I bought the QM7 in 55-inch a week ago. Let me tell you that sucker gets nuclear bright. I watched Avatar way of water and it looked Ava tarded it looked great. For what I paid it was a steal.
Rtings is truly the best they've ever been. Transparency around data is so much better, and abby is the greatest presenter you've ever had. Honestly abby is the best thing to happen to rtings because she is a solid public speaker. More impressive is the blend of rtings website data and real time b roll of the products in action. Very nice change. I'm enjoying this new rtings. Good job Patrick. ✌️
Studying last year’s QM8 prices on camel camel camel, and trying to decide if Black Friday will bring much more of a discount. I would get the 85”. Thoughts?
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj going by last year , it may drop to around 2k but probably no further. Will also depend on price movement from competition like hisense U8N. if you really want deep discount, you'll wait till next year spring.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj if you can wait then sure. I’m assuming after looking at last years qm8 price during Black Friday it should be anywhere between $2000-$1800 for the 85 inch. Even at $2199 I feel like it’s one of the best TVs out for a 85 inch.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xjfrom my experience last year looking at higher end TVs, Black Friday was not the best time to buy. I actually saw lower prices the weeks leading up to Black Friday especially at Amazon at night time .They would constantly lower and raise prices. I ended up buying a g3 the day after Christmas. There was a ton of good deals then.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj this morning the 85 inch QM851G is $1979 on Amazon. It’s actually cheaper than the 75 inch right now! I asked Best Buy if they would price match it for me and they did honor amazons price! I don’t see it getting much cheaper than that during Black Friday. Maybe $1800 at the lowest. Under $2000 is a great price though.
I have a request/ suggestion. Something I'd really love to see included in rtings testing is which tvs motion processing is better with less artifacts. Some like myself use and love these settings and buy with this in mind for action movies and gaming.
Man, TCL has low key been downright impressive for a low cost TV manufacturer. (Yes I know this one is expensive, but it's on par with TV's that cost double or triple what it does)
@@LoveHateVikes no issues with rainbow effect. I haven't noticed any issues watching sports on the nuilt in apps. I recommend that you visit the avs forums and look for the thread for owners of the qm851g. I mostly use it for videogames and it's great for that purpose.
@@arielspivak1113 they're not bad at all. The reviews make it seem as if the picture is terrible if you're sitting a few feet off to the side. That's not the case at all. Naturally, it's not as good as if you are sitting straight away, but it's not a problem for me. I love the tv.
@VikingsCurseIsReal Awesome, good to know. They make it sound like it's unwatchable, but I'm glad to hear it's really not that bad. It's the only reason i was thinking of getting the U8N instead, but I'd rather go for the QM8 if it's not that bad off angle. Thanks for the reply!
How's the motion processing and blooming? I play Playstation 5, watch sports and a lot of movies 🎬 debating on this or the U8N. Bravia B9 to expensive and lacks multiple 2.1 hdmi.
Yawn and wrong. You need a 98" immersive display that is parity with the Briavia 9 and the S90D at lower sizes. There are more dimming zones dumb dumb in the 98"
@whitecrowuk575 these Sony Bravia fan boys don't get it. TCL parent company makes the Sony Bravia 9 85" and the Samsung QN90D 98". This TV pops like when you watch Dolby Vision Bad Boys Ride or Die. Watch the first ten minutes game over. Robert Zohn and the flat-screen face off is not a competiton with integrity.
Honestly, if your gaming, I'd stay away from this considering there are cheaper OLEDs out there that still surpass this display and have decent brightness (like the G3/C4). I personally bought the QM851G thinking it'd be great consider all I've heard, but in gaming mode I just couldn't stand the black crush in local dimming high. And it's only other options are local dimming low and off (and both look horrible in dark scenes just due to almost no use [or none in off] of the dimming zones). Not to mention, at least in game mode, the TV has really bad color banding on dark colors. I tried Vivid picture mode with ALLM (there's a sort of hacky way you can get both so you have decent input latency with decent picture) and it fixed the black crush mostly, but did nothing for the color banding and motion clarity. I just think the other TV brands have much better processing for lower quality content and for color gradation. And another thing... the motion on the QM851G is god awful. Lots of smearing and ghosting which no one wants during gaming. Bravia 9 (my replacement display) has almost none of that on a similar VA Panel tech stack, but obviously is way more expensive. Only two things I think the Bravia 9 still does pretty poorly is BFI and VRR (although it's not terrible). That may be a flaw in VA Panels, but it ghosts pretty badly on both settings. I do think if they ever improve processors to even faster chips it may be solvable at 120Hz, but not sure. So realistically, if it were me and I was gaming, and money was an object... I'd just go for OLED, due to better motion clarity and still amazing picture for game mode. Thing is, imho, I just don't find most VA LED panels to have acceptable motion clarity and picture quality for the price. Maybe I'm just too strict, but I really prefer deep blacks, good shadow detail, good color saturation (while still having color detail visible), and good motion clarity. If I can't get all of these in one package, I kind of feel like the TV shouldn't even be $1000 at that point, especially at this point when so many other panels that for a couple 100 dollars more do all of this (and more some times).
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!! I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8????? I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
I have the 98" version of this TV. Most of this review seems to hold true for it as well. I haven't had issues with VRR tearing or input lag, though. Also, EOTF tracking and 24Hz playback latency is much better in game mode, so I've been using it even for movies/TV. Currently on the 097 firmware.
My 85 B9 is amazing with no DSE it’s needed a little bit of a break in and rub down but that is my number one problem is DSE and Blooming. Man did I get lucky because it’s amazing
My 75 inch Bravia 9 has no DSE. I gave it 4 weeks of use/break-in before finally checking yesterday and there was no DSE. It’s as close to oled as a mini led can get.
Great review , also of the U8N you did previously . In comparing brightness to the U8N you state that the QM851 is brighter , but show that the U8N gets to to 3691 nits @ 10% , while the QM851 gets up to 3467 nits . Nitpicking aside (😂) , which one is truly brighter ? I have the U8K 75" with ADS Pro Panel and am mesmerized , but I may consider the QM851 or U8N for another room .
