I don’t think I will ever have such a nice .22 rifle, but I am glued to this series of videos! If it were anyone other than Buffalo I doubt I’d pay attention.
Some guns and some ammo just don't get along. That's a fact of life, and it's why it's so important to test several types of ammo before deciding on one for a critical application like hunting. You did a fine job testing this one. Good work!
Always interesting! I can't wait for my new CZ 455 LUX in .17 HMR to arrive, so I can continue with my own shooting tests. This series is good fun too.
Love the 22 ammo comparisons. If someone had just shot that 5 shot middle group they would have thought this ammo was awesome. Thanks for going the extra mile.
I have a 40x rimfire that loves the popo midas +. I'm kinda tired of lookin and shootin high grade ammo..I've kinda got to the place where I shoot standard ammo in all my 22s. Just save the midas + when I want to shoot bug holes with my 52d winchester or 40x.
Shooting 22LR at 32F is frustrating at best. In my 457 At One I found best performance with SK Pistol Match. Every rifle is different. Shooting 22 for precision accuracy can be maddening during best conditions. I'm enjoying all of your videos. Thanks
Same way I say lapua but that’s how I’ve heard it pronounced on every channel I follow. Great video as always. Love that rifle, hope to get one someday
Took My MTR to the range the first time yesterday, and got very good results from the Aguila Target Competition. With not even 100 rounds fired from the rifle yet.
"Go ahead type in your comments about how I'm pronouncing Lapua wrong." Hilarious 😂😃😄. Buffalo you had me laughing at the start. You also have me shopping for a new cz in 22lr. Great video, keep them coming.
I have been waiting so long for testing on this rifle as I am considering it for a competition rifle and cannot afford a Anschutz. Thank you very much! Would love to see what that rifle can do when you use it with a full benchrest competition setup as in a joystick front rest, wind flags etc. If I look at your conditions I am sure it is one of the biggest variables in your groups. With wind flags and weighing your ammunition I am sure that rifle will shoot one hole groups all day.
Caldwell also makes lil rubber feet for the bench rest spikes. I got some for when i am shooting on a surface other than wood and I don't want to scratch it up.
Thanks for the video. I shot some 22lr. years ago named Hanson. Was the best i found back then. I wish it was still made. It shot really good out of my rifle and pistol.
Buffalo, you always go above and beyond with your shooting videos and you always have a good variety and awesome content.Nice shooting to and be safe.Happy Holidays!
Doesn’t matter how you say Lapua. What matters is group size. Sk standard plus has been the best performer so far in my 457s. The lot I have now is beating center-x and Midas+. The next lot I get could be totally different. I do think a tuner would do wonders for those groups of Midas+ you shot. Thanks for making the video.
I know it’s a lot of extra work. But next time try loading each round separate and see if that gets rid of your fliers. I was having the same problem and when I tried loading each round separate instead of putting them in the magazine, it really helped. I read it on another site. Sometimes the bullet can get scarred when it is being pushed in from the magazine. They actually make a single shot adapter for your rifle. So that tells me maybe it can be a problem. I like your videos. Thanks for taking the time to make them.
Hi I have one of these MTR's plus the CZ457 varmint. Both shoot identical groups. Have tested plenty of Lapua ammo over the years in all types of Rimfire rifles. Currently the best is SK Long Range Match in the CZ457, 455, 452 models. Lapua Midas plus has fliers from testing I've done. X Act had heaps of fliers, was too expensive no one bought it. it was deleted from inventory in Aus well over six years ago. All of my CZ's will do 10 shot groups @ 50mtrs around the 8.5mm mark. with SKLR Match ammo. Centre-X is also not worth the dollars unless you want to shoot a few dozen different batches to find something acceptable. As with everything Rimfire its all about what the firearm likes.
I think you're shooting great, something I have noticed with every cz I have owned is that they all shot exactly like this early in their barrel life. One really tight cloverleaf and a satellite. After about 1500 rounds the satellite would eventually draw in and the rifle or pistol would shoot lights out from there. I also rarely cleaned the boars.
Love your videos Buffalo. Love the rifle as well. I have a CZ 452 that I need to shoot one of these days but after watching your vids, might have to pick up a 457 as well!
