Hey everyone! I just spoke to my manager and we’ve never done this before, but we are extended the deal on the free likes! Also, Chuck M. Says hi and wants you to know his music sounds much better on a good system than on grocery store speakers. Can confirm. Thanks for watching!
Can you please put on a gray image on the QM8, take a photo of it and crank up the contrast+sharpnes of the photo to see if the tv has vertical lines each 4 inches over the whole panel? My 85c955 has that and I'm wondering if it's on all Tcl mini leds. 😢
@@donnaron41Pulled the trigger on one of those a few months ago after much analysis paralysis, and it definitely suits my personal use case: I’m a 72 yr old recovering audiophile who eschewed all physical media years ago, and doesn’t game, so the “limitations” that some want to gripe about of TVs with only a pair of HDMi2.1 inputs - one being the eARC port, is moot. Add an Apple TV 4K box for better streaming performance than the same apps running on either the TV or cable provider’s player, and I’m a happy camper. Huge improvement over the 7 yr old Vizio 65”
not capable of providing a quality picture😊😊The qm8 has significant glare issues. The 98 inch TVs viewing angle is horrible if you are sitting directly in front of the TV there is no problem if you move to the right or the left even the slightest the picture degrades😮
@@robertmccloy4811- That’s true it’s not an OLED. The QM8 is still a nice tv though based on your needs. If your looking for a nice tv that delivers plenty of HDR punch for nighttime home theater use and your sitting in front of your tv the QM8 looks like it’s tough to beat. I watch a TCL series 8 in my media room and have a Sony OLED in the bedroom. 2 different use case scenarios.
I think you're right; I've had a 55" TV for many years, but when I moved up to a 77" TV I was blown away by how much it enveloped my view and made me more immersed. I mean, what I did was save up and bought the A80k 77" so I got size and quality, but knowing what I know now, for my next TV it will be size first, and quality a close second up to my budget limit. It just makes such a huge difference
I agree! I had a 55" TV LED LCD (Sony X-900F) then I went to a 65" (Sony A90J) and 77" OLED TV's.(Sony A9G). The OLED's really make the difference in terms of picture quality, and gives the viewer a great cinema experience. My home theater is: Denon AVR8500HA and the speakers are: Paradigm Founders Series. (100F, 90c,and the 40B's).
I was in the same situation. Coming from a 75” LG led , was contemplating a 77 “ C3 or the 98” Hisense q7. Ended going for the Hisense and absolutely no regrets , the sheer size makes everything feel so cinematic, and paired with the Sonos arc + era 300, feels fine a mini cinema in my house.
The bad thing of going big is once you have to replace your tv in 20-30 years you gonna have to buy either the same 98” or a better pq 98” witch ouch to the wallet
@@rainblue8005 plus the only people that you could re sell it too are people with lots of room in a big house, you know the people with money and if they have money they rather buy a new fresh tv, then some 10 year old re used tv.
Great video. I have been researching buying a new TV for a master bedroom RENO and I think I have watched every review covering TCL, Hisense, Sony, Samsung ... it's mind boggling really. After watching all the reviews, I had my mind totally set on getting a Sony X90L until I saw Samsung, Sony, Hisense and TCL all in the same aisle at Costco. Three things became crystal clear to me; 1) Screen size jumped to the top of my list so I maxed out the size I could fit into the recessed shelf I built so I opted for a 65" TV (I was originally thinking 55" was more that enough), 2) Brightness over a more refined picture leap to second as despite the Sony having a slightly more realistic picture, the others just looked better, albeit in a bright environment and 3) In reality, I did not have to sacrifice much picture quality to get a bigger screen which is incredibly bright. I opted for a TCL QM8.
I buy based on color gamut, brightness, contrast, budget, viewing angle, etc. Recently I got a 75" TV (costco TCL 75q691f) which just floored me when I walked down the aisle and it went onsale (in-store only, no delivery) for $499 for a 75" local-dimming quantum dot TV - amazing! It's for night viewing in a bedroom and I already have a 2000-nits vizio quantum-X so no need to get a miniled eyeburner TV. I feel they are a little bit overhyped since scenes with 1000+ nits come once an hour for 3 seconds in realistic movies ... Having a TV with good DARKNESS is better than having a TV with good BRIGHTNESS !! lol ...
So as someone who sells TV's for a living, most of the time when I see customers debating size over quality we're most often comparing TV's like the 65" Samsung Q80C to a 85" Samsung CU7000 The TV's used in this comparison are way to high end to apply to most average people making buying decisions, considering I sold 213 TV's last year and only one of those was an A95L
True but it's on the low end too you want a Sony 720rez-32 inch for are $300 or a "Off-brand" that is 4krez, 65 inches for again around $300? Personally that's a hard choice as I love sony Bravia's picture but 4k allows for more stuff on screen like windows on PC or game pixels... Also bigger.
GLucente... I was considering the Samsung TU7000 in the 85 inch size for average tv watching and general streaming. Would that be ok in your book? Or do the Samsung 77 inch S89c OLED? BTW, I presently have a Samsung 65inch CU7000 tweaked out and rather satisfied with it just looking to go bigger... Quality vs Size? ADVISE! Thanks!!
You eventually stop fully appreciating the 10-20% improvement in picture quality, but you’ll never stop appreciating the 100% increase in viewing area. I love my LG C2 65” at 6.5ft viewing distance, but it often occurs to me that I sure wouldn’t mind if it was bigger.
But the viewing area isn't increased by 100% in common scenarios. That's like going from a 50' TV to a 71' one. That's unrealistic. Most people won't be able to choose between a 65' and 98' TV, like in the video. The difference is usually lower. Look, if I have to choose between a 20% improvement in quality or size, I'd choose size. But often, you'll be facing the forward question: "Do I get a 65' QLED or a 55' OLED?" In my opinion, the picture quality jump is way higher than the literal 20% more size in this given scenario (if you're not in a huge space, honestly). If the difference is higher than that, the 75' TV is probably way worse than a 65', which is already worse than a 55' OLED.
And in my personal experience, I got an 65' Q80B TV and after one weak, it started to look pretty normal sized. So... size is only impactful when it's really big. But I tell you this: every time I watch something in my friends house, I can easily tell how washed the colors are, or how inaccurate the HDR tone mapping was. I only mind the size for the first 10 minutes, but the quality is always perceptible. In my TV, for exemple, the spider-man (homecoming) was shinning. In my friends' TV, he looked so washed. And I still don't have an OLED. In the future, the difference will be even higher. It's hard to let go true blacks when you see it for the first time.
Eventually you get use to the size and think it’s small. I remember the days when a 50” tv was a big screen and you were special if you had one. Now a 50” tv is classified as small. For me I pick the right size for the location my tv will be. My gaming tv is 50” I could have gone bigger but I sit relatively close so the 50” tv it’s big and gives off a great experience when gaming. My living room tv where I use it mostly to watch movies is 55” and I sit a little farther back and it’s also a good experience I am thinking of upgrading to 65” for the living room but for now 55” is fine. I think people go big because they think it’s better but it all depends on the size of the room and how far away you sit from the tv.
@@ryans413 for what it’s worth, I went from a 55” at an 8.5 foot viewing distance to a 65” at a 6.5 foot viewing distance in my living room, by all accounts a much better viewing experience for my movies and gaming, but dang do I sometimes wish I’d gone with a 75” instead.
@@alef3356 This is incorrect and not how tv sizes work. A 65' TV is 40% bigger than a 55' TV, and a 100' TV is 300% bigger than a 50' TV. Remember, TV sizes don't measure the area, but rather the diagonal distance of the TV.
Completely agree. Just upgraded from my 2015 65 led to a 85 led because I moved to a larger apartment. For tvs, screen size is critical for that immersion when playing games and watching movies
Went bigger TV and have zero regrets. TVS in general look really good now and without the even better looking TV sitting right next to the bigger screen you won’t miss it when it’s gone.
Ditto. Initially bought the 77" LG C2 last year but it didn't look appreciably bigger than our previous 70" TV. Took the C2 back and am much happier with our 85" Sony x90K. Of course I consider the C2 as "better quality" than the x90K, but it wasn't overwhelmingly better and I enjoy the 85" experience more. Sure, we could've went with the 83" C2 but didn't want to throw that much money at a TV. In short I agree, at the same budget, size trumps picture quality.
@@VidimusWolf I haven't see any QNED/QLED TVs in person yet but if they haven't solved blooming, which they most likely haven't since you need per pixel control over brightness to do it, it's inferior to OLED regardless. I legitimately prefer watching 4k HDR blurays on my 48 C1 than in a theater with raised blacks and dim lights. Besides, who the fck has a room big enough for a 100 inch TV?
@@nhanhoang731 this couldn't be more wrong. OLED is light-years ahead of LCD no matter how you view it. I have a 77" C1 and I wouldn't spend $3000 more for an 83".
In Nov, 2022, I went with both. I upgraded from a 2019 55" 4k Samsung with poor HDR and bad off angle viewing to a 65" LG C1 OLED. Got a pretty good deal because the current model was C2 but spent a lot more than the previous TV cost. I feel like it was well worth the cost. The HDR is great and off angle viewing is amazing and the 10" bigger screen size is nice too. It does feel like since I bought this, screen size norms have skewed way larger in the last year and a half. The C1 is still working like new, so it will probably be a while before it's replaced.
I just recently bought the 65 inch LG C3 Oled, both for picture quality and gaming experience. Best $1,700 I’ve ever spent. My mom just bought the 55 inch Sony A75L Oled and she loves it
Thank you for being honest. Unless something is so bad it takes you out of the experience, the media you consume should be taking you somewhere else anyway. Proof? Film in the theater. No one ever complains about the bad picture quality in a theater yet TVs have long surpassed them.
I complain about theater picture quality because it's quite often shit even in reputable theaters around me. Blacks are always gray, there's no HDR for highlights to pop, and it's just not a great picture aside from the size. LCDs have a lot of flaws that ARE immersion breaking and can take you out if you have a discerning eye.
One thing to be considered though is viewing distance vs fatigue. Moving your eyes and even head back and forth all the time like you would sitting close up in a movie theater is fatiguing even though you are being enveloped by the giant screen. That's why most people sit towards the middle and even back rows. I have a 65" LG C2 and my viewing distance is about 9' away. I could probably appreciate a 77" but for now that 65" is perfect. I also grew up in a time when our TV's were CRT boxes and there were only 4 or 5 channels to watch.
This is an under-appreciated consideration. Somewhat related, I notice my eyes get more fatigued when I wear contacts vs glasses. Why? Because I can move my eyes in every direction and still see clearly. When my sharp vision is restricted to the "window" of my glasses, I mostly look straight ahead.
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
@@9to5techs I just upgraded to a 75" and am really enjoying the TV. No real fatigue that I notice. I do move my eyes around a little bit but not my head. You could do an 85 and really appreciate it. Complete theater like experience.
I was recently in the same boat, bigger vs better. I was deciding between the 75" Hisense U8K MiniLED and the 65" LG C3 Oled. I wish this video was out when I was making this decision. Ultimately I went with the 75" U8K and have zero regrets. It's not perfect, but it's very close. We have watched more movies and TV recently than ever before for the past few weeks. Previous TV was a 50" Panasonic Plasma, so moving to LCD technology had me worried, but so glad I did.
I completely agree. I also dont think oled is as perfect as I thought it was before I got one(s90c 77”), the infinite contrast between a dark background and a bright object has blooming anyways (because of my eyes, not the tv). So i think for the future ill go for a bigger tv with dimming zones, if theyre still a thing.
@@TVEXPERT.Co.lo that won’t change a thing as Sony uses the same panel as the Samsung just better processing as he says the blooming is just due to his eyes
I will say- having had oleds and qleds (qn90a) I couldn’t love the qleds as much I ended up replacing it with another oled. It is not just the blacks the contrast is noticeably better and the blooming on letds are much worse and distracting to my eyes that are now user to oled. albeit my qled wasjt 85 inches or 98 maybe in that case i would have been more impressed. i also think it depends oj your virwing distance at 10 feet 77 is great 85 would be even better but 77 is large enough
Ambient light affects things as well. I’m fortunate enough to have a movie room with no windows and have had OLEDs and LCD screens. With LCDs, dark scenes really do look grey at times while OLED blacks are really black.
This past Black Friday,I was in the market for a new TV. I was replacing an old Samsung 55" and wanted something bigger and better. I was looking at two Sony TV's,a 65" X93L and a 75" X90L,both for exactly the same price. I went with the 75" X90L and couldn't be happier.
@@stand.6008 And that's why I went bigger,but not too big. For my condo,anything bigger than 75" wouldn't work. It's just too big and I'd be sitting too close for that size. 65" would've still been nice,but then in a year or two,I would probably regret not getting the 75".
@@weaslepopper I get it. My OLED's are 48 and 55 inches....great tv's, but my wife watches tv like 15 hours a day, so I'm too scared to have a giant OLED in the living room with that much usage. LOL
I have rarely gone to a movie theatre and at the end complained about the projection quality even if at first I noticed imperfections in the screen and motion handling issues as once your immersed in largest screen that covers your whole line of vision you immediately are engaged in the movie watching experience. If practical why not mimic that size in the home that fills the majority of your vision.
