Volleyball Couple Reaction to Haikyu!! S1E22: "Evolution"
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Professional volleyball player and World Champion Sarah Pavan shares her love of Haikyu!! with her husband/coach and former volleyball athlete, Adam.
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"Evolution." Haikyu: 1st Season. Writ. Taku Kishimoto, Dir. Tomoko Hiramuki, Toshiaki Kanbara, Sentai Filmworks, 2014.
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The one thing that I really like from Oikawa's backstory is what he says towards the end after receiving the award. He gets the best setter award but he says "This award is proof that our spikers gave it all they had". To me this says a lot about his mental growth and attitude. Thanks to conversation with Iwa chan, I think Oikawa wholeheartedly started putting Team first attitude.
Maybe he also realized what kind of setter he wanted to become?thanks to Iwa-chan of course
Many people miss that when Oikawa flips out at Kageyama, he envisions Kageyama with red eyes, but ALSO Ushiwaka from Shiratorizawa with red eyes. He's upset with Kageyama, but what's really freaking him out is the idea that he feels he can't stay on the court playing volleyball because of people who are blessed with god given genius level abilities. He doesn't really want to hit Kageyama; He's having a panic attack and is irrationally trying to defend himself against what he feels is a threat to his existence. You can tell his body acted before his head, because he's surprised when Iwazumi grabs his arm. He didn't know he was about to hit Kageyama. As for Kageyama don't worry, he's completely oblivious to what was about to happen, which is why he approaches Oikawa for tips again. Oikawa sticking his tongue out at Kageyama is yes, immature, but to us as an audience, it's actually a sign of growth because he's no longer panicking and is threatened by Kageyama's desire to get even better at Volleyball. This is why I like Oikawa as a character, he has interesting layers and grows
Exactly 👍
When you think of it, Oikawa don't get physical with people, like some other characters. Even when Iwaizumi punches him, he doesn't punch back. He uses more playful, funny ways to razz them up. You can really see how out of sorts and out of character he is here if you think of that. And he is terrified, when Iea stops him.
Quick thing: the 3rd sets always go to 25 in haikyuu. Only set that goes to 15 in the show is the last of a 5-set match
I legit had flashbacks to Sarah's first watch through and all the times I yelled at my screen when she was 4 seasons in and still saying "this last set only goes to 15 right?" xD
Isn't it the other way around
Right, I swear she got it wrong every time when she watched haikyu the first time, she still hasn’t learned how haikyu sets work lol
The Oikawa backstory for me is a young middle school kid having a panic attack after pushing himself too hard. You can tell he was shocked at himself.
His not apologizing isn't great, his doubling down and being an asshole to his teammate and junior for the rest of the year is pretty bad sportsmanship.
@@sharlesdaviskendy2391 fuck it, he was 12, he made mistakes like every body else
@nothingmorebeautifulthanae86 He was like 14-15, Kageyama was 11-12.
And he's STILL an asshole to the kid. The series starts with him demanding a match against the kid out of pure malice, and then he doesn't even show up for it!
Remember that at this point he's 17-18 and Kageyama is 14-15.
panic + working himself to a point he isnt thinking about anything else
@@sharlesdaviskendy2391Literal seconds after the ordeal, he apologized.
This is just what I think but would like to know if Adam agrees. That the coach at kitagawa (junior high) was a bad coach. When Oikawa was there it seems he didn't have a good time under that coach, the coach didn't even try to talk to kageyama and Oikawa. And even after Oikawa left which just in a year kageyama didn't have a good relation with his teammates and coach didn't even bother questioning the problem and finding a middle ground but now in High school with good coaches Oikawa has a good relation with his juniors and kageyama has a good relation with his seniors.
Side note: Aoba Johsai's banner says 'rule the court' because the name means 'Blue Castle' Miyagi has a famous blue castel in their city.
YES the middle school coaches were AWFUL as coaches they have two incredibly talented setters and both of them had mental breakdowns and succumbed to pressure on their watch!!!
@@BornNguyener I really never thought of it like this. They probably didn't realize how much Oikawa and Kageyama love the sport and dedicate themselves. They are kids of course such would happen. The coaches let them down.
@@karabomasibi2331 when Ukai and Takeda bench Kageyama their first thought is oh I hope Kageyama doesn’t take this the wrong way. When the coaches bench Oikawa they’re not checking on him or making sure he understands why it’s happening they even remark the day after that oh Oikawa seems to be fine now showing they didn’t even dig in to his mental state. Then we see Kageyama get benched by them and the coach SIGHS and is just disappointed that Kageyama lost the trust of the team like it’s the coaches job to have prevented that!! The coach sucks for the plot to go on and give them growth as players but Oikawa and Kageyama are not at fault for poor coaching as children!
It's honestly a bit realistic that the middle school coaches suck? The best coaches don't coach middle school.
I would really love to hear Sarah and Adam’s thoughts about the Kitagawa Daiichi Junior High’s coaching staff! I also want you to remember what Kageyama was thinking about when he is on the bench in this match, I don’t remember exact words but something about how when he was benched before in middle school he was thinking that he was no longer useful and that he could be replaced, rather than cool down, observing and correcting like Ukai tells him to do. If that is the message both Oikawa and Kageyama got, it had to come from somewhere back then. Btw, looking into Oikawa’s character and story, doesn’t mean that we are taking his side “against” Karasuno or Kageyama. For me, it is just the pleasure of seeing interesting characters and evolution and I can appreciate both, considering they have a lot in common.
After this episode, the so called "arrogance" of Oikawa in my mind was shattered. It's facade of his insecurities, thats why he also ackowledges that Kageyama is better than him in setting. In writing perspective, he is a brilliant character with flaws and dreams. He is very realistic embodiment of passion and competitiveness. Both positively and negatively.
Arrogance, more often than not, stems from insecurity though
@@trysthoughts Yep, it'll either make you better or destroy you
Exactly. As you said, this episode makes you realize that Oikawa's cockiness is mostly a front, and thus the resulting view people get of him thinking he's better than everyone else is not really accurate. In reality, he's very insecure, due partly to high personal expectations/goals and the seemingly unconquerable Ushijima and exponentially improving Kageyama closing him in on both sides. How this affects him as a player and drives his growth as a character is one of the best parts of the show, I think.
The comment section is doing a good job of demonstrating the complexity and polarity concerning the character of Oikawa, lol. I think the fact that people have such varying, yet still well-supported and valid, opinions of him and his actions, development, motivations, etc. is proof of how well-written a character he is.
In my opinion, Haikyu excels as a show not because of the accuracy and passion behind the volleyball depictions, or the pure hype it manages to build up (although those are huge parts as well of course), but because of the character writing; Oikawa is one of the prime examples of that. He might be my favourite character in the show, actually, due to the potential for character analysis and study of his psychology. That is different than liking him on a personal level - in real life, I would probably hate his personality lol. He can be rude, pompous, and childish at times. But I can understand, and empathize with, his motivations and fears and how they drive his actions and shape his personality. Ahead of him is the insurmountable Shiratorizawa, and behind him is Kageyama’s encroaching genius; he is confronted with the idea that, despite everything he tries to do or how hard he works, even the upper limits of his ability might never be enough.
After his breakdown and Iwaizumi’s help, he seems to counterbalance this fear with the idea that it’s not just him - there are six players on the court, and he will be the best setter by bringing them all up to their full potential, thereby achieving both team and individual success. When he wins the Best Setter award, he says that of course he is happy to receive it, but also says it is proof their spikers gave it their all. He is largely ego-driven, sure, but does genuinely understand and appreciate the contributions of the whole team.
LMAO
Sarah we are not Volleyball Geniuses. Adam is explaining the importance and complexity of what they did and Sarah is like WELL DUH , OBVI....
hahhahahah
I hope Adam doesn't start talking less because of that 😔
Its always fun to see their dynamic
Sarah wants him to talk and be quiet at the same time. An odd dynamic xD
@@kingragnarok7302 It's called an abusive relationship
@@affable8696 those are the fun ones!
23:37 I saw something like "Oikawa tried to hit Kageyama~" in the comments, so I'd like to add a little bit. I think the exact scene is that he is trying to brush Kageyama off with a big sideways motion of the back of his hand, as if to shake off a phantom. Well, I think he would have ended up hitting him if there had been contact because of the momentum, but I'm not sure if he was attempting to touch him or not. I thought it was a little different from "trying to hit him."
