I almost agree with everything you say but that 2022 warriors rings legit. That Celtics team just won. And I truly think that was Steph’s best performance.
The reason the Spurs are considered a dynasty from 1999-2014 isn’t just because they had Tim Duncan and Coach Pop but also because they never had a losing season through out that stretch. They never missed the playoffs and had 50 wins or above every season, so they were considered a title contender every year that Duncan played on the Spurs.
Honestly I think Larry Bird’s Celtics should be considered a dynasty. They won three chips in six years, while making the finals every year between 84-87 in a stacked East. To me that’s plenty of domination to be considered a dynasty. In fact that’s what made the Lakers and Celtics rivalry of the 1980s so unique, it was not just two teams, but two DYNASTIES going at each others throats fighting for legacy.
Another analogy to the DWade Heat “dynasty” would be that Kobe (and DFish) were on the 00-02 Championship teams as well as 09-10, so it would be like saying the Lakers were a Dynasty from 2000-2010. Which is beyond just a stretch.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run. Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams: -Back-to-Back Chips (12,13) -3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs -4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20) -8 Straight Finals (11-18) -9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20) -10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
@@samconn7276I disagree. I feel that if you win at least 3 rings in 5 years, no matter how it’s done, that’s a dynasty. That level of dominance is so hard to reach and maintain
This video, did not consider the lbj-led Miami to be a dynasty, since that 2011 was indeed more of reverberating than that of 2016...and that 2014 blow out by a stacked old spurs players
@@freeddawg2882 they still weren’t inexperienced though . They’d been battle tested, won multiple playoff series across multiple years it’s not like they were just put together in the offseason
Jordan didn't suffer 'Too much rest' in '95. He trained his body for a completely different sport. He wasn't resting, he was working his ass off-just not at basketball. So yes, he came back unprepared for basketball, and became fatigued. If fatigue and fitness was a factor, we would expect this to be rectified after a pre-season of proper basketball preparation. So what happened the year after? Oh, 96 Bulls. That's right... And your next argument is even worse.... 'The Chicago bulls claim to the best team ever in 96 is crap, because the Chicago bulls were the best team ever in 92'. What a weird argument...
I feel like it’s also important to point out the Lakers game 6 vs the kings, where kings were up 3-2. The refs proceeded to send lakers to the line 27 times to Kings 9 in the 4th quarter alone, with Tim Donaghy admitting that they were rigging it. Lakers eventually beat them in 7 but if it weren’t for the officiating they wouldn’t have gotten there in the first place
7:05: that’s really looking for something negative to say. He didn’t rest for two years, he was playing a totally different sport for 2 years… They still lost fair and square to Orlando ( H Grant was a huge loss for them and a massive win for Orlando), but it’s obvious that MJ wasn’t back to shape yet. Just look at the next season and how much better he was after a few months of training.
Bruh, in 2022 the excuse is Warriors beat the Celtics because the Celtics are inexperienced but in 2015 Warriors are inexperienced also but the excuse is that the Cavs were injured and LeBron have no help
I'm aware that 1957 to 1969 was long ago and the skill sets were different and there were a lot fewer teams, but it amazes me how many people discount the Celtics winning 11 titles in 13 years. People debate MJ and Kobe, but Bill Russell has as many rings as they do combined! People criticize greats for not winning (took MJ 7 years, Kobe has some bad seasons, James lost a lot of finals, Duncan didn't go back-to-back) as if it's fair to expect a great player to win every single year. However, there was in fact a great player who did win damn near every year, and yet he's not praised at all but completely disrespected as a plumber. It's so strange to me.
Plus, people have no idea how hard it is to win again. Right after you win, all teams are gunning for you. Heck, in 1969, the Lakers even put up a super team (Wilt, West, Baylor) to go against Bill Russell's Celtics, and they still lost. Everyone acknowledges that Wilt and West could still play in today's game. They went against Russell multiple times, and lost every time.
@@DaniL-ph5ks damn I just realize Ray Allen saved them from chocking again and it was Kyrie who made that 3 points shot in 2016. Now this got me thinking!
@@callumbronn if Ray Allen misses that 3,SEVERE,CRIPPLING damage would have immediately happened to lebrons legacy. In 2016,i dont see anyone on the cavs roster,icluding lebron with the skills and mettle to make that shot other than kyrie irving.
@@wpriddy No, I meant Eisley's shot clock violation that should have been a three pointer and Harper's basket that should have been a shot clock violation.
How you gonna say LBJ better? How many rings does he have? Y'all gotta remember, MJ probably would've had 8 straight had his father not been murdered after #3. RIP, Mr. Jeffery Jordan.
2016 Championship was undoubtedly historical but the real asterisk to it are: Key players and I repeat, key players were absent on the Warriors to favor the come back. Not denying it's significance but to say all the odds were against them was ironic and on the contrary greatly helped them for easier consecutive wins.
Argument for the Warriors is applicable to all dynasties. Are we just going to ignore that the Celtics dynasty was a walking Hall of Fame? The Showtime Lakers with Magic basically having his personal dream team? The Bulls having the best player and arguably the second best player along with the best role players in that era? So was the Kobe-Shaq, are we gonna ignore that Kobe and Shaq was the highest scoring duo in playoff history and their supporting cast is made up of the best defensive players in that era? Lastly the Spurs, their core were all stars at some point in their career plus they got a solid young kid in their last chip that went to be a DPOY and FMVP in two separate teams. You can't be a dynasty if you don't stack the best players available. That's a prerequisite. The only bad thing the Warriors did was to trade for the second best player in the league while they had the best record of all time the previous year.
