Hey everyone! Important notes: This TV is currently over-brightening content and TCL is not only aware, but working on a fix. If you look at the Calman charts, the color temp in greyscale is fine, and the colors hit their coordinate targets fine, but the issues are in the luminance, where they are brighter than the target. Thanks to a tip from Classy, I was able to confirm the TV does not do this in Game mode. Furthermore, turning off local dimming corrects all luminance errors. I have the fix for the luminance shift bug I showed in hand, and will be reporting the fixes once completed. The good news in all of this is that the hardware is fully capable of accuracy, the new AIPQ processor used here just needs to be updated to target accuracy if that’s what TCL wants. That the Tv simply overbrightens beyond spec is not the worst thing in the world, as it just comes off more vivid, but without white balance or colors looking off. Still, for $20K, it needs to have one accurate mode outside of Game mode, and that’s what I hope to see.
My 98" QM8 calibration is what Classy is referencing here! Classy is an AMAZING calibrator! The EOTF was wonky everywhere except Game mode and there are some other crazy bugs currently but WOW does she get bright (5500 nits for the 98") and black levels are amazing! I'm running a 2.6 gamma and 48 black level to eliminate wash out which creates some crush but I like the almost-OLED blacks in that trade-off! Thanks Caleb and Classy!
@@evilbeaver1353 Not naked, just topless. That’s the Herbie Man Push! Push! record, considered a groundbreaking moment for jazz flute in its time. While it’s fair to question the taste in album art from the period, there’s no denying the music it represents is historic.
@@GamezGuru1 Watch again. He says its a Sony A95L. Checking online, these come in 55" and 65". For some reason 77" is listed with a price but there is "No such model"..
I built my dedicated room around the LG 97 G2 and have been absolutely loving it. If this was released at the same time I would have seriously considered it though. What a time to be alive!
@@notsorandumusername it’s absolutely fantastic. I love seeing all these new big tvs. I went from: 120” front projection setup -> 77” OLED -> 83” OLED -> 97” OLED. I think I’ll just hold out for microled to come down in price… or wait for a 115” oled 😂
Im an electrical enginieer and can help you with the heat question: It's totally easy for any TV, or any electrical device for that matter. Near ANY electrical power you put into it from your wall outlet ends up as heat in your room (minus the light energy that goes out the windows, but that's not much). So you can just buy a cheap energy-messuring socket and take that value (W for the power (energy-stream) or kWh for the total amount of engery for the entire movie (if you reset that value to 0 before staring it).
@@Spealer exactly my point, the 65" 4K TV on its own is quite big when you're watching from a distance of 5-6 ft, so I don't know what you're trying to prove here.
When I saw TCL 115 in the description for your video I got excited. I have two TCL 75 inch tv's that are about 3 years old and thought. Well, it's 40 inches bigger so maybe it will be around the $3000 mark as my 75 inch tv's were incredibly well priced. That was a HUGE whoops for me lol. Looks great though.
Size = cinematic immersion. Always choose size over everything else. I had quite a size journey myself: for years used projectors and had wonderful 100", then got jealous of TV features and moved to a 77" OLED, and then realized how much I missed the big size, so now I'm at 83" OLED but still feel deprived of a few inches. :)
@@marklabonte2925 Glad you provide your wife with cinematic immersion! I recommend a real-life relationship, too, even if out-of-the-box color accuracy suffers. :p
I'm still using a 92 inch DLP because I didn't want to go down in size. I figure they'll either come out with 98 inch OLED for less than a new car or micro-led eventually.
In Europe it's €24K for the big one and €7K for the small one. The 85 inch Sony Bravia 9 is €5K in Europe. All of these prices include tax though Anyhow, I can only conclude that pricing across regions is just weird. For some stuff it's significantly cheaper in Europe while other stuff is significantly more expensive.
That's ridiculous the real price for that size should be 6.000€ or $... There's no big difference between 98 and 115, 20.000€ or $ should be a 400" tv size normaly
@@barakus7069 There actually is a pretty big difference in manufacturing cost. Making sure a 115 inch panel fits the same standard as a 98 inch one is costly and will likely result in far more panels being thrown away due to not meeting the standard. It'll be another year or 2 before the process is streamline enough to make a TV that size affordable. Just look at OLED. The 80+ inch ones used to be almost impossible to make. And just recently they've started to become very slightly affordable, but the 80+ inch versions of OLEDs are still like $2000-$3000 more expensive than the 77 inch versions of that same TV.
On the topic of how much heat it puts out, the objective metric would be to talk about how much power this TV consumes while watching content, and compare that to the power of a smaller TV. Power consumed is mostly converted to heat, and some is converted to light and sound.
The light is just photons, not so different from an infrared heater, so they're ultimately going to heat up the room too. (Well, unless you put the TV by a window facing out, heh.)
But why do that when we can instead compare to cooking spaghetti? 😄It's actually kind of a fun comparison given the burst output of heat and humidity from a pot of spaghetti vs the 90 minutes of lesser wattage from a movie on a TV. I think the TV would typically draw more total power, but the spaghetti would be more likely to kick on the A/C.
@@random_nthis is why I love air fryers living in a small apartment, I don’t need to heat up the whole room on a summer day cooking dinner for myself with the oven.
