Simple It’s important to remember that Lucifer had challenged the fairness of God’s government. He had told lies about God. The idea of telling a lie had never entered the minds of the angels. Naturally they didn’t grasp all that lay behind Lucifer’s deceptions. If God had destroyed Satan immediately, the angels would have begun to serve Him from fear rather than from love. This would have defeated the very purpose He had in creating beings with the power of choice in the first place. How did anyone really know God’s way was best? No one had dared to try an alternative. God gave Satan a chance to demonstrate his alternative system. That’s why he was given an opportunity to make his pitch to Adam and Eve. This planet has become a testing ground where the character of Satan and the nature of his kingdom are contrasted with the character of God and the nature of His kingdom. Who is right? Who can we ultimately trust? These are the issues which “the great controversy between Christ and Satan” must resolve. Satan's deceptions So deceptive was Lucifer, that before all the universe could be fully convinced, the nature of his alternative had to be fully exposed. It has taken time for everyone to really grasp how disastrous Satan’s alternative actually is. But eventually everyone will see that “the wages of sin is death” and that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). Every being in the entire universe will then agree with the declaration: “‘Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.’” -Revelation 15:3, 4. Conclusion: God's perfect plan After everyone understands the deadly nature of sin and the destructive nature of Satan’s philosophy, God can destroy Satan and sin. He will also have to destroy those who stubbornly resist His grace and cling to Satan’s alternative. God is just as anxious to resolve the problem of sin and suffering as we are to have Him do so. But He is waiting until He can do it on a permanent basis, and until He can both preserve our free will and prevent evil from ever appearing again.
Or God and the devil are not very different as they are brothers of the same creation. One destined to rule the underworld and the other destined to rule the heavens. If they are the yin-yang then they are essential for each other existence.
@@kingdred2963None can escape judgement and so evil will meet its ultimate demise, thus enabling the restoring of an equilibrium. As for once all that contradicts God has been abolished - we can expect eternal life with him in paradise, although the concept of that if in the event of another angel or human decides to rebel - that would only be known to The Father as he is omniscient.
Personally I think there needs to be balance. Without balance there's chaos which is why I think the world has ended up the way it has, too many corrupt and evil people calling the shots and not enough genuinely good hearted people.
That is why Jesus calls every being to repent & trust in him, but we are afraid of judgement and others are too in love with their sin or deceived by the Evil One.
@@Huh-l9e - And besides from a book filled with false history, contrived characters and creatures, impossible physics, false science, failed prophecies and mythology ripped off from other cultures and previous religions......Just how do you know? Not believe, but actual fact-based scientific proof and replicability. No matter your enthusiastic claims, they are no more than vacuous assertions.
@@brunoteixeira4948 i think he can be those things and still let an individual being make his own decisions and decide between good or bad, deed or sin.
@@brunoteixeira4948 thats pretty deep and Ive thought about that before when I was younger but now I have read up a bit more on the subject and Im under the impression that he lets humans manifest their own destiny. For example when humans crucified jesus christ, he let them impose their will and let it be. He is forever remembered as someone who gave his life to show us what godly living looks like. He died for our sins they say.
@@Soldier_Sean he didn't let. He already knew he would be crucified. That's the problem of the concept of a "All-knowing Being". If he knows everything, and he creates everything, then there's no choice. You might think you have, but you really don't.
If evil is necessary, then why condemn a soul to an eternal burn for such a finite decision ? It doesn't feel like freedom if you're under such a threat.
But you do have freedom, though. Just because your choice comes with punishment or reward doesn't mean you don't have free will. Example: if you are struggling to get by, you could either rob someone or work more overtime or maybe another job temporarily. The choice is yours but one will end with punishment.
God allows Satan to exist because; Mark 16:15 "And G2532 he said G2036 unto them, G846 Go ye G4198 into G1519 all G537 the world, G2889 and preach G2784 the gospel G2098 to every G3956 creature G2937."(numbers Strong's translations) Keeping in mind this says "creature" (G2937) not "human" (G444) that includes the fallen angels (Demons), Our Father would not that anyone should parish. Even Satan and his followers are given the chance to repent. Although it's prophecied "Satan" would be thrown into the "Lake of Fire" Satan is not his given name but a title or office anyone can hold. As too burning in torture for eternity that's a sick twisted priest concept not God's. The terms used inferring the fire burning eternally not the torture goes on eternally. If you ask the question of the video then you must ask; "Why does Jesus allow physical Death when He took the Keys of Death and Hell from the twin sister entities She'ol and Muth (godesses Death and Hell/Grave)? They are mentioned by name to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. They are also the fourth/fifth "Horsemen" of the Apocalypse (Two riders on one horse).
Well superman does eventually but then we get Bat Vs Sup and so on... but we also then later get another version saying basically Joker wasn't a person he will always exist or so the story goes.
What scares me the most about the fall of Lucifer is how pride took over mind. Where does pride come from and how does it even enter heaven? Does that further suggest there’s something else beyond the realm of heaven? Cause if heaven is supposed to be this place of everlasting worship and praise, wouldn’t that contradict the fall of Lucifer ?
That's a profound question and one I'm not sure I have a precise answer to, but I will say that the word of God is something we can trust, and in it he says there will be no sorrow or pain in heaven, only eternal praise and worship of God. I take this to mean that there is something about humans that is different from angels in that once we have passed through this life and be reborn into heaven, that we will no longer be capable of or desiring of making any decisions that do not perfectly align with God's will. The angels in Heaven apparently did have a choice to rebel at one point... something they were given that humans will not be given.
It is the Everlasting place of worship and praise for humans for us😊😅😮😢 this question implies you to worry about other places a world that don't concern you. Because honestly whether there are more or this is the only one the only thing that matters is what goes on here because that's where you exist, as in human, not you specifically but as a humanity
@@miguelatkinson It’s because Satan has challenged God’s Authority. If God simply wiped him out the question will come up again. Time is proving God right however… Just look at the world we live in… Corruption everywhere. Humans decide either to obey God or to do what’s right in their own eyes based on whatever they think is good or bad. Think of the reason why two countries go to war. Does one side believe it’s doing something evil? Never! Did H!tl3r think he was evil? Nope…
@@miguelatkinson how much explaining does a farmer give to his crops? * But just for kicks, yeah let's look at it this way.... suppose there is a person who will invent a cure for cancer, but one of the reasons they will do this is their mother will die a horrible death from a terrible cancer. This will motivate the researcher to find the cure to save the lives of millions of other people. Taking away the mom's cancer means daughter never gets the motivation to find the cure that saves millions. * A less theoretical explanation would be how people have suffered from scarcity and want throughout history, even down to today. In response, many people have invented fantastic machines, medicines, agricultural processes, etc to help provide abundance and reduce suffering. This process continues today. The suffering produces perseverance, perseverance produces character, and character produces hope that we can do something today that makes a difference in the life of others tomorrow.