Now if you watch this video you see how he down the early years of the NBA which is the first 30 years. The 1st million dollar contract was in the mid late 80's. Wnba suppose to be making millions now.
Wouldn't the Spurs dynasty be for 4 rings, you know, considering that their core (Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Pop) was there for all four. With that being said, you can't compare them to the Heat dynasty because that core was completely different by the time LeBron got there.
I agree with your take. I believe that the Spurs were a dynasty for that long because, like you said, they had the same fundamental CORE of players and coaching personell. The heat’s core and personell were completely different, outside of Wade, by the time Lebron got there
Caviots and asterisksincluded, the Spurs were a dynasty. Yes it was spread out but the cumulative record over those years are on par with any great NBA team during that 14 year time span
Out of these imo the smallest astericks is the warriors, bro just called them bad cuz they made a good team Also the first finals I think of when I here warriors finals is 2022
The 73-9 with unanimous MVP Warriors Team wasn't the KD one, but the Harrison Barnes, Green, Curry and KT. Four drafted players. After Barnes leaves and KD arrives, Warriors wasn't able to even get closer to finish with 73-9 or better. And still with four drafted players, as Bogut leaves and Looney take his place. So, I dont think this situation is similar to USA Team in any aspect, as the USA Team coach have 30 NBA teams to pick any player he want to pick.
2:47 it will never be lost on me you use this obscure song from Mario Strikers Charged here. I notice this every time and it makes me laugh to hear it again after all this time haha
wait did you just say charles barkley did not deserve to be in the olympics because he was not "good"? Bro was an absolute beast during his time in the 76ers, Suns and Rockets but had no help from his teammates. There was a saying when shaq tries to brag about his rings, give him a Dwayne wade or Kobe and he would have had a least a ring or two.
What about the 94 to 95 Houston Rockets? Especially the 95 rockets they started from the bottom in rankings and fought their way to the championship. Then there's the 89 to 90 Pistons they beat the Bulls, Byrd's Celtics and Showtime Lakers.
i like how Kobes second dynasty isnt mentioned considering the fact he went to finals 3 times, won 2 back to back, and as a direct result led to the creation of the big 3 dwade led miami heat.
@@KadenWilliamson-c1j D Wade on record saying it was and you're right Dwade took a step back for Lebron to shine but that speaks to Dwade's versatility to quickly get accustom to being a role player that also took games over when needed.
@@KadenWilliamson-c1j Dwade said it himself that the big 3 was formed because kobe got his 5th title and yes Dwade was the leader all 4 years, he just LET lebron get his stats
@F1nalB0zz super cap. D wade out his own mouth said in order for the team to be successful he had to give the keys to bron he said that before they second season. It also wasent just for kobe several other teams were gearing up to make title pushes while both wade and brons teams were in limbo making no real moves even after lebron two 60+ win seasons they agents called each other and the rest is history
What about the 2017 & 2018 Western Conference Finals? The Warriors had it made with a Zaza Pachullia-led injury to Kawhi Leonard (Spurs were leading by 21) and an injured Chris Paul (Rockets were up 3-2 in the series).
One game doesn't determine anything. 2017 Warriors were way better than the Spurs on paper. In game one Kawhi was playing out of his mind and Steph Klay Kd etc were all playing worse. Even if the Spurs win that game with Kawhi healthy, the Warriors have positive regression and Spurs negative, Warriors in 5 or 6.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run. Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams: -Back-to-Back Chips (12,13) -3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs -4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20) -8 Straight Finals (11-18) -9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20) -10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
No 1 man dynasty. Just greatness personified. He put every team he was on, into contention. He is the guy that shows up at the gym, and if you got next, you know you are winning a couple with him on your team.
Yeah. A one man dynasty that has played with more all stars and future hall of famers than anyone in league history. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it all by yourself. By surrounding yourself with the best talent in the league and still going 4-10.
@wpriddy not his fault that other people/team wanted to win championships also. The league is competitive like that. He just put himself in the best position to be successful. He is loyal to himself and his circle. Who are you loyal to?
I think the first Lakers and Celtics biggest asterisk is simply there where half the teams. Basketball is a competition and if less teams are playing thats less competition.
The problem with the Spurs "dynasty" is that none of their championships were consecutive. And each of the years they were defending their title, they lost in choking, humiliating fashion that is not befitting of a champion.
What is a dynasty would the late 80’s pistons count as a mini-dynasty? Would the cavs also count as a dynasty with the warriors because they consistently went to the finals even if they didn’t win.
The disrespect given earlier decades is shameful. If the players from the past had the same training as current players they would stars. And more teams is not necessarily better.
Say what you want,but the Jordan Bulls were the greatest dynasty of modern sports. Cope......and cry if you need to,Lebron Fan,and NO,this gold medal wont help him.😅😂😅😂
Kobe/Shaq embarrassing their competition isn't an * on them, because what's the appropriate number of wins for an all-time great team to get in a series? Them losing to the Pistons however, is an *
To me a dynasty is winning at least 3 championships in a 5 or 6 year span. So in the NBA the dynasties have been the 50s Lakers, 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 2000s Spurs, 2000s Lakers, and 2010s Warriors. Other teams fall just short, winning two championships such as the 70s Celtics, late 80s Pistons, 90s Rockets, late 2000s Lakers, and 2010s Heat.
put it this way. If a team wins 3 rings or more in a certain decade then they are a dynasty. That's how it should be. But everyone has their own subjective idea of what it is but that's how me and other people look at it. IJS
rly, the Kobe Shaq dynasty gets a segment for 3 rings, but no 80s Celtics for 4? Or did you ignore it because the double-dynasty narrative would've conflicted with the Spurs critique?
