A Folding Phone Lighter than an iPhone
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- A folding phone with hardware way better than the Samsung Fold 5
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If folding phones were as light and as thin as a regular slab phone, would you switch over to them?
As soon as the sale goes through..
Maybe, if it's short enough to go into my pockets! And if the camera bump is oriented as on the Pixels. 😎✌️
Honor is literally a Chinese state owned company.
Probably not unless price and durability are on par.
Not until it’s under $1,500.
Not being a fanboy, I’m just being honest. I want iOS on a foldable.
Real reason tech reviewers don't use folding phones: Because Apple hasn't made one yet
Accurate!!
Linus uses one
Exactly. Apple naturally gets more traction than any of these brands.
And the Apple ecosystem is one of the sole reasons as to why no one will switch to a folding phone until Apple makes a folding phone.
@@TheWunderyes but he can't be called a reviewer he is a tech god who rips and plays with all the tech at disposal 😂.
@@TheWunder Linus prefers Android so I would expect that tbh.
My genuine reaction was, damn, what the F***. That is some real innovation and engineering. forgetting the brand reputation or inaccessibility, it is such an amazing phone that intrigues me on how it works! Thanks Dave, for getting this on your channel
Don't be fooled by the excessively thin and light weight of a Chinese foldable phone. They designed it that way for exaggeration and bluffing, but their durability are terrible.
@@SaYu094 how do you know that?
@@kispahan252It’s only because he is a Korean and is jealous that a Huawei sub-brand managed to make a better phone than their Samsung phones.🤣
@@kispahan252 I'm an American, so I've mostly tested Samsung folds and owned a flip and two folds. Recently, I had work in Dubai and decided to check out some of the Huawei phones. And if I'm being honest, the build quality felt terrible in person vs. the Samsungs I've used. Even the newer, fancier "high-end" folds felt like crappy cheap knockoffs with creaking hinges and all. It just feels like many of these Chinese phones buy up a bunch of the brand new best-on-paper components and throw them together without polish so they can hit the numbers on their website. "GaN/SiC powered this," "100-megapixel sensor," "super duper fast charging," random things like that where it is technically the "Best" but in the end is meaningless if not designed around or tested (you can always make a bad or just plain meh chipset on a new technology *cough* kirin 9000s *cough* every single exynos ever). I use a lot of Samsung as they are the solid middle ground between the over-tested slow to the new iPhones and the experimental new tech crappily thrown together Chinese Android flagship.
The outer display having a normal aspect ratio is just perfect. I don't see myself using samsung folds narrow outer display and I wont use the wide screen while I am outside walking. Feels like folding phones are almost there!
Don't be fooled by the excessively thin and light weight of a Chinese foldable phone. They designed it that way for exaggeration and bluffing, but their durability are terrible.
@SaYu094 how would you know?
How evil it is to speak without truth
I think the price seems to be what's keeping people away from foldables.. If there is a mid-range foldable, I think it'll be quite popular.
Pre orders my flip5 and traded in my flip 3 = $ 330.
Now thats cheap
What keeps me away is the inherently mechanical character. Simple slab phones are just way more practical. I've heard reviewers say they use the front display of their folding phones 90% of the time. That says enough. I wouldn't be bothered to unfold for a bigger screen when a regular screen is more than enough for basically anything I do with my phone.
@@moladiver6817 I'm waiting for the scroll phones. I think that's the best and most logical conclusion. I want to say TCL demonstrated that concept, may not have invented it, but brought it to popularity at a convention. Where the excess screen rolls up to a normal slab size and then rolls out to expand to a tiny tablet.
@moladiver6817 people said the same thing when iphone was realeased. "I can send emails with my blackberries and that is all i want from my phone". When cars were being mass produced people would stick to horses and carriages for the same matter.
What im trying to say is that consumers simply dont not know what is on the other side. Trust me things are better when the screens larger. Thats why tvs are getting bigger and bigger
@@tdata545 I think companies have abandoned this approach. Probably because the mechanics are too complicated and fragile.
5:35 Because competition is fierce in the Chinese market in terms of smart phones and electronics. In the US, for an android phone, there are only 2-3 major players left. In China, there are at least 5 major brands (to name a few Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Huawei, Meizu) that cover all tiers of phones from budget to high end.
Good point. And Huawei might be on its on race now since it has developed its HarmonyOS and stop supporting Android apps.
Aside from the Giants Google's pixel.. what r the options for Android in the west..
@@user-rk3ub8ql5dsamsung Galaxy android phones had more sales in a single quarter than any google pixel phones in the last 5 years combined
@@user-rk3ub8ql5d Only other option is Samsung, although some people buy 1+ too.