@@sidwhiting665 waiting for some supposed answer to come in some ominous time that may or may not come is an co-opt to very relevant answer regarding the supposed omniscience or omnipotentence of god
I'm not a believer, but I am a huge fan of history and mythology, and this is a channel I have recommended numerous times to anyone wanting to know about these things. Excellent work! Keep it up, there's always more to uncover!
Simple It’s important to remember that Lucifer had challenged the fairness of God’s government. He had told lies about God. The idea of telling a lie had never entered the minds of the angels. Naturally they didn’t grasp all that lay behind Lucifer’s deceptions. If God had destroyed Satan immediately, the angels would have begun to serve Him from fear rather than from love. This would have defeated the very purpose He had in creating beings with the power of choice in the first place. How did anyone really know God’s way was best? No one had dared to try an alternative. God gave Satan a chance to demonstrate his alternative system. That’s why he was given an opportunity to make his pitch to Adam and Eve. This planet has become a testing ground where the character of Satan and the nature of his kingdom are contrasted with the character of God and the nature of His kingdom. Who is right? Who can we ultimately trust? These are the issues which “the great controversy between Christ and Satan” must resolve. Satan's deceptions So deceptive was Lucifer, that before all the universe could be fully convinced, the nature of his alternative had to be fully exposed. It has taken time for everyone to really grasp how disastrous Satan’s alternative actually is. But eventually everyone will see that “the wages of sin is death” and that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). Every being in the entire universe will then agree with the declaration: “‘Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.’” -Revelation 15:3, 4. Conclusion: God's perfect plan After everyone understands the deadly nature of sin and the destructive nature of Satan’s philosophy, God can destroy Satan and sin. He will also have to destroy those who stubbornly resist His grace and cling to Satan’s alternative. God is just as anxious to resolve the problem of sin and suffering as we are to have Him do so. But He is waiting until He can do it on a permanent basis, and until He can both preserve our free will and prevent evil from ever appearing again.
Why should we suffer evil, just so God can prove he is right? Answer me! God is waiting until he can do something? Since when did an omnipotent being not be able to do something? Where is your logic? How can we have free will if God already knows what we will do?
@@My_Lacrimosa first it’s not god Second lusifer is on this very earth Third god is letting lusifer using all his battle cards so that God in the end gives the final blow This seems like one of the most commonly asked questions in life, right? And it’s straightforward and simple. But more often than not, we don’t get a straightforward answer to this seemingly simple question, and not getting all the answers can definitely test our faith. When bad things happen, we might sometimes wonder where God is. If He’s really there. If He could have prevented it. If He could have sent a miracle. We know He is all-powerful. We know He is in control. We know He wants what’s best for us. But there continue to be horrific tragedies and pain and suffering throughout the world. And we continue to face temptation, sorrow, and a multitude of trials within our own lives. Sometimes we just want to know why. What’s the purpose of all this suffering? Why does He allow bad things to happen? Unfortunately, we might not always know the reason “why.” But we can always draw faith and strength from remembering the things we do know. We Have Agency One vital part of the plan of salvation is that every single being who has ever lived on the face of this earth was given agency-we are able to choose for ourselves, and consequences, both good and bad, stem from those choices. Heavenly Father knows that choice and accountability for those choices are both necessary for our spiritual growth. Because He knows this and loves us, He doesn’t usually interfere with the consequences of our choices. If He forced us to make the right decisions, it would be impossible for us to grow and reach our divine potential. It would be impossible to live by faith in Him and His plan for our happiness. Because of the beautiful gift of agency, people make their own choices, both good and bad. Many good things have happened in the world because of agency, but many terrible things have come about as well. In those bad moments when the wrong choices of others cause you pain, remember what President Dallin H. Oaks, First Counselor in the First Presidency, taught: “God rarely infringes on the agency of any of His children by intervening against some for the relief of others. But He does ease the burdens of our afflictions and strengthen us to bear them. … He does not prevent all disasters, but He does answer our prayers to turn them aside. … “Through all mortal opposition, we have God’s assurance that He will ‘consecrate [our] afflictions for [our] gain’ (2 Nephi 2:2)” (“Opposition in All Things,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2016, 117). Trials Are Empowering Have you ever gone through something difficult and that experience allowed you to empathize with friends or even strangers who were facing a similar challenge? Or have you seen others experience sorrow from difficult circumstances and turn their pain into a moving, empowering cause? The trials we face allow us to develop compassion for others and can inspire us to make a difference in the world, in big and small ways. They enable us to truly be “willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light” (Mosiah 18:8). Think of times when natural disasters or horrific accidents occurred in the world. Remember how many people you saw on social media, on the news, or even in your own community who stepped up to raise money, donate necessities, and provide any bit of service they could to those in need? Sometimes when bad things happen, they empower us to act and serve. Even the Savior, our example, suffered infirmities, “that his bowels may be filled with mercy” and so that He could know “how to succor his people” (Alma 7:12). Trials can open our eyes to those who are suffering. They can enable us to show others genuine compassion and love. They can refine us to be more charitable, empathetic, and influential humans. They can instill in us a powerful need to serve. The Savior’s Arms Are Open When bad things happen, when you’re facing heavy challenges, when you don’t understand all the reasons behind your struggles, here is one thing to always remember: No matter what trial you’re facing, when you’re feeling lost, alone, defeated, or broken, the Savior’s arms are open to receive you. Maybe one reason for the tragedies and difficulties in our lives is so we can use our agency and faith to rely on and see the infinite power of Jesus Christ in our lives. Doing so allows us to better understand Him. To build our relationship with Him. To become more like Him. To fully comprehend that He truly did sacrifice everything He had for all of us. Yes, life can be hard. Really hard. But when life knocks you down and you still manage to use your last drop of energy to turn to the Savior, you will see that He is always there, and He will always come to your rescue. Because He knows exactly what you’re going through. He’s felt it all before. Jesus Christ’s Atonement included suffering of all forms-mental, physical, and spiritual. Everything. He understands. He will not abandon you. Remember: Heavenly Father Is in Control So, when you are struggling to find the answer to the question, “Why did God allow this to happen?” try asking Him to help you understand through sincere prayer. Even though He might not be able to give you the full answer yet, He can help you find comfort and gradual understanding. Take a moment to think about what you’ve learned because of bad things that have happened. There’s no doubt you will recognize those moments when you were able to sincerely understand someone else’s sorrow because of something you once faced, those moments of tragedy that motivated you to serve others, those moments when the Savior carried you, and those moments when you fully realized that Heavenly Father is aware of you and will always be there to guide you. Your answers are there. Heavenly Father is in control. He has a plan for each of us, and “in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things” (Doctrine and Covenants 101:32). Despite what difficulties and challenges may come, despite some lingering questions we may have in this life, we can move forward with faith and peace, knowing that one day we will understand everything. One day, we will be able to look back at everything we had to overcome in gratitude because it helped us become exactly who we were destined to be.
So we are just collateral damage in some kind of interdimensional intergalactic conflict? So some of us who have endured hell and pain our whole lives will still perish in the end? So whats the point??