"Cinematic motion looks great without the aid of motion smoothing." Doubt, unless there's some kind of strobing or the pixel response time is slow. Motion issues on modern TVs are chronically glossed over by reviewers. Size makes stutter more perceptible, "stutter" meaning the appearance that an object in motion on the screen is jumping back and forth instead of moving smoothly, because as your eyes track the object they naturally get ahead of it while the previous frame is still being displayed. If an object moves 1" per frame on a 55" inch screen, it's moving 2"+ on this screen, so the stutter must be very noticeable unless there's a lot of motion blur due to slow pixel response time or you're sitting far away.
I sit 8.5ft from a 120" acoustically transparent screen and use a JVC NZ7. Immersion and picture are great but quality still doesn't compare to a good flat panel. Would love to have a screen like this. There are 2 major issues I see. One is logistics - many home theaters are in the basement as is mine. No way it would fit down the stairs. The other is audio. The ideal audio setup for a dedicated home theater especially with multiple rows is identical LCR speakers behind an acoustically transparent screen which obviously is not possible with a flat screen. So these issues need to worked out before moving away from projectors.
Absolutely. Any of the really large TV sizes would benefit from “descaling” mode that could display content in its native resolution in the center of the screen. For 1080 content for example, this 115 inch TV could display it in a 57.5 inch window that would make compression artifacts much less visible at shorter viewing distances.
I remember in 2013 I bought a 55 inch tv for my apartment and thought how massive it was. Boy was I mistaken. 70 inch TVs today are the old 55 inch TVs.
Regarding hitting studs for the tv mount. If you are building a room or finishing a basement, always eput blocking in anywhere you might hang a disply. Then there is no question you will have a rigid support as needed.
my question pertains to watching live sport broadcasts - i don't generally watch sports on my Epson LS12000 because projectors don't handle it as well as a panel can.... But with your, much appreciated and thoughtful, commentary about "lessor quality content" - it makes me wonder how live sports that are 1080i or 720p from the networks going to look on a 115" OLED panel.
there's no technology today, that can upscale low bit rate low resolution content to look like a good 1080p, let alone 4K or 8K. It'd look even crappier if they tried to over process something. p.s. There'll never be a technology that could convert a 240p, 480p or 720p content to a 4K like original quality. Forget it. I can easily see impurities and loss of depth in picture when a 1080p content is upscaled to 4K.
@@Sas-wk9ljHe's not talking about upscaling. He's talking about the fact that a TV with that screen size should/would benefit from 8K. $20,000 for 4K at that size makes little to no sense.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M What's the point of having 8k TV when 70% content out there is HD, 25% FHD, 4.9% UHD and 0.1% 8K and beyond? Thanks for your TV mentoring, but no thanks.
Size does matter. All "traditional" seating distances from tiny 65" TV's is dated. 100"+ is the new king. Also it definitely demands higher quality media (4k bluray, 4k streaming with high bitrate). Will be excited to replace my 4k laser projector with one of these once the price comes down!
Question: how do you balance your media cabinet against thin, wall mounted TVs like the LG G series? I am going to wall mount a G3 77", but I feel like I am losing the value of the TV's thin, picture frame profile by putting a 15" or deeper media cabinet underneath. Wouldn't a TV centered on the deep media be more esthetically pleasing than a TV behind a deep cabinet? My 7.2.2 setup will have 2 subwoofers, 2 tower speakers and a center channel on the TV wall, with need for a media cabinet/shelf to hold a receiver, xbox, blu-ray player, the center channel. How can have the benefits of the flush TV, and avoid having a media cabinet sticking 15-20" out in front of it?
Even in the video, the brightness differences between the ambient/background and the TV seems to be pretty significant! It is too bad the QM series is exclusive to the U.S and Canada. Everywhere else like Europe and Asia Pacific gets the C series instead. Wished both Hisense and TCL could at least streamline their products and offer identical products globally, sadly it isn't happening.
the 115 incher TCL Linus imported from China only costed him $11k as stated in his video, while this 115 incher QM8 msrp at $20k in the US. different models? I'd like to know the tech differences that warrant such a huge price gap.
Does this TV have an atsc 3.0 tuner? What does OTA broadcast tv look like on this TV? Does sports from antenna look good? Does streamed sports look good?
I just went from a VA monitor to an OLED monitor and thought it would fix the pixelation in dark scenes when I streamed content. I learned it's not the monitor but the poor quality bit rate of the content. Oh well, it's still a huge upgrade but was disappointed about that.
Monitors don’t do any picture processing. Play that same content on a tv especially one with great processing like a newer Sony OLED with XRClear and a lot of it will be cleaned up
@@epap1375 yes, I came to that conclusion. It's too bad monitors don't have picture processing. I am still trying to figure out why monitors are just as expensive or more expensive relative to size as tv's when they don't have speakers (most of the time) and they don't have picture processing
I recently upgraded my mancave TV from 65 to 75", a TCL c845k. Games look very immersive with awesome HDR, and just the right size for the room leaving approx 3 feet either side of the set. I game in a dark room so it's ideal for me. Was lucky with no visible DSE and no dead pixels.
Hi Caleb When you do the follow up how about going a bit more in detail about the different picture modes, best setup and tips about applying settings to all inputs. It drives me crazy that doing a change in Dolby Vision sometimes makes changes to other modes as well. But love the TV
No way, man, those massive subwoofers are totally sending most of that electricity out into the neighborhood in the form of HARDCORE BASS. 🔊🔊🔊 (In fact, I was just about to write a version of your comment.)
