cam)
The fact a player like this can make it to master omegalul
This was pretty cool.
LS coaching master
LS is the real deal.
Why is Dark Seal the correct choice once you’ve acknowledged you’re losing lane? I’ve always seen at as a ‘rich get richer’ item, thanks to the passive. Is it just for the bonus potion healing to help with lane sustain?
Yes and u can resell for very high. So u dont lose money as you would if u stacked dorans
Ls aka lacking shame is the lol twitter user of the year winner.
can you coach Doinb next?
:D haha , pacsi .
@@ludenstempest8244 high five, beszélni magyartot nem
kind of impossible mission to train 4 year pro player who developed very specific play style with all team playing by his rules and his shot calling. Many would agree his lanning is not the best but i can guaranty DoinB know himself there he makes mistakes and is unwilling to change or just ignores laning and focus on other aspect of the game.
@@mindeee999 is this troll comment?
How can I know if a champion is better for red or blue side?
more ls!
After watching this I know why I’m only gold..
Dat Yuumi and Vlad tho
bro like what the fck are these i never ever thought of these like do i even play the game whattt my guy has in his head what to do against every matchup on everysingle lane
Doinb saw it! :D
Nemesis and LS is a love story you never knew you wanted.
I clicked to see what the coaching would be over since its master rank. skipped to about 9:15 and I think I had a fucking stroke trying to understand any of it...
LS mentions Ucal's streams -- does anyone know where these can be found? Searching on afreeca and google turns up with nothing.
www.twitch.tv/ucal68/
@@Icyeagle28 cool, thanks man.
Hey everyone, it's LS
Can someone explain what does wave "ABCD" means or link to a video where it is explained? I was watching these recent coaching sessions and they all mention it but I have no idea what it means...
muncho weiro LS is basically predicting how the next waves are going to play out based on the matchup and what each player’s goal is on each wave.
Wave ABCD means the next 4 waves, using letters instead of “wave 1,2...”
@@praise_val I see, Im having a bit trouble understanding what it means by skipping "B and C" and right to D directly. Mind elaborating that a bit too? Thanks.
muncho weiro For sure, it’s super complex so don’t worry about it.
When he takes wave 3 as “Wave A”, he starts by explaining that since he has played waves 1 and 2 badly, all his next waves until “Wave D” (which would be wave 6) can’t be played with a win condition in mind, in other words he needs to “concede the lane” and wait until basically wave 6 in order to have any opportunity of doing anything to viktor. The lane is basically even at wave 6. That way, he has to “skip” (Either stall or crash the wave and go back to base) the next few waves, in order to arrive at 6 in a favorable state.
I don’t know what rank are you but if this seems too complicated it’s because it is, and if you don’t know the fundamentals of the game, watching this type of sessions could do more harm than good
@@praise_val I played like 200 ranked game sand got to diamond 4 in NA, but I am trying to learn the game more and to get better. Is there a reason why he would start to win at wave D instead of, say, wave E or something?
muncho weiro Honestly, im not sure as to why, im assuming that it is because a 900g orianna back is superior to a 900g viktor back, but i could be completely wrong so take it with a grain of salt.
What does 1150 and 1250 get you itemwise ( in vid at about 4:08 )
2 Inpress Hexcore upgrade at 1150, not sure what’s at 1250 tbh
@@shadenym5094 i was assumin,g lost chapter, but thats 1300 so i dont really know why, maybe hese counting the time you need to base, but still its odd
@@2inpress232 hey said he has futures market so...probably that, in the early game
Probably hexcore in 1150, 1250 most likely is hexcore and control wards.
As if it's hard to explain what snooker is 😆
When do you buy liandries instead of orb?
tanky team
Beefy teams cause liandries does %hp. Rlly good item to get on ori regardless imo since ur qw poke procs cc passive on liandries and good shockwaves will apply on all enemies anyways
@@god4943 Thank you, but i still see alot of champions building it even though they are not facing heavy tanky enemies. I mean when does it become better than the magic penetration that Orb offers, when you are not facing heavy tanks? (if that makes sence)
Raze u can situationally build it on some champs to counteract tanks sure but it still is a core item to a lot of champs ( just like u would always start let’s say gunblade on akali regardless the team ur against) since the burn passive synergizes well with dots and the damage becomes insane paired with rylais. Ull typically see liandries rylais on champs like: brand malzahar amumu mordekaizer etc.
I dont understand, what is being overcomplicated?
pog
Whats LS elo?
around diamond to masters on the Korea server
The disrespect on Doinb continues
Hard to believe this guy is master tho
Is this supposed to be Challanger? Even Diamonds play better.
Why does one of the best mid at S9 worlds needs coaching? :thinking:
He's helping coach not getting the coaching
Everyone needs coaching. Nemesis has multiple coaches on staff, and still watches LS.
Wouldn't you like to be coached by someone who destroys diamond in freaking Korea?
lol
Twitch Prime
this dude doesnt have a mindset he just play x) how people can get high elo just like that , he is as bad as me and im gold-silver (because this is the same shitt i do and im learning a lot from this)
no it's not
Noobisis XD
im kind of speechless as of how clueless pro or masters are.
Wtf.. its like they just merely made it to the next ranks with match up knowledge and nothing else
.... hahaha yup. It’s just mechanics taking people so far.
I don't watch a lot of these but LS criticizes like he is coaching live. Of course a lot of these "mistakes" are going to be repeated because that is how the player feels he should be playing.
It's better to point it out again so the client understands it's a recurring problem that has more to do with his thought process rather than a lapse in reasoning.
Sometimes you make the wrong move because you're not thinking at the time and those mistakes don't happen again, but if it's a mistake that happens again and again, it's a problem with your thought process.
LS is smart but so childish and sometimes that clouds his judgment
For example ?
@@ronny584 literally the entire video lol
@@theWebWizrd Well from that respond I can tell how is your brain. Get some help
That’s literally like saying, “Just look at the news,” when somebody asks you a politics related question. There’s a reason that we’re asking you and not going through like, 5 articles. If we’re asking, we obviously don’t comprehend your thought process. And we obviously don’t want to spend 1 hour rewatching and trying to comprehend the video when you can literally spend 3 minutes or less explaining to us.
EUW master is terrible wtf
Its S9 Master so ofc its bad
Like you are spotting what he's doing wrong
And just imagine how incredibly terrible you are in comparison!