MSI x570 Tomahawk refuses to P.O.S.T. (PC Troubleshooting guide)
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2021
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Comments like "I know no one watch that video" is just depresing, I hope u get your will and positivity back man.
Agreed. In general I enjoy his content but the IDGAF attitude he seems to have with components on some videos & the self-deprecation is a little off putting.
We care about you Timmy Joe. I'm sure any of us would be willing to lend an ear if you ever need to vent or whatever.
@@TLM-Nathan I agree, I mean I am mostly worried for him, its not like: “dont be bad mood its not entertaining!” Its just not healthy to pretend u laugh, u are happy etc at the end it shows either way. How we feel dont really matter😅
I don't know what happened to windows.. It was a new copy fresh install...Had to reinstall after Timmy dropped all my shit!! JK. Love you Timmy Joe. Its all running good now.
Ist that a Dark Base 700? What happened to your LEDs at the front panel? Did Timmy dropped the case too? :P
So this happened to mine this morning.. worked fine last night. I have 3900x and 5700xt and have been working, untouched since August 2020. Now pc throws vga light everytime. I can't figure it out and still watching this video
I had that happen to me twice with 2004 and 20R2, new installation, drivers on it, copy data to new install, Windows corrupts itself, done! Thanks, @MICROSOFT #MYWINDOW'SNEVEROPEN
@3:39 There are FOUR LIGHTS!
Great job Timmy Joe. I'm new to the channel. Glad to see a "real" troubleshooting session where sometimes mistakes are made along the way. You handled it beautifully and helped educate everyone in the process.
These types of videos are what I enjoy most. I love troubleshooting PC hardware. Thanks for your continued content. Have a great day!
While the whole "oh I can turn on the PC with just a screwdriver!" thing looks kinda pro, it's a pain sometimes. I ripped out an a power/reset button panel from an old case I had to throw away :D.
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I don't know other people but this is my kind of video... Brings me memories and nostalgia from the time that I did this kind of troubleshooting on PCs and servers, from office PC to blades. I remember having the weirdest cases of noob install and other times having to check PSU cables in order to find a problem.... Amazing video...
I honestly love these videos. Stuff like this has helped me with my buddies' computer issues.
There's a fair amount of overlap with my one friend's new issue. We both got new 6800's, and his system would not even showcase any power on the mobo with the new card installed. The moment he put his 1060 back in, PC had power. Sent the 6800 in for RMA, but I'm still searching for answers in case Newegg says it's fine.
I love this troubleshooting type videos. Nice job!
I stayed up 6 hrs last night trying to post my mo: Only to find out I did not plug in my 8 pin connector.
Oof, that's pain.
Just today, a friend of mine told me his computer wasn't turning on. I told him to check if every power cable was connected (including GPU, and wall plug). And also, wait, since he moved the ram sticks, and system needed a moment maybe.
It was just that, everything was plugged in, just needed to wait xD
But still, remain calm at all times and always check you connected every necessary thing.
I was helping my friend troubleshoot his computer not posting over a video chat after his old system bricked and i walked him through building a new system, the new one wouldn't display anything and we tried everything, getting no error lights on the mobo, so after hours i had an epiphany and asked if he had his display cables plugged into the GPU... he had it plugged into the I/O slot instead lol it finally posted after that
@@Rezzell Like really? These RYZEN 3xxx CPU's take forever to boot at first, over 3 minutes in my case and I too thought my MoBo was bad after upgrading the UEFI. This should be more common knowledge and needs to be mentioned in reviews in the future, right?!
Great Job BTW, you fixed something XD
But really, that's how you learn bro, keep on learning and one day you are a specialist like that!
Speaking of weird. My friend and I once had identical Biostar motherboards, ram, GPU, and Sempron +2800 setups. Determined it was a bad cpu after my rig worked great after trying his cpu. On a whim he tried my cpu in his rig and it worked!? Thinking might have been a connection, dirt, etc we switched back and here's the weird part...my cpu still did not work in my rig AND his no longer worked in it's original rig! We switched cpus and both our pcs worked great until our next upgrades. Never have figured that one out.
Could be a bad socket that bend one of the pins in a weired way and after swapping it, the bad socket slightly damaged the other cpu too. Like that it's only lucky that the CPU's worked after switching them around again. Computers are like a parodys: nuts!