What are the scaling options when you have bad content? I mean if you would just scale it down eg 50%, you might have a lot of black bars but quality wise you would be at 55” screen. Can the tv do this? What about a media player or some hdmi device?
I know allot of mfg. Are moving away from 8K, but do you feel at this size the extra resolution even if content is upscaled would benefit the overall PQ?
Hi Caleb, it seems to me that a far better comparison of this TV would be to compare it to a top spec Laser projector. Cost, brightness etc. I've never really experienced one of the latest types of projectors but think it would be a really interesting comparison.
Caleb, a simple and effective way to answer the question of how much hotter it could make a room just give us an average power consumption reading. Most of the power consumed on electronics radiates off as heat in the end. Also, average power consumption (as well as peaks & lows) for optimal viewing (not the eco bs they say it can do) would be a good stat to include in future reviews.
Question. I have denon AVR-S730H, capable of 7.2 or 5.2.2 surround sound, which is the best setup? I would think 5.2.2 for the atmos content on streaming and 4k discs, but I also have a lot of blu-rays that have 5.1 or 7.1 and obviously no atmos. Bonus question: if I have all the surround and ceiling speakers in place, is there a way to quickly switch between the 5.2.2 and 7.2 without needing to rebalance the sound of the system?
Yes, with modern AVRs you can have 4-5 different channel configurations/ setup saved and you can easily switch between them any time by getting into the AVR's settings.
Hey I’d love to know how this stacks up against something like the Apple Vision Pro with its theoretical same size screen. Is the AVP STILL more immersive? Also with Apple’s display being OLED and this being Micro-LED, I think this’d even be a super interesting comparison
TCL had this EXACT SAME issue when their 85 inch QM8 came out in 2023. My brother got two sets and both had the same fluctuating brightness issue in both DV and HDR SETTINGS. TCL eventually fixed it with a FW update but it took a few months to roll it out
Hey Caleb, you mention the 'optional' legs. Do you know where / how to get the larger legs? I can find them anywhere online and even reached out to TCL but only get a basic customer support rep that doesn't know anything about them.
I'm in the group of people who just can’t cough up 20 grand for a TV. But I am getting my QM851 98" next week, I hope the calibration out of the box is good as everyone says.
So, any feel for how much more immersive this is than a 98-100” TV? Thinking specifically about the Hisense U8K 100”, which is rediculously cheap by comparison.
I'm considering this TV at 115" but I currently have one of the same BDI TV stands you have in the showroom. If I were to use the included stand rather than wall mounting it, do you have a suggested TV stand that can go underneath it in order for me to place streaming devices, AVR and a large center channel speaker. The BDI stand would be too high, and the speaker would end up behind the TV. I could consider wall mounting as well but just trying to look at all possibilities.
So is the center of the picture at couch sitting height on those legs? It look like it is a foot or so too low in the video but it is hard to tell these things if you're not in person. I'm not a potential customer of a TV this expensive but I like to think about how I'd make it work in the spaces we have.
I love your channel but I'm in the UK and the part numbers you talk about don't match up or aren't sold here. Can you recommend a channel or expert over here that reviews uk tvs ? Thanks
I'm very happy with my 85" QN900 for the foreseeable future, but things like this make me really excited for when I upgrade down the road. I'm fairly set that my next upgrade will be when Micro LED modular wall systems are down to the consumer level. But large panels like this are awesome to see and love that they push technology ahead. I'm fairly loyal to samsung so hopefully they get the message and get a sub10K 100+" TV in either single panel or modular system in the next 3~5 years. Wish they would leave out the tuner and speakers to bring the price down, who buys this and doesn't pair it with a sound system of equal caliber.
Got to see this unit yesterday here in Dallas, and I must say as an A/V integrator I wasn’t impressed with the overall picture quality. Lots of saturation and bleed of colors and it was on a 4K source. Hopefully a firmware update comes out soon to address the issue.
What would have been really helpful if he compared this with Sony X90L 98" TV or even TCL 98" TV and gave us his honest opinion which TV he was more drawn into most of the time when watching same content from same distance.
If this size gets down to the $5-7K price range, I may buy it. I saw the 100 Inch Hisense QM8 on sale for $3k at BestBuy this weekend. Its what I would go for if I bought today, but I have an 85 inch Sony from a couple years ago. I'm trying to get near 120 inch to match what I used to put in Media Room with projector years ago.
Well i thonk up to 120" for good 4k content is the sweet spot. 60" to 65" tv at 1080p was great for blurays, even close so uoure just doubling the size whilst quadrupling the resolution so everything should be fine if the content is there. Now over 120" amd close(like 10ft+/-.. Thats different...then I'd go for an 8k tv
Caleb I disagree with you trying to compare TCL bad processing of low quality content to Sony. Have you seen the bravia 9 processing of low quality content its a night and day difference in quality compared to TCL. I can assure you if it was a Sony processor in that 115 inch the low quality content would look way better.