Is God self aware just I am self aware of myself???is he an individual consciousness?? That all I want to know, because the trinity confuses me a little bit
God is love. And love is its purest essence is a choice, and a delight. A choice that must be made. It is not something anyone must feel compelled to do. Love (towards God or anyone) cannot genuinely exist if there is no choice. That includes the choice to walk out on somebody, even in the case of God. Conversely, evil and rebellion, by definition, is also a choice, an act of the will. And because God is also holy, evil cannot escape its consequences and eventual punishment. For hellfire at the final judgement to be justified, it must be a consequence of one's decision. One cannot say he/she is forced to do evil, without ultimately agreeing to do so. In that day, no one can say God is unfair. You are either rewarded or condemned eternally by your own decisions.
The Christian god is not loving. He is the most abusive boyfriend character known to man. How can a god who is said to be loving, actually be loving when if you dont reciprocate that love he punishes you by having you burn eternally? Imagine if I had a girlfriend, and she said that she loved me, but if I didn’t love her back she was going to break into my house and dislocate my shoulder, waterboard me, and then break my feet...that's abusive right? So how is it any different then god burning you eternally, for ever. Billions upon trillions of years, no escape. How is that love? Seriously. Who extorts love for themselves under threat of eternal suffering? And of course he never takes responsibility for his shitty actions and pulls the "Look what you made me do!" line as an excuse for wiping out 99.9% of all land life on Earth. Christians just assumes God is loving but what if He is a mean, sadistic SOB? Look at this World. Even animals in order to survive must kill and cause another animal to suffer by being eaten. What kind of psychopath creates such a World? A pure loving God? I don't think so. It is very disturbing what or who created this place. It is full of misery. Can you imagine if we lived in a society in which we truly acted like the Christian version of a god? How many parents here would drag their kid into to the backyard and throw them on the grill if they said "I hate you"??? “”The good thing about North Korea is that you can die. In hell or heaven there is no respite.”” -Christopher hitches-
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The very fact that you knew nothing of God or Satan when you were born here and yet you still chose to do good and be a good person of your own free will is more valuable to God than almost anything.
@@surutaeyaisutsu9904 It is pointless rebuttal to simply place words in your opponent’s mouth, is it not? Children are not born good, that’s a simple fact. Gratitude, a near requirement for happiness, is not inherent to children and must be learned.
@@SunniMerlot Set in stone for Him, but not for us because we do not know beforehand what will happen. We still have free will. You could in a way say that our actions and God's foreknowledge of them happen at the "same time" (time being a concept that only exists here in the material universe, in the spiritual world there is only cause and effect ), but it is still OUR actions performed via OUR free will that determine the outcome (and God's foreknowledge of it). One truth (God's foreknowledge) does not invalidate the other (that we have free will): for us creatures the choices are very real and have very real consequences.
In the 3rd century BC, the philosopher Epicurus asked: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Virtue can not exist without Sin, Sin can not exist without Virtue. No matter what, with free will you will always have two options. Light or darkness. Heaven or hell. Jesus or Satan. A constant battle between two the two sides, you must choose what side you will take and in term decide your destiny.
You are correct his name does mean "accuser" AKA the simole to that being a "test" , he does "accuse" which is a way of testing. He did it to Job as well as to Christ, but you notice he never actually lied, he may not actually tell you all the information you want, but he never actually straight up lies.
Except Lucy did lie on the account of the angles that he want to take God throne and be “ like God “ even this he was weak compare to The Father of All!
Yeah that wasn't him lying that was just him being prideful which was and still is his only sin other than open rebellion towards God. He actually never said he was like God he said he wanted to be above God, he never actually said he was above or equal to God, Lucifer saying he wants to be above or equal to God is not the same thing as saying he is equal to or above God. However nice try.
This belies the fact that God is in fact a moral and loving superior being. To create a conundrum that God is fair or moral at all. What then is the purpose of being moral and loving if the creator is not moral or loving.
There’s are a couple problems with this. First, if God is all powerful, then EVERYTHING he does is optional by definition. All these claims of trials and lessons don’t HAVE to occur with an all powerful being, since he could simply give us the information automatically without the need to be able to cause such horrific evil in the world. That must mean that God WANTS people to suffer and evil to occur. Second, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say free will exists. Sure, it often mentions the importance of making the right choices…but that doesn’t mean anything if God is actually the one making our decisions for us, does it? So what does the Bible say about who REALLY decides what actions we take? Well… Proverbs 16:4 says, “The Lord works out EVERYTHING to its proper end-even the wicked for the day of disaster.” It doesn’t say that God determines SOME things, it says he determines “EVERYTHING,” including what the wicked do. Ephesians 1:11 says, “In him we were also chosen, having been PREDESTINED according to the plan of him who works out EVERYTHING in conformity with the purpose of his will.” So again, God plans and predestines everything. The Bible also says that God doesn’t even allow random chance to affect his plan: Proverbs 16:33: “The dice are thrown, but the Lord determines EVERY outcome.” It’s not actually random if God decides what the result will be, is it? To make matters worse, the Bible emphasizes that not only does God control us even if we might otherwise be inclined to do something different, but he even controls every step we take! Proverbs 16:9 “In their hearts HUMANS PLAN their course, but the LORD ESTABLISHES their steps.” Jeremiah 10:23 “Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is NOT for them to DIRECT THEIR STEPS.” Proverbs 20:24 “A person’s steps are DIRECTED by the LORD. How then can anyone understand their own way?” These are just a handful of examples, but there are literally DOZENS MORE passages reinforcing the claim that God determines EVERYTHING we do, including our very steps. So either the Bible is lying about God planning everything, and thus it cannot be trusted to tell you the truth…or God determines every decision we make, HE is 100% responsible for EVERY evil action, and free will is only an illusion. Either conclusion undermines the very foundation of Christianity. Heads you lose, tails you lose.
I just wished salvation was easier. For us humans, it seems like the devil has advantage over us. Because you can’t be saved by just saying” I wanna follow Christ” we are stuck on earth and we must live like Christ and not sin. It’s literally impossible. So people are saved by Grace. But still it’s hard for us.
Ask God for the Holy Spirit. Be sincere when you pray, explain your faults and ask for guidance to change. It actually is possible to be free from sin, but that's not just what salvation is. Salvation is KNOWING Jesus Christ for real and living in submission to the Holy Spirit
But why did God create Lucifer when He knew what would eventually happen, and the chaos he would create in combination with possibly leading many of God’s children to perishing/eternal torment, depending on the doctrine one believes.
@@SpectrallAdam But God’s will is for everyone to be with him and for none to perish, the devil is the one who’s threatening this with his desires. The only logical conclusion I, with my limited understanding, can draw is that none will really perish, because it’s God’s will for such a thing to not happen, and what God wills - happens.