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Global launch for the HONOR Magic V2 would be cool
The way you go straight to the point in your reviews really sets you apart from other creators. Great video!
for me the most amazing thing is that they managed to make this phone with a big battery. This is the future
Dave make your buying guide video for 2023 laptops
*phones*
agreed
The best deal is always second hand so no video needed
I have been using the Mate XS for 1.5 years; it was launched in 2020 and also comes with a full-function, normal-size outer screen. Its 12mm thickness is impressive when compared to the 2020 Galaxy Fold 2, which had a thickness of 16.8mm.
PS: I switched from the Fold 2 because the Fold 2's outer screen was useless, and the hinge broke within 6 months.
wow, thank u so much for this take! I have way less FOMO now with foldables in general. Waiting for rollables ❤
I can’t believe the flagship phones haven’t experimented with silicon batteries yet
the sad reality is that if flagships have better batteries then the phones will last longer and that will give people less incentive to buy the latest and greatest :(
afaik, this battery technology is only availbale on hornor devices e.g. Magic5 Pro, Magic5 Ultimate.
@@Laoguang09 I'm not super knowledgeable with the Chinese phones, but from all the things I'm hearing, they're innovating like crazy over there. Really wish they were open in the US market to encourage competition
Imagine if something went wrong with those batteries on a Samsung phone
Bruh just replace the batteries it's cheap
Thank you for trying to bring some attention to cool devices outside the realm of NA.
its a huawei sub brand that they sold because of us ban..you should expect the same ui and quality of huawei phone from this brand...
@@kubotite9168 Yeah Honor is pretty popular where I come from!
@@kubotite9168 Man Huawei software (except the bloatware) and hardware were so great! I miss them. I still have one of my Huawei phone.
No Google services unfortunately
@@keepitclean540 Honor does have google services on their global phones. that's exactly why Huawei has sold them
Thank god for your honest, no bullshit, reviews. Keep up the good work!!!
Whats keeping me from book style foldables is the aspect ratio when opened. I personally would like something that opens to a rectangle (close to 16/9) instead of a square
That's exactly why they don't do it. Even if I was fine with the ratio itself having 30% of my screen be black bars on a video would be an obv deal breaker and if it hinders the unfolded mode that much, we'll then whats the point at all over a normal phone?
@@Frozoken yeah and I get that the extra space is still good for productivity, reading, etc. But for me it would be SO MUCH more compelling if video wasn't 30% black bars
@@ThatsPetyIssue is, for you to have a 16/9 aspect ratio when folded, you need the weird ass Long aspect ratios of samsungs
the huawei honor being a normal 18/9 (or whatever it is) when opened it is just gonna be a double 18/9, videos will be barely bigger than when non opened
Rollable phones will be the right answer
@@SToXC_. Exactly, to be a good aspect ratio when unfolded it needs to be a weird aspect ratio when folded
Great points. Since we are all used to slab phones getting someone used to a weird outside screen AND a weird inside screen is too jarring. Honor seems to have remedied outside screen wonkiness so now we can all just get used to the inside and it will be far less jarring. Great job to that team.
For me the odd aspect ratio of the Samsung fold 5’s outer screen is a small thing. If I’ll own a folding phone, I’ll use the inner screen most of the time, and use the outer screen for quick reading of notifications. I like big screens.
But I know some like a familiar aspect ratio for the outer screen, like Dave. I can imagine someone in a very crowded train. He doesn’t wanna fold it open. He wants to use the outer screen during his 1-hour trip.
@@michaeldy2580 Exactly. If I’m paying a huge premium for the ability to open up into a large screen I want to be able to do all the large screen things. And historically large screen things work better with rectangular screens, not square ones. The Magic V2 inner screen has an aspect ratio of 9.78:9 vs the Fold 5’s 10.8:9.
This is the first genuinely cool folding phone, or Android phone in general, I've seen in a very long time.
Love your camera setup
That honor looks so good. I would switch to foldable if something like this comes out for the US market.
The reason Samsung uses a narrower form factor is that when OPEN, the Z Fold can be held with one hand (i.e. You can grip it with your fingers curving around the edges tightly). Also, being narrower when folded it fits into your pocket easier.
I mean, yeah. Albeit it gets fatiguing very fast though. Also holding it with one hand is pretty tricky unless you have a case, and then it just gets thicker and adds to the already heavy phone. The Honor fold doesn't have a huge front display either, it's a tiny bit wider so you still get a mostly portrait display once unfolded.
As a Z Fold user, this Chinese phone is superior in hardware but not in software However it is undeniably better. I don't care about a built in s pen. I want it lighter and thinner. Having a front display that's a bit wider is a bonus on top.
if you need to use a phone one handed, you don't buy foldables. Foldables are about big screen on the go. Normal slab phones are barely usable one-handed as it is
About portability, this thing is the same size as an iphone and even lighter than one. No issue there
@@alexdoan273 but the thing is that this is a foldable phone that has the dimension of a slab phone. While it’s close. That is really insane.