I believe you will discover a brand of ammunition that provides good accuracy at a much lower price. Keep your eye on the most consistent average velocities over all 25 rounds. It is a good indication that tells you some important information. I tested one brand of ammo that produced an average deviation of 6 feet per-second. That was amazing consistency and so was cost of the ammo. I then; tested others to see what they produced. I stayed away from bulk packs and stuck to boxed ammo. Just figured dumping ammo in cans and boxes might cause some issues. I was on the frugal side being a penny-pincher; the fewer boxes of $25 dollar 22 shells I needed to buy the better. I talked to quite a few old target shooters and none cleaned their barrels. Unless their accuracy fell off or they stored their rifles for long periods of time. They said if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. They said; it takes fewer shots to season your barrel if you don’t clean the bore than if you do. So that’s what I did too. I just cleaned chamber and action if it needed to be cleaned. As best I could tell it worked okay. You are hooked on shooting tiny groups now; if you want to clean your rifle the way you like; it likely makes no difference. They did say it is easy to ding your crown or chamber if not extra careful cleaning a rimfire. That new shooting bench is working out real good looks like. Merry Christmas Dead Eye.
Since you have all this data, it would be interesting to revisit some of the results from this summer to demonstrate how ambient temperature effect 22lr ammo. I have shot 22 in below zero conditions and the performance was very poor. Keep up the great videos!
That is a great looking rifle, would be proud to own it. Some of those ammos I've never seen in the stores before. Have always enjoyed shooting 22, very relaxing and easy going. Have a great Christmas. Hopefully we can still shoot something next year !
Thanks for spending the $$$ so we don't have to. My CZ's have always preferred SK Rifle Match and Standard Plus at 50-100 yds. This is such a bonus that I don't need to buy the $20bx + stuff too.
Man I have been a recent subscriber, but watching your videos has definitely changed my perspective on looking into owning other firearms. I’m over here buying a moss berg 88 maverick as I type this. Just waiting in line. Great videos man!!
nice one bufallo , my cz 457 mtr the best group i did , is from RWS PROFESSIONAL - YELLOW BOX , the rifle is cz 457 mtr , i am new in 22 lr and my cz has around 3000 rounds , happy holidays and stay safe
LOL. I say Lapua the exact same way even though I was told I was incorrect. Love watching that thing shoot those little groups and the ammo comparisons you do. It may be a sacrilege, but it would be interesting to see how it shoots cheapo stuff someday just for kicks. Keep up the good content and Merry Christmas.
You can send your rifle to Lapua in either Arizona or Missouri (I think). They will test which Lapua ammo and lot best matches your rifle. Unfortunately, they only test Lapua ammo and then you have to buy a minimum of 5,000 rounds of your choice. The test costs $50.
Buffalo, gotta agree, the expensive Lapua Midas and your CZ are not a happy couple! You used two types of SK ammo and the expensive Olympic Eley Tenex, I recommend you try the affordable Eley Club ammo, not necessarily because it’s a favorite of mine, but like the two different priced SK (and the cheaper was best in your CZ) I think you’ll be surprised with the results of the Eley Club! In any case, you’re videos are always informative, entertaining, and there’s no “BS”... and that makes them worthwhile!
@@wonderloaf Now while the subject is up here,.. it`s time some folks started learning how to pronounce HORNADY ( HORN A DEE ) then LEUPOLD ( LOO POLD ) and so on. I refer to these mispronounced words as `lazy speech`!
man, those 4 shots in the same hole was impressive. nothing wrong with the rifle, or the shooter. great shooting Buffalo. and if you're pronouncing it wrong, so is everyone i ever heard say that name.
"LA - POO - A",,I'm just taking a wild guess,,lol.That is a good looking rifle.I almost bought a CZ rifle chambered in 7.62 x 39 eariler this year.I wish I had got it instead of the Ruger in the same caliber.But I guess we live and learn.
HAHHA. Lapua! I pronounce it the same as you. I just bought 100 box of Lapua 3006 brass. Good stuff, but pricey. Try some Eley black box match. Clint Swigert in Kentucky sells it, great guy.
