Goat of finals mvp is no dought MJ. Dunk Contest, Vince Carter Assist Champ is Magic. Of course stockton would have a lot more assist because he played more seasons than magic.
@@kramberries1294 If Stockton & Magic played the same amount of games and minutes in their careers, the former would still have way more assists given their averages in each season of their primes. Magic's highest is 13.1 apg. Stockton had FIVE seasons where had a higher apg than that, peaking at 14.5 per game.
IMO: I think Vince Carter shouldve been the dunk contest goat. Without him there mightve not been a dunk contest for a few years after and that shit was iconic man
For finals mvp it should be MJ for obvious reasons and for the 3pt contest winner it should be stephen curry. Yes, he doesn’t have the most 3pt contests won, but his logic is the best player at the skill who won the award, not who won the most of the award. Stephen Curry is undisputedly the 3pt GOAT.
@@night6724 Curry won the 3-point contest 2x. With the current format, I would argue players focus more on making the money balls than trying to be accurate with all the shots.
The best dunk contest dunkers are: Vince Carter, Zach LaVine, Michael Jordan, Aaron Gordon, Jason Richardson Julius Erving, Nate Robinson, Derrick Jones jr, Spudd Webb and Dominique Wilkins I updated it ’cause I forgot alot of great dunkers Twice
What about Nate Robinson? Let’s forget the fact that he isn’t nowhere near all star talent but i mean he did win 3 of them (the most ever). And at under 6 feet at that
I think the 88 dunk contest is definitely a great measurement in terms of what would be considered the best though the 2000 dunk contest should of had a nod as well.
This was a great list. I like these out of the box ideas like this because it makes people think about things they wouldn't have thought about and it keeps for new content too.
the 2000 dunk contest everybody knew vince would win with his literally first dunk in the 1988 dunk contest it was 2 of the best dunking going head on head against each other i would think Michael jordan vs Wilkins dunk contest over vince carter dominating 2000 dunk contest
Finals MVP I would have MJ on that one! Though Lebron I cannot go against with that one as well. The reason why MJ has my vote is because of the statistics and the narratives, and the way he dominate every finals series. And of course he has more.
he also grabbed 55 rebounds in a game. against bill russell. i think he still ended up losing though because bill had a stacked team and wilt had a decent team and coach
I think Kareem should be MVP champ, FMVP Jordan because he didn't loose a final game. LJ chocked twice with the superstar heat team. And dunk contest Carter. Otherwise no arguments.
@@managed9348 Yeah you can argue. But I think if he played Against prime Shaq, Hakeem or Mutombo he wouldn't get so many awards. I think Hakeem could steal block and Shaq said that he had no weakness in the 95 finals. He just couldn't do anything to beat him. So that's why I think Hakeem is the best.
Jordan is also the best Finals MVP to ever win the award... he went to the finals 6 times, and won the award on every one of those times... no arugment needed.
Vince Carter is the GOAT in dunk contest : we remember the Jordan/Wilkins or Gordon/Lavine duels, but VC was so over the top that we don't (and don't care) remember the other participants.
And lbj had the best finals series of all time coming back from a 3-1 deficit against one of the best superteams ever so yeah it should stay just how it is
@@XX___ that makes no sense. How do you just give him props for coming back from 3-1 but don't hold it against him that was down 3-1 in the 1st place especially when both Steph and Klay were not playing well when GSW was up 3-1. I'm not giving LBJ finals MVP GOAT because Draymond got suspended, and Bogut and Iggy got hurt. Incase you didn't know, those were 3 of their best 4 defenders. Both Draymond and Bogut were all NBA defensive players. Draymond was DPOY. That's why both Bron and Kyrie went off. They both dropped 40 in the same game. That had never been done before. Do you think it's a mystery why it happened? But let's just be sheep and forget about GSWs defense being compromised or Kyrie contributing to the comeback and just say Lebron had the greatest finals ever.