This is exactly what I do with my 55 inch LG OLED. Recommended viewing distance for the TV of that size at 4k is about 1,5-1,7m and at that distance it basically covers your entire field of view. I don't need a bigger TV for that. Just sit closer. This is why I think this video is pointless, because viewing distance is constant, only TV size changes, so it's obvious you want a bigger TV in that case.
@@ukaszp2333 I think many people who are upgrading from 1080P and have the same sitting distance may enjoy a larger screen size as you can benefit from the resolution upgrade portion if it wasn't filling you line of sight vision prior but to some people they have constraints like above a fire place or recessed/built in location for it to go but many solutions for wall mounting have become very viable in most situations to fit a tv without much remodeling required for a larger tv to site more or less center in the older location.
@@ukaszp2333 Another way is to mount your TV on a swivel that can extend out a few feet and then when watching critical content like movies you extend the arm out so the TV looks huge. I'd rather get a high end OLED on a swivel than some giant 98" TV that is going to be a massive PIA to get rid of in the future.
I have a 55 inch OLED, and an 85 inch FALD. Yes, the picture on the OLED is probably better, but I would never trade finite picture quality improvement for the immersion from as big of a TV as you can fit!
100% agree with you, I have a LG C1 OLED 77 inch in my Master Bedroom, recently bought the TCL QM8 85 inch (after watching your glowing reviews, thank you) in my guestroom and honestly my OLED is never used now. I even just ordered the Hisense 100 inch U8K for my living room, $2999 is too good to pass up for the size/performance. love your channel by the way.
I was just in that boat for the last few weeks. I was torn between the 65" LG G3 or the 77" LG C3 due to them being priced the same at $2299. So, after weeks of stressing myself out I decided to go to BestBuy and I was blown away by the 77" LG G3 (which was not an option for me). After a few more days for thinking about it I thought to myself F it, I'm getting the 77" LG G3. Ordered it on Greentoe for $2999 out the door with a 5 years warranty that includes Burn in protection for a total of $3288.99! Should arrive next week or so 😁.
LP66177, I hope that you have the BEST of luck in enjoying your new 77" OLED!! But you shouldn't need luck as the OLED will give you GREAT picture quality, as you're amazed by the OLED's ultra deep blacks! 3 years ago I bought a 77" Sony OLED after spending years saving the money to buy it, a Denon 7.1 channel AVR, and the excellent Panasonic UB-820 UHD 4k Blu-ray player. Not bad for someone with a yearly Social Security income of $26,000 between my wife & myself, & no pensions. Anyway, it took 5 years to build up the funds needed, especially since the Sony Master Series OLED was $4,000, even after a BB price cut from $4,500 because the new Sony OLEDs had come out. Long story short, though my Mrs had never been particularly critical in preferring the PQ of one TV vs. another during in-store comparisons, after tweaking the new TV, I asked her to come down to the basement to catch a scene from the Blu-ray of Gravity which was playing in our modest sized (& Dark) theater room. And that scene INSTANTLY turned my Mrs into a true fan of fine picture quality! The OLED's stunning deep black level made the void of space in Gravity appear much more realistic than my Mrs & I had ever seen space look before on any of our TVs, though the best TV we then used was the same 58" Panasonic plasma model that was unanimously named the "King of TVs" by all 30 professional TV calibrators & reviewers who judged the Flat Panel Shoot Out that occurred over two days in September 2010 at Value Electronics, of Scarsdale, New York. Yup, as my wife's jaw nearly hit the floor within a second of her 1st seeing how space looked in Gravity on the 77" OLED, I immediately knew that all of that scrimping & saving had really been worth 100% of all that trouble which it took to get the TV!
I just picked up a 65" A95L (shopping against the 77" A80L) and I have no regrets: I much appreciate how bright the picture is with all my blinds open (coming from a 55" A8F).
I’m in a similar dilemma. I’m between a 65” A95L and an 83” A80L. What’s your opinion on my situation and what’s your experience been like since posting your original comment? I’m definitely more of a video enthusiast kind of person, but the bigger size is tempting…
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
This was a fun watch for sure! The only things that I might contend are that most of us aren't considering a 65" versus a 98" set, more likely we are deciding between either a 55" or 65" set, or 65" versus 75". Also not high-tier TV's like the QM8 and A95L although that would be nice if it were a serious consideration! Especially here in Canada where prices are much higher.
Getting older! When I was in my '30s I would have gone for the higher quality refined picture of the smaller TV, but in my '50s with my eyesight not as good as it was when I was younger, I have chosen to go with a much larger TV. It really makes a difference when you lose that 20/20 vision! Probably not something you're factoring in giving your age.
This was a GREAT video. Thank you for making it. I agonized over this decision just a few months ago and chose the best PQ I felt I could get for my budget and, being partial to Sony, went with the Sony Bravia X93L. And I am super pleased with it. I pretty much knew I’d choose PQ over screen size but seriously considered some larger screens around the same price. But I could not let go the PQ. And having had a Sony LED tv before, I knew what I’d be getting. Always appreciate your content and the production value you bring. All the best.
Good points. My gf and only have a one bedroom so we opted for a 65" Sony for the living room and a 55" LG OLED for the bedroom. I sometimes wish our living room TV was 77" as we still have a good amount of space on both sides of the wall but the Sony was just purchased last Fall so perhaps next upgrade.
This is years of experience speaking from Caleb because I think he is right. How many of us purchase an iPhone Pro over the base model when we know we will never even come close to using the pro model’s performance or features. From my experience If I watched a lot of TV. As in if I were a daily TV watcher I would choose quality over size. But I am and always have been someone who only gets to watch 1-2 times a week and I 100% agree with Caleb. Size is more important then because nothing beats that experience.
For me screen size will always be my choice above quality, however I still do want quality. For my media room, 85" was a large as I could go due to window placement (and my wife vetoing any bigger that would overlap windows) and based upon your recommendations when I purchased a new TV earlier this year, I went with the 85" QM8, and I have not regretted it at all. Great looking TV, fits the space perfectly, and wonderful for gaming. Also added the Vizio m512a-h6 soundbar to my setup (again based on your vids) and I couldn't be happier with my new setup. Thanks for all you do, your channel is now my go to for audio/video equipment.
I bought my Sony 77" OLED because, 1) I wanted outstanding processing/upscaling. 2) Even the mild blooming on my 950H was driving me nuts. 3) It was the largest Sony OLED that was within my price range. Well over half a year later and I am still absolutely pleased with my purchase.
@@steveludwig4200 The A80L was just hitting stores when I bought the A80K. Aside from the L being more expensive since it just launched, I'm not a huge fan of the XR Clear Image, so the K was a better choice for me.
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
I compromised and am quite happy. Had a budget of ~$2500, and bought the 77" s90c for $2450 all in. A big quality upgrade from the 75" Vizio M75-E1 Ive had for ~6 years.
KK-ef1ow, I think you made a GREAT choice, as the OLED will give you absolutely terrific PQ, as its stunning black level ability will bowl over all of your friends and family members, especially in presenting movies or shows with scenes in space. Just 3 years ago I paid $4,000 (plus tax) for a 77" Sony OLED, so you just bought yourself an OLED of VERY high quality, at a bargain price, & also got a good size!
Yep, I just installed a Samsung 85" cu 7000 on the wall. Cost per size is incredible now. I'm not a gamer, and the motion in sports works just fine for me.
I just received my 85" QN90C that I ordered yesterday. I had this very dilemma, do I go with a 77" OLED or an 85" not-OLED. I am very happy I went with the 85". Its amazing and feels very immersive in my media room, far more then our 65" OLEDs we have in other rooms. The size is so impactful.
This is certainly something I'm working on figuring out with my setup. I'll probably be sitting about 10 to 10.5 feet from the screen based on my measurements. So I've been eyeing the 4k 75' to 85' TVs like the A95L, Bravia 9, and G4. But it's also being hooked up to an PC, so it will have a lot of frequent static UI elements on screen as well.. Figuring out my audio needs is difficult as well, as my room isn't huge, but I live in an apartment complex with neighbors below and beside me.. Spending $3000 to $5000 on a TV isn't an issue. But a high end $2000 to $4000 audio setup would be a waste in my current situation. I think I kinda settled on probably getting the Klipsch 5.1 Theater speaker bundle on Amazon along with a decent $300-$400 AV receiver. About the most affordable step up I can piece together, versus something like the Logitech Z906 surround. About double the price, but I'm gaining about double the audio quality as well. But still under $1000 overall. A lot of research involved doing a full setup lol..
Caleb, I’ve had the same experience as you. I started out with a 65” LG OLED and went to a 77” Sony A80J OLED. Still felt too small from 8 ft away so I got a 120” screen with a LG HU85LA UST projector but the black levels and contrast for movies just wasn’t to my standards. I finally went to a 98” TCL QM8. Is it the picture quality as good as the Sony A80J? No, but it is 90% of the way there, still has almost-OLED inky blacks, and I feel more immersed, and way happier with my overall experience!
Hey Caleb, great video! Just a quick question if you don’t mind, if you had the choice between an 85” TCL Q7, a 75” Hisense U8K, or 65” Samsung S90C for a dedicated TV / Movie room (no gaming) with full light control, what would you go with? Seating position is 7’ away. I already have a 42” LG C3 and 27” Alienware 1440p 360hz QD OLED monitor for my desk setup, and don’t want to be disappointed with this tv purchase after experiencing the eye candy that is OLED. Do you think I’ve already spoiled myself by experiencing OLED and need to stick with it now to avoid buyers remorse? Thank you either way if you reply or not, love the content!
Hi Quinn! Thanks for the superchat! The U8K is probably going to get you closest to OLED in terms of black levels and overall contrast. I also feel like it is a nice compromise between screen size and performance for you, considering your viewing distance. You could go larger, but while the TCL Q7 is an excellent TV for the price, its backlight and local dimming system isn't as high-performance as the Hisense U8K. The Samsung S90C is indeed a very nice TV, but I don't feel its performance is so much dramatically better than the U8K that it's worth giving up on that much screen real estate -- again, trying to come up with the best compromise for you, here. I do think you'll be impressed with how the U8K comes off as very "OLED-like" in terms of it black levels and contrast -- it does a good job of mitigating halo and blooming. However, at the end of the day, none of these are OLED TVs and, to some varying degree, fall short of the same exact wow factor an OLED can provide. I don't think you'll AT ALL be disappointed in how the U8K looks -- quite the opposite -- but I always caution folks that have fallen in love with OLED to temper their expectations a little bit, because only the pixel level dimming in OLED -- and at a larger, much less-available, and way, way more expensive level, micro-LED -- can produce the kind of image you get from your G3 and Alienware displays.
This is sort of what I did. I put an 83" C3 in the family room where we actually watch the most TV, and a 100" Hisense U8K in the "theater" room. As Sammy Hagar said, it's the best of both worlds.
Yeah, because 83 inches is so small 😂. 55 inch is the biggest I could fit into the alcove in my living room (smaller houses and less open planayoits here in the UK) so I focus on picture quality for price. That's why I went for an LG G3 (the Sony was too expensive).
@@benpascall4297 My house has an alcove as well. I hate them. Ended up putting shelving/cabinets in the alcove and mounting my TV above the fireplace that's next to the alcove. The alcove now has all the AV equipment on the shelves and cabinets for stuff on the bottom. TV is a bit too high for my liking but at least it's bigger than what could fit in the alcove. Need to get one of those mounts that pull down in front of the fireplace, then it would be perfect.
I'm looking at that 83" C3 for my living room as well to replace a 70" vizio. My big "TV" is also in my living room, but it's a 4k laser projector on 150" screen that goes up and down electronically.
@@dotsmada2855 yeah that's the only option for me, but I hate TVs over fireplaces. Even though it's only a 55' I still paid the best part of £2000 for it, so I couldn't be doing with it being that high. Would rather just have a smaller tv in the alcove.
This was a really great perspective! I’ve had a UST projectors and a 120” screen in my living room for over 5 years now. I don’t think I could even go back to a 100” inch screen. I sit about 12’ away and when watching 21:9 content I wouldn’t mind an even bigger screen. I have a nice QLED in my bedroom. I enjoy the tv but it’s just not the same.
Hey Caleb, Just wanted to let you know that I just got my xr85x95l somewhat based on your review and I LOVE it. The TV may be slightly too big for my space… when it is off! When it is on it is stunning and sort of “matches” the space in the room better because it’s not just a big Black box. I’m happy I didn’t get the 75 even though that was probably the right size for the space. The 85 gives a much more immersive experience.
TCL has not announced any price for the 115 QM89. So what is the bang for the buck. The price doesn’t matter If TCL doesn’t address the significant glare issues, very poor video processing, and horrible viewing angles that the 98 QM8 has.
