As Louis Rossman and Linus said them putting out this video could actually potentially compromise future sponsor segments from many companies. It's a HUGE DEAL that they're doing this and making this video for the ethics. Thank you Linus and LTT!!
@@ggeilokowski Bruh... I'd say it's subpar at worst. But for the price you're paying, and the flexibility you're getting, I'd go as far as to say that it's actually a pretty good deal. I just hope they come out with a better, more modern version soon as the current offerings are starting to show their age.
This is a huge problem in the farming industry. Companies like John Deere will not allow people to tune their equipment in any way. You aren't even supposed to be able to access their software in the equipment. This makes doing repairs on your own extremely difficult.
I feel you brother, as a guy who works for a chain I see people bring in good hardware for recycle on a weekly basis. Luckily for me I can't find anything in our rules that forbids me from buying stuff off our customers and my manager doesn't seem to care, so I have and do, when possible. I get to save things from the grinder and sell cheap computers back to my community, sure I still make a profit I'm not going to act like it's all charity work or anything, but it's more beneficial to those that buy my machines and those I buy them from so I'll take the W where I can. Sometimes I wonder what kind of person recycles even a 4th gen i5 much less an 8th gen one...
I totally agree! It should concern everyone because right to repair involves needless waste of goods that are perfectly operable, IF goods were designed to be repaired we wouldn't waste as much. It is an environmental no-brainer as much as it is a social issue. It should concern everyone, because it does involve everyone.
@@moozdoomz7573 true!!! Also I always buy most my electronics cheap but yeah. But the worst thing is when you have something with exclusive games for examples like the xbox 360 sense that broke for me I either had to buy a new consle or lose like $100+ of games (which I just lost my games because that's stupid I'm not buying another thing that'll break down)
I had a 2011 MacBook Air with a dead WiFi card. Apple Genius quoted 649$ in parts and labor. Louis Rossmann quoted 90$ parts & free labor. This is real folks and it will affect us all if we don’t help him stop it.
The point is, if you are in shengzheng, you probably can fix it with maybe $10 parts and $20 labor, or if you are in other cities of China you can fix it with $10 parts + maybe $5 shipping, and fix it with some online guide by yourself
i also dont understand the ppl who throw out old phones/laptops even if they have space to store them like why, u can reuse the battery, screens, fans, lights, etc.etc. reuse reuse reuse
@@fz8691 you can directly buy official samsung parts on their website. For 13.50$, it was probably a non genuine battery, that may have more risks of failure
He didn't mention it in the video, but I think it is important to push Linux as a home user OS for older computers. I bet many people throw away perfectly functional machines that are too outdated for windows 10 but can still rock for years using Lubuntu for instance and maybe a cheap SSD upgrade. my old desktop takes longer to shutdown on Windows 10 than it takes to boot Lubuntu lol
@@srpenguinbr Unfortunately people also have this idea that because Windows 10 is the latest version of Windows they have to have it. Security issues, blah, blah, aside... people simply don't understand that you don't have to use the latest or what's already installed on a shop bought system.
@@FlyboyHelosim well I updated from 7 to 10 pro due to the security concerns, because my dad uses it for tax declaration, but I have windows 7 DVDs on my drawer just in case. I think it's a pity I cannot transfer the OS license to another computer. Now it has a dual boot with Lubuntu (default)
@@austinblackburn8095 This directly conflicts with the interest of amazon, but if they where to do it. I would assume they would partner with someone like iFixIt
Amazon makes some of the least repairable devices ever, their kindle tablets are all soldered and it is almost impossible to get spare parts for them. Amazon would not add a score in
HP instruments (and IBM computers!) used to come with their full schematics. You can still repair the HP pre-1990 stuff today. Then one day, a late and valuable 1990’s instrument failed (from a complex power supply failure). No schematics, although the service manual refers to it by component number - the schematics had obviously been removed from the manual by the evil marketing folks. Call to HP/Agilent/Keysight: “Sorry, it’s too new, we stopped supporting component level repair at about that time, so no schematics”. Great. Can I buy the replacement supply then? “Sorry it’s too old, we don’t support assembly level repair for these anymore”. I fixed the darn thing (it’s still worth $10,000!) by reverse engineering it, but darn it, this isn’t the HP that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard started. Over to Louis’ fundraiser I go!
I bought a cheap broken bench top multimeter couple years back from like the early 90s, pretty unknown brand. Turned out the company still exists today and I wrote them a mail being sure I will get the standard reply ala "sorry we cant do that etc etc". Got a reply and they actually send me the scanned copies as a pdf from both the complete service manual and schematics. Was actually quite a bit wrong with it, power supply ic failed, multiple tantal caps in the analog circuitry were dead, a comparator ic died. Due to the documents provided the diagnosis and repair was relatively quick, you dont see many companies providing that nowadays. Though I have to applaud their support team, as far as I know their newer products also dont provide these documents anymore.
And just because you know the pin-outs of the chips doesn't mean you understand exactly how it works, or would be anywhere close to being able to reverse engineer the component. You just know enough to understand which parts you'd need to replace, if say, the video output signal was very dirty.
Thanks Linus. My parents finally sold their farm (and retired) a couple years ago. They donated their Ford 9N tractor to another farm down the street. That's a 60 year old tractor still helping farmers stay profitable, and putting food on tables. John Deere would love it if they could get rid of all the old equipment that is easy to repair.
It would be more like, you would need to go to a brand certified garage and pay around half the cost of the total car to get it fixed. And when you do get it fixed, the fix will cause the car to be unavailable to you for 4 weeks and when you get the car back, anything you left in the car (like childseats, sunglasses etc ) is gone
After having managed a 3rd party repair shop while going to college for IT, Ive been a part of the 'Right to Repair' cause for years now - even after I left the repair industry. It makes me so happy to see LTT bringing more attention to this issue. Thank you so very much.
I would not trust your shop to properly repair my iPhone 12 Pro Max and ensure it is IP68. It is a phone, tablet or computer that is sold as a tightly integrated unit. Apple isn't the only vendor for those products, if you don't like their repair polices go else where. Trying to repair an iPhone would be like, I broke a transistor in my 7nm AMD CPU and I need to solder a replacement, it ain't gonna work. OK repairing an AMD CPU is too extreme but the point is, Apple factory performing the refurbishing is much more cost effective than paying a 3rd party repair shop that may not be equipped to handle it. I actually had a 3rd party repair shop repair my daughters cracked iPad Air screen, what a friggen waste of money, the screen was substandard. I would have saved money by not trying to save money and cheap out on a 3rd party. In the end I just bought her a new iPad Pro.
Can confirm they always try to upsell you to buy a new phone when you go in for repair too, my iphone 6 wouldn't connect to their wifi for 'diagnostics' but then I connected to the shopping center wifi and it was magically fixed... at least screen repairs were ONLY $150 then.
Yeah, similar here with my brother’s phone needing a screen, and they quoted him around 300 bucks… needless to say, his screen is still cracked and slowly peeling off.
The service is bad enough that for replacing certain parts I default to DIY knowing I can successfully do it. I'm running a 6S and I have 0 reason to change as long as it runs because I'm not into shiny gimmicks. I love the phones but everything related to service and repairs is subpar on Apple part. I do hope that they'll be forced to change but I also know that tabloids run on "X company item exploded" headlines to make a quick buck. My good friend thought SpaceX new rockets exploding meant that the company was doing poorly but that's only based on headlines and his general lack of interest in the topic to see further.
Before I became more involved in tech and devises a 1-2 hour drive to the nearest apple store and a $500 bill for a slow phone happened every few months. All for a simple cookie clear closing tabs and uninstalling crap shouldn't cost $500cad
It's he ultmate hold my beer moment. They even have it in he software if you don't use apple parts you get a message saying it's not official please only use authorize apple parts
@@Truecrimeresearcher224 There are videos, where people take the screen of two brand new iPhone 12's and simply swap them and they still get that message. It is just a software pairing where your phone says: "I was first turned on with the screen with ID XYZABC and if I get turned on with anything else I will display that error message. And only Apple and their partners have the tools to reset it.
@@WillFaustCuber Yeah you can if you want. Maybe you can do that and maybe there will be a WAN show about the subject mentioned above. Either way it doesn't matter, both of our comments do not matter. Wait; do you hear the super strings that make up the subatomic particles of our universe? That is the tenth dimension 🤯
All new cars will be like this soon too, I don't doubt. Opening up your hood for any reason will trigger a locking mechanism in the starter or something.
Brought HP x360 Envy with touchscreen for $1500 NZD. Screen got cracked and was quoted ~$1300 NZD from official HP repair in this country. Was advised the screen panel alone was not replaceable as HP now only supplied replacements of the whole screen assembly (incl cameras, antenna and casing) as a completed unit. Went to AliExpress, found and brought the EXACT screen panel and it was shipped to New Zealand DURING COVID LOCKDOWN in both China and NZ within a week...for ~$300 NZD (cost & Freight) and replaced it myself. I have worked in IT for 30 odd years and see more and more of this wastage happening each year which frustrates the hell out of me. We need more of these right to repair initiatives around the world to kick off and go to our respective lawmakers!!!
@@jimmyd4341 no he didn't start it but he goes to hearings as a business owner to state why right to repair is a good thing to States. He also has been one of the " at the front" youtubers with eyeballs to fight for it
@@jimmyd4341 Louise didn't start the movement. It's been going on for years, particularly with farming equipment that would lock itself down via software locks anytime a part needed to be replaced, and the software locks could only be opened my the manufacturer, and only or whatever price the manufacturer wanted you to pay to have it "properly repaired" because the equipment was effectively unusable until you did. Just imagine buying a car that would software lock itself every time your tire pressure dropped, and the car manufacturer would only unlock it for you after you took it to THEM for a tire repair / replacement because the manufacturer can't guarantee that a repair shop would fix the tires properly. See? They HAVE to force you to take it to them. It's for SAFETY........
The biggest joke in the phone industry is: "We're removing features and basic things to reduce our waste." while simultaneously doing the opposite and putting the problem onto the consumers instead.
On top of that: for example Samsung is skipping one of its flagships this year saying it is because of silicon shortage. Prices are skyrocketing because of this shortage while consumers throw away tons of used silicon because it got slow and laggy after the latest software update which is part of planned obsolescence or they just don't want to repair it because even local small shops are having trouble getting parts and repairing. And why would you pay a fortune just to get a few more laggy years? This makes my blood boil whenever it crosses my mind...
@@fenvesik It's a total joke the "shortage" came up "unexpectedly" like this. They seriously thought they keep binning tons of electronics and resources for new stuff will just appear out of thing air indefinitely?
@@cin2110 Xiaomi devices are quite good in themselves. But I don't like the user interface. And if you unlock the bootloader and install LineageOS on it, many apps refuse to work despite Magisk Hide. Android has become so boring and crappy in the last few years that I'm already looking for a good Linux phone (Free Bluetooth HiFi with Dual Channel SBC and custum bitpools) and will get a cheap phone for all the Google junk. Android has become what Apple was 5 years ago.
@@Shorty15c4007 How is it that conspiracy artists don't talk about this yet they think that COVID is man made and that the vaccine is for controlling your brain?
Yeah but this is largely due to dumb consumers. Samsung for the longest time was doing everything right; replaceable batteries, sd card support, and much easier to repair, but apple kept outselling them so they just said “fuck it, if you can’t beat em, join em”
I have an older samsung device and I love it, replaceable battery, sd card, almost indestructibe. Only downside is that it has a crappy camera, but it was 120 (bought it for 60) bucks after all. Not bad.
@@MrMoon-hy6pn Not all of them. You can get their mid rangers like the A72 which still rocks the headphone jack and SD card support upto 1TB and you won't be disappointed with the screen and camera as well.
The times people say something shouldn't be a discussion are oftentimes the exact moment we need a discussion. This is one of those times. Adding legislation doesn't solve a problem government itself has caused. *Removing* intellectual property *legislation* is a far more legitimate solution than *adding* more legislation to only increase the advantage large tech manufacturers have over smaller companies (via having more legal resources to ensure comolainace with the law).
And just think about it like this farmers have been trying to get this passed ever since John deer switched over to more complex tractors. Farmers end up spending an arm and a leg for a repair and part that honestly isn't needed. Plus it slows down efficiency
Try replacing the screen/rear glass on a iphone X/11/12, The screen/rear is fucking glued and needs to be heated/lasered off just to replace the digitizer/lcd/rear glass. Such a fucking scummy move, there's other ways to water seal phones.