We are SO close & you hit the nail on the head with the Aspect Ratio, i don't mind the weight but the overall Thickness does need to come down a little either way & Battery Life improvements are always welcome... however i think the main barrier for people is the price, i understand why it's high but if you can't bring the price down then at least make it more worth the money
as usual, short and on point!
By far the best foldable phone I’ve seen yet
Using the Z Fold 5. I don’t mind its thickness or weight, I like it. What I don't like, is the S-Pen case. I hope the Z Fold dummy concept models are what the Z Fold 6 will be.
S23 Ultra Screen Size, S Pen Slot, and Dust Resistance. Give it the Flagship Camera sensor. I'll gladly drop whatever amount for a 1TB model.
The reason why the dummy units haven't actually came out it because they wanted to reduce the weight that's why there is no S pen slot it would take up to much space and make the fold thicker
@@footballtalk4857 it's still Thinner than the Z Fold 5 with the S Pen Case.
I've never understood why they don't use the Ultra's cameras in the fold lineup
@@cyprian4869 this!
We need more laptop reviews dave2D
Chinese smartphone manufacturers have been one step ahead of the game for the past couple of years. They are not afraid to take chances and think innovatively. First in screen fingerprint sensor, first pop-up camera, first ultra fast charging and so more. They even have concept phones such as Mi Mix Alpha that is %80 screen. Samsung vs. Apple competition is being played too safe for anything worthwhile to happen.
Because width of fold 5 is perfect for using with one hand (except if you are Shakill O'Nill). And i love to use it because of that
I'd love to see some of this tech (the silicone battery, display hardware, etc...) in a slab phone. Maybe we can finally get even more minimal phones🤞
I haven't used one but the very narrow design of the Fold has always been really appealing to me. I don't want a huge phone that gets even bigger.
same for me, i like the thinner screen for usual daily tasks, and the big screen for multitasking when needed!
Seems you might be in the minority with this opinion, though. Just like how the Internet was raving about iPhone Mini but the sales were lackluster.
I'm super excited for a zflip style of phone being this thin. And then make it a more compact phone size like the zenfone. We may get a really nice little pocketable square
I had an opportunity to hold this Honor foldable phone in hand when I visited China this year. It’s very satisfying to hold such light and thin phone with vivid screen and snappy performance.
When the Fold 3 was first launched I had the exact same thoughts. I ended up purchasing the Fold 3 and i am still using it and I still absolutely hate the aspect ratio, making the front screen completely useless for 90% of the use cases. By far my most favourite video ever! I would love to see more youtubers actually talk about real issues and frustrations that consumers are now facing rather then talking about 1% increase in specs that we are now acustomed to.
Its totally challenging to text properly on the front screen. But, Samsung has near monopoly position in the markets outside of mainland. It jus feels totally criminal that Samsung has not delivered more in terms of obvious necessary innovation.
How is it challenging to text properly.. you do know the world texted with 4.5 inch phones for a decade?
I dont think its challenging at all to be honest. Took me longer to get used to the wide keyboard on the inner screen.
I have a Fold 2 and while its definitely got some aspect ratio issues, for emails, spreadsheets and consuming content, nothing comes close
@@absolutium The world previously also do not have motor cars and people travel by walking most of the time. Before electricity invented, people use candles and fire torch. Are you saying it is not challenging at all for modern people just because people in the past do that for many centuries?
@@lucern543 If you are challenged by walking you have a lot of issues to address before talking portable computational devices.
Hey Dave, hope to see you to check the new released phone that from HUWAI (Which is the mother company of HONOR) Mate 60 pro. If you can notice how that phone is become possible, what HUWAI and even all the Chinese industry related practitioners had done, that can be quit a shock!
actually the narrow outer display of the z fold is part of the reason why I got one. much easier to use one handed, and if I need a bigger screen I've got one
Yea I’m Chinese and a friend of mine works for Huawei. When she showed me this thing I was SHOCKED
Now if Honor can make a flip like that with a full external screen, I'm down for it. I don't like the fold ones, I prefer a flip into a full slab rather than a mini tablet. Samsung and Motorola still isn't there for me, but I hope that they or someone else will get there.
Great vid Dave as always! Hopefully we will see the main competitor follow. Just wanted to say that I like your work as you always are honest and not bought (or you are a very good actor 😂) keep it up!
I love my fold 5 so far. It took some getting used to but with a few tweaks I'm an expert
Excited these are getting better and more mass produced. Maybe 5 years before main stream
These phones have amazing hardware but the software is just terrible at least for use in the west. Got the z fold 4 and vivo x fold, hardware always makes me want to pick up the vivo but then I do and I feel the software and I just go right back to the Samsung.
U can install custom rom though right?
@@razee7869 I don’t think so?
@@razee7869 Why spend so much on a device only to tinker with it later to make it usable?