Not sure, but it seems the Chinese mainland version of this TV(X11G Max) MSRP price is 79999RMB(11000USD) post tax, some sales channels could retails this slightly less than 9000 USD
I spent 3K on the LG C2 '23 MODEL 77" OLED & LOVE IT•••••CANNOT WAIT TI PURCHASE THIS ONE CHRISTMAS TIME OR AT LATEST••••> SUPER BOWL TIME....NEXT YEAR. JUST CANT SEE PAYING LESS FOR THE LARGE SCREEN FADED PICTURE OF THE PROJECTOR.....COMPARED TO THE TCL 115'' BAD BOY••••••> JUST GOTTA HAVE IT. THANKS AS ALWAYS CALEB FOR THE THOUROUGH REVIEW. SOLD ME ON IT!!!
I could tell just how large it was with it dwarfs the tower speakers, but when you put the "little" 65" TV in front of it my jaw hit the floor! My own TV is a 65" OLED
Caleb, the size of this screen puts it squarely in projector territory. I’d love to see a comparison between this TCL and a high-end Sony or similar projector. Projector fans talk about its cinematic quality. What do you think?
Seems like a really nice TV, although I gotta admit, at that hefty price tag I really feel like the TV should just outright come with the standup legs for no extra charge honestly.
Hey everyone! Important notes: This TV is currently over-brightening content and TCL is not only aware, but working on a fix. If you look at the Calman charts, the color temp in greyscale is fine, and the colors hit their coordinate targets fine, but the issues are in the luminance, where they are brighter than the target. Thanks to a tip from Classy, I was able to confirm the TV does not do this in Game mode. Furthermore, turning off local dimming corrects all luminance errors. I have the fix for the luminance shift bug I showed in hand, and will be reporting the fixes once completed. The good news in all of this is that the hardware is fully capable of accuracy, the new AIPQ processor used here just needs to be updated to target accuracy if that’s what TCL wants. That the Tv simply overbrightens beyond spec is not the worst thing in the world, as it just comes off more vivid, but without white balance or colors looking off. Still, for $20K, it needs to have one accurate mode outside of Game mode, and that’s what I hope to see.
My 98" QM8 calibration is what Classy is referencing here! Classy is an AMAZING calibrator! The EOTF was wonky everywhere except Game mode and there are some other crazy bugs currently but WOW does she get bright (5500 nits for the 98") and black levels are amazing! I'm running a 2.6 gamma and 48 black level to eliminate wash out which creates some crush but I like the almost-OLED blacks in that trade-off! Thanks Caleb and Classy!
lol, first liability talk and now this....sounds like it wasn't a great experience after all 😉
@@evilbeaver1353 Not naked, just topless. That’s the Herbie Man Push! Push! record, considered a groundbreaking moment for jazz flute in its time. While it’s fair to question the taste in album art from the period, there’s no denying the music it represents is historic.
@@JasonWildcats was super happy to hear Classy’s account of your TV’s calibration!
@@evilbeaver1353 "what I'm concerned about is why you have a picture of a naked guy on your shelf" says a lot more about Evilbeaver than Caleb.
THANK YOU!! Putting that 65” tv in front really shows the scale of this tv. AMAZING!!!
It was a 55
It also shows how big those tower speakers are. They are not dwarfed by the TV.
@@GamezGuru1 Watch again. He says its a Sony A95L.
Checking online, these come in 55" and 65". For some reason 77" is listed with a price but there is "No such model"..
I built my dedicated room around the LG 97 G2 and have been absolutely loving it. If this was released at the same time I would have seriously considered it though. What a time to be alive!
That's a tv that was never talked about enough. A 97" OLED!
@@notsorandumusername it’s absolutely fantastic. I love seeing all these new big tvs.
I went from: 120” front projection setup -> 77” OLED -> 83” OLED -> 97” OLED. I think I’ll just hold out for microled to come down in price… or wait for a 115” oled 😂
Im an electrical enginieer and can help you with the heat question: It's totally easy for any TV, or any electrical device for that matter. Near ANY electrical power you put into it from your wall outlet ends up as heat in your room (minus the light energy that goes out the windows, but that's not much). So you can just buy a cheap energy-messuring socket and take that value (W for the power (energy-stream) or kWh for the total amount of engery for the entire movie (if you reset that value to 0 before staring it).
I'm just some guy and am amazed the reviewer did not know this lol
10:12 You really made that 65 Inch TV look like a 27 inch monitor lol
dude, comparison sucks. A 200" TV in near future will make this 115" like a 65" TV. Enjoy the content not size.
It was shocking the difference. Really get an idea of the scale.
same at 14:16 lol
@@Sas-wk9lj ? I mean yes, if you compare the earth to the sun, the earth is small, but it’s actually still big
@@Spealer exactly my point, the 65" 4K TV on its own is quite big when you're watching from a distance of 5-6 ft, so I don't know what you're trying to prove here.
The liability issues you pointed out (limitations of low res content on such a huge display) was such a valuable insight! Very much appreciated sir
That’s exactly how good my R635 from 2020 (TCL) has been. Thanks to you because I bought it because of you.
Thanks for a thoughtful, honest, yet enthusiastic review!
When I saw TCL 115 in the description for your video I got excited. I have two TCL 75 inch tv's that are about 3 years old and thought. Well, it's 40 inches bigger so maybe it will be around the $3000 mark as my 75 inch tv's were incredibly well priced. That was a HUGE whoops for me lol. Looks great though.