23:50 "Don't come... Don't come..." "Don't come over here!"
By the way, these words are the voice in Oikawa's mind. He didn't say them out loud. (Confirmed by the manga.)
Looking at the situation objectively at this time, Oikawa was silently and unconsciously trying to brush Kageyama off and was stopped by Iwaizumi. So, Kageyama did not know what was going on. It was hard to understand in the anime, so I hope this helps.
Phew! Ah, I do love those reactions, but really "It's his problem, he did it to himself" kind of talk about Oikawa's insecurities had me gritting my teeth. With all the love and respect in my heart; NOT how mental health works! Especially mental health of teenagers! Yeah, it's obvs not Kageyama's fault! Oikawa still needed help at that moment and it's normal that without it his mental health deteriorated (because of stress, pressure and insecurities) to the point of having a panic attack (as others already pointed out, he wasn't in his right mind when he tried to hit Kagyama, was shocked with himself after Iwaizumi stopped him and apologized right after). Not having the natural ability to deal with those things at that age is not his fault. He was basically let down by the adults in his life (cough cough his coach).
Yes, we have to remember these are teenagers.
This is going to be an unpopular position to take :) I agree that his "arrogance" is fueled by his insecurities. I also acknowledge that this is a very common thing that most people face in their life in one way or another. Something I have personally dealt with, albeit maybe not to the same levels. We all make decisions that are not great and make mistakes in different situations, however I believe you are also always responsible for your own actions. You don't bury a kid for his one off actions, and I agree ideally you have an adult (coach) step in and guide and mentor in this positions. But it's still not a great reaction on his part and he definitely needs to learn and grow from the situation. The key is do you learn from the situations where you are not happy with your decisions or do you keep making the same mistakes. I'm the only person that doesn't know lol.
This is definitely not a mental health issue it is a personality issue. Oikawa is insecure. Period. He gets jealous of people with natural talent and needs to appreciate the skills he has.
@@user-rc9lh6pc7r Just like physical heatlh doesn't refer to just treating illnesses but also preventing them and... you know, heath in general, the same goes for mental health. If a kid is a little shy and has troubles speaking in front of a class, it's a personality quirk. If said shyness starts to make them have troubles speaking at all and be scared of interacting with people, it might be developing into social anxiety. If a 15 y/o is so insecure that he starts dangerously overworking himself, has a panic attack and almost hurts another kid, despite never being violent before, then it's clearly becoming a problem he needs help with.
@@anisecandy3108 But this behaviour happens regularly in the real world. To me this behaviour is similar to people bullying individuals who are more talented than them. Instead of physically abusing them they psychologically abuse. It not a mental health issues. It based on perspective. Oikawa needs to change his perspective, in which he does due to iwazumi. He should focus on what he does best, which is understanding his temmmates. He didn't need a therapist for this, just a different perception of himself and situation.
I feel like Oikawa is a misunderstood character, yet he is probably the most relatable character in the entire show. Oikawa aspires to be great at playing volleyball, so he works unbelievably hard as an individual with his spartan jump serve routines and as a team player, getting 100% out of his teammates, yet it's never enough. His skills are impressive, so much so that even Sarah can overcome her dislike for him and give him his flowers. However, if you analyze his strengths you will reach the core of why his character is a tragic one. The show makes a very clear point that Kageyama is just on a completely different level than Oikawa as a setter, his natural abilities eclipsing Oikawas efforts. There is a pre-match sequence that put's this without words perfectly: as Kageyama lays on his bed practicing sets, Oikawa is awake, watching Karasuno's previous match to prep. This isn't just a work ethic thing, Kageyama also works hard but he trusts his abilities enough to just wait for game day, while Oikawa is obsessing over every little detail, because if it weren't the case, he wouldn't stand a chance against Kageyama. Oikawa's second core strength is his profound knowledge of his teammates tendencies, what is their mental like? what tosses do they like? what do they excel at individually? He has to resort to this, not only because he is a good teammate but because he understands that he can't really get much more out of himself as a setter, probably already having found his natural limits. Oikawa's last strength is his killer serve, since he already is doing his best as a setter, teammate and analyzing the game to the best of his abilities, he brute forces himself to be able to jump serve reliably, to the point of overworking himself just to get an edge. If you put all these qualities together, you should have a superstar setter, but in reality that's only Oikawa's barrier to entry, in the end, he is just an ordinary guy desperatly reaching for a talent he simply doesn't posses in a sport he clearly loves. That's why Kageyama is so threatening to Oikawa; for Oikawa, Kageyama is a ticking bomb, it's not a matter of if he will be surpassed by him, but when; for Kageyama, his little rivalry with Oikawa is merely a stepping stone to a bigger stage, and Oikawa knows this. That's when Oikawa's silly attitude comes full circle, he's a bit of a joker outwardly but he must be misserable inside knowing that he cannot live up to the aspirations he has for himself.
Everything you said is completely correct, but Oikawa isn't misunderstood. People understand the things you said well enough. I'm pretty sure Sarah and Adam understand them. Some people just don't like Oikawa and that's that.
@@mediocrewumbo2953 This! Oikawa has most people in fandom running to his defense a second someone says they don't like him, but people still have a gall to call him The most misunderstood in Haikyuu. Just look at the comments, Oikawa fans flooded them again, but nooo, no one understands their poor baby, just them. Tons of them.
@@ZaytsinaYolka yeah, Oikawa Defense Squad is out in full force today
Kageyama Stan over here :V
what a great explanation. especially about how different is retaionship from oikawa to kageyama and from kageyama to oikawa. i didnt think about that, and you are completely right. for oikawa its almost the biggest rivalry in his life, for kageyama its just a hard step that he is sure he will pass
I feel like ignoring Oikawa’s mental position of feeling insecure in his ability is kind of unfair. I feel like it makes him a very relatable character, just because we shouldn’t compare ourselves we do, and in a show with a lot of “genius” players I feel like it makes it realistic. I don’t like the take of “well that’s his problem” :/
I AGREE OMG i furious bcs sarah said something like that. if it's ennoshita from karasuno she would defend him, but if it's oikawa? nope, she despises him 100%
@@kagurraThat's kinda baseless accusation. Her dislike towards Oikawa is based on his behaviour. If it was Ennoshita behaving like that, she would dislike Ennoshita. Generally, everyone's opinions on Oikawa are so different, because his personality is in the grey zone of what's socially acceptable for many people. But people mostly agree that it makes him very interesting character for the story.
"Thats an insecurity issue... he was the starter, he was the captain of the team, he was given every opportunity.... its a him problem"
Even if you are the most perfect person in the whole world I bet the feeling of insecurity may come up every now and then. You also can't expect that just because Oikawa has all this things in front of him doesn't make him immune to that feeling especially if he is surrounded by geniuses like Kageyama and Ushiwaka.
Everyone has insecurities. Not everyone takes those insecurities out on other people.
@@t3cchan Not everyone could handle insecurities especially if that person is literally a teenager going through some rough times without an adult to consult to.
@@misaki_v Yep, agreed. Oikawa definitely couldn't navigate the situation on his own.
Look, I'm not saying Oikawa isn't a realistic character. In fact, I think he's one of the best written in the series.
But compare Oikawa to Asahi for example. Both of these characters face deep insecurities within themselves. But one of them responds by lashing out at others, while the other responds by retreating into himself. Obviously most people will find Oikawa a lot less likeable due to how he responds to his insecurities. And I think that's totally reasonable.
@@t3cchan Asahi was older when that happened and they have very different outlook on what volleyball is to them but I agree with you. Its just the way she explains his whole insecurity like Oikawa isnt allowed to have that feeling bcoz of xyz and sadly it just rub me the wrong way. Even Adam atleast understood why he was feeling all that.
@@misaki_v I don't think she was saying he isn't ALLOWED to feel like that. It's more just that Oikawa being insecure, or being a teenager, does not absolve him of all personal responsibility for his actions.
It literally is a him problem, since different people respond differently to pressure. Someone else in Oikawa's shoes would not have reacted the same way. This response to pressure is something Oikawa specifically needs to work on, and we see that he has taken great strides between middle school and high school.