@@razee7869 Back in the days it was fun but now manufacturers like samsung are adding arbitrary restrictions to their phones if we unlock the bootloader and Huawei phones doesn't have proper custom ROM support. Buy OnePlus if you want to tinker around because they have proper custom ROM support but they don't make foldables right now
@@MithunOnTheNet Because the hardware benefits might be worth it? You can say you shouldn't have to, but people are tech savvy its not a lot of work to get the software experience close to what you want on most android phones.
You are right. I am excited to switch to a folding phone. But its the aspect ratio on the front screen, thickness, and weight that has kept me waiting.
It's a hint as to what we can look forward to in the future! 😊
It's basically the same phone (form factor) that we already have, but (a big but) with the option of have a nearly tablet experience at hand, which is (at least in my experience) what we always have been wanting for years. Sometimes people get a tablet to use it once in a while, but if you have it at hand, you surely will more and better use of it.
Just saw the price of this and it's about $1.1k, how is that even possible? Better and cheaper?
Dave’s videos have always been good, but something lately has changed and he seems even more cool and confident. I love all the changes he’s made since moving into his new studio and even trying out the new haircut.
Props, Dave!
I love my Fold 4. Even the aspect ratio. It makss it easier to swipe type one handed. If im doing something that makes me want a bigger screen, i just open it up.
It's hard to type on the outside screen with two hands because it's too narrow. It's slow to swipe on the outside screen because swiping is slower than two handed typing. It's hard to type on the inside screen because it's too wide. So it's just hard to use in general
@thejokesonlife3745 I disagree, I typed this whole sentence in less than 10 seconds using swiping. Swiping is much faster if you know how to spell and use it.
Edit: Swiping on the outside with one hand is easier with the narrow form factor of the fold.
@@pkpnyt4711 interesting. Perhaps I'm just not good at swiping. I type fastest with two hands on a phone with conventional width. I can't imagine typing a whole paragraph with swiping under 10 sec.
How do you swipe that fast
As a swiper coming from a slab phone, swiping on a fold is a breeze. About the inside, you can resize the keyboard to any size you want.
If the screen width inside doesn't do for you, you can rotate it.
Seriously, the form factor of the fold is amazingly useful and most of the critics are actually not its users.
@@thejokesonlife3745no
Fascinating video and I could listen to you all day 😄
That outer display! Finally!🔥🔥🔥
I wish Huawei was still all around (rest of the world). I feel like they really helped push the innovation
Just switched from the z fold 2 to the fold 5 after my hinge got problems after years. I have to say, I am used to the form factor of the outer display a lot. It has an uncomparable one hand use I haven't seen since the IPhone 5. You don't have these things in other phones. It's still preference, but for now I stick to the fold. Love these phones!
I switched from fold2 to fold5 too. Love it.
Yep, the narrow display has advantage to be easier to hold one hand, which is something pretty much long gone on most smartphone these days. Even the smallest phone are still too wide.
I think the compromise Samsung could do is to make the cover display bit wider, but not too wide that it will be harder to use one-handed. So not exactly like the 21:9 we used to, but something between the normal phone wideness and the current Fold 5 wide.
I'm watching this on a Huawei Mate X 3, another folding device that is both lighter and basically almost as thin as an iPhone 14 pro max. It's an extraordinary device. I'm confident that price is what is keeping people from adopting folding phones because there are literally no drawbacks now.
Great review mate, looks pretty awesome
Nice hairstyle Dave!
The reason the outer displays on folding phones are made narrower is to make the inside screen less awkward to use. At some point it turns into a square, and at that point the dimensions are too awkward for media consumption. While watching videos for example you might actually get a bigger viewing area on the outside compared to the inside with black bars.
This. But people don't want to understand it. Only people who've used foldable phones long term can understand this. Plus, I wonder why most of Chinese brands don't offer an IP rating.
@@asifiqbalshaikbecause then the outside screen is just for time and people don’t need the inside screen all the time.
Making the outer screen wider won't make an impact on media consumption on the inner screen; the videos will still be same size on inner screen if viewing in landscape, and the only difference is that the black bars on top or bottom would increase. But other than media consumption, it would provide more space to view content such as web browsing, ebook reading, multitasking with multiple apps.
Wider outer screen would also have a positive impact on videos and images on outer screen as it would make them bigger. If you look at the Z Fold, the narrow outer screen makes viewing videos/images in landscape tiny with wider black bars on either side, whilst viewing them in portrait in outer screen makes them even smaller. If it were on a wider outer screen, videos/images would be bigger in both viewing angles, and with more space to view words and stuff.
The only benefit I see to narrower outer screen is for people that prefer one-hand/compact use, and I guess more battery life since there is less screen. But since the Z Fold has less battery size than the other foldables, smaller outer screen wouldn't be a benefit to battery life compared to the rest.
Excellent video with perfect points of discussion!