Size = cinematic immersion. Always choose size over everything else. I had quite a size journey myself: for years used projectors and had wonderful 100", then got jealous of TV features and moved to a 77" OLED, and then realized how much I missed the big size, so now I'm at 83" OLED but still feel deprived of a few inches. :)
My wife says the same thing to me
@@marklabonte2925 Glad you provide your wife with cinematic immersion! I recommend a real-life relationship, too, even if out-of-the-box color accuracy suffers. :p
cinematic immersion is due to the quality of the content, not the size. You saw Seinfeld clip, what immersion did you see there?
@@Sas-wk9ljIt's not just one over the other.
You wouldn't understand if you've never been to a 1570 IMAX theater.
I'm still using a 92 inch DLP because I didn't want to go down in size. I figure they'll either come out with 98 inch OLED for less than a new car or micro-led eventually.
The 115" QM8 is $20,000 - the 98" QM8 is $5,000 ...
In Europe it's €24K for the big one and €7K for the small one. The 85 inch Sony Bravia 9 is €5K in Europe. All of these prices include tax though
Anyhow, I can only conclude that pricing across regions is just weird. For some stuff it's significantly cheaper in Europe while other stuff is significantly more expensive.
Buy 4 98"s
That's ridiculous the real price for that size should be 6.000€ or $... There's no big difference between 98 and 115, 20.000€ or $ should be a 400" tv size normaly
Same say 17" is pretty .., big....
@@barakus7069 There actually is a pretty big difference in manufacturing cost. Making sure a 115 inch panel fits the same standard as a 98 inch one is costly and will likely result in far more panels being thrown away due to not meeting the standard. It'll be another year or 2 before the process is streamline enough to make a TV that size affordable.
Just look at OLED. The 80+ inch ones used to be almost impossible to make. And just recently they've started to become very slightly affordable, but the 80+ inch versions of OLEDs are still like $2000-$3000 more expensive than the 77 inch versions of that same TV.
On the topic of how much heat it puts out, the objective metric would be to talk about how much power this TV consumes while watching content, and compare that to the power of a smaller TV. Power consumed is mostly converted to heat, and some is converted to light and sound.
It pulls about 800 watts according to what Linus looked at when he opened last year's chinese model.
The light is just photons, not so different from an infrared heater, so they're ultimately going to heat up the room too. (Well, unless you put the TV by a window facing out, heh.)
But why do that when we can instead compare to cooking spaghetti? 😄It's actually kind of a fun comparison given the burst output of heat and humidity from a pot of spaghetti vs the 90 minutes of lesser wattage from a movie on a TV. I think the TV would typically draw more total power, but the spaghetti would be more likely to kick on the A/C.
@@random_nthis is why I love air fryers living in a small apartment, I don’t need to heat up the whole room on a summer day cooking dinner for myself with the oven.
I’d be curious to know how much power it draws from the wall
I wish they would just leave the speakers out and knock a couple grand off the price. Most people use an AVR and much better speakers anywways.
Those itty bitty speakers/sub won’t be a couple of grand off. If it was it’s still $25k+ for a tv that will make streaming content look worse
And the legs
@@DS-wb2we The legs are extra/separate. They did leave them out.
I sell TVs on a daily basis and I watch your videos regularly. Thank you for making your videos and educating me so I can educate others
"Cinematic motion looks great without the aid of motion smoothing." Doubt, unless there's some kind of strobing or the pixel response time is slow. Motion issues on modern TVs are chronically glossed over by reviewers. Size makes stutter more perceptible, "stutter" meaning the appearance that an object in motion on the screen is jumping back and forth instead of moving smoothly, because as your eyes track the object they naturally get ahead of it while the previous frame is still being displayed. If an object moves 1" per frame on a 55" inch screen, it's moving 2"+ on this screen, so the stutter must be very noticeable unless there's a lot of motion blur due to slow pixel response time or you're sitting far away.
I sit 8.5ft from a 120" acoustically transparent screen and use a JVC NZ7. Immersion and picture are great but quality still doesn't compare to a good flat panel. Would love to have a screen like this. There are 2 major issues I see. One is logistics - many home theaters are in the basement as is mine. No way it would fit down the stairs. The other is audio. The ideal audio setup for a dedicated home theater especially with multiple rows is identical LCR speakers behind an acoustically transparent screen which obviously is not possible with a flat screen. So these issues need to worked out before moving away from projectors.
Would be there interested in how this TCL 115" compared to Hisence 110"?
I think for crappy or old content, you should be able to scale the image down to 1080p's worth of pixels, and have a MASIVE black border.
Absolutely. Any of the really large TV sizes would benefit from “descaling” mode that could display content in its native resolution in the center of the screen. For 1080 content for example, this 115 inch TV could display it in a 57.5 inch window that would make compression artifacts much less visible at shorter viewing distances.
I remember in 2013 I bought a 55 inch tv for my apartment and thought how massive it was. Boy was I mistaken. 70 inch TVs today are the old 55 inch TVs.
As the owner of a 2023 85” QM8 I can barely comprehend how big this TV is. I hope to own one , one day.
Regarding hitting studs for the tv mount.
If you are building a room or finishing a basement, always eput blocking in anywhere you might hang a disply. Then there is no question you will have a rigid support as needed.
my question pertains to watching live sport broadcasts - i don't generally watch sports on my Epson LS12000 because projectors don't handle it as well as a panel can.... But with your, much appreciated and thoughtful, commentary about "lessor quality content" - it makes me wonder how live sports that are 1080i or 720p from the networks going to look on a 115" OLED panel.
