@@freddyt55555 I doubt it. Right now it's in apple's best interest to serialize. Once they make it illegal to serialize apple will just have to tweak their formula to incorporate higher repairability in order to keep themselves competitive...no big deal when everyone has to do it.
WEll your right I think he is going on the hit list. But they already did a number on him many many years ago. Pushed him out quietly. about the time I stopped supporting APPLE.....Love the Waz
He didn't technically leave Apple, but he did go his own way. Steve Jobs always gave him a pass, and probably agreed with Woz on a lot of his principles. But he also knew what it took to get his products to the public. Woz was never for Apple's closed system, but if he had his say we wouldn't have ANY Apple computers. But I am glad he stayed true to himself. He remained a pirate.
Since everyone pretends to care about the environment this should be the first argument people trying to get right to repair pass should make. I mean you can't oppose something that would benefit the environment without Twitter trying to cancel you.
Exactly and absolutely right! Apple claims to care about environment by taking out the charger and headset from the package but at the same time they fighting against things that would trully help environmet.
Imagine they could earn money with selling genuine parts while still being considered eco friendly... I never get why they refuse to make more money by selling replacement parts and marketing that. (Car manufacturers for ages make more money in the parts and repairs afterwards than by selling only the cars.)
@@niklasholgerson3779 Since everyone "pretends" to care about environment? Many people genuinely care about the environment, and it's actually quite short-sighted and egocentric not to care about it
I don't think he endorsed it. Closest thing he said is it time to do the right thing. Typically that would suggest it but I don't think he will stand behind it. There's some caveat
@@anev7163 you didn't listen carefully? He talked for the whole video that products should be open and that companies should look for other ways to innovate instead of totally controlling their products
@@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065 i did listen carefully. I could be very wrong but he skated the endorsement. Very politician sounding response. Story to relate, statement of whats moral, but in the end never endorsed it. Such a long drawn out response and from what i heard not a single commitment to help the cause. He skated it
@@anev7163 He literally starts off by saying to Louis that he hasn't been involved with right to repair due to other commitments in life, but that he is "totally supportive and that the people behind it are totally doing the right thing" and then continues on that he now has subbed to Louis channel due to right to repair. At about 0:20
His values are completely different from the current state of the company he cofounded. And I admire him for staying true to his conviction instead of profiting from riding in Apple.
If Apple had remained a company with The Woz's values it would today be the coolest patchouli-scented boutique computer store with four months unpaid rent on their behind-the-strip-mall 200 square foot space. Grow up, folks.
@Piotr Konieczynski No, I'm pretty bright (Google me), but your punctuation-deficient string of words: "Yes better have billion sheep/owners with unpaid rent" was not clear regarding your intended meaning, which is understandable if English is not your first language. This is why I responded to you in Russian, Polish, and English so that I could be as clear as possible regarding my problem understanding you. So if you would show me a little common respect and explain, perhaps with more words, what you meant. Just imagine the picture your words paint in the mind of those with whom you communicate; when the picture is clear, say THOSE words. Thanks.
"You could go to a grocery store to test your vacuum tube." BOOM, Mind blown. Today electronics shops are so rare you'd think it was illegal to sell the parts.
Yeah the nearest fucking electronic/computer store from me (that is semi-large) is well over 300mi away... And the nearest town to me has 30k people living in it. So... yeah... That tells ya something doesn't it.
I REMEMBER going with my dad to the A&P to test tubes. Funny as hell for me cause like waz said not all tubes had numbers on them so you try to line up the prongs on the tube with the machine and some times they would be close but not match and my dad would curse the machine. 😂😁🤣😆🇺🇸
I’ve always loved woz’s enthusiasm for tech and the specifics about them. I’ll never forget the joy of opening up something and learning about it. You’ll always be a legend Woz! The right to repair must always exist
He really does have a story for _everything._ Any computing or tech subject you could think of. He had a story involving Captain Crunch, if you know who that is, hah. I saw him speak in person at an event held by the MD Apple Corps user group, in the early 2000s, when I was in my teens.
This video is yet another example of why UA-cam needs a love button... liking this is just not enough. God bless Woz... the world would be a much better place if we would just listen to guys like him and follow their advice.
Not sure what you mean, the favourite list has been a part of UA-cam ever since I can remember. Use the feature, stop pretending like you don't know about it.
I built a fully working Nintendo DS from broken DS parts at age 11. It was like building legos. The feeling when that screen turned on and that sound played after hours of trial and error was priceless. With modern technology, It’s not that easy anymore. I want technology to be open again. I want my tools to last and I want to enjoy the process of making them work again when they go bad.
Yeah, I like being able to take apart my joy-cons and fix them, (not with drift because everyone is affected by it and it sucks) but enjoy repairing the plastic buckles and replacing worn out parts.
This actually made the news on BBC radio in the UK, never thought Right to Repair would get a fraction of the traction that this statement could provide.
Thanks Woz. I grew up in electronics in the same area the time that you did. The creativeness of openness sure aided me. I'm so glad you are now in a position where you can express these views.
is it your money in your wallet and bank account, or a certain private organization money? if it is yours, then you can destroy it while live stream it to the entire of your country without any problem, just like what you can do to your phone
Apple II shipped with full schematics, parts list, and sourcecode. Everything you needed to repair or modify your machine. Everything Taiwan needed to clone (and gradually improve) the machine. Apple clones were cheaper (and better) than genuine Apples. That's why Apple will never opensource schema and source for their disposable iToys. They keep everything as proprietary, vendor-locked, and patented as possible. Apple doesn't sell tech anymore, they sell fashion.
This man's still got the passion for engineering and electronics, you can hear it in his voice. I think he's an absolute gem of an intelligent human being with common sense. He's asking the right questions, and saying the right things, with an open mindset. Who could ask for anything more?
7:46 - listen to how his tone changes. There is so much history behind that. The Apple II kept the company afloat while the Apple III, the Lisa, and then the Mac sputtered and burned money (yes, the Mac was an abject failure in its initial years), and in spite of that, the Apple II and Woz himself were disrespected. He'll never forget that and he'll never stop setting the record straight. Watching this video actually made me tear up a bit. We always knew which side of right-to-repair Woz was on, it was just a matter of time before he came out with it. For decades, this man has personified technical curiosity and the ability to tinker with what you own, and his support is the voice of a giant.
Is crazy to think that from the Apple II there wasn't any mayor profit maker product until the iPod came along. The the iPhone 5 years after that. And now what?
Wozniak and Steve Jobs ended up both being right in their own way. They’re actually really similar but disagreed on how to make the magic happen. Apple is still very much Steve ethically.
@@kartikeypandey8957 Jobs pushed Woz out of Apple. Maybe Job's sabotage of the Apple III (no fans) was subconscious, but he definitely could have supported his friend more. The Apple IIGS was demonstrably superior to the first Macs. Jobs created such a hostile work environment, Apple decided to replace him with the guy from Pepsi. In the long term it was a mistake, but it wasn't by chance they decided to take the risk of getting rid of him. Woz is also a good and decent person, as well as an engineering genius. Jobs knew how to exploit people around him, and make a lot of money doing it. Jobs was a boyhood hero of mine, but the more I found out about him, the less I like him.
@@kartikeypandey8957 they're both geniuses. jobs got you to think he's a genius was his genius. does that make sense? that was the allure, he could sell you anything you didn't know you needed. that i think is worthy of genius status. woz was a genius in other ways, more technical development, engineering and skill. it took both parts working in tandem to start apple.
Yes absolutely, let's make that happen. I don't want to witness Tesla loosing to Edison in our time. We have the chance to right those wrongs while Woz is still with us.
I bought one of the very first Apples from the 2 Steves at the Hayward Computer Users Club. I too was one of those kids in my neighborhood who everyone would leave their broken electronics on my porch to fix. I remember "pre-ordering" my "Apple" because they needed the funds to buy the first 300 boards. My Apple schematic was the "Red Book", parts of which were hand written 6502 machine code by WOZ. In those days we all contributed for free. WOZ has always been a prodigy. He was the real brains behind the design of the first Apples. Of course you can read the history, so I'll leave the rest to Google. But to my point; WOZ was, and apparently still is, a believer in "open source". The first Apple computers had slots, much the same as modern PCs. There was much controversy when they decided to go to a closed non-user hardware friendly system. Now days, you can't even replace a battery in most all of Apple products without specialized tools and skill. Glad to hear he is still the same. Thanks for posting this!
@@keanoevans5024 He was humble before that. Woz has always been a happy teddy bear of a dude. And I love hte fact that he was so trusting, and got screwed over by Jobs, but it really didn't change his outlook. Still does right by his fellow man.
He's totally correct. There were places all over to get single components to repair radios and televisions. The same guy in my old local hardware store that cut keys, also did the tube testing. Oh and Radio Shack/Tandy stores sold radios, parts, resistors, etc. Those were all over as well. One Christmas (1972 I think) I received a radio kit from Radio Shack. It had a simple open board and everything you needed to build the thing. I was SO hurt when they stopped selling parts. And Ma Bell had their own stores too. You couldn't get a telephone unless it was bought there. The phones were on display kinda like cell phones are now - different styles and colors. Nope, you better NOT try to fix it, just bring it in and get another one. Hahaha....I had almost forgotten this aspect of society before digital life and computers. Thanks Woz for the memories!!