You mentioned the expansion era, and showed the “cannon fodder” you’re talking made the playoffs. lol, on one hand he lost to fodder (Orlando) but when they swept them, they went back to fodder? Amazing two of 4 teams made the playoffs, and all of them came in the league the Pistons was the champions. So why don’t they get tagged for the thing as the Bulls? You literally make a mockery of by belittling competition, and it sounds like you’re mad because Lebron wasn’t a part of a “dynasty”.
I think in the end we can all agree that the best goat is not Michael Jordan or LeBron James or even magic Johnson but it's none other than Ben Simmons........ *Cough cough* I just joking though I would say that I actually like watching Marvin Johnson who was a part of the bulls in the 70s and 80s as he was a great player when was my coach for basketball for highschool and middle school though I digress, I just want the NBA to add four more teams to its entire league so that way we can have more competition and playoffs can be more impactful
It's not about rest for 94-95 Jordan. It's about the fact that his body was literally trained for baseball, which is a completely different type of sport with completely different needs. The 96 bulls were so clearly the best iteration that it doesn't even need to be mentioned. Stop the fucking cap. Damn near everyone on that team, won some type of award or made some type of all nba team. 3 all defensive first team players, 6th man of the year, rebounding and scoring champs, most accurate shooter in the league, the MVP, the coach of the year, the exactive of the year and the most hungry the Bulls have ever been.
fans acting like their opinions matter is hilarious. teams only care about fans dollars. not their opinions. where fans dont respect teams it never matters. there are millions of fans. none of them are special
Good video. I think my only comment would be the reasoning between the Celtics of the 60s and the Bulls of the 90s. The Celtics had a league too small and the Bulls had a league too big? What is considered just right? It's not the Celtics fault that the league was 8-10 teams. They still played a full season which was roughly about 80 games, and those teams they faced were fierce. Why? Because they faced them so much during regular season, they all knew each other. Much like teams in the NFL know each other's division rivals. That's as close to parity as you are going to get. Another thing, the Celtics were a championship team that knew how to win. They did not dominate other teams. We see the results, but many of those playoffs and championships either went the distance or very close. People should look it up and see. Many of these championships went 6 or the full 7 games. That's extremely competitive. As for the Bulls and expansion era reason? That's not their fault either. By this argument, all the teams had it easier with the addition of 4 new teams in the expansion era. Not just the Bulls. Plus how many times would the Bulls (or any other team) face these expansion teams? It doesn't make sense that the Bulls would have an advantage over these 4 new teams and every other team wouldn't. That's not realistic. I think we have to be careful about how we just write off the eras that we did not witness. Namely the Minneapolis Lakers and Boston Celtics Dynasties. I have personally spoke to people who witnessed the Celtics of the 60s and they state very passionately that it was very competitive, physical and that the NBA is softer than it was in the 60s. Unfortunately, I do not know anyone who witnessed the Minneapolis Lakers 5 consecutive championships run. I wish I did because referring to those who witnessed it can give us who didn't a better perspective. My opinion on the Warriors dynasty? Their best championship was against the Boston Celtics. The Celtics may not have had championship experience, but the glue to that team was in the playoffs time and time again. Tatum, Brown and Smart. They were seasoned. In fact, many 'experts' picked them over the Warriors in 2022. Younger, more talented, better bench, better defense, better matchup, etc. That being said, you did a very good job. Keep up the good work!
Honestly Kobe’s Dynasty should be from 2000-2010! 5 Titles in 11 Seasons is crazy. I really don’t care whether he did it with Shaq or Pau. Phil, Fisher, and Kobe were on all 5 Teams! That’s a Dynasty!
While there were some players who needed a job in the off season. This idea that Bill Russell and Wilt played against plumbers is just not really true. There were some players who retired early to make more money, and off season jobs, but no. I think the only person who had a second job in season was a dude in active duty military. Average height was almost the same back then, Russell had to earn it.
Using that logic todays fans will say real NBA basketball started when LeBron got drafted. Which is exactly why so many of them crowned LeBron as the greatest. Also why shows like Gilbert Arenas laugh at 80's basketball.
The NBA is the only sport i know of where choking seems to be regarded worse than just straight up getting dominated. IMO the Lakers losing to the Pistons while not getting close is worse than the Warriors losing out by one game to LEBRON.
Actually, yes, it is partly Pippen's fault for shaking the rim, but c'mon, if I was Shandon Anderson in that moment, I would easily make the layup even with Pippen shaking the rim
Man those Bulls criticisms were the “all time” weakest. A missed goaltending call that didn’t guarantee they lost the series, it didn’t even guarantee they lose the game. Might have only ruined “never went to game 7” even tho they’re also the only dynasty to never lose a series at all. Then the “fatigue is more valid then rust” which he kind just made up. But doesn’t that just make it MORE impressive that twice they won after the fatigue of winning back2back? But my favorite was “The ‘92 Bulls were probably better than the 72 win ‘96 team sooooo” sooo the ‘92 team wasn’t ALSO part of the dynasty?
Yeah I think he just had to make up something for the theme of the video but the Bulls Dynasty is just special. And as time goes on I become more and more thankful I lived through it. Literally there was nothing like it. No game 7 finals, never lost a finals, 72 win team, 2 3peats, denied so many greats rings, had a TEN TIME all scoring champ on the squad, let me repeat TEN SCORING TITLES! Can make all the weak woulda coulda shoulda's but hey...Noone beat them.