Wouldn’t a tv that size benefit from an 8k resolution? I feel like paying 20 grand for a 4k tv is just not good move.
there's no technology today, that can upscale low bit rate low resolution content to look like a good 1080p, let alone 4K or 8K. It'd look even crappier if they tried to over process something.
p.s. There'll never be a technology that could convert a 240p, 480p or 720p content to a 4K like original quality. Forget it. I can easily see impurities and loss of depth in picture when a 1080p content is upscaled to 4K.
@@Sas-wk9ljHe's not talking about upscaling.
He's talking about the fact that a TV with that screen size should/would benefit from 8K.
$20,000 for 4K at that size makes little to no sense.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M What's the point of having 8k TV when 70% content out there is HD, 25% FHD, 4.9% UHD and 0.1% 8K and beyond? Thanks for your TV mentoring, but no thanks.
@@Sas-wk9ljBecause the bigger you go the more the tv looks softer and feels less sharp. 8K makes a difference!
@@Sas-wk9ljdon’t watch low quality content? Plenty of new media.
Size does matter. All "traditional" seating distances from tiny 65" TV's is dated. 100"+ is the new king. Also it definitely demands higher quality media (4k bluray, 4k streaming with high bitrate). Will be excited to replace my 4k laser projector with one of these once the price comes down!
The purchase link for Best Buy is wrong
Depending on its price, the Hisense 110” UX I think that’d be the better option at least on paper 🤔 5” smaller but 2x the dimming zones
The rumored 800 watts would be about 7 amps. About the same amount of power as an 8000 but air conditioner on medium. Its a pretty good draw.
My concern is, how do you repair this TV if it malfunctions. Are there still repairmen who do housecalls ?
A very important detail to me is viewing angle which can be an issue that’s magnified with size. How does off axis viewing look?
You'd need to have it in a ballroom to get very many degrees off axis from this behemoth!
@@RickinICT just a wide couch for most tn lcd
Would love to see a content comparison using a Nvidia shield pro. Curious to see how much their upscaling can help when an image is this large.
Question: how do you balance your media cabinet against thin, wall mounted TVs like the LG G series? I am going to wall mount a G3 77", but I feel like I am losing the value of the TV's thin, picture frame profile by putting a 15" or deeper media cabinet underneath. Wouldn't a TV centered on the deep media be more esthetically pleasing than a TV behind a deep cabinet?
My 7.2.2 setup will have 2 subwoofers, 2 tower speakers and a center channel on the TV wall, with need for a media cabinet/shelf to hold a receiver, xbox, blu-ray player, the center channel. How can have the benefits of the flush TV, and avoid having a media cabinet sticking 15-20" out in front of it?
"...laying down your credit card." More like calling your bank to wire the money over! 😂
Depends on the card, maybe for him it’s not out of the realm of normal 😂
If you have to pay interest for a $20k TV, you can't afford it.😅
Linus' 115 TCL Chinese version got the same problem and his videos is like 6+ months old, not sure whether TCL will ever fix it.
Even in the video, the brightness differences between the ambient/background and the TV seems to be pretty significant! It is too bad the QM series is exclusive to the U.S and Canada. Everywhere else like Europe and Asia Pacific gets the C series instead. Wished both Hisense and TCL could at least streamline their products and offer identical products globally, sadly it isn't happening.
In Europe it’s called x955
the 115 incher TCL Linus imported from China only costed him $11k as stated in his video, while this 115 incher QM8 msrp at $20k in the US. different models? I'd like to know the tech differences that warrant such a huge price gap.
@@dannydoyle8731 the one Linus ordered has spec similar to 98” qm8 5k zones only. There is another one available only in China with 10k nits 20k zones
would be cool to see a comparison video of all 98" inch tv's to see which one wins.
Does this TV have an atsc 3.0 tuner? What does OTA broadcast tv look like on this TV? Does sports from antenna look good? Does streamed sports look good?
where can we purchase the optional legs? I don't see any reference on the TCL site.
😮 you only want to purchase the optional legs and not the tv, what a joke, good one 🤣
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I just went from a VA monitor to an OLED monitor and thought it would fix the pixelation in dark scenes when I streamed content. I learned it's not the monitor but the poor quality bit rate of the content. Oh well, it's still a huge upgrade but was disappointed about that.
Monitors don’t do any picture processing. Play that same content on a tv especially one with great processing like a newer Sony OLED with XRClear and a lot of it will be cleaned up
@@epap1375 yes, I came to that conclusion. It's too bad monitors don't have picture processing. I am still trying to figure out why monitors are just as expensive or more expensive relative to size as tv's when they don't have speakers (most of the time) and they don't have picture processing
I recently upgraded my mancave TV from 65 to 75", a TCL c845k. Games look very immersive with awesome HDR, and just the right size for the room leaving approx 3 feet either side of the set. I game in a dark room so it's ideal for me. Was lucky with no visible DSE and no dead pixels.
Hi Caleb
When you do the follow up how about going a bit more in detail about the different picture modes, best setup and tips about applying settings to all inputs.
It drives me crazy that doing a change in Dolby Vision sometimes makes changes to other modes as well. But love the TV
Thank god it's $19,999 and not $20,000. I can buy 2 of them now.