We bought the 2023 55" C805K in the UK from Amazon which is a QD-Mini LED model. Whilst the picture quality was crazy good, the implementation of Google TV was truly dreadful - not responding to the remote half the time and forcing multiple hard resets before we sent the TV back to the retailer. TCL's support were also really poor and pushed back against the return. I would not recommend any TCL TV regardless of the series and buy Hisense or Samsung instead.
Hello can you tell me if the nintendo switch would look on this tv? Also whats a good distance to sit in front of this one? I usually have 43" tvs but this is only aviable in 50" so i'm not sure.. Also, i watch movies only connected to my pc on the tv (these movies are downloaded and 1080p quality) would they look good too?
I have a the first gen TCL 8 series tv (75 inch) and I love it, the issue that I have is when you plug Apple tv to it, certain movies, you get weird artificing in certain scenes, with certain Dolby vision settings (like a scene will drop to 1080 broadcast tv quality and no upscaling for no reason and it happens the same scene it certain movies every time, but I don't' have that issue with a Roku Streaming Box) and the Dolby Vision flickers in certain scenes as wel, It looks like it will flicker between dolby vision and HDR through a series of scenes and then stop, its always the same ones each time it happens, its noticeable enough that my next tv I don't think will be TCL, I can't get a direct answer from them, but see a lot of complaints in the forums about the same issue and they never have addressed the complaints.
Gey RTINGS team! I was curious. I am looking for a 144hz 1440p 27 inch monitor with an IPS panel and came across the Koorui GN07 for a price of 210€. Can you guys recommend anything in the price range of up to 300€? Thanks for the reviews!
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You said the VRR motion bugs seem to happen at 65hz, does that mean at that mark or above and below 65? If it’s below, that’s the golden range for 40-60 fps for consoles so it’s pretty much a no go as a gaming TV. At 65hz, it would affect frame rate unlocked games that push over 60hz. Still a pretty significant issue that almost negates the benefits of VRR over a locked mode. Also when VRR fails to kick in, does the TV indicate that it’s falsely in VRR mode?
VRR still works down to 40Hz as far as I can tell. The issue they're referring to here is that the overdrive behavior changes at a specific refresh rate threshold (65Hz or so) rather than scaling with the refresh rate which would improve motion picture quality. Overdrive is used on all LCD displays to compensate for pixel transition times. It primarily impacts the leading and trailing edges of moving content. Bad overdrive can lead to smeary looking edges while good overdrive keeps things looking sharp in motion. At a fixed refresh rate, it's pretty easy to manage, but with variable refresh rates, it can be tricky. I'm a PC guy, so I'm usually running 90+ fps on anything whenever possible. This TV looks great at those above 60Hz frequencies, but when it dips it can cause some mostly minor problems as illustrated in the video. If you're a console gamer, running a fixed refresh rate of 60Hz for games that only run at 30/60fps may be better. For 60-120fps gaming, I'd still go for VRR. Your sensitivity to overdrive issues may vary, so VRR below 60Hz might not bother you, either. Your mileage may vary.
@@paulbmiller24 Thanks for the explanation - sounds like it's more pronounced at a particular range. VRR is a huge part of buying a HDMI 2.1 TV since it's able to help with varying frame rates or games that can't hold a particular frame rate. Surprised that TCL hasn't fixed those on their higher-end models.
@@techsamurai11 Absolutely. Yeah, it's surprising they don't have a better solution in place. That said, I actually hadn't noticed any overdrive issues at all, but I'm also not a console gamer, so that's probably the difference.
@@paulbmiller24I'm looking for a 98-inch tv non oled. I've owned LG OLED's, and the burn in is bad, so I'm done with OLED's. In your opinion, what 98-inch non oled tv would you buy and why? I'm also in the market for a 75-inch tv. I watch sports, play Ps5 and lots of movies. Thank you for your time. The Sony Bravia B9 is lacking multiple 2.1 hdmi and quite expensive 😂
@@paulbmiller24 I've got a storm shell enclosure so weather isn't an issue and I bring it indoors during the winter months. I've got the TCL 5 series out there now and it's meh during the day but beautiful at night.
@@JustinDuff-l3h My TV is inside, but I have lots of windows and skylights. In direct sunlight, any display is going to struggle, but I have this thing at 25 brightness in SDR and it's fine for my purposes. At 100, the sun would have a fight on its hands. Lol
Hi folks, does anyone here own the QM851G? How do you percieve the viewing angles? Acceptable? Or more like aweful? It would be great if you tell the size of your TV and at which distance you watch, and if you watch in a dark room (in bright rooms the blacks and blooming and viewing angles are percieved completely differently than in dark rooms, that´s why I like to specify-get specified). Thanx!
Hi everyone, I'm searching for the rewiew of the model c765 (TCL), maybe has another code name.. but I can't find it anyhere. I'm interested to buy it, could you help me?
I’m interested in how this compares to the Sony Bravia 7. No surprise the B9 is the better tv but the B7 is the actual competition for the QM8 I’d think?
Yeah agreed. I was watching the dimming zone tests of the X93L, X95L, Bravia 7, Bravia 9, and QM8 and the Bravia 7 on Rtings seems to do a weird thing where it lights up adjoining areas (blooming I guess) despite having more dimming zone than the X93L and the same as the X95L and supposedly the new lighting control of the Bravia 9. It’s definitely not the same as the X95L. Maybe the new lighting control needs more zones than Sony anticipated… Now you can’t really see it until it’s a dark scene but it’s a bit strange. Rtings also talked about the issue in the description but scored it fairly high given that strange behavior - maybe the camera’s exposure was lifted to pick the effect up. I don’t understand why this TV isn’t closer to the X95L especially given the competition. It seems that brightness was the main concern at the expense of angles, finish, and contrast.