@@deanwilliams433 Mr Williams, it's sad to say it but your X-mas light analogy is ridiculous! As Brian of Tech Therapy said on that channel, in closely comparing a 98" Samsung 4k TV with a Sony 100" 4k TV, both flat panel units displayed video images that "were sharp as a tack", with all 3 of Brian's fellow testers there (1 of whom is a Pro-calibrator) agreeing that those large panels did NOT exhibit ANY of the picture quality softness that some folks have long believed such big 4k TVs would end up displaying. And I've personally talked with Robert A Harris, the world renowned film restoration expert who personally restored such films as "Lawrence of Arabia". "Lawrence" is one of the best looking movies ever shown in a movie theater, providing that a theater screening it was equipped with the special (& hideously expensive) 70 mm film projectors needed to show 70 mm prints of "Lawrence". But over 95% of movie theaters just utilized film projectors that could handle 35 mm film prints, so the vast majority of people only saw prints that had one fourth of the resolution of 70 mm. BTW, more modern good looking films like No Country For Old Men, are unable to come close to having picture quality as fine as that which people saw over 60 years ago with 1962's "Lawrence", because like 99% of wide screen films shot after 1962, "No Country" was only shot on 35 mm film. Now to convert "Lawrence" so projection of that large format film can be done in theaters using digital projectors, the movie's large format negative had to be carefully scanned with the picture info then converted to digital files, and then 4k DCPs (Digital Cinema Package hard drives) could be made from the files, so the state of the art 4k movie projectors utilized in today's theaters could have 4k sources for screening "Lawrence of Arabia". More than about any other living person, Robert A Harris knows exactly just how "Lawrence of Arabia" should look. And Mr Harris wrote on Home Theater Forum that the best 4k Digital projection he's seen of "Lawrence" literally looks AS good as pristine quality 70 mm prints of the film. (or 65 mm if the 5 mm the audio track uses on the edge of the film isn't counted.) Anyway, with 4k digital projection capable of such spectacular quality if even shown on 80 foot screens, Robert A Harris has written that 8k resolution would even be overkill on screens THAT large. Because even sharp eyed people with vision a lot better than 20/20 would have to sit in a movie theater's 1st or 2nd row (where few people are comfortable sitting) to even be able to detect a small difference between a genuine native 4k version of a movie scene, and a native 8k version of the exact same scene. That's why the Hollywood movie studios have ZERO interest in devoting the huge amounts of money required to develop 8k projectors or to finish their movies in 8k. BTW, most of the stadium seating movie theaters of today are designed so that the people sitting in the back row, by the rear wall, are positioned at a distance from the screen which is equal to 3 times the height of the movie screen. Then, some careful testing of people with 20/20 vision proved they couldn't see ANY difference between 2k & 4k resolution at that distance. That explains why well produced Blu-rays (that = 2k) in my collection have looked every bit as good to me with those 2k movie versions, as the same movies look if shown by 4k movie theater projectors, since my wife always insists that we sit in the BACK row, because she doesn't like having people behind us. Anyway, for people to see the finest details that 4k can present in a movie theater, almost all movie fans need to sit in the front third of the auditorium, since by the time people are half way from the screen to the back of the theater, the ability to see small details is already dropping. And Mr Harris told me that 8k resolution at home will offer NO practical visual benefit for home theater fans. He wrote that after I had pointed out that a Best Buy salesman had claimed that an 8k TV could make a lot of the 4k UHD Blu-rays of my collection look sharper than my Sony Master Series 4k OLED can make them look. But since I'd mentioned that the BB sales guy had been talking about comparing a high quality 85 inch 4k TV with a high quality 85 inch 8k TV, Mr Harris tailored his answer to me for that exact situation. And so what Robert A Harris then wrote on Home Theater Forum was that with such screens, 8k may be able to make the images of well produced 4k Blu-rays appear slightly more resolved IF one places his eyes 18 inches from the 85 inch 8k TV's screen. Then Mr Harris made me laugh in ending his answer to me by writing that 1 added benefit that a man like me may gain from viewing an 85 inch 8k TV from such a CLOSE viewing position, is that his face may be warmed by the TV!
@@mrb0775 Dude you wrote all that and you still are wrong. If you see 98" 4k and 98" 8k you will be blind if you cant see the difference at 6-8 feet distance.
I live in a 340 sq.ft. cottage - and the largest TV that will fit is 55" - so it is an easy decision to choose picture quality rather than size. But lately, it appears that some TV manufacturers have started to reserve their best features for models that are available only in sizes 65" and larger, which I think is an unfortunate trend.
it's all personal preference too, I was debating between a 77 inch to 98 inch for my living room which is also in the same space as my kitchen and dining area. I went with the S90C 77inch because it was high quality and wouldn't be drawing so much attention of the room aesthetically when on or off.
Chances are you have an incredible screen in your pocket if you have a somewhat modern flagship smartphone, yet you still sit down to watch shows on your TV at the end of the day. Goes to show which one you prefer too.
I faced this delima in 2017 when I went from a broken 110" PJ to a 75" TV. Should I have bought a 55" top tier TV for 3k or a 75" entry level TV for 3k? I went for the 75" entry level. My advice after having done this is that if you're deciding between one size class, then go with the nicer TV at a smaller size. A 65" higher end screen being better than a 75" mid-level screen. If you're looking at a bigger size gap, like you're deciding between a 65" or an 83" or 85", go with the bigger screen then re-evaluate in five years.
As someone who had I 77” OLED & went to an OLED monitor now as my daily, I disagree. For gaming, too big can cause your eyes to have to physically “move” across the screen. It’s great for seeing enemies at a far distance, but being so big I had to physically move my eyes to look at HUD elements. Don’t have that issue on my QD OLED monitor, and honestly find the colors to be much better on the smaller screen. No issues with seeing enemies at a far distance in BR game types either.
@@TheLazyGamers There is a big difference with regards to viewing distance between a TV one sits 10 feet away from and a monitor one sits 20-30 inches away from. Get the optimal size for the viewing distance and the best TV/monitor for that. Very simply. Always has been. As an example, 32" can bee too much for some as their computer monitor, perfect for others or too small for yet another person. Preference, viewing distance and use case matters. For me I play FPS games on a 32" gaming monitor, and all other games on a 65" TV - which I plan to upgrade sometime soon. It might not be an all out upgrade, but at least in size.
One thing people should be aware though is that dealing with a 98" TV can be a massive PIA if it ever breaks, or you move or you simply want to upgrade your tv in the future. You can't just toss that TV in the trash, you literally have to pay to get it removed if you didn't have a vehicle to haul it yourself let alone needing help. It's a lot easier buying the TV than getting rid of it.
If I were to move, I would be paying for a U-haul that I would be able to load the 98/100 inch anyways, so I fully disagree. I say this as someone who would has tested the X95L against a 98 inch tv and thought the differences in were most certainly worth keeping the X95L instead of the bigger tv@@83442handle
I decided it was time to upgrade my system. Had a 50", 14 y.o. Panasonic plasma. Not a bad picture for the time but not 4K. My wife loved the Panasonic and didn't want to replace it. We compromised on the 65" TCL QM8 which I got for a great sale price ($802). Picture is good after adjustments, better than the Panny, sometimes fantastic, but I wish I had pushed more for the 75". I find myself creeping closer to the TV at times. Happily, my wife isn't complaining about it anymore and I find her turning up the samsung Q990C sound bar to get the subwoofer kick and Dolby Atmos effects. Maybe I upgrade the TV in a couple years... We gave the Panasonic to a young couple after asking around for who could use it. It's better than what they had. Win/Win
To clarify, by fantastic, I mean when the signal is great (SuperBowl) or I am using my 4K Ultra HD player. I can't wait for networks and streaming services to catch up to our TVs. I'm sure the Sony TV processes the picture better but it's a lot more $$. I need to live with my wife. LOL
It’s the immersion of a massive screen that’s impossible to communicate to someone that hasn’t experienced it. I used to find myself watching a average film over and over simply because of the awe of the cinema scale in a medium sized room. The plane crash in the film “Knowing “ for example. At 100” plus it’s an event! But on a 65” it’s just …well…nothing.
Great video and I understand your point completely. What was interesting is as I watched especially on the side by sides that I loved the color of the A95L over the QM8. Each time they were showing the same image my eyes always pulled to the colors on the A95L. Seeing as I have no color ability meaning I can tell colors but only to a rudimentary level (the big box of crayons is a waste for me in other words) and yet my eyes are dazzled by OLED displays. I suspect in room in testing like you I would gravitate toward the larger screen because it makes such a difference. When my 77" A80J dies (hopefully in many years) there will be something newer that reproduces color like the A95L and is reasonably priced for 77" and up, only time will tell.
A bigger QLed is definitely better than a smaller Oled. Especially with the modern Qleds they have closed the quality gap soo small that size is what most people are gonna prefer. It’s really amazing how much more immersive an 85 is to a 65in.
I always appreciate your commentary! I'm looking to upgrade the TV in my living room in a few weeks. I think I'm not only getting an upgrade in size (going from 65" to 85") but also picture quality (going from 1080p Vizio from 2016 to a TCL QM8). I just wish that I knew when Apple was going to release their next generation 4K Apple TV. I'm not disposing of my Vizio TV, it's going into my bedroom, where I don't have a TV right now, but will end up leaving my Apple TV with the TCL QM8 until the next Apple TV is released.
I've just made the jump from 55 inch lg oled to 85 inch tcl via mini led - that's from 1298 sq inch to 3090 sq inch. I was feeling slightly nervous about the jump but after watching this I feel emboldened! I can't wait!
For a living room determine what size you're comfortable looking at and then get the best looking model in that size. For a dedicated home theater, a projector and 150" screen gets my attention.
Watching this after seeing a couple of tvs today can get the 82 inch LG for a little less than the LG qned but 65 inch. Before watching this I was leaning to 82 inch and I think that's the way to go Wana be more immersed in what I watch more than how it looks coz after a while ima stop focusing on how it looks Great video thanks alot
Why does it always seems that the TVs I am watching on the video look much better than the tv I am actually using to watch the Video? it makes no sense right? I keep thinking, wow that looks good, look at those colors, I want that. Wait a minute is this screen that is doing that.
I think is worst part of it all is that my monitor is a good one, but not OLED, then I am watching like the Sony Oled panel and saying "wow those blacks are amazing" then, wait a second, those ARE MY MONITOR black
Same situation. i thought I was done with my decision/ research and was sure that I will be getting A80L 65” or 77”. Pass A95L purely on price and was thinking how big the difference could be in PC as compared to A80L vs A95L Walk into Best Buy just to get feel of 65” and 77” Big mistake, they had on display A80L and A95L in top / bottom manner Boy oh boy , what a difference, big difference. Even with my totally not expert eye it was obvious the A95L is clear winner hands down Even BB rep joins me and we both start enjoying the moment, you could clear see on my face , the jaw drop experience. Now I am really confused. Go for A80L or A95L or ignore both and get G3 as really good discount , or ditch all and get G4
I looked at all the TV sizes in the stores, and even though a 65" is a good compromise 85" is just dizzing watching from 2.5m that I do. The 75/77" is the perfect size TV. So instead of going with 65" OLED, that I originally wanted on paper, I went with the 75" LED and I'm 9/10 satisfied.
I went for the best PQ/Size compromise. 77S89C for $1799. 2nd Gen QD OLED for under $2K. A95L isn’t worth an additional $3K to me. Have a 65” A90J in the bedroom. I’m set for a few years - my wife assures me I am under pain of death. Glad to see you rockin a Coke Zero. Good man.
How are you liking that s89c? I am eyeing that one as a possible upgrade for my current CX 77” , I heard good things about it. How does it compare to your A90J?
@@dv5466 A90J still has the upper hand in UA-cam and rougher lower quality content. Sony is the king of extracting detail while reducing macroblocking, but S89C HDR is on another level. And even with SDR, color seems more natural and organic, in FMM or Movie Mode. I’m happy to keep the A90J in my bedroom for night viewing, but the S89C is a better all-arounder since I watch so much HDR programming.
@@davidhart8552 I would have loved the A95L, but not for over $3000 more. Not when the S89C is roughly 85% of the performance. I can deal with Samsung’s slightly worse handling of low-bitrate when most of what I watch now is higher quality.
Boy did you help me determine exactly what you were pondering, except I was considering the 83 inch G4 vs. bigger. I already have a Samsung QN77S90CAFXZA for everyday viewing and was considering the LG G4 for my theater room, or a bigger TV. I looked at a U76N 100 inch at Best Buy and was blown away by the size. I think I will now go for the TCL 98QM851G as I think size does matter for me!
Won't happen this year probably but a Sony 98" X95M , with the new tech coming the 85" should be really good . Maybe the 98" X90M should be as good as last years X95L one hopes . My take a Sony or Panasonic 65" ( I'm not American ) for the bedroom as both those have great sound systems , Panasonic has Atmos . Then a big one for TV lounge with speaker setup . The other point is gaming monitors are getting better , so a fantastic monitor say 36" . power DAC and headphones - you will only be 2 or 3 feet from screen , plus have a powerful PC to process picture , if you look up how to tweak media players , Nvidia is promising SDR to HDR conversions in future , I'm sure other things coming with AI built into new CPUs from AMD and Intel . AS for SDR to HDR , probably for classic movies a light setting boost , not to over do it . Again for classic movies , not really mastered for very dark scenes , so miniLEDS probably good enough
@@nimblegoat I have the Sony X90L in 85”and to be honest, I don’t love it. I have had 3 LG OLED’s and I have the Samsung A95B in my living room currently. From my perspective, the LG’s have been my favorite. This TV will be for a large room that is fairly bright during the day so I need something that can handle high light, which is why I’m leaning miniLED.