I agree that Oikawa's feelings are not Kageyama's fault, not that anyone blames him, but that doesn't make his feelings invalid. At that scene, Oikawa was clearly having a mental breakdown. The red perspective and the look on his face after realizing what he almost did was a dead giveaway. He have 3 years worth of frustrations from being second best, as he said, they never even won a set from that specific opponent. He has even reached a point that he's overworking himself, the point is he's doing his best to overcome that opponent and be able to participate in the national tournament and the more he tries, the more painful each defeat comes. As a 14 or 15 year old kid, insecurity is inevitable at that point (he's a teenager, it's normal).
For all his plaudits, we've seen how self-aware Oikawa is (maybe not so much as a middle schooler), so being faced with the immense talent of Kageyama and subsequently being replaced in a game/practice match will be like a nail in the coffin. Again, it is not Kageyama's fault rather, I think the blame should go to the middle school coach who had both of them and never made anything out of it. There's a parallel of conflict between what happened in Oikawa and Kageyama's third year of middle school. The lack of guidance breeding that environment is apparent. Oikawa thinks that he needs to get better so that the team can win and go to nationals while Kageyama thinks that he is so good that his teammates should just follow him so they can win and play more volleyball.
In the end, they both got their lessons the hard way. Oikawa's growth is then shown as he said that "This award is proof that our spikers gave it all they had" upon receiving the Best Setter Award. He did not make the award about himself, instead, it shows how much he thinks highly and values his hitters. Lastly, it seems like Kageyama does not even remember that night encounter with Oikawa, so there was barely any impact to him (bless his innocence). Oikawa was still immature after though. Unfortunately for Kageyama, his middle school mistakes seemed to haunt not just him but also Kindaichi. It is a small detail but I get sad every time Kindaichi reacts each time he notices some growth or change in Kageyama. He's wondering if what he did in middle school was wrong but the truth is that he has been the trigger for Kageyama's self-awareness no matter how traumatic that game was for them.
I got to say the kitagawa coach has to be the worst coach in this series, he almost ruined both oikawa and kageyama, sure his reason for subbing them out was perfectly fine, but he didn't provide the proper guidance to them afterwards, if not for iwaizumi and karasuno both oikawa and kageyama was likely going to slip deeper down with the problems they had.
and with oikawa, yes his insecurities got the better of him, but understandably he was been pincered at both ends, with a wall he couldn't overcome whatsoever, and then with kageyama showing up growing at a rate that looks like he could overtake him at anytime
Spoilers ahead for manga:
also knowing what kageyama was going through around this time man that coach not giving proper guidance really makes me furious
This coach has the two BEST setters in the prefecture and doesn’t go to nationals once in 6 years it’s ridiculous. Instead of coaching Oikawa and teaching him that it’s not his fault that they’re losing to Ushijima it’s a team issue and not using Kageyama as an opportunity to teach Oikawa how to nurture a younger player Oikawa goes through a mental breakdown. THEN 2 years later you don’t manage to tell that Kageyama is going through struggles also and needs coaching instead you have his entire team hate him FIRE THIS COACH he doesn’t deserve a job especially knowing the caliber of players that Oikawa and Kageyama become under proper coaching in the future
@@BornNguyener 100 percent
@@BornNguyener THIS! And even worst Kitaichi coach is older and more experienced compared Ukai Jr and Takeda, who both are very novice as volleyball coaches yet they knew how to handle Kageyama. It always amaze me how young Ukai and Takeda were able to create such supportive environment for their team but still push them to always be competitive without being toxic.
At this point Sarah is just looking for reasons to hate Oikawa lol
Indeed. This is the very only thing I really dislike about her reaction videos. I really can sense that Adam is objective about Oikawa and doesn't totally hate him at all. It just still surprises me Sarah's seemingly the only one among all others who reacted to Haikyuu to really hate Oikawa.
Well its an anime people who watch will support the main cast. But to be honest its her second watch so she should have been a little bit objective and not much biased with her fav main cast
She does not voluntarily tries to fully understood oikawa imo.
Dont get me wrong she said she respected Oikawa and that's fine but could you really respect someone without fully understanding them?
@@silentsh1nx223 To be fair, it's absolutely possible to understand Oikawa and still not like him. I, for once, would be totally OK with him as a teammate, but I wouldn't want to be friends with him
@@dishka3452
I can respect and be professional but i dnt have to be friends with him.
~ sarah
Oikawa for me, is one of the most relatable character in Haikyuu. He's not just a "good and cocky player." He works hard, he has insecurities, he doesn't want to lose. His character development throughout the series is the reason why he's my favorite character.
GOATIKAWA
Well you can be cocky but still works hard for it. But just because you're good, doesn't mean that you have to be cocky or arrogant about
Spoiler alert
It reminds me of a certain player in S4, which I am neutral either even though he's a fan favorite. The perfect example of good but humble would be aone or the left-handed ace we will meet in the future
If you're talking abt a certain setter in s4 im inclined to agree, i like them a lot less. They seem a lot more conceited about their success, rather than just being confident like Oikawa, who i see as favoured because he has not been a champion nor made it to nationals. His confidence seems to inspire confidence in his team; his snarky remarks act to discourage the opponents. It seems almost strategic compared to an s4 character that is driven by ego. He never says things like "a hitter is bad if they cant hit my sets," he does not rest on his laurels even despite individual accolades recieved. Much prefer him to the character i think youre referencing, but I am an Oikawa fan more and more each watch so.@@Intersectingstuff
Captain my captain, oikawa the goat
The premise of his motivation, to see how far and high he can reach by maximizing every single aspect is my favorite type of athlete.
Love it when you acknowledge how massive it is for Kageyama to learn to let go of his control and acknowledge Tsukki's input. Not many reactors realized how big this moment is. And yes, Suga from this moment on will always be the proud parent of the 1st years but esp for Kageyama.
I think it’s interesting yalls perspective on oikawa. On yalls teams when y’all were younger were yall the best player? Because I think the reason a lot of us like oikawa is because we know the feeling of not being blessed with amazing skills and physiques and working so hard only to keep coming in second place. It’s a frustration that is hard to understand at that age which at this oikawa was 15ish in the flashback. That frustration increases when he realizes it’s not just one person in the whole district but also in his school he can’t even be the best.
That's the point! Literally everyone experience anger and frustration in their lives, but not everyone react the way Oikawa did. Even if something bad happened to you, it doesn't give you a carte blanche to hurt others. What happened was understandable, yes, but still not OK.
We have to give Adam a pat on his back on how smoothly the names of the teams and the players now roll off his tongue. When he remarked how "unfair" it was that Sarah knows all the names of everyone in the show, I laughed. I am sure Adam will get there and be like Sarah when we get "Season 3 of The Sarah and Adam Reaction to Haikyuu featuring Sarah's parents", who were both sports people in the past lol.
Just wanted to clear something up for Tsukishima's sake, since the translation was not in his favor:
11:38 (discussion related to it at 11:55~) 「な～んかいずそうな打ち方だなぁ、月島…」→ "Tsukishima's not hitting it with all he's got" isn't the best translation. I believe「いずい」is a northern Japan dialect that means something like "Doesn't feel right / Doesn't fit / Feels uncomfortable", so a more literal translation would be like "The way Tsukishima's hitting seems like it's really uncomfortable for some reason...". so it's not so much that Ukai thinks Tsukishima's "not hitting with all he's got (11:58)" intentionally, but more that Tsukishima appears to be uncomfortable & UNABLE to make the best of his hits for some reason.
It makes me so sad that we get a flashback from Oikawa’s pov to understand him as a middle schooler, with the immense pressure to be the best and compete with a younger kid who is deemed a prodigy, a genius. He is so stressed, to the point of finally breaking down. He seems horrified when he realizes he almost hit Kageyama. Yet, people still look at it from Kageyama’s pov: still judge Oikawa harshly.
They judge him harshly because no matter what sort of personal struggles one is dealing with, its still no excuse to almost assault another person, especially one of your teammates. Kageyama completely idolized Oikawa. Imagine fanboying over someone on your team and then having them take a swing at you, and you have no idea why. The poor thing still kept trying to ask his senpai for help, and Oikawa gave him nothing. I love Oikawa as a character, so I can sympathize with his struggles with insecurity. Hell, I can even empathize, because I struggle with that a lot myself. It will still never be acceptable for him to attack Kageyama over that. You can understand where Oikawa is coming from, and still critique his actions for being out of line.