I'm tired of this narrative about the LBJ comeback. How do you just give LBJ props for coming back from 3-1 but don't hold it against him that he was down 3-1 in the 1st place especially when both Steph and Klay were not playing well when GSW was up 3-1. I'm not giving LBJ finals MVP GOAT because Draymond got suspended, and Bogut and Iggy got hurt. Incase you didn't know, those were 3 of their best 4 defenders. Both Draymond and Bogut were all NBA defensive players. Draymond is a DPOY. That's why both Bron and Kyrie went off. They both dropped 40 in the same game. That had never been done before. Do you think it's a mystery that that happened? But let's just be sheep and forget about GSWs defense being compromised or Kyrie contributing to the comeback and just say Lebron had the greatest finals ever. Funny thing is I respect Bron. He is on the bball Mt Rushmore and he was smart enough to create his own media company to control the narrative and plant seeds like this comeback narrative or him being the GOAT ahead of MJ, Wilt, and Kareem. Most people rely on group thought to shape their own opinions so he played that card well. Mark Jackson said Steph and Klay were the best shooting back court before it was accepted by the media. At the time, it was thought as a crazy statement. Once the only thing that changed was the main stream media accepting and disseminating that info, it was no longer crazy. 🐑 🐑 🐑
4:50 that dunk contest is used as a measure bar for Dunk contest IMO Gordon vs Lavine in 16' is the one that everybody look back to compare dunk contest
I'd put Jordan at finals mvp and take lebron off, I'd take jordan off and put Vince Carter at the dunk contest champ and I'd take wilt off and put rodman at rebound champ... That's my take lol
Bruh how you gunna give the FMVP to LeBron. MJ had the Layup against the Lakers the Shrug against the Blazers (He scored a record three pointers in a half and a record points in a half) he AVERAGED over 40 points for the entire series against the Suns he had the Flu game in his first Finals against the Jazz and he scored 45 points in the close-out game against the Jazz the second time he played em while hitting the game winning shot. Not to mention he has two more FMVPs than LeBron.
Have to respectfully disagree with the FMVP goat award choice. While Bron is a worthy candidate, especially considering how many times he’s made it there, MJ’s undefeated in the Finals and has the second highest scoring average in the Finals in league history; not to mention, 6 Finals MVPs.
I’m not trying to start an argument, just wanna state my opinion LeBron has, just like Jordan, won every finals MVP of the finals he won. Also LeBron had a case to win the FMVP in 2015 despite losing. He also is a triple double machine in the finals with 11 all-time, the most in NBA history. Bron is in 2nd for all-time points in the finals, 4th for all-time rebounds, 2nd for all-time assists, 6th in all-time blocks, and 2nd in all-time steals, but I do know those stats are kinda inflated due to his 10 finals appearances. That’s why I think LeBron is the greatest player in the finals ever.
Kevin McHale is a beast, but he was essentially a starter (averaging over 30 minutes) both years he won the award, and he eventually became a starter, thriving on that great 1986 team. Havlicek is similar, and only averaged under 30 minutes for two of his first three seasons, and eventually became a starter on that Celtics dynasty, and for those 1970s teams. In my humble opinion, the best true sixth man was Bobby Jones, the inaugural winner of the award. He came off the bench and could contribute at a high level on both sides of the ball.
Curry won the 3-point contest 2x. Hodges has a high percentage that one time. But with the current format, I would argue players focus on making the money balls more than trying to be accurate with all the shots.
There is no way LeChina James is the Finals MVP GOAT. The reason you picked LeChina is exactly why MJ is the GOAT. He would never let his team get so far behind when the chip is on the line.
please dont make lists based on your favourite players. vince is by FAR the better dunk contest winner of all time, second is zach lavine (this one is up for debate) and third would be jordan.
@@blo2706 Vince is amongst larry in all time 3's plus his defence isn't much worse better finisher way better shooter slightly better playmaker and a worse defender sure post game isnt there but he better
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Goat of finals mvp is no dought MJ.
Dunk Contest, Vince Carter
Assist Champ is Magic.
Of course stockton would have a lot more assist because he played more seasons than magic.
Stephen 3 points contes
steals champ should be Chris Paul. He also made more defensive teams.