@@stock1019 I have no experience of the X90L , seems X95K was a step up and Sony is promising big things this year with the X95M (ie bright , yet blacks will get very close to OLEDs ) , The G4 83" should be a good choice , not 98" - but big for many , especially apartment owners and those with smaller rooms . I'm not american . If you have a big tv lounge, then a 98" won't dominate it , otherwise say a 77" and a projector to go large on the odd occasion. Something I'm thinking about ,least with a 77" or 83" on a very strong arm can be moved around and angled . Plus for movie night as opposed to netflix can bring seating up ,. I'm from NZ the G series is only sold by one store , prices are not great like the latest specials in the States . Think in a few years 98" OLEDs will hit the "affordable" range . Most punters will go for Hisence , TCL or the 90series 98" over a superior 83" or 77" . I actually realised you could answer the question size or quality the other way . If you have LG G3 65" , But you could replace it with a 50" OLED that can to 4000 Nits tone mapping , full BT2020 ( hit high nits in each colour ) , would you swap out the 65" . Part of you would love to see what such a TV will do . But most people can not go smaller , May make this comment directly
Picture quality is most important to me (though I know it also depends a lot on the source)... so I recently went with a 65-inch Sony A95L (a nice step up from an 8-year-old 55-inch LG). In any case, a 77-inch anything would have overwhelmed my space and my minimalist aesthetic. Sure, huge can be great... and if I had a dedicated media room, I'd very likely have gone bigger. But I'm more than satisfied with my choice.
I totally disagree with you I guarantee if you put a puny 65 inch TV in one part of the room with perfect picture quality and a 98 inch TV any other part if you have the room with medium picture quality your eyes will wander to the bigger TV for movies for TV shows especially for sports totally trust me I've seen them side by side this guy is not wrong
Media room? Damn, my 3 bedrooms are 14 m2 (150 sqft), 11 m2 (120 sqft) and 9 m2 (100 sqft). Cannot even think of putting TV's in them! My living is just 22 m2 (236 sqft) and my 42" TV really steals the place over there!
@@richardcerritelli9657so why not just make a giant wall projector on the side of you house? Because at some point you need to consider how your living space is when you’re not watching a show.
This was incredibly helpful to me. Thank you for sharing these thoughts. Your perspective will stick with me not just with my current TV needs but for the future as well. Tis truly the fundamental question.
I searched around and got a Hisense 75" 8K QLED for 1000$ in Malaysia and that was by far the best deal I've ever got in my life, normal 4000$. Average TV size has gone from 40" 20 years ago, to 55 to 65 inches today. Bigger is always better. Trust yourself.
Three years ago, when remodeling our downstairs, I had a choice to make within my budget - Samsung 86" TV or a top model LG NANO90 75" TV. I chose the 75" TV with top picture quality. I'm still totally happy, especially because the Samsung TV doesn't support Dolby Vision. Plus, the LG has a wider viewing angle.
I agree with Caleb. When my friends or family ask me for TV buying advice, I always tell them to start with the size they want and then select the TV with the best picture quality at that size that their budget allows. You can always manage picture quality through calibration or even firmware updates, but you can't change the screen size.
@@Shabiyyahdon't forget about hardware quality. I'd recommend going smaller if it meant getting a more reliable brand. The last thing I'd want is to have to replace a TV after just a year or two because it started having issues.
Thanks a million Caleb for this exceptional channel ❤ I live in the other side of the world (Saudi Arabia) and you made me buy the A95L 77" and this is the best TV I have ever experienced in my whole life 🎉 I paid$5000 for this masterpiece and I don't regret it at all 😅 Kepp it up and waiting for you Sony theater Quad review to buy it next month 😅❤
I've had a 100" projector and it's why I avoid too big TVs. It was so large that I used to get neck cramps every time I used it. Even now, my 55 is too big in my bedroom. I have to a swivel so I can extend the viewing angle.
Went from a 83 Inch Sony A90J to a Samsung 98inch Q80C I'm absolutely over the moon with it! Size trumps quality all day long! Once dialed in, I don't notice much of a difference. I would say. I like the brighter image too! Also, it's soooo immersive!
Very fun video!! Well done! Nailed it!!! I knew you were going to say the large TCL was your choice!! My budget, however, is space not dollars, so I would have to pick the smaller BETTER qd-oled, and I am not sorry at all! My 65” A95K is plenty bright and very immersive in my space.😅
Bigger TV for Home Theater downstairs with big space. Better TV for living room, aka smaller space. If I had an extra bdrm I would've kept my 98" Samsung Q80c. In my 251 sq ft livingroom I use my 77" LG GX.
Man the Samsung Q80 series is an awesome tv. I feel like it gets overlooked. I have an 85 Q80 and just love it. Performs pretty much just as well as the Qn90 series
Just upgraded. Choice was 75” R6, 65” U7 or 55” U8. Bought the 75”… too big and too dim for my room. Returned it and went to another store for the 65” which they didn’t have so went with the 55”. Excellent choice and the quality is fantastic with full array and local dimming. Quality over size…
Back in the day when I sold TVs, I never had a customer come back and wish they got a smaller TV. But it was common for people to come back and wish they had gotten a bigger TV. Only people with the most keen eye can tell the difference in picture quality once you don't have a side by side reference to compare it.
Also, things that you hook up to the TV typically don't require the best picture quality. You'll be editing photos (for example) on your OLED PC screen, not in the living room.
Thanks for your thoughts. Will go with the bigger TV. If I want picture quality, I'll use the monitor on my PC. I also optimize for youtubers, Anime and Game Consoles. Movies are qualitatively so bad that I wouldn't bother having a TV that tries to automagically improves them. I can do all the post-processing on the HTPC anyway. Another question would be: "DIgital Signage" vs. "TV"?
Your TV is only as good as what you put in. You can spend a fortune on a TV with the absolute best picture quality but if your input sources are garbage (cable TV, compressed youtube, OTA TV, streaming services) then you get diminishing returns.
I went for balance. Bought the C3 83” because I wanted OLED but the largest screen possible. The MLA/QD upgrades weren’t worth it for me to go down to 77”.
That's pretty funny because I sit about 10' from my old 2009 46" Samsung 8500 series LED. It's still kicking. No HDR & no 4K. Just 1080. I know anything would be an upgrade. But it still performs well and it's just me watching so... When I visited my folks and watched their 65" from the same distance, I thought that was too big. In close ups, people's heads are disturbingly massive 🤣😂🤣.
Good points. I thought about that too. I decided since I have a fairly small house and living room that the Sony Bravia XR 48 A90K would be perfect. Master Class level and sports and movies look totally awesome on it. I decided on the 48 inch size as the one I replaced was 32 inches which in its time was a large size. 48 inch size looks enormous to me. Bought it two years ago on black friday sales. One of the best available in its size. I thought about going bigger but figured it would be overkill so I got the best available in a mid size. Made sense to me. I can say that two years later I am very very pleased. I have always loved Sony TV's and this one is no exception. The good thing is there's definitely a decent fit for everyone out there ! This was a great video .
I’ve learned so much from watching Caleb‘s videos. I enjoy and appreciate his entertaining expertise. I definitely want to go up from a 55 inch Samsung that’s about 8 years old. I’m thinking 65 or 75 inch mini LED. I’m very interested in the Hisense U8K and the TCL QM8 that Caleb recommends. My concern is how long will they last? How long will the picture quality remain that good? Because Sony and Samsung products have proven that they last because of the overall quality of their product. This uncertainty is the only thing holding me back from purchasing a TCL or Hisense. My budget is more in the Hisense and TCL range. If you ask my wife, my budget is much lower than that. Lol. Thank you again for the continued education! - Ian :)
One thing that's consistently overlooked is pixel density and the contribution that lends to how clean and crisp an image appears. A 4K image on a 50" or 55" screen looks, IMO, much better than one blown up on a 65 or 75" screen. All else being equal (video source, etc...) the image on the smaller screen will appear cleaner and sharper because of the pixel density. And any text or other UI elements will look especially good.
@@OG-Jakey Nah, this is actually incorrect. If you intend to use the screen with any type PC or gaming console use, the display with the denser pixel density will be better. Even moreso since a lot of devs, especially in PC games, use tiny text that gets easily mangled by low pixel density displays. Trust me, it sucks trying to read poorly rendered text from the optical viewing distance of a 65" TV.
@@RicochetForce that's got nothing to do with pixel density and everything to do with the way tvs are made and how pc os interact with the uncommon (for pc) subpixel layout.
@@OG-Jakey That has everything to do with how the use-case (PC use, and how programs are designed with PC monitors in mind) affects the importance of pixel density for the end user. 4K res stretched across a 77" screen looks noticeably worse than on a 50" display. What you gain in size, you lose in density of detail AND if you intend to use it as a PC monitor (or with text heavy games) you have to detail with worse looking text than you'd see on your phone or monitor.
Quality Quality quality!!!! I had to make this decision back in 2019 to get 65 QLED or 75 LED. I never ever regretted !!! You will be appreciated a stunning picture quality Blow you Away you will forget about the fact you got smaller TV.
I'm roughly 10 feet away from the tv. I have a LG 7300 55 inch and am looking to upgrade to the G4. I'm mostly watching 4k movies and am looking for option on the difference between the 65 and 77 inch G4 I am going to add the LG sound bar.
Hey everyone! I just spoke to my manager and we’ve never done this before, but we are extended the deal on the free likes! Also, Chuck M. Says hi and wants you to know his music sounds much better on a good system than on grocery store speakers. Can confirm. Thanks for watching!
Such great news about the extension of the deal!! My regards to Chuck!!!
Hope one day you review the LG B series 77 inch love to hear what u have to say sound is amazing on wall
I only buy BSeries and watch your videos all the time never see you do one review just asking
Can you please put on a gray image on the QM8, take a photo of it and crank up the contrast+sharpnes of the photo to see if the tv has vertical lines each 4 inches over the whole panel? My 85c955 has that and I'm wondering if it's on all Tcl mini leds. 😢
@@donnaron41Pulled the trigger on one of those a few months ago after much analysis paralysis, and it definitely suits my personal use case: I’m a 72 yr old recovering audiophile who eschewed all physical media years ago, and doesn’t game, so the “limitations” that some want to gripe about of TVs with only a pair of HDMi2.1 inputs - one being the eARC port, is moot.
Add an Apple TV 4K box for better streaming performance than the same apps running on either the TV or cable provider’s player, and I’m a happy camper.
Huge improvement over the 7 yr old Vizio 65”
For me, it’s clear that I want a tv that fits the space first, then the best quality I can afford
Yep, not everyone has the room for a 98” behemoth in their living room 👍🏻👍🏻
Less than 10% of homes have the space and viewing distance necessary for a 98" TV.
I love the thoughtful phrasing of this. Well said.
not capable of providing a quality picture😊😊The qm8 has significant glare issues. The 98 inch TVs viewing angle is horrible if you are sitting directly in front of the TV there is no problem if you move to the right or the left even the slightest the picture degrades😮
@@robertmccloy4811- That’s true it’s not an OLED. The QM8 is still a nice tv though based on your needs. If your looking for a nice tv that delivers plenty of HDR punch for nighttime home theater use and your sitting in front of your tv the QM8 looks like it’s tough to beat. I watch a TCL series 8 in my media room and have a Sony OLED in the bedroom. 2 different use case scenarios.
I think you're right; I've had a 55" TV for many years, but when I moved up to a 77" TV I was blown away by how much it enveloped my view and made me more immersed. I mean, what I did was save up and bought the A80k 77" so I got size and quality, but knowing what I know now, for my next TV it will be size first, and quality a close second up to my budget limit. It just makes such a huge difference
I agree! I had a 55" TV LED LCD (Sony X-900F) then I went to a 65" (Sony A90J) and 77" OLED TV's.(Sony A9G). The OLED's really make the difference in terms of picture quality, and gives the viewer a great cinema experience. My home theater is: Denon AVR8500HA and the speakers are: Paradigm Founders Series. (100F, 90c,and the 40B's).
Serioud question. Why not a 83? Is it too big for the space or the crazy prices?@@avg0062
You do no need a 77 inch TV unless you live in a mansion. Just look up optimum viewing disances
I was in the same situation. Coming from a 75” LG led , was contemplating a 77 “ C3 or the 98” Hisense q7. Ended going for the Hisense and absolutely no regrets , the sheer size makes everything feel so cinematic, and paired with the Sonos arc + era 300, feels fine a mini cinema in my house.
The bad thing of going big is once you have to replace your tv in 20-30 years you gonna have to buy either the same 98” or a better pq 98” witch ouch to the wallet
@@gsst6389In 20-30 years I would sure hope that even oled is "cheap" and super available at 90-120+ inches, maybe even new technologies aswell.
You're never getting 20 years out of that brand!
@@gsst6389 lol thats kinda true and it hurts. Probably 98" in 2045 will cost double
@@rainblue8005 plus the only people that you could re sell it too are people with lots of room in a big house, you know the people with money and if they have money they rather buy a new fresh tv, then some 10 year old re used tv.
Dude I was just debating this the other week. Are you in my head?!?! This is perfect timing!!!