@@withxoutxlifea 14/15 year old having a mental breakdown almost backhands another student then immediately apologies its “assault” but when other players on every team literally get into fights/altercations no one ever says assault 😬 They’re KIDS no one says Iwaizumi assaults Oikawa when he headbutts him in the face moments later 😂
@@BornNguyeneryou are definitely right but I do think there is a difference between the hit from iwaizumi and the one Oikawa was going to do as Iwaizumi is Oikawa’s friend and they have that type of relationship with each other, but the Oikawa one was out of anger and no part of it was wanting better for Kageyama. Like I can punch my friend in the shoulder and it not be an issue but if I do it to a stranger yes it is assault. It is even more so going to be seen it if it was someone I disliked
@marc68521 a hit is a hit no matter what their relationship is. Also that headbutt that he did made Oikawa bleed from his nose so its not really a "friendly" one. Bottomline is, I'm glad Oikawa never really hurt Kageyama and realized his mistake.
@@marc68521 the point I’m making is there are many many altercations in the show and literally no one cries assault except for Oikawa x Kageyama when the other fights are MUCH more physical. I don’t condone the violence but kids will be kids and boys will be boys fights happen. But to nitpick a backhanded slap that never even makes contact and once Oikawa even realizes what he almost does he apologizes is silly to me.
I think that Sarah may never understand Oikawa bcoz she is pretty much a "Kageyama" herself (which they have acknowledge btw). Someone who is naturally born talented may never experience the struggles of what a "normal" person trying to become great like Oikawa does.
Edit: omg chill guys no need to fight here 😂
Fair point. Hopefully this is mi consuelo de pataranta for kinda giving up on Sarah to convince her to not completely hate Oikawa 😭
yeah is so wild she genuinely hates him and can't accept one single good thing about him
it's funny because she dislike him for being childish but she gets even more childish by being so stubborn
Fr. That's what I was thinking too. Oikawa is for us normies who struggle to reach the top but Sarah is an innate talent kinda person so she'll never relate to Oikawa's struggles. I wanted her to like him so badly but I can definitely see why she misconstrues him most of the time😭
[kita shinsuke has entered the chat.] sarah might have innate talent, but it's not like she doesn't work hard or struggle for what she's gotten. i don't think it's fair to say that she can't understand the hard work and effort it takes in the struggle to reach the top. she may not empathize with oikawa, and part of it might very well be that she was the kind of legendary player the oikawas of her world were trying to beat -- but i would not say it's because she simply can't understand the struggle. talent without immense effort and sacrifice does not make a world champion.
Love it when Adam goes for the pause to make an observation/prediction, shows how much into the show he is now! 🎉 Love that shirt Sarah’s wearing.
Kageyama is less popular than other setters among Haikyuu's fans. But for those who finally see that he is honestly just a good boy who is socially inept. He just need a good role model. And gratefully Sugawara finally come into picture and show him how to deal with the team, what is the meaning of being teammates. Things that he never got anyone taught him in middle school. Karasuno is a really good support system for Kageyama.
Wow this might be the first time I disagree with Sarah on something 😅
Yes Oikawa should not have lashed out at Kageyama a persons mental health issues are not an excuse for violence. That being said he’s going through a clear mental breakdown and to just say you’re the captain and starter your insecurities are a you problem I just can’t agree with it. I don’t think we should just blame a 14/15 year old boy for having insecurities and not being taught proper ways to handle what he perceives as his failures! (We can see this in his language before Iwaizumi headbutts some sense into him and he changes his volleyball philosophy “I want to win I want to go to nationals.” I’m not good enough) This fundamentally comes down to a failure in his coaches in my opinion they have never won a single set vs Shiratorizawa and this coaching staff has done NOTHING they were hands off with Oikawa and hands off with Kageyama when he was a 3rd year as well! There is no reason why these KIDS should be feeling this pressure. Like the middle school coaches suck they have TWO generational setters in the prefecture with Oikawa and Kageyama and didn’t produce anything from it they should be fired just based on results let alone failing to develop them as humans 😂 If there was a Takeda or Ukai there coaching Oikawa and Kageyama neither of them would have ever reached their breaking points, but then we wouldn’t get the beautiful story of Haikyuu that we have currently 😅
Oikawa and Kageyama were victims of bad middle school coaching and they both should have had counseling or therapy. We should not handwave a persons mental struggles just because they’re talented, skilled, good looking or whatever other positive thing you perceive them as we all struggle and that’s why Oikawa is the most human character in this show👏👏👏
When Tobio realized, or, rather, was made aware, that Oikawa views him as a rival, it only pumped him up. It was the first player he'd met who was as talented and dedicated to the sport as Kageyama himself. Only after Oikawa left for high school his problems started. As he said a few episodes before, he thought he went to a great powerhouse school, but it was just that one amazing player that was great. Yes, he tries to beat Oikawa, but also in complete admiration of him, and will continue to learn from his techniques and repeat his moves (if you pay close attention to the gameplay). And I agree with people who say that coaches utterly fail them, by letting conflicts in the team to just escalate.
Also, about Iwaizumi being better suited to be captain, there is a chapter in the spin-off comedy manga Haikyuu-bu about why it's not that great of an idea, and Oikawa turned out to be a better one for the role :):):):)
It's great to see Adam be so verbose in this reaction! I was looking forward to this episode as a Tsukishima fan as it dug deeper into his dynamics with Kageyama. You guys didn't disappoint. 🖤
Oikawa's growth makes me tear up every time, especially considering the later chapters in the manga 🥹
6:00 just noticed that Kageyama aimed for the Libero on his first serve back, just like Oikawa aimed at Nishinoya, but Kageyama one-upped Oikawa by actually getting the point.
Noya is too good
It’s so funny to see Sarah being a know-it-all, getting frustrated at Adam about missing details in the show.. She basically like us, the viewers, during her first run of the series. 😂😂😂
I believe others may have commented on this, so sorry if I am repeating the same info, but when Oikawa goes to swing his arm to hit Kageyama, it is not to hit Kageyama's body, but the ball out of his hands - a physical rejection of Kageyama's request. Or at least that is from what it seems like to me from the movement and positioning of the action. This is why this action (while not good) did not put me off Oikawa (since it wasn't physical violence), but rather just made me realize that he is still young and going through many things, too.
i am alittle disapointed that even in the second watch through sarah was still oh poor kagayama in oikawas flash back. not even comenting on the fact that at that time Oikawa was so stressed and felt under pressure (because of constant losses to shiwatawiza and the addidtion of a prodigy first year setter) he was working himself half to death and despite his personality very out of character for him lashed out. i honestly think the people who sympathise with and like Oikawa understand his struggles and those who things come to more easilly just see him as an ass and cant understand his struggle and frustration
A lot of volleyball players in Haikyuu had had to deal with constant losses and insecurities, and no one lashed out at their juniors but Oikawa. He literally drove himself in a corner, but people really think his pride is something worth constant praises. No. It's his flow but him telling about 'my useless pride' to Ushiwaka sounded cool so people now believe it's a good thing.
@@ZaytsinaYolka i dont think its so much pride but realization of your own limitations. remember in the flashback Oikawa is 13/14 yo has a true passion for vollyball and worked his ass off to become a great player. its one thing to be constantly beaten by someone his own age that is naturally gifted(not taking away from ushiwakas own work ethic) but at the same time to have a 10/11yo Kageyama come in who Oikawa himself recognizes as a better player than him and being so frustrated knowing no matter how hard he trains and improves he will forever be a step behind such people for someone at that age would not only be a devistating realization but so frustrating.. and i think Kageyama asking to help him be even better was the straw that broke the camels back in the sence of your already better than me and you want me to teach you the one thing that gives me the edge over you.. immature yes but relatable and understandable especially since it was already shown he was pushing himself to hard and was not in a great mental state
@@nogarddragonkin Nothing relatable about to be cornered by no one but yourself to the point you accidentally try to physically assault someone. For me at least. He literally was one of the best, and it wasn't enough for him. He even thinks if his team lost it's all on him. Also it's ironic he had someone to help him out of that place of mind, he is lucky to have Iwaizumi. If not, he could end up similar to Kageyama, who was never been told out loud his sets are frustrating and was abandoned in the middle of the game. Oikawa could be the one (not that specific situation, but also some consequences), but he is so petty he wouldn't help a kid on his own team because he afraid this kid could surpass him eventually. Yes, it's not Oikawa's job, but he was bad teammate and sempai for Kageyama. Sugawara in this exact ep says couple of things to Kageyama and we see he is willing to listen. Oikawa wouldn't do that because he didn't think about future of his middle school team, only about his own frustration.