When I studied engineering here in Germany we had a lesson about planned obsolescence Our prof did design cheap garden tools for a company which should last 15hours working time
I know someone who was involved in the développement of chips that count pages in printers, so that your printer stops printing after a number of pages per ink charge....
@@Bratfalken technology makes it fairly easy to develop with planed obsolescence in mind One of the best advices I can give: Look for professional products. A KitchenAid maybe expensive, but it's designed to last and you can repair it quite easily Instead of buying an inkjet printer get a proper office laser printer, you don't need color b/w is more than enough It can be a hassle and has it's own fallpits but from my experience it's usually worth it
One of the insidious things is that it's impossible as a consumer to know how long a device will last you. Not everything is built to fail, but there is no way to tell until the product is so old it's no longer sold. I bought a cheap consumer laser printer almost 10 years ago. It has never had a single issue and prints with whatever random cartridge I find on Amazon. No chip, no page counter. If prints fade, I shake up the cartridge and print another 100 pages. I bolted a Raspberry Pi to it and now I can print from anywhere with standard protocols. My grandfather bought a much more expensive inkjet printer. It's great. It has all the bells and whistles. But god forbid you want to use 3rd party cartridges that haven't managed to perfectly copy the DRM chip. And if you don't use it frequently enough, it will just piss away all its ink in the cleaning cycle. Oh, and it also died twice so far and half the cloud services it came with no longer work. After about 3 years.
My folks had an Admiral brand freezer that was 40 years old and still functioned like new up until the compressor belt snapped. My dad tried replacing that belt, but he couldn't find one. By contrast, that one freezer outlasted not one, not two, but _three_ newer models in that time.
@@cessamichelle but I was told it was "smart". Why do i need to be smart then? My fridge, my fridge has it covered. I just get stuck when it dies. I literally don't know what to do.
Indeed my one microwave is older than most ppl reading this since it was made in sept 87 and the only part that no longer works is the light My grandmothers blender and 3 speed electric mixer/beaters are from the late 50s and mid 60s;; still work perfectly They outlasted her and I've been using them since I was a kid many many years ago
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“Lobbying” was a term created for no purpose other than normalizing bribery.
Louis is making a good first step but what he is fighting for is right to repair, but we actually need is for products to be designed for repair instead of disposal.
@@tomx641 if you get one state to sign legislation the rest usually fall in line because manufacturers really don't want to make a special SKU just for 1 state.
@@greatvalue5566 Yesterday I did an A1466 (MacBook Air 2015) logic board liquid damage repair, and I charged $100 after three hours of scrubbing off corrosion using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush. I was able to repair it, otherwise I charge a $25 diagnostic fee. I believe my price is fair, considering other repair shops charge double and Apple charges like six times as much.
It is insane that 8 years ago we were sold on an idea that the new stainless steel fridge, dishwasher and stove were better appliances and that we should replace our 12 yr old ones. Fast forward today and we’ve had nothing but issues and just replaced the dishwasher. Let’s make old kitchen appliances trendy again 🥲
@@coreynweiss My grandma's fridge, freezer, washer, dryer, dishwasher, hob and cooker hood are all from the late 70s, and don't have a single issues Meanwhile, I've been through about 3 of each over the last 10 years
The ultimate in "old man speak", but it's so true! I'm only in my late 30s now (borderline old man), and even I see examples all the time. They truly don't make em like they used to. Anything.
Everytime I see this topic about right to repair it reminds me of the children’s movie “Robots”. “Why upgrade when people can just repair?” “We’re gonna stop selling parts!”
i agree. i am subscribed to both LTT and Louis Rossman and even though this came out first, i came from Louis' video thanking Linus. I stupidly skipped this just because of its title lol
@@bruh-co8nf but a more obvious title would make sure people researching the topic consider this as valuable information. To be honest, i would assume the search algorithm had goofed up if i saw a vide called "we need action" when i'm searching for right to repair
Back in 2008 I had a Nokia N95 and cracked the screen. I ordered a new screen on Ebay for $90, opened it up and repaired it. This is an issue with lots of companies.
@@RobertShamansky Apple does not care about old iphone users, they are not the one willingly to pay 1k for a new phone, parts for anything newer than 2019 are a pain in the ass and getting them resemble more a drug deal than a legitimate part purchase.
looooool... Back in Feb 2021, I smashed my iPhone 11 screen. Ordered a new one on ebay for 70 bucks and fixed it myself. Apple doesn't stop you it's just a big pain in the ass to do.
Thank you so much Linus for making this video! Right to repair shouldn't even be a question, if I own it, I should have the right to repair it or pay someone other than the manufacturer to fix it.
It's worse than that! The manufacturer wants total control to release seriously "planned-obsolescence" items which THEY refuse to repair AND they want YOU to be unable as well! WHY? Because then THEY get to sell you ANOTHER ONE! It is B*LLSH*T
Right to repair is about the right to make your own choices. If I go to Apple with a broken screen on a MacBook, and they tell me, "we can't only replace the screen, because your mainboard shows signs of liquid damage, and by company policy we're required to swap the board if we repair your MacBook" that is their choice and I'm okay with that, but I'm not okay with Apple actively preventing other repair shops from offering the service I want, which is just a screen replacement. I should be able to say "I understand the risk, but I really only want a new screen" and not have Apple make that choice for me.
Yes! It got me furious when I was driving and heard talk show guests on the radio discussing "a weird movement from USA called right to repair, which claims everyone should be fixing their own devices..." (I am not from America). Then they talked about how stupid that sounds and how only people usually don't know how to fix devices and this only going to make things worse. Finally, they concluded that this movement makes no sense, someone called in and agreed. They completely missed the point and they're misrepresenting this great movement in front of thousands of people! There's a lot of people, who still don't get the point of the right to repair and I hope this changes, I hope they realize what it is all about.
Fixing stuff is an essential skill always, it's when we learn how things actually work and how to use tools, It's not a video, it's a skill gained through PRACTICE. Fixing stuff is how we get ourselves out of trouble, etc. It really helps to have a schematic when working on electronic stuff no? and everything is becoming more electronic, we will need to have schematics fosho.
@@fatih1186 this is not a defense as it doesn't make much sense. A 60s analog computer is mechanically way more complex than a modern laptop. I bet there are less parts in a computer today. But changing a fan or even just cleaning it, shouldn't require you to replace the mainboard and lose your data. There are enough repair shops that will do board level repair and even do BGA reflowing... They shouldn't get into legal trouble for showing schematics of devices you own in a video.
In Germany you will still get that but most of the time only for professional equipment, like if a device doesnt have good servicability its considered bad quality atleast from my experience.
Seriously this was the standard starting in the 40s and 50s when electronics were shipped in kits still. I just ordered a modern updated driver board + onboard rectification & filtration, to replace the original 1956 driver board and 90s era solid state rectification + filtration board, from the guy who made said replacement, for my Dynaco kit ST-70 that I got last year when covid started. It cost me more than i paid for the original amp but I regret nothing, and he provided me with ample instructions for how to set it up and some technical info on the schematic as well that's needed for future maintenance, if not the full schematic itself (i'm not sure as it only shipped today). The original amp manual had a full user manual in addition to a full schematic for user maintenance, repair, and modification of the amp circuit. The ST-70 still houses a thriving DIY industry that contains multiple small businesses, some of which have been in operation since before I was born, and the amp itself is older than my mother (Though just the transformers and chassis will be original once I finish updating and repairing it). The new board is going to have 15 db MORE SNR (up to 105 from 90) than the old rectifier had, while delivering a fuller richer sound that will be very close to the not DIY friendly Series III ST-70, and uses a very similar tube layout with 4 dual triode tubes. I wanted to go for another similar board that only had 3 tubes but took the same 12AU7 tubes as used in the Series III, but this board is actually superior to that and uses the same 4 tube layout, just with 6v 6922 or 6FQ7 tubes, with 6FQ7 being the equivalent to the 12AU7 that I intend to use if the 4 6922s i paid for aren't to my liking
How tf did you make a comment related to the video, while being the first comment Just realized that after slowly writing my reply, 3 other people replied the same thing
As someone that worked in the automotive industry and specifically in electronics I've seen this for years. They tried to make it a dmca violation if you accessed the vehicles onboard computer. They wanted to make sure you had to go back to the manufacture for repairs, and ESPECIALLY parts.
If your battery in your car dies, then buy a new car. If your light bulbs burn out... If your radio stops working... If your brakes are worn... If your engine needs a tune-up... If your alternator dies... And so on.
@@nickpickerwi7787 Light-bulbs? If we had almost eternal light-bulbs(which we kind of did at some point) the market would of collapsed because there would be no household in need of new light-bulbs...planned obsolescence isn't a flaw of capitalism, it is a feature.
Commenting mainly to boost engagement, this is a huge and important issue. I really like your definition of "unethical" as "not illegal, YET", I feel like that kind of thinking would've prevented a lot of business world scandals.
Thank you for finally bringing this into the circle of mainstream tech UA-camrs. About a year ago, I realised that there weren't any avenues for consumers to figure out how to tell a repairable product from a less repairable one at the point of purchase. Sure, there was iFixit which tears down devices and is an invaluable resource, but even they're limited by the sheer number of devices on the market. What if the devices in your market are simply not available on iFixit? Or what if you're buying a niche device that iFixit doesn't cover? With that in mind, I began writing the world's first repairable product buying guides aimed at teaching consumers how to tell repairable products from their less repairable counterparts at the point of purchase. Since links are most likely banned, Google "Repairable Product Buying Guides" to check it out!
I appreciate you guys drawing attention to this! I’m no longer in that particular industry, but I spent around 3 years in it spoiled by 2010-2015 machines wherein the parts were cheap and easy to find. As things became more compact and integrated, we started to lose the ability to help people. It was crushing. Watching Louis’s videos helped some, but it was an increasingly steep uphill battle with new machines. This movement might even breathe some new life into hobbyist electronics, as I learned more about circuitry breaking out Louis’ Necronomicon than anything I did and would ever do with a Raspberry Pi.
@@nesyboi9421 it’s definitely not! But the old world of electronics hobbyists has been largely replaced by a generation of microcontroller hobbyists for better or for worse. I think circuitry knowledge can be just as important as software, even if it’s not as trendy at the moment.
Sucks cause I'm pretty much in this position...my screen is getting more cracks by the day and it costs 300$ to replace thanks for bringing more attention to this topic
Back in the mid 70's my older brother fresh out of college got hired by Ford. His first project was designing a new water pump. I'll never forget this. He turns in his design for review. Upper management comes back with changes that would shorten the part's life. When he asked why they made those changes they explained design obsolescence to him.
They can make a patent on it, prevent anyone from improving the design outside of them, (least for financial benefit) thus monopolizing the market and cutting out any competition, and then force everyone around them to pay them for it.
@@Spartan322 Water pumps has been in use since forever so it (or at least in Europe) would be very difficult to get a patent on if it’s not a completely all new type of system that would be ground breakingly different. The design obsolescence is something that will be even further introduced in the Automotive world with the electrification of cars, since electric cars have less moving parts and much simpler mechanics and therefor in return will give less revenue in parts. Another trend will be that the infotainment system will be driven more towards an App Store based solution so you’ll pay for even comfort equipment like interior color lights and so on..
@@KF2NationalKartcrg "Water pumps has been in use since forever so it (or at least in Europe) would be very difficult to get a patent on if it’s not a completely all new type of system that would be ground breakingly different. " I don't get the point here. Also being different (even groundbreaking-ly different) doesn't mean better. "The design obsolescence is something that will be even further introduced in the Automotive world with the electrification of cars, since electric cars have less moving parts and much simpler mechanics and therefor in return will give less revenue in parts. Another trend will be that the infotainment system will be driven more towards an App Store based solution so you’ll pay for even comfort equipment like interior color lights and so on.." I'm not sure I get your point, designed obsolescence only happens because nobody can produce a better conception of a previously patented design, giving monopoly rights to the patent holder, preventing improvement on the design until the patent dies. I don't see that as moral and more as the core origination of the problems proposed by the "right to repair", I say fix the problem, not the symptoms, if you are are sick and have a fever, preventing the fever doesn't make you not sick anymore. (not to mention with that specific case, getting rid of the fever actually makes your condition worse because the fever is designed to try and kill the sickness)
I'm another one who rarely comments, but want this video on Trending, worldwide! Edit: Also, for everyone in the UK, please send an email to your MP about right to repair. It's important we build some momentum here for this cause (now that we're out of the EU!).