@@kramberries1294 If Stockton & Magic played the same amount of games and minutes in their careers, the former would still have way more assists given their averages in each season of their primes. Magic's highest is 13.1 apg. Stockton had FIVE seasons where had a higher apg than that, peaking at 14.5 per game.
horrible
Thought he would choose Vince Carter for the dunk contest lol
Me too btw lol duck contest
@@almond7795 oh my bad lol let me fix that
There are joking, really, air Canada is better than air Jordan ✈️
@Yassine Bouhanni lol
So would I but I am not mad at his pick
IMO: I think Vince Carter shouldve been the dunk contest goat. Without him there mightve not been a dunk contest for a few years after and that shit was iconic man
For finals mvp it should be MJ for obvious reasons and for the 3pt contest winner it should be stephen curry. Yes, he doesn’t have the most 3pt contests won, but his logic is the best player at the skill who won the award, not who won the most of the award. Stephen Curry is undisputedly the 3pt GOAT.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 but Hodges has a better percentage for the 3 pt contest
@@night6724 watch the video
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@@night6724 Curry won the 3-point contest 2x.
With the current format, I would argue players focus more on making the money balls than trying to be accurate with all the shots.
The best dunk contest dunkers are: Vince Carter, Zach LaVine, Michael Jordan, Aaron Gordon, Jason Richardson Julius Erving, Nate Robinson, Derrick Jones jr, Spudd Webb and Dominique Wilkins
I updated it ’cause I forgot alot of great dunkers
Twice
What about Nate Robinson? Let’s forget the fact that he isn’t nowhere near all star talent but i mean he did win 3 of them (the most ever). And at under 6 feet at that
Switch Nate Robinson with J rich and you got a great list
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Vc was the best tho
Dominic Wilkins?
If ur not gonna give VC the dunk contest award
It’s clearly weird
No it isn't.
I think the 88 dunk contest is definitely a great measurement in terms of what would be considered the best though the 2000 dunk contest should of had a nod as well.
This was a great list. I like these out of the box ideas like this because it makes people think about things they wouldn't have thought about and it keeps for new content too.
@@whenisdinner2137 it is wierd lmao. VC is the best dunker ever.
the 2000 dunk contest everybody knew vince would win with his literally first dunk
in the 1988 dunk contest it was 2 of the best dunking going head on head against each other
i would think Michael jordan vs Wilkins dunk contest over vince carter dominating 2000 dunk contest
Just a little correction. The playoff MVP was named after Bill Russell. Bill Russell was not named after the award. 😆
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LOL
Actually, Finals Mvp was named after Bill Russell
Fun Fact: Bill Russell was named by his parents.
@@T.Gundham probably the best comment of all time😂😂
Let's be real. MJ and Wilkins were good but LaVine and Gordon were the greatest dunk contest of all time
And carters dunk contest was really good too
In my opinion it’s one of them, MJ & Wilkins revolutionized the dunk contest
@@m.stazz_0866 fax
Let's be real the vc and tmac is the greatest dunk contest of all time revived the dunk contest
@@toviolia9594 yeah they revived it but they aren't the best
Finals MVP I would have MJ on that one! Though Lebron I cannot go against with that one as well. The reason why MJ has my vote is because of the statistics and the narratives, and the way he dominate every finals series. And of course he has more.
I can see an argument for MJ..shit I wouldn't have been mad if he put him there
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mj had the mosr help lebron had the least help
did you just say Wilt averaged 27 rebounds in his rookie season?? honestly I think this man was a myth
he also grabbed 55 rebounds in a game. against bill russell. i think he still ended up losing though because bill had a stacked team and wilt had a decent team and coach
Different era.
@@hor7910 Wilt also missed the 28 shots which he rebounded. A lot of Wilts feats are less impressive given context.
@@samraizshoaib585have you checked his fg%? They are much better than what you'd expect.
@@samraizshoaib585wilt also had a season where he had a field goal percentage of over 70%, how is that not impressive
I didn’t hear him say curry isn’t the three point champion all time
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MJ is the only one listed here three times. The dunk Contest one is arguable, but that just shows how great of a player he really was.
Dunk contest should’ve been for either VC or Lavine
He could have been on the list five times. He could have been there for Steals and should have been there for finals MVP
I don’t understand why John Stockton doesn’t get more credit. One of the most underrated players ever in my opinion.
1:59 "to the legend that is named after the award,"
Or "the legend that the award is named after" 😂
Rebound Rewind should have all the awards 🏆🥇
I think Kareem should be MVP champ, FMVP Jordan because he didn't loose a final game. LJ chocked twice with the superstar heat team. And dunk contest Carter. Otherwise no arguments.