@@Soul-vj1mg Even easier solution - god doesn't really give a shit about humans, you are talking ants to him. Add to that all the shit that has been done in his name i.e. all the crimes done by the religion in gods name - yeah god/Satan really fucking hates humanity.
I'm an atheist but there is a line in the movie Batman vs Superman where Lex Luther says "if God is all powerful, He cannot be all good. And if He's all good then He cannot be all powerful". (Idk where the original quote derived from) but it really stuck with me
The answer to the existence of Evi & Lucifer is quite simple. It's a test to demonstrate our faith & trust in our creator. And not everyone will pass this test. But those of us who do will certainly live to fight again. And that's real all there is to it. 😎🧡👍
Lucifer was the top angel during the creation of angels (which was before the universe). His pride is what led him to think he was better than God after God created man and dictated they, the angels, were to serve man, who was made in God's image. From that day, sin found a home in Lucifer's heart and being. He then turned his anger and dissatisfaction upon man to pervert and destroy what God had made. Starting with the heavenly rebellion (angelic beings) and in the Garden of Eden (man beings).
I can only say it's beyond my understanding because God could have just created a world of free will that is without the possibility of evil. If He is omnipotent, then it is true. But here we are....
This was one of my biggest questions to religion. It's like humans are just little Chess pieces for God and Satan to play with. There are a bunch of religions out there, which one is the right one?
In the story of Adam and Eve we are told that they are in Paradise. But actually, they are not in Paradise. A place where there lives an evil enemy out to kill you at all times is more accurately described as a "War Zone". If I have to always be on my guard, always looking over my shoulder, knowing that and attack can take place at any time that is the life of soldier in the middle of a war. How can I feel peaceful under a constant threat! I am not so sure that Adam and Eve truly understood the peril they were under. It's not fun having to play the role of "Damsel in Distress" all the time. It is good to know God is there to save us. But still living under a constant threat is stressful. Heaven is described as a place where there is no Devil, and there is no evil!!! That sounds a lot better!!!!
Sweetly understand what you're saying and also to the point where if we were all just do what is required and requested of us and if we stopped doing evil not you and me in particular but those that are doing evil whenever they do evil then we would have sent really live in a world where there is no evil😊😅😮😢
As a storyteller that loves to write and read up on such fairy tales and mythology I really love your work as well as other similar UA-camrs. Keep it up. The bible is very interesting and the books it is connected to outside itself hold even more narrative mystery.
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Now here is a thought: since god would be all powerful and all knowing he would also be responsible for every choice made by his creations simply because he already knows the future and every choice that will ever be made. Therefore free will is simply an illusion as god already knows what choices will be made and how everything will play out. This all evil would be the work and will of god the all knowing creator and controller of the universe. Or on the other side we can say that this all knowing all powerful being doesn’t actually exist in the first place.
@@CattusTheDevourerthere is no god. And the dude is right. God is responsible. And should be held accountable instead of sucked off like some weird love hate slave master relationship. No judging over here, whatever kink you're into. But just saying, the whole God thing is really making it weird since dudes like billions of years old and compared to God we'd be kids
This question was always boggling me even when I was 5 years old. The church always thought that I'm too deep for a child due to other questions l ask. haha
I have lots of questions. One of them being if He is omniscient why did He create Lucifer in the first place?. As a father I do everything possible to protect my children. So why would a divine father place his children in a place where an evil/opposing force can harm or influence them? Why do babies get molested? Why is there suffering? What parent would sit and watch their children suffer? Would any of you sit and allow your baby to lay in a dirty diaper and be hungry? Would you create something that can manipulate your child to do bad? I could go on and on with these questions that I've always had but was always told not to question. Well how do I get answers 🤔
Nothing wrong with asking questions. If a church or believer turns you away because of questions, then they are uninformed and fearful of seeking answers to questions that are deep.
10/10!!! Thanks very much again. Brilliant channel; and I don't say that lightly. This is THE BEST presentation on this, THE MOST PERTINENT of questions of human existence and I praise you very highly for your compilation of points.
STORY TIME: Chronicles of the Havens: by Aroyal. The true reason why God allowed evil to exist was because, God wanted to know what Evil is and how it look like. Pretty much what the opposite of him looks like. See, in the beginning ALL was GOOD and LOVE. Nobody knew what the opposite of Goodness and LOVE was. So the question came about by the sons of God (Angels) how do God know if Good and Love is the ONLY way of doing things? So God crafted up a plan to create challenges for himself using his children and his creations. The various challenges was to help him enhance his wisdom as a father and to know the true meaning of what a father’s unconditional/agape Love is. Which is a skill he desired to have and pass down to All of his children. Although it may now seem like his plan did not work out too well, that is not the case. Before he carried out his plans, he told all of his children and creations what he was going to do and he told them to trust that he is in control because he will be controlling the narrative but they will be giving the FREE WILL to make their own decisions/choices. That no matter how wicked or evil they would become he will never stop loving them because he knew their true character in the beginning and he know who they are no matter how the world or others sees or depicts them. He just wanted to see the opposite of their good character if it was tested under certain conditions, And that in the end everything will work out and everyone will be happy reassuring he would preserve their good character. He didn’t tell them how he was going to do it. However, he told them that everything that they were going to experience will be a test and once everyone (him, his wife and his children) reached their fullness on opposite sides good & evil he will restore all things like new. That how I remembered it in my data base. Trust me when I say this no one will be left behind. And even if Evil have to exist for all eternity it will be used as a test for more knowledge and understanding so we can alway appreciate GOOD and LOVE.
@@Mr.Rabot6688 There are many aspects, positions, titles and characteristics to God. Yes, he is All Everything and he wears many hats. However, he didn’t just become that magically or Automatically. If you got something such as a skill, talent, or a hight position automatically and didn’t do the necessary work to acquire it, when you loose that skill, talent, or position, you will not know how to get it back until you do the work. Another example, let say you were born a great musician. You and everyone know that is your destiny, because everyone can see your gifts. However, in order to become a Great Musician where everyone can know your name, you had to put in the work. You had to work on your craft, practice day and night to be a master of your music. In the same manner, God had to put in the work for his name to be know throughout the whole Universe. Yes, He is the one and only God but his name did not become know magically. No, he had to make his name be known through the challenges he faced from his own children and other false gods who challenged his sovereignty. One thing I respect about God our father is the fact that he want us to go through the process of becoming the persons we are all destined to be. He is not going to make us go through something that he himself have not gone through or experienced. That is how he is able to help us through our problems. That is the fatherly aspect of him. I think the world and Christianity have us thinking that God is this distance figured who is unapproachable, with no character and not relatable. That is far from the truth. He is our eternal father, his love surpasses even the love that our Earthly father has for us.