My washing machine is a Gorenje Noblesse 1112. It still works perfectly well. All i do is replace bearings and the motor brushes after i took it upon myself to repair it after the last time i had it serviced, and found out they intentionally put an inferior product so it would get broken and offered me a "deal" to take my "junk" machine and cut me a cost on a new "better" one. Figure that you're paying the same price for all plastic machines, where as old ones are still cast iron, stainless steel, and heavy duty motor. I'll never get rid of it, nor let stealerships touch it anymore, i bought parts for it 10 years ago, and i'm still running.
The moment I saw a broken iPhone 6s on the thumbnail I knew we are gonna talk about Louis Rossmann's gofund me initiative. Honestly glad this is getting mainstream recognition.
@@3dguy299 no thats not how an r/woosh works, the person above me said that it was partly true, and I don't understand how it is? I get that he isn't actually an onlyfans model but apparently he half is.
This is one of the videos that make me glad I'm a subscriber to this channel. This is not a video that was made for entertainment or to increase viewer count but to make a change in society. Sometimes we need to protect what we have before we lose them and can't get it back again
So glad you are taking a stand on this. While this isn't the focus of your channel, I hope you will keep coming back to these issues every chance you have since it is so important.
When I watched Verisatium's vid a few days back, I was wondering why no one is talking about this. Thanks Linus for bringing this to a larger audience.
I'm not from the US, but this is really important to me because anything that happens in the US tech governance scene will invariably trickle down to the rest of the world.
@@ThEuNbEaTeN1994 Wow, how dare you. Spoken like a true commie. I'll have you know the US is top in student debt and unaffordable Healthcare, and for money spent on a military!!!1!
As someone not from US as well, what is crazy about this is that in poorer part of the world repairing things like this is already absolutely perfect norm, so it is crazy how anti-consumer is most wealthiest country on the planet in comparison.
What a great summary of nearly all important info on the ways the electronic industry is producing waste. VERY good job. Its always about reducing the lifecycle-time of devices.
Whenever a company says something will "hurt innovation", they mean "It will hurt my profits" (usually it's those that are really into monopoly-like practices, like Apple).
They're innovating new ways to extricate money from you without giving you a better product! (Seriously that is what a lot of "innovation" ends up being. Not all by any stretch, but it's a big part of it.)
Imagine spending 20 million to create a device and having to share the full project with everyone. Imagine the amount of fake iPhones there would be in a week for a fraction of the price Doesn't sound fair to me.
@@Junebug89 I've known this to be true for a long time now, but the sad part is that most people don't or they just don't accept it as being true. Until it's too late to fix it, maybe.
You're doing God's work. As Rossmann pointed out, you've risked a lot by talking about this and it shows a degree of integrity and principles that are honestly non-existent in any media entity. You have earned my unequivocal respect, Linus.
Gods work? What exactly did he risk? Neither of these statements are even remotely true, dont get me wrong, this is one of the rare times I think Linus is doing something selfless and great, but dont make him out to be some self serving hero either. He is still profiting off this video, and my guess he will earn more than the 20k he has invested. Again, dont get me wrong, I have no problem with him making a profit from his videos. He is a business, just dont go worshiping a man and making him out to be some sort of idol.
@@jon9947 the 20k he had sitting in the OF account was only there because of people subscribing and tipping even though it was an april fools joke. It was never going to go in his pocket and he said that early on. So, now its as if all those people donated to Louis instead.
@@jon9947 you would be surprised how many brands, VC firms, and angel investors have a credible stake in ensuring there is no opposition to planned obsolescence and are invested in killing the right-to-repair moment. We are talking billions at stake each year. These entities will pull funding, advertising money, brand support/cooperation, and otherwise make your life hell as a business for supporting that which is directly harmful to their bottomlines. Linus could have taken the easy choice of remaining silent like pretty much everyone else, but he chose to speak out instead. It's not like he has a dearth of video ideas. Making a video like this is a lose-lose proposition. Public memory is short, they will forget about this in two days, but Apple and associated brands and investors that are affected by right-to-repair will hold that grudge for the foreseable future. Linus will actually lose money over this.
This is one more reason why I as a guitar player still like my physical amps and effects over amp sims. I never need to be worried Marshall is gonna show up at my front door and try to install some piece of software into my DSL that prevents me from taking it to a shop if I need to get the tubes rebiased or something.
No, that's not it. The $6 million is to try and put it to a vote directly to voters in the next election cycle, bypassing the corrupt politicians that take donations from lobbyists. Law makes have no part in it. You just need enough signatures to get it on the ballot. The money is for putting out advertisements and collecting data about what is working to convince people and what isn't. A lot of big companies are against right to repair and have many millions to spend on slanderous advertisements against it. If the $6 million isn't reached, the funds will go to lobbying in the traditional fashion, trying to get lawmakers to care.
Lets get this video to 10M views before the end of the week! This isn't just for people from the US. The sooner this becomes a law somewhere, the sooner it can more easily be implemented in other places!!!
@@DemonofChaos264 We're starting doing something about it: France introduced a "Repairability Index" and other countries are probably going to follow with similar initiatives in order to push manifacturers to make repairs a more viable option. It's still a very long way but yes, EU is way ahead of US, but most importantly going the right direction.
@@KaiserSoze87 Unfortunately the index has quite some flaws. It shows several apple product with a high index according to Louis. Now in reality, yes you could repair but nobody gives the shops the replacement parts and then we hae the software lock where a battery exchange even with an orgiinal part locks you out. Forcing you to only go through the apple story repair and not any other one. Not to speak of even trying to do it yourself.
@@DemonofChaos264 In EU the repair laws are getting passed faster, but still way too slow. I think that people in europe have a slightly different mentality and we like owning our stuff
@@sabinelettmas1045 Yes, heard of it years ago. €500 for 5 year old phone was their business if I remember correctly. Making a R2R law and having companies pay for their polution seems more effective in keeping innovation going.
What nevers fail to surprise me is that sometimes the most anti-consumers are the consumers themselves. Some act like if being critical of a company is like a betrayal. But you pay them of a service or a product. You owe nothing to them.
@@bladerj So bro are you Russian or Chinese? Because in America we have this weird thing called property rights, and it means you do own that Ford. You can modify it, repaint it, resell it, rebadge it blah blah blah it belongs to you if you have bought it and paid taxes on it: then it's yours. No one else can tell you what to do with it as long as you're not endangering someone else's life or breaking a law, and of course this is within reasonable bounds of discretion regarding unforeseen circumstances, but by and large, you can use your stuff too do what you like with it. It's a small facet of American Freedom that we won't be giving up anytime soon. So just exactly what are you talking about? Are you a robot just making s*** up as you go along the way these weird newfangled Ai do? Just to see what kind of response you get? Are you a legit corporate-communist, already sold on the concept of State or corporate ownership of all material and persons within its jurisdictions? Or are you, as the previous commenter suggested, just having the piss on that good good? Because something about your comment is 📴.♂️ And if you think you're going to pull some weird revisionist history stuff then just like, what¿ But actually I'm thinking now that you just have no idea what you're talking about and have read a bunch of that stuff on the internet, which I can't blame you for. Hope you have a nice life.
@@captainTubes He is not a Russian! He's not from Europe either! If I buy something, it's mine! As long as I don't enrich myself, it is none of the manufacturer's business what I do with "MY" product!
I have a 30-year-old refrigerator, in perfect working condition (and I kept it clean). After 10 years, it finally stopped working properly, and ice was accumulating inside since a while: ready for the trash bin and to be replaced. But at a substantial cost for the same features and size... Hence, I took my luck in hands, thinking that I would win over programmed obsolescence : changed the small internal fan+motor controlling the dispersion of the cold air, for one of a better quality and better life span; then added a galvanized iron coat rack unfolded like a rod, inside the condensation/water drain channel and attached to the resistance heating the inlet. It still works perfectly today, not a gram of ice has formed since, the temperature control works well, and since the fan is of a better cfm+quality, it takes less time than it took to balance the temperature which is more energy-efficient. Now I'll have to think about changing the sealing strips on the doors, since it's 30 years old and the material is losing its elasticity (still works, but sometimes I need to make sure that the doors are well closed else It ends up cooling the kitchen).
Now this is some important shit. I'm really glad that Linus has made a full, comprehensive video about it. Now please re-post this every 4-6 months until it gets universally passed.
imagine if everything was "use and throw away" even houses... "oh, my roof is leaking. Better tear it down and take a new mortgage on a new one." The EU is also doing right to repair-like stuff. most recently for home appliances such as washing machines. They had to last longer iirc. That's certainly a step in the right direction..
Just an FYI, thats exactly how houses are built in japan. No, not the apartment complexes inside the city, but family homes, they are made for as long as a family lives in them, then they are torn down and the plot is sold.
Here in the UK, Right to repair has come into effect this summer for fridges, washing machines and TV's. Manufactures now have to keep producing parts for their older products and ensure that they last up to 10 years. It's a step in the right direction but does not apply to Smart Phones or computers. Yet.
This is just the beginning, as a college student, I sympathize with anyone who is only able to donate a couple of bucks or isn't able to donate at all, but almost everyone has access to Twitter and their favorite tech influencers. Tweet at them every week to let them know that Louis wants to talk to them or encourage them to reach out to Louis. I honestly wish Louis had established a unified hashtag for this purpose.
I almost never comment on videos, but gotta do it on this one to help the algorithm suggest it to more people. I was very happy to see Louis choosing to dedicate the next two years of his life working hard on getting right to repair passed, and I'm happy that he managed to get other youtubers involved with it too. I sincerely hope that he reaches his funding goals, and that they manage to get right to repair passed! It's long overdue, and while I'm in Europe myself, this is a piece of legislation that can, and will, change how the whole world has to deal with it if it's passed. I've been a fan of LTT for I'm not sure how many years at this point, but I'm glad you guys were willing to publicly make a stand on the right side of this (though I know you've show support of it several times before on the WAN show and other times).
It's been a slow and steady march towards a future where we rent everything that we "own" - that's a very costly future, indeed. Lines must be drawn. If businesses won't accept reasonable terms like providing replacement parts and limiting eWaste, and not sabotaging purchased devices, then they need to be reminded that they exist and enjoy profits due to consumers being willing to purchase what they make. We can vote with our wallets. That can be (and has been) gameover for many companies in the past.
What I don't understand is why there is a focus on apple laptops and phones. This has been going on forever in almost every electronics industry. Try and get for example a spare chip or schematics for a motherboard.
I saw Louis Rossman's post on UA-cam a couple days ago talking about a "large" UA-cam creator doing a video on "Right to Repair". I was hoping it was LTT. Thank you for making this video. Donating for sure. This shouldn't be a problem in 2021.
Louis actually brought me to your channel! Through watching you I've gotten very interested in upgrading my laptop, and even the idea that I can buy parts and do it myself make me so happy, this bill needs to be passed absolutely ASAP.
two years ago I was being charged $600 for a new keyboard because the space bar broke on my macbook pro... Im glad i made the switch to PC since then... However not everybody can afford to change their hardware. The right to repair is a necessity not only for the people but its a step in the right direction towards diminishing e-waste.
My gf damaged her screen on iphone11. Apple said they can only replace the whole display, which costs 3x more than unofficial repair shop, who actually repair what’s broken. This is just retarded.
@@shahnazfiaz2015 no, you pay $600 for the premium space bar. They offered me a battery replacement on an 4 year old iphone 5S for the cost of $100+. The newer Iphone SE had a price of $200 at the same time.
I guess if enough people are onboard with something it immediately becomes cool to be against it in some folks minds. Also, there's a guy further down who is replying to a comment and saying he doesn't believe companies like John Deere really do this with the intention people say, and that he thinks this thing is making way to big a fuzz and he thinks it all seems a bit too dramatic and noisy, so it's just not for him. He is gonna keep repairing regardless if he has a right to it or whatever. wut?
many defend for profit companies, Tech CEO's, and consoles having exclusives..... i shit you not. but man, can hope all efforts for right to repair set in stone a better future for future owners of tech!