Everyone has insecurities. Not everyone takes those insecurities out on other people. This is the difference between someone like Oikawa and, say, Asahi.
Of course Oikawa would still have his thing with Kageyama because he views Kageyama as one of the destined opponents to beat. This alone shows that Oikawa acknowledges Kageyama’s ability very well enough and he never disrespects him but instead he told Kageyama front on that he would one day beat him on the court through volleyball.
For the incident in middle school, of course it wasn’t Kageyama’s fault just as you said in the vid, he’s just a kid who loves volleyball and wants to improve. Yet, Oikawa himself was also a teenager working his ass off trying to break through two high walls, Ushijima and Kageyama. He was only 15 and was lost at that stage of his life (not saying it is rightful for him to almost hit Kag in the face) but what if you try to change up the point of view and put yourself into his shoes? If you could obviously view the incident from Kag’s POV then why not from Oikawa’s?
Maybe because I feel Oikawa was too proud to like admit defeat I guess. He has been told that he shouldve gone to shiratorizawa but he won't. It's kinda his own fault that he got stuck there, and Kageyama was not even a mountain back then. Although this episode did soften Oikawa a bit, I still feel that he was too proud and arrogant as a character, though he's fun to watch
He didnt even know he was hitting Kageyama, he was spiralling and had a break down and was trying to protect himself from what he thought to be danger. He even looks so shocked and says a quick small “im sorry” when he realizes what he’s done.
@@Intersectingstuff If he would admit defeat then it will probably be over for him. Him not accepting defeat is what drives him to try everything to win with his mind games, to good observation skills, acknowledging that he cannot give pinpoint tosses, making perfect serves in tense situtation, understanding his teammates and using them to best of their ability. What seems proud and arrogant, in sports many great player's self confidence come from this proudness only even if you look irl. I think he is one of the best character in haikyuu.
@@cozydaydreamss yeah totally. I never said he intended to hit Kageyama, poor him was on the verge of breakdown.
@@Intersectingstuff Oikawa has all the right to be proud because that’s how good he is.
Being proud of himself and being “arrogant” are two totally different things. Being arrogant wouldn’t allow him to admit that Kageyama has better talents than him when it comes to pinpoint tossing; being arrogant wouldn’t make him feel so stressed and nervous when it comes to either Kageyama or Ushijima; last but not least, being arrogant would NEVER drive him to practice as hard as he could to be better. Being arrogant is meaning Oikawa would think of himself as the best but that’s never the case for him, all he ever wants is to be a better self.
*SPOILER ALERT*
And to be honest, Oikawa should never go to Shiratorizawa because of Ushijima. For such a talented and strong-minded setter as Oikawa, he would never be able to fully grow or to fully play his strengths there because with the team having Ushijima, Shiratorizawa only needs a setter who would wholeheartedly “serve” Ushijima instead of someone who could aggressively lead the team’s play, which is also why Shiratorizawa’s setter is Shirabu not Semi.
Oikawa clearly had a panic attack. You can see it clearly by watching the episode
I feel sorry for Oikawa, really. So many people ignored his pov. I know violence isn’t the answer, but he was breaking down at that point. Right in front of him is a huge wall that he could never beat down for several years, and right behind him is another tough wall closing in. Seriously 😢, at least Kageyama is only competing with himself and has no genius tailing after him till he graduated. Oikawa is only two years older, and at that time, he was 15. Just like what you said about Kageyama in junior high, his brain wasn’t really developed either.
Sarah please never change!❤ Your attitude & opinions are so refreshing and entertaining, so please don't let the comments get to you. Some oikawa fans don't seem to get that people can have different opinions and feelings and that it's ok to dislike certain characters :)
Of course it's ok to dislike any characters you want, but judging someone without fully understanding them is another thing.
@@tuongvycapricorn she is allowed to judge him based on what she's seen of him. All of us judge people without 100% knowing their backstory, it's normal. Ofc the manga might change her mind (and the timeskip in particular) but she hasn't read that so all she can do is form her opinion based on the anime. And she doesn't like what she's seeing. Which is a totally valid opinion. We judge based on our feeling so just bc YOU can relate to oikawa and feel like you know the "real" him doesn't mean that you're right or that she has to fall in line with your opinion. She has a different life experience so she reacts to him differently. It's weird to try and persuade her to change her opinion.
I love how Haikyuu develops the characters of both teams, diving in the past of them, showing their motivations, the reason why they act like that. Be ready, Adam, there's a lot more to come.
Iwaizumi is like Seijoh's shadow capitain. Oikawa leads everyone else on the team around, but Iwaizumi is definitely the boss of Oikawa.
Correction the 3rd Set actually goes to 25 not 15
Oikawa is not a genius but he is look up by lot of genius😭
アダムさんの寝癖(かな？)がかわいい！
彼がサラを見る度に、話より髪に意識が行くのをやめられない😂❤
Saraahhh. There is an extra scene from season 3 with Wakatoshi talking to all his teammates after the match and j bet you would love it!111
HERE WE GOOOOO! You always seem to post like RIGHT when I'm looking for something to watch.
I think people will always see what part of Oikawa they choose to see according to the type of lives they have personally led and the kinds of people they have had to deal with. And it is the same with Kageyama. I would not like to work with either of Oikawa's or Kageyama's past self. Even though I admire Oikawa the most after finishing the series and Kageyama is a character that I've came to love gradually after watching the anime like... 4 times and reading the manga twice. It took me a while to finally be able to understand Kageyama's mindset because we're both essentially very different people. Contrary to which I have been able to grasp Oikawa a lot faster. And I think it is perfectly fine for any person for whom it takes longer to understand either of them, it is absolutely valid. I only ever really understood Kageyema after watching Sarah and Adam highlight his emotions that they're able to connect to more quickly. And I'm really glad for it.
It is definitely inexcusable that Oikawa's insecurities led to an almost physical attack on Kageyama and that Kageyama, who does not dwell too much into human emotions asked Oikawa to teach him again, to which he was straight up refused. But Kags found his own way to learn, he thought "if he's not teaching, I'll do it on my own" and he just watched Oikawa serve and did his best to copy him. Hurt people shouldn't hurt people. But it is just as inexcusable about Kageyama that he doesn't dwell too much into the emotions of his own teammates which led to his cross off with his team in junior high. If emotions of your teammates would not be a crucial part of Volleyball, Kageyama would never even bother. And just as Kageyama is growing to understand the "current state" of his teammates and we're able to see his journey close up, Oikawa is growing too. He has grown till the third year of high school, I think it'd be a cherry on top if he could show Kageyama the respect that he deep down feels for him. They are literally 16 -18 year olds. They are both discovering new emotions along with their games. Kageyama only looks up to Oikawa and Oikawa only thinks of Kageyama as an enemy which would later develop into a proper rivalry. I personally love how both of these characters are complex and their journey is not so smooth.
At 7:00 I get Adam's enthusiasm completely!! That's how I felt when I first watched it, it was such a "gotcha!" moment for Karasuno, and it shows that Aoba Josai's players are also just kids and don't have enough experience to anticipate that depending on non-technical tells can backfire. As a non athletic person, moments like these take me into the psyche of athletes and it's really so interesting how many mind games go into sports, something that is typically stereotyped as brawn > brains
Yup Iwaizumi is truly the captain material. But I think Oikawa became Captain not only overall skill wise he is better but also he has very good analytical mind and always one step ahead of everyone when it comes to reading the game.