@@WeeManXL Sounds plausible, too bad never know for sure. yeah nuts!
great video. honest content is always the best. ive done so many daft things over the years. the trick that you already know - is to keep at it - there is always a fix
Hey Mr.Timmy Joe! We do the same thing. I own a repair business here in my hometown. My customers mostly bring laptops though. And, the occasional old guy who messed up his Windows 10 update and his PC wont boot. I also solder and repair at the component level.
Nice I'm more of a software repair guy
Same situation here. I just got back into hardware repair and refurbishing computer after a 5 year hiatus (twins were born 5 years ago lol). Laptop have definitely been a common thing around here. I haven't bothered with getting the appropriate soldering equipment. If it needs soldered I send refer them to a place nearby that's been doing it for years.
Thank you for teaching us this lesson, the future is built off the shoulders of giants.
enjoyed watching you work some useful advice for Mortherboard, CPU troubleshooting 👍🏽
Got there in the end. Good fix!
I had that problem for a few months and it started working one day. Couldnt tell you what it was. Same motherboard but it works sweet now.
Last year when I bought a 3700X and an ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4, the motherboard would not post with the 3700 X in it. Only thing I did that worked was put my older 1500X in it and update the BIOS. Has worked fine since.
Thanks for the video, always enjoy a good old PC troubleshooting video. The case however is horrible upside down and backward just looks awkward to deal with but either way thanks for the video.
Looks like the be quiet! Dark Base 700... I have this right beside me... and it is not flipped in default configuration... you can reconfigure it... there is even a test bench configuration...
I watched the Aptiva video as it was one of my favourite computers of the 90s 🙂
First thing I always do is take the motherboard out of the case. That way I can eliminate the case is being the issue and any of the connections inside the case
I had the exact same issue with the exact same MB.The problem started after i updated the BIOS to version 7C84v14.Sometimes the computer posted, some others didn't, indicating VGA problem.The issue dissapeared after i updated the BIOS to version 7C84v15.It also worked fine with the original BIOS version 7C84v13
I built a new computer late last year and had this exact same board. It quit posting within a week. Luckily Microcenter has a 2 week return policy so I just traded it in for an ASUS 570 and haven't had an issue. There some things I liked better on the MSI layout, but I like my computer working better.
Timmy Joe ain't no SIMP. Getting a little roasty here and there. 🤣👌
Make the series, this stuff is very interesting, useful and entertaining.
By the way, I got a PC troubleshooting speaker with my case. I mean, my case had it in accessory pack.
I love how this grounded in a local community. Like you obviously love at computers.
You are a legend - real real real
This stuff gets freaking weird sometimes, I recently just replaced my just over its 5yr warranty PSU because I was getting random kernel errors and black screen reboots (classic dodgy PSU signs). Did not solve the problem and after trying lots of different potential solutions it turns out windows 10 Fastboot did not play nice with my NVME drive, turned Fastboot off problem solved.
timmy joe where did you get your test bench where you test the motherboard before you put it in the case???
If you have a post code display would you still use a beep speaker? Is one better than the other, or do they do different things?
I just got done doing a watercooling build that was showing ram and cpu leds as well as 00 on the post code it ended up being a couple bent pins and I mean slightly bent pins bent em straight with a razor and she ran just fine.
Msi boards come with speakers. Same thing happened to my b350 tomahawk. Started off as an interment issue and then just wouldn’t work. Second slot worked perfectly well. Guessing the pci slot got knackered from the heavy gpu.
watching this video, gave me flashbacks to my previous build, in its early configuration with an Asus Evo board, lol. It had worked fine for a year, then GREMLINS started, and I chased that for 7 months before just replacing the board with an MSI, and I haven't touched Asus since for AMD, lol. I also have the same CPU cooler, though its the TR4 version, but yeah, I kinda figured after seeing that thermal paste miss that something was off with the assembly.
got same problem, looks like my CPU though. swapped out the 3600X for 3900XT and it works.
I ask my self is there a scratch on the back of the MOBO across that first PCIe lane or is it the CPU?
i liked it, I have all my friends come to me with there computer needs, and sometimes, one will make you work for it.
That LTT shirt is...well, working as intended
I realize this is an older video, but I was just wondering if you tried switching the PCIe from Auto/Gen4 to Gen3 when you had video from the other PCIe slot.
Yeah, this is almost certainly the issue!
With reguards to fpanel conector i always look at the manual first. Pcie from auto to gen3 i bet he had it set to gen4
the 6900xt supports gen4 tho i think
@@nyghtmxre yes it does, sorry i was focused on riser cable my mistake. I cant use mine on pcie gen 4 no gen4 riser cables exsist for my case.