Because regular aspect ratio is to wide in terms of ergonomics, but it's a required compromise for slab phones in order to have any decent screen area.
In foldable phone you can try to make it more narrow for better sitting in the hand, like tv remote
Loved my fold three. But after a year and a half of light use (iPhone is my main phone and fold is in addition) so with less use than a true daily phone, the inner screen is so cracked it looks like they’re two separate displays. And then eventually the screen gave out and is now non functional
This sounds like a real life use case to me, the fold cultists claiming its like new after 2 years of being dropped naked sound like paid promoters to me, just handling a Flip 5 gave me the "needs a metal armour case" vibes and even then I can't see it being a 2 year phone.
@@Thetache my flip 3 was working for six months or so, then the device decided to shut itself off anytime it was being flipped/closed. It got fixed and the store I bought it from covered it, but I sold it immediately when I got it back. No more flip phones for me, now I own a 14 pro max which works and has great battery life.
I work at a phone repair shop and we regularly get some folding phones, mostly the Flips, since they're cheaper. They almost always start dying from the center, right where the crease is. I still can't believe people are willing to hand over their hard earned cash to beta test these phones for these companies. Never buying a folding phone, for the exact same reason motorized cameras got phased out quickly: every moving part is a point of failure.
@@PvtAnonymous I expected some wear and tear, but I didn’t expect a total broken display. Safe to say I won’t own one until I’m proved they can last more than a year and a half of light use.
After testing out the Galaxy Fold 5 I actually kind of liked the smaller outside screen after thinking it would be pretty bad when first seeing it. It makes one hand usage alot easier. If you need the full experience you can fold it and use the big screen. Actually a better usability experience than i thought. But because of the slim outer screen, the inner screen has also a strange aspect ratio. You don't really have a tablet like ratio that's good for vertical video watching/media consumption, there a big edges because of it. Otherwise it's a nice screen..
What bothers me more is the little increment from the Fold 4 to the Fold 5 Samsung did even tho other smartphone makers caught up. The Fold 5 still has a bad/small battery compared to others and the cameras are still a huge downgrade compared to the S-Series or other Foldables. They just chilled because they are still the marked leaders (especially in EU/America), that was kind of lazy (or they are really doing something major for the Fold 6, let's see).
yea enjoy typing on a TV remote controller
Absolutely not, the Samsung Fold's have a horrendous aspect ratio on both the outer and inner screen. People are going to use their phones mainly folded, and with the Samsung aspect ratio it makes it very difficult to use the outer screen, anyone with medium-large hands will have a difficult time typing. Not to mention games and apps will be ultra narrow and ruins the experience. To me a foldable is supposed to be a 2 in 1 device, having the inner screen available to use when you want, not NEEDING to use the inner screen because the outer screen is unusable. Sure, it feels good in the hands since it's easy to hold, but that's it. I want a usable device, not an ultra comfortable device. Also when you unfold a wider device, you have a nice widescreen when unfolded, perfect for media consumption and games...which is what it is meant for! I don't want to unfold my phone and STILL have a narrow but tall screen, I don't need that. Now, I get this is all my personal opinion, but damn. Pixel Fold aspect ratios all the way. Currently that would be the only foldable i'd consider, although I won't be jumping to Android any time soon.
@@AndrewPL5yeah your last sentence pretty much summarize what non z fold user said about z fold. the owner and user of the z fold that I encountered (including myself) never have the problem that non user like you mentioned. people like you have too much considering and reviewing things and end up forgot to actually acquire it then using the devices in the real world.
@@faikarrazzaq nice try. I've personally used the Samsung fold devices and can say, from experience, I do not like it and never will. The aspect ratio isn't for me.
coping bruh
Love your videos man! ❤
Also it's natural to make devices thinner if the surface area is larger due to wider screen. What's difficult is making thinner hinges.
I like the longer form factor of the Fold: it's the closest thing we have left to a properly compact phone, width-wise.
I've seen polls where almost half of people prefer Samsung's aspect ratio, whereas almost 90% of youtube reviews prefer passport style. Are people just bandwagoning on video ideas or seen so many reviews that they are convinced passport style is always better? Most of these reviewers also do not daily a fold, so I feel like they have no right to be so offended.
@@oxyg3n520yeah I'm not sure, I've had that thought also (even just generally on YT tech vids). I have rather large hands at 6'6" but still find some difficulty in texting appropriately on some of the newer phones. I like the idea of taking an iPhone SE-sized phone and doubling it for "tablet" use. Texting is sometimes difficult on 6.5'+ phones.
I totally agree with you and one of your replies. I think some of the reviews on UA-cam are not what people actually think. Maybe they watch other reviews first and then just copy what's being said.