Because if he did that would mean free will doesn’t exist … because if he just killed him for not doing what he wanted then that means ur essentially a robot and can’t even “choose” to do anything
@@chriskirksey9891tell that to Adam and Eve. If wasn’t for Lucifer Adam and Eve would just follow gods rules which taken our free will away.god challenges us to make the right morally choice and is on us to figure our own path.
personally I believe the reason God doesn't destroy Satan is because he needs a villain and a person to place the blame on so he can serve as pure good
@@benclark4823 if you paid attention to the video, then you would have heard the bit from St. Augustine, wherein the saint explains that God created Lucifer, knowing that he would turn his back on Him and tempt humanity with sin, because temptation is necessary for anyone to meaningfully make an act of love and faith.
One big question i have about all of existence is this: if there is a GOD and he created everything, why did he create it with FLAWS? I mean, why do we have pain and suffering, sickness, disease, EVIL, people that talk in movie theaters....whats the point in creating something full of flaws? I mean, if it was me, if I was god who could create a universe and set it up however I wanted, I would create paradise. A place where no being ever has to experience physical or emotional pain.
Before I get started watching this video. I'm going to say God don't kill him so it will be worth it because u made it thought all the temptations, sin and everything else. It's like studying for a test and when you Ace it and pass, it makes it that much more worthwhile.
Is it free will if an omniscient presence already knows the outcome? The best comparison that i can think of is a videgame, while playing gta Trevor thinks that he is choosing to drive a certain direction but its really me making him do it. How can we have free will if the end is already determined and known?
I would disagree with that based on this experiment. * Lead me into a room with a bright light. I will see this thing shining, possibly hurting my eyes. When I ask what it is, you will answer "this is a light." I do not need to be lead into a dark room to understand what the light is. I can see it and see its effects on things. * The same is true of love. A person can do a loving act toward me that my soul reacts warmly to. I don't need someone to hit me in the face to know what love it.
I always wondered this why not just snap your fingers an just completely end the evil instead of having so much chaos and destruction continue to drag on!! 🤔🤔🤷🏾♂️🤯🤯🤯🤷🏾♂️🤔🤔
I answered that in a previous comment. The story of job described Satan's purpose. He is supposed to show man how to please God he works for God. He is the accuser. He stands on the left side of God in Jesus stands on the right side. The Bible speaks of these things. Clearly Satan has a role to play and that is to show man how to please God and that was the beginning of the fall and the war in heaven. Satan said to God why should I who you have made out of fire to bow down and serve man. The war in heaven was because Satan was made to serve man and teach us and he did not want to and that's why he was cast out of heaven and thrown into the garden of Eden. How do you think Satan got there? God put him there
and like whos all knowing , creates people , creates Lucifer who God psychologically abused by making it known others he created that they're less than others, and did heaven have a woodstalk year where you can sin in god glory and kingdom. God should be indicted. He is responsible for this and knew it was going to happen and did nothing to prevent it. Growing up religious and surviving religious Truma I asked this and gotten beat lol and when I did get answer it was "Free will" and replied "God doesn't give free will he gives an ultimatums
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Humans are higher than angels in the hierarchy of Creation. Look at it this way, angels are spirits, animals are corporeal, humans are both. We are the only created being made in God's likeness.
Thats so easy to answer! Multiple reasons, but they all kinda tie together. 1) We only learn through suffering. 2) you can only know whats good by going through the bad 3) testing to see what weve learned through our free will by the choices we make and morals we hold and actually uphold. Satan isnt against God. They are in cahoots. Think about it. If satan were truly against god, why would he punish those who go against God. In the original language, the "satan" is actually better translated as adversary. He is testing your loyalty and faith to God.
@Aravis YES!! EXACTLY THIS!! 😊 Your description is equivalent to placing the final piece in the puzzle to create the picture that was there the whole time yet couldn't be seen until that last piece was placed perfectly so to present the picture precisely. Your explanation is clear and exact.
Expect Satan doesn't mean "Tester" it means " The adversary" or "The Accuser" as in he's the great adversary to God and challenges him and his people. As well his other name meaning Accuser is he is someone who has done the greatest offense or something greatly bad which is him rebelling against God and committing the greatest crime of existence by creating sin and bringing wickedness to mankind.
@@davidmarrero9608ou are correct his name does mean "accuser" AKA the simole to that being a "test" , he does "accuse" which is a way of testing. He did it to Job as well as to Christ, but you notice he never actually lied, he may not actually tell you all the information you want, but he never actually straight up lies.
@@Michael-fb1rl Satan (Lucifer) tempts, God tests. There's a difference. Tempt is to derail through deceit to eventually destroy through eternal damnation, while Test is to purify and sanctify, or grow in goodness, leading to eternal life.
There will always be good and evil, God and the devil, live a good life, be nice, be kind and you will be rewarded in heaven, respect from Ireland 🇮🇪 to whoever reads my comment ❤️.
Satan says fuck that nonsense. Live the life YOU deserve, no matter if it is deemed right or wrong by others. And Hells gate awaits those who desire real power and glory. HAIL SATAN! 🤘
I am reminded of the riddle of why Eru created Melkor in Tolkien's universe, at one point saying that everything he tried to do would ultimately serve a higher purpose that was Eru's and Eru's alone. The angelic Ainur are manifestations of Eru's thoughts. But God has plenty of thoughts that are only appropriate for God: I am supreme, no one is my equal, others should worship me, I will create things that show how great I am (to who?), etc. So now there will be a delusional Ainur who thinks that they are God, guaranteed to not put up with being treated as a servant to a higher purpose. So anyone who acts like God is an asshole, but God is not a prideful, callous asshole making people exist and suffer just to hear how great He is because ... er ... well, that's the awkward part. If it's because He says so, that's what every megalomaniacal tyrant would say. If it's because you feel that He is - well, He created you to say how good He is, like a bad author who uses a character as a sock-puppet for their political opinions. When there's no one to argue with the sock-puppet. It really does crumble into mush with too much thought, so believers have to retreat to 'who knows?'
@@adamsee444 yet by throwing insults at someone else’s opinion and their thoughts about god shows you have no compassion for other living beings. Seems like people who say others are evil and want them to suffer because a person doesn’t believe the same as them is evil itself. Isn’t god about compassion, love, and caring?
Y'know, as much as I like the THEORY of this discussion, I am left with this question as an answer to the fundamental question of the video. Has anyone considered that the reason that god and the devil coexist is because neither exist? Does it not occur that belief in the sacred and profane are, in fact, the creation of humans looking for reasons for their own bad behavior?
Lots of thought has gone into this from the Dawn of History and the various schools of philosophy… much less religion. The Original Sin was laying the Blame, rather than taking Responsibility.
If neither exist then how do we know whats wrong and whats right. We were designed that way. We could not have come from nothingness come alive then return to nothingness once we die. If there is no afterlife then whats the point of living if your memories disappear once you die.
@@Deacide6980 Their is no right or wrong, everything is subjective. If I chop off one of your arms, that would make you less efficient when it comes to lifting stuff or doing regular activities would it not? So therefore that would be a negative for you compared to everyone else that has both arms hence me automatically knowing that was wrong since I made you less efficient than everyone else. That's pretty much how everything works in the world regarding right and wrong.