@@nyghtmxre even though it supports it, it seems to be flaky sometimes so that was my guess, too, but we'll never know now.
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It's true BTW, I bought a 7700k that would not recognize any graphic cards but would post, turns out it was bent... Had to RMA it and got a replacement that works fine.
Love it!!!
i have the same problem on my x570 unify from msi and the one before too, it was an msi x570 gaming pro carbon wifi. Maybe it's something with msi bios on x570.
Atleast your board has signs of power, I just got a DOA x570 msi edge...
Nothing but the bios flash button shows sign of life.
I have the same issue with the same beeps and all. I use a three monitor setup, with one tv and two monitors and the third one has a high refresh rate. Originally, if I try to boot with one monitor with the high refresh rate, I'll run into this issue. However, after the troubleshooting beeps, it will give me a regular post beep and will boot normally. When I plug in my old monitor, it will post normal as if nothing had happened.
I don't understand why this happens but as long as I have the old monitor in place I won't run into the problem. I haven't tried a different GPU nor a different motherboard. I bet it is a motherboard issue. I did get it as refurbished lol
3:49 bios
I buil computers on demand. It's a hobby not daily job. Also it is worth to have speaker to diagnose bios issues
I had a similar issue before. The mobo was beeping with the graphics card in the first slot but everything was fine when I put the graphics card in the second slot. Something weirder was happening also. After I put the graphics card in the first slot and pressed the reset button, the computer was booting fine but I had to do it everytime after beeeeep beep beep.
Jimmy what is that test bench - it is a really simple board with standoffs - where can I buy it? pls
The GT610 should be PCIe 2.0, the damaged traces might have been able to trasmit that signal but not the faster 3 or 4.
Go into BIOS and change the PCI slot from "auto" to version 3.......
That’s what I though at first.
Yea so many manual changes in BIOS, check fan, memory, and VGA it's more hands-on. Can never go back to pre-builds without knowing what's in, and how it's set up in my pc.
You would think the new (exact same) motherboard would not work either, then. If any failsafe default setting had to be changed just to boot the system, every MAG Tomahawk would be having this problem.
@@pam0077 my understanding it's a pretty common issue especially with the B550 motherboard and the new AMD PCI-e 4.0 cards......(started with the incompatible pci-e 3.0 riser cables...). It was just an idea....
I've been thru 4 x570 motherboards and have yet to find one that will post. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, AS rock.
pcie 16 slot bent connection to graphic card pcb maybe,might of got cought as the graphics card got pushed into slot,to me that might of happend as the other slot worked
Did you try setting the pcie slot to gen3 instead of gen4/auto? And did you reflash the bios?
Maybe the slot was dirty...
That's why I bought a msi x570 ace with its led display that gives me numbers to tell me what to check at least.
Use those power switches off amazon it's like $6 for 2 work perfectly.
I've had cold boot issues when I bought that Motherboard at the time and it didn't wanted to boot up as the led light of GPU was flashing, I did the impossible by removing RAM GPU and a couple of times shorting the power pins while the battery was removed, when I put them back in after several attempts I've got a post it was the RAM didn't like the 3200MHZ Overclock from the BIOS, when it booted I did flash the latest bios 2 times and since then it didn't giving me any more problems.
I thought I am gonna RMA the Motherboard but I decided against it and tried it hard to get it working as long as I have not damaged the machine.
Specs:
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
AMD Ryzen 2700X
BeQuiet Dark Rock TF
GSkill 16GB 3200MHZ DDR4 CL16
ASUS RTX2070 Super ROG Strix 8G Advanced
Samsung NVME SSD 960 Evo 1TB
Seagate Barracuda 1TB (ST1000DM010)
Corsair RM 750X
Fractal Design Meshify C
That's it folks as long as you know what to do and how you do it you can get your machine up and running in no time. The most important of all is PATIENCE and PERSISTENCE.
Cheers
Actually....I find that smooth jazz, like you put in your video, will get a broken PC to boot every time.
I had the same issue with my x470 gaming plus max as his x570 tomahawk happened to me after a reboot from an update I have no idea what happened
I'm going to send you a few broken parts to use as drop props!!!!! Then you can have some fun and you don't have give the camera the look of oh crap I broke it more, hahaha. Keep em coming my dude!!
I've been having cases sending speakers lately.
AH T600 Helicopter came with a mobo speaker.
Do you have any suggestions as to why my Debug Led lights won't turn on my x570 when plugged into psu
Are the beeps the standard old IBM beep codes?