What about Ben Wallace in the thumbnail?
@@managed9348 Yeah you can argue. But I think if he played Against prime Shaq, Hakeem or Mutombo he wouldn't get so many awards. I think Hakeem could steal block and Shaq said that he had no weakness in the 95 finals. He just couldn't do anything to beat him. So that's why I think Hakeem is the best.
Chocked twice?
Him not losing a finals series has nothing to do with FMVP argument😂 that's a team thing not a individual thing
exactly. this was a weird list.
Jordan is also the best Finals MVP to ever win the award... he went to the finals 6 times, and won the award on every one of those times... no arugment needed.
Alvin Robertson holds the record for highest career spg, highest season spg, & most steals in a season.
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1. Michael Jordan 6 FMVP + 5 MVP 🏆
2. Lebron James 4 FMVP + 4 FMVP 🏆
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 2 FMVP + 6 MVP 🏆
4. Magic Johnson 3 FMVP + 3 MVP 🏆
5. Larry Bird 2 FMVP + 3 MVP 🏆
6. Wilt Chamberlain FMVP + 4 MVP 🏆
7. Bill Russell 5 MVP 🏆
8. Tim Duncan 3 FMVP + 2 MVP 🏆
9. Shaquille O'Neal 3 FMVP + MVP 🏆
10. Kobe Bryant 2 FMVP + MVP 🏆
10. Hakeem Olajuwon 2 FMVP + MVP 🏆
I would put manu as 6th man but definitely think Kevin is just as deserving
lou williams too
@@lazyll_ but lou williams is black
Jordan has 6 fmvp and hot tons of game winning shots in the finals bs Utah
Lebron was the fmvp more than 6 times! but he was robbed because he was on the losing team
@@noordeenaltammimi6416 No he wasn't! Stop cappin!
Bron came back from a 3-1 deficit, I don't see that being done again anytime soon
@@lwandlesakwe7834 dont forget the team he pulled the upset over
@@lwandlesakwe7834 but kyrie helped him
Rebound Rewind is way too underrated, I can't wait till he gets 100K subs.
Everytine rebound rewind uploads, I know I'm gonna have fun
The GOAT of Dunk Contest Champion is Vince Carter
Vince Carter is the GOAT in dunk contest : we remember the Jordan/Wilkins or Gordon/Lavine duels, but VC was so over the top that we don't (and don't care) remember the other participants.
Jordan should be finals MVP - 6-0 in the finals. James should be regular MVP - most MVP shares.
but jordan had arguably the greatest mvp year of all time in '88
And lbj had the best finals series of all time coming back from a 3-1 deficit against one of the best superteams ever so yeah it should stay just how it is
@@XX___ nah both should be Jordan. If Regular season isn't Jordan, it should be Kareem since Kareem has 6.
@@XX___ that makes no sense. How do you just give him props for coming back from 3-1 but don't hold it against him that was down 3-1 in the 1st place especially when both Steph and Klay were not playing well when GSW was up 3-1. I'm not giving LBJ finals MVP GOAT because Draymond got suspended, and Bogut and Iggy got hurt. Incase you didn't know, those were 3 of their best 4 defenders. Both Draymond and Bogut were all NBA defensive players. Draymond was DPOY. That's why both Bron and Kyrie went off. They both dropped 40 in the same game. That had never been done before. Do you think it's a mystery why it happened? But let's just be sheep and forget about GSWs defense being compromised or Kyrie contributing to the comeback and just say Lebron had the greatest finals ever.