It is exactly like that when you create thing... even better when you create a thing that millions of people love. There really is nothing better than that in the world of tech. Your thing may fade away, but what you gave to those people, how you influenced theirs lives, that's for keeps.
@@DaveHaynie Agreed! However, if i may slight nuance. I don’t think that tech fades. I think new stuff gets built on backs of older stuff and on and on it goes. People often forget, but things aren’t made in a vacuum.
Steve you are 100% correct. Remember the only thing that can't be fixed is a stubborn person. If these people were measured ohmically, the measured resistance would be infinite. You and Steve will forever be legendary Greetings from the repairer
@@kopuz.co.uk. Wozniak had it all open. He made his computer for the people. You’re talking about Steve Jobs. Apple is a Steve Jobs company. Wozniak is in the engineer field including Hardware/Software design that includes all the paper work. Wozniak was in an airplane accident. It took years for Wozniak to get his sense back. When Wozniak returned to Apple, Steve Jobs had made most of the decisions that Wozniak had always refused like using a special bit to be able to open a Mac PC and more.
The right to repair also enables those young inquisitive minds to grow into fantastic engineers. As a repair tech, I constantly complain that the trade is turning into board replacement and turning rapidly away from component level repair. I have colleagues who can barely solder, read schematics or even mildly think out of the box. I love this trade - from a very young age, I have always done what I do. No fookin company has the right to take that away and by doing so, creating mountains of e-waste and hindering a whole generation from becoming what they were destined to become. Woz is an absolute legend, as is Bill Herd, the old crews at IBM, Tektronix and HP and so on.... The right to repair is long overdue...it's not a trend or a movement - it's a fookin lifestyle. \m/
as a kid i would mess with electronics like crazy, now im 20 have my PC Pro and Network Pro certifications. I was top of my class knowledge wise because when i joined the class in HS i already knew how to take apart computers because as a kid i wanted to know why electronics worked.
I remember seeing an ad, probably getting on for 25 years ago here in the UK, from a company for a technician stating that they wanted somebody that could detect and replace at component level. However I knew somebody at the company and all they wanted was somebody that knew about electronics and was able to replace complete boards. Somebody did not know what they were saying when they composed that advertisement. However it is often less expensive for a company to replace a complete board than the time and involvement in just finding and replacing the component and they do not need so highly qualified people. However they do tend to still charge an arm and a leg for it.
Just to let you know, apple repurposes electronics. All you bozos out here claiming companies creating e waste. You have not a single clue what happens to phones when they get traded in. Talk to anyone who has family is other countries. A lot of those countries use older gen devices. As for apple or any cell company that takes trade ins, do you think they’d let money slip by? They recycle and reuse for their new phones.
@@RolandKoller90 I work in the industry mate....as do a lot of us here. I'm well aware what apple and co. do when it comes to their 'older' devices. But this is about the right to repair. That we collective 'bozos' have the right to repair the defective devices that 'bozos' like you have paid good money for :)
As a young guy, hearing about the availability of test kits and the culture around repairing your technology is very foreign. In my generation, much of the technological world is a "black box", in the sense that "we don't know why it works, it just does, and I know what store to call if it stops working". Very cool anecdote from Steve.
Young guy? I am 32 years old and we used to repair our technology when I was a kid, I am Young!!! 32 is young. Not being able to repair technology is very recent.
@@drrd4127 32 is not young to someone 20 and under, I'm 21 and grew up in the same fashion, didn't stop me from opening up every laptop I've owned, ignoring the massive warranty voided label is common nowadays if you want to repair your own.
"You can repair a lot of things at low cost, but it's even more precious to know you did it yourself." I repaired the cable on my Sony MDR-V6s. Even though it was a super easy repair, and getting parts was super cheap, I found repairing it fun, and the happiness I felt when I plugged in my headphones and they worked beautifully was so awesome to me. What he's saying is spot on.
to think that louis has at some point seen this video, and is fangirling over it is amazing, my hats off to you man! you've done more than anyone else could!
@@AB-yw2xc Louis Rossman is an owner of an independent repair shop for Apple products. He runs a UA-cam channel in which he shows people how to repair their Apple laptops. He started from nothing and built his company up over the years to something that kind of "runs itself" with employees (technicians) and everything, so he has turned to full-time activism for right to repair, going from state to state to speak to courts and law makers and generally making videos on this subject. Right to repair is the guy's life right now, so imagine the technician founder of Apple coming out and saying he's a fan and putting his voice on Louis Rossman's side.
A man of principle not profit. Like a breath of fresh air. I always thought with Jobs it was smoke and mirrors. This man is just open and honest. A gem.
It's funny how in a world where only closed, black box devices like iThings exist, Steve Wozniak would not have had the opportunity to learn the skills he needed to make Apple's first successful products in the first place. Suits are so quick to forget how and why their companies came to be. How do they even expect the next generation of Engineers to get started? In College? That's WAY too late. Apple is really lucky that regular PCs still exist - if their products had a monopoly and they locked the Macs down like the iPhone as they, as stated in the Apple vs. Epic hearing, would like to (for "security"), they wouldn't find any developers and engineers.
More than likely they are going to start on relying on engineers from third world countries or countries where fixing things is a necessity because of lack income opportunities. The thing is, to the suits it doesn't matter WHERE the engineers come from, only that they arrive in droves so they can pick and choose the best and then pay them as little as possible so they can continue to increase executive salaries and benefits. I firmly believe this is all a result of the current business model that companies operate on, unrestricted, unlimited growth for infinity. When you're whole business is built on the idea there's always a few more customers down the street than you have to start using these bad practices in order to continue to grow your income because the customer base is always finite.
> Suits are so quick to forget how and why their companies came to be Um no, they didn't forget anything. They DON'T WANT a wiz kid to come around and start the next Apple to compete with them.
College is not way too late lol. Most design comes from semiconductor chip design rather than systems level now. Nobody is going to learn how to tape out a custom asic without going to school and getting the proper guidance. We already have arduino and raspberry pis. If you want to learn go have fun with those.
@@DeTrOiTXX12 please tell me. If apple released their schematic today how many kids are going to go around fixing and building iPhones. If the goal is to teach arduino or raspberry pi works much better. I am a professional hardware engineer btw. I do this for a living. No kid is going to figure out the complexity of an integrated circuit component by themselves. It's easier to learn through open source kits already available.
In the last couple of years, I have repaired several of our home appliances. A clothes washer, dryer & a microwave. To my surprise, when I opened these appliances, the schematics were safely stored inside on paper for the repair man! It made me think of my day job where I have to obtain schematics from sketchy sources and reverse engineer things to figure out what could just be available. I highly doubt repair information is made secret & components being hard or impossible to obtain is all for the security of the end user. It boggles my mind that people would even buy that story, but many do.
Haha similar thing here...I was amazed when i pulled the cover off my Bosch gas hot water system to find a schematic.. also was easy to diagnose a blown ELCB.. then not so amazed when i called the authorised Bosch repairer who told me my system was obsolete, it cant be repaired and I needed to spend $1000 on a new one. Even after I told them the part i needed. Bought a replacement for $20 from an electronics store and all good (also confirmed the heater wasnt even obsolete, its still selling online).
Repair information is not secret stuff, see SAMS Photofact/Technical Publising. There is nothing to be stolen by giving people access to service manuals and schematics, and people need to understand this.
It depends. I am an industrial automation engineer. There are many proprietary technologies now. I came across lot of Chinese and US products, even whole plants (especially Buhler, they won’t give out any PLC program or backup even if you pay the full price and additional warranty). Some companies like GSI would send the whole PLC program if we showed we can do it. But a lot of them won’t give out anything. New Chinese companies, after all the technology theft, are now into hiding stuff. So do not just compare your home appliances and come to a conclusion.
@@piratenu1 I work in the same field, and I have never delivered a system without the accompanying application. It is common for end users to make their own changes to the application in the field years after the system has been delivered.
I love how he casually boasts about being on the ARPANET back when there were six computers on it. 😂 People pay millions of dollars in the UAE for low-numbered license-plates, and for al little while, people were trying to cash in on low-numbered ICQ accounts. Imagine what this would have been like. 🤯
@@SpaceClick "employed" is only in name only as he does no work or any actual function for Apple these days....he's still on the payroll of Apple and he will be for the rest of his life. I think Steve Jobs insisted on that (lifetime payroll) for Woz when Wozniak left the company as a thank you to his co-founder. Woz has always spoken his mind on the industry and he wasnt' / isn't afraid of being on the opposite side of the company that he co-founded all those years ago. I don't know what Woz is using now for a smartphone, but a few years back...he was rocking an Android, not an iphone and made that public knowledge. If that doesn't tell you the amount of integrity that Woz has, nothing will
Remember: There's probably a timeline out there where Jobs quit Apple and Wozniak stayed in the business. Instead of this unrepairable crap, Apple would be working on modular laptops now that ran WozOS 12.
@@gur1363 I'm on your side. Woz is genius and a saint, but a savvy business man he is not. If he was the CEO, "Apple computer" would probably be a single store in a strip mall somewhere selling DIY educational Apple 2 computer kits on Etsy. It would be super cool, but... well, you know. Not quite the same level, I don't think.