Same thing with net neutrality.. same thing with pretty much every single possible thing in life that isn't understood. The problem is education, and false education ("fake news" without the irony). The people reaping profits don't want the population educated, so they mislead them instead, and because of how gigantic these corporations are (even governments), they have an extreme amount of sway into getting people to believe their 'facts' vs what the actual reality is. This has ended up with the people who know the true facts as the minority instead of the majority, and they are attacked for being "wrong" and "misleading", and nobody bats an eye because of the herd mentality. Every single industry is affected by this; technology, medical, food, etc.. If it makes a profit, there's people who want that profit secured forever, by any means necessary; including the cost of the planet and every living species on it (yes, human life too if it wasn't already obvious). Nothing will change unless the majority of normal people become educated and the role reversal swaps, which leads to us finally using our power to better ourselves.. until the whole thing inevitably swaps again because corruption, as troped in fiction, is a very very strong driving force most people succumb to. Anyway, if there's one thing we can point to that really needs changing ASAP, it's the patent system. It's obsolete and does practically nothing but damage to progress/innovation at this point in time and is mainly used as, you guessed it, a profit vector. Man, the more I think about things, the more I give up at humanity ever being fixable. I'm sure my family and I will be long dead by that point anyway..
Have a like, have a comment; this is important in my opinion. Also a quick shoutout to Louis! That man has been in the trenches of the right to repair fight for years now.
"Apple deciding to grant it's customers a little bit more ownership of their own devices that they paid for is not consumer choice and its not freedom. That should be a right, not something apple grants at it's discretion. " Holy shit. True.
@@lukeshanley8465 Slightly agreed. What we're talking about here is ... Fixing and repairing like..broken screens, camera and stuff. When it comes to android we have the freedom to go get it fixed anywhere, as long as the parts are genuine. Not the same with apple. The device wont work normally if we try to get it fixed from somewhere else. Even if the parts are swapped from the same new model of another unit... Pretty sad.
@Kevin George Apple directly blocks people from repairing its products outside its own grotesquely overpriced repair framework. No-one's asking them to 'help', they're asking them to stop deliberately making it hard to repair products. It's unethical and environmentally destructive.
About to open a repair shop, right to repair is good for everyone, small repair shops will not lose a single customer over right to repair passing. Even if you gave a customer a step by step lesson on how to repair a broken laptop keyboard or something: that customer will likely not want to do it themselves anyways.... most people prefer the convenience and "peace of mind" that says to them that the job was done right (the people I'm referring to prefer technicians no matter how easy the job) when they go to a mechanic or technician. A massive wave of people fixing their own devices will not hurt repair shops.... there's so many other related ways for us to make money.
@@yaboiavery5986 Part of that is covid..... at the shop I currently work at: we got less repairs as soon as people started getting their stimmy checks and we got more sales of new devices and more trade-ins (we give discounts on old devices traded in as long as the person is able to remove the google account/icloud to avoid accidentally accepting a stolen phone or being stuck with a just a harvest phone.... repair/refurbish the device and sell it again)... I predict repairs will jump right back to where it was in terms of actually making money as soon as the world gets back into the swing of things after covid.... (tangentially related but: the vaccine hurts worse than a tetanus shot.... better be worth it.)
Ooh PLEASE lets not start the printer cartridge conversation again....... We ALL know THAT is a complete SCAM...!! Thats why the printer is sold so cheaply, because those companies make their money on the cartridges that are suppose to be full when sold, but are only half full to scam people.
Damn, the Printer industry is perhaps the most outrageous example out there. Just recently, the HP LaserJet my sister bought to print my niece's homework essentially became a brick because HP discontinued the cartridge for it. That LaserJet cost $300 and she hasn't even had it for a year.
Nope. The toner cartridges for that model (107f) are chipped, so the printer detects "genuine" HP toner cartridges and will only work with them. Heck, the toner even gets linked to the first printer you install it on, so if you swap it to another printer of the same model, it will refuse to print.
Thank you LTT for talking about this important subject, I think it could be cool if it’s possible to make a caloberation with Rossmann on this subject.
I think one of the best ways to keep repairability is to ask all famous reviewers to actually discuss it in their review. Buyers depend on these reviewers on their decision-making and most of these reviewers focus too much on thinness and weight (the two things that actually make repairability almost invalid). I personally don't care if my laptop is 1 cm thicker if that means that I can repair it with third-party service center.
This is amazing. Thank you so much!
Thank You Louis for all you've done so far!
And thank you, Louis, for being at the forefront of this cause! You are one of the reasons it is getting any traction!
Second?
Time to ride the train Louis. Best of luck to you 👍 and we should be thanking you, not the other way round. You're an inspiration to us all
the email wave is working
As Louis Rossman and Linus said them putting out this video could actually potentially compromise future sponsor segments from many companies. It's a HUGE DEAL that they're doing this and making this video for the ethics. Thank you Linus and LTT!!
Except for iFixit
@@sabinelettmas1045 Yes, and other then that its dogshit
@@ggeilokowski actually no.
Two friends of mine use it and they're pretty happy with it.
This thing is pretty indestructable!
@@ggeilokowski Bruh... I'd say it's subpar at worst. But for the price you're paying, and the flexibility you're getting, I'd go as far as to say that it's actually a pretty good deal. I just hope they come out with a better, more modern version soon as the current offerings are starting to show their age.
Nope, they will be at loss if they start to avoid LTT. Since this is the most genuine and straightforward tech channel in the entire UA-cam!
As a tinkerer and a car guy I couldn’t be more passionate about this sort of thing. Thanks Linus!
Amazing job Linus, we need more of this
Yes sir. Let's start setting legal precedents! I just donated!.
This is a huge problem in the farming industry. Companies like John Deere will not allow people to tune their equipment in any way. You aren't even supposed to be able to access their software in the equipment. This makes doing repairs on your own extremely difficult.
I feel you brother, as a guy who works for a chain I see people bring in good hardware for recycle on a weekly basis. Luckily for me I can't find anything in our rules that forbids me from buying stuff off our customers and my manager doesn't seem to care, so I have and do, when possible. I get to save things from the grinder and sell cheap computers back to my community, sure I still make a profit I'm not going to act like it's all charity work or anything, but it's more beneficial to those that buy my machines and those I buy them from so I'll take the W where I can.
Sometimes I wonder what kind of person recycles even a 4th gen i5 much less an 8th gen one...
I agree Too... thanks Louis Rossmann 😜
Right to Repair is the only thing I can think of that's bringing together everyone from gamers to farmers.
I totally agree! It should concern everyone because right to repair involves needless waste of goods that are perfectly operable, IF goods were designed to be repaired we wouldn't waste as much. It is an environmental no-brainer as much as it is a social issue. It should concern everyone, because it does involve everyone.
Exactly. Right to repair is for everyone and everyone should be interested!
John Deere
@@everythingtractors9332 hi WD
@@isthatasupra9569 How Did U Find Me?
This is a topic that really needs mainstream attention, thank you Linus for covering it.
how? oh wait, you have floatplane?
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Thank you Basil
@@Echolon basil!!!
@@moozdoomz7573 true!!! Also I always buy most my electronics cheap but yeah. But the worst thing is when you have something with exclusive games for examples like the xbox 360 sense that broke for me I either had to buy a new consle or lose like $100+ of games (which I just lost my games because that's stupid I'm not buying another thing that'll break down)
I had a 2011 MacBook Air with a dead WiFi card.
Apple Genius quoted 649$ in parts and labor.
Louis Rossmann quoted 90$ parts & free labor.
This is real folks and it will affect us all if we don’t help him stop it.
Oof
Yeah Samsung quoted 70$ without shipping to repair or replace my s7 battery. A local shop charged 13.50$ for it.
The point is, if you are in shengzheng, you probably can fix it with maybe $10 parts and $20 labor, or if you are in other cities of China you can fix it with $10 parts + maybe $5 shipping, and fix it with some online guide by yourself
i also dont understand the ppl who throw out old phones/laptops even if they have space to store them
like why, u can reuse the battery, screens, fans, lights, etc.etc.
reuse reuse reuse
@@fz8691 you can directly buy official samsung parts on their website. For 13.50$, it was probably a non genuine battery, that may have more risks of failure
this is such a hugely important issue that isn't brought to attention enough, thank you LMG for putting this video together
Guys, let's donate. I swear every dollar we put into this will pay back 10 times each and every time you will buy a new laptop/phone/etc!
He didn't mention it in the video, but I think it is important to push Linux as a home user OS for older computers. I bet many people throw away perfectly functional machines that are too outdated for windows 10 but can still rock for years using Lubuntu for instance and maybe a cheap SSD upgrade.
my old desktop takes longer to shutdown on Windows 10 than it takes to boot Lubuntu lol
@@srpenguinbr Unfortunately people also have this idea that because Windows 10 is the latest version of Windows they have to have it. Security issues, blah, blah, aside... people simply don't understand that you don't have to use the latest or what's already installed on a shop bought system.
@@FlyboyHelosim well I updated from 7 to 10 pro due to the security concerns, because my dad uses it for tax declaration, but I have windows 7 DVDs on my drawer just in case. I think it's a pity I cannot transfer the OS license to another computer.
Now it has a dual boot with Lubuntu (default)
I wish Amazon would let me filter by a "repairability score" so I can find items that were designed to be repaired.
That would be extremely hard for amazon to implement unless they allowed companies to self submit their score which would certainly lead to lying.
@@austinblackburn8095 This directly conflicts with the interest of amazon, but if they where to do it. I would assume they would partner with someone like iFixIt
I think ifixit does something similar, like they have repairability ratings.
Maybe what we need is a website like rotten tomatoes to rate electronics repairability
Amazon makes some of the least repairable devices ever, their kindle tablets are all soldered and it is almost impossible to get spare parts for them. Amazon would not add a score in
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thank you for plugging Rossman like that, this is so important and i shouldn't be surprised Linus sees that.
HP instruments (and IBM computers!) used to come with their full schematics. You can still repair the HP pre-1990 stuff today. Then one day, a late and valuable 1990’s instrument failed (from a complex power supply failure). No schematics, although the service manual refers to it by component number - the schematics had obviously been removed from the manual by the evil marketing folks. Call to HP/Agilent/Keysight: “Sorry, it’s too new, we stopped supporting component level repair at about that time, so no schematics”. Great. Can I buy the replacement supply then? “Sorry it’s too old, we don’t support assembly level repair for these anymore”. I fixed the darn thing (it’s still worth $10,000!) by reverse engineering it, but darn it, this isn’t the HP that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard started. Over to Louis’ fundraiser I go!
I've been watching your latest repair adventure, and there's no way an instrument like that should be discarded for any reason.
Similarly, old IBM Thinkpads were the last great mobile computing devices. It was all downhill from there.
I bought a cheap broken bench top multimeter couple years back from like the early 90s, pretty unknown brand.
Turned out the company still exists today and I wrote them a mail being sure I will get the standard reply ala "sorry we cant do that etc etc".
Got a reply and they actually send me the scanned copies as a pdf from both the complete service manual and schematics.
Was actually quite a bit wrong with it, power supply ic failed, multiple tantal caps in the analog circuitry were dead, a comparator ic died.
Due to the documents provided the diagnosis and repair was relatively quick, you dont see many companies providing that nowadays.
Though I have to applaud their support team, as far as I know their newer products also dont provide these documents anymore.
And just because you know the pin-outs of the chips doesn't mean you understand exactly how it works, or would be anywhere close to being able to reverse engineer the component. You just know enough to understand which parts you'd need to replace, if say, the video output signal was very dirty.
you're repair adventure has been very interesting, and has convinced me to make.proper documentation for all of my projects
Thanks Linus.
My parents finally sold their farm (and retired) a couple years ago. They donated their Ford 9N tractor to another farm down the street.
That's a 60 year old tractor still helping farmers stay profitable, and putting food on tables.
John Deere would love it if they could get rid of all the old equipment that is easy to repair.
Imagine having to buy a new car after your doorhandle broke. Epic.
It would be more like, you would need to go to a brand certified garage and pay around half the cost of the total car to get it fixed. And when you do get it fixed, the fix will cause the car to be unavailable to you for 4 weeks and when you get the car back, anything you left in the car (like childseats, sunglasses etc ) is gone
@@dalyxia this perfectly sums up exactly how Apple handles it's repairs.