Great info. Will save me a lot of money at $20.00 a box. So far for my mtr, likes RWS Target Rifle at $5.99. It is running .35 and no flyers so far. I’m 73 and using a Discovery scope on 12power so it might do better with younger eyes and better optics. Thanks again.
I appreciate your video. Thanks. I suggest a 25 shot group is more valuable than five, five shot groups. It will give you a clearer idea of the shot distribution for that load. Also as shooters we need to stop calling flyers. Flyers are the part of our shot distribution that we don’t like but they need to be part of the equation. Obviously they’re your videos and you should do what you want. Just something to think about and thanks again
Just for kicks I hope you try maybe 5 of the brands most of us see as crummy ammo. Or bulk pack ammo, etc. It would be wild if one of them ended up well in your rifle. And for science. Just good ole science. Please consider Buffalo!
Dang if not for those consistent Flyers that would be spot-on ammo... LOL... now if I were shooting that I would say it was the shooter, but I watched you and you were on point. As always great video. I love seeing them, keep them coming.
I had results like this out of my cz with agila ammunition when i was group testing it would shoot best groups of all the ammo i shot but seemed like it would throw one or 2 out of every ten way outside the group.
So what is the reason for single hand loading each round as opposed to using the magazine? Is it to keep the bullet nose from rubbing on the feed ramp? I would attribute the first flyer on the second group as you moved the rifle to the next target and it hadn't settled in the rest from the adjustment.
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Don’t let the negative comments affect what you do. The world is full of know it alls. Ignore them.
Love my CZs (I have 9 452s plus a Brno Model 1) and they all love SK Standard. Thanks for the video!
GOD BLESS SAINTS AND PATRIOTS
I don’t think I will ever have such a nice .22 rifle, but I am glued to this series of videos! If it were anyone other than Buffalo I doubt I’d pay attention.
Agree. Buffalo is the one to watch!
Some guns and some ammo just don't get along. That's a fact of life, and it's why it's so important to test several types of ammo before deciding on one for a critical application like hunting. You did a fine job testing this one. Good work!
Good testing Buffallo. Stay safe and warm.
Velocities were far more consistent than when you tried the federal bulk pack hence far better groups
You don't have to explain anything to anyone...your videos are always awesome! Thanks for putting some much into it!!
Always interesting! I can't wait for my new CZ 455 LUX in .17 HMR to arrive, so I can continue with my own shooting tests.
This series is good fun too.
Love the 22 ammo comparisons. If someone had just shot that 5 shot middle group they would have thought this ammo was awesome. Thanks for going the extra mile.
If the call was the best 4 shots out of 5 it would be very good, but it was like it had a consistent inconsistency?
Thanks for the review.I’m waiting on my 419 rail and can’t wait to get started shooting my MTR.
As long as you are consistent with your measuring method, it is a fair comparison.... Good video!!
Exactly! Well said.
I am considering buying exactly this gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the review!!!!
Wow. Surprising results. Well thanks for testing the Midas.
Don't apologize to the cry babies
Long time watcher. Everybody has an opinion. Thanks for the entertainment,and keep up the great work. Thanks again.
That's one sweet little .22 Thanks for the video 👍👍🇦🇺
I have a 40x rimfire that loves the popo midas +. I'm kinda tired of lookin and shootin high grade ammo..I've kinda got to the place where I shoot standard ammo in all my 22s. Just save the midas + when I want to shoot bug holes with my 52d winchester or 40x.
Great job as normal ups says my CZ527 17 hornet will arrive tomorrow I can't wait to get it out and sight it in this weekend
These videos are especially entertaining and edifying. Thanks brother, as always. La-Poo-Ah! You got it!
And don’t forget
Ah- gee- la … lol
You create fine shooting videos. Your inclusion of the close up views of the chronograph and targets is a very nice feature.
Shooting 22LR at 32F is frustrating at best. In my 457 At One I found best performance with SK Pistol Match. Every rifle is different. Shooting 22 for precision accuracy can be maddening during best conditions. I'm enjoying all of your videos. Thanks
That was fun Buffalo, thanks for bring us along
Pretty neat Mr Buffalo 👍🍻
Same way I say lapua but that’s how I’ve heard it pronounced on every channel I follow. Great video as always. Love that rifle, hope to get one someday
Great series of videos cheers.