It is so much easier to shirk responsibility when the good things in your life are in a god's hands and when you do something bad, the devil made you do it.
We as humans are responsible and accountable for our sins. Same as the rebellious angels are for their sins. The question to you is if God doesn't exist, how did everything come into existence? Something cannot come from nothing. Therefore, if intelligent design (God) was the reason for everything existing, surely, Lucifer and the angels exist, too.
So what “force” influenced Lucifer to rebel and how is rebellion even possible in heaven? Does man kind have freewill in heaven? So it’s still possible to sin in heaven? This story makes less sense as you take the time to break it down.
If God can see the future, there must only be one future. How could free will exist in a deterministic world? If there was only one way things can end, what choice does anyone have?
@@rahelly1858 let’s build off of that if we can. But first, so that we aren’t talking past each other, can you give me your definition of freewill? Because that’s the one I’d like to use for the conversation. Second, can you give me a real world example of what a violation of freewill by God would actually look like? For example, if God intervened and stopped a priest from molesting a child, would that be a violation of the priest’s freewill? 3. Can you give me the chapter and verse where it explicitly says that God gives mankind freewill? Thanks
@@SPL0869 idk what the exact verse is but God does speak on us having freewill , we make our own choices weather your a good person or bad person is your choice weather you have desires to rape a child or not is your choice , weather we believe in God or not is a free will choice …. If he wanted he could of made us all believe in him but he doesn’t because he wants us to want to know him by ourselves and clearly angels have free will just like us because Lucifer is the example of having a free will by going against God even though he was in his present till he got kicked out by Angel Michael with the help of God due to his pride
So then, why does "God" punish those who don't follow him? If it's all about us having Free Will and our own agency to choose what to do, why does he punish us if we don't do what he wants us to do? How does that equal True Free Will? In order to have true free will, you can't have some omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent entity blackmailing you into submission 😂. That's not free will, that's manipulation & coercion.
@@bonn9730 That's not what the Bible says LOL. Not at all. And even if you were right, if this God is supposedly the one true God, why would he be jealous of other gods that supposedly don't even exist? And if he's going to punish you for not worshipping him, or for worshipping someone else, how is that Free Will? How is it Free Will when you're being threatened with punishment as a DIRECT form of behavioral manipulation and coercion by an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being? If a parent tells their child that they can take the chocolate from the table, but they're going to beat them afterward, the child is not going to take the chocolate. That's NOT Free Will. If you give the child true Freedom, with no threat of punishment for their choice, the child would take the chocolate and very happily eat it. THAT'S Free Will. The threat of punishment literally stifles the decision-making process. It's literally not free will.
@@bonn9730 What God did Jonah worship again? How about Job? Was Moses denied the promised land because he worshiped another God? How about the thousands of a children less than a year old who died in the flood, what did they do to deserve that? Or what about Cain; which God did he worship? Were Adam and Eve bast worshipers? Where did the Idea of other Gods even come from if their is only the one? God had a very personable relationship with his early creations. They would certainly know better than to lie about that wouldnt they?
He does one way is by allowing Satan’s permission to Test the character of his people. However, they have a mutual understanding and respect that Satan can not cross. What Satan works for he owns. What belongs to God belongs to God and he owns. God control the narrative because he is the Creator. He fairly controls who gets what.
@@divinelyguidedsouls9963 you’re an amateur. It is Lucifer that performs in that role - not Satan. Get it right buddy. Now scurry along, little thing, before something bigger comes along.
@divinelyguidedsouls9963 Yes you are Correct! My last face to face encounter with Satan we did speak on this. I was a chief angel in my past life we were brothers as all of the angels were.
Not so and yet, so. You are too general and broad in your comments to be useful. There is only one - so there's that. BUT the aspects of the one that are manifesting are distinct - they are not the same. That would be like saying to me that "A" is "B." No bruh, they are both letters - but A is distinct from B. Feel me?
Then you have a very selective view of 'the real' my friend. Satan is a household name. Millions speak with him daily. He is represented in every culture and every people. The list goes on and on. If you wanna say he isn't 'Real' because you can't sit and have tea and crumpets with him, then I suggest you get up in Sam Smiths DMz. He will change that view quicker than his gender at a MAGA rally.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. That sure is one way to se it, mayby God and satan are one and the same ;)
My take is that god is just a narcissist who uses evil just so he can masquerade as a good holy savior and he also uses evil as an excuse to kill countless of innocent beings good video 👍👍👍👍
@@britneybain8383 lie? Then prove my guilt give me the name of a story and tell me how God the good and holy helps people that don’t believe in him. And no you can’t give a story where he helps someone who worshiped him in any way.
By virtue of God being omniscient & omnipotent, means that we really don't have "free will". Nothing can happen w/o God's knowledge (as he's "all-knowing") nor w/o his blessing (aka "god's will" which his creations can't supersede). He already knew who we'd do, even before we were created. Saying we have free will puts God power into question. Either he has to allow suffering to happen because he doesn't have the knowledge and power to prevent it, or he can prevent suffering but wants ppl to worship him, in order to be spared. It's kind of like the conundrum of "golden age" Superman. He was so powerful, that it never made any sense as to how anything could threaten him. But DC comics remedied this by not only tonning down Supes's powers, but also giving him "weaknesses" (e.g. kryptonite, red sun radiation, & a vulnerability to magic).
Oh I know the answer to this one because He personally told me why. He said "I could do it myself but I wanted a human to do it and it has been done! Divine Wisdom at its best! Profound implications, lessons, benefits, etc. Thanks to The Creator and The Light! It is DONE!
Balance, there can be no good without evil, no hunger without food, no thirst without drink, etc. there has to be balance, without balance there is simply chaos
Evil is just a result of free will. Gods a genius. We just don't understand him because we're not on his level. But its all genius i guess ive come to understand his plan a little bit throughout my life
There's only one God, and Satan isn't but a fallen just like the other angels, do not get it confused, God is victorious and loves enough to give Satan a limit of freedom before his time is up, God is so good.
This is where the confusion continues to permeate : if before “humanity” was created it was only angels in heaven (without the tree of knowledge of good and evil) how did satan even become enticed to know / become evil ? It was something innately a part of him from the jump ? Somebody make it make sense
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That's a fact
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It’s important to remember that Lucifer had challenged the fairness of God’s government. He had told lies about God. The idea of telling a lie had never entered the minds of the angels. Naturally they didn’t grasp all that lay behind Lucifer’s deceptions.
If God had destroyed Satan immediately, the angels would have begun to serve Him from fear rather than from love. This would have defeated the very purpose He had in creating beings with the power of choice in the first place.
How did anyone really know God’s way was best? No one had dared to try an alternative. God gave Satan a chance to demonstrate his alternative system. That’s why he was given an opportunity to make his pitch to Adam and Eve. This planet has become a testing ground where the character of Satan and the nature of his kingdom are contrasted with the character of God and the nature of His kingdom. Who is right? Who can we ultimately trust? These are the issues which “the great controversy between Christ and Satan” must resolve.