The Celtics only won 3 rings in the 80s and none of them were consecutive, they won in 81 then 84 then 86. So I think he didn’t count them as a dynasty
@BeerAndJointsAllDay I think the Spurs are the only exception. They didn't win back to back, but all of their championships have the same core and same coach and they have 5 of them. It's hard not to consider them a dynasty.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Minneapolis Lakers
1:19 Boston Celtics
2:17 Showtime Lakers
5:25 Chicago Bulls
8:00 Kobe & Shaq Lakers
9:53 Spurs
13:15 Golden State Warriors
15:57 Outro
2:56 wtf is a pace factor
I almost agree with everything you say but that 2022 warriors rings legit. That Celtics team just won. And I truly think that was Steph’s best performance.
2011 bobcats?
The reason the Spurs are considered a dynasty from 1999-2014 isn’t just because they had Tim Duncan and Coach Pop but also because they never had a losing season through out that stretch.
They never missed the playoffs and had 50 wins or above every season, so they were considered a title contender every year that Duncan played on the Spurs.
@@seananthony7494 I would say into the 90s to they we’re pretty good with the admiral to.
Where 2024 pistons
In the garbage
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It is impossible to put an asterisk on them
He means 2004? Or he is just joking?
@@nightdonutstudio wdym 2024 pistons is the greatest team of all time
_No Rizz_ when Tony Parker smashed his teammate wife is crazy
he can enter the HoF but i will always remember him as Mr. Fuck-yo-wife bruh
That’s not rizz that’s just fucked up
Well, Lebron’s mom slept with his teammate. That’s even more fkd up.
@@dereklouther9372yea she was fucked up
What??????
Honestly I think Larry Bird’s Celtics should be considered a dynasty. They won three chips in six years, while making the finals every year between 84-87 in a stacked East. To me that’s plenty of domination to be considered a dynasty. In fact that’s what made the Lakers and Celtics rivalry of the 1980s so unique, it was not just two teams, but two DYNASTIES going at each others throats fighting for legacy.
Plus people counted the Spurs' era as such and they never repeated either.
Yeah I mean if the Chiefs are a dynasty in todays world then the Celtics gotta be.
who said they weren;t??? Its common knowledge they were
Eh
Agreed
I like how the 2010s Spurs is just "no rizz" in the thumbnail
That was a good one😂
That’s just not true, Manu has elite rizz
tony parker
@@haanaa9494 lets not go that way😳
@@Balloffamer what did he do?
Not talking about Birds Celtics is crazy
Because there are no asterisk. Except probably that they have fewer rings compared to the lakers
Clearly the perfect dynasty
because theres not much to talk about lol
because it would defeat his later point of the spurs
They kinda only won 3 in a 6 year span, never repeated, and lost 2 Finals
Bro went to professional hater mode 😭
He Became a hater equally
Man he literally showed them all
"The most obvious goaltend in NBA history" you can see how salty this man is when he said that 😂
It was tho ngl
Fr warriors still beat the cavs 3 times, one of them was a shutout💀💀💀🙏🙏🙏
Where is the Qing Dynasty?
Omg😊
gengis
Song and Han need a deep dive too
As a Spurs fan, the whole 3 ring dynasty makes sense.
Another analogy to the DWade Heat “dynasty” would be that Kobe (and DFish) were on the 00-02 Championship teams as well as 09-10, so it would be like saying the Lakers were a Dynasty from 2000-2010. Which is beyond just a stretch.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run.
Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams:
-Back-to-Back Chips (12,13)
-3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs
-4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20)
-8 Straight Finals (11-18)
-9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20)
-10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
@@samconn7276, That is why they call him The King.
@@samconn7276
They also had Phil with them
@@samconn7276I disagree. I feel that if you win at least 3 rings in 5 years, no matter how it’s done, that’s a dynasty. That level of dominance is so hard to reach and maintain
Warriors win Championship:
''IT'S NOT FAIR, SUPER TEAM!!!!'
Raptors beat Warriors to win Championship:
''IT'S NOT FAIR, SUPER TEAM INJURED!!!!
lol
It’s true tho their 2nd and 3rd best players had season ending injuries, as good as Steph was he’s not carrying that team to another ring
@@rollanromeo7585 1st and 3rd best player*
@@AnasShaikh-c2f In terms of the team, 2nd and 3rd, Steph has a better record then KD when comparing their win loss when one of them are injured.
This video, did not consider the lbj-led Miami to be a dynasty, since that 2011 was indeed more of reverberating than that of 2016...and that 2014 blow out by a stacked old spurs players
2022 Celtics inexperienced ? That core had been to the ECF 3 times already
The ECF and Finals are wayyyy different
@@lilbepsi3193 they were still together for years, built chemistry and made multiple deep playoff runs .
@@jtbucketsshorts2213 The finals is just a whole different level dude
but no finals until that moment
@@freeddawg2882 they still weren’t inexperienced though . They’d been battle tested, won multiple playoff series across multiple years it’s not like they were just put together in the offseason
Jordan didn't suffer 'Too much rest' in '95.
He trained his body for a completely different sport. He wasn't resting, he was working his ass off-just not at basketball.
So yes, he came back unprepared for basketball, and became fatigued.
If fatigue and fitness was a factor, we would expect this to be rectified after a pre-season of proper basketball preparation. So what happened the year after?
Oh, 96 Bulls. That's right...
And your next argument is even worse.... 'The Chicago bulls claim to the best team ever in 96 is crap, because the Chicago bulls were the best team ever in 92'.