I'm tired of this narrative about the LBJ comeback. How do you just give LBJ props for coming back from 3-1 but don't hold it against him that he was down 3-1 in the 1st place especially when both Steph and Klay were not playing well when GSW was up 3-1. I'm not giving LBJ finals MVP GOAT because Draymond got suspended, and Bogut and Iggy got hurt. Incase you didn't know, those were 3 of their best 4 defenders. Both Draymond and Bogut were all NBA defensive players. Draymond is a DPOY. That's why both Bron and Kyrie went off. They both dropped 40 in the same game. That had never been done before. Do you think it's a mystery that that happened? But let's just be sheep and forget about GSWs defense being compromised or Kyrie contributing to the comeback and just say Lebron had the greatest finals ever. Funny thing is I respect Bron. He is on the bball Mt Rushmore and he was smart enough to create his own media company to control the narrative and plant seeds like this comeback narrative or him being the GOAT ahead of MJ, Wilt, and Kareem. Most people rely on group thought to shape their own opinions so he played that card well. Mark Jackson said Steph and Klay were the best shooting back court before it was accepted by the media. At the time, it was thought as a crazy statement. Once the only thing that changed was the main stream media accepting and disseminating that info, it was no longer crazy. 🐑 🐑 🐑
How do you make such good videos
Damn you learn so much by watching these vids man, and the animations are goated
I think Magic is a part of the rookie of the year award debate as he was an all star finals MVP and NBA champion all in his rookie season
He didn’t win ROTY
Vince Carter dunk champ be real
4:50 that dunk contest is used as a measure bar for Dunk contest
IMO Gordon vs Lavine in 16' is the one that everybody look back to compare dunk contest
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Great video but the dunk contest GOAT is Vince Carter!!
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kareem over mark they didn’t even count blocks at first when kareem was playing
Mark is the greatest blocker in NBA history
They didn’t count blocks for Russell or Wilt’s entire careers.
Can you do the top 10 most hardest era’s of NBA history?
Um there are less then 10 eras lmfao
Dunk Champion - Vince Carter..100%
Changes:
FMVP - MJ
Regular Season MVP - Kareem
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Curry is the goat in 3 point contest IS shoot is another lvl
I'd put Jordan at finals mvp and take lebron off, I'd take jordan off and put Vince Carter at the dunk contest champ and I'd take wilt off and put rodman at rebound champ... That's my take lol
Bruh how you gunna give the FMVP to LeBron. MJ had the Layup against the Lakers the Shrug against the Blazers (He scored a record three pointers in a half and a record points in a half) he AVERAGED over 40 points for the entire series against the Suns he had the Flu game in his first Finals against the Jazz and he scored 45 points in the close-out game against the Jazz the second time he played em while hitting the game winning shot. Not to mention he has two more FMVPs than LeBron.
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The king (along with the refs,) made a come back. Corrected you.
nice
How dare you not give the Dunk Contest to Vince Carter smh
Week 4 of asking to do Best NBA player by the amount of seasons they played for
MVP Kareem with 6
The disrespect to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. KAJ got 6 MVP AWARDS and 19 All stars
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Good vid idea
Didn’t even mention Dennis Rodman man played 14 seasons and won 7 rebounding titles and averaged 13 rebounds at 6’7
0:23 you just made it personal with him dude
Have to respectfully disagree with the FMVP goat award choice. While Bron is a worthy candidate, especially considering how many times he’s made it there, MJ’s undefeated in the Finals and has the second highest scoring average in the Finals in league history; not to mention, 6 Finals MVPs.
I’m not trying to start an argument, just wanna state my opinion
LeBron has, just like Jordan, won every finals MVP of the finals he won. Also LeBron had a case to win the FMVP in 2015 despite losing. He also is a triple double machine in the finals with 11 all-time, the most in NBA history. Bron is in 2nd for all-time points in the finals, 4th for all-time rebounds, 2nd for all-time assists, 6th in all-time blocks, and 2nd in all-time steals, but I do know those stats are kinda inflated due to his 10 finals appearances. That’s why I think LeBron is the greatest player in the finals ever.
That’s why he lost more than he won. If you’re really the best player on the finals, you never loose.
@@kramberries1294 facts 💯.. or at least lose a lot less than your competition, and it’s very hard losing less than someone who never lost at all
WHO IS GOAT?
👑JAMES>MJ
I think I would either choose Vince carter or Zach Lavine for dunk contest goat but I could see why you chose MJ
Facts
In the GOAT Dunk Contest, where's the famous "let's go home"?
I think Larry should have been 3pt champ since he won the first 3 competitions then stopped going and he also won in a warmup Jacket
Nope it’s def curry
Gonna be honest. Vince Carter was the only person I was thinking of for the dunk contest.