But then Iwazumi is not captain material then Oikawa is. Two contradictory statement
@@mukulkansara1907 Not contradictory at all. I was giving my opinion on why Oikawa was chosen to be captain eventhough Iwaizumi is more mature, wise and know to handle problematic teammates like Oikawa and Mad Dog. I think both of them are suitable as captains. But my reasonings above are why I thought Oikawa was chosen as captain.
I don't believe Oikawa has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Kageyama. If anything, it's more a competitive spirit. He sees Kageyama as a proper rival, which is why he acts the way he does towards him. But Oikawa gives credit where it's due and we know he acknowledges Kageyama.
Also, after reading the comments, I see varying opinions from people regarding Oikawa's back story and almost hitting/pushing Kageyama. Everyone agrees it's not excusable, but I feel like people make it sound so easy to just not do it. It's easy to be a 3rd person and make those kinds of comments, but it's a fact that people react differently under extremely stressful situations. And no one can say for sure, unless they've experienced it themselves, that they wouldn't have done what Oikawa did at the time. Being in the actual situation yourself and being a 3rd person are totally different because it's possible you could act differently than what you'd expect. That's totally normal unless you've really thought about it beforehand and have strong beliefs and morals and support system. Just my 2 cents.
Yeaaah Oikawa was out of line, but he was a middle schooler. He was under a self imposed pressure and stress and he lost his head. He learned from that he grew. I love ya but you look for reasons to hate on Oikawa. Motivated reasoning does not lead one to the truth.
I truly feel Oikawa here. I love Kageyama, and like Sarah said: It's not his fault. But we need to also understand Oikawa's perspective. Imagine always working so hard while recognizing there's a limite you can't break because the who looks up to you can just surpass you without the same amount of effort you put because you're not a genius? We can't forget that Oikawa wa also really young back then, and he was having a panick attack. Again, there's no villain in Haikyuu. Each character is unique and incredible in their own way and that's way I love it so much.
Awesome reaction....it's so wholesome to watch you guys interact with each other.
BTW, if I had a bro house, I think I will put Iwaizumi.... He is so mature and knows how to handle everyone.
Tsukishima waited to spike until the libero did the pre-emptive run up. I can't say for sure, but I think he was watching for that.
I agree with everyone else who mentioned this. Why are you taking Kageyama's perspective when this is Oikawa's flashback you should be thinking about it from Oikawa's perspective and all the pressure he was feeling and his insecurites because he worked so hard to get were he is and here comes a prodigy first year who has to do practically nothing and is excelling in everything. I expected it from Sarah since she never really liked or likes Oikawa but respects him as a player, but you Adam you were always reserving your judgment and yet when it FINALLY came for Oikawa's backstory you take Sarah's perspective(not that it was wrong) as your own when hers is all about Kageyama and not Oikawa like it should have been.
This was one of the scenes for me that solidifed Oikawa as my favourite Haikyuu Character right along with Suga. They are both my favourites because I relate to both of them so well. I was really really hoping for a honest opinion on Oikawa's backstory from your perspective Adam from Oikawa's point of view, not Kageyama's since this is not his flashbacks but OIkawa's. So could you please reply with your honest opinon from Oikawa's point of view and does your opinion of him change at all.
"Why are you taking Kageyama's side?!"
LOL. Incredible.
It's a flashback to a formative time in Oikawa's career. There are no "sides", and there is no obligation for people to relate to him. If you relate to him, great! But don't push your perspective onto others by telling them how they "should" or "shouldn't" react.
It's my favorite character, so you all should love him too! How dare someone not like him instantly when I did!
I feel like sarah hates oikawa too much that she forgets what's positive about him. Oikawa's act towards kageyama in junior high is kinda relatable because of their age and their raging mentality to get better. I don't wanna spoil but there are some moments in the future episodes that'll show why oikawa is one of the best written haikyuu character
sometimes it is not the case of "forgeting whats positive" but rather "good does not justify the bad"
i mean, its not great metaphor for oikawa's case but when someone is a serial killer nobody looks at them and goes "yeah he killed all those victims but people forget that he donates to charity and helps in animal shelter on weekends". no, there is limits to how much bad can be justified by good and sometimes some things cant be ignored no matter how much good there is.
ofc as i said the example i made is extreme but metaphor stands, yes oikawa was in bad state of mind but that does not justify physical assault on someone younger than you nor is it an excuse that allow someone to be a-hole with a free pass.
I love oikawa but if anyone hates him it is completely justified cause there is lot of material to hate him for
@@frankcayseron8637 It’s not like Oikawa is the only one in Haikyuu that used force on others. If your standpoint is no physical force whatsoever then how come “Oikawa almost hit Kageyama is bad” but “Iwa kicked and head banged Oikawa/Kageyama verbally abused teammates for years and attacking Hinata are okay”?
Of course everyone has every right to hate on any character. But try to make your prejudice looks reasonable by comparing teenage issues to serial killer is just unreasonable.
@@frankcayseron8637 dude oikawa is a kid when he tried to hit kageyama. When you play competitive sports and it really takes a toll on someone to face that kind of pressure. It happens to many growing athletes all the time. It's a normal thing which i don't think need to be considered "evil".
@@chamomilechien3210 you are absolutelly correct in that my comparison is out of proporsion and exageration. i did state so myself cause i couldnt bother finding more accurate one due to me not seeing the purpose of finding one. the logic stands as long you can alienate the extremety of the issue and focus on paralels.
That being said, to address your other thing. difference between iwaizumi headbutting oikawa and oikawa trying to slap kageyama is in the context. firstly iwa and oikawa are childhood friends so there is level of trust formed. ofc it is not ok that iwa headbutted oikawa but there is trust between friend that states you wont run to court every time you have disagreements. as for kags being verbally abusive, that still fits into friendship clause up to the point where he goes overboard in season4 when its addressed so i think you already know answer to that one but lacked better examples so we are on the same boat with that :)
TL:DR yes you are right those examples are also not ok but there are things that are forgivable but attacking someone two years younger than you unwaranted and unprovoked is objectively more wrong than any other abuse portrayed in anime is not amongs them
@@Alex-ud4tl absolutely, i am not labeling it as evil, i am labeling it as mental weakness. i never said his assault came from place of malice but rather mental insecurity nor did i say oikawa is horrible human being. but yes i admit these are some things that could be "concluded" due to my extreme metaphor so i take the blame on that.
I did say though that i love oikawa as character and his mental state plays big part to why i find him interesting. but no i dont think that stuff validates or justifies everything so its absolutely fair game to not like him
I really love Suga setting up Kageyama and Tsukki to interact in this eps😂 also the disappointment in Adam and Sarah's face seeing Oikawa refuse to teach Kageyama childishly😂😂
I think Sarah might not connect with Oikawa, probably due to cultural differences. In Asia, the environment often leans towards a competitive vibe rather than a collaborative one. Growing up in this comparison-driven world, I can relate a lot to Oikawa. Even though I didn't put in as much effort as Oikawa, I still felt a lot of insecurities when I was young.
Oikawa didn't want to mentor Tobio, his competitor, because he didn't want to reveal his own strengths. I used to be like that in junior high too. It took getting older for me to understand the importance of sharing and collaboration. That's why I love Oikawa more than Tobio. His journey taught me that instead of blaming myself for not being good enough, I should first focus on whether I've given my best effort.
This is my second round of watching Sarah’s reacts and I think she still doesn’t understand the complexities of Oikawa cus her mentality is so based in her real life experiences which is what makes her perspective so fresh and welcomed. She’s adding another layer of depth to the character we might not have realized without her perspective. Although there are heavy misconceptions that are often said, it’s okay it’s their opinions and thoughts :)
So Sarah already forgot, but the third set goes to 25.
In this show, only a few matches are five set matches and only the fifth set goes to 15. On a three set match, all three sets go to 25.
The block animation is one of the cleanest and smoothest moments I wish were in more highlight clips
the way I see Oikawa's flashback is that he's constantly chasing something he can never seem to achieve (beating Ushiwaka) while having all of this pressure pushing him from the back (Kageyama the prodigy). So he's in this state where he's trying to catch something just out of reach while losing balance from being pushed from behind
something about oikawa always makes me tear up (including the ova, looking forward to look at sarah and adam's reaction on it later on!!)
Thanks Adam for allowing me to see Oikawa from a different perspective and actually appreciate him. I used to not. Now I appreciate him.