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No need to use a heat measure, just put a kill-a-watt on it, How many Watts go in ? (that basically how much heat comes out)
No way, man, those massive subwoofers are totally sending most of that electricity out into the neighborhood in the form of HARDCORE BASS. 🔊🔊🔊
(In fact, I was just about to write a version of your comment.)
Is there some message in the Herbie Mann album Push Push on the shelf???
What are the scaling options when you have bad content? I mean if you would just scale it down eg 50%, you might have a lot of black bars but quality wise you would be at 55” screen.
Can the tv do this? What about a media player or some hdmi device?
Would a MadVR processor help this TV?
The hisense ux110 have double the diming zones at 40,000… would be amazing if you do a side by side
I know allot of mfg. Are moving away from 8K, but do you feel at this size the extra resolution even if content is upscaled would benefit the overall PQ?
Can we get a review of the "normal" sized 2024 QM8's?
Hi Caleb, it seems to me that a far better comparison of this TV would be to compare it to a top spec Laser projector. Cost, brightness etc. I've never really experienced one of the latest types of projectors but think it would be a really interesting comparison.
OK. So now it is out. How close is it the the EU and others TCL 85X955?
EU has 115” x955 for quite some time, ‘same’ price, €20 000. I didn’t consider it as i can’t see how i can return it for service if (when) needed
Caleb, a simple and effective way to answer the question of how much hotter it could make a room just give us an average power consumption reading. Most of the power consumed on electronics radiates off as heat in the end. Also, average power consumption (as well as peaks & lows) for optimal viewing (not the eco bs they say it can do) would be a good stat to include in future reviews.
Hearing you list off the acronyms and features at around the 5:30 mark for some reason reminded me of Ron Popeil - “but wait, there’s more”
@@fonkenful set it and forget it!
@@Caleb_Denison We actually had a Chop o matic in our kitchen growing up in the mid ‘60s, so yeah that ages me. Loved the hair spray paint.
Question. I have denon AVR-S730H, capable of 7.2 or 5.2.2 surround sound, which is the best setup? I would think 5.2.2 for the atmos content on streaming and 4k discs, but I also have a lot of blu-rays that have 5.1 or 7.1 and obviously no atmos.
Bonus question: if I have all the surround and ceiling speakers in place, is there a way to quickly switch between the 5.2.2 and 7.2 without needing to rebalance the sound of the system?
Yes, with modern AVRs you can have 4-5 different channel configurations/ setup saved and you can easily switch between them any time by getting into the AVR's settings.
what about blooming and off axis viewing?
My 85" Samsung QN90B has the same issue with brightening and dimming with closed caption. I guess I need to check for a software or firmware update.
Which would you recommend, this TV or the 97" wireless LG OLED? Both are similar price.
I wonder if there could be a windowed smaller pic mode for low rez content....just emulate a 65" or whatever in the middle of the screen
Hey I’d love to know how this stacks up against something like the Apple Vision Pro with its theoretical same size screen. Is the AVP STILL more immersive? Also with Apple’s display being OLED and this being Micro-LED, I think this’d even be a super interesting comparison
TCL had this EXACT SAME issue when their 85 inch QM8 came out in 2023. My brother got two sets and both had the same fluctuating brightness issue in both DV and HDR SETTINGS. TCL eventually fixed it with a FW update but it took a few months to roll it out
How does the picture on the 115" screen compare to the LG G2 97-inch OLED evo? As this is the largest OLED, enquiring minds what to know.
Hey Caleb, you mention the 'optional' legs. Do you know where / how to get the larger legs? I can find them anywhere online and even reached out to TCL but only get a basic customer support rep that doesn't know anything about them.
I guess my question would be how good can the picture be once calibrated since it has some issues in default format? I wish you had gone into that.
I'm in the group of people who just can’t cough up 20 grand for a TV.
But I am getting my QM851 98" next week, I hope the calibration out of the box is good as everyone says.
Yeah, I am definitely interested in the 98 inch version based on what he had to say about this one.
So, any feel for how much more immersive this is than a 98-100” TV? Thinking specifically about the Hisense U8K 100”, which is rediculously cheap by comparison.
I'm considering this TV at 115" but I currently have one of the same BDI TV stands you have in the showroom. If I were to use the included stand rather than wall mounting it, do you have a suggested TV stand that can go underneath it in order for me to place streaming devices, AVR and a large center channel speaker. The BDI stand would be too high, and the speaker would end up behind the TV. I could consider wall mounting as well but just trying to look at all possibilities.
Hisense needs to drop more info on the release of the 110UX.
Agreed, I am still waiting for the UX too. Hopefully they are doing last minute firmware updates after hearing the reviews on the TCL tvs.
At this sized a curved model would be beneficial ?
For $20,000 all 4 HDMI ports should be 2.1.
TCL is crazy.
Not really.
If you can afford this tv, you also have an AV-receiver.
If you have this TV you probably don’t care about either.
Should also be 144hz
Center channel placement seems like a real challenge here. How do you solve it?
So is the center of the picture at couch sitting height on those legs? It look like it is a foot or so too low in the video but it is hard to tell these things if you're not in person. I'm not a potential customer of a TV this expensive but I like to think about how I'd make it work in the spaces we have.