You didnt even mention kareem at the mvp
Because he is a mj fanboy
@@schmittiTV Cry weeb. MJ >>> LeBum
@@DonkeyKong5479no kareem>mj
@@schmittiTV Both >>> LeTrash
The dunk contest one should be given to Vince carter
I thought the MVP went to Kareem and FMVP went to Jordan.
Its not about who has the most
@@XX___ lebron lost 6 finals
@@testimonyenitan1799 and?
Kevin McHale is a beast, but he was essentially a starter (averaging over 30 minutes) both years he won the award, and he eventually became a starter, thriving on that great 1986 team. Havlicek is similar, and only averaged under 30 minutes for two of his first three seasons, and eventually became a starter on that Celtics dynasty, and for those 1970s teams.
In my humble opinion, the best true sixth man was Bobby Jones, the inaugural winner of the award. He came off the bench and could contribute at a high level on both sides of the ball.
This man picked Hakeem over Big Ben and Dikembe
Hakeem was the best Defender in the Golden Era of Big Man, why wouldn't be Hakeem?
I would've given the Finals MVP to Jordan again and the Dunk MVP to Vince Carter. He made the dunk contest iconic again.
If we're talking about just most impressive fmvps then Hakeem and Dirk are both easily there over Bron. both of their runs were more impressive.
How come he says Rest In Peace kobe and mark Eatan but not wilt chamberlain
He did lol
1:26
Goofy lol he has not said it in any other videos he has done
This is his first time saying it on recording
In my opinion the 2000 dunk contest with Vince carter was the best it saved the dunk contest
MVP GOAT YOU gotta give to Kareem.
Yup, not even Jordan could get to 6
@@Birrrrra It's not a knock on Jordan. Kareem just won alot of MVPS in his prime, and MOST OF HIS championships with MAGIC.
Idk if u did it already but what bout best players by joursey number😳
I can't believe you didn't choose VC as the Dunk Contest goat... Unbelievable
Wilt turned the sliders to rookie difficulty
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Curry won the 3-point contest 2x.
Hodges has a high percentage that one time. But with the current format, I would argue players focus on making the money balls more than trying to be accurate with all the shots.
Kareem has more MVPs than Jordan
It’s not about who has the most
Best nba player of numbers of seasons played
Nice! You forgot such important awards like Teammate of the Year and my beloved Hustle Award! Dunk contest should be Jason Richardson in my opinion.
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Rebound Rewind is married 2 Jordan, but Nash is definitely his side piece
There is no way LeChina James is the Finals MVP GOAT. The reason you picked LeChina is exactly why MJ is the GOAT. He would never let his team get so far behind when the chip is on the line.
Bro Michael Jordan should not have won the dunk contest mvp it should have went to Nate Robinson he had the most dunk Contest wins
Larry Bird: 3-Point GOAT
Dennis Rodman: Rebound GOAT
Boi curry is the 3-point GOAT
Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace deserve a mention. Just sayin
I got Vince for the dunk contest
DUNK CONTEST GOAT IS VINCE CARTER !!!
Not going to lie these characters look a little scary
Dunk contest : Vince
MVP : Kareem
ROTY Wilt Chamberlain, MVP Michael Jordan, FMVP Michael Jordan, 6th Man Of The Year Manu
please dont make lists based on your favourite players. vince is by FAR the better dunk contest winner of all time, second is zach lavine (this one is up for debate) and third would be jordan.
Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams should've been the best 6th man
Can't believe you didn't choose Steph for 3pt contest
Ikr .. Steph's 3pts to games played ratio is clearly better than any other players ever..
Vince Carter should have won your dunk contest thing
all good, cept the fact of the dunk champ is VC over jordan..
Where’s Kareem
starts and ends with the GOAT
Really you put Dominique for dunk contest? No one should be there but Vince. You got that one wrong. But rest on point!
Dunk contest should go to Vince Carter OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!
Just shows you again how underrated stockton is. In my opinion the best point guard ever
Vince Carter > Jordan(dunk contest but probably skill wise too)
Vince is underrated skills wise, but he's not on Jordan's level in terms of skill-set.
@@blo2706 Vince is amongst larry in all time 3's
plus his defence isn't much worse
better finisher
way better shooter
slightly better playmaker
and a worse defender
sure post game isnt there
but he better
Kareem has 6 MVPS