Took My MTR to the range the first time yesterday, and got very good results from the Aguila Target Competition. With not even 100 rounds fired from the rifle yet.
"Go ahead type in your comments about how I'm pronouncing Lapua wrong." Hilarious 😂😃😄. Buffalo you had me laughing at the start. You also have me shopping for a new cz in 22lr. Great video, keep them coming.
I have been waiting so long for testing on this rifle as I am considering it for a competition rifle and cannot afford a Anschutz. Thank you very much! Would love to see what that rifle can do when you use it with a full benchrest competition setup as in a joystick front rest, wind flags etc. If I look at your conditions I am sure it is one of the biggest variables in your groups. With wind flags and weighing your ammunition I am sure that rifle will shoot one hole groups all day.
Thanks Buffalo!
Great video as always.
Caldwell also makes lil rubber feet for the bench rest spikes. I got some for when i am shooting on a surface other than wood and I don't want to scratch it up.
Nice video Buffalo. Love to you from the Shenandoah Valley
Thanks for the video. I shot some 22lr. years ago named Hanson. Was the best i found back then. I wish it was still made. It shot really good out of my rifle and pistol.
You are one class act. I'd love to tests these puppies with you. I have 457 stock varmint.
Buffalo, you always go above and beyond with your shooting videos and you always have a good variety and awesome content.Nice shooting to and be safe.Happy Holidays!
I would like to wish you and yours Happy New Year and a Merry Christmas my friend 😇🎉
I have been trying to get a very similar CZ. Daggumit everyone is sold out
It's in stock at buds gun shop 709$
Keep looking man, you'll find one I am sure. The wife and I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of this one already.
@@buffalosoutdoors 👍👍
@@WHOTEEWHO I'll trade you mine for a PSD. 😉😉😉👍👍👍
Gunbroker is your friend. And fiend. Just depends.
Beautiful gun, it’s amazing how good those things shoot, it might not like that ammo but that’s still some good shooting
Thanks buddy good job.
Doesn’t matter how you say Lapua. What matters is group size. Sk standard plus has been the best performer so far in my 457s. The lot I have now is beating center-x and Midas+. The next lot I get could be totally different. I do think a tuner would do wonders for those groups of Midas+ you shot. Thanks for making the video.
Don't apologize to picky viewers, vids are excellent!
I know it’s a lot of extra work. But next time try loading each round separate and see if that gets rid of your fliers. I was having the same problem and when I tried loading each round separate instead of putting them in the magazine, it really helped. I read it on another site. Sometimes the bullet can get scarred when it is being pushed in from the magazine. They actually make a single shot adapter for your rifle. So that tells me maybe it can be a problem. I like your videos. Thanks for taking the time to make them.
Hi I have one of these MTR's plus the CZ457 varmint. Both shoot identical groups. Have tested plenty of Lapua ammo over the years in all types of Rimfire rifles. Currently the best is SK Long Range Match in the CZ457, 455, 452 models. Lapua Midas plus has fliers from testing I've done. X Act had heaps of fliers, was too expensive no one bought it. it was deleted from inventory in Aus well over six years ago. All of my CZ's will do 10 shot groups @ 50mtrs around the 8.5mm mark. with SKLR Match ammo. Centre-X is also not worth the dollars unless you want to shoot a few dozen different batches to find something acceptable. As with everything Rimfire its all about what the firearm likes.
I think you're shooting great, something I have noticed with every cz I have owned is that they all shot exactly like this early in their barrel life. One really tight cloverleaf and a satellite. After about 1500 rounds the satellite would eventually draw in and the rifle or pistol would shoot lights out from there. I also rarely cleaned the boars.
So it improved over time?
You said Lapua correctly..........lol. That’s some fine shooting.
Love your videos Buffalo. Love the rifle as well. I have a CZ 452 that I need to shoot one of these days but after watching your vids, might have to pick up a 457 as well!
Looks like the Mrs. is right about the SK Standard Plus so far.