@@gur1363 yet, his products were the ones that worked and sold well. The Apple 2 did well, but the Apple 3 which steve jobs was in charge of did not, and suffered numerous failures.
I learned to like the Apple II (that Wozniak designed) as I had to write programs for it. It was common in labs everywhere in my country (along with our local ABC 80 line of computers). After the 1970s and 80s, Apple has been pretty irrelevant to me though.
@@herrbonk3635 when I was a kid my parents (not knowing anything about computers) bought me an IBM PCjr. Other families got Apples. The PCjr was a nightmare as a kids first introduction to computers.
@@HFG You actually have no idea how privileged you are :D Speaking of nightmare, my first (own) computer was a Sinclair ZX80/81 with 1K of RAM(!). On the other hand totally open, like the Apple II. So it taugh me a lot about digital electronics making interfaces to it. But it was slow and primitive compared to the "professional" ABC 80 & 800 computers that I knew from school and summer jobs. Apple II was later jobs. The M$ (or Gates, Allen, Davidoff) BASIC it used was also pretty slow though, so we had to resort to assembly for serious programs on this machine. (Wozniak's Integer BASIC was faster, but not that popular as it didn't handle floating point numbers.)
Had a Tube tester at a corner store up the street from me when I was a child. EVERYTHING was fixable by a knowledgeable consumer, or even a consumer with a mechanical aptitude could usually figure it out. If I can legally repair the brakes on a 4500 lb vehicle and blast it down the highway at 70 mph, I should be able fix my phone should I so desire. I bought my last apple product a few years ago over the right to repair argument. Literally have bought 1000's of dollars worth of apple products over the decades. I have also successfully stopped my friends and some of my coworkers from buying their products. Even more egregious than their extreme greed in not allowing unauthorized repairs of their products, at the Apple stores where you are required to bring your products for servicing, instead of spending the damn money hiring professionals that actually know how to repair things, they hire some kid that probably doesn't even know what a soldering iron is, they follow some troubleshooting script on the computer screen and kindly informs you that this gizmo you spent thousands on last year is prohibitively expensive to repair and is now worthless and you are better off buying another.
Heh, you remind me of an anecdote from a contractor we had in to do some work. In this case it wasn't even the companies, it was municipal licensing/permits being a cash grab. He said "You'd be allowed to do your own electrical changes and potentially burn down the house, do gaswork and potentially have it explode, or alter the plumbing and potentially flood it, but no way in heck are you allowed to move the air in the home by touching the HVAC without a license for it! (the former three are permissible if you get a permit and have it inspected accordingly, of course, so the risks are a bit of a hyperbole) I get part of it if there are refrigerant systems involved but I fail to see why I should not be allowed to (say) relocate vents or install a better filter housing in the return air duct.
think we still use this in hifi i use a tube amp for my vinyl hobby just sounds better digital is too clean i change them once every 1-2 years think it went out of style back in the 90's when i was a kid so never really seen it in anything else here
I have only once set foot in an apple store in my entire 27 years of life. That was to buy an ipod touch 5th gen. Never before, *Never* after. At least not untill this ruthless greediness from Apple ceases. Though I'll likely die of old age before then.
@@davecrupel2817 actualy have never been in an apple store never seemed like my thing i like to tinker i like things that are modular apple seems like the opposite product
@@PainX187 its not that we still use it, they stopped using vacuum tubes for about 40 years and then about a decade or so ago they started to be used again in extremely expensive devices because people knew they created a far better sound and now they are starting to become more mainstream and prices are going down a little.
What a wonderfully open-mind this man has. A genuine beautiful person, with a personal history to back up his points of view. Thank you Mr Wozniak for sharing.
This is how it should be. People being capable of repairing and even *owning* their own equipment. Fantastic to see such a hardware legend speak complete sense - a man from a time when techies ruled, not lawyers. Huge thumbs up.
I have to admit I've failed many times at repairing some electronic devices I own. I still resent the e-waste. But half the time it's quite the simple fix once you get past all the hurdles intentionally put up by companies, like uncommon screws, hidden screws, hidden clips, glue and missing part numbers, schematics and instructions. Just a couple of weeks ago I fixed my 4 year old mouse that still works perfectly now and avoided e-waste for a rarely used button that got stuck and just needed to be popped back up from the inside. Same with a kitchen scale I recently spilled water into, works fine if disassembled and dried properly. The planet is going down hill fast and here they are playing games.
@@PadyEos Absolutely, so much is thrown away which could be fixed these days! But every time you fail at repairing something, you learn. So at least if it is beyond repair, you've got something from it. The idea of repairing things and being self sufficient seems to be something which is dying out, and more worryingly, being discouraged and actively made impossible. This really isn't a good culture for upcoming techies or the world as a whole. :(
7:10 "you can repair a lot of things at low cost, but it's even more precious to know you did it yourself", big respect for Mr. Wozniak and his mentality, such an inspirational person.
Steve, We come up from that generation. We learned by doing. Louis could have been either of our kids. He's a hard worker and has been raised right. I've been following this young man now for a while and I'm very sure he'll do what he says. Your help would start a storm of change and be a legacy to the future. Do what you can.
The most important of the two “Steve’s” even took care of Jobs kid while he was busy IGNORING her, overall great great guy. Much respect for this very humble man. Long live Wozniak and thanks for the video! Edit: Almost forgot: Louis Rossman, ‘You The Man’!
I could listen to Steve Wozniak for hours. His life is SO interesting. He knows what is right and wrong in the Big Tech Industry and is the Co-founder of Big Tech before their main motivation was just money. People like him should be advising the government about the history and current and future laws and trends of Big Tech. Thank you, Steve Wozniak.
There is an interesting national security argument here, in that future generations need to be able to learn about electronics to protect our nation's engineering ability
There are millions of people all over the world, in jobs they only have because they’re the only people who know how to use the outdated tech in huge industries, that people are scared to replace, or unsure how. Guys running “old tin” servers in their 60’s that have been installed since the early 90’s.
Government and defense at times can represent a goldmine for legacy hardware and software. The circuit designs for many electronic controls have their roots in the 70's and 80's. Legacy circuit board assembly machinery used to build said hardware runs on MS DOS and is still used today. It assuredly represents a risk when the day comes that nobody knows how to repair this legacy machinery, or troubleshoot the old designs.
"Hey, is it your computer, or is it some companies computer?" Unfortunately Apple doesn't seem to share this idea. Their answer would be "OUR COMPUTER!"
Right; it becomes your doorstop when they don't want to stock parts, even batteries any more. Typing this on a 2011 Air they stopped even allowing in an Apple store back shop years ago. Self installed 3rd party battery...mostly still going strong.
Even your Data is theirs, you must use their products to access it ,and once you lose your password or damaged your products ,their genius employees will steal your photos ,videos and contacts
There used to be joke that IE6 is used to browse internet from your PC and vice versa. Today, this is sad standard. I think it was HP that had slogan "make PC personal again". Sad, it never happened.
I remember talking about the ARPANET for a school project back in the 90's. Truly inspiring message with a fantastic story. I have built so many things open source; ECU's, 3d printers, port sniffers... I feel like a better person because of open source. Thank you for your contribution!
Our tube tester was at the local SuperX drug store (long gone now). Used to ride on my bicycle with a bag of tubes down to the SuperX and find the bad tube, buy a new one and fix my grandmothers TV. Did all that when I was around 9 or 10. So yea almost anyone could fix a TV back then. Having Woz onboard is awesome!
Sixty years later most of the tubes still work, as long as the capacitors aren't leaking. That era of electronics, serviced today, definately discourages see-hot-replace-hot in favor of see-hot-ponder-why. It's like that first FET in an iPhone: it's an indicator, not the primary fault. The rectifier tube before a bad smoothing cap is what Jessa would call the thinnest wire.
@@tactileslut On any given day a bad/leaky capacitor is a good bet. My most recent TV repair was my own plasma TV circa 2008. Poly caps on the D-Sus rail (about 300VDC) spit out their guts all over the place. There's a surprising amount of metal in those lol. But yeah if something is hot, that doesn't mean replace it. Heck in that old tube TV almost everything is hot, would be interesting to watch the see-hot-replace-hot crowd have a go at that.
Yeah, we are about the same age then. Grandad would inspect TV tubes, and put them in the big tester at the drug store ... just buy a new one. Now the battery in i-Things is hard coded, and glued in such a way a mere user cannot swap it out. Like Tron: Fight for The Users.
the tube story is the most amazing thing, i know about the tubes, had them in guitar amps. I never knew there were boards in shops to test them. that is such a cool lost bit of technical history. -i wonder if any boards still exist, maybe in collections
Hi Steve I am an old man. Remember RADIO SHACK. HEATHKIT? NOT ONLY SCHEMATICS WERE AVAILABLE. BUT TROUBLESHHOTING HANDBOOK AND SPARE PARTS TOO. WE HAVE TO BRING BACK "GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE" TKS FOR JOINING YOUR VOICE TO RIGHT TO REPAIR
I actually remember as a child growing up, the little corner of our local grocery store which had a tube tester. You could test your own tubes and if it was faulty, you could purchase a replacement! My parents always preferred to call the local repairman instead, in case there were other issues. Thankyou, Steve for reminding me of that. ..... another pleasant memory from my childhood which seems to be gone forever.....