@@oxyg3n520 If it's only the r/galaxyfold subreddit that you're getting the polls from, it's a bit biased since it's mainly centred for Samsung Z Fold supporters. Honestly, I wouldn't know where to accurately get a consensus for which aspect ratio people prefer. But I would assume people prefer wider, since youtubers are saying it, and they get their hands on a lot of tech that we don't. Also, none of the chinese foldables are using this narrower screen, only Samsung is adopting it. Even Google with the Pixel Fold is wider and people are praising it for better use than Samsung's narrow outer screen. But most important, I think people prefer wider because if it was the other way around, majority of slab phones today would be narrow. Instead, we see the majority of slab phones being wider, and narrower/smaller screens are only limited to compact/smaller phones.
The only thing stopping me from using a folding phone other than Samsung is that if it breaks you will have a hell of a time getting it fixed in the United States
Wow.. that's crazy, why is everyone not talking about this?? Great showcase Dave.
For me, the size of fold 5 is great when it is opened, especially when you use s-pen. Also, one UI is so good.
This is exactly what I thought when I saw these chinese folding phones.
They are literally the next generation of foldables.
It's kind of embarrassing that the big tech companies outside of China have nothing to offer that is remotely as convincing as this in terms of hardware.
I belive they have to react and folding phones might actually be good soon
i must say this view is far from comprehensive. samsung and apple have way better software support, user friendly systems, water and dust proof, and customer support. a good phone isnt just about the size, shape and battery.
@@yanjiaqiu2166well the thing is water and dust resistant (no official IP rating yet)
@@yanjiaqiu2166 that's why I said they habe nothing to offer in terms of hardware.
I wouldn't buy any of these chinese foldables because of their Software limitations.
I belive smartphones might actually be good soon, because samsung, Google and the rest have to deliver soon, when it comes to hardware.
It’s kind of weird how you keep it as plain as “chinese brand” when you could be educating people on where the brand comes from = Huawei. Where did they get that design from = Huawei! The are probaly the only flagship brand out there that habe the rights from Huawei to use their teardrop design for the screens. You couldve educated people more. And no no hate speech just really bummed about the basic information you gave. Your audience is smarter than you think. And yes its about folding phones but where are your Huawei folding phones? Even if their not for sale in the us? Who cares it’s about folding phones. That’s exactly why. - message meant for the UA-camer
Try their phone. You will understand how bad their software is. Also no warranty or support even when Huawei/Honor was available in the state years ago. Tried and not going back to Chinese phone. Also impossible to resale in used market.
I have been using a galaxy fold daily since the original release. Its always crazy to see how these tech reviews are complaining about "How the cover display should be the same as a regular slab phone". When the whole purpose of a folding phone is to unfold it to have a bigger, better experience. You dont buy a folding phone for its cover display thats a bonus, you buy it so you can have a mini tablet in your pocket.
when the folding screen cooks do you want a lemon?
It isn't only tech reviewers complaining about the narrower screen, a lot of phone users and even Z Fold users (including myself) don't like the narrow outer screen. I guess if you prefer a compact phone, then yes, it would be perfect for you. But a lot of us want a regular wider outer screen phone that transitions into a mini tablet. We get the choice of a regular size phone and a tablet in one, whilst the Z Fold is like a compact phone that becomes a mini tablet. Many of us don't like that and the outer screen feels like a downgrade/sacrifice.
This could also be the case; that Samsung has continued with the philosophy of their Z Flip line, where the outer screen is only for quick integrations, and the inner screen is the focus. I don't like that; I want a regular 2 in 1, a regular sized outer screen like a regular phone, and a mini tablet. A choice to have either screen as the main focus. No sacrifices.
With the Honor Magic V2, they've gotten it to the point where not only is it the size of a regular phone, but also even as light and thin as one. An upgrade which the latest Z Fold hasn't reached yet.
As always the content conveys the idea which Dave wants to display to the industry. But one thing I noticed recently it's Dave is changing. Like from Dave2D to Dave2Dad look😛. You're awesome man. Love your content.
You make good reviews man This is the second of your videos I’ve seen and I’m gonna say man 👍🏻 got a new sub here
That's why I didn't upgrade to the Z Fold 5 this year as it just didn't make any sense for the minor changes samsung made. I recently saw leaked images of the Fold 6 and ohh my does it look good and solves all the issues that the current Fold line up has. Can't wait for the 6th gen Fold to drop. Thanks for actually highlighting the issues with the Samsung Fold phones. Thanks for the video 👍
Same
Yeah, I would agree! Something is not right with Samsung. For the past few years other foldable have been slightly better than theirs and it seems they can't or want to improve their designs to compete. This year they're being outshined for sure. Maybe Samsung and Apple are like Toyota and Honda in the car industry. Why change dramatically when you already lead in sales and loyalty? 🤔
Watching on my fold 5, and couldn't agree more. I didn't know the honor had stylus support 😮
Man that looks good!
I always said, Huawei are the only people who could challenge Samsung or go far ahead of Samsung in many of these technologies.. and they prove me right every time.