Wrong. Bequiet darkrock Pro 4 has an oversized cold plate for thread ripper CPUs. The thermal paste is the same size of the 3900x cpu (square not rectangular) so it was mounted correctly. It's supposed to look like that with the thermal paste only covering 2/3 (square not rectangular shape) on the cold plate of the cooler.
I was pretty sure the darkrock pro base was much larger than the cpu block...and was pretty sure I had it mounted right....not centered exactly..but covering the whole cpu for sure...it was the msi...This was my first and last msi motherboard...well actually this is the 3rd one....as the first two as stated in the video would not post....and I own a $2000 msi gaming laptop....which I have never had a problem with...but this was enough of an experience for me to say never again...
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld yeah mate you had some serious bad luck and you didn't do anything wrong. You shouldn't let this experience stop you from building PCs in the future as it can be a great experience when it goes right. Lol
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld one month ago I had even worse bad luck with a fridge it bought, well 4 actually. I bought a Hisense 540L stainless steel fridge online and when it was delivered it had a crease in the stainless steel door so i sent photos to the company and they replaced it. The replacement had exactly the same crease in the door so I had it replaced again and same again with a total of 3 fridges returned. This took 6 weeks of fridge replacements and was an absolute nightmare but Hisense give me $300 compensation for perished food but I have a second fridge so no food actually perished. I took the shelves out of the last fridge before the guy picked it so I now have a set of spare shelves which is good, fuck them. Lol
After investigating they told me it was the warehouse using a compression forklift.
@@mckayver1306 I bought a new freezer last summer and within3 months the thermostat went..lost all my food and made me cry...my grandparents still had the same freezer in working order in their basement from when they were married....anything made now is junk...and i mean anything. They want us to replace everything we own in a nice timely fashion...I want to just go live in the woods with a woodstove and root cellar for my pickles....
its Funny My motherboard was shooting out a VGA light when I installed new Ram, so I thought that was goign to be your problem to, mine had to do with when the RAM was clocked to high, it would throw out a VGA error ( weird) I let the ram go to "stock" and everything was fine, I still have no idea what the issue is or was, after replacing my RAM with the same it now works....still confused, and im not tech dumb, but sometimes I just cant figure it out.
Had an X470-I stop posting after BIOS-update to get 2nd gen Ryzen support. Only error code was DRAM but after trying 4 different sets of RAM, clearing BIOS, trying the old CPU and 3 different GPU's I just had to accept it's e-waste. At least it spins fans and lights up so I'm thinking of just using it in a display build.
i thought my evga z370 mobo was a pos but you know, the speaker and leds make me feel better now.
GT1030 is PCI-E 4x, a lot of cards from AMD and Nvidia in the lower end are 4x or 8x even if the slot is 16x.
I suppose it looks cooler being full length but like I sad most low end GPU's just dont have more then 4-8x lanes.
Reduces cost and there is really no need for more with limited GPU performance anyways.
My RX460 is 8x, all are but the slot is 16x long. You can even see some cheap cards dont have the extra pads for the not used 8-12x lanes and some are sold as 4x or 8x lengths with is actually nice sometimes since it will fit more slots with now downside to performance sines the lanes never where there anyways.
Because budget cards are 4-8x one should realy try a 16x card to at the end to make sure theirs no 16x problem, verify with a program also.
So yea if something is broken with the extra lanes that might not show up with a GPU limited to 4-8x lanes.
Also you can technically break a card/motherboard so it only works on some PCI-E Gen speeds.
I got a GTX295 that only worked in Gen2 and Gen3 capable boards but not Gen1. Well a previous owner knocked off some super small SMD resistors on the GFX card down at the slot. I repaired the traces and put new resistors back and it works in Gen1 again, so it could not negotiate gen 1 speeds without those resistors. I suppose you could damage a motherboard to to have similar things happen.
well, you showed me another reason to avoid an MSI motherboard like a plague never really had much luck with them all these years I specifically regret getting an MSI board for my X99 build a few years back as it died right after the warranty ended like clockwork so I am sticking to ASUS for now although I would also go for gigabyte despite their shitty bios or a Biostar.
Asus huh 🤔… I might check them out. I’m so pissed after MSI screwed me over.
@@quann06 ASUS has actually improved a lot more here in my country as I can now call them directly for a warranty claim with my Cellphone for any product and they even send a courier and cover the shipping charges never had that kind of service for a Motherboard, Router, Monitor or Video Card from any company before I usually bring them to a service center these are incredible changes now if only the turn around time for the repair
eplacement is faster it would be perfect instead of the standard 3 to 4 weeks it would normally take.