What a weird argument...
Yes, absolutely poor arguments when discounting the Bulls.
I feel like it’s also important to point out the Lakers game 6 vs the kings, where kings were up 3-2. The refs proceeded to send lakers to the line 27 times to Kings 9 in the 4th quarter alone, with Tim Donaghy admitting that they were rigging it. Lakers eventually beat them in 7 but if it weren’t for the officiating they wouldn’t have gotten there in the first place
7:05: that’s really looking for something negative to say. He didn’t rest for two years, he was playing a totally different sport for 2 years… They still lost fair and square to Orlando ( H Grant was a huge loss for them and a massive win for Orlando), but it’s obvious that MJ wasn’t back to shape yet. Just look at the next season and how much better he was after a few months of training.
I feel if the Spurs are counted, the 80s Celtics should be
True 80's was Lakers and Celtics until the 89 and 90 when the Pistons won.
Bruh, in 2022 the excuse is Warriors beat the Celtics because the Celtics are inexperienced but in 2015 Warriors are inexperienced also but the excuse is that the Cavs were injured and LeBron have no help
I'm aware that 1957 to 1969 was long ago and the skill sets were different and there were a lot fewer teams, but it amazes me how many people discount the Celtics winning 11 titles in 13 years. People debate MJ and Kobe, but Bill Russell has as many rings as they do combined! People criticize greats for not winning (took MJ 7 years, Kobe has some bad seasons, James lost a lot of finals, Duncan didn't go back-to-back) as if it's fair to expect a great player to win every single year. However, there was in fact a great player who did win damn near every year, and yet he's not praised at all but completely disrespected as a plumber. It's so strange to me.
Plus, people have no idea how hard it is to win again. Right after you win, all teams are gunning for you. Heck, in 1969, the Lakers even put up a super team (Wilt, West, Baylor) to go against Bill Russell's Celtics, and they still lost.
Everyone acknowledges that Wilt and West could still play in today's game. They went against Russell multiple times, and lost every time.
Ginobili's gold medal definitely would have made up for it if he never got an NBA title
LBJ played N the weakest conference threw out his whole career
You hate for a career.
@@SomeKindOfSpy no just telling the truth
He is right
@@kennylynch8575 he is right
@kennylynch8575 90's was the weakest time son mj is a fraud
Damn lebron never had a dynasty 🤣🤣
Ofc because he keeps changing team.
@@stump4522well if he hadn't choked in 2011 then the heatles could've been considered a dynasty
@@DaniL-ph5ks damn I just realize Ray Allen saved them from chocking again and it was Kyrie who made that 3 points shot in 2016. Now this got me thinking!
@EA-dweller Ray Allen and Ky hit clutch shots, but didn't "save" anyone. Context is key.
@@callumbronn if Ray Allen misses that 3,SEVERE,CRIPPLING damage would have immediately happened to lebrons legacy. In 2016,i dont see anyone on the cavs roster,icluding lebron with the skills and mettle to make that shot other than kyrie irving.
I am astounded by the fact that you did not mention those two miscalls in G6 of the '98 Finals.
Which ones? The ones you wish happened where both the players involved said it wasn't a foul?
@@wpriddy No, I meant Eisley's shot clock violation that should have been a three pointer and Harper's basket that should have been a shot clock violation.
Missed calls do happened even in modern NBA, how much more during the 90s...
How in the hell are the 80's Celtics left off? They were the team to beat in the East until 1992
Why is he saying the raptors win was legit, even though we were somewhat beat up, but when the cavs were beat up it isn’t legit💀💀
What about the 2008 Celtics, the most famous 1-title dynasty in NBA history?
I think the 2004 Pistons would have a word about that
How you gonna say LBJ better? How many rings does he have? Y'all gotta remember, MJ probably would've had 8 straight had his father not been murdered after #3. RIP, Mr. Jeffery Jordan.
2016 Championship was undoubtedly historical but the real asterisk to it are: Key players and I repeat, key players were absent on the Warriors to favor the come back. Not denying it's significance but to say all the odds were against them was ironic and on the contrary greatly helped them for easier consecutive wins.
Argument for the Warriors is applicable to all dynasties. Are we just going to ignore that the Celtics dynasty was a walking Hall of Fame? The Showtime Lakers with Magic basically having his personal dream team? The Bulls having the best player and arguably the second best player along with the best role players in that era? So was the Kobe-Shaq, are we gonna ignore that Kobe and Shaq was the highest scoring duo in playoff history and their supporting cast is made up of the best defensive players in that era? Lastly the Spurs, their core were all stars at some point in their career plus they got a solid young kid in their last chip that went to be a DPOY and FMVP in two separate teams.
You can't be a dynasty if you don't stack the best players available. That's a prerequisite. The only bad thing the Warriors did was to trade for the second best player in the league while they had the best record of all time the previous year.
No rizz might be the craziest thumbnail in history ngl
Now if you watch this video you see how he down the early years of the NBA which is the first 30 years. The 1st million dollar contract was in the mid late 80's. Wnba suppose to be making millions now.
Also don't forget the Robert Horry / Steve Nash incident in game 4 of the 2007 WCF.
Saying MJ was coming off of rest is cap. He was still in the minors playing an entirely different sport
If you consider the 03-07 spurs and the 00-02 lakers a dynasty then of course Birds Celtics should be a dynasty.