Satan's deceptions
So deceptive was Lucifer, that before all the universe could be fully convinced, the nature of his alternative had to be fully exposed. It has taken time for everyone to really grasp how disastrous Satan’s alternative actually is. But eventually everyone will see that “the wages of sin is death” and that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Every being in the entire universe will then agree with the declaration:
“‘Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.’” -Revelation 15:3, 4.
Conclusion: God's perfect plan
After everyone understands the deadly nature of sin and the destructive nature of Satan’s philosophy, God can destroy Satan and sin. He will also have to destroy those who stubbornly resist His grace and cling to Satan’s alternative.
God is just as anxious to resolve the problem of sin and suffering as we are to have Him do so. But He is waiting until He can do it on a permanent basis, and until He can both preserve our free will and prevent evil from ever appearing again.
Or God and the devil are not very different as they are brothers of the same creation. One destined to rule the underworld and the other destined to rule the heavens. If they are the yin-yang then they are essential for each other existence.
@@mom5806 don't use the word God's government together again that is not good. It's not a government
I asked this in Catholic School once. Got sent to the Principal office for disrupting the class.
Same thing happened to me in 5th grade at Catholic grammar school.
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you’re asking the real questions, i respect you
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That’s TERRIBLE! Hopefully you don’t go to a Catholic Church anymore but instead to a real truth-seeking denomination.
“there must be a villain for every hero, a demon for every angel, a monster for every god”
Must parents could never kill there kids with the 3xception. No males on the planet we will not have heaven or hell only de lonely earth plane
Not true so once Satan is handled will there be a new enemy or will he escape judgment and keep the story going
@@kingdred2963 there is no “handling” of Satan as he works for The Lord, testing his greatest creations.
@@kingdred2963None can escape judgement and so evil will meet its ultimate demise, thus enabling the restoring of an equilibrium. As for once all that contradicts God has been abolished - we can expect eternal life with him in paradise, although the concept of that if in the event of another angel or human decides to rebel - that would only be known to The Father as he is omniscient.
God is the monster
Personally I think there needs to be balance. Without balance there's chaos which is why I think the world has ended up the way it has, too many corrupt and evil people calling the shots and not enough genuinely good hearted people.
The key here is that people are real and your point applies. Whereas God and Satan are entirely mythical.
@@douglasrasmussen480God & Satan aren’t “mythical” or fiction, they are very real.
That is why Jesus calls every being to repent & trust in him, but we are afraid of judgement and others are too in love with their sin or deceived by the Evil One.
@@Huh-l9e - And besides from a book filled with false history, contrived characters and creatures, impossible physics, false science, failed prophecies and mythology ripped off from other cultures and previous religions......Just how do you know? Not believe, but actual fact-based scientific proof and replicability. No matter your enthusiastic claims, they are no more than vacuous assertions.
@@Huh-l9e - Just more vacuous assertions without an iota of independent validation.
I have always asked myself this question and came to the same conclusion: God giving every being free will have disadvantages.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and the creator of all things and everyone, how free will even exists?
@@brunoteixeira4948 i think he can be those things and still let an individual being make his own decisions and decide between good or bad, deed or sin.
@@Soldier_Sean if he is all-knowing, he already knows what you will decide. You can even argue that he's making you to make that decision.
@@brunoteixeira4948 thats pretty deep and Ive thought about that before when I was younger but now I have read up a bit more on the subject and Im under the impression that he lets humans manifest their own destiny. For example when humans crucified jesus christ, he let them impose their will and let it be. He is forever remembered as someone who gave his life to show us what godly living looks like. He died for our sins they say.
@@Soldier_Sean he didn't let. He already knew he would be crucified. That's the problem of the concept of a "All-knowing Being". If he knows everything, and he creates everything, then there's no choice. You might think you have, but you really don't.
If evil is necessary, then why condemn a soul to an eternal burn for such a finite decision ? It doesn't feel like freedom if you're under such a threat.
But you do have freedom, though.
Just because your choice comes with punishment or reward doesn't mean you don't have free will.
Example: if you are struggling to get by, you could either rob someone or work more overtime or maybe another job temporarily. The choice is yours but one will end with punishment.
God allows Satan to exist because;
Mark 16:15 "And G2532 he said G2036 unto them, G846 Go ye G4198 into G1519 all G537 the world, G2889 and preach G2784 the gospel G2098 to every G3956 creature G2937."(numbers Strong's translations)
Keeping in mind this says "creature" (G2937) not "human" (G444) that includes the fallen angels (Demons), Our Father would not that anyone should parish. Even Satan and his followers are given the chance to repent. Although it's prophecied "Satan" would be thrown into the "Lake of Fire" Satan is not his given name but a title or office anyone can hold. As too burning in torture for eternity that's a sick twisted priest concept not God's. The terms used inferring the fire burning eternally not the torture goes on eternally.
If you ask the question of the video then you must ask; "Why does Jesus allow physical Death when He took the Keys of Death and Hell from the twin sister entities She'ol and Muth (godesses Death and Hell/Grave)? They are mentioned by name to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. They are also the fourth/fifth "Horsemen" of the Apocalypse (Two riders on one horse).
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Free will is your freedom. You make the decisions for your soul.
God is 100 percent waiting for you.
He does not abandon you.
You abandon Him.
Well said, I thought the same 😊
For the same reason Batman doesn’t just kill the Joker; it would end the story.
Well superman does eventually but then we get Bat Vs Sup and so on... but we also then later get another version saying basically Joker wasn't a person he will always exist or so the story goes.
This.
@@JoeHelenaMathijsVerstappen. Please 😭Jesus 😭Christ 😭come😭 amen 🙏🏻 😭
Except Jesus has conquered death in him we are free
It works the other way around too. Joker also cannot kill Batman. So in this comparison, who’s joker and who’s Batman? 🫠
What scares me the most about the fall of Lucifer is how pride took over mind. Where does pride come from and how does it even enter heaven? Does that further suggest there’s something else beyond the realm of heaven? Cause if heaven is supposed to be this place of everlasting worship and praise, wouldn’t that contradict the fall of Lucifer ?
That's a profound question and one I'm not sure I have a precise answer to, but I will say that the word of God is something we can trust, and in it he says there will be no sorrow or pain in heaven, only eternal praise and worship of God. I take this to mean that there is something about humans that is different from angels in that once we have passed through this life and be reborn into heaven, that we will no longer be capable of or desiring of making any decisions that do not perfectly align with God's will. The angels in Heaven apparently did have a choice to rebel at one point... something they were given that humans will not be given.
I ain't worshipping anybody ever, never mind "for eternity"
It is the Everlasting place of worship and praise for humans for us😊😅😮😢 this question implies you to worry about other places a world that don't concern you. Because honestly whether there are more or this is the only one the only thing that matters is what goes on here because that's where you exist, as in human, not you specifically but as a humanity
That’s interesting but no, God is the only righteous one, all others including angels are vulnerable to sin
I asked myself the same question.