Ya Dude
Exactly the dilemma I had. I think Caleb is inside my head too :D
Great video. I have been researching buying a new TV for a master bedroom RENO and I think I have watched every review covering TCL, Hisense, Sony, Samsung ... it's mind boggling really. After watching all the reviews, I had my mind totally set on getting a Sony X90L until I saw Samsung, Sony, Hisense and TCL all in the same aisle at Costco. Three things became crystal clear to me; 1) Screen size jumped to the top of my list so I maxed out the size I could fit into the recessed shelf I built so I opted for a 65" TV (I was originally thinking 55" was more that enough), 2) Brightness over a more refined picture leap to second as despite the Sony having a slightly more realistic picture, the others just looked better, albeit in a bright environment and 3) In reality, I did not have to sacrifice much picture quality to get a bigger screen which is incredibly bright. I opted for a TCL QM8.
I buy based on color gamut, brightness, contrast, budget, viewing angle, etc. Recently I got a 75" TV (costco TCL 75q691f) which just floored me when I walked down the aisle and it went onsale (in-store only, no delivery) for $499 for a 75" local-dimming quantum dot TV - amazing! It's for night viewing in a bedroom and I already have a 2000-nits vizio quantum-X so no need to get a miniled eyeburner TV. I feel they are a little bit overhyped since scenes with 1000+ nits come once an hour for 3 seconds in realistic movies ... Having a TV with good DARKNESS is better than having a TV with good BRIGHTNESS !! lol ...
So as someone who sells TV's for a living, most of the time when I see customers debating size over quality we're most often comparing TV's like the 65" Samsung Q80C to a 85" Samsung CU7000
The TV's used in this comparison are way to high end to apply to most average people making buying decisions, considering I sold 213 TV's last year and only one of those was an A95L
Yeah starting the TV comparison at $3,000 is a bit much.
True but it's on the low end too you want a Sony 720rez-32 inch for are $300 or a "Off-brand" that is 4krez, 65 inches for again around $300? Personally that's a hard choice as I love sony Bravia's picture but 4k allows for more stuff on screen like windows on PC or game pixels... Also bigger.
GLucente... I was considering the Samsung TU7000 in the 85 inch size for average tv watching and general streaming. Would that be ok in your book? Or do the Samsung 77 inch S89c OLED? BTW, I presently have a Samsung 65inch CU7000 tweaked out and rather satisfied with it just looking to go bigger... Quality vs Size? ADVISE! Thanks!!
Haha yeah I was just trying to decide from a 75u7n and a 65u8n. Both 899.99 right now.
You eventually stop fully appreciating the 10-20% improvement in picture quality, but you’ll never stop appreciating the 100% increase in viewing area. I love my LG C2 65” at 6.5ft viewing distance, but it often occurs to me that I sure wouldn’t mind if it was bigger.
But the viewing area isn't increased by 100% in common scenarios. That's like going from a 50' TV to a 71' one. That's unrealistic. Most people won't be able to choose between a 65' and 98' TV, like in the video. The difference is usually lower.
Look, if I have to choose between a 20% improvement in quality or size, I'd choose size. But often, you'll be facing the forward question:
"Do I get a 65' QLED or a 55' OLED?" In my opinion, the picture quality jump is way higher than the literal 20% more size in this given scenario (if you're not in a huge space, honestly).
If the difference is higher than that, the 75' TV is probably way worse than a 65', which is already worse than a 55' OLED.
And in my personal experience, I got an 65' Q80B TV and after one weak, it started to look pretty normal sized. So... size is only impactful when it's really big.
But I tell you this: every time I watch something in my friends house, I can easily tell how washed the colors are, or how inaccurate the HDR tone mapping was. I only mind the size for the first 10 minutes, but the quality is always perceptible. In my TV, for exemple, the spider-man (homecoming) was shinning. In my friends' TV, he looked so washed. And I still don't have an OLED. In the future, the difference will be even higher. It's hard to let go true blacks when you see it for the first time.
Eventually you get use to the size and think it’s small. I remember the days when a 50” tv was a big screen and you were special if you had one. Now a 50” tv is classified as small. For me I pick the right size for the location my tv will be. My gaming tv is 50” I could have gone bigger but I sit relatively close so the 50” tv it’s big and gives off a great experience when gaming. My living room tv where I use it mostly to watch movies is 55” and I sit a little farther back and it’s also a good experience I am thinking of upgrading to 65” for the living room but for now 55” is fine. I think people go big because they think it’s better but it all depends on the size of the room and how far away you sit from the tv.
@@ryans413 for what it’s worth, I went from a 55” at an 8.5 foot viewing distance to a 65” at a 6.5 foot viewing distance in my living room, by all accounts a much better viewing experience for my movies and gaming, but dang do I sometimes wish I’d gone with a 75” instead.
@@alef3356 This is incorrect and not how tv sizes work. A 65' TV is 40% bigger than a 55' TV, and a 100' TV is 300% bigger than a 50' TV. Remember, TV sizes don't measure the area, but rather the diagonal distance of the TV.
Completely agree. Just upgraded from my 2015 65 led to a 85 led because I moved to a larger apartment. For tvs, screen size is critical for that immersion when playing games and watching movies
Went bigger TV and have zero regrets. TVS in general look really good now and without the even better looking TV sitting right next to the bigger screen you won’t miss it when it’s gone.
Ditto. Initially bought the 77" LG C2 last year but it didn't look appreciably bigger than our previous 70" TV. Took the C2 back and am much happier with our 85" Sony x90K. Of course I consider the C2 as "better quality" than the x90K, but it wasn't overwhelmingly better and I enjoy the 85" experience more. Sure, we could've went with the 83" C2 but didn't want to throw that much money at a TV. In short I agree, at the same budget, size trumps picture quality.
Nah, OLEDs stomp on LCD and the difference is enormous with HDR especially. I didn't know how big of a difference it was until I got one.
@@omarcomming722 dude, the difference between OLED and the newer QNED/QLEDs is seriously silly compared to the difference between 65 to 98 inches.
@@VidimusWolf I haven't see any QNED/QLED TVs in person yet but if they haven't solved blooming, which they most likely haven't since you need per pixel control over brightness to do it, it's inferior to OLED regardless. I legitimately prefer watching 4k HDR blurays on my 48 C1 than in a theater with raised blacks and dim lights.
Besides, who the fck has a room big enough for a 100 inch TV?
@@nhanhoang731 this couldn't be more wrong. OLED is light-years ahead of LCD no matter how you view it. I have a 77" C1 and I wouldn't spend $3000 more for an 83".
In Nov, 2022, I went with both. I upgraded from a 2019 55" 4k Samsung with poor HDR and bad off angle viewing to a 65" LG C1 OLED. Got a pretty good deal because the current model was C2 but spent a lot more than the previous TV cost. I feel like it was well worth the cost. The HDR is great and off angle viewing is amazing and the 10" bigger screen size is nice too. It does feel like since I bought this, screen size norms have skewed way larger in the last year and a half. The C1 is still working like new, so it will probably be a while before it's replaced.
I just recently bought the 65 inch LG C3 Oled, both for picture quality and gaming experience. Best $1,700 I’ve ever spent. My mom just bought the 55 inch Sony A75L Oled and she loves it
Thank you for being honest. Unless something is so bad it takes you out of the experience, the media you consume should be taking you somewhere else anyway.
Proof? Film in the theater. No one ever complains about the bad picture quality in a theater yet TVs have long surpassed them.
Actually I do complain about the picture quality in movie theatres!!😀
I complain about theater picture quality because it's quite often shit even in reputable theaters around me. Blacks are always gray, there's no HDR for highlights to pop, and it's just not a great picture aside from the size.
LCDs have a lot of flaws that ARE immersion breaking and can take you out if you have a discerning eye.
I agree. But I do complain about the crappy projectors in movie theaters 😂.
But some movies are still best experienced in a theater.
Once you watch IMAX there's no going back.
One thing to be considered though is viewing distance vs fatigue. Moving your eyes and even head back and forth all the time like you would sitting close up in a movie theater is fatiguing even though you are being enveloped by the giant screen. That's why most people sit towards the middle and even back rows. I have a 65" LG C2 and my viewing distance is about 9' away. I could probably appreciate a 77" but for now that 65" is perfect. I also grew up in a time when our TV's were CRT boxes and there were only 4 or 5 channels to watch.
This is an under-appreciated consideration. Somewhat related, I notice my eyes get more fatigued when I wear contacts vs glasses. Why? Because I can move my eyes in every direction and still see clearly. When my sharp vision is restricted to the "window" of my glasses, I mostly look straight ahead.
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
Sorry about your life...
For 9 ft viewing distance the optimum size is something like 40 inches.
@@9to5techs I just upgraded to a 75" and am really enjoying the TV. No real fatigue that I notice. I do move my eyes around a little bit but not my head. You could do an 85 and really appreciate it. Complete theater like experience.
I was recently in the same boat, bigger vs better. I was deciding between the 75" Hisense U8K MiniLED and the 65" LG C3 Oled. I wish this video was out when I was making this decision. Ultimately I went with the 75" U8K and have zero regrets. It's not perfect, but it's very close. We have watched more movies and TV recently than ever before for the past few weeks. Previous TV was a 50" Panasonic Plasma, so moving to LCD technology had me worried, but so glad I did.
LCD are getting better , plasmas were good for the time .
I’m in a similar boat considering among these models and sizes. This is helpful to hear, thank you!
Agreed. Size is more important
Neither, 83" G4 is the answer
@@divertitiuntil you have a burn in on your screen
I completely agree. I also dont think oled is as perfect as I thought it was before I got one(s90c 77”), the infinite contrast between a dark background and a bright object has blooming anyways (because of my eyes, not the tv). So i think for the future ill go for a bigger tv with dimming zones, if theyre still a thing.
You should've got Sony or LG OLED.
@@TVEXPERT.Co.lo that won’t change a thing as Sony uses the same panel as the Samsung just better processing as he says the blooming is just due to his eyes
I will say- having had oleds and qleds (qn90a) I couldn’t love the qleds as much I ended up replacing it with another oled. It is not just the blacks the contrast is noticeably better and the blooming on letds are much worse and distracting to my eyes that are now user to oled.
albeit my qled wasjt 85 inches or 98 maybe in that case i would have been more impressed.
i also think it depends oj your virwing distance at 10 feet 77 is great 85 would be even better but 77 is large enough
Ambient light affects things as well. I’m fortunate enough to have a movie room with no windows and have had OLEDs and LCD screens. With LCDs, dark scenes really do look grey at times while OLED blacks are really black.
@@cestseb We are few, but I'm also on team WOLED. I had the Alienware QD-OLED and just was not impressed as I was with my LG CX.
This past Black Friday,I was in the market for a new TV. I was replacing an old Samsung 55" and wanted something bigger and better. I was looking at two Sony TV's,a 65" X93L and a 75" X90L,both for exactly the same price. I went with the 75" X90L and couldn't be happier.
75 inch compared to a 65 inch tv is night and day.
@@stand.6008 And that's why I went bigger,but not too big. For my condo,anything bigger than 75" wouldn't work. It's just too big and I'd be sitting too close for that size. 65" would've still been nice,but then in a year or two,I would probably regret not getting the 75".
@@weaslepopper I get it. My OLED's are 48 and 55 inches....great tv's, but my wife watches tv like 15 hours a day, so I'm too scared to have a giant OLED in the living room with that much usage. LOL
I think Sony's are pretty special. Love em !!!
Bought a 65” lg g2 about a year ago. Absolutely love it.
Size over quality, but there are many variables including budget, max/min size, perceived value. Literally maximizing both of these is my goal.
I have rarely gone to a movie theatre and at the end complained about the projection quality even if at first I noticed imperfections in the screen and motion handling issues as once your immersed in largest screen that covers your whole line of vision you immediately are engaged in the movie watching experience. If practical why not mimic that size in the home that fills the majority of your vision.
This is exactly what I do with my 55 inch LG OLED. Recommended viewing distance for the TV of that size at 4k is about 1,5-1,7m and at that distance it basically covers your entire field of view. I don't need a bigger TV for that. Just sit closer. This is why I think this video is pointless, because viewing distance is constant, only TV size changes, so it's obvious you want a bigger TV in that case.
@@ukaszp2333 I think many people who are upgrading from 1080P and have the same sitting distance may enjoy a larger screen size as you can benefit from the resolution upgrade portion if it wasn't filling you line of sight vision prior but to some people they have constraints like above a fire place or recessed/built in location for it to go but many solutions for wall mounting have become very viable in most situations to fit a tv without much remodeling required for a larger tv to site more or less center in the older location.
@@ukaszp2333 Another way is to mount your TV on a swivel that can extend out a few feet and then when watching critical content like movies you extend the arm out so the TV looks huge. I'd rather get a high end OLED on a swivel than some giant 98" TV that is going to be a massive PIA to get rid of in the future.
I have a 55 inch OLED, and an 85 inch FALD. Yes, the picture on the OLED is probably better, but I would never trade finite picture quality improvement for the immersion from as big of a TV as you can fit!
100% agree with you, I have a LG C1 OLED 77 inch in my Master Bedroom, recently bought the TCL QM8 85 inch (after watching your glowing reviews, thank you) in my guestroom and honestly my OLED is never used now. I even just ordered the Hisense 100 inch U8K for my living room, $2999 is too good to pass up for the size/performance.
love your channel by the way.