The Knicks were also beasts in the 80s. Bernard King took the Celtics to 7 where each team won their home games
Wouldn't the Spurs dynasty be for 4 rings, you know, considering that their core (Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Pop) was there for all four. With that being said, you can't compare them to the Heat dynasty because that core was completely different by the time LeBron got there.
I think Kawhi being there in 2014 had something to do with it.
Bro fell for the bait
I agree with your take. I believe that the Spurs were a dynasty for that long because, like you said, they had the same fundamental CORE of players and coaching personell. The heat’s core and personell were completely different, outside of Wade, by the time Lebron got there
What heat dynasty????😂😅😂😅
The Heat Dynasty? What's that?
😂😂😂😂 for each team, this man said anything. No real thought went into this.
Caviots and asterisksincluded, the Spurs were a dynasty. Yes it was spread out but the cumulative record over those years are on par with any great NBA team during that 14 year time span
the thing about the 2016 finals was that draymond got suspended and steph curry slightly tore his mcl so he wasnt running around like he usually does
And andrew bogut their only rim protector went down and iggy had a bad back.
Typical Draymond... not the Cavs fault.
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The spurs were making the playoffs each year and winning 50+ games every year! That's a dynasty to me!
So first you said dynasty has to dominate to be a dynasty, but then GSW has an asterisk because KD and Steph make it Olympic gold
5:40 notice how Mikan is by himself. Shows how he doesn’t need a whole super team to 3 peat. I know who my goat is 😤
Out of these imo the smallest astericks is the warriors, bro just called them bad cuz they made a good team
Also the first finals I think of when I here warriors finals is 2022
Thanks rebound for a new great video hope u have a good day 👍🏿
The 73-9 with unanimous MVP Warriors Team wasn't the KD one, but the Harrison Barnes, Green, Curry and KT. Four drafted players.
After Barnes leaves and KD arrives, Warriors wasn't able to even get closer to finish with 73-9 or better. And still with four drafted players, as Bogut leaves and Looney take his place.
So, I dont think this situation is similar to USA Team in any aspect, as the USA Team coach have 30 NBA teams to pick any player he want to pick.
2:47 it will never be lost on me you use this obscure song from Mario Strikers Charged here. I notice this every time and it makes me laugh to hear it again after all this time haha
wait did you just say charles barkley did not deserve to be in the olympics because he was not "good"? Bro was an absolute beast during his time in the 76ers, Suns and Rockets but had no help from his teammates. There was a saying when shaq tries to brag about his rings, give him a Dwayne wade or Kobe and he would have had a least a ring or two.
What about the 94 to 95 Houston Rockets? Especially the 95 rockets they started from the bottom in rankings and fought their way to the championship. Then there's the 89 to 90 Pistons they beat the Bulls, Byrd's Celtics and Showtime Lakers.
For the spurs if you remove 1999 Tim, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili were on all those teams so i think you can say 2003-14
Playing justice league unlimited intro is very fitting for bird and magic
Most underrated nba channel swear you and the flight Mike
2:33 is that an 8 bit version of the Justice League unlimited theme song in the background?
Hi Rebound i think it’s always a good day when you upload
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i like how Kobes second dynasty isnt mentioned considering the fact he went to finals 3 times, won 2 back to back, and as a direct result led to the creation of the big 3 dwade led miami heat.
Definitely wasn’t the direct result of that team and to say dwade LED Miami heat team is funny😂
@@KadenWilliamson-c1j D Wade on record saying it was and you're right Dwade took a step back for Lebron to shine but that speaks to Dwade's versatility to quickly get accustom to being a role player that also took games over when needed.
Took a step back? The man knees disintegrated. By the second season it was very very clear lebron was the number 1. Yall be on one fr.@Vennnnnnnnnn
@@KadenWilliamson-c1j Dwade said it himself that the big 3 was formed because kobe got his 5th title and yes Dwade was the leader all 4 years, he just LET lebron get his stats
@F1nalB0zz super cap. D wade out his own mouth said in order for the team to be successful he had to give the keys to bron he said that before they second season. It also wasent just for kobe several other teams were gearing up to make title pushes while both wade and brons teams were in limbo making no real moves even after lebron two 60+ win seasons they agents called each other and the rest is history
Boy tiktok is about to have a field trip with this one😂😂😂
The I love mom tat on LeBron 😂
What about the 2017 & 2018 Western Conference Finals? The Warriors had it made with a Zaza Pachullia-led injury to Kawhi Leonard (Spurs were leading by 21) and an injured Chris Paul (Rockets were up 3-2 in the series).
One game doesn't determine anything. 2017 Warriors were way better than the Spurs on paper. In game one Kawhi was playing out of his mind and Steph Klay Kd etc were all playing worse. Even if the Spurs win that game with Kawhi healthy, the Warriors have positive regression and Spurs negative, Warriors in 5 or 6.
Jordan didnt have rest he was learning how to play an entirely different sport lol
But he was still in shape
@TiagoGomez-hb9te Not in basketball shape.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run.
Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams:
-Back-to-Back Chips (12,13)
-3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs
-4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20)
-8 Straight Finals (11-18)
-9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20)
-10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
No 1 man dynasty. Just greatness personified. He put every team he was on, into contention. He is the guy that shows up at the gym, and if you got next, you know you are winning a couple with him on your team.
Yeah. A one man dynasty that has played with more all stars and future hall of famers than anyone in league history. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it all by yourself. By surrounding yourself with the best talent in the league and still going 4-10.
@wpriddy not his fault that other people/team wanted to win championships also. The league is competitive like that. He just put himself in the best position to be successful. He is loyal to himself and his circle. Who are you loyal to?