I believe you will discover a brand of ammunition that provides good accuracy at a much lower price. Keep your eye on the most consistent average velocities over all 25 rounds. It is a good indication that tells you some important information. I tested one brand of ammo that produced an average deviation of 6 feet per-second. That was amazing consistency and so was cost of the ammo. I then; tested others to see what they produced. I stayed away from bulk packs and stuck to boxed ammo. Just figured dumping ammo in cans and boxes might cause some issues. I was on the frugal side being a penny-pincher; the fewer boxes of $25 dollar 22 shells I needed to buy the better. I talked to quite a few old target shooters and none cleaned their barrels. Unless their accuracy fell off or they stored their rifles for long periods of time. They said if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. They said; it takes fewer shots to season your barrel if you don’t clean the bore than if you do. So that’s what I did too. I just cleaned chamber and action if it needed to be cleaned. As best I could tell it worked okay. You are hooked on shooting tiny groups now; if you want to clean your rifle the way you like; it likely makes no difference. They did say it is easy to ding your crown or chamber if not extra careful cleaning a rimfire. That new shooting bench is working out real good looks like. Merry Christmas Dead Eye.
Looking for your final showdown video…?
What is your process for cleaning the barrel? Waiting for my MTR to come in now
Good test.
Thanks for the great content!
Since you have all this data, it would be interesting to revisit some of the results from this summer to demonstrate how ambient temperature effect 22lr ammo. I have shot 22 in below zero conditions and the performance was very poor. Keep up the great videos!
I’ve had luck with Wolf Match, which I’ve heard is the same as SK Match. Seems to shoot great in all my target rifles
Hello J. Rob
Wolf Match was produced in Germany by SK, now it is made by Ely in the UK,
Greetings from Germany
That is a great looking rifle, would be proud to own it.
Some of those ammos I've never seen in the stores before.
Have always enjoyed shooting 22, very relaxing and easy going.
Have a great Christmas. Hopefully we can still shoot something next year !
Thanks for spending the $$$ so we don't have to. My CZ's have always preferred SK Rifle Match and Standard Plus at 50-100 yds. This is such a bonus that I don't need to buy the $20bx + stuff too.
I literally shouted out loud "OHH!!!" with that flyer on the second group
Man I have been a recent subscriber, but watching your videos has definitely changed my perspective on looking into owning other firearms. I’m over here buying a moss berg 88 maverick as I type this. Just waiting in line. Great videos man!!
I had the same reaction as you with the flyers. Whoa!!
nice one bufallo , my cz 457 mtr the best group i did , is from RWS PROFESSIONAL - YELLOW BOX , the rifle is cz 457 mtr , i am new in 22 lr and my cz has around 3000 rounds , happy holidays and stay safe
7/16. Four out of five at fifty. Love your videos. Great approach . keep up the good work.
Well done! Thank you.
I have a cz 457 lux 22 magnum absolutely a tac driver
Fun stuff. Thank you
👍👍👍 as always Buff! 😃✌️🇺🇸
LOL. I say Lapua the exact same way even though I was told I was incorrect. Love watching that thing shoot those little groups and the ammo comparisons you do. It may be a sacrilege, but it would be interesting to see how it shoots cheapo stuff someday just for kicks. Keep up the good content and Merry Christmas.
Another "gud un" Buff....Looking forward to the best 3 video!
I thought that was/is how you pronounce that name...Honest. And darn good/fun shooting.
You can send your rifle to Lapua in either Arizona or Missouri (I think). They will test which Lapua ammo and lot best matches your rifle. Unfortunately, they only test Lapua ammo and then you have to buy a minimum of 5,000 rounds of your choice. The test costs $50.
Buffalo, gotta agree, the expensive Lapua Midas and your CZ are not a happy couple! You used two types of SK ammo and the expensive Olympic Eley Tenex, I recommend you try the affordable Eley Club ammo, not necessarily because it’s a favorite of mine, but like the two different priced SK (and the cheaper was best in your CZ) I think you’ll be surprised with the results of the Eley Club! In any case, you’re videos are always informative, entertaining, and there’s no “BS”... and that makes them worthwhile!
You mean your “SEE ZED!”
(I kid!)
Hahaha!
I’m glad somebody knows how to say it properly :p
@@wonderloaf Now while the subject is up here,.. it`s time some folks started learning how to pronounce HORNADY ( HORN A DEE ) then LEUPOLD ( LOO POLD ) and so on.