If I had a nickel for every time I saw Bravia 7, 8, and 9 shortened to B7, B8, and B9 I’d be able to drop out of university. LG already uses those for their OLED TVs
6:32 Here you say that this is the brightest TV that you've tested. Yet, a few minutes later you show the Hisense that you've tested, with a higher brightness.
The HDR brightness metric seems to depend heavily on the hallway lights, skyscraper and landscape pool images in which for the hallway lights, the qm8 has the brightest record for that metric
Depends on the scene my guy. Overall the TCL is the brighter set. In most windows sizes the TCL either matches or has a higher nit count than the u8n. In either case both TV's are incredibly bright and unless you set the thing outside in the summer to watch tv you shouldn't have to worry about brightness from either of them.
It only shows the value for a peak 10% window, if you compare both TVs in multiple scenarios, the QM8 is the brighter TV overall! Sorry for any confusion, but you can compare for yourself using our table tool: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/hisense-u8-u8n-vs-tcl-qm8-qm851g-qled/50406/60898?usage=1&threshold=0.10#test_179
Brightest isn't just a peak. Its about its ability to maintain high brightness all around. I believe Rtings is the best they've ever been at reflecting this fairly.
I don't understand your ratings on a given feature. Nearly always (always?), the rating is far higher than the percentile data vs. other tvs re the same issue shown at the bottom of the same slide.
I have last years 85” qm8 and haven’t had a single issue with vrr or screen tearing and I play multiple hours a day on it. Also the viewing angles great. You have to try to get on an angle to mess up the picture. Most of this stuff is way over blown just to have some differences so they have something to take about.
Typical of many brands, the ones sold in the USA are not the same as the ones sold in the EU/UK this makes it very difficult to compare them. My own experience of Hisense has put me off buying any of the Chinese brands, their customer service is very poor. The TCL's don't come with some of the important apps installed and you can't add them forcing you use an external box. I will wait until next year for the 2025 models with the new SoC.
I saw the brightness measurements. The 3 is bad, it has the same brightness in all window sizes so highlights must be the same brightness as other content. Essentially, in a bright room with brightness maxed the TV is running out of juice.
@@techsamurai11 Yes there is no local dimming but the screen uniformity and excellent color gamut makes the picture look sharp and detailed. Also brightness seems to be decent if not great.
@@BhavinnTrivedi Yes, it has all the great things that a Sony has including decent viewing angles. The lack of highlights though are a killer assuming it's not able to do them. Plus it will have a gray image at night but that can be reduced with bias lighting.
@@techsamurai11 I didn't wanted to go with Hisense as I do not trust that brand. As per my budget, I compared LG QNED88T, Samsung Q70D and Sony Bravia 3. All were priced similarly. At last, I concluded that out of all Sony Bravia shows best picture quality. But I had heard that no tv can beat Hisense U7N at its price point.
@@ali08281 in Europe, at least in my country x955 is part of the "big boys" range, only available at 115...it has nothing to do with QM8, especially with diagonals of 65 which I did not find on x955... check the specs for C855 or C89B (France and other) the same TV but other country cod name
I recently purchased the 98” 851G and I’m very happy with its performance. The only negatives is that it weighs 150# and the leg stands were too far apart, by 3”, to fit on on my entertainment center cabinet. The sound quality is a non issue for me as I use a AVR for sound.
Yeah I am not sure between the 851G and the Sony X90L. For me it’s sports performance. Also I use an external AppleTV so app performance on the TV doesn’t concern my usage pattern. Any tips would be helpful 👍
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!! I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8????? I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
You are sure that the model for Europe is not somehow C855 ?!? it looks exactly the same and has the same specifications... I just bought it and it should arrive in a few days
In Europe this is indeed the c855 or also c81b and c89b. The European models are finished a bit better and also have a much nicer remote control, unfortunately without backlighting.
The only problem with this TV is I cannot use Game mode when streaming play, you need to plug via HDMI if you want to benefit from Game mode low input lag etc
Just a matter of time before it comes back. I walked into Best Buy this week and all the TV's, even the worst of them were amazing and then some. Sure the +$3000 TV was better than the $500 one. But not as much as the price would suggest anymore. The $500 TV is an embarrassment of riches as is. There really are not a lot of features left for them to offer, any TV will be a great TV now. Except for one feature left behind, passive 3D. Then things get interesting. Because I don't believe anyone that had a 3D TV back then actually had one, it was a prototype (and not a good one) before 2016 LG OLED, just that one year and then they were gone.
I would wait for next years 2025 qm8 the TV is already out in China as the X11H model UA-cam it there are Chinese reviews on it but the specs are amazing.
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!! I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8????? I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
while China TV push boundaries in certain areas, they are lacking in reliability, many TCL Hisense broke down within in 3 years in Chinese forums. They adopt an all and burst design approach.
Why do you only refer to the 10% brightness when 100% brightness is what is actually important? This is also reflected in your weird scoring system that has no relation to reality and is inherently OLED biased. Your test images also make no sense. If this TV has an HDR score of 9.7 OLED should be at around 4 with their low brightness and insane ABL issues.
I mean, depends how often you sit off to the side of your TV. In most real world situations, it doesn't matter and if I'm THAT off angle, I'm probably not super concerned with the picture quality considering the perspective is already warped. Maybe if you have a lot of parties where people sit close & off the side a bit it could be a problem?
@paulbmiller24 ok imo this tv is best for a big screen theater room or a narrow living room. Of your set up is not that then just save up a little bit more & get a Sony or Samsung, make a better investment.
@@Oscar-sz7sp Agreed, although I would go Sony or LG if you want to splurge, rather than Samsung. In my option, lacking Dolby Vision is a dealbreaker, and Samsung generally have poor out of box accuracy as far as the bigger brands go.
@@discodancer2000 maybe just maybe better but price is 2.5 times more expensive...so you(with higher standard of living) have to pay 2200 dollars for 85" version while I have to pay around 5000 USD for the same size.