I really wish Wozniak ran Apple, or more of his philosophies were a part of Apple's current business model. Currently I just can't buy any Apple product, as I understand that it's designed to escentially be disposed of within 3-5 years. As someone who's used to upgrading his PC with new parts instead of just buying a new one, this really irks me.
IDK if this is true now... I am STILL using a 2011 macbook pro without any issues.. just facetimed my gramma on her iPhone 12! Try using a PC from 2011, it would not feel as usable! "designed to be disposed of" - its more like "designed to be repaired differently" with newer units at this point. 2012 MacBook pros have HDD cable issues, 2019 MacBook pros have ISL chip issues.
Actually, apple products get more support for longer than android products, maybe on the desktop pc side you're right, but not on the smartphone and tablet side, for macbooks, i'd say they're about the same as windows laptops, maybe not the M1 macbooks, those are definitely more closed.
@@somesituation That's not true. My mom still uses her 10 year old 4core sandy bridge windows laptop, no discrete graphics. I only changed hdd for SSD, and it's still extremely usable. macbooks are still usable because they don't have lowest tier of hardware. They hopped on SSD early. In comparison, huge quantities of windows devices use cheapest and slowest components, that were barely usable even at the time of purchase? And we are now also at the point where PCs are fast enough for majority of people. 1TB of storage, 16GB of RAM has been a standard for half a decade now for a reason. And average person will not notice 10 or 20% faster CPU. You saying 10 year old Mac is working without issues is not that impressive in this context.
I think he is an amazing engineer and would have been good to have more of his ideology around. The other side is making things have a good user experience and interface and be easy to use. You need a balance. Now its just a corporate machine that needs to crank out new devices every year. I think Steve Jobs originally argued for a closed system so there could be tight integration, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be accessible and repairable.
I was searching for a proof that the world would be better if companies were run by engineers instead of accountants. I think this video is the proof of that
I agree with "Woz." I'm an old guy and remember building a lot of my own electronic equipment. Such tinkering led to my engineering degree years later. I found this channel through "happenstance" and have just subscribed. Thank you.
This is exactly how improvement comes about: it's about neatly defined intermediate layers that allow people to build on top of, maintain and update what's already there.
This man was responsible for creating the *_US Festival_* in '82 & '83! Thanks Woz, for your always forward-thinking mentality, and always... with the masses in mind!
You need both - you need the genius with creating the product and you also need the genius to package it and make it feasible for general consumption. Plenty of companies had one or the other - Apple excelled because it benefited from both Steves. People who downplay the role of either are grossly ignorant.
In the 80's, Jobs was on the cover of all the business magazines. Woz was on the cover of all the computer magazines. I'd guess that Woz's mug sold a lot more magazines than Jobs did because Woz had the more hard-core loyal following back then. That's when computer magazines covered actual science and engineering and did interviews with the people who were doing the actual innovation. Now, it's all just stories about the newest piece of hardware or software, and you have no idea of the people behind the scenes doing the actual work.
Here from Louis' channel. I've always had respect for Woz. But him coming out and talking about right to repair, and explaining why this is not a new thing, works. Thank you
His book i Woz is great. and the principles here are spot on. The motivation to solve a technical problem is the sheer joy of figuring out logical techniques which achieve your purpose. It's like unlocking a secret door in the universe. A whole new class of creators can arise from the right to repair.
Thank you Steve Wozniak!
Hey you here too!
it's great to see that you too support the movement.
thanks.
Good to see you here, David!
I wonder if he knows about the Commander X16.
Thank you for keeping so many historical pieces of technology alive with your videos David!
Protect this man at all costs.
Seriously. I wouldn't put it past Apple to not resort to Epsteining someone to protect their empire.
There aren't any costs:) All positives.
@@freddyt55555 I doubt it. Right now it's in apple's best interest to serialize. Once they make it illegal to serialize apple will just have to tweak their formula to incorporate higher repairability in order to keep themselves competitive...no big deal when everyone has to do it.
WEll your right I think he is going on the hit list. But they already did a number on him many many years ago. Pushed him out quietly. about the time I stopped supporting APPLE.....Love the Waz
I was about to jump for joy when the company almost failed then Microsoft bailed them out. They already did some crap to Waz.
This man gives no fucks about money, he stayed true to his beliefs and left Apple. What a legend.
he is still a major shareholder of Apple. So he hardly left apple still has a say when it comes to Apple.,
Be fair, he retired.
He went into teaching, his true love and gets his (rightful) share of profits from Apple Inc. that he basically started.
*He B the OG of Apple C.*
Steve deserved his disease, he had to pay his Greed while Wozniak deserved his peace.
He didn't technically leave Apple, but he did go his own way. Steve Jobs always gave him a pass, and probably agreed with Woz on a lot of his principles. But he also knew what it took to get his products to the public. Woz was never for Apple's closed system, but if he had his say we wouldn't have ANY Apple computers. But I am glad he stayed true to himself. He remained a pirate.
Wozniak has just proven that he's not done making computer history.
He is definitely the greater Steve. By a long shot.
Ah, it’s like deciding which is the greater in The Beatles. A fools errand, each needed the other.
@@fillhixx It was McCartney. (sorry I couldn't help it, its my sarcasm day of the week)
Really the WAZ was apple. without him the company would not be here. I hate apple Love the waz.
@@Mikefngarage *WOZ,,,,
The Right to Repair is also eco friendly approach of suppoting products.
Since everyone pretends to care about the environment this should be the first argument people trying to get right to repair pass should make. I mean you can't oppose something that would benefit the environment without Twitter trying to cancel you.
@@niklasholgerson3779 Twitter tries canceling everyone and everything.
Nobody that uses it has any credibility.
Exactly and absolutely right! Apple claims to care about environment by taking out the charger and headset from the package but at the same time they fighting against things that would trully help environmet.
Imagine they could earn money with selling genuine parts while still being considered eco friendly... I never get why they refuse to make more money by selling replacement parts and marketing that. (Car manufacturers for ages make more money in the parts and repairs afterwards than by selling only the cars.)
@@niklasholgerson3779 Since everyone "pretends" to care about environment? Many people genuinely care about the environment, and it's actually quite short-sighted and egocentric not to care about it
This is the difference between a true tech enthusiast and a "business" person. The Woz is the man!
Most underrated person in history
To date, this is the single best endorsement of Right To Repair.
I don't think he endorsed it. Closest thing he said is it time to do the right thing. Typically that would suggest it but I don't think he will stand behind it. There's some caveat
@@anev7163 you didn't listen carefully? He talked for the whole video that products should be open and that companies should look for other ways to innovate instead of totally controlling their products
@@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065 i did listen carefully. I could be very wrong but he skated the endorsement. Very politician sounding response. Story to relate, statement of whats moral, but in the end never endorsed it. Such a long drawn out response and from what i heard not a single commitment to help the cause. He skated it
@@anev7163 He literally starts off by saying to Louis that he hasn't been involved with right to repair due to other commitments in life, but that he is "totally supportive and that the people behind it are totally doing the right thing" and then continues on that he now has subbed to Louis channel due to right to repair. At about 0:20
From the creator of one of the main opposing side
He's a highly conscious person. Salute to Louis Rossmann.
Looking smashing and killing it in Sweden! (;
Highly conscious?
*Rossmann
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 Probably some hindu philosophy getting translated into english... basically saying that he is enlightened.
Conscientious
His values are completely different from the current state of the company he cofounded. And I admire him for staying true to his conviction instead of profiting from riding in Apple.
@Jaquan Kelsor It's also what's depleting Earth's resource at a scary rate
If Apple had remained a company with The Woz's values it would today be the coolest patchouli-scented boutique computer store with four months unpaid rent on their behind-the-strip-mall 200 square foot space. Grow up, folks.
@Piotr Konieczynski Не понимаю тебя / Nie rozumiem cię / I do not understand you.
@Piotr Konieczynski No, I'm pretty bright (Google me), but your punctuation-deficient string of words: "Yes better have billion sheep/owners with unpaid rent" was not clear regarding your intended meaning, which is understandable if English is not your first language. This is why I responded to you in Russian, Polish, and English so that I could be as clear as possible regarding my problem understanding you.
So if you would show me a little common respect and explain, perhaps with more words, what you meant. Just imagine the picture your words paint in the mind of those with whom you communicate; when the picture is clear, say THOSE words.
Thanks.
Funny he's filming this in front of a Mac.
"You could go to a grocery store to test your vacuum tube." BOOM, Mind blown. Today electronics shops are so rare you'd think it was illegal to sell the parts.
If you were to theoretically buy batteries and/or housings that didn’t “fall off the back of an apple truck” they are illegal. Bullshit
Yeah the nearest fucking electronic/computer store from me (that is semi-large) is well over 300mi away... And the nearest town to me has 30k people living in it. So... yeah... That tells ya something doesn't it.
Thats because it is "nearly" illegal for certain parts to be sold to us the end user. Thus - The right to repair movement.
My father would remove the tubes from the tv and sent me to the store to test the tubes then buy what we needed. Fond memory.