Honor was sold by Huawei in 2020. Anything developed since then is all them.
@@Viking8888 not really, as R&D takes years to complete
I'd be thoroughly impressed IF their proclamations hold true in the long term. Hoping to see your long term review 🍻
Finally u are back my buddy dave please never leave earth wants you forever and tech as well
Tried samsung Z fold 4 like two months ago, the inner screen looks fantastic but the outer screen is so narrow for reading news or just texting, and when you add a case on it, it goes crazy thick and heavy. Finally returned and got a s23 instead. Hope there will be a foldable like pixel fold or oppo find N's form factor with stylus support. I will consider for sure.
in my opinion, i think samsung is able to do the features even earlier, but they hold it back for the upcoming fold. you know, for business strategy, that's how they keep their customers to use their phones. you can see how apple is doing it for years when they can implement the 120hz display early, but they dont.
I think you miss completely why Samsung went with a thin & tall phone in the Z Fold 5. In the hand & pocket they are like slab phones from 5 years ago - compact & easy to hold. But inside they are bigger than the most obese slab phones today. I agree that the honor magic v2 looks great, but it's not the only form factor that might work - look at the Oppn Find N2 which was on your table - it's China only which is a shame as it's so compact! Compact is good!! And so are big screens - hence the Z Fold 5. Your argument about 'making so much sense' is verrrrryyyyyy logical, but as Dostoevsky says "Of everything in our world was rational, nothing would happen".
I think Samsung got the design badly wrong from the start. From the front display (redesign finally Fold 6?), to the hinge (Fold 5 has now gone with the consensus), the gap (Fold 5 finally ditched that years after others). And Samsung just couldn’t admit they mucked everything up in one go, so are slowly copying rivals that seem to know a lot more about designs and tech innovation. Samsung should do what they do best, copy and use their large economies of scale and cash reserves to improve on what other businesses make. Even the Flip, it has taken five iterations to get a sensible front display that even I said was an obvious requirement for flip designs (see RAZR) from the launch of the OG Flip.
Samsung is not good at new innovation and that is probably why the influencers that said foldable’s would take over quickly are now questioning themselves as to how they got that so wrong? I say blame Samsung.
@@andyH_England don't forget the part where typing on a Z Fold is a nightmare. Outer screen is too small for two hands, inner screen is too big and splits the keyboard. Landscape is too wide. My colleague at work had one of these, so I tried it out for a few minutes. Feels like typing on an iPhone 4 or and iPad mini, neither of which I prefer personally. The honor makes way more sense in terms of on-screen keyboard.
you mean samsung had the wrong design from the start right. Who even use or type on a TV remote controller
Good cinematography! neat
I knew we would see progress in foldables to get us to this point but not this quickly. Very impressive
This video adds to the nightmare that Zack is considering a folding phone as his next phone 🤯🤯
I sold mine because a screen replacement would bankrupt me. These guys have the money to not care
@@93ndaniisn't the screen under warranty?
@@bootchoo96 only once ig... After that you pretty much left hanging
Who is Zack
@@zzzyyyxxx that would be @JerryRigEverything
I tried using the Z Fold 4 for 8 months and decided to go back to S23 Ultra. To me there is still so many inconvenience for it to be a great daily use device, we are still 3 or 4 iteration away if the competition is stepping up the game because Samsung is getting lazy knowing they are the only company to push the boundries =( .
name those "inconveniences"
@@joshjuarez7777 More expensive, heavier, thicker, fragile and less battery life, worse camera, no full water/dust protection than regular slab phones. Also, still many apps aren't fully optimised for inner screen of foldables (probably because foldables aren't as popular/widely used by mainstream yet). Maybe a couple years more and it will be up to par.
@@andrewbui1351 Expensive is not an inconvenience as it doesnt describe a feature of the design. The only competitor to the camera is from Samsungs own lineup which is the S23+ where the camera is the distinguishing factor, the Fold 4 cameras spec up against all flagships and are indistinguishably as good or better. This is also not an argument. Apps not being optimized for an added feature is not an inconvenience as you can use 99% of app that are not optimized on the front screen. So where's the inconvenience? Battery life and dust proof are the only legitimate arguments you may have but even then, those are not daily inconveniences as most people are not exposing their phones to water regularly and battery life on the Fold 4 is not great it is roughly 10-15% less than other slab phones that don't have to power 2 screens, which again is the an ADDED feature that most phones DO NOT HAVE. Those are minor trade offs for the ability to combine a tablet and a phone into one device. Can Samsung improve? Definitely, I'd like to see them come closer to the Honor Magic V2 in form factor but from a iterative standpoint, Samsung has nailed most of the issues with foldables and most of the complaints I hear are from people who are simply not comfortable with change. I understand that, but I will not validate their weak arguments and they should also know that their arguments are not valid in relative terms.