@@biber9979The European version of the qm851g is not the c955 as RTINGS claims, here it is the c855 also known as the c81b and the c89b. This tv is available as a 65 inch.
i wish you wouldn't call LCD TVs LED TVs. marketing did a number on the correct nomenclature, same BS with deceiving stuff like "QLED" great review of courses, just a pet peeve of mine
@@theripper121 QLED being VERY close to OLED in name, people now think LED and LCD TVs are different things, its going to get even mor emessy once ACTUAL MicroLED TVs are a thing. It all stems from marketing departments trying to one-up their competetor
With all the reports from bright lights literally frying & breaking the panels of some TV-tests from RTINGS, i'd turn down like 50% of those Sun-powered light TCL model if i'd go with it.
@@enzopied3015 but it has to affect these TVs too right? If the Q60 is pushing 600 nits and this one 4,000 nits then surely the 4,000 nits is much hotter. If you dim it, then that may be even worse since the heat is contained. I'm sure the QM8 is not built to the highest standards as evidenced by last year's QM8.
You have to factor lifespan in the price - a TV that does 4,000 nits will certainly not last as long as TV that does 400 nits. Especially with the same cooling as the 400 nit TV. What are the thermals on these things at 4,000 nits? If the TV has half the lifespan, then its retail price is much higher . Can you even repair a 85-inch TV out of warranty? It's probably cheaper to buy a new one. Also, the headache of a broken TV especially in the living room is a very unwelcome one that I'm sure folks would pay money to avoid.
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I bought the QM7 in 55-inch a week ago. Let me tell you that sucker gets nuclear bright. I watched Avatar way of water and it looked Ava tarded it looked great. For what I paid it was a steal.
honestly 50G to 51G you have to respect how it actually makes sense
What’s up man Vanghoul here. I recognized your picture from other chats we have been in. I agree with you on the QM8. I just got a QM7 and love it
It does but it’s sold as the QM8. Whereas the last letter going up 1 makes it clear the A95K and A95L aren’t the same.
Qm850g is 10 bit panel. Qm851g isn't (8bit+frc)
@@mr.pangetako so the qm850 is better?
Super reports. After more than 30 years of TV testing experience, it is always interesting to look into the expertise of RTINGS. You are the best😀
Rtings is truly the best they've ever been. Transparency around data is so much better, and abby is the greatest presenter you've ever had. Honestly abby is the best thing to happen to rtings because she is a solid public speaker. More impressive is the blend of rtings website data and real time b roll of the products in action. Very nice change. I'm enjoying this new rtings. Good job Patrick. ✌️
Hi Q! ✌️
Stop using A.I when posing comments,.
I ordered the QM851G 85 inch yesterday for $2199. Looking forward to seeing it setup this weekend.
Studying last year’s QM8 prices on camel camel camel, and trying to decide if Black Friday will bring much more of a discount. I would get the 85”. Thoughts?
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj going by last year , it may drop to around 2k but probably no further. Will also depend on price movement from competition like hisense U8N. if you really want deep discount, you'll wait till next year spring.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj if you can wait then sure. I’m assuming after looking at last years qm8 price during Black Friday it should be anywhere between $2000-$1800 for the 85 inch. Even at $2199 I feel like it’s one of the best TVs out for a 85 inch.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xjfrom my experience last year looking at higher end TVs, Black Friday was not the best time to buy. I actually saw lower prices the weeks leading up to Black Friday especially at Amazon at night time .They would constantly lower and raise prices. I ended up buying a g3 the day after Christmas. There was a ton of good deals then.
@@ChesterMan-qd3xj this morning the 85 inch QM851G is $1979 on Amazon. It’s actually cheaper than the 75 inch right now! I asked Best Buy if they would price match it for me and they did honor amazons price! I don’t see it getting much cheaper than that during Black Friday. Maybe $1800 at the lowest. Under $2000 is a great price though.
Since the qm8 isn't available in 55 inches, I had to get the qm7. I am pleased with it,but the brightness of the qm8 is insane.
I have a request/ suggestion. Something I'd really love to see included in rtings testing is which tvs motion processing is better with less artifacts. Some like myself use and love these settings and buy with this in mind for action movies and gaming.
I though you were in jail for abusing your ex wife?
@@carelessways
If any woman reports you even without evidence, you will be arrested. This is the unfortunate life in the West.
Looks oretty reasonable in pricing. I wish it were just $200 or so less
Man, TCL has low key been downright impressive for a low cost TV manufacturer. (Yes I know this one is expensive, but it's on par with TV's that cost double or triple what it does)
It's also cheap quality and breaks easily. You get what you pay for. Had to return two tcl's so far. Never again.
@@wolfura..
.lol, not the QM series.
Qm7 next plz
It's currently in our lab undergoing testing!
I have the 75 inch qm851g. It's a great tv and the gaming performance is fantastic. I highly recommend it.
@@LoveHateVikes no issues with rainbow effect. I haven't noticed any issues watching sports on the nuilt in apps. I recommend that you visit the avs forums and look for the thread for owners of the qm851g. I mostly use it for videogames and it's great for that purpose.
I'd also love to know how "bad" the viewing angles are, or if it's really not that noticeable. It's really my only major concern.
@@arielspivak1113 they're not bad at all. The reviews make it seem as if the picture is terrible if you're sitting a few feet off to the side. That's not the case at all. Naturally, it's not as good as if you are sitting straight away, but it's not a problem for me. I love the tv.
@VikingsCurseIsReal Awesome, good to know. They make it sound like it's unwatchable, but I'm glad to hear it's really not that bad. It's the only reason i was thinking of getting the U8N instead, but I'd rather go for the QM8 if it's not that bad off angle. Thanks for the reply!
How's the motion processing and blooming? I play Playstation 5, watch sports and a lot of movies 🎬 debating on this or the U8N. Bravia B9 to expensive and lacks multiple 2.1 hdmi.
I’ve been waiting months for this!!! 🙌🏽
The QM8 I great if you don’t have the means to get a 77” A95L, 83” G4 or the 85” Sony Bravia 9
Qm8 if you want immersive experience with 98”
Yawn and wrong. You need a 98" immersive display that is parity with the Briavia 9 and the S90D at lower sizes.