I REMEMBER going with my dad to the A&P to test tubes. Funny as hell for me cause like waz said not all tubes had numbers on them so you try to line up the prongs on the tube with the machine and some times they would be close but not match and my dad would curse the machine. 😂😁🤣😆🇺🇸
He called an actual vacuum tube part number off the top of his head, decades later. This is why we love 'Woz
You know that he's very passionate engineer.
that was a rather popular number. but then again there wasnt a huge selection to work with. you used other components to tune your circuits.
I just googled that out of curiosity when he said it... yup, that's a tube part number alright.
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I remember using a 5Y3 tube in my electronics class. It is full-wave rectifier that converts AC to DC.
I’ve always loved woz’s enthusiasm for tech and the specifics about them. I’ll never forget the joy of opening up something and learning about it. You’ll always be a legend Woz! The right to repair must always exist
He really does have a story for _everything._ Any computing or tech subject you could think of. He had a story involving Captain Crunch, if you know who that is, hah.
I saw him speak in person at an event held by the MD Apple Corps user group, in the early 2000s, when I was in my teens.
This video is yet another example of why UA-cam needs a love button... liking this is just not enough. God bless Woz... the world would be a much better place if we would just listen to guys like him and follow their advice.
Amen!
True that
some yes some no. Thank you Steve for all your good work & great example to young people.
Not sure what you mean, the favourite list has been a part of UA-cam ever since I can remember. Use the feature, stop pretending like you don't know about it.
@@lindalinda-ie3hw Steve is a great example of a manipulator and emotional abuser sure
Such stark contrast in position of the founder to the current incorrigible malevolent monstrosity
Can't blame them, the founders will always be enthusiasts. But CEOs down the line keep the company going.
Why is Steve not at least on the Board at Apple? Did he sell the company or something? I dont know the history.
@@davecrupel2817 IIRC he sold off his stock, he has no ownership of Apple Inc. Could have a small amount still but not enough to be an influencer.
@@davecrupel2817 watch the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley". All you need to know.
@@MiGujack3 The company isn't "going" too well right now since the government is investigating their shady practices.
I built a fully working Nintendo DS from broken DS parts at age 11. It was like building legos. The feeling when that screen turned on and that sound played after hours of trial and error was priceless. With modern technology, It’s not that easy anymore. I want technology to be open again. I want my tools to last and I want to enjoy the process of making them work again when they go bad.
Yeah, I like being able to take apart my joy-cons and fix them, (not with drift because everyone is affected by it and it sucks) but enjoy repairing the plastic buckles and replacing worn out parts.
I like being able to take apart my laptop from 2005 and being able to change the thermal paste and ram.
@unsubtract true true.
@unsubtract you actually CAN replace the thermal paste on most macbooks but the detachment of extra shit makes it feel impossible lol
Can you make a video of the DS?
This actually made the news on BBC radio in the UK, never thought Right to Repair would get a fraction of the traction that this statement could provide.
Thanks Woz. I grew up in electronics in the same area the time that you did. The creativeness of openness sure aided me. I'm so glad you are now in a position where you can express these views.
love you steve thanks for the support 🤗
"is it your computer or some companies computer?" Very well said
is it your internet or some companies internet
You don't own anything until you have root access, now consider your phone
is it your money in your wallet and bank account, or a certain private organization money?
if it is yours, then you can destroy it while live stream it to the entire of your country without any problem, just like what you can do to your phone
@@electronresonator8882 If it is yours, then you can share it with your friends. That's why torrenting is very much morally right and should be legal.
Studying for that A&P?
Wow, I'm glad I found this video! Apple 2 shipped with schematics, crazy! Let's fix things rather than toss out.
Yes 100%!!!...intent obsolescence built into the system is ruining our planet and our wallets.
My iPad sure didn’t have any schematic
yeah
@@texsizeParrot And you won't find one even if you ask Apple!
Apple II shipped with full schematics, parts list, and sourcecode. Everything you needed to repair or modify your machine. Everything Taiwan needed to clone (and gradually improve) the machine. Apple clones were cheaper (and better) than genuine Apples. That's why Apple will never opensource schema and source for their disposable iToys. They keep everything as proprietary, vendor-locked, and patented as possible.
Apple doesn't sell tech anymore, they sell fashion.
This man's still got the passion for engineering and electronics, you can hear it in his voice. I think he's an absolute gem of an intelligent human being with common sense. He's asking the right questions, and saying the right things, with an open mindset. Who could ask for anything more?
His enthusiasm is bloody infectious isn't it. 👍
Well said. He's not afraid of controversy. He doesn't play it safe. Good man.
_"This man's still got the passion for engineering and electronics, you can hear it in his voice."_
YES! I noticed that, too.
7:46 - listen to how his tone changes. There is so much history behind that. The Apple II kept the company afloat while the Apple III, the Lisa, and then the Mac sputtered and burned money (yes, the Mac was an abject failure in its initial years), and in spite of that, the Apple II and Woz himself were disrespected. He'll never forget that and he'll never stop setting the record straight.
Watching this video actually made me tear up a bit. We always knew which side of right-to-repair Woz was on, it was just a matter of time before he came out with it. For decades, this man has personified technical curiosity and the ability to tinker with what you own, and his support is the voice of a giant.
Is crazy to think that from the Apple II there wasn't any mayor profit maker product until the iPod came along. The the iPhone 5 years after that. And now what?
Wozniak and Steve Jobs ended up both being right in their own way. They’re actually really similar but disagreed on how to make the magic happen. Apple is still very much Steve ethically.
"we wouldn't have had an apple, had I not grown up in a very open technology world"
Woz is the man. He should be more known than Steve Jobs,.
@@kartikeypandey8957 of marketing.. Woz is an actual technical genius.
@@kartikeypandey8957 Jobs pushed Woz out of Apple. Maybe Job's sabotage of the Apple III (no fans) was subconscious, but he definitely could have supported his friend more. The Apple IIGS was demonstrably superior to the first Macs. Jobs created such a hostile work environment, Apple decided to replace him with the guy from Pepsi. In the long term it was a mistake, but it wasn't by chance they decided to take the risk of getting rid of him.
Woz is also a good and decent person, as well as an engineering genius. Jobs knew how to exploit people around him, and make a lot of money doing it. Jobs was a boyhood hero of mine, but the more I found out about him, the less I like him.
True. Woz is a really nice guy which you can't really say about Jobs.
@@kartikeypandey8957 they're both geniuses. jobs got you to think he's a genius was his genius. does that make sense? that was the allure, he could sell you anything you didn't know you needed. that i think is worthy of genius status. woz was a genius in other ways, more technical development, engineering and skill. it took both parts working in tandem to start apple.
Yes absolutely, let's make that happen. I don't want to witness Tesla loosing to Edison in our time. We have the chance to right those wrongs while Woz is still with us.
I bought one of the very first Apples from the 2 Steves at the Hayward Computer Users Club. I too was one of those kids in my neighborhood who everyone would leave their broken electronics on my porch to fix. I remember "pre-ordering" my "Apple" because they needed the funds to buy the first 300 boards. My Apple schematic was the "Red Book", parts of which were hand written 6502 machine code by WOZ. In those days we all contributed for free. WOZ has always been a prodigy. He was the real brains behind the design of the first Apples. Of course you can read the history, so I'll leave the rest to Google. But to my point; WOZ was, and apparently still is, a believer in "open source". The first Apple computers had slots, much the same as modern PCs. There was much controversy when they decided to go to a closed non-user hardware friendly system. Now days, you can't even replace a battery in most all of Apple products without specialized tools and skill. Glad to hear he is still the same. Thanks for posting this!
It’s interesting that the reason it felt like two different companies is because… it essentially was. Thank you for your perspective.
do you still have it? that would be a cool thing to see in a video or something :)
He seems like a humble man
Your impression is spot on. Watch his other interviews and appearances.
When you have your entire lifes work stolen from you by Steve Jobs, it tends to humble you.
@@keanoevans5024 He was humble before that. Woz has always been a happy teddy bear of a dude. And I love hte fact that he was so trusting, and got screwed over by Jobs, but it really didn't change his outlook. Still does right by his fellow man.
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'Man' is the correct word to use.
Not PERSON
So congratulations for understanding the English language better than the masses of uneducated.
@@andrew_koala2974 And where do you get off with that comment? The "I'm a total jackass on the internet" stop?
Steve should speak more if this is his character. Don't be silent Steve.
Hahaha good one :)
steve is dead
@@alfiewhitson7726 that is Steve
He's totally correct. There were places all over to get single components to repair radios and televisions. The same guy in my old local hardware store that cut keys, also did the tube testing. Oh and Radio Shack/Tandy stores sold radios, parts, resistors, etc. Those were all over as well. One Christmas (1972 I think) I received a radio kit from Radio Shack. It had a simple open board and everything you needed to build the thing. I was SO hurt when they stopped selling parts. And Ma Bell had their own stores too. You couldn't get a telephone unless it was bought there. The phones were on display kinda like cell phones are now - different styles and colors. Nope, you better NOT try to fix it, just bring it in and get another one. Hahaha....I had almost forgotten this aspect of society before digital life and computers. Thanks Woz for the memories!!
When he talks about the Apple-II he sounds like a dad proud of his kid.
Wouldnt you be?
It is exactly like that when you create thing... even better when you create a thing that millions of people love. There really is nothing better than that in the world of tech. Your thing may fade away, but what you gave to those people, how you influenced theirs lives, that's for keeps.