How rich are you mate😅
@ hmmm the 100U8K was $2999, way cheaper than the G4.
@samirshah5411 congratulations for your purchase man!
I was just in that boat for the last few weeks. I was torn between the 65" LG G3 or the 77" LG C3 due to them being priced the same at $2299. So, after weeks of stressing myself out I decided to go to BestBuy and I was blown away by the 77" LG G3 (which was not an option for me). After a few more days for thinking about it I thought to myself F it, I'm getting the 77" LG G3. Ordered it on Greentoe for $2999 out the door with a 5 years warranty that includes Burn in protection for a total of $3288.99! Should arrive next week or so 😁.
how is the tv?
LP66177, I hope that you have the BEST of luck in enjoying your new 77" OLED!! But you shouldn't need luck as the OLED will give you GREAT picture quality, as you're amazed by the OLED's ultra deep blacks! 3 years ago I bought a 77" Sony OLED after spending years saving the money to buy it, a Denon 7.1 channel AVR, and the excellent Panasonic UB-820 UHD 4k Blu-ray player. Not bad for someone with a yearly Social Security income of $26,000 between my wife & myself, & no pensions. Anyway, it took 5 years to build up the funds needed, especially since the Sony Master Series OLED was $4,000, even after a BB price cut from $4,500 because the new Sony OLEDs had come out. Long story short, though my Mrs had never been particularly critical in preferring the PQ of one TV vs. another during in-store comparisons, after tweaking the new TV, I asked her to come down to the basement to catch a scene from the Blu-ray of Gravity which was playing in our modest sized (& Dark) theater room. And that scene INSTANTLY turned my Mrs into a true fan of fine picture quality!
The OLED's stunning deep black level made the void of space in Gravity appear much more realistic than my Mrs & I had ever seen space look before on any of our TVs, though the best TV we then used was the same 58" Panasonic plasma model that was unanimously named the "King of TVs" by all 30 professional TV calibrators & reviewers who judged the Flat Panel Shoot Out that occurred over two days in September 2010 at Value Electronics, of Scarsdale, New York. Yup,
as my wife's jaw nearly hit the floor within a second of her 1st seeing how space looked in Gravity on the 77" OLED, I immediately knew that all of that scrimping & saving had really been worth 100% of all that trouble which it took to get the TV!
Damn, that's 2 months of salary for an IT engineer over here
No one takes a more circuitous route to an answer/analysis than this guy...LEGENDARY.
I just picked up a 65" A95L (shopping against the 77" A80L) and I have no regrets: I much appreciate how bright the picture is with all my blinds open (coming from a 55" A8F).
I’m in a similar dilemma. I’m between a 65” A95L and an 83” A80L. What’s your opinion on my situation and what’s your experience been like since posting your original comment? I’m definitely more of a video enthusiast kind of person, but the bigger size is tempting…
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
This was a fun watch for sure! The only things that I might contend are that most of us aren't considering a 65" versus a 98" set, more likely we are deciding between either a 55" or 65" set, or 65" versus 75". Also not high-tier TV's like the QM8 and A95L although that would be nice if it were a serious consideration! Especially here in Canada where prices are much higher.
Getting older! When I was in my '30s I would have gone for the higher quality refined picture of the smaller TV, but in my '50s with my eyesight not as good as it was when I was younger, I have chosen to go with a much larger TV. It really makes a difference when you lose that 20/20 vision! Probably not something you're factoring in giving your age.
This was a GREAT video. Thank you for making it. I agonized over this decision just a few months ago and chose the best PQ I felt I could get for my budget and, being partial to Sony, went with the Sony Bravia X93L. And I am super pleased with it. I pretty much knew I’d choose PQ over screen size but seriously considered some larger screens around the same price. But I could not let go the PQ. And having had a Sony LED tv before, I knew what I’d be getting. Always appreciate your content and the production value you bring. All the best.
85” QN85c here and very happy with it.
Good points. My gf and only have a one bedroom so we opted for a 65" Sony for the living room and a 55" LG OLED for the bedroom. I sometimes wish our living room TV was 77" as we still have a good amount of space on both sides of the wall but the Sony was just purchased last Fall so perhaps next upgrade.
This is years of experience speaking from Caleb because I think he is right. How many of us purchase an iPhone Pro over the base model when we know we will never even come close to using the pro model’s performance or features.
From my experience If I watched a lot of TV. As in if I were a daily TV watcher I would choose quality over size. But I am and always have been someone who only gets to watch 1-2 times a week and I 100% agree with Caleb. Size is more important then because nothing beats that experience.
For me screen size will always be my choice above quality, however I still do want quality. For my media room, 85" was a large as I could go due to window placement (and my wife vetoing any bigger that would overlap windows) and based upon your recommendations when I purchased a new TV earlier this year, I went with the 85" QM8, and I have not regretted it at all. Great looking TV, fits the space perfectly, and wonderful for gaming. Also added the Vizio m512a-h6 soundbar to my setup (again based on your vids) and I couldn't be happier with my new setup.
Thanks for all you do, your channel is now my go to for audio/video equipment.
I bought my Sony 77" OLED because, 1) I wanted outstanding processing/upscaling. 2) Even the mild blooming on my 950H was driving me nuts. 3) It was the largest Sony OLED that was within my price range.
Well over half a year later and I am still absolutely pleased with my purchase.
Might get a g4 65 myself for the upscaling and improved Dolby vision
@@dibanez_1350 G4?
A80L?
@@steveludwig4200 The A80L was just hitting stores when I bought the A80K. Aside from the L being more expensive since it just launched, I'm not a huge fan of the XR Clear Image, so the K was a better choice for me.
@@halshaw8056I have a 77” A80J. Sony OLED punch above their numbers.
I literally was in the middle of making this decision (taped up the wall and everything) when this video was published. Thank you!
I was needing help. I set 10.5-11 feet way from tv. Should I get 75in QN90D for $1,799.99 USD or 85in for $2,299.99 USD. I just don't know if 10 inches is worth $500 more.
I compromised and am quite happy. Had a budget of ~$2500, and bought the 77" s90c for $2450 all in. A big quality upgrade from the 75" Vizio M75-E1 Ive had for ~6 years.
I'm more in the hurry up and wait camp so I don't have to compromise exactpt on time of corse.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough my budget was pretty set in stone (the wife) regardless of how long I waited.
@@GreenBlueWalkthroughso what are you waiting for now?
KK-ef1ow, I think you made a GREAT choice, as the OLED will give you absolutely terrific PQ, as its stunning black level ability will bowl over all of your friends and family members, especially in presenting movies or shows with scenes in space. Just 3 years ago I paid $4,000 (plus tax) for a 77" Sony OLED, so you just bought yourself an OLED of VERY high quality, at a bargain price, & also got a good size!
Yep, I just installed a Samsung 85" cu 7000 on the wall. Cost per size is incredible now. I'm not a gamer, and the motion in sports works just fine for me.
98" is the perfect size for my living room. I'd go for the 97" LG G series or M series but I can't spend 25k on a TV
Why you can't spend 25k.. wife? ;)
Hehe
I just received my 85" QN90C that I ordered yesterday. I had this very dilemma, do I go with a 77" OLED or an 85" not-OLED. I am very happy I went with the 85". Its amazing and feels very immersive in my media room, far more then our 65" OLEDs we have in other rooms. The size is so impactful.
What is your viewing distance?
that was another great informative video Caleb. you are such a big help and I love that Chuck Mangione Feels so Good album behind you 👍
This is certainly something I'm working on figuring out with my setup. I'll probably be sitting about 10 to 10.5 feet from the screen based on my measurements. So I've been eyeing the 4k 75' to 85' TVs like the A95L, Bravia 9, and G4. But it's also being hooked up to an PC, so it will have a lot of frequent static UI elements on screen as well..
Figuring out my audio needs is difficult as well, as my room isn't huge, but I live in an apartment complex with neighbors below and beside me.. Spending $3000 to $5000 on a TV isn't an issue. But a high end $2000 to $4000 audio setup would be a waste in my current situation.
I think I kinda settled on probably getting the Klipsch 5.1 Theater speaker bundle on Amazon along with a decent $300-$400 AV receiver. About the most affordable step up I can piece together, versus something like the Logitech Z906 surround. About double the price, but I'm gaining about double the audio quality as well. But still under $1000 overall.
A lot of research involved doing a full setup lol..
Caleb, I’ve had the same experience as you. I started out with a 65” LG OLED and went to a 77” Sony A80J OLED. Still felt too small from 8 ft away so I got a 120” screen with a LG HU85LA UST projector but the black levels and contrast for movies just wasn’t to my standards. I finally went to a 98” TCL QM8. Is it the picture quality as good as the Sony A80J? No, but it is 90% of the way there, still has almost-OLED inky blacks, and I feel more immersed, and way happier with my overall experience!
Hey Caleb, great video! Just a quick question if you don’t mind, if you had the choice between an 85” TCL Q7, a 75” Hisense U8K, or 65” Samsung S90C for a dedicated TV / Movie room (no gaming) with full light control, what would you go with? Seating position is 7’ away. I already have a 42” LG C3 and 27” Alienware 1440p 360hz QD OLED monitor for my desk setup, and don’t want to be disappointed with this tv purchase after experiencing the eye candy that is OLED. Do you think I’ve already spoiled myself by experiencing OLED and need to stick with it now to avoid buyers remorse? Thank you either way if you reply or not, love the content!
Hi Quinn! Thanks for the superchat! The U8K is probably going to get you closest to OLED in terms of black levels and overall contrast. I also feel like it is a nice compromise between screen size and performance for you, considering your viewing distance. You could go larger, but while the TCL Q7 is an excellent TV for the price, its backlight and local dimming system isn't as high-performance as the Hisense U8K. The Samsung S90C is indeed a very nice TV, but I don't feel its performance is so much dramatically better than the U8K that it's worth giving up on that much screen real estate -- again, trying to come up with the best compromise for you, here. I do think you'll be impressed with how the U8K comes off as very "OLED-like" in terms of it black levels and contrast -- it does a good job of mitigating halo and blooming. However, at the end of the day, none of these are OLED TVs and, to some varying degree, fall short of the same exact wow factor an OLED can provide. I don't think you'll AT ALL be disappointed in how the U8K looks -- quite the opposite -- but I always caution folks that have fallen in love with OLED to temper their expectations a little bit, because only the pixel level dimming in OLED -- and at a larger, much less-available, and way, way more expensive level, micro-LED -- can produce the kind of image you get from your G3 and Alienware displays.
This is Caleb, by the way -- just easier to reply through the DT account :)
@@digitaltrends thank you Caleb, going to pull the trigger on the U8K! Appreciate all the knowledge and insight you give us consumers
This is sort of what I did. I put an 83" C3 in the family room where we actually watch the most TV, and a 100" Hisense U8K in the "theater" room. As Sammy Hagar said, it's the best of both worlds.
Yeah, because 83 inches is so small 😂.
55 inch is the biggest I could fit into the alcove in my living room (smaller houses and less open planayoits here in the UK) so I focus on picture quality for price. That's why I went for an LG G3 (the Sony was too expensive).
@@benpascall4297 My house has an alcove as well. I hate them. Ended up putting shelving/cabinets in the alcove and mounting my TV above the fireplace that's next to the alcove. The alcove now has all the AV equipment on the shelves and cabinets for stuff on the bottom. TV is a bit too high for my liking but at least it's bigger than what could fit in the alcove. Need to get one of those mounts that pull down in front of the fireplace, then it would be perfect.
I'm looking at that 83" C3 for my living room as well to replace a 70" vizio. My big "TV" is also in my living room, but it's a 4k laser projector on 150" screen that goes up and down electronically.
@@dotsmada2855 yeah that's the only option for me, but I hate TVs over fireplaces. Even though it's only a 55' I still paid the best part of £2000 for it, so I couldn't be doing with it being that high. Would rather just have a smaller tv in the alcove.
This was a really great perspective! I’ve had a UST projectors and a 120” screen in my living room for over 5 years now. I don’t think I could even go back to a 100” inch screen. I sit about 12’ away and when watching 21:9 content I wouldn’t mind an even bigger screen. I have a nice QLED in my bedroom. I enjoy the tv but it’s just not the same.
📺 A good video suggestion would be to talk about the different types of processing between the brands. A comparison would be really helpful.
Hey Caleb,
Just wanted to let you know that I just got my xr85x95l somewhat based on your review and I LOVE it. The TV may be slightly too big for my space… when it is off! When it is on it is stunning and sort of “matches” the space in the room better because it’s not just a big Black box.
I’m happy I didn’t get the 75 even though that was probably the right size for the space. The 85 gives a much more immersive experience.
Definitely getting the 115 QM89, picture quality is there and the size is a total bang for your buck.
TCL has not announced any price for the 115 QM89. So what is the bang for the buck. The price doesn’t matter If TCL
doesn’t address the significant glare issues, very poor video processing, and horrible viewing angles that the 98 QM8 has.
The tv is only 4k so the pixels are the size of Christmas lights.