EXACTLY
@Dragos where tf u getting ur car fixed to have that happen
@@stevenr3544 bruh, it's a metaphor for how Apple handleds its repairs.
After having managed a 3rd party repair shop while going to college for IT, Ive been a part of the 'Right to Repair' cause for years now - even after I left the repair industry. It makes me so happy to see LTT bringing more attention to this issue. Thank you so very much.
Good
yeah, good thing Linus has been bringing attention to this for the past couple of years now.
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@@walidfakhfakh3660 what's wrong with you? Penis isn't a verb either so that's impossible.
I would not trust your shop to properly repair my iPhone 12 Pro Max and ensure it is IP68. It is a phone, tablet or computer that is sold as a tightly integrated unit. Apple isn't the only vendor for those products, if you don't like their repair polices go else where. Trying to repair an iPhone would be like, I broke a transistor in my 7nm AMD CPU and I need to solder a replacement, it ain't gonna work. OK repairing an AMD CPU is too extreme but the point is, Apple factory performing the refurbishing is much more cost effective than paying a 3rd party repair shop that may not be equipped to handle it. I actually had a 3rd party repair shop repair my daughters cracked iPad Air screen, what a friggen waste of money, the screen was substandard. I would have saved money by not trying to save money and cheap out on a 3rd party. In the end I just bought her a new iPad Pro.
Can confirm they always try to upsell you to buy a new phone when you go in for repair too, my iphone 6 wouldn't connect to their wifi for 'diagnostics' but then I connected to the shopping center wifi and it was magically fixed... at least screen repairs were ONLY $150 then.
Yeah, similar here with my brother’s phone needing a screen, and they quoted him around 300 bucks… needless to say, his screen is still cracked and slowly peeling off.
The service is bad enough that for replacing certain parts I default to DIY knowing I can successfully do it. I'm running a 6S and I have 0 reason to change as long as it runs because I'm not into shiny gimmicks. I love the phones but everything related to service and repairs is subpar on Apple part. I do hope that they'll be forced to change but I also know that tabloids run on "X company item exploded" headlines to make a quick buck. My good friend thought SpaceX new rockets exploding meant that the company was doing poorly but that's only based on headlines and his general lack of interest in the topic to see further.
ouuch, $150 is so much
Before I became more involved in tech and devises a 1-2 hour drive to the nearest apple store and a $500 bill for a slow phone happened every few months. All for a simple cookie clear closing tabs and uninstalling crap shouldn't cost $500cad
@@HHalcyon Hell yeah. Just replaced the screen and battery on my 6s
if feels like, every year Apple is working hard to make that one south park episode a reality
???
It's he ultmate hold my beer moment. They even have it in he software if you don't use apple parts you get a message saying it's not official please only use authorize apple parts
@@Truecrimeresearcher224 There are videos, where people take the screen of two brand new iPhone 12's and simply swap them and they still get that message.
It is just a software pairing where your phone says: "I was first turned on with the screen with ID XYZABC and if I get turned on with anything else I will display that error message.
And only Apple and their partners have the tools to reset it.
Thank you Linus! I’m so glad you took the time to make this video!
I'm even gladder about his $20,000 contribution! WAY TO GO LINUS!
Nice to see you around the comment sections a bit more. Please, keep doing what you’re doing!
Hey Jessa, nice to see you here.
How are you not verified with 100k plus subs?
Heart this, Linus, this is Rossmann's partner in RTR!
I'd love a whole WAN show or something like that with Louis and Linus talking about this in even more depth.
You can also just search up "Louis Rossman" haha
@@WillFaustCuber Yeah you can if you want. Maybe you can do that and maybe there will be a WAN show about the subject mentioned above. Either way it doesn't matter, both of our comments do not matter.
Wait; do you hear the super strings that make up the subatomic particles of our universe? That is the tenth dimension 🤯
@Karl King Time travel exists so say hello, aliens are not what people think.
I too want this to happen.
Yesss
As a car enthusiast and a tech guy, this is a hard thing to see happen right in front of us, I'm donating.
Yet people are loving the m1 & apple gaining even MORE control lol
Tesla be like : "Oh you wanna repair your car? Guys check this out this guy wants to repair his car hahahahahah"
All new cars will be like this soon too, I don't doubt. Opening up your hood for any reason will trigger a locking mechanism in the starter or something.
Brought HP x360 Envy with touchscreen for $1500 NZD. Screen got cracked and was quoted ~$1300 NZD from official HP repair in this country.
Was advised the screen panel alone was not replaceable as HP now only supplied replacements of the whole screen assembly (incl cameras, antenna and casing) as a completed unit.
Went to AliExpress, found and brought the EXACT screen panel and it was shipped to New Zealand DURING COVID LOCKDOWN in both China and NZ within a week...for ~$300 NZD (cost & Freight) and replaced it myself.
I have worked in IT for 30 odd years and see more and more of this wastage happening each year which frustrates the hell out of me.
We need more of these right to repair initiatives around the world to kick off and go to our respective lawmakers!!!
no fucking way i cant believe thst louis’s movement is finally seeing some momentum, puts a smile on my face
who's louis
@@Name-mi7bx louis rossman
I knew he was an advocate for right to repair, is it "his" movement? I mean did he start it? Just wondering
@@jimmyd4341 no he didn't start it but he goes to hearings as a business owner to state why right to repair is a good thing to States. He also has been one of the " at the front" youtubers with eyeballs to fight for it
@@jimmyd4341 Louise didn't start the movement. It's been going on for years, particularly with farming equipment that would lock itself down via software locks anytime a part needed to be replaced, and the software locks could only be opened my the manufacturer, and only or whatever price the manufacturer wanted you to pay to have it "properly repaired" because the equipment was effectively unusable until you did. Just imagine buying a car that would software lock itself every time your tire pressure dropped, and the car manufacturer would only unlock it for you after you took it to THEM for a tire repair / replacement because the manufacturer can't guarantee that a repair shop would fix the tires properly. See? They HAVE to force you to take it to them. It's for SAFETY........
The biggest joke in the phone industry is: "We're removing features and basic things to reduce our waste." while simultaneously doing the opposite and putting the problem onto the consumers instead.
On top of that: for example Samsung is skipping one of its flagships this year saying it is because of silicon shortage. Prices are skyrocketing because of this shortage while consumers throw away tons of used silicon because it got slow and laggy after the latest software update which is part of planned obsolescence or they just don't want to repair it because even local small shops are having trouble getting parts and repairing. And why would you pay a fortune just to get a few more laggy years? This makes my blood boil whenever it crosses my mind...
@@fenvesik It's a total joke the "shortage" came up "unexpectedly" like this. They seriously thought they keep binning tons of electronics and resources for new stuff will just appear out of thing air indefinitely?
Don't need a Remote with my Galaxy Note 3. Until now. No Smartphones with IR anymore.
@@OMNIDROID2995 xaiomi phones still have ir blasters
@@cin2110 Xiaomi devices are quite good in themselves. But I don't like the user interface. And if you unlock the bootloader and install LineageOS on it, many apps refuse to work despite Magisk Hide. Android has become so boring and crappy in the last few years that I'm already looking for a good Linux phone (Free Bluetooth HiFi with Dual Channel SBC and custum bitpools) and will get a cheap phone for all the Google junk. Android has become what Apple was 5 years ago.
"We stop 3rd party repairs so we can fix it ourselves"
Ok, can you fix this?
"Sorry, we can't fix this"
- OK, can you fix this?
- Sure, but it's gonna cost you. Your phone is 2 years old, may I interest you in a trade-in?
@@Shorty15c4007 How is it that conspiracy artists don't talk about this yet they think that COVID is man made and that the vaccine is for controlling your brain?
Exactly.
Or
Sure its 1200 bucks.....
They dont say that they cant fix it, they say that they WONT fix it. They dont want top be labeled as incompetents
Imagine if we could easily replace the batteries on our phones. They would last so much longer!
Yeah but this is largely due to dumb consumers. Samsung for the longest time was doing everything right; replaceable batteries, sd card support, and much easier to repair, but apple kept outselling them so they just said “fuck it, if you can’t beat em, join em”
@@MrShitthead Still have the headphone jack so that's something
@@cmeier360 idk buddy, they removed it on their latest phones
I have an older samsung device and I love it, replaceable battery, sd card, almost indestructibe. Only downside is that it has a crappy camera, but it was 120 (bought it for 60) bucks after all. Not bad.
@@MrMoon-hy6pn Not all of them. You can get their mid rangers like the A72 which still rocks the headphone jack and SD card support upto 1TB and you won't be disappointed with the screen and camera as well.
Ah, if only there is a grand standing exploit in UA-cam's algorithms to get this shown even more.
Like Yorkshire tea.
Yeah 400k views on a 13m channel isnt that great
@@imgladnotu9527 because it's only been a few hours. Watch it get 2 million tommorow
Noice
Algorithmic Commentary!
Finally, something with common sense. Let's all raise our voices together, for we can't let them get away with this
yes he (they) cant keep getting away with this!
Louis Rossmann literally spent the last 5 years of his life to enforce the right to repair agents apple
@@xzerox200922 hell I knew something had to be done but I never thought it could be done before, now it's solid that we all must demand change
#EatTheRich
Right to repair shouldn’t even be a discussion, sad. Cheers Linus.
Exactly
Yeah greetings from the eu
The times people say something shouldn't be a discussion are oftentimes the exact moment we need a discussion. This is one of those times. Adding legislation doesn't solve a problem government itself has caused. *Removing* intellectual property *legislation* is a far more legitimate solution than *adding* more legislation to only increase the advantage large tech manufacturers have over smaller companies (via having more legal resources to ensure comolainace with the law).
And just think about it like this farmers have been trying to get this passed ever since John deer switched over to more complex tractors. Farmers end up spending an arm and a leg for a repair and part that honestly isn't needed. Plus it slows down efficiency
Try replacing the screen/rear glass on a iphone X/11/12, The screen/rear is fucking glued and needs to be heated/lasered off just to replace the digitizer/lcd/rear glass. Such a fucking scummy move, there's other ways to water seal phones.
The federal government is starting to recognize this. We did it boys.
AYOO CHECK THE NEWS
Keep up the fight. The oligarchs are always looking for new loopholes. We can overcome them!
Thank you for supporting louis, this is an important cause, and I'm glad to see you joining in the support!
When I studied engineering here in Germany we had a lesson about planned obsolescence
Our prof did design cheap garden tools for a company which should last 15hours working time
I know someone who was involved in the développement of chips that count pages in printers, so that your printer stops printing after a number of pages per ink charge....
@@Bratfalken technology makes it fairly easy to develop with planed obsolescence in mind
One of the best advices I can give: Look for professional products.
A KitchenAid maybe expensive, but it's designed to last and you can repair it quite easily
Instead of buying an inkjet printer get a proper office laser printer, you don't need color b/w is more than enough
It can be a hassle and has it's own fallpits but from my experience it's usually worth it
Wow 15 hours is absurd. Makes me think of a budget ratcheting screwdriver I bought that didn't even make it through one Ikea bed.
@@vinno97 gotta steal another one. It's pretty much just a warranty. Not really stealing.
One of the insidious things is that it's impossible as a consumer to know how long a device will last you. Not everything is built to fail, but there is no way to tell until the product is so old it's no longer sold.
I bought a cheap consumer laser printer almost 10 years ago. It has never had a single issue and prints with whatever random cartridge I find on Amazon. No chip, no page counter. If prints fade, I shake up the cartridge and print another 100 pages. I bolted a Raspberry Pi to it and now I can print from anywhere with standard protocols.
My grandfather bought a much more expensive inkjet printer. It's great. It has all the bells and whistles. But god forbid you want to use 3rd party cartridges that haven't managed to perfectly copy the DRM chip. And if you don't use it frequently enough, it will just piss away all its ink in the cleaning cycle. Oh, and it also died twice so far and half the cloud services it came with no longer work. After about 3 years.
70s fridge: I will outlive you and your descendants. I am eternal. I am time itself
2020 appliances: *break after 2 years
My folks had an Admiral brand freezer that was 40 years old and still functioned like new up until the compressor belt snapped. My dad tried replacing that belt, but he couldn't find one. By contrast, that one freezer outlasted not one, not two, but _three_ newer models in that time.