"Its not fair that you know everybody's name"
Wel ya know what, a Queen can't help but slay
Whenever Adam goes for his tea? (or whatever drink) I assume he is gonna pause.
Every time Adam says something is just like my coach says something to me😂
can't wait to see your page reach 100,000 subscribers and see a silver UA-cam monument on the shelf behind you ☺☺☺
You feel for oikawa, his passion, but you gotta love a friend like iwaizumi, first watchthrough u dont really notice him till much later, but hes the friend everyone wants
im not saying oikawa is justified in being as ashat, but imagine loving volleyball so much and for 5 years up until now, he has lost to ushijima every, single, year. and maybe even more than once every year considering there are multiple tournaments. being 13-16 YO that gets u, especially when you put in as much work as oikawa does
Everyone need Iwa-chan in their live. ❤
This is me reminding you guys that they play the 3rd set to 25. The only sets that go to 15 are the 5th sets in a Bo5.
It is fun to watch the team grow stronger and stronger. The movie is like that.the film version of Haikyuu was released on 16 February.
I saw it in previews
It was great, I laughed, I cried, I was moved. The 84 minutes were a happy time.
I had a lingering feeling. And then I was greeted by...Godzilla's 3m platform
When I get on and got off the elevator, Godzilla welcomes me
. Both films really moved me.
Brust out laughing when Sarah said Kageyama "his volleyball IQ is high" (reminding me of the beginning of season 2 haha 😂😂)
It's true tho?
@@roxanne1380 i mean, all his iq is only in volleyball, 😂 just remind me of kageyama and hinata's exams in season 2
I think Oikawa and Kageyama was same issues in junior high but Oikawa had friends Iwaizumi help him get over it and Kageyama was “hitoribocchi (alone)”
everyone hates on oikawa even after seeing his backstory. he clearly has huge imposter syndrome - being deemed "the best" but personally knowing that there are innately talented people who are already ahead of you, and while you're already sprinting to catch up, theres someone better right on your back who might surpass you at any moment - that's an uneasy position to come to terms with and not to mention the enormous pressure to stay on top of your game. if his survival mechanism is to be a little begrudging and immature towards kageyama, then that's better than not taking accountability and being bitter. he's never blamed kageyama for his own insecurities but he recognises that kageyama is a trigger for him (as well as ushiwaka). i think oikawa's character is so human that if you hate him, you're just refusing to accept that actual people have flaws which don't necessarily make them a bad person.
Hi Sarah and Adam, thank you for your reactions and insights! It's lovely to see your perspectives, and please be assured that my comments are not intended to oppose your feelings. It's great to see various interpretations.
A little personal understanding to Oikawa & Kageyama dynamic: what Oikawa said to Kageyama after their last middle school match is not about being petty. In the context of animes (forgive me if I'm wrong), it's not uncommon for a senior to challenge their junior to future matches upon graduations. If anything, it shows that Kageyama was acknowledged by Oikawa as a respected rival, and Oikawa had grown more confidentce to welcome challenges from Kageyama. It's actually a moment that I come to appreciate.
Regarding Oikawa's insecurity, I just want to say that, maybe it's not an "all him problem"? The pressure he's been under was tangible. Yes, what he already had should satisfy most middle school athletes, but frustration and fear often come from high self-requirements. As someone who aims to play on national level, he DID look second best. Him being "not as gifted" was not only in his head, but also recognized by his coach and by Iwaisumi. He failed in the same situation, year after year, despite giving his full effort, which definitely puts a toll on one's mentality. Kageyama, at this very point, came in with everything Oikawa did not have: immense talent, and the love for volleyball that was not stained by self-doubt and failures. I would say it's not unreasonable for Oikawa to feel not needed and unworthy. Yes, Kageyama did nothing wrong and he was pure and cute and should receive support rather than being pushed away, but people are not always at their best state to give the most appropriate reaction, especially considering Oikawa was also young himself and was struggling with his own issues.
All I want to say is that, indeed, Oikawa could have seen things from a more mature and open perspective, but don't many mental health issues start from not being able to adjust perspectives because of particular experiences or situations?
All the controversies aside, I also want to appreciate a little point about the Oikawa & Kageyama rivalry. Kageyama, based on years of observation and admiration, can perfectly read into Oikawa's mentality and habit. Oikawa, in turn, is aware of how much Kageyama has grown just from that one play. I love this mutual understanding on the court.
Once again, thank you for sharing your opinions and feelings, Sarah and Adam. I genuinely appreciate your perspectives, and I hope the conversations in the comment section haven't made you feel pushed back. It's wonderful to have your reactions.
I think Japan plays final set 25 for best of 3, unless it’s best of 5.
Yes!
There is another interesting point about Kageyama’s relationship with Oikawa that I haven’t seen really discussed. Kageyama is extremely happy about having a point of reference in Oikawa, an “amazing player”, a setter that he wants to surpass. But he wasn’t able to ask the _right_ questions: asking for technical advice about an individual skill, the jumping serve. When it comes to technical skills, Kageyama gets there faster, intuitively and with less effort because that’s his strength or talent. So Oikawa doesn’t answer him _on this particular request_
This is something that I think is more typical of the kind of mentoring traditionally used in Japan from older times. The student isn’t really coached on certain things until he is ready or until he has perfected other aspects of his learning process. I think Furudate was writing Oikawa and Kageyama with *mentoring by example and imitation* , rather than direct teaching, in his mind . Oikawa will recognize Kageyama as his “junior” or as his student only after Kageyama will be ready to learn what is Oikawa’s area of expertise, the only area that he CAN teach Kageyama usefully. Teaching him to serve is rather not necessarily: Kageyama has the ability already to get there and it will give him just an “unfair” advantage in their little context. But there are other things Kageyama needs to work on, whereas Oikawa gets there faster: for example at the end of this episode Oikawa is extremely motivated by Kageyama’s comprehensive analysis about that last play in the set. He recognizes Kageyama’s progress in his own area of expertise, where Kageyama hasn’t really challenged him yet!
I would really like for Sarah to read this, because I think enjoying Oikawa as a character *doesn’t* mean expressing a preference for him instead of Kageyama. It is just that understanding both of them gives me much more appreciation for what they both give the story.
And Oikawa will be ultimately Kageyama’s reference. Suga lacks the competitive nature or that same yearning to play, so he may be good as a teammate but not as an ultimate motivation.
Oikawa will always be my fav over Kageyama. Both had their mental breakdown but while Oikawa come from his insecurity, Kageyama coming from his "I'm the best but my spikers are shit" mentality. That's why I'm confused why Sarah loved Kageyama but not Oikawa.
He has that swagger about him and he puts up a front that seems very shallow and aggressive so I can see him rubbing people the wrong way. There are just some poeple who you just cant get along with you know like natural opposites. That being said, I’m not one of them cus I absolutely love Oikawa and it’s blowing my mind that Sarah’s kept true to her dislike of him this long 😂
@@befuddledrai Sarah relates to Kageyama more, it's an understandable bias coming from (what i assume) is inability to relate to Oikawa
Did u read the manga ? If u read, u must know kageyama mental breakdown not just because " i'm the best but my spikers are shit " mentality. There other reason too. i'm not say it because i'm scared u not reading the manga and become spoiler to u.
Sorry for the broken English
" it's his problem'" well i mean no one was saying it was Kageyama's fault you know
Just a quick side note, I would love to see Sarah and Adam read the manga and also get to the [SPOILER] Brazil Arc! I think it would be interesting and seeing their reaction and thoughts of the time skip and the growth of the players :)
Oikawa is easily understood by those who have faced the same problems. Rivalry. When a 1-year-old genius is on your heels and tries to learn something from you, it really irritates you and I understand him perfectly when you try your best, but there are still those who will be one step ahead because he is just a genius. And that moment when he wanted to hit Kageyama is quite understandable. He was mentally unstable because of losing to Ushiwaka and the fact that it seemed to him that everyone would prefer the genius Kageyama to him, because he is not so talented. But Kageyama at his age was rude to his teammates, but his actions are always justified. Although the question is why? The fact that you can’t pass to the attackers with which they can beat him is his problem, isn’t it? So why did he blame his teammates for everything, supposedly they play badly. The same with Oikawa, all his actions are understandable, but for some reason people are always biased towards him.