@@deanwilliams433 Mr Williams, it's sad to say it but your X-mas light analogy is ridiculous! As Brian of Tech Therapy said on that channel, in closely comparing a 98" Samsung 4k TV with a Sony 100" 4k TV, both flat panel units displayed video images that "were sharp as a tack", with all 3 of Brian's fellow testers there (1 of whom is a Pro-calibrator) agreeing that those large panels did NOT exhibit ANY of the picture quality softness that some folks have long believed such big 4k TVs would end up displaying.
And I've personally talked with Robert A Harris, the world renowned film restoration expert who personally restored such films as "Lawrence of Arabia". "Lawrence" is one of the best looking movies ever shown in a movie theater, providing that a theater screening it was equipped with the special (& hideously expensive) 70 mm film projectors needed to show 70 mm prints of "Lawrence". But over 95% of movie theaters just utilized film projectors that could handle 35 mm film prints, so the vast majority of people only saw prints that had one fourth of the resolution of 70 mm. BTW, more modern good looking films like No Country For Old Men, are
unable to come close to having picture quality as fine as that which people saw over 60 years ago with 1962's "Lawrence", because like 99% of wide screen films shot after 1962, "No Country" was only shot on 35 mm film.
Now to convert "Lawrence" so projection of that large format film can be done in theaters using digital projectors, the movie's large format negative had to be carefully scanned with the picture info then converted to digital files, and then 4k DCPs (Digital Cinema Package hard drives) could be made from the files, so the state of the art 4k movie projectors utilized in today's theaters could have 4k sources for screening "Lawrence of Arabia". More than about any other living person, Robert A Harris knows exactly just how "Lawrence of Arabia" should look. And Mr Harris wrote on Home Theater Forum that the best 4k Digital projection he's seen of "Lawrence" literally looks AS good as pristine quality 70 mm prints of the film. (or 65 mm if the 5 mm the audio track uses on the edge of the film isn't counted.)
Anyway, with 4k digital projection capable of such spectacular quality if even shown on 80 foot screens, Robert A Harris has written that 8k resolution would even be overkill on screens THAT large. Because even sharp eyed people with vision a lot better than 20/20 would have to sit in a movie theater's 1st or 2nd row (where few people are comfortable sitting) to even be able to detect a small difference between a genuine native 4k version of a movie scene, and a native 8k version of the exact same scene.
That's why the Hollywood movie studios have ZERO interest in devoting the huge amounts of money required to develop 8k projectors or to finish their movies in 8k.
BTW, most of the stadium seating movie theaters of today are designed so that the people sitting in the back row, by the rear wall, are positioned at a distance from the screen which is equal to 3 times the height of the movie screen. Then, some careful testing of people with 20/20 vision proved they
couldn't see ANY difference between 2k & 4k resolution at that distance.
That explains why well produced Blu-rays (that = 2k) in my collection have looked every bit as good to me with those 2k movie versions, as the same movies look if shown by 4k movie theater projectors, since my wife always
insists that we sit in the BACK row, because she doesn't like having people
behind us. Anyway, for people to see the finest details that 4k can present in a movie theater, almost all movie fans need to sit in the front third
of the auditorium, since by the time people are half way from the screen to the back of the theater, the ability to see small details is already dropping.
And Mr Harris told me that 8k resolution at home will offer NO practical visual benefit for home theater fans. He wrote that after I had pointed out that a Best Buy salesman had claimed that an 8k TV could make a lot of
the 4k UHD Blu-rays of my collection look sharper than my Sony Master Series 4k OLED can make them look. But since I'd mentioned that the BB sales guy had been talking about comparing a high quality 85 inch 4k TV with a high quality 85 inch 8k TV, Mr Harris tailored his answer to me for that exact situation. And so what Robert A Harris then wrote on Home Theater Forum was that with such screens, 8k may be able to make the images of well produced 4k Blu-rays appear slightly more resolved IF
one places his eyes 18 inches from the 85 inch 8k TV's screen. Then Mr
Harris made me laugh in ending his answer to me by writing that 1 added benefit that a man like me may gain from viewing an 85 inch 8k TV from such a CLOSE viewing position, is that his face may be warmed by the TV!
@@mrb0775 Dude you wrote all that and you still are wrong. If you see 98" 4k and 98" 8k you will be blind if you cant see the difference at 6-8 feet distance.
8:14 what is this table? looks convenient. I wouldn't mind if this channel had videos of accessories like that too
I live in a 340 sq.ft. cottage - and the largest TV that will fit is 55" - so it is an easy decision to choose picture quality rather than size. But lately, it appears that some TV manufacturers have started to reserve their best features for models that are available only in sizes 65" and larger, which I think is an unfortunate trend.
it's all personal preference too, I was debating between a 77 inch to 98 inch for my living room which is also in the same space as my kitchen and dining area. I went with the S90C 77inch because it was high quality and wouldn't be drawing so much attention of the room aesthetically when on or off.
One of the better videos you've done. This video will help a lot of people think through their size vs quality dilemma.
How about the quality of network streaming which costs more with better quality
Chances are you have an incredible screen in your pocket if you have a somewhat modern flagship smartphone, yet you still sit down to watch shows on your TV at the end of the day. Goes to show which one you prefer too.
I faced this delima in 2017 when I went from a broken 110" PJ to a 75" TV. Should I have bought a 55" top tier TV for 3k or a 75" entry level TV for 3k? I went for the 75" entry level.
My advice after having done this is that if you're deciding between one size class, then go with the nicer TV at a smaller size. A 65" higher end screen being better than a 75" mid-level screen.
If you're looking at a bigger size gap, like you're deciding between a 65" or an 83" or 85", go with the bigger screen then re-evaluate in five years.
you know you want to go BIGGER
As someone who had I 77” OLED & went to an OLED monitor now as my daily, I disagree.
For gaming, too big can cause your eyes to have to physically “move” across the screen. It’s great for seeing enemies at a far distance, but being so big I had to physically move my eyes to look at HUD elements.
Don’t have that issue on my QD OLED monitor, and honestly find the colors to be much better on the smaller screen. No issues with seeing enemies at a far distance in BR game types either.
@@TheLazyGamers There is a big difference with regards to viewing distance between a TV one sits 10 feet away from and a monitor one sits 20-30 inches away from.
Get the optimal size for the viewing distance and the best TV/monitor for that. Very simply. Always has been.
As an example, 32" can bee too much for some as their computer monitor, perfect for others or too small for yet another person. Preference, viewing distance and use case matters. For me I play FPS games on a 32" gaming monitor, and all other games on a 65" TV - which I plan to upgrade sometime soon. It might not be an all out upgrade, but at least in size.
Not over picture quality we all know you’re a qled fanboy
One thing people should be aware though is that dealing with a 98" TV can be a massive PIA if it ever breaks, or you move or you simply want to upgrade your tv in the future. You can't just toss that TV in the trash, you literally have to pay to get it removed if you didn't have a vehicle to haul it yourself let alone needing help. It's a lot easier buying the TV than getting rid of it.
If I were to move, I would be paying for a U-haul that I would be able to load the 98/100 inch anyways, so I fully disagree. I say this as someone who would has tested the X95L against a 98 inch tv and thought the differences in were most certainly worth keeping the X95L instead of the bigger tv@@83442handle
I decided it was time to upgrade my system. Had a 50", 14 y.o. Panasonic plasma. Not a bad picture for the time but not 4K. My wife loved the Panasonic and didn't want to replace it. We compromised on the 65" TCL QM8 which I got for a great sale price ($802). Picture is good after adjustments, better than the Panny, sometimes fantastic, but I wish I had pushed more for the 75". I find myself creeping closer to the TV at times. Happily, my wife isn't complaining about it anymore and I find her turning up the samsung Q990C sound bar to get the subwoofer kick and Dolby Atmos effects. Maybe I upgrade the TV in a couple years...
We gave the Panasonic to a young couple after asking around for who could use it. It's better than what they had. Win/Win
To clarify, by fantastic, I mean when the signal is great (SuperBowl) or I am using my 4K Ultra HD player. I can't wait for networks and streaming services to catch up to our TVs. I'm sure the Sony TV processes the picture better but it's a lot more $$. I need to live with my wife. LOL
It’s the immersion of a massive screen that’s impossible to communicate to someone that hasn’t experienced it. I used to find myself watching a average film over and over simply because of the awe of the cinema scale in a medium sized room. The plane crash in the film “Knowing “ for example. At 100” plus it’s an event! But on a 65” it’s just …well…nothing.
Great video and I understand your point completely. What was interesting is as I watched especially on the side by sides that I loved the color of the A95L over the QM8. Each time they were showing the same image my eyes always pulled to the colors on the A95L. Seeing as I have no color ability meaning I can tell colors but only to a rudimentary level (the big box of crayons is a waste for me in other words) and yet my eyes are dazzled by OLED displays. I suspect in room in testing like you I would gravitate toward the larger screen because it makes such a difference. When my 77" A80J dies (hopefully in many years) there will be something newer that reproduces color like the A95L and is reasonably priced for 77" and up, only time will tell.
A bigger QLed is definitely better than a smaller Oled. Especially with the modern Qleds they have closed the quality gap soo small that size is what most people are gonna prefer. It’s really amazing how much more immersive an 85 is to a 65in.
I always appreciate your commentary! I'm looking to upgrade the TV in my living room in a few weeks. I think I'm not only getting an upgrade in size (going from 65" to 85") but also picture quality (going from 1080p Vizio from 2016 to a TCL QM8). I just wish that I knew when Apple was going to release their next generation 4K Apple TV. I'm not disposing of my Vizio TV, it's going into my bedroom, where I don't have a TV right now, but will end up leaving my Apple TV with the TCL QM8 until the next Apple TV is released.
I want the Sony X95L 2 things holding me back, Money and Space.
One thing holding me back is the price on that
I currently own the legendary Sony OLED A8H, and love every minute of it !
@@coldcutcombo4704 Same.
@@paul8926 Jealous? Yes Yes I am.
Literally my dream TV. Hopefully its price will drop when Sony releases their new lineup this year.
I've just made the jump from 55 inch lg oled to 85 inch tcl via mini led - that's from 1298 sq inch to 3090 sq inch. I was feeling slightly nervous about the jump but after watching this I feel emboldened! I can't wait!
For a living room determine what size you're comfortable looking at and then get the best looking model in that size. For a dedicated home theater, a projector and 150" screen gets my attention.
You can't do 150" in a 700 sqft home 😭
Watching this after seeing a couple of tvs today can get the 82 inch LG for a little less than the LG qned but 65 inch. Before watching this I was leaning to 82 inch and I think that's the way to go Wana be more immersed in what I watch more than how it looks coz after a while ima stop focusing on how it looks
Great video thanks alot
Why does it always seems that the TVs I am watching on the video look much better than the tv I am actually using to watch the Video? it makes no sense right?
I keep thinking, wow that looks good, look at those colors, I want that.
Wait a minute is this screen that is doing that.
Totally agree!!!
Facts, lol
Our videographers are lowkey magicians
@@Caleb_Denison ha ha! I have made this comment as well! How come this looks better than my tv…oh wait! This IS my TV!
I think is worst part of it all is that my monitor is a good one, but not OLED, then I am watching like the Sony Oled panel and saying "wow those blacks are amazing" then, wait a second, those ARE MY MONITOR black
Same situation. i thought I was done with my decision/ research and was sure that I will be getting A80L 65” or 77”.
Pass A95L purely on price and was thinking how big the difference could be in PC as compared to A80L vs A95L
Walk into Best Buy just to get feel of 65” and 77”
Big mistake, they had on display A80L and A95L in top / bottom manner
Boy oh boy , what a difference, big difference. Even with my totally not expert eye it was obvious the A95L is clear winner hands down
Even BB rep joins me and we both start enjoying the moment, you could clear see on my face , the jaw drop experience.
Now I am really confused. Go for A80L or A95L or ignore both and get G3 as really good discount , or ditch all and get G4
I looked at all the TV sizes in the stores, and even though a 65" is a good compromise 85" is just dizzing watching from 2.5m that I do. The 75/77" is the perfect size TV. So instead of going with 65" OLED, that I originally wanted on paper, I went with the 75" LED and I'm 9/10 satisfied.
Oled will lose to mini led only for money
Bright rooms also a consideration, esp daytime viewing w lots of windows / patio doors, etc
Excellent video, I went with the Samsung 98" Neo QLED. Quantity and some quality 👍🏾
I went for the best PQ/Size compromise. 77S89C for $1799. 2nd Gen QD OLED for under $2K. A95L isn’t worth an additional $3K to me. Have a 65” A90J in the bedroom. I’m set for a few years - my wife assures me I am under pain of death.
Glad to see you rockin a Coke Zero. Good man.
How are you liking that s89c? I am eyeing that one as a possible upgrade for my current CX 77” , I heard good things about it. How does it compare to your A90J?
I bought today the S89C 77. Lusted for months for the Sony A95L but at 5k, brutal! Great price at 1800 for a premium QD Oled
@@dv5466 A90J still has the upper hand in UA-cam and rougher lower quality content. Sony is the king of extracting detail while reducing macroblocking, but S89C HDR is on another level. And even with SDR, color seems more natural and organic, in FMM or Movie Mode. I’m happy to keep the A90J in my bedroom for night viewing, but the S89C is a better all-arounder since I watch so much HDR programming.
@@davidhart8552 I would have loved the A95L, but not for over $3000 more. Not when the S89C is roughly 85% of the performance. I can deal with Samsung’s slightly worse handling of low-bitrate when most of what I watch now is higher quality.