Wife: I want a stainless steel one.
@@cessamichelle but I was told it was "smart". Why do i need to be smart then? My fridge, my fridge has it covered. I just get stuck when it dies. I literally don't know what to do.
It's a shame that same goes for the auto industry as well. Some people need those vehicles to make their living, but they break in a couple of years.
Indeed my one microwave is older than most ppl reading this since it was made in sept 87 and the only part that no longer works is the light
My grandmothers blender and 3 speed electric mixer/beaters are from the late 50s and mid 60s;; still work perfectly They outlasted her and I've been using them since I was a kid many many years ago
“Lobbying” was a term created for no purpose other than normalizing bribery.
Time to move those DOGE profits over to Louis
when legion review 😂🤣
Asus is a prime example of planned obsolescence in PC segment. their products will most definitely break right after warranty period ends lol
Louis is making a good first step but what he is fighting for is right to repair, but we actually need is for products to be designed for repair instead of disposal.
@@cripticdestiny completely unrelated to Jarrods post and a ridiculous claim without any basis. Still using a GTX 970 from Asus.
@@tomx641 if you get one state to sign legislation the rest usually fall in line because manufacturers really don't want to make a special SKU just for 1 state.
As an independent repair technician, this video is exactly what I've been hoping for! Thank you, Linus!
Keep repairing our shit thank you for your service
Your name is Linus too?! Congratulations on the topic-relevant coverage Linus.
This guy overcharges people for a living
@@greatvalue5566 you don't know how much he charges for a repair, get outa here
@@greatvalue5566 Yesterday I did an A1466 (MacBook Air 2015) logic board liquid damage repair, and I charged $100 after three hours of scrubbing off corrosion using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush. I was able to repair it, otherwise I charge a $25 diagnostic fee. I believe my price is fair, considering other repair shops charge double and Apple charges like six times as much.
"Don't you ever throw this away. They don't make them like this anymore."
It is insane that 8 years ago we were sold on an idea that the new stainless steel fridge, dishwasher and stove were better appliances and that we should replace our 12 yr old ones. Fast forward today and we’ve had nothing but issues and just replaced the dishwasher. Let’s make old kitchen appliances trendy again 🥲
* Slaps top of washer *
You could fit SO many _right to repair_ in this baby
@@coreynweiss My grandma's fridge, freezer, washer, dryer, dishwasher, hob and cooker hood are all from the late 70s, and don't have a single issues
Meanwhile, I've been through about 3 of each over the last 10 years
The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles.
The ultimate in "old man speak", but it's so true!
I'm only in my late 30s now (borderline old man), and even I see examples all the time. They truly don't make em like they used to. Anything.
Everytime I see this topic about right to repair it reminds me of the children’s movie “Robots”. “Why upgrade when people can just repair?” “We’re gonna stop selling parts!”
Yep this is so important! Now I can afford new devices but I remember the times I could not, and I really enjoyed fixing my own stuff. I donated.
That's awesome!
Hi verified person. Your awesome for donating!
How Much?
@@austinthenoob Beat me to it lol
I donated, an old friend works at an independent repair shop in Idaho. I've been looking for a way to push this idea for a while.
Please include "Right to Repair" in the title as a way for people to find this video when they are researching the topic !
UA-cam indexes this automatically based on keywords already, no need for lengthening it
i agree. i am subscribed to both LTT and Louis Rossman and even though this came out first, i came from Louis' video thanking Linus. I stupidly skipped this just because of its title lol
@@bruh-co8nf but a more obvious title would make sure people researching the topic consider this as valuable information.
To be honest, i would assume the search algorithm had goofed up if i saw a vide called "we need action" when i'm searching for right to repair
Just #RightToRepair at the end of the actual title would be great
ltt is all clickbait titles absent of any information whatsoever and they'll never change
Louis is a real stand up guy. Your support for him has garnered my respect. Thank you Linus
Love that you highlighted Veritasium's video; the concept of manufactured obsolescence is vital in this discussion. Great video as always!
Back in 2008 I had a Nokia N95 and cracked the screen. I ordered a new screen on Ebay for $90, opened it up and repaired it. This is an issue with lots of companies.
How did you crack that screen, eithout cracking the space-time continuum?
Bruh why I see you everywhere 😅😂
Can you imagine that I did the same thing with iPhone 6s just this summer?
@@RobertShamansky Apple does not care about old iphone users, they are not the one willingly to pay 1k for a new phone, parts for anything newer than 2019 are a pain in the ass and getting them resemble more a drug deal than a legitimate part purchase.
looooool... Back in Feb 2021, I smashed my iPhone 11 screen. Ordered a new one on ebay for 70 bucks and fixed it myself. Apple doesn't stop you it's just a big pain in the ass to do.
Thank you so much Linus for making this video! Right to repair shouldn't even be a question, if I own it, I should have the right to repair it or pay someone other than the manufacturer to fix it.
It's worse than that! The manufacturer wants total control to release seriously "planned-obsolescence" items which THEY refuse to repair AND they want YOU to be unable as well! WHY? Because then THEY get to sell you ANOTHER ONE! It is B*LLSH*T
Right to repair is about the right to make your own choices. If I go to Apple with a broken screen on a MacBook, and they tell me, "we can't only replace the screen, because your mainboard shows signs of liquid damage, and by company policy we're required to swap the board if we repair your MacBook" that is their choice and I'm okay with that, but I'm not okay with Apple actively preventing other repair shops from offering the service I want, which is just a screen replacement. I should be able to say "I understand the risk, but I really only want a new screen" and not have Apple make that choice for me.
@@tracylf5409 It's an environmental crime too.
America seems to be a stupid country, you should come to India, here nobody gives a shit what you do with your device, not even apple employees.
Yes! It got me furious when I was driving and heard talk show guests on the radio discussing "a weird movement from USA called right to repair, which claims everyone should be fixing their own devices..." (I am not from America). Then they talked about how stupid that sounds and how only people usually don't know how to fix devices and this only going to make things worse. Finally, they concluded that this movement makes no sense, someone called in and agreed. They completely missed the point and they're misrepresenting this great movement in front of thousands of people! There's a lot of people, who still don't get the point of the right to repair and I hope this changes, I hope they realize what it is all about.
Linus has joined the fight
Wasn't expecting you to see you here mr stix
Welcome to the party, pal.
There’s no 20k donation on go fund me... so he hasn’t joined the fight YET.
He does takes brakes! Thanks for your videos.
He did do a whole video about avoiding subscriptions on his garage opener.
Fixing stuff is an essential skill always, it's when we learn how things actually work and how to use tools, It's not a video, it's a skill gained through PRACTICE. Fixing stuff is how we get ourselves out of trouble, etc. It really helps to have a schematic when working on electronic stuff no? and everything is becoming more electronic, we will need to have schematics fosho.
In the 70s you had a full schematic printed in the manual and a phone number to buy replacement parts.
Still in the 90s 🤷♂️
Modern digital systems are way more complex tho. But I get your point 👍
@@fatih1186 this is not a defense as it doesn't make much sense. A 60s analog computer is mechanically way more complex than a modern laptop. I bet there are less parts in a computer today. But changing a fan or even just cleaning it, shouldn't require you to replace the mainboard and lose your data.
There are enough repair shops that will do board level repair and even do BGA reflowing... They shouldn't get into legal trouble for showing schematics of devices you own in a video.
In Germany you will still get that but most of the time only for professional equipment, like if a device doesnt have good servicability its considered bad quality atleast from my experience.
Seriously this was the standard starting in the 40s and 50s when electronics were shipped in kits still. I just ordered a modern updated driver board + onboard rectification & filtration, to replace the original 1956 driver board and 90s era solid state rectification + filtration board, from the guy who made said replacement, for my Dynaco kit ST-70 that I got last year when covid started. It cost me more than i paid for the original amp but I regret nothing, and he provided me with ample instructions for how to set it up and some technical info on the schematic as well that's needed for future maintenance, if not the full schematic itself (i'm not sure as it only shipped today). The original amp manual had a full user manual in addition to a full schematic for user maintenance, repair, and modification of the amp circuit. The ST-70 still houses a thriving DIY industry that contains multiple small businesses, some of which have been in operation since before I was born, and the amp itself is older than my mother (Though just the transformers and chassis will be original once I finish updating and repairing it). The new board is going to have 15 db MORE SNR (up to 105 from 90) than the old rectifier had, while delivering a fuller richer sound that will be very close to the not DIY friendly Series III ST-70, and uses a very similar tube layout with 4 dual triode tubes. I wanted to go for another similar board that only had 3 tubes but took the same 12AU7 tubes as used in the Series III, but this board is actually superior to that and uses the same 4 tube layout, just with 6v 6922 or 6FQ7 tubes, with 6FQ7 being the equivalent to the 12AU7 that I intend to use if the 4 6922s i paid for aren't to my liking
Thank you Linus for talking about this important issue! I really hope pro right to repair legislation gets passed!
How are you the first comment with this
Jesus christ, how did you comment so fast.
???? This video came out 15 seconds ago....
How tf did you make a comment related to the video, while being the first comment
Just realized that after slowly writing my reply, 3 other people replied the same thing
you haven’t even watched the whole video
The way everything is laid out is so clear and wonderful
Enter linus
As someone that worked in the automotive industry and specifically in electronics I've seen this for years. They tried to make it a dmca violation if you accessed the vehicles onboard computer. They wanted to make sure you had to go back to the manufacture for repairs, and ESPECIALLY parts.
If you want to explain it to the opposition, "imagine having to buy a new car if you get a flat tire"
their answers would be, "i like to have "robust conversation" with you behind closed door".
I would say it is more like if your windshield breaks but you are still correct.
If your battery in your car dies, then buy a new car.
If your light bulbs burn out...
If your radio stops working...
If your brakes are worn...
If your engine needs a tune-up...
If your alternator dies...
And so on.
@@nickpickerwi7787 Light-bulbs?
If we had almost eternal light-bulbs(which we kind of did at some point) the market would of collapsed because there would be no household in need of new light-bulbs...planned obsolescence isn't a flaw of capitalism, it is a feature.
Imagine having to buy a new car becaues you've filled the tank for the 300th time and a microchip inside disables the engine after that time.
Commenting mainly to boost engagement, this is a huge and important issue.
I really like your definition of "unethical" as "not illegal, YET", I feel like that kind of thinking would've prevented a lot of business world scandals.
Thank you LTT for addressing Louis Rossmann's gofundme and inviting your 10M audience to support the cause.❤
fighttorepair is his twitter @
i'm your 69th like, this makes me so happy.
13 mil
Who?
@kitetorepair
Thank you for finally bringing this into the circle of mainstream tech UA-camrs.
About a year ago, I realised that there weren't any avenues for consumers to figure out how to tell a repairable product from a less repairable one at the point of purchase. Sure, there was iFixit which tears down devices and is an invaluable resource, but even they're limited by the sheer number of devices on the market.
What if the devices in your market are simply not available on iFixit? Or what if you're buying a niche device that iFixit doesn't cover?
With that in mind, I began writing the world's first repairable product buying guides aimed at teaching consumers how to tell repairable products from their less repairable counterparts at the point of purchase.
Since links are most likely banned, Google "Repairable Product Buying Guides" to check it out!
Louis Rossman must be so happy watching this! He's done a lot for this cause.
I just hope he didn’t have to pay for this spot
@@priceandpride no, they're Friends they have a video together fixing a iMac
@@priceandpride he made a community post thanking linus a and saying he didn't pay a dime a few days ago.
@@priceandpride no louis left a community post yesterday on his channel
He was! He left a comment. :D
I appreciate you guys drawing attention to this! I’m no longer in that particular industry, but I spent around 3 years in it spoiled by 2010-2015 machines wherein the parts were cheap and easy to find. As things became more compact and integrated, we started to lose the ability to help people. It was crushing. Watching Louis’s videos helped some, but it was an increasingly steep uphill battle with new machines. This movement might even breathe some new life into hobbyist electronics, as I learned more about circuitry breaking out Louis’ Necronomicon than anything I did and would ever do with a Raspberry Pi.
I don't think thats what a pi is for anyways, but man you go pal.