And yes, he said "srry" to Kageyama after the incident. Wtf guys.....you're not objective.
is anybody gonna tell them about the movie which is coming up?
I really lost faith in people who favors others feelings, anxiousness or mental problems but invalidating the other feelings?? Just because you don't understand it means you are right. Fyi, that's immaturity and selfishness too and sometimes what you say to other reflect what kind of person you are. People probably thinks they are better because they could overcome those insecurities easily or they don't experience it at all. That insinuates a superiority complex.
But since Sarah said it calmly, I still have a little bit o faith she'd overcome the hate and biasness clouding her mind about Oikawa. XD
the movie is coming soon, sarah u gonna watch alone?🤔 you know which one Im talking abt
I know this would be a hard video to make with copyrights and all, but now that you've dabbed into a bit of anime I want to know which Japanese songs, if any, that you've grown to like or made it onto your playlists. Maybe not a video, but perhaps a post of your top 5 favorite Japanese songs would be cool to know.
Suga is their mom and Daichi is their dad
Lol, Sarah still getting confused about when they go to 15/25 points... Every last set...
Idk but adam kinda looks like tsukkishima or at least givibg tsukkishima vibes
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Thankfully Kageyama was too ignorant to understand that situation back in middle school. High School Kageyama might have certainly had a reaction to that outburst from Oikawa.
hmm, I wonder though.
Both Oikawa and kageyama having a bad experience in their middle school means that their coach was in the wrong, no?
Why is it all your comments are from 1 day ago😮 and the video was just uploaded 1hr ago😮
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@@B1GG1N ouh i see, how can i can join the membership? I couldnt find anywhr to join
@@hirako9326 There should be a button that says "JOIN" under the video next to the channel name.
@@B1GG1Nprobably i need to update the app i dont see any buttons😢😢 thanks for ur help!!
ugh i dont like ur take with "thats ur insecurity thats ur problem" what if its from karasuno player? definitely u would defend him right, sarah? but because its oikawa u wont acknowledge him. insecurity is a common thing in this side of world, to not understand him its a dick move imo. we saw ennoshita get insecure too but later u cheer him up, so if its oikawa u despise him no matter what huh
To all Oikawa defenders in comments. I'd like to take a few words out of Tsukishima's mouth and tell you what people are able thinking for themselves i.e. make their own opinions about characters in a show. You all pushing them in certain 'right' direction feels exactly like for Tsukishima to get sets Kageyama think is the best, not giving anyone options to have their own thoughts.
No no no in best of three the sets all go to 25 not 15 nooooo
Well, a veeeery good chapter. I think that you, and we, were so happy and proud with Kageyama`s evolution (A mean, we`re all like Suga when he seems him talk with Tsukushima, A bunch of proud mamas and papas) and the volleyball action, that I missed more comments about the history about Oikawa and Kageyama.
And no, a don`t want a marital discussion, is just that, to me, this is the really important episode about Oikawa and... I have to comment.
So, without much order:
-As a psychologist, I find myself thinking... Maybe the Oikawa punching friend whose name I don`t remember is "helping" in his friends confidence issues. He is verbal and phisical abusing, and that can`t be good. I know is a common theme in animé, hitting like a "comic" think, but, you know, if you goes to psychological depts, you can consider this too.
-And Adam finally saw the complete hardworking person that is Oikawa, and the profound passion he has to FINALLY win to... Shiratorizawa? And that really, is not Kageyama his problem, his problem is that he could`nt win to this team, this person, and Kageyama is "another" genius that came in the way. To him, Kageyama isn`t a kohai (person with less experience that you that, in theory, you have to guide), is the enemy.
-So, with the goal to have the six more powerfull persons in the court, he evolves in a very emotionally inteligent person to win... So, to me, this make his relationship with his team no very... pure? I think. If you see that to him his best friend is a person that abuse him, I think Oikawa not have a good example.
-And talking about good examples... SUGA just came and make us see what a excellent senpai (the person with experience that have to guide) in the same predicament with Kageyama, could do.
And for that, I`m with Sarah. I can understand Oikawa, like a person that need to work in himself and right now is not a very good person.
I dòn`t hate him like her used to do (I think Sarah hate is not as enormous than before), but I don`t like him at all.
An for that, I need a fanfiction about a sport psychologist take Oikawa case.
And sorry for the looooong comment.
Until next week!
Gotta disagree with the commenters here saying that Oikawa is blameless for his mental breakdown and subsequent treatment of Kageyama. Sure, the coach could've done A LOT more to meditate the conflict between Kageyama and Oikawa, but Oikawa navigated that situation just about as poorly as he could have. Even after Oikawa is "over it" and learns the true value of teammates, he still is incredibly shitty to Kageyama, which is not really justifiable imo.
a hundred percent! (read that in adam's voice lol)
Who said Oikawa was blameless? All people tried to say is just Oikawa gets to much hate when he ALMOST hit Kageyama because he was traumatized. But yet Iwa kicked and head banged Oikawa/Kageyama verbally abused teammates for years and attacking Hinata are totally fine because whatever reason they had or had change for those who hate Oikawa. Tell me this is fair.
@@chamomilechien3210 basically every single comment on this video is defending Oikawa, so I don't get why you have the impression that he is unfairly hated. He is widely beloved among Haikyuu fans as one of the most relatable, human characters.
My point is that humans are flawed, and his actions and behavior towards Kageyama are not really defensible in any way. I would say the same thing about how Kageyama yelled at his middle school teammates. Iwaizumi hitting Oikawa is not great either tbh. So no, I don't think I'm being unfair by judging Oikawa for his words and actions.
@@t3cchan Because most of the haikyu fans knows how every character has there struggles and will eventually grow up so they won’t judge a character just by one cut. But for those reacters who may never get the chance to experience what happened in the future of haikyu story if they don’t read the mangas, they may never understand why Haruichi Furudate put so much effort to complete every character’s backstory.
And yes you are being unfair cause I’m pretty sure you didn’t compared Kageyama/Iwa to serial killer when these scenes comes out and ask why reacters didn’t against them using violence. You and that kaaru can hate or judge Oikawa for what he did, since it will be too much to ask for you two to understand why fans can love Kageyama and Oikawa and every character at the same time. You two and Sarah just have to bear with him cause he won’t fade out of haikyu’s story anyway.
@@chamomilechien3210 Where did I compare Oikawa to a serial killer? lol. I think you are confusing me with someone else.
You are really overreacting to something that isn't a big deal. Oikawa was a PoS to Kageyama in middle school. Now that he's in high school, he's mostly grown out of it. Similarly, Kageyama was a PoS to his teammates in middle school. Now, he is slowly but surely growing out of it. Acknowledging that Oikawa was terrible to Kageyama doesn't mean I hate Oikawa as a character. It's okay to recognize that Oikawa is flawed, and unfairly lashed out at Kageyama. That's really all there is to it.
why is the Oikawa defence force in full swing?
Kageyama's isolation at junior high might have been started from Oikawa's attitude. Seems that baby Kageyama was just an innocent boy who loved playing volleyball but the team captain did not behave kind to him, and Kageyama did not have anyone like Iwaizumi for Oikawa. Kageyama is a bit different from normal kid since all he wants is playing volleyball appropriately, and that made deeper split from his teammates. I like Oikawa’s childish part as well as Kageyama’s insensitiveness since they are both based from eagerness for volleyball.
Anyway, it is very lucky for Kageyama to become a member of Karasuno. Senpais there are just eager to go to nationals and they don’t judge anything except he goes against the spirit of teamwork.
Last but not least, Adam’s back head today looks cute like a crow's tail😊
Heyy Sarah and Adam, i would like to give you a recommendation to react The First Slam Dunk Movie by Takehiko Inoue. It's one of the best sports manga and anime of all time. This show is on same level with Haikyuu and maybe arguably better than Haikyuu. In fact, the author of Haikyuu was inspired by Takehiko Inoue (Slam Dunk Writer's). The animation is on another level, It's very good at giving the impression of real basketball movements. More importantly, I want to know from athlete perspective about The First Slam Dunk Movie. I hope you read this and make my wish come true 🙏🤞. Thank You