Boy did you help me determine exactly what you were pondering, except I was considering the 83 inch G4 vs. bigger. I already have a Samsung QN77S90CAFXZA for everyday viewing and was considering the LG G4 for my theater room, or a bigger TV. I looked at a U76N 100 inch at Best Buy and was blown away by the size. I think I will now go for the TCL 98QM851G as I think size does matter for me!
This is my actual predicament this year. The 83” G4 or the Hisense 98UX ULED X…
Won't happen this year probably but a Sony 98" X95M , with the new tech coming the 85" should be really good . Maybe the 98" X90M should be as good as last years X95L one hopes . My take a Sony or Panasonic 65" ( I'm not American ) for the bedroom as both those have great sound systems , Panasonic has Atmos . Then a big one for TV lounge with speaker setup . The other point is gaming monitors are getting better , so a fantastic monitor say 36" . power DAC and headphones - you will only be 2 or 3 feet from screen , plus have a powerful PC to process picture , if you look up how to tweak media players , Nvidia is promising SDR to HDR conversions in future , I'm sure other things coming with AI built into new CPUs from AMD and Intel . AS for SDR to HDR , probably for classic movies a light setting boost , not to over do it . Again for classic movies , not really mastered for very dark scenes , so miniLEDS probably good enough
@@nimblegoat I have the Sony X90L in 85”and to be honest, I don’t love it. I have had 3 LG OLED’s and I have the Samsung A95B in my living room currently. From my perspective, the LG’s have been my favorite. This TV will be for a large room that is fairly bright during the day so I need something that can handle high light, which is why I’m leaning miniLED.
@@stock1019 I have no experience of the X90L , seems X95K was a step up and Sony is promising big things this year with the X95M (ie bright , yet blacks will get very close to OLEDs ) , The G4 83" should be a good choice , not 98" - but big for many , especially apartment owners and those with smaller rooms . I'm not american . If you have a big tv lounge, then a 98" won't dominate it , otherwise say a 77" and a projector to go large on the odd occasion. Something I'm thinking about ,least with a 77" or 83" on a very strong arm can be moved around and angled . Plus for movie night as opposed to netflix can bring seating up ,. I'm from NZ the G series is only sold by one store , prices are not great like the latest specials in the States . Think in a few years 98" OLEDs will hit the "affordable" range . Most punters will go for Hisence , TCL or the 90series 98" over a superior 83" or 77" .
I actually realised you could answer the question size or quality the other way . If you have LG G3 65" , But you could replace it with a 50" OLED that can to 4000 Nits tone mapping , full BT2020 ( hit high nits in each colour ) , would you swap out the 65" .
Part of you would love to see what such a TV will do . But most people can not go smaller , May make this comment directly
Thanks so much for this video! Helped me decide to go for an 85” QM7 vs. a 75” QM7 or U7N or a smaller OLED.
Picture quality is most important to me (though I know it also depends a lot on the source)... so I recently went with a 65-inch Sony A95L (a nice step up from an 8-year-old 55-inch LG).
In any case, a 77-inch anything would have overwhelmed my space and my minimalist aesthetic.
Sure, huge can be great... and if I had a dedicated media room, I'd very likely have gone bigger. But I'm more than satisfied with my choice.
I totally disagree with you I guarantee if you put a puny 65 inch TV in one part of the room with perfect picture quality and a 98 inch TV any other part if you have the room with medium picture quality your eyes will wander to the bigger TV for movies for TV shows especially for sports totally trust me I've seen them side by side this guy is not wrong
65 in isn't tiny😂😂. Depends on what you like anyway. I have a 65 in and love it. Perfect size for my living room@@richardcerritelli9657
Media room? Damn, my 3 bedrooms are 14 m2 (150 sqft), 11 m2 (120 sqft) and 9 m2 (100 sqft). Cannot even think of putting TV's in them!
My living is just 22 m2 (236 sqft) and my 42" TV really steals the place over there!
@@richardcerritelli9657so why not just make a giant wall projector on the side of you house?
Because at some point you need to consider how your living space is when you’re not watching a show.
This was incredibly helpful to me. Thank you for sharing these thoughts. Your perspective will stick with me not just with my current TV needs but for the future as well. Tis truly the fundamental question.
I searched around and got a Hisense 75" 8K QLED for 1000$ in Malaysia and that was by far the best deal I've ever got in my life, normal 4000$.
Average TV size has gone from 40" 20 years ago, to 55 to 65 inches today. Bigger is always better. Trust yourself.
Too bad. I can only fit 37" in my furniture, but the smallest being sold is 42" (OLED) or 43" (LED). And those sizes cost 1500€ over here!
@@BlackHoleSpainget a bigger TV and hang it on a wall
Three years ago, when remodeling our downstairs, I had a choice to make within my budget - Samsung 86" TV or a top model LG NANO90 75" TV. I chose the 75" TV with top picture quality. I'm still totally happy, especially because the Samsung TV doesn't support Dolby Vision. Plus, the LG has a wider viewing angle.
I agree with Caleb. When my friends or family ask me for TV buying advice, I always tell them to start with the size they want and then select the TV with the best picture quality at that size that their budget allows.
You can always manage picture quality through calibration or even firmware updates, but you can't change the screen size.
After all, SIZE really does matter. Once have the SIZE techniques come later in this case picture quality 🌞
@@Shabiyyahdon't forget about hardware quality. I'd recommend going smaller if it meant getting a more reliable brand. The last thing I'd want is to have to replace a TV after just a year or two because it started having issues.
I'm about to buy a Sony A95L 65inch this week. I'm excited 😊😊😊
Lg more tv for far less
@@audie-cashstack-uk4881 LG for less? Yes. LG more TV than the Sony A95L? Absolutely NOT
What about compared to a projector
Good point. I just bought a Hisense U8K because of the color contrast which is becoming increasingly important to me as a senior.
Subbed. You are amazing at your job Caleb!
Thanks a million Caleb for this exceptional channel ❤ I live in the other side of the world (Saudi Arabia) and you made me buy the A95L 77" and this is the best TV I have ever experienced in my whole life 🎉
I paid$5000 for this masterpiece and I don't regret it at all 😅
Kepp it up and waiting for you Sony theater Quad review to buy it next month 😅❤
I’m in the better PQ group
I bought a 55 inch OLED to replace 65 inch LED a few years back
Any regrets?
Would you go even smaller for even better picture quality?
@@InvestWithFFI not really but I did end up going bigger with a Used Z9D. Still have the OLED tho.
@@BobbyCoolBreeze I’ve never purchased a used TV. That might be the real power play in all of this.
I've had a 100" projector and it's why I avoid too big TVs. It was so large that I used to get neck cramps every time I used it.
Even now, my 55 is too big in my bedroom. I have to a swivel so I can extend the viewing angle.
Went from a 83 Inch Sony A90J to a Samsung 98inch Q80C
I'm absolutely over the moon with it!
Size trumps quality all day long!
Once dialed in, I don't notice much of a difference.
I would say. I like the brighter image too!
Also, it's soooo immersive!
Very fun video!! Well done! Nailed it!!! I knew you were going to say the large TCL was your choice!! My budget, however, is space not dollars, so I would have to pick the smaller BETTER qd-oled, and I am not sorry at all! My 65” A95K is plenty bright and very immersive in my space.😅
Bigger TV for Home Theater downstairs with big space. Better TV for living room, aka smaller space. If I had an extra bdrm I would've kept my 98" Samsung Q80c. In my 251 sq ft livingroom I use my 77" LG GX.
Man the Samsung Q80 series is an awesome tv. I feel like it gets overlooked. I have an 85 Q80 and just love it. Performs pretty much just as well as the Qn90 series
Just upgraded. Choice was 75” R6, 65” U7 or 55” U8. Bought the 75”… too big and too dim for my room. Returned it and went to another store for the 65” which they didn’t have so went with the 55”. Excellent choice and the quality is fantastic with full array and local dimming. Quality over size…
Back in the day when I sold TVs, I never had a customer come back and wish they got a smaller TV. But it was common for people to come back and wish they had gotten a bigger TV. Only people with the most keen eye can tell the difference in picture quality once you don't have a side by side reference to compare it.
I have the same theory when it comes to picture preference. Especially if you adjust them all to look similar.
Also, things that you hook up to the TV typically don't require the best picture quality. You'll be editing photos (for example) on your OLED PC screen, not in the living room.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Will go with the bigger TV. If I want picture quality, I'll use the monitor on my PC.
I also optimize for youtubers, Anime and Game Consoles. Movies are qualitatively so bad that I wouldn't bother having a TV that tries to automagically improves them. I can do all the post-processing on the HTPC anyway.
Another question would be: "DIgital Signage" vs. "TV"?
I often go for better picture quality
"when upgrading from a 4 year old tv"... my problem is upgrading from an 18 year old plasma, I hate LCD motion handling.
@@ericew Get an OLED, you will love every minute of it !
Your TV is only as good as what you put in. You can spend a fortune on a TV with the absolute best picture quality but if your input sources are garbage (cable TV, compressed youtube, OTA TV, streaming services) then you get diminishing returns.
@@chinafriends Get an Apple TV, picture quality is superb !
@@paul8926till they get burn-in
I went for balance. Bought the C3 83” because I wanted OLED but the largest screen possible. The MLA/QD upgrades weren’t worth it for me to go down to 77”.
Hi, im doubting between lg c3 83 vs lg g3 77.
I do play ps5.
What you think?
10+ feet from a 65” is criminal. I’m 6.5 feet from mine and often wish I could get closer or would have gone with a bigger screen.
That's pretty funny because I sit about 10' from my old 2009 46" Samsung 8500 series LED. It's still kicking. No HDR & no 4K. Just 1080. I know anything would be an upgrade. But it still performs well and it's just me watching so... When I visited my folks and watched their 65" from the same distance, I thought that was too big. In close ups, people's heads are disturbingly massive 🤣😂🤣.
Good points. I thought about that too. I decided since I have a fairly small house and living room that the Sony Bravia XR 48 A90K would be perfect. Master Class level and sports and movies look totally awesome on it. I decided on the 48 inch size as the one I replaced was 32 inches which in its time was a large size. 48 inch size looks enormous to me. Bought it two years ago on black friday sales. One of the best available in its size. I thought about going bigger but figured it would be overkill so I got the best available in a mid size. Made sense to me. I can say that two years later I am very very pleased. I have always loved Sony TV's and this one is no exception. The good thing is there's definitely a decent fit for everyone out there ! This was a great video .
LOL The Mike Tyson disclaimer LOL @6:19
I’ve learned so much from watching Caleb‘s videos. I enjoy and appreciate his entertaining expertise.
I definitely want to go up from a 55 inch Samsung that’s about 8 years old. I’m thinking 65 or 75 inch mini LED. I’m very interested in the Hisense U8K and the TCL QM8 that Caleb recommends. My concern is how long will they last? How long will the picture quality remain that good? Because Sony and Samsung products have proven that they last because of the overall quality of their product. This uncertainty is the only thing holding me back from purchasing a TCL or Hisense. My budget is more in the Hisense and TCL range. If you ask my wife, my budget is much lower than that. Lol. Thank you again for the continued education! - Ian :)
One thing that's consistently overlooked is pixel density and the contribution that lends to how clean and crisp an image appears. A 4K image on a 50" or 55" screen looks, IMO, much better than one blown up on a 65 or 75" screen. All else being equal (video source, etc...) the image on the smaller screen will appear cleaner and sharper because of the pixel density. And any text or other UI elements will look especially good.
This is really only relevant for monitors. At TV viewing distances you won't really see any degradation until you hit 100"+ on a 4k display.
@@OG-Jakey Nah, this is actually incorrect. If you intend to use the screen with any type PC or gaming console use, the display with the denser pixel density will be better.
Even moreso since a lot of devs, especially in PC games, use tiny text that gets easily mangled by low pixel density displays. Trust me, it sucks trying to read poorly rendered text from the optical viewing distance of a 65" TV.
@@RicochetForce that's got nothing to do with pixel density and everything to do with the way tvs are made and how pc os interact with the uncommon (for pc) subpixel layout.
@@OG-Jakey That has everything to do with how the use-case (PC use, and how programs are designed with PC monitors in mind) affects the importance of pixel density for the end user.
4K res stretched across a 77" screen looks noticeably worse than on a 50" display. What you gain in size, you lose in density of detail AND if you intend to use it as a PC monitor (or with text heavy games) you have to detail with worse looking text than you'd see on your phone or monitor.
This is not true. At TV viewing distance, there is no way for you to perceive the difference. Hundreds of blind tests have proven this@@RicochetForce
Quality Quality quality!!!! I had to make this decision back in 2019 to get 65 QLED or 75 LED. I never ever regretted !!! You will be appreciated a stunning picture quality Blow you Away you will forget about the fact you got smaller TV.
I am absolutely loving the Chuck Mangione album in the background! Feels so good is a wonderful album and takes me back.
I'm roughly 10 feet away from the tv. I have a LG 7300 55 inch and am looking to upgrade to the G4. I'm mostly watching 4k movies and am looking for option on the difference between the 65 and 77 inch G4 I am going to add the LG sound bar.