There are more dimming zones dumb dumb in the 98"
@whitecrowuk575 these Sony Bravia fan boys don't get it. TCL parent company makes the Sony Bravia 9 85" and the Samsung QN90D 98".
This TV pops like when you watch Dolby Vision Bad Boys Ride or Die. Watch the first ten minutes game over.
Robert Zohn and the flat-screen face off is not a competiton with integrity.
Calibration means turning down the brightness 🌞 LOL.
Honestly, if your gaming, I'd stay away from this considering there are cheaper OLEDs out there that still surpass this display and have decent brightness (like the G3/C4). I personally bought the QM851G thinking it'd be great consider all I've heard, but in gaming mode I just couldn't stand the black crush in local dimming high. And it's only other options are local dimming low and off (and both look horrible in dark scenes just due to almost no use [or none in off] of the dimming zones). Not to mention, at least in game mode, the TV has really bad color banding on dark colors. I tried Vivid picture mode with ALLM (there's a sort of hacky way you can get both so you have decent input latency with decent picture) and it fixed the black crush mostly, but did nothing for the color banding and motion clarity. I just think the other TV brands have much better processing for lower quality content and for color gradation. And another thing... the motion on the QM851G is god awful. Lots of smearing and ghosting which no one wants during gaming. Bravia 9 (my replacement display) has almost none of that on a similar VA Panel tech stack, but obviously is way more expensive. Only two things I think the Bravia 9 still does pretty poorly is BFI and VRR (although it's not terrible). That may be a flaw in VA Panels, but it ghosts pretty badly on both settings. I do think if they ever improve processors to even faster chips it may be solvable at 120Hz, but not sure.
So realistically, if it were me and I was gaming, and money was an object... I'd just go for OLED, due to better motion clarity and still amazing picture for game mode. Thing is, imho, I just don't find most VA LED panels to have acceptable motion clarity and picture quality for the price. Maybe I'm just too strict, but I really prefer deep blacks, good shadow detail, good color saturation (while still having color detail visible), and good motion clarity. If I can't get all of these in one package, I kind of feel like the TV shouldn't even be $1000 at that point, especially at this point when so many other panels that for a couple 100 dollars more do all of this (and more some times).
At the 75" size - U8N or QM8? I don't really need a wider viewing angle and other pq.
Thanks for the great review. Loved the humorous intro! Miss the bloopers at the end though....
Your u8n review shows higher brightness
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!!
I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8?????
I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
Is this the same panel as that of TCL C755? Plz make a review for the TCL C755!!
Ive owned TV's costing 4 times as much and the QM8 is the best
So the question is 98 inch the same as these models reviewed ? I would liike to have a dedicated review for this model on that size
Wouldn’t they need to buy the 98 inch model and keep it? How many certifiably sane people buy the 98 inch?
I have the 98" version of this TV. Most of this review seems to hold true for it as well. I haven't had issues with VRR tearing or input lag, though. Also, EOTF tracking and 24Hz playback latency is much better in game mode, so I've been using it even for movies/TV. Currently on the 097 firmware.
@@techsamurai11me for one. Replaced my projector with the TCL 98”
Awesome reviews 👍
When is the QM7 review coming?
Hello RTINGS. Is it called the C855 in europe?. Where can i find such information!
Can you find the answer?
@oulnexone its between qm50g and qm51g
@@N-e.o bro where is the c855? lol
Why can't any LCD MANUFACTURER.make any tv Without DIRTY screen effect...I would buy this tv but it has DSE like every other lcd..
My 85 B9 is amazing with no DSE it’s needed a little bit of a break in and rub down but that is my number one problem is DSE and Blooming. Man did I get lucky because it’s amazing
Why would you complain about such a minor issue just use some water and a rag and clean the screen,
My 75 inch Bravia 9 has no DSE. I gave it 4 weeks of use/break-in before finally checking yesterday and there was no DSE. It’s as close to oled as a mini led can get.
@@ericroberts7380 yup same
@@vcam-g9h it’s behind the screen it’s not actually dirty 🤭
You mentioned Greys banding, but how's the uniformity? Do we have to worry about panel lottery?
Great review , also of the U8N you did previously .
In comparing brightness to the U8N you state that the QM851 is brighter , but show that the U8N gets to to 3691 nits @ 10% , while the QM851 gets up to 3467 nits .
Nitpicking aside (😂) , which one is truly brighter ?
I have the U8K 75" with ADS Pro Panel and am mesmerized , but I may consider the QM851 or U8N for another room .
Let's go black Friday I need the 85inch
That's what she said 😊
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@@micdoses1 🤣 🤣 🤣
Fantastic, clever opening! 🤣
How does this compare to the Sony Bravia B9?
They do a vs on their website site. I’d buy the qm8 over the b9 just due to price
I wonder if the numbers would be consistent if five TVs of the same model were tested. I'm betting they wouldn't.
Who's the competitors are you talking about oleds or mini leds or something else or what
We bought the 2023 55" C805K in the UK from Amazon which is a QD-Mini LED model. Whilst the picture quality was crazy good, the implementation of Google TV was truly dreadful - not responding to the remote half the time and forcing multiple hard resets before we sent the TV back to the retailer. TCL's support were also really poor and pushed back against the return. I would not recommend any TCL TV regardless of the series and buy Hisense or Samsung instead.
Hello can you tell me if the nintendo switch would look on this tv? Also whats a good distance to sit in front of this one? I usually have 43" tvs but this is only aviable in 50" so i'm not sure.. Also, i watch movies only connected to my pc on the tv (these movies are downloaded and 1080p quality) would they look good too?
I have a the first gen TCL 8 series tv (75 inch) and I love it, the issue that I have is when you plug Apple tv to it, certain movies, you get weird artificing in certain scenes, with certain Dolby vision settings (like a scene will drop to 1080 broadcast tv quality and no upscaling for no reason and it happens the same scene it certain movies every time, but I don't' have that issue with a Roku Streaming Box) and the Dolby Vision flickers in certain scenes as wel, It looks like it will flicker between dolby vision and HDR through a series of scenes and then stop, its always the same ones each time it happens, its noticeable enough that my next tv I don't think will be TCL, I can't get a direct answer from them, but see a lot of complaints in the forums about the same issue and they never have addressed the complaints.