I refer to these mispronounced words as `lazy speech`!
man, those 4 shots in the same hole was impressive. nothing wrong with the rifle, or the shooter. great shooting Buffalo.
and if you're pronouncing it wrong, so is everyone i ever heard say that name.
That's how we say it in Tennessee thanks for the videos
"LA - POO - A",,I'm just taking a wild guess,,lol.That is a good looking rifle.I almost bought a CZ rifle chambered in 7.62 x 39 eariler this year.I wish I had got it instead of the Ruger in the same caliber.But I guess we live and learn.
HAHHA. Lapua! I pronounce it the same as you. I just bought 100 box of Lapua 3006 brass. Good stuff, but pricey. Try some Eley black box match. Clint Swigert in Kentucky sells it, great guy.
Dam those flyers! Good groups with out them.
Yeah that's too bad! Could just be me too and not so much the ammo.
@@buffalosoutdoors yeah, somehow I doubt that it is you!
Looks pretty good👍🏻 I’m debating picking up a brick of the Midas 🤔Iv only tried SK so far.Thinking of trying the SK Rifle match as well Red box.
Good review thanks for sharing
Great info. Will save me a lot of money at $20.00 a box. So far for my mtr, likes RWS Target Rifle at $5.99. It is running .35 and no flyers so far. I’m 73 and using a Discovery scope on 12power so it might do better with younger eyes and better optics. Thanks again.
Put a Harrels tuner on it-my CZ 457 would always throw flyers-my 50 yard groups went from 1” to 0.25”
Exelente video, saludos desde Argentina
Cool video 👍
I appreciate your video. Thanks. I suggest a 25 shot group is more valuable than five, five shot groups. It will give you a clearer idea of the shot distribution for that load. Also as shooters we need to stop calling flyers. Flyers are the part of our shot distribution that we don’t like but they need to be part of the equation. Obviously they’re your videos and you should do what you want. Just something to think about and thanks again
Hi, how you doing. I love watching your videos. Keep up the great work.
Just for kicks I hope you try maybe 5 of the brands most of us see as crummy ammo. Or bulk pack ammo, etc. It would be wild if one of them ended up well in your rifle. And for science. Just good ole science. Please consider Buffalo!
Dang if not for those consistent Flyers that would be spot-on ammo... LOL... now if I were shooting that I would say it was the shooter, but I watched you and you were on point. As always great video. I love seeing them, keep them coming.
That testing is forth coming. Too windy and cold yesterday.
I try to test only in calm conditions... Those days don't come around often though!
I would stick with the SK. The SK rifle match is also made by lapua, for a fraction of the cost. SK never let me down.
I had results like this out of my cz with agila ammunition when i was group testing it would shoot best groups of all the ammo i shot but seemed like it would throw one or 2 out of every ten way outside the group.
Your Rifle came with a test Target and Ammo. Would you share that Ammo and Target to Compare . Keep up the good work and info
Love the videos by the way, good shooting.
You’re pronouncing Lapua correctly 😂
Yes. Pretty close as we would pronounce it here in Finland. u letter little shorter and thats it. Now it sounds like Lapuua for natives.
I watched a video where an american guy tryed to say anti air. But the way he said it was anti i r. It was all uphill after that.
Hope you all have a great Christmas :-)
You pronounce Lapua quite good for an amerikan. Not right but very good. Greetings from Finland :)
this ammo and rifle do not get along. very interesting and erratic behavior. great vid as usual
Figured that the lapua would be more consistent than it was i mean still not terrible for rimfire but the chrono measurements seemed to prove it
I don't know how to say it either😄. But I really enjoy this series. Great job
Try NORMA match ammo. Mine shoot it great at 50 yards.
Yes Lapua is correct 🤓
So what is the reason for single hand loading each round as opposed to using the magazine? Is it to keep the bullet nose from rubbing on the feed ramp? I would attribute the first flyer on the second group as you moved the rifle to the next target and it hadn't settled in the rest from the adjustment.
I have the same with my cz 455 but with my keppeler k05
No flyers and groeping like your second group except for the flyer