I think the first Lakers and Celtics biggest asterisk is simply there where half the teams. Basketball is a competition and if less teams are playing thats less competition.
The problem with the Spurs "dynasty" is that none of their championships were consecutive. And each of the years they were defending their title, they lost in choking, humiliating fashion that is not befitting of a champion.
You don’t have to repeat.. bouncing back is just as successful. 5 over 15 years.. only 3 other franchises have done that in history
Excellent, thoughtful, analysis and humour to boot
My Opinion on the NBA Dynasties:
1950-1954 Lakers (Mikan Era) Mega Dynasty
1957-1969 Celtics (Russel Era) Mega Dynasty
1970-1973 Knicks (Reed Era)
1977-1983 76ers ( Dr.J Era)
1980-1988 Lakers (Magic Era) Mega Dynasty
1981-1987 Celtics (Bird Era)
1988-1990 Pistons (Thomas Era)
1991-1998 Bulls (Jordan Era) Mega Dynasty
1994-1995 Rockets (Hakeem Era)
1999-2014 Spurs (Duncan Era) Mega Dynasty
2000-2010 Lakers (Kobe Era) Mega Dynasty
2011-2014 Heat (LeBron Era)
2015-2022 Warriors (Curry Era) Mega Dynasty
Wilts numbers are more 1960s
Hilarious! Five rings in nine finals appearances is nothing to scoff at, then you immediately scoff at it. 😂
What is a dynasty would the late 80’s pistons count as a mini-dynasty? Would the cavs also count as a dynasty with the warriors because they consistently went to the finals even if they didn’t win.
NBA dynasty is all about winning 3 or more rings
@@ShaughnTorres I see your point but I still think the term dynasty doesn’t have a concrete definition and doesn’t have much of a meaning.
Gotta win back to back to be a dynasty.
@@reubengray6026 They won back to back though
Guys I just want to point out that this man is saying the problem with the warriors dynasty was they were too good and talented
Warriors finals makes me think of the 2018 JR Smith THROW
The disrespect given earlier decades is shameful. If the players from the past had the same training as current players they would stars. And more teams is not necessarily better.
That last Warriors asterisk can be used for every bulls ring except the last one
Say what you want,but the Jordan Bulls were the greatest dynasty of modern sports. Cope......and cry if you need to,Lebron Fan,and NO,this gold medal wont help him.😅😂😅😂
@@jonthomson9262 the only person coping and crying is you
@@gold-man9 what do i need to cry for.......i see you trying to tear Jordan down to lebrons level.🤣🤣
@@jonthomson9262 You’re words speak volumes bud
Kobe/Shaq embarrassing their competition isn't an * on them, because what's the appropriate number of wins for an all-time great team to get in a series?
Them losing to the Pistons however, is an *
They faced fodder teams
Spurs had s 20 year reign bro and own the longest playoff appearance streak in history.. the core 3 players wore in tact for most of those years
To me a dynasty is winning at least 3 championships in a 5 or 6 year span. So in the NBA the dynasties have been the 50s Lakers, 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 2000s Spurs, 2000s Lakers, and 2010s Warriors. Other teams fall just short, winning two championships such as the 70s Celtics, late 80s Pistons, 90s Rockets, late 2000s Lakers, and 2010s Heat.
put it this way. If a team wins 3 rings or more in a certain decade then they are a dynasty. That's how it should be. But everyone has their own subjective idea of what it is but that's how me and other people look at it. IJS
3 in a 5 year span with a back 2 back.
You can add back to back but not really because the Celtics didn't win back to back championships in the 80s and they're considered as a dynasty
Another LeBron fan video 🎼🎼🎸
LBJ better than ‘90s Bulls? Man, you trippin’
rly, the Kobe Shaq dynasty gets a segment for 3 rings, but no 80s Celtics for 4? Or did you ignore it because the double-dynasty narrative would've conflicted with the Spurs critique?
The jla unlimited theme at 2:18 was so nostalgic
You mentioned the expansion era, and showed the “cannon fodder” you’re talking made the playoffs. lol, on one hand he lost to fodder (Orlando) but when they swept them, they went back to fodder? Amazing two of 4 teams made the playoffs, and all of them came in the league the Pistons was the champions. So why don’t they get tagged for the thing as the Bulls?
You literally make a mockery of by belittling competition, and it sounds like you’re mad because Lebron wasn’t a part of a “dynasty”.
I think in the end we can all agree that the best goat is not Michael Jordan or LeBron James or even magic Johnson but it's none other than Ben Simmons........ *Cough cough* I just joking though I would say that I actually like watching Marvin Johnson who was a part of the bulls in the 70s and 80s as he was a great player when was my coach for basketball for highschool and middle school though I digress, I just want the NBA to add four more teams to its entire league so that way we can have more competition and playoffs can be more impactful
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All these dynasties have the biggest Asterisk as "No Lebron on roster" LOL.
I now understand why KD don’t pass the ball
It's not about rest for 94-95 Jordan. It's about the fact that his body was literally trained for baseball, which is a completely different type of sport with completely different needs.
The 96 bulls were so clearly the best iteration that it doesn't even need to be mentioned. Stop the fucking cap. Damn near everyone on that team, won some type of award or made some type of all nba team. 3 all defensive first team players, 6th man of the year, rebounding and scoring champs, most accurate shooter in the league, the MVP, the coach of the year, the exactive of the year and the most hungry the Bulls have ever been.