Where can I find the newest firmware update for the 2023 QM850G??? Not OTA. Need a link for the version 295 that RTINGS has.
98” is one to get albeit Hisense ux will be probably better
when will the UX be released?
@@dennissimiyu3109 later this year
And uglier those speakers at the sides makes the tv ugly as hell, ppl who buy that tv gonna have a sound system why they put those ugly speakers on it
Gey RTINGS team! I was curious. I am looking for a 144hz 1440p 27 inch monitor with an IPS panel and came across the Koorui GN07 for a price of 210€. Can you guys recommend anything in the price range of up to 300€? Thanks for the reviews!
Sure, the 65 inch QM8 would probably be your best bet!
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how can you find out your hdr peak brightness for your tv which own not getting a accurate answer my tv lg c3 git to be over 700 nits???
You said the VRR motion bugs seem to happen at 65hz, does that mean at that mark or above and below 65?
If it’s below, that’s the golden range for 40-60 fps for consoles so it’s pretty much a no go as a gaming TV. At 65hz, it would affect frame rate unlocked games that push over 60hz. Still a pretty significant issue that almost negates the benefits of VRR over a locked mode.
Also when VRR fails to kick in, does the TV indicate that it’s falsely in VRR mode?
So the TV says that VRR is on but it’s actually not? That’s a significant issue.
VRR still works down to 40Hz as far as I can tell. The issue they're referring to here is that the overdrive behavior changes at a specific refresh rate threshold (65Hz or so) rather than scaling with the refresh rate which would improve motion picture quality.
Overdrive is used on all LCD displays to compensate for pixel transition times. It primarily impacts the leading and trailing edges of moving content. Bad overdrive can lead to smeary looking edges while good overdrive keeps things looking sharp in motion.
At a fixed refresh rate, it's pretty easy to manage, but with variable refresh rates, it can be tricky. I'm a PC guy, so I'm usually running 90+ fps on anything whenever possible. This TV looks great at those above 60Hz frequencies, but when it dips it can cause some mostly minor problems as illustrated in the video.
If you're a console gamer, running a fixed refresh rate of 60Hz for games that only run at 30/60fps may be better. For 60-120fps gaming, I'd still go for VRR. Your sensitivity to overdrive issues may vary, so VRR below 60Hz might not bother you, either. Your mileage may vary.
@@paulbmiller24 Thanks for the explanation - sounds like it's more pronounced at a particular range.
VRR is a huge part of buying a HDMI 2.1 TV since it's able to help with varying frame rates or games that can't hold a particular frame rate.
Surprised that TCL hasn't fixed those on their higher-end models.
@@techsamurai11 Absolutely. Yeah, it's surprising they don't have a better solution in place. That said, I actually hadn't noticed any overdrive issues at all, but I'm also not a console gamer, so that's probably the difference.
@@paulbmiller24I'm looking for a 98-inch tv non oled. I've owned LG OLED's, and the burn in is bad, so I'm done with OLED's. In your opinion, what 98-inch non oled tv would you buy and why? I'm also in the market for a 75-inch tv. I watch sports, play Ps5 and lots of movies. Thank you for your time. The Sony Bravia B9 is lacking multiple 2.1 hdmi and quite expensive 😂
Could you review the tcl 855?
Would this be a passable TV for outdoors in a shaded covered area? Hoping the brightness makes up for any reflectivity.
Probably the best option out there since it's the brightest. Not sure about outdoor weatherproofing, though.
@@paulbmiller24 I've got a storm shell enclosure so weather isn't an issue and I bring it indoors during the winter months. I've got the TCL 5 series out there now and it's meh during the day but beautiful at night.
@@JustinDuff-l3h My TV is inside, but I have lots of windows and skylights. In direct sunlight, any display is going to struggle, but I have this thing at 25 brightness in SDR and it's fine for my purposes. At 100, the sun would have a fight on its hands. Lol
Hi folks, does anyone here own the QM851G? How do you percieve the viewing angles? Acceptable? Or more like aweful? It would be great if you tell the size of your TV and at which distance you watch, and if you watch in a dark room (in bright rooms the blacks and blooming and viewing angles are percieved completely differently than in dark rooms, that´s why I like to specify-get specified). Thanx!
6:54 again, TCL and Hisense having issues following EOTF accurately. Not sure why
Is that something they can fix via firmware?
@@asafblasbergvideographer Likely
Waiting for TCL Q651G Next!
Hi everyone, I'm searching for the rewiew of the model c765 (TCL), maybe has another code name.. but I can't find it anyhere. I'm interested to buy it, could you help me?
please review the 2024 TCL QM7
I’m interested in how this compares to the Sony Bravia 7. No surprise the B9 is the better tv but the B7 is the actual competition for the QM8 I’d think?
Yeah agreed. I was watching the dimming zone tests of the X93L, X95L, Bravia 7, Bravia 9, and QM8 and the Bravia 7 on Rtings seems to do a weird thing where it lights up adjoining areas (blooming I guess) despite having more dimming zone than the X93L and the same as the X95L and supposedly the new lighting control of the Bravia 9. It’s definitely not the same as the X95L. Maybe the new lighting control needs more zones than Sony anticipated…
Now you can’t really see it until it’s a dark scene but it’s a bit strange. Rtings also talked about the issue in the description but scored it fairly high given that strange behavior - maybe the camera’s exposure was lifted to pick the effect up.
I don’t understand why this TV isn’t closer to the X95L especially given the competition. It seems that brightness was the main concern at the expense of angles, finish, and contrast.