Apple (ironically) we’re the affordable brand in the early days of PCs. For the longest time Intel had a monopoly.
@@DaveHaynie Agreed! However, if i may slight nuance. I don’t think that tech fades. I think new stuff gets built on backs of older stuff and on and on it goes. People often forget, but things aren’t made in a vacuum.
The Apple ][+ changed my life.
Everyone needs to get behind Louis.
It’s so important to take control back over the items WE own!
I don't think it's a good idea to get behind just one guy, but we should get behind all good right to repair advocates
Steve you are 100% correct. Remember the only thing that can't be fixed is a stubborn person. If these people were measured ohmically, the measured resistance would be infinite.
You and Steve will forever be legendary
Greetings from the repairer
I would love to see Steve and Louis do a livestream together, talking about this.
That would be a historical moment
👍I second this whole heartedly!
So much YES!
WOZ if you read this. Rise up aginst the machine!
Apple is over there running like skynet! 😂😂
That would truly be profound. I’d love to see it happen.
@@jazztanszak it literaly would be. ❤️
Wozniak is the true genius behind apple. Now that he's backing right to repair makes him the ultimate legend.
Steve Wozniak would still have made something of himself, he did build his first PC. It's too bad about his "friend", the pirate.
You do realize that apple only produce closed systems right? ohhh the irony :):):):):):):):):):)
@@kopuz.co.uk. Wozniak had it all open. He made his computer for the people. You’re talking about Steve Jobs. Apple is a Steve Jobs company. Wozniak is in the engineer field including Hardware/Software design that includes all the paper work. Wozniak was in an airplane accident. It took years for Wozniak to get his sense back. When Wozniak returned to Apple, Steve Jobs had made most of the decisions that Wozniak had always refused like using a special bit to be able to open a Mac PC and more.
The right to repair also enables those young inquisitive minds to grow into fantastic engineers.
As a repair tech, I constantly complain that the trade is turning into board replacement and turning rapidly away from component level repair. I have colleagues who can barely solder, read schematics or even mildly think out of the box. I love this trade - from a very young age, I have always done what I do.
No fookin company has the right to take that away and by doing so, creating mountains of e-waste and hindering a whole generation from becoming what they were destined to become.
Woz is an absolute legend, as is Bill Herd, the old crews at IBM, Tektronix and HP and so on....
The right to repair is long overdue...it's not a trend or a movement - it's a fookin lifestyle. \m/
as a kid i would mess with electronics like crazy, now im 20 have my PC Pro and Network Pro certifications. I was top of my class knowledge wise because when i joined the class in HS i already knew how to take apart computers because as a kid i wanted to know why electronics worked.
I remember seeing an ad, probably getting on for 25 years ago here in the UK, from a company for a technician stating that they wanted somebody that could detect and replace at component level. However I knew somebody at the company and all they wanted was somebody that knew about electronics and was able to replace complete boards. Somebody did not know what they were saying when they composed that advertisement. However it is often less expensive for a company to replace a complete board than the time and involvement in just finding and replacing the component and they do not need so highly qualified people. However they do tend to still charge an arm and a leg for it.
That's the evolution of electronics, smaller, faster and more memory. When this happens components are miniaturized and not practical for repairing.
Just to let you know, apple repurposes electronics. All you bozos out here claiming companies creating e waste. You have not a single clue what happens to phones when they get traded in. Talk to anyone who has family is other countries. A lot of those countries use older gen devices. As for apple or any cell company that takes trade ins, do you think they’d let money slip by? They recycle and reuse for their new phones.
@@RolandKoller90 I work in the industry mate....as do a lot of us here. I'm well aware what apple and co. do when it comes to their 'older' devices.
But this is about the right to repair. That we collective 'bozos' have the right to repair the defective devices that 'bozos' like you have paid good money for :)
Steve Wozniak is a living legend. He should come back and fix Apple.
The Sage has spoken. Woz has never changed. He's a true benevolent genius. The world is a better place with him in it.
As a young guy, hearing about the availability of test kits and the culture around repairing your technology is very foreign. In my generation, much of the technological world is a "black box", in the sense that "we don't know why it works, it just does, and I know what store to call if it stops working".
Very cool anecdote from Steve.
Young guy? I am 32 years old and we used to repair our technology when I was a kid, I am Young!!! 32 is young.
Not being able to repair technology is very recent.
@@drrd4127 32 is not young to someone 20 and under, I'm 21 and grew up in the same fashion, didn't stop me from opening up every laptop I've owned, ignoring the massive warranty voided label is common nowadays if you want to repair your own.
It’s impossible to overstate how important this message is.
History in the making indeed.
"You can repair a lot of things at low cost, but it's even more precious to know you did it yourself." I repaired the cable on my Sony MDR-V6s. Even though it was a super easy repair, and getting parts was super cheap, I found repairing it fun, and the happiness I felt when I plugged in my headphones and they worked beautifully was so awesome to me. What he's saying is spot on.
Avery what are you doing here
to think that louis has at some point seen this video, and is fangirling over it is amazing, my hats off to you man! you've done more than anyone else could!
Mind explaining what your comment means lol, I'm curious
@@AB-yw2xc Louis Rossman is an owner of an independent repair shop for Apple products. He runs a UA-cam channel in which he shows people how to repair their Apple laptops. He started from nothing and built his company up over the years to something that kind of "runs itself" with employees (technicians) and everything, so he has turned to full-time activism for right to repair, going from state to state to speak to courts and law makers and generally making videos on this subject.
Right to repair is the guy's life right now, so imagine the technician founder of Apple coming out and saying he's a fan and putting his voice on Louis Rossman's side.
Louis Rossman IS the face of the Right To Repair Movement.
A man of principle not profit. Like a breath of fresh air. I always thought with Jobs it was smoke and mirrors. This man is just open and honest. A gem.
It's funny how in a world where only closed, black box devices like iThings exist, Steve Wozniak would not have had the opportunity to learn the skills he needed to make Apple's first successful products in the first place.
Suits are so quick to forget how and why their companies came to be. How do they even expect the next generation of Engineers to get started? In College? That's WAY too late.
Apple is really lucky that regular PCs still exist - if their products had a monopoly and they locked the Macs down like the iPhone as they, as stated in the Apple vs. Epic hearing, would like to (for "security"), they wouldn't find any developers and engineers.
More than likely they are going to start on relying on engineers from third world countries or countries where fixing things is a necessity because of lack income opportunities. The thing is, to the suits it doesn't matter WHERE the engineers come from, only that they arrive in droves so they can pick and choose the best and then pay them as little as possible so they can continue to increase executive salaries and benefits.
I firmly believe this is all a result of the current business model that companies operate on, unrestricted, unlimited growth for infinity. When you're whole business is built on the idea there's always a few more customers down the street than you have to start using these bad practices in order to continue to grow your income because the customer base is always finite.
> Suits are so quick to forget how and why their companies came to be
Um no, they didn't forget anything. They DON'T WANT a wiz kid to come around and start the next Apple to compete with them.
College is not way too late lol. Most design comes from semiconductor chip design rather than systems level now. Nobody is going to learn how to tape out a custom asic without going to school and getting the proper guidance.
We already have arduino and raspberry pis. If you want to learn go have fun with those.
@@shakingwater One-Dimensional Thinking.
@@DeTrOiTXX12 please tell me. If apple released their schematic today how many kids are going to go around fixing and building iPhones. If the goal is to teach arduino or raspberry pi works much better.
I am a professional hardware engineer btw. I do this for a living. No kid is going to figure out the complexity of an integrated circuit component by themselves. It's easier to learn through open source kits already available.
Woz still thinks like an electronics enthusiast. God bless him...
Steve Wozniak is one of the most brilliant engineers and minds on this planet and one really genuinely good and kind human being.
In the last couple of years, I have repaired several of our home appliances. A clothes washer, dryer & a microwave. To my surprise, when I opened these appliances, the schematics were safely stored inside on paper for the repair man! It made me think of my day job where I have to obtain schematics from sketchy sources and reverse engineer things to figure out what could just be available. I highly doubt repair information is made secret & components being hard or impossible to obtain is all for the security of the end user. It boggles my mind that people would even buy that story, but many do.
Haha similar thing here...I was amazed when i pulled the cover off my Bosch gas hot water system to find a schematic.. also was easy to diagnose a blown ELCB.. then not so amazed when i called the authorised Bosch repairer who told me my system was obsolete, it cant be repaired and I needed to spend $1000 on a new one. Even after I told them the part i needed. Bought a replacement for $20 from an electronics store and all good (also confirmed the heater wasnt even obsolete, its still selling online).
Repair information is not secret stuff, see SAMS Photofact/Technical Publising.
There is nothing to be stolen by giving people access to service manuals and schematics, and people need to understand this.
It depends. I am an industrial automation engineer. There are many proprietary technologies now. I came across lot of Chinese and US products, even whole plants (especially Buhler, they won’t give out any PLC program or backup even if you pay the full price and additional warranty). Some companies like GSI would send the whole PLC program if we showed we can do it. But a lot of them won’t give out anything. New Chinese companies, after all the technology theft, are now into hiding stuff.
So do not just compare your home appliances and come to a conclusion.
@@piratenu1 I work in the same field, and I have never delivered a system without the accompanying application. It is common for end users to make their own changes to the application in the field years after the system has been delivered.