The spurs take is really good bro well done
It’s like watching that decoy episode when he says “dynasty”
fans acting like their opinions matter is hilarious. teams only care about fans dollars. not their opinions. where fans dont respect teams it never matters. there are millions of fans. none of them are special
I find this video very funny. He really couldn't get much of an asterisks on the Bulls
Good video. I think my only comment would be the reasoning between the Celtics of the 60s and the Bulls of the 90s.
The Celtics had a league too small and the Bulls had a league too big? What is considered just right?
It's not the Celtics fault that the league was 8-10 teams. They still played a full season which was roughly about 80 games, and those teams they faced were fierce. Why? Because they faced them so much during regular season, they all knew each other. Much like teams in the NFL know each other's division rivals. That's as close to parity as you are going to get. Another thing, the Celtics were a championship team that knew how to win. They did not dominate other teams. We see the results, but many of those playoffs and championships either went the distance or very close. People should look it up and see. Many of these championships went 6 or the full 7 games. That's extremely competitive.
As for the Bulls and expansion era reason? That's not their fault either. By this argument, all the teams had it easier with the addition of 4 new teams in the expansion era. Not just the Bulls. Plus how many times would the Bulls (or any other team) face these expansion teams? It doesn't make sense that the Bulls would have an advantage over these 4 new teams and every other team wouldn't. That's not realistic.
I think we have to be careful about how we just write off the eras that we did not witness. Namely the Minneapolis Lakers and Boston Celtics Dynasties. I have personally spoke to people who witnessed the Celtics of the 60s and they state very passionately that it was very competitive, physical and that the NBA is softer than it was in the 60s. Unfortunately, I do not know anyone who witnessed the Minneapolis Lakers 5 consecutive championships run. I wish I did because referring to those who witnessed it can give us who didn't a better perspective.
My opinion on the Warriors dynasty? Their best championship was against the Boston Celtics. The Celtics may not have had championship experience, but the glue to that team was in the playoffs time and time again. Tatum, Brown and Smart. They were seasoned. In fact, many 'experts' picked them over the Warriors in 2022. Younger, more talented, better bench, better defense, better matchup, etc.
That being said, you did a very good job. Keep up the good work!
Honestly Kobe’s Dynasty should be from 2000-2010! 5 Titles in 11 Seasons is crazy. I really don’t care whether he did it with Shaq or Pau. Phil, Fisher, and Kobe were on all 5 Teams! That’s a Dynasty!
what’s the asterisk on dillon brooks grizzlies? how is that dynasty not on here
You cant be a dynasty unless you win consecutive chips
While there were some players who needed a job in the off season. This idea that Bill Russell and Wilt played against plumbers is just not really true. There were some players who retired early to make more money, and off season jobs, but no. I think the only person who had a second job in season was a dude in active duty military. Average height was almost the same back then, Russell had to earn it.
Basketball became REAL NBA basketball when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson popped up
Using that logic todays fans will say real NBA basketball started when LeBron got drafted. Which is exactly why so many of them crowned LeBron as the greatest. Also why shows like Gilbert Arenas laugh at 80's basketball.
EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, SOMEONE IS ALWAYS HATING ON THE LAKERS! You win the “HATERS’ BALL CLOWN MVP”
No rizz is crazy
The NBA is the only sport i know of where choking seems to be regarded worse than just straight up getting dominated. IMO the Lakers losing to the Pistons while not getting close is worse than the Warriors losing out by one game to LEBRON.
You lost me at the Warriors one. “The dynasty doesn’t count because they did it with a good team” 😭??
Actually, yes, it is partly Pippen's fault for shaking the rim, but c'mon, if I was Shandon Anderson in that moment, I would easily make the layup even with Pippen shaking the rim
you are not him
@@Gedaxy_ It's just a layup all I have to do is spin the ball
12:11 "Burnt out" from playing... a year ago?
Man those Bulls criticisms were the “all time” weakest. A missed goaltending call that didn’t guarantee they lost the series, it didn’t even guarantee they lose the game. Might have only ruined “never went to game 7” even tho they’re also the only dynasty to never lose a series at all. Then the “fatigue is more valid then rust” which he kind just made up. But doesn’t that just make it MORE impressive that twice they won after the fatigue of winning back2back? But my favorite was “The ‘92 Bulls were probably better than the 72 win ‘96 team sooooo” sooo the ‘92 team wasn’t ALSO part of the dynasty?
Yeah I think he just had to make up something for the theme of the video but the Bulls Dynasty is just special. And as time goes on I become more and more thankful I lived through it. Literally there was nothing like it. No game 7 finals, never lost a finals, 72 win team, 2 3peats, denied so many greats rings, had a TEN TIME all scoring champ on the squad, let me repeat TEN SCORING TITLES! Can make all the weak woulda coulda shoulda's but hey...Noone beat them.
Gotta ask yourself, what if they lose those finals? A 5-1 record is gonna ruin their reputation?
@arguseyed9982 What if? There are no what if's. The Chicago Bulls have never lost an NBA finals. No dynasty can say that.
4:02 Isaiah Thomas dropped over 30 that game
Where is bird's 80s celtics???
The Celtics only won 3 rings in the 80s and none of them were consecutive, they won in 81 then 84 then 86. So I think he didn’t count them as a dynasty
Gotta win back to back to be a dynasty.
@@reubengray6026 When did the Spurs won back to back????
Spurs went to the finals 6 times as many as the bulls and they won 5
@BeerAndJointsAllDay I think the Spurs are the only exception. They didn't win back to back, but all of their championships have the same core and same coach and they have 5 of them. It's hard not to consider them a dynasty.
Bro dissing the Cleveland team Lebron and the clowns is hilarious