@@nesyboi9421 it’s definitely not! But the old world of electronics hobbyists has been largely replaced by a generation of microcontroller hobbyists for better or for worse. I think circuitry knowledge can be just as important as software, even if it’s not as trendy at the moment.
Louis Rosmann has been fighting this fight for a while now, stellar guy. Its nice to see linus join forces
How does this have 336 likes but no replies
Sad Mrwhosetheboss doesn’t speak about it at all
Sucks cause I'm pretty much in this position...my screen is getting more cracks by the day and it costs 300$ to replace thanks for bringing more attention to this topic
Back in the mid 70's my older brother fresh out of college got hired by Ford. His first project was designing a new water pump. I'll never forget this. He turns in his design for review. Upper management comes back with changes that would shorten the part's life. When he asked why they made those changes they explained design obsolescence to him.
They can make a patent on it, prevent anyone from improving the design outside of them, (least for financial benefit) thus monopolizing the market and cutting out any competition, and then force everyone around them to pay them for it.
@@Spartan322 Water pumps has been in use since forever so it (or at least in Europe) would be very difficult to get a patent on if it’s not a completely all new type of system that would be ground breakingly different.
The design obsolescence is something that will be even further introduced in the Automotive world with the electrification of cars, since electric cars have less moving parts and much simpler mechanics and therefor in return will give less revenue in parts. Another trend will be that the infotainment system will be driven more towards an App Store based solution so you’ll pay for even comfort equipment like interior color lights and so on..
@@KF2NationalKartcrg
"Water pumps has been in use since forever so it (or at least in Europe) would be very difficult to get a patent on if it’s not a completely all new type of system that would be ground breakingly different. "
I don't get the point here. Also being different (even groundbreaking-ly different) doesn't mean better.
"The design obsolescence is something that will be even further introduced in the Automotive world with the electrification of cars, since electric cars have less moving parts and much simpler mechanics and therefor in return will give less revenue in parts. Another trend will be that the infotainment system will be driven more towards an App Store based solution so you’ll pay for even comfort equipment like interior color lights and so on.."
I'm not sure I get your point, designed obsolescence only happens because nobody can produce a better conception of a previously patented design, giving monopoly rights to the patent holder, preventing improvement on the design until the patent dies. I don't see that as moral and more as the core origination of the problems proposed by the "right to repair", I say fix the problem, not the symptoms, if you are are sick and have a fever, preventing the fever doesn't make you not sick anymore. (not to mention with that specific case, getting rid of the fever actually makes your condition worse because the fever is designed to try and kill the sickness)
That's why Ford is where it is!
@@KF2NationalKartcrg Kind of turns them into patent trolls wouldn't you say?
the phone had to fall over at the last second cause linus hadn't dropped anything
The legend himself.
Legend
it was probably gonna expire soon anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If nothing drops, it's not a Linus video
Glitches and tricks to beat Apple's anti-consumer tactics
I'm another one who rarely comments, but want this video on Trending, worldwide!
Edit: Also, for everyone in the UK, please send an email to your MP about right to repair. It's important we build some momentum here for this cause (now that we're out of the EU!).
As do i
Same here
same
Right on
I’m extremely happy Linus decided to make a good comprehensive video about this topic that I can show people
My washing machine is a Gorenje Noblesse 1112. It still works perfectly well. All i do is replace bearings and the motor brushes after i took it upon myself to repair it after the last time i had it serviced, and found out they intentionally put an inferior product so it would get broken and offered me a "deal" to take my "junk" machine and cut me a cost on a new "better" one.
Figure that you're paying the same price for all plastic machines, where as old ones are still cast iron, stainless steel, and heavy duty motor. I'll never get rid of it, nor let stealerships touch it anymore, i bought parts for it 10 years ago, and i'm still running.
The moment I saw a broken iPhone 6s on the thumbnail I knew we are gonna talk about Louis Rossmann's gofund me initiative. Honestly glad this is getting mainstream recognition.
Rossman had a community post mentioning a big tech channel is doing a video on RTR GoFundMe. I think this video released in floatplane some time ago
"If my business has an opportunity to make money, long time viewers are going to know, I'm into it."
--Linus Sebastian, top 1% OnlyFans model.
So hilariously true and misleading at the same time!
@@h.b.5577 ? He is an onlyfans model? I didn't know that lol
@@adelaide7822 r/whoooosh
@@3dguy299 no thats not how an r/woosh works, the person above me said that it was partly true, and I don't understand how it is? I get that he isn't actually an onlyfans model but apparently he half is.
@@adelaide7822 You did not understand. I would like you to read what you said again, but slower
This is one of the videos that make me glad I'm a subscriber to this channel. This is not a video that was made for entertainment or to increase viewer count but to make a change in society. Sometimes we need to protect what we have before we lose them and can't get it back again
Excellent comment.
So glad you are taking a stand on this. While this isn't the focus of your channel, I hope you will keep coming back to these issues every chance you have since it is so important.
When I watched Verisatium's vid a few days back, I was wondering why no one is talking about this. Thanks Linus for bringing this to a larger audience.
Aah, please look up Louis Rossman - you will not be disappointed.
There have been ongoing court cases for a while now in various states for right to repair.
I'm not from the US, but this is really important to me because anything that happens in the US tech governance scene will invariably trickle down to the rest of the world.
you say trickle down as if they're at the top
the US hasn't been the top of anything for decades
@@ThEuNbEaTeN1994 very naive of you to say that, many countries economies depend on the us
You just need to get the EU to do it, then it's everywhere
@@ThEuNbEaTeN1994 Wow, how dare you. Spoken like a true commie. I'll have you know the US is top in student debt and unaffordable Healthcare, and for money spent on a military!!!1!
As someone not from US as well, what is crazy about this is that in poorer part of the world repairing things like this is already absolutely perfect norm, so it is crazy how anti-consumer is most wealthiest country on the planet in comparison.
Every Tech UA-camr needs to get on board and support The Right to Repair!
iJustine probably won’t.
Their probably too afraid of losing sponsors and/or access to certain products.
That should be the bare minimum.
@@theshadowman1398 iJustine doesn’t know how any of it works 🤷♀️
What a great summary of nearly all important info on the ways the electronic industry is producing waste. VERY good job.
Its always about reducing the lifecycle-time of devices.
Whenever a company says something will "hurt innovation", they mean "It will hurt my profits" (usually it's those that are really into monopoly-like practices, like Apple).
Just like when politicians say "it will hurt our democracy", they mean "it will hurt me or my party".
The fact that companies misuse and abuse the word "innovation" is inherently criminal at worst.
They're innovating new ways to extricate money from you without giving you a better product!
(Seriously that is what a lot of "innovation" ends up being. Not all by any stretch, but it's a big part of it.)
Imagine spending 20 million to create a device and having to share the full project with everyone.
Imagine the amount of fake iPhones there would be in a week for a fraction of the price
Doesn't sound fair to me.
@@Junebug89 I've known this to be true for a long time now, but the sad part is that most people don't or they just don't accept it as being true. Until it's too late to fix it, maybe.
You're doing God's work. As Rossmann pointed out, you've risked a lot by talking about this and it shows a degree of integrity and principles that are honestly non-existent in any media entity. You have earned my unequivocal respect, Linus.
@Baba Gandu noted and corrected.
Veritasium also recently made a very good video on planned obsolescence and its history. I recommend it.
Gods work? What exactly did he risk? Neither of these statements are even remotely true, dont get me wrong, this is one of the rare times I think Linus is doing something selfless and great, but dont make him out to be some self serving hero either. He is still profiting off this video, and my guess he will earn more than the 20k he has invested. Again, dont get me wrong, I have no problem with him making a profit from his videos. He is a business, just dont go worshiping a man and making him out to be some sort of idol.
@@jon9947 the 20k he had sitting in the OF account was only there because of people subscribing and tipping even though it was an april fools joke. It was never going to go in his pocket and he said that early on. So, now its as if all those people donated to Louis instead.
@@jon9947 you would be surprised how many brands, VC firms, and angel investors have a credible stake in ensuring there is no opposition to planned obsolescence and are invested in killing the right-to-repair moment. We are talking billions at stake each year.
These entities will pull funding, advertising money, brand support/cooperation, and otherwise make your life hell as a business for supporting that which is directly harmful to their bottomlines. Linus could have taken the easy choice of remaining silent like pretty much everyone else, but he chose to speak out instead. It's not like he has a dearth of video ideas.
Making a video like this is a lose-lose proposition. Public memory is short, they will forget about this in two days, but Apple and associated brands and investors that are affected by right-to-repair will hold that grudge for the foreseable future. Linus will actually lose money over this.
Been waiting for this one since WAN. 100% supporting Louis.
fighttorepair is his twitter @
This is one more reason why I as a guitar player still like my physical amps and effects over amp sims. I never need to be worried Marshall is gonna show up at my front door and try to install some piece of software into my DSL that prevents me from taking it to a shop if I need to get the tubes rebiased or something.
So, are we have to PAY $6M for laws to be even seen by lawmakers? Things are going crazy by the day man
'Merica
No, that's not it. The $6 million is to try and put it to a vote directly to voters in the next election cycle, bypassing the corrupt politicians that take donations from lobbyists. Law makes have no part in it. You just need enough signatures to get it on the ballot. The money is for putting out advertisements and collecting data about what is working to convince people and what isn't. A lot of big companies are against right to repair and have many millions to spend on slanderous advertisements against it. If the $6 million isn't reached, the funds will go to lobbying in the traditional fashion, trying to get lawmakers to care.
I believe it's $6m to get the people to be able to vote on it. Not just the politicians. That's why Louis is going for a direct ballot initiative.
Quite the opposite. $6M is to keep the bill away from lawmakers.
@@InsaneFirebat I think this is sums it up pretty well haha.
Lets get this video to 10M views before the end of the week! This isn't just for people from the US. The sooner this becomes a law somewhere, the sooner it can more easily be implemented in other places!!!
Isn't this already law in the EU?
@@DemonofChaos264 We're starting doing something about it: France introduced a "Repairability Index" and other countries are probably going to follow with similar initiatives in order to push manifacturers to make repairs a more viable option.
It's still a very long way but yes, EU is way ahead of US, but most importantly going the right direction.
@@KaiserSoze87 Unfortunately the index has quite some flaws. It shows several apple product with a high index according to Louis. Now in reality, yes you could repair but nobody gives the shops the replacement parts and then we hae the software lock where a battery exchange even with an orgiinal part locks you out. Forcing you to only go through the apple story repair and not any other one. Not to speak of even trying to do it yourself.
@@DemonofChaos264 In EU the repair laws are getting passed faster, but still way too slow. I think that people in europe have a slightly different mentality and we like owning our stuff
@@sabinelettmas1045 Yes, heard of it years ago. €500 for 5 year old phone was their business if I remember correctly. Making a R2R law and having companies pay for their polution seems more effective in keeping innovation going.
What nevers fail to surprise me is that sometimes the most anti-consumers are the consumers themselves. Some act like if being critical of a company is like a betrayal. But you pay them of a service or a product. You owe nothing to them.
the replies i got from some ppl show exactly that
@@bladerj what are you smoking, of course you own your car, unless you paid it with a leasing.
@@Thesavagesouls he's on that good good frfr
@@bladerj So bro are you Russian or Chinese? Because in America we have this weird thing called property rights, and it means you do own that Ford. You can modify it, repaint it, resell it, rebadge it blah blah blah it belongs to you if you have bought it and paid taxes on it: then it's yours. No one else can tell you what to do with it as long as you're not endangering someone else's life or breaking a law, and of course this is within reasonable bounds of discretion regarding unforeseen circumstances, but by and large, you can use your stuff too do what you like with it. It's a small facet of American Freedom that we won't be giving up anytime soon.
So just exactly what are you talking about? Are you a robot just making s*** up as you go along the way these weird newfangled Ai do? Just to see what kind of response you get? Are you a legit corporate-communist, already sold on the concept of State or corporate ownership of all material and persons within its jurisdictions? Or are you, as the previous commenter suggested, just having the piss on that good good? Because something about your comment is 📴.♂️
And if you think you're going to pull some weird revisionist history stuff then just like, what¿
But actually I'm thinking now that you just have no idea what you're talking about and have read a bunch of that stuff on the internet, which I can't blame you for. Hope you have a nice life.
@@captainTubes
He is not a Russian!