My asus x570i won’t boot after bios update... sad... had to buy a new motherboard and I went with Aorus b550... Asus x570 bios is very buggy.
Also, my 1080ti died and I am stuck with 1050ti till I can get RTX or RX card...
Ohhh man. Love your videos!!!
All troubleshooting is Find the problem, find a cause or the problem finds you. So far that last one seems the be the most likely for me.
What if the 1st slot ran on pcie gen3 and not gen4 by default? I’ve had a 6800 not posting on a Aorus X570-I all because pcie generation incompatibility. I had to first boot with an old Radeon HD GPU to manually change the pcie settings in BIOS, then I can boot with the 6800.
Did you try manually setting it to pcie gen 3??
I had trouble with my b550 tomahawk when I would hook my wifi card in the top pci stlot right next to my graphics card and it wouldn't post sooooo I put it to the bottom and it posted really weird with these boards.
I didn't see you clear the CMOS on the old motherboard. Sometimes a corrupt BIOS, different BIOS version, or odd setting can cause some weird stuff to happen.
Techlinked shirt FTW!!!
Some of these boards need all boot devices to be disabled in the bios boot sector apart from the one with your boot OS on it that you intend to boot from.
just had a weird issue with one of these boards just the same error beeps you got but only when a USB drive was connected, on start up, I changed the ram settings from no boost to 1 XMP profile setting and it was O.K.
I have the same motherboard cant get the audio jack to give me sound. But when i connect my gaming controller the sounds have no problem. I have updated every driver and still nothing help please?
Check to see if he plugged his PSU into a fan input :) But really, i think that massive graphics card did that PCI slot sag issue twice.
Did you get the wifi working with windows 7 ?
With the amount of things this guys drops, I wouldn't let him repair anything from me, lol!
My x570 tomahawk throws vga and boot codes today... another guy on reddit 7 hours ago has the same problem.
My 3900x and 5700xt have been in there since I bought the mobo in August. No problems until today???? Why?
What with the static at the last 2min of video?
I have a question, do you know a monitor with the following specifications ULTRA WIDE 4K 144HZ 1MS G-SYNC And at a price that does not exceed $ 600 And please reply and thank you
my gigabyte b450 AUROS PRO WIFI did this with a GTX 780. i had to switch it to PCI-e 2.0 to get it to boot in using the top slot
Man I've been having problems with my MSI motherboard too. It's the same mag x570 from here. I've reset bios, tried multiple different graphics cards on it, different ram sticks, and even used a friend's cpu. But whenever i send it to MSI they just return it back to me saying it's working properly. It's insanely frustrating.. and I don't know what to do. It's still under warranty and barely a year old and has been in and out of the service station from August 21 till Jan 22.
Same issue cpu ez debug light blinking after shutdown CPU not boosting properly , Have you fixed it MSI REJECTED MY RMA TWICE ?
Just went to diagnose a semi-squsheshed notebook.
Smashed screen, missing buttons,and no usb in Windows.
Although, working fine in docs/post.
After the initial "let's install a right drivers" approach,got to conclusion, that, somehow,the usb was disabled in Windows.......
I actually really liked the retro computer video.
I've seen and read about more problems with tomahawk motherboards than any other. This was only after the 3000 series came out. Read tons of posts and tweets to MSI and they never did anything about it. RMA the board was the only option and hope you get lucky? No idea what the actual issue was and why some that came back from RMA worked. With a 2000 series, this and the b450 were the go-to!
can any one tell me what case that is ? pls good vid dude good to see you posting up more content :)
Did you check to see if the BOIS was set to have to PCI-3 and not pci-4
It's a Gem 4 issue. Go into bios and set port to gen 3.
Channeling Linus in true fashion... Dropping all the PC components out of your hands while talking about them
Seems to be an issue with the board, have had same issue with one as well.
why are we not talking about the fan on the back of the cooler right up against the back case fan? that can't be good for case airflow.
I'm cursed, got the same issue, can't access the bios and my monitor stay off. But it will boot properly to windows, vga light on 1 long 2 short beep then start normally, just can't access the bios anymore. it was working fine for 5 months, damnit.
Don't still know if it's the mb, gpu, cpu or ram...
Watching this strangely makes me wanna play PC Building Simulator. lol
I think all motherboards still come with a header for the speaker though thank god