If I had a nickel for every time I saw Bravia 7, 8, and 9 shortened to B7, B8, and B9 I’d be able to drop out of university. LG already uses those for their OLED TVs
@@jollama we’re at B4 with LG. By the time they get to B7 I’m sure Sony will have moved on. Lighten up 👍🏻
@@lukevanderwaal You know LG has a B7 from 2017 right?
Looking forward to the qm7
Anyone knows how many dimming zones are there on the 85” version? Thanks
Is the TV's brightness too much for a dark room?
Is this a same tv with C855K (europe model) ??
I heard the USA one is superior more dimming zones
@tracer073 thanks!
6:32 Here you say that this is the brightest TV that you've tested.
Yet, a few minutes later you show the Hisense that you've tested, with a higher brightness.
The HDR brightness metric seems to depend heavily on the hallway lights, skyscraper and landscape pool images in which for the hallway lights, the qm8 has the brightest record for that metric
That metric includes brightness at different window sizes too.
Depends on the scene my guy. Overall the TCL is the brighter set. In most windows sizes the TCL either matches or has a higher nit count than the u8n. In either case both TV's are incredibly bright and unless you set the thing outside in the summer to watch tv you shouldn't have to worry about brightness from either of them.
Better than the Sony Bravia 8 ?
You guys rated the hisense u8n at over 3600 nits why does this have a higher brightness rating???
It only shows the value for a peak 10% window, if you compare both TVs in multiple scenarios, the QM8 is the brighter TV overall! Sorry for any confusion, but you can compare for yourself using our table tool: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/hisense-u8-u8n-vs-tcl-qm8-qm851g-qled/50406/60898?usage=1&threshold=0.10#test_179
Brightest isn't just a peak. Its about its ability to maintain high brightness all around. I believe Rtings is the best they've ever been at reflecting this fairly.
@@Quantum_TV makes sense thanks
Добрый день. Протестируйте пожалуйста TCL X955 в 85 диагонали.
I don't understand your ratings on a given feature. Nearly always (always?), the rating is far higher than the percentile data vs. other tvs re the same issue shown at the bottom of the same slide.
I have last years 85” qm8 and haven’t had a single issue with vrr or screen tearing and I play multiple hours a day on it. Also the viewing angles great. You have to try to get on an angle to mess up the picture. Most of this stuff is way over blown just to have some differences so they have something to take about.
Are you guys going to also review the qm7 i want a comparison please
They do that on their website
does anyone know what is this model named as in the uk?
Is this the same as TCL C855 Europe?
Nope x955
Nope X959. X955 = 2023@@simonrafia4519
can you do 100u76n please. ty
"Proper" TV reviews despite being boring/snoring I watch it regularly (like the ones from Vincent Teoh)... didn't know it could be fun! Nice try :)
I thought I knew about TV picture quality until I started watching this channell and reading their website.
Price 55 inch?
I like the way Abby pronounces “subwoofer”.
Typical of many brands, the ones sold in the USA are not the same as the ones sold in the EU/UK
this makes it very difficult to compare them.
My own experience of Hisense has put me off buying any of the Chinese brands, their customer service
is very poor.
The TCL's don't come with some of the important apps installed and you can't add them forcing you use
an external box.
I will wait until next year for the 2025 models with the new SoC.
that reflective marker on the top right of the tv is actually a deal breaker for me lmao
It comes off, it's there for advertising in stores
@@starmc26 oh, this review makes it seem as if its permanent
@@8K240hz Nope, I own one.... comes right off.
@@starmc26 I was thinking about getting one for streaming,movies,sports and occasionally gaming. Would you recommend? 75”
Provide video review on Sony Bravia 3
I saw the brightness measurements. The 3 is bad, it has the same brightness in all window sizes so highlights must be the same brightness as other content. Essentially, in a bright room with brightness maxed the TV is running out of juice.
@@techsamurai11 Yes there is no local dimming but the screen uniformity and excellent color gamut makes the picture look sharp and detailed. Also brightness seems to be decent if not great.
@@BhavinnTrivedi Yes, it has all the great things that a Sony has including decent viewing angles. The lack of highlights though are a killer assuming it's not able to do them. Plus it will have a gray image at night but that can be reduced with bias lighting.
@@techsamurai11 I didn't wanted to go with Hisense as I do not trust that brand. As per my budget, I compared LG QNED88T, Samsung Q70D and Sony Bravia 3. All were priced similarly. At last, I concluded that out of all Sony Bravia shows best picture quality. But I had heard that no tv can beat Hisense U7N at its price point.
why is this is like the sixth year where tcl is competing against hisense AGAIN???
Hey actually this model (qm851G) is avaible in Europe, I just bought it few days ago here in Spain but its called "TCL C855"
What about the X955?
How could you confirm that it is the same ?
No its called x955
Can you please confirm this?
@@ali08281 in Europe, at least in my country x955 is part of the "big boys" range, only available at 115...it has nothing to do with QM8, especially with diagonals of 65 which I did not find on x955... check the specs for C855 or C89B (France and other) the same TV but other country cod name
for the comparisons can you do a non chinese company alternitve even if it might be worse?
@Rtingscom Hi TCL QM8/QM851G = TCL С855 or is it closer to TCL Q7/Q750G?
I recently purchased the 98” 851G and I’m very happy with its performance. The only negatives is that it weighs 150# and the leg stands were too far apart, by 3”, to fit on on my entertainment center cabinet. The sound quality is a non issue for me as I use a AVR for sound.
How's the motion handling? I've read where people returned theirs or had issues.
Yeah I am not sure between the 851G and the Sony X90L. For me it’s sports performance. Also I use an external AppleTV so app performance on the TV doesn’t concern my usage pattern.
Any tips would be helpful 👍
@@TheDoctorcue2677I'm in same boat, I want a 98 inch tv and unsure what model to buy that will last and have nice picture and motion processing.
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!!
I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8?????
I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
VRR bug is a no go for gaming.
You are sure that the model for Europe is not somehow C855 ?!? it looks exactly the same and has the same specifications... I just bought it and it should arrive in a few days
In Europe this is indeed the c855 or also c81b and c89b. The European models are finished a bit better and also have a much nicer remote control, unfortunately without backlighting.