WAY TO GO BRO!
I love how he just casually mentions that he MADE breakout for atari
Is that why we get the term "it was a breakout success"?
I love how he casually boasts about being on the ARPANET back when there were six computers on it. 😂 People pay millions of dollars in the UAE for low-numbered license-plates, and for al little while, people were trying to cash in on low-numbered ICQ accounts. Imagine what this would have been like. 🤯
@@user-vn7ce5ig1z He didn't mention it in this video, but he is also Apple Computer employee #1 (and is still employed by them).
@@SpaceClick "employed" is only in name only as he does no work or any actual function for Apple these days....he's still on the payroll of Apple and he will be for the rest of his life. I think Steve Jobs insisted on that (lifetime payroll) for Woz when Wozniak left the company as a thank you to his co-founder.
Woz has always spoken his mind on the industry and he wasnt' / isn't afraid of being on the opposite side of the company that he co-founded all those years ago. I don't know what Woz is using now for a smartphone, but a few years back...he was rocking an Android, not an iphone and made that public knowledge. If that doesn't tell you the amount of integrity that Woz has, nothing will
Just a casual off the hand sort of thing
Remember: There's probably a timeline out there where Jobs quit Apple and Wozniak stayed in the business. Instead of this unrepairable crap, Apple would be working on modular laptops now that ran WozOS 12.
That's cool to think about lol
Woz was not much of a businessman to my understanding, if it hadn't been for Jobs Apple would not be where it is today
@@gur1363 --- business people can't make a dime without the real geniuses like Woz --- Commie Trump went bankrupt many times because he had no Woz
@@gur1363 I'm on your side. Woz is genius and a saint, but a savvy business man he is not. If he was the CEO, "Apple computer" would probably be a single store in a strip mall somewhere selling DIY educational Apple 2 computer kits on Etsy. It would be super cool, but... well, you know. Not quite the same level, I don't think.
@@gur1363 yet, his products were the ones that worked and sold well. The Apple 2 did well, but the Apple 3 which steve jobs was in charge of did not, and suffered numerous failures.
Thanks for the support Steve and thanks for progressing technology over the years.
Steve's words on this matter carry weight and credibility.
The guys a legend, and I don't even like Apple products.
That’s why you’re only half fast.
- The Steves
@@cavemanvi 😆
I learned to like the Apple II (that Wozniak designed) as I had to write programs for it. It was common in labs everywhere in my country (along with our local ABC 80 line of computers). After the 1970s and 80s, Apple has been pretty irrelevant to me though.
@@herrbonk3635 when I was a kid my parents (not knowing anything about computers) bought me an IBM PCjr. Other families got Apples. The PCjr was a nightmare as a kids first introduction to computers.
@@HFG You actually have no idea how privileged you are :D Speaking of nightmare, my first (own) computer was a Sinclair ZX80/81 with 1K of RAM(!). On the other hand totally open, like the Apple II. So it taugh me a lot about digital electronics making interfaces to it. But it was slow and primitive compared to the "professional" ABC 80 & 800 computers that I knew from school and summer jobs. Apple II was later jobs. The M$ (or Gates, Allen, Davidoff) BASIC it used was also pretty slow though, so we had to resort to assembly for serious programs on this machine. (Wozniak's Integer BASIC was faster, but not that popular as it didn't handle floating point numbers.)
Had a Tube tester at a corner store up the street from me when I was a child. EVERYTHING was fixable by a knowledgeable consumer, or even a consumer with a mechanical aptitude could usually figure it out.
If I can legally repair the brakes on a 4500 lb vehicle and blast it down the highway at 70 mph, I should be able fix my phone should I so desire.
I bought my last apple product a few years ago over the right to repair argument. Literally have bought 1000's of dollars worth of apple products over the decades. I have also successfully stopped my friends and some of my coworkers from buying their products.
Even more egregious than their extreme greed in not allowing unauthorized repairs of their products, at the Apple stores where you are required to bring your products for servicing, instead of spending the damn money hiring professionals that actually know how to repair things, they hire some kid that probably doesn't even know what a soldering iron is, they follow some troubleshooting script on the computer screen and kindly informs you that this gizmo you spent thousands on last year is prohibitively expensive to repair and is now worthless and you are better off buying another.
Heh, you remind me of an anecdote from a contractor we had in to do some work. In this case it wasn't even the companies, it was municipal licensing/permits being a cash grab. He said "You'd be allowed to do your own electrical changes and potentially burn down the house, do gaswork and potentially have it explode, or alter the plumbing and potentially flood it, but no way in heck are you allowed to move the air in the home by touching the HVAC without a license for it! (the former three are permissible if you get a permit and have it inspected accordingly, of course, so the risks are a bit of a hyperbole) I get part of it if there are refrigerant systems involved but I fail to see why I should not be allowed to (say) relocate vents or install a better filter housing in the return air duct.
think we still use this in hifi i use a tube amp for my vinyl hobby just sounds better digital is too clean i change them once every 1-2 years think it went out of style back in the 90's when i was a kid so never really seen it in anything else here
I have only once set foot in an apple store in my entire 27 years of life. That was to buy an ipod touch 5th gen.
Never before,
*Never* after.
At least not untill this ruthless greediness from Apple ceases.
Though I'll likely die of old age before then.
@@davecrupel2817 actualy have never been in an apple store never seemed like my thing i like to tinker i like things that are modular apple seems like the opposite product
@@PainX187 its not that we still use it, they stopped using vacuum tubes for about 40 years and then about a decade or so ago they started to be used again in extremely expensive devices because people knew they created a far better sound and now they are starting to become more mainstream and prices are going down a little.
Oh wow! I never thought we'll never hear this from somebody like him. Thanks Steve Wozniak for the kind words and supporting the cause!
Just listening this man talk is a life-changing experience. He reminds me of my original dreams and goals in life. Thanks woz.
Absolutely fucking wonderful. And holy shit, I'd kill to have seen Rossman's reaction when he first watched this.
IKR
What a wonderfully open-mind this man has. A genuine beautiful person, with a personal history to back up his points of view. Thank you Mr Wozniak for sharing.
This is how it should be. People being capable of repairing and even *owning* their own equipment. Fantastic to see such a hardware legend speak complete sense - a man from a time when techies ruled, not lawyers. Huge thumbs up.
I have to admit I've failed many times at repairing some electronic devices I own. I still resent the e-waste. But half the time it's quite the simple fix once you get past all the hurdles intentionally put up by companies, like uncommon screws, hidden screws, hidden clips, glue and missing part numbers, schematics and instructions. Just a couple of weeks ago I fixed my 4 year old mouse that still works perfectly now and avoided e-waste for a rarely used button that got stuck and just needed to be popped back up from the inside. Same with a kitchen scale I recently spilled water into, works fine if disassembled and dried properly. The planet is going down hill fast and here they are playing games.
@@PadyEos Absolutely, so much is thrown away which could be fixed these days! But every time you fail at repairing something, you learn. So at least if it is beyond repair, you've got something from it. The idea of repairing things and being self sufficient seems to be something which is dying out, and more worryingly, being discouraged and actively made impossible. This really isn't a good culture for upcoming techies or the world as a whole. :(
I'm a lawyer and totally agree
@@retronoobtech8551 if we can get the lawyers on board, we’ve won! Sanity WILL prevail. 😆
I LOVE STEVE WOZNIAK. He's the man. His philosophy resonates with me. I wish Apple used him as their compass, I might still buy their products then.
Thank you Louis and Steve! You guys are HEROS! Keep doing the right things!
7:10 "you can repair a lot of things at low cost, but it's even more precious to know you did it yourself", big respect for Mr. Wozniak and his mentality, such an inspirational person.
He's an inspiration for all engineers out there, certainly for me.
Steve, We come up from that generation. We learned by doing. Louis could have been either of our kids. He's a hard worker and has been raised right. I've been following this young man now for a while and I'm very sure he'll do what he says. Your help would start a storm of change and be a legacy to the future. Do what you can.
The most important of the two “Steve’s” even took care of Jobs kid while he was busy IGNORING her, overall great great guy. Much respect for this very humble man. Long live Wozniak and thanks for the video!
Edit: Almost forgot: Louis Rossman, ‘You The Man’!
I could listen to Steve Wozniak for hours. His life is SO interesting. He knows what is right and wrong in the Big Tech Industry and is the Co-founder of Big Tech before their main motivation was just money. People like him should be advising the government about the history and current and future laws and trends of Big Tech. Thank you, Steve Wozniak.
Woz, THANK YOU for the Apple ROM disassembly. SO many good programmers learnt 6502 from it!
If Apple had a heart, Steve W. would be that heart!
So it's been heartless for a long time
And Steve Jobs would be the brain.
That would explain the stupidity
@@atisbasak Steve Jobs would be the banknote counter
Thank You, that was very important for us and for Right to Repair. I hope your voice will be heard for CEO.
There is an interesting national security argument here, in that future generations need to be able to learn about electronics to protect our nation's engineering ability
especially since the government still uses old and outdated tech and computers.
There are millions of people all over the world, in jobs they only have because they’re the only people who know how to use the outdated tech in huge industries, that people are scared to replace, or unsure how.
Guys running “old tin” servers in their 60’s that have been installed since the early 90’s.