This thing is amazing
Honor has been making some cool design choices... I've been playing attention to what they are doing specially design-feature Wide and it's quite remarkable.
I legit miss huawei! They made some amazing innovative devices, they were on a roll and came really close to kicking Samsung’s ass. I hope they make a comeback with honor
Keeping innovation aside let's talk about CCP for a sec. 😂
They just made 5nm chips the other day
I guess they are not sending you any more of those phones
Like Dave 2D but yes I agree you start to notice how they talk about a product when they’re not getting it for free.
@@allenmobley8444 I was only kidding man...everybody loves Dave...even if he trashes the product ...but he is honest and honesty is what they and we want.
People tend to forget that tech UA-camrs are not consumers friends. They are doing business with their biased opinion.
i came back to check out this channel after quite some time. What's with tha look man. U LOOK AWESOME.
Great review.
Honor are announcing the global release of the Honor Magic V2 tomorrow. They're also announcing a budget foldable to bring that price of entry for alot of us that have always wanted to purchase a folding phone but its too expensive for. Well played Honor. You're bringing big competition into the market (mainly Samsung) and thats good for all of us! 👌
Did they announce a World wide release??
The Z Fold 5 is a heck of $1800 with a $1000 trade-in ( S 22 Ultra) deal that I was not going to let slip or fold through my fingers!
As an S22 Ultra owner... would you really recommend it?
Cool! Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
The inside screen will not be usable if Samsung sticks with regular form factor. Z fold opens to a portrait orientation, while others open to a landscape orientation, which leaves a lot of black bars when running apps on the inside screen.
idk why everyone is hating on the folds lol. I waited for years for a worthy foldable... purchased the Fold 3 on release day for a hug premium of course.. but it is freaking incredible. No case/additional protectors, many hard drops, the thing has been perfect for me (though wouldn't be worth the investment for casual users). I simply replaced the original inner screen protector with a superior 3rd party one from whichever white/blue stone-something brand after about a year... but I love my 3, and am impressed with how they iterated the 4 (and probably 5, though I haven't seen many breakdowns). Take or leave my 2c... but if you care about tech... are you actually using an apple product?? O.o
Bought the fold 5 people are over complaining about outrr screen its totally useable
What do you need the big inner screen for in a phone doe? I also don’t like that the folding phones have a plastic inner screen that is much more backwards then any apple device on the market. Folding phone is going to remain a niche market just like tablet’s because people don’t need all that screen real estate and the price is just not justifiable and it can never replace a laptop or a computer anyway
@nishantrajani7372 big screens arent needed but its very nice to have its a luxury and youre paying for that when you buy a fold and the inner screen is very nice and the gaming experience is like no other and watching videos and especially for having full desktop experience when web browsing
Going to respond... but you've generalized and are somewhat incorrect. As I said, paying the premium "for a phone" isn't worth it for your average Joe. I think you need to enjoy and utilize tech to spend over 2 thousand (or be an unfeeling Apple customer -just because of how anti consumer they are lol). But yes, unlike Linus, I unfold to use the big screen for media consumption and general usage, rarely checking alarm/notis or responding to something on outside screen. Gaming, media, browsing, using the S pen at work for demonstrations and design... unfolding for a bigger screen leaves non-foldables in the dust. Indeed, I perform many actions on the device that would have required me to use a PC. I use a large midATX desktop for primary work and gaming, and have a work laptop and lots of antique laptops. I'm waiting for arrow lake next year, and when I purchase my own tech I prefer to use a stationary desktop and an on-hand mobile device. I wish society didn't largley demand phone numbers/lines instead of wifi data communications, as a mobile tablet or laptop can have better value thermals or band for buck atm... anyway... years later nothing beats a Windows desktop and a foldable phone for me. @@nishantrajani7372
@@figbyfig5592 I tried it for a week but the gaming with that aspect ratio specially for mobile games is not nice trying to reach all the on screen controls and as for the pc usage I generally need pc for input methods and without mice and keyboard I wouldn’t enjoy the bigger screen. As i said like tablets only a few people will every use them and it comes with downgrade of durability and plastic more easily scratch-able screen.
shave it off
No it looks great stopp
There’s always been too many trade offs to get a foldable. But once it essentially looks and feels like a regular phone, but it opens up. And you’re not trading off battery life, screen resolution, camera quality, etc. that will be great. And it looks like were almost there
Completely agree with you. I am a big fan of SS for more than 22 years and early adopted SS folding phone. Each year, i keep wishing the same...
Bigger front screen please!
Dave, your hair needs its own channel.
His hair needs an intervention.
Bro everything's alright but wtf is this hair! 😢
I like that the fold has a narrower aspect ratio. I can one hand text on it much easier.
I'm using a Z Flip4 as my personal, and I love it. Plus it's the same exact color as my 13 Pro Max.