C855 is 3500 nits, the x955 is the one to be compared with is 5000 nits.
The comparable model is the X955, quite impossible to find.
That tv looks amazing but there is one problem I can’t stand the tv stand I just don’t like it 🎉
This or the U7N? Or U8N?
Bright tv cant be good while I am always trying to use my tv in a dark room
tv product names need to chill
The only problem with this TV is I cannot use Game mode when streaming play, you need to plug via HDMI if you want to benefit from Game mode low input lag etc
Hi Abby, great review😊❤
Shame that TCL still sells different TVs with completely different model numbers in the US vs EU vs other parts of the world.
You got my hopes up thinking 3D TVs are making a comeback since 2016 😢
Womp womp
Just a matter of time before it comes back. I walked into Best Buy this week and all the TV's, even the worst of them were amazing and then some. Sure the +$3000 TV was better than the $500 one. But not as much as the price would suggest anymore. The $500 TV is an embarrassment of riches as is. There really are not a lot of features left for them to offer, any TV will be a great TV now. Except for one feature left behind, passive 3D. Then things get interesting. Because I don't believe anyone that had a 3D TV back then actually had one, it was a prototype (and not a good one) before 2016 LG OLED, just that one year and then they were gone.
@@adamlongawayI have the 65” LG oled 3D tv I love it but wish it was 85-98” lol 😂
Sun-WUUUfer 😜 great review Abby, as always.
Tcl TV screen went dark on me I will never trust that brand ever again
What about C775 C805 or QM8B? It's so confusing T-T
I would wait for next years 2025 qm8 the TV is already out in China as the X11H model
UA-cam it there are Chinese reviews on it but the specs are amazing.
I was thinking of that, but U.S. politics may end up having future TVs from TCL being extremely expensive.
I have the 98” tcl S5 it’s great!!!
I just ordered the 98” TCL qm7 for $2000 at Best Buy and I have 60 days to to return because I have the plus pro membership. It will be delivered next week and should I just return it and wait for next year Black Friday for the 98”qm8?????
I seen the qm7 screen is simi gloss, but I like the all gloss on the qm8 I think the pictures it pops more..
while China TV push boundaries in certain areas, they are lacking in reliability, many TCL Hisense broke down within in 3 years in Chinese forums. They adopt an all and burst design approach.
Falando de brilho e contraste só OLED põe qualquer imagens as mais exigentes com precisão de brilho contraste clareza profundidade etc
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Why do you only refer to the 10% brightness when 100% brightness is what is actually important? This is also reflected in your weird scoring system that has no relation to reality and is inherently OLED biased. Your test images also make no sense. If this TV has an HDR score of 9.7 OLED should be at around 4 with their low brightness and insane ABL issues.
Man, the viewing angles is Achilles heel, it takes me out of it.
I mean, depends how often you sit off to the side of your TV. In most real world situations, it doesn't matter and if I'm THAT off angle, I'm probably not super concerned with the picture quality considering the perspective is already warped. Maybe if you have a lot of parties where people sit close & off the side a bit it could be a problem?
@paulbmiller24 ok imo this tv is best for a big screen theater room or a narrow living room. Of your set up is not that then just save up a little bit more & get a Sony or Samsung, make a better investment.
@@Oscar-sz7sp Agreed, although I would go Sony or LG if you want to splurge, rather than Samsung. In my option, lacking Dolby Vision is a dealbreaker, and Samsung generally have poor out of box accuracy as far as the bigger brands go.
Next year version is gonna have the wide viewing angle technology
Chinese really don't like European money. They give us super bad tvs for much higher price than in America.
I don't understand why you say this, the European version is even better in finish.
@@discodancer2000 maybe just maybe better but price is 2.5 times more expensive...so you(with higher standard of living) have to pay 2200 dollars for 85" version while I have to pay around 5000 USD for the same size.
I paid €1199 for the 65 inch.
@@discodancer2000 how did you buy 65 inch when smallest size is 85 inch for Europe.
@@biber9979The European version of the qm851g is not the c955 as RTINGS claims, here it is the c855 also known as the c81b and the c89b. This tv is available as a 65 inch.
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Official Abby fan club checking in
Get a grip dude…. Not like that
I just follow Rtings due to Abby! ❤
@@godspeedmaximus
I find her funny and charming. I’m sorry you don’t get invited to parties.
@@thatsamazin- I’m too busy raising a family to care about parties 😂
i wish you wouldn't call LCD TVs LED TVs. marketing did a number on the correct nomenclature, same BS with deceiving stuff like "QLED"
great review of courses, just a pet peeve of mine
What is so deceiving about it exactly?? Any new lcd tv made these days have some sort of led backlight system so not sure what your gripe is exactly.
@@theripper121 QLED being VERY close to OLED in name, people now think LED and LCD TVs are different things, its going to get even mor emessy once ACTUAL MicroLED TVs are a thing. It all stems from marketing departments trying to one-up their competetor
With all the reports from bright lights literally frying & breaking the panels of some TV-tests from RTINGS, i'd turn down like 50% of those Sun-powered light TCL model if i'd go with it.
Maybe go back and watch that vid again and this time actually note the specific type of display it effects before spreading misinformation
@@enzopied3015 but it has to affect these TVs too right? If the Q60 is pushing 600 nits and this one 4,000 nits then surely the 4,000 nits is much hotter. If you dim it, then that may be even worse since the heat is contained.
I'm sure the QM8 is not built to the highest standards as evidenced by last year's QM8.
You have to factor lifespan in the price - a TV that does 4,000 nits will certainly not last as long as TV that does 400 nits. Especially with the same cooling as the 400 nit TV. What are the thermals on these things at 4,000 nits?
If the TV has half the lifespan, then its retail price is much higher . Can you even repair a 85-inch TV out of warranty? It's probably cheaper to buy a new one. Also, the headache of a broken TV especially in the living room is a very unwelcome one that I'm sure folks would pay money to avoid.
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No blooper reel? 😢