He's not from Europe either!
If I buy something, it's mine!
As long as I don't enrich myself, it is none of the manufacturer's business what I do with "MY" product!
It always hurts me so much when I find out what is going on behind the scenes.
Louis is a legend and thank you guys for helping him
This needs to go viral guys, spread it to fb groups, Instagram or whatever, get as many people to see it as possible.
Shoutout the LMG team for supporting this even if it may hurt sponsorships
I have a 30-year-old refrigerator, in perfect working condition (and I kept it clean). After 10 years, it finally stopped working properly, and ice was accumulating inside since a while: ready for the trash bin and to be replaced. But at a substantial cost for the same features and size... Hence, I took my luck in hands, thinking that I would win over programmed obsolescence : changed the small internal fan+motor controlling the dispersion of the cold air, for one of a better quality and better life span; then added a galvanized iron coat rack unfolded like a rod, inside the condensation/water drain channel and attached to the resistance heating the inlet. It still works perfectly today, not a gram of ice has formed since, the temperature control works well, and since the fan is of a better cfm+quality, it takes less time than it took to balance the temperature which is more energy-efficient. Now I'll have to think about changing the sealing strips on the doors, since it's 30 years old and the material is losing its elasticity (still works, but sometimes I need to make sure that the doors are well closed else It ends up cooling the kitchen).
The UK has just passed initial laws about the Right to Repair. Positive news, lets hope it works as intended
I hope so and make devices without glue...
Imagine seeing phones with rmeovable batteries again... S6 Active, managed to do it with waterproofing.
@@reviewassistant6891 even the normal S5 did it
Unfortunately, I don't think it includes smartphones 😬
www.bbc.com/news/business-56340077
@@narutouzumaki4710 Yeah, I wish there was more momentum here in the UK about right to repair. Might send an email to my MP about it..
Now this is some important shit. I'm really glad that Linus has made a full, comprehensive video about it.
Now please re-post this every 4-6 months until it gets universally passed.
imagine if everything was "use and throw away"
even houses...
"oh, my roof is leaking. Better tear it down and take a new mortgage on a new one."
The EU is also doing right to repair-like stuff. most recently for home appliances such as washing machines. They had to last longer iirc. That's certainly a step in the right direction..
*Oh No My Kid Got Scratch On His Foot, Look Like Time To Get A New One*
@@TheRealEncy something something US healthcare
Oh noes my car's wheel is punctured! Time to buy a new one.
Nobody tell him about houses in Japan...
Just an FYI, thats exactly how houses are built in japan. No, not the apartment complexes inside the city, but family homes, they are made for as long as a family lives in them, then they are torn down and the plot is sold.
Here in the UK, Right to repair has come into effect this summer for fridges, washing machines and TV's. Manufactures now have to keep producing parts for their older products and ensure that they last up to 10 years. It's a step in the right direction but does not apply to Smart Phones or computers. Yet.
This is just the beginning, as a college student, I sympathize with anyone who is only able to donate a couple of bucks or isn't able to donate at all, but almost everyone has access to Twitter and their favorite tech influencers. Tweet at them every week to let them know that Louis wants to talk to them or encourage them to reach out to Louis. I honestly wish Louis had established a unified hashtag for this purpose.
#right2repair good enough?
YES THIS!!!!
thanks jamie stewart lmao
I almost never comment on videos, but gotta do it on this one to help the algorithm suggest it to more people. I was very happy to see Louis choosing to dedicate the next two years of his life working hard on getting right to repair passed, and I'm happy that he managed to get other youtubers involved with it too. I sincerely hope that he reaches his funding goals, and that they manage to get right to repair passed! It's long overdue, and while I'm in Europe myself, this is a piece of legislation that can, and will, change how the whole world has to deal with it if it's passed.
I've been a fan of LTT for I'm not sure how many years at this point, but I'm glad you guys were willing to publicly make a stand on the right side of this (though I know you've show support of it several times before on the WAN show and other times).
helping u help the algorithm lol. a lot of infrequent commenters here
@@claxvii177th6 helping you helping him to help the algorithm so more people can see it
It's been a slow and steady march towards a future where we rent everything that we "own" - that's a very costly future, indeed. Lines must be drawn. If businesses won't accept reasonable terms like providing replacement parts and limiting eWaste, and not sabotaging purchased devices, then they need to be reminded that they exist and enjoy profits due to consumers being willing to purchase what they make. We can vote with our wallets. That can be (and has been) gameover for many companies in the past.
Whats most crazy about this stuff is how the hardcore fans (lets just use apple as example) will defend apple here instead of their own self.
What I don't understand is why there is a focus on apple laptops and phones. This has been going on forever in almost every electronics industry. Try and get for example a spare chip or schematics for a motherboard.
I saw Louis Rossman's post on UA-cam a couple days ago talking about a "large" UA-cam creator doing a video on "Right to Repair". I was hoping it was LTT. Thank you for making this video. Donating for sure.
This shouldn't be a problem in 2021.
He actually made video an hour ago about this video thanking Linus
Louis actually brought me to your channel! Through watching you I've gotten very interested in upgrading my laptop, and even the idea that I can buy parts and do it myself make me so happy, this bill needs to be passed absolutely ASAP.
two years ago I was being charged $600 for a new keyboard because the space bar broke on my macbook pro... Im glad i made the switch to PC since then... However not everybody can afford to change their hardware. The right to repair is a necessity not only for the people but its a step in the right direction towards diminishing e-waste.
My gf damaged her screen on iphone11. Apple said they can only replace the whole display, which costs 3x more than unofficial repair shop, who actually repair what’s broken. This is just retarded.
Wait what? When my keyboards space bar broke, I slapped it off, and slapped a new one on. Is that not how you do it on Mac's too?
@@shahnazfiaz2015 no, you pay $600 for the premium space bar.
They offered me a battery replacement on an 4 year old iphone 5S for the cost of $100+. The newer Iphone SE had a price of $200 at the same time.
This is dedication to the cause. Thank you LTT.
Yeah!
Louis Rossmann is the true dedicated man (and he is top apple repair man in NYC).
He does not use apple for a reason heh
Here before 100 likes (i know nobody cares don't disturb me)
fighttorepair is his twitter @
"the thing that we used should fail after couple years..."
Nokia: _I don't have such a weakness_
Right! imho that partly contributed to Nokia's market share going down
Except for their stock price...
Yup loving my old Nokia 7 plus
Which is why they ran out of money. Phones lasted for years and people wouldn’t buy new ones, no sales, gg.
plus their new phones suck compared to other brands in the same price range. I'm still using my Nokia 6.1
I think i heard this marketing strategy before
"Why be you when you can be NEW!" ~Ratchet
It baffles me that people are against this. Thank you for spreading the word, the more people they understand it, the more will support it.
it baffles you that people are stupid?
I guess if enough people are onboard with something it immediately becomes cool to be against it in some folks minds.
Also, there's a guy further down who is replying to a comment and saying he doesn't believe companies like John Deere really do this with the intention people say, and that he thinks this thing is making way to big a fuzz and he thinks it all seems a bit too dramatic and noisy, so it's just not for him.
He is gonna keep repairing regardless if he has a right to it or whatever.
wut?
many defend for profit companies, Tech CEO's, and consoles having exclusives..... i shit you not.
but man, can hope all efforts for right to repair set in stone a better future for future owners of tech!
Same thing with net neutrality.. same thing with pretty much every single possible thing in life that isn't understood.
The problem is education, and false education ("fake news" without the irony). The people reaping profits don't want the population educated, so they mislead them instead, and because of how gigantic these corporations are (even governments), they have an extreme amount of sway into getting people to believe their 'facts' vs what the actual reality is. This has ended up with the people who know the true facts as the minority instead of the majority, and they are attacked for being "wrong" and "misleading", and nobody bats an eye because of the herd mentality.
Every single industry is affected by this; technology, medical, food, etc.. If it makes a profit, there's people who want that profit secured forever, by any means necessary; including the cost of the planet and every living species on it (yes, human life too if it wasn't already obvious).
Nothing will change unless the majority of normal people become educated and the role reversal swaps, which leads to us finally using our power to better ourselves.. until the whole thing inevitably swaps again because corruption, as troped in fiction, is a very very strong driving force most people succumb to.
Anyway, if there's one thing we can point to that really needs changing ASAP, it's the patent system. It's obsolete and does practically nothing but damage to progress/innovation at this point in time and is mainly used as, you guessed it, a profit vector.
Man, the more I think about things, the more I give up at humanity ever being fixable. I'm sure my family and I will be long dead by that point anyway..
They're called shareholders.
Have a like, have a comment; this is important in my opinion. Also a quick shoutout to Louis! That man has been in the trenches of the right to repair fight for years now.
Pog first comment
"Apple deciding to grant it's customers a little bit more ownership of their own devices that they paid for is not consumer choice and its not freedom. That should be a right, not something apple grants at it's discretion. "
Holy shit. True.
@@kgeo753 Yeah, up until the last generation of apple products least they could be repaired somewhere else. But now..well..things went too far.
@@Anti_Hero I know Apple is worse but even on Android you're best off Rooting it.
@@lukeshanley8465 Slightly agreed. What we're talking about here is ... Fixing and repairing like..broken screens, camera and stuff. When it comes to android we have the freedom to go get it fixed anywhere, as long as the parts are genuine. Not the same with apple. The device wont work normally if we try to get it fixed from somewhere else. Even if the parts are swapped from the same new model of another unit... Pretty sad.
@Kevin George Apple directly blocks people from repairing its products outside its own grotesquely overpriced repair framework. No-one's asking them to 'help', they're asking them to stop deliberately making it hard to repair products. It's unethical and environmentally destructive.
Look up George Carlin talking about "rights." It's not a right if it can just be taken away.
About to open a repair shop, right to repair is good for everyone, small repair shops will not lose a single customer over right to repair passing. Even if you gave a customer a step by step lesson on how to repair a broken laptop keyboard or something: that customer will likely not want to do it themselves anyways.... most people prefer the convenience and "peace of mind" that says to them that the job was done right (the people I'm referring to prefer technicians no matter how easy the job) when they go to a mechanic or technician.
A massive wave of people fixing their own devices will not hurt repair shops.... there's so many other related ways for us to make money.
Yes I agree, repairing phones was putting food on my table at one point but now it's gone to shıt
@@yaboiavery5986 Part of that is covid..... at the shop I currently work at: we got less repairs as soon as people started getting their stimmy checks and we got more sales of new devices and more trade-ins (we give discounts on old devices traded in as long as the person is able to remove the google account/icloud to avoid accidentally accepting a stolen phone or being stuck with a just a harvest phone.... repair/refurbish the device and sell it again)... I predict repairs will jump right back to where it was in terms of actually making money as soon as the world gets back into the swing of things after covid....
(tangentially related but: the vaccine hurts worse than a tetanus shot.... better be worth it.)
The $400 Touch ID replacement fiasco should have not been forgotten so easily.
Totally agree with you.
that was crazy!!
Suddenly from the back of your desk...
HP Printer: Hey, I think my sponge might be wet. I'm out, replace me.
Spunch bop
I'm your printer and I check the cartridge to make sure you pay the best price and quality! Or else!
Ooh PLEASE lets not start the printer cartridge conversation again....... We ALL know THAT is a complete SCAM...!!
Thats why the printer is sold so cheaply, because those companies make their money on the cartridges that are suppose to be full when sold, but are only half full to scam people.
Damn, the Printer industry is perhaps the most outrageous example out there. Just recently, the HP LaserJet my sister bought to print my niece's homework essentially became a brick because HP discontinued the cartridge for it. That LaserJet cost $300 and she hasn't even had it for a year.
Nope. The toner cartridges for that model (107f) are chipped, so the printer detects "genuine" HP toner cartridges and will only work with them. Heck, the toner even gets linked to the first printer you install it on, so if you swap it to another printer of the same model, it will refuse to print.
Thank you LTT for talking about this important subject, I think it could be cool if it’s possible to make a caloberation with Rossmann on this subject.
I think one of the best ways to keep repairability is to ask all famous reviewers to actually discuss it in their review. Buyers depend on these reviewers on their decision-making and most of these reviewers focus too much on thinness and weight (the two things that actually make repairability almost invalid). I personally don't care if my laptop is 1 cm thicker if that means that I can repair it with third-party service center.