Jesus that really shouldn't be how it is
Not just the US, the whole world
Government and defense at times can represent a goldmine for legacy hardware and software. The circuit designs for many electronic controls have their roots in the 70's and 80's. Legacy circuit board assembly machinery used to build said hardware runs on MS DOS and is still used today. It assuredly represents a risk when the day comes that nobody knows how to repair this legacy machinery, or troubleshoot the old designs.
Wow! Can't explain how surprised I am. 👍
Thank you for the video, Mr. Wozniak.
Steve, always the teacher. I used to do that exact test with the tubes.
Steve Wozniak, the Luke Skywalker of computer wizards.
"Hey, is it your computer, or is it some companies computer?" Unfortunately Apple doesn't seem to share this idea. Their answer would be "OUR COMPUTER!"
*your ;)
Right; it becomes your doorstop when they don't want to stock parts, even batteries any more. Typing this on a 2011 Air they stopped even allowing in an Apple store back shop years ago. Self installed 3rd party battery...mostly still going strong.
Even your Data is theirs, you must use their products to access it ,and once you lose your password or damaged your products ,their genius employees will steal your photos ,videos and contacts
Alright, so where's my share of "OUR PROFIT"?
There used to be joke that IE6 is used to browse internet from your PC and vice versa. Today, this is sad standard. I think it was HP that had slogan "make PC personal again". Sad, it never happened.
Thank you, Mr Woz
I remember talking about the ARPANET for a school project back in the 90's. Truly inspiring message with a fantastic story. I have built so many things open source; ECU's, 3d printers, port sniffers... I feel like a better person because of open source. Thank you for your contribution!
That silly ARPANET will go nowhere..
This is one of the guys who got myself involved in electronics.
My Child hood hero.
I was prepared for him to say “Hey all, Steve here”
Steve the Woz
Damn this Steve guy is talented. A lot of the history he’s talking about was when he was only in his 20’s.
Our tube tester was at the local SuperX drug store (long gone now). Used to ride on my bicycle with a bag of tubes down to the SuperX and find the bad tube, buy a new one and fix my grandmothers TV. Did all that when I was around 9 or 10. So yea almost anyone could fix a TV back then. Having Woz onboard is awesome!
Sixty years later most of the tubes still work, as long as the capacitors aren't leaking. That era of electronics, serviced today, definately discourages see-hot-replace-hot in favor of see-hot-ponder-why. It's like that first FET in an iPhone: it's an indicator, not the primary fault. The rectifier tube before a bad smoothing cap is what Jessa would call the thinnest wire.
@@tactileslut On any given day a bad/leaky capacitor is a good bet. My most recent TV repair was my own plasma TV circa 2008. Poly caps on the D-Sus rail (about 300VDC) spit out their guts all over the place. There's a surprising amount of metal in those lol. But yeah if something is hot, that doesn't mean replace it. Heck in that old tube TV almost everything is hot, would be interesting to watch the see-hot-replace-hot crowd have a go at that.
Yeah, we are about the same age then. Grandad would inspect TV tubes, and put them in the big tester at the drug store ... just buy a new one. Now the battery in i-Things is hard coded, and glued in such a way a mere user cannot swap it out.
Like Tron: Fight for The Users.
the tube story is the most amazing thing, i know about the tubes, had them in guitar amps. I never knew there were boards in shops to test them. that is such a cool lost bit of technical history. -i wonder if any boards still exist, maybe in collections
@@varsityathlete9927 Yup, these things were in hardware and drug stores: i.pinimg.com/736x/ff/f8/34/fff834dad2b0b9dbdbc8d1e0cab006d0.jpg
Hi Steve I am an old man. Remember RADIO SHACK. HEATHKIT? NOT ONLY SCHEMATICS WERE AVAILABLE. BUT TROUBLESHHOTING HANDBOOK AND SPARE PARTS TOO. WE HAVE TO BRING BACK "GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE" TKS FOR JOINING YOUR VOICE TO RIGHT TO REPAIR
I actually remember as a child growing up, the little corner of our local grocery store which had a tube tester. You could test your own tubes and if it was faulty, you could purchase a replacement! My parents always preferred to call the local repairman instead, in case there were other issues. Thankyou, Steve for reminding me of that. ..... another pleasant memory from my childhood which seems to be gone forever.....
I really wish Wozniak ran Apple, or more of his philosophies were a part of Apple's current business model. Currently I just can't buy any Apple product, as I understand that it's designed to escentially be disposed of within 3-5 years. As someone who's used to upgrading his PC with new parts instead of just buying a new one, this really irks me.
Wozniak is all about elevating masses. Current Apple is all about coming down to their level.
IDK if this is true now... I am STILL using a 2011 macbook pro without any issues.. just facetimed my gramma on her iPhone 12! Try using a PC from 2011, it would not feel as usable! "designed to be disposed of" - its more like "designed to be repaired differently" with newer units at this point. 2012 MacBook pros have HDD cable issues, 2019 MacBook pros have ISL chip issues.
Actually, apple products get more support for longer than android products, maybe on the desktop pc side you're right, but not on the smartphone and tablet side, for macbooks, i'd say they're about the same as windows laptops, maybe not the M1 macbooks, those are definitely more closed.
@@somesituation That's not true. My mom still uses her 10 year old 4core sandy bridge windows laptop, no discrete graphics. I only changed hdd for SSD, and it's still extremely usable. macbooks are still usable because they don't have lowest tier of hardware. They hopped on SSD early. In comparison, huge quantities of windows devices use cheapest and slowest components, that were barely usable even at the time of purchase?
And we are now also at the point where PCs are fast enough for majority of people. 1TB of storage, 16GB of RAM has been a standard for half a decade now for a reason. And average person will not notice 10 or 20% faster CPU. You saying 10 year old Mac is working without issues is not that impressive in this context.
I think he is an amazing engineer and would have been good to have more of his ideology around. The other side is making things have a good user experience and interface and be easy to use. You need a balance. Now its just a corporate machine that needs to crank out new devices every year. I think Steve Jobs originally argued for a closed system so there could be tight integration, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be accessible and repairable.
Integrity has kept this man youthful.
One hundred years from now, millions of people will be watching this
If UA-cam does not delete it 😂.
Nasa said they lost the tapes and technology of the moon landing 😂
See you in 100yrs 😇
I was searching for a proof that the world would be better if companies were run by engineers instead of accountants. I think this video is the proof of that
Accountants can destroy ANYTHING
Accountants and lawyers, bunch of blood sucking leeches.
I was all set to be irate at this but instead I have become a fan of Steve Wozniak. God bless you Grandpa Wiggum!
Thank you Steve!
It's great to hear you speak about Right to repair.
Apple: "right to repair? are you trying to kill me?!"
Wow “THE REAL” Steve Wasniak!
With a “REAL” Message!
Thanks Steve.
I agree with "Woz." I'm an old guy and remember building a lot of my own electronic equipment. Such tinkering led to my engineering degree years later. I found this channel through "happenstance" and have just subscribed. Thank you.
This is exactly how improvement comes about: it's about neatly defined intermediate layers that allow people to build on top of, maintain and update what's already there.
Every word is golden!
My obsession with
electronics started in
my childhood taking apart
then later fixing things.
The reason I became
engineer.
This man was responsible for creating the *_US Festival_* in '82 & '83!
Thanks Woz, for your always forward-thinking mentality, and always... with the masses in mind!
AFAIC, Woz is the real hero behind Apple's rise. The other guy, essentially just a salesman, gets way too much credit.
dunno bout "hero", but he certainly was the soul of apple
You need both - you need the genius with creating the product and you also need the genius to package it and make it feasible for general consumption.
Plenty of companies had one or the other - Apple excelled because it benefited from both Steves. People who downplay the role of either are grossly ignorant.
In the 80's, Jobs was on the cover of all the business magazines. Woz was on the cover of all the computer magazines. I'd guess that Woz's mug sold a lot more magazines than Jobs did because Woz had the more hard-core loyal following back then. That's when computer magazines covered actual science and engineering and did interviews with the people who were doing the actual innovation. Now, it's all just stories about the newest piece of hardware or software, and you have no idea of the people behind the scenes doing the actual work.
@@UnCoolDad Engineers doing sales can be awkward. Salespersons doing engineering just can’t be.
@@UnCoolDad Without product, what do you sell?
The Legend himself. I love how he’s about “knowledge’ over profit. A true pioneer 😊
Before I played this video I already knew what his attitude was going to be towards the right to repair. Good for Steve.
Best thing I've seen on UA-cam for a long time.
We NEED the Right to Repair!
I guess you have the right not to buy
@@justayoutuber1906 Apple fanboi. Nice.
I could genuinely listen to Woz talk for hours and hours and hours.
This guy and Adam savage could build anything.
It is great to have Steve Wozniak on our side.
Here from Louis' channel. I've always had respect for Woz. But him coming out and talking about right to repair, and explaining why this is not a new thing, works. Thank you
His book i Woz is great. and the principles here are spot on. The motivation to solve a technical problem is the sheer joy of figuring out logical techniques which achieve your purpose. It's like unlocking a secret door in the universe. A whole new class of creators can arise from the right to repair.
When the Legend Himself speaks, many ears must listen.
Please help out Louis and everyone in the Right To Repair movement.