The color temp figures you presented is before or after color calibrations? Thanks!
So no Dolby Atmos?
I love your channel but I'm in the UK and the part numbers you talk about don't match up or aren't sold here. Can you recommend a channel or expert over here that reviews uk tvs ? Thanks
When cost is not a factor, this or the Sony Bravia 9 85”?
How much longer until TCL will release a 130 inch 8K tv for $20 grand? I may be interested in spending that much on tv then.
$20,000 IN YOUR DREAMS.
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That TV will cost at least $30,000-$40,000.
I'm very happy with my 85" QN900 for the foreseeable future, but things like this make me really excited for when I upgrade down the road. I'm fairly set that my next upgrade will be when Micro LED modular wall systems are down to the consumer level. But large panels like this are awesome to see and love that they push technology ahead. I'm fairly loyal to samsung so hopefully they get the message and get a sub10K 100+" TV in either single panel or modular system in the next 3~5 years. Wish they would leave out the tuner and speakers to bring the price down, who buys this and doesn't pair it with a sound system of equal caliber.
Got to see this unit yesterday here in Dallas, and I must say as an A/V integrator I wasn’t impressed with the overall picture quality. Lots of saturation and bleed of colors and it was on a 4K source. Hopefully a firmware update comes out soon to address the issue.
14:30 lol could be a cool test... thermal camera to get a better understanding of this tv vs other large size tvs heat signature
What would have been really helpful if he compared this with Sony X90L 98" TV or even TCL 98" TV and gave us his honest opinion which TV he was more drawn into most of the time when watching same content from same distance.
If this size gets down to the $5-7K price range, I may buy it. I saw the 100 Inch Hisense QM8 on sale for $3k at BestBuy this weekend. Its what I would go for if I bought today, but I have an 85 inch Sony from a couple years ago. I'm trying to get near 120 inch to match what I used to put in Media Room with projector years ago.
Well i thonk up to 120" for good 4k content is the sweet spot. 60" to 65" tv at 1080p was great for blurays, even close so uoure just doubling the size whilst quadrupling the resolution so everything should be fine if the content is there. Now over 120" amd close(like 10ft+/-..
Thats different...then I'd go for an 8k tv
Hey Caleb I have a question. I currently have a 2023 model 65" Hisense U7K. Would it be a major upgrade to go with a 2024 U8N or 2024 model TCL QM8
Another great review! Question, can this TCL 115" TV be wall hanged? How much does it weight?
If so, how to make sure it is secured hanged?
200 lbs
He answered your questions in his review.
Have you ever reviewed the 100inch Hisense U7K mini led TV for £3000 ??
Caleb I disagree with you trying to compare TCL bad processing of low quality content to Sony. Have you seen the bravia 9 processing of low quality content its a night and day difference in quality compared to TCL. I can assure you if it was a Sony processor in that 115 inch the low quality content would look way better.
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Not sure, but it seems the Chinese mainland version of this TV(X11G Max) MSRP price is 79999RMB(11000USD) post tax, some sales channels could retails this slightly less than 9000 USD
They just fixed both the EOTF curve and the upscaling on the 2023 QM8. They are now much better. I'm sure they'll fix this one too
When did that happen? I might need to update my firmware if it happened in the past few days
I spent 3K on the LG C2 '23 MODEL 77" OLED & LOVE IT•••••CANNOT WAIT TI PURCHASE THIS ONE CHRISTMAS TIME OR AT LATEST••••> SUPER BOWL TIME....NEXT YEAR. JUST CANT SEE PAYING LESS FOR THE LARGE SCREEN FADED PICTURE OF THE PROJECTOR.....COMPARED TO THE TCL 115'' BAD BOY••••••> JUST GOTTA HAVE IT. THANKS AS ALWAYS CALEB FOR THE THOUROUGH REVIEW. SOLD ME ON IT!!!
Would this be better than a Sony VPL 4K Projector and a Stewart Screen?
115" is ok for a kids/spare room but a main room should be 150"+
I made the same joke in the last unboxing video of this TV, no one understood, it went beyond their IQ level
“Laser TV” aka UST projector + ALR screen has become popular. It will be a few years before these TVs are at a competitive cost with projectors.
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@@dllemm2025. The AWOL 3500 PRO and a good screen is in the $7500 neighborhood. This will be the same price or less by the end of 2025.
I could tell just how large it was with it dwarfs the tower speakers, but when you put the "little" 65" TV in front of it my jaw hit the floor! My own TV is a 65" OLED
20k quite affordable. How about the color calibration?
Does this have the same specs as the 65 Inch qm851g or will be getting any separate videos for that model?
So with TV's this size, wouldnt it benefit from 8K panels as far as screen resolution goes to not be sble to see the pixels sitting closer?
If it was 8k, it would cost 40K right now instead of 20
Caleb, the size of this screen puts it squarely in projector territory. I’d love to see a comparison between this TCL and a high-end Sony or similar projector. Projector fans talk about its cinematic quality. What do you think?
Size has a quality all its own.
yeah the Seinfeld video clip 🤣
Seems like a really nice TV, although I gotta admit, at that hefty price tag I really feel like the TV should just outright come with the standup legs for no extra charge honestly.
So did TCL issue the promised update/fix?
Onkyo speakers. Didn't they go out of business a few years ago?
Black levels?
Power consumption?