It was explained in a parable. The gist was that we must wait to see how everything grows together and separate at harvest time.
This doesn't give much of an explanation
harvest the crops?
@@miguelatkinson It’s because Satan has challenged God’s Authority. If God simply wiped him out the question will come up again. Time is proving God right however… Just look at the world we live in… Corruption everywhere. Humans decide either to obey God or to do what’s right in their own eyes based on whatever they think is good or bad.
Think of the reason why two countries go to war. Does one side believe it’s doing something evil? Never! Did H!tl3r think he was evil? Nope…
@@miguelatkinson how much explaining does a farmer give to his crops?
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But just for kicks, yeah let's look at it this way.... suppose there is a person who will invent a cure for cancer, but one of the reasons they will do this is their mother will die a horrible death from a terrible cancer. This will motivate the researcher to find the cure to save the lives of millions of other people. Taking away the mom's cancer means daughter never gets the motivation to find the cure that saves millions.
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A less theoretical explanation would be how people have suffered from scarcity and want throughout history, even down to today. In response, many people have invented fantastic machines, medicines, agricultural processes, etc to help provide abundance and reduce suffering. This process continues today. The suffering produces perseverance, perseverance produces character, and character produces hope that we can do something today that makes a difference in the life of others tomorrow.
@@sidwhiting665 waiting for some supposed answer to come in some ominous time that may or may not come is an co-opt to very relevant answer regarding the supposed omniscience or omnipotentence of god
I'm not a believer, but I am a huge fan of history and mythology, and this is a channel I have recommended numerous times to anyone wanting to know about these things. Excellent work! Keep it up, there's always more to uncover!
@@oluwaseyiadelaja7692 sounds like a boogeyman story too me.
@@oluwaseyiadelaja7692So you can be a good person and live a good life. But still go to hell for not believing your God? If so your God is not moral.
This isn't mythology Jesus is alive and well and you need to believe in him
@@intherift07 God seems very fond of the pride he so cautions against.
@@dylanbunting5352 As many people believe. Just don't try to prove it.
To answer the first question he was done after seven days. Hearing his children arguing he commanded they go outside is my second guess.
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It’s important to remember that Lucifer had challenged the fairness of God’s government. He had told lies about God. The idea of telling a lie had never entered the minds of the angels. Naturally they didn’t grasp all that lay behind Lucifer’s deceptions.
If God had destroyed Satan immediately, the angels would have begun to serve Him from fear rather than from love. This would have defeated the very purpose He had in creating beings with the power of choice in the first place.
How did anyone really know God’s way was best? No one had dared to try an alternative. God gave Satan a chance to demonstrate his alternative system. That’s why he was given an opportunity to make his pitch to Adam and Eve. This planet has become a testing ground where the character of Satan and the nature of his kingdom are contrasted with the character of God and the nature of His kingdom. Who is right? Who can we ultimately trust? These are the issues which “the great controversy between Christ and Satan” must resolve.
Satan's deceptions
So deceptive was Lucifer, that before all the universe could be fully convinced, the nature of his alternative had to be fully exposed. It has taken time for everyone to really grasp how disastrous Satan’s alternative actually is. But eventually everyone will see that “the wages of sin is death” and that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Every being in the entire universe will then agree with the declaration:
“‘Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.’” -Revelation 15:3, 4.
Conclusion: God's perfect plan
After everyone understands the deadly nature of sin and the destructive nature of Satan’s philosophy, God can destroy Satan and sin. He will also have to destroy those who stubbornly resist His grace and cling to Satan’s alternative.
God is just as anxious to resolve the problem of sin and suffering as we are to have Him do so. But He is waiting until He can do it on a permanent basis, and until He can both preserve our free will and prevent evil from ever appearing again.
Why should we suffer evil, just so God can prove he is right? Answer me! God is waiting until he can do something? Since when did an omnipotent being not be able to do something? Where is your logic? How can we have free will if God already knows what we will do?
@@My_Lacrimosa first it’s not god
Second lusifer is on this very earth
Third god is letting lusifer using all his battle cards so that God in the end gives the final blow
This seems like one of the most commonly asked questions in life, right? And it’s straightforward and simple. But more often than not, we don’t get a straightforward answer to this seemingly simple question, and not getting all the answers can definitely test our faith. When bad things happen, we might sometimes wonder where God is. If He’s really there. If He could have prevented it. If He could have sent a miracle.
We know He is all-powerful. We know He is in control. We know He wants what’s best for us. But there continue to be horrific tragedies and pain and suffering throughout the world. And we continue to face temptation, sorrow, and a multitude of trials within our own lives.
Sometimes we just want to know why. What’s the purpose of all this suffering? Why does He allow bad things to happen?
Unfortunately, we might not always know the reason “why.” But we can always draw faith and strength from remembering the things we do know.
We Have Agency
One vital part of the plan of salvation is that every single being who has ever lived on the face of this earth was given agency-we are able to choose for ourselves, and consequences, both good and bad, stem from those choices. Heavenly Father knows that choice and accountability for those choices are both necessary for our spiritual growth. Because He knows this and loves us, He doesn’t usually interfere with the consequences of our choices. If He forced us to make the right decisions, it would be impossible for us to grow and reach our divine potential. It would be impossible to live by faith in Him and His plan for our happiness.
Because of the beautiful gift of agency, people make their own choices, both good and bad. Many good things have happened in the world because of agency, but many terrible things have come about as well. In those bad moments when the wrong choices of others cause you pain, remember what President Dallin H. Oaks, First Counselor in the First Presidency, taught:
“God rarely infringes on the agency of any of His children by intervening against some for the relief of others. But He does ease the burdens of our afflictions and strengthen us to bear them. … He does not prevent all disasters, but He does answer our prayers to turn them aside. …
“Through all mortal opposition, we have God’s assurance that He will ‘consecrate [our] afflictions for [our] gain’ (2 Nephi 2:2)” (“Opposition in All Things,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2016, 117).
Trials Are Empowering
Have you ever gone through something difficult and that experience allowed you to empathize with friends or even strangers who were facing a similar challenge? Or have you seen others experience sorrow from difficult circumstances and turn their pain into a moving, empowering cause? The trials we face allow us to develop compassion for others and can inspire us to make a difference in the world, in big and small ways. They enable us to truly be “willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light” (Mosiah 18:8).
Think of times when natural disasters or horrific accidents occurred in the world. Remember how many people you saw on social media, on the news, or even in your own community who stepped up to raise money, donate necessities, and provide any bit of service they could to those in need? Sometimes when bad things happen, they empower us to act and serve. Even the Savior, our example, suffered infirmities, “that his bowels may be filled with mercy” and so that He could know “how to succor his people” (Alma 7:12). Trials can open our eyes to those who are suffering. They can enable us to show others genuine compassion and love. They can refine us to be more charitable, empathetic, and influential humans. They can instill in us a powerful need to serve.
The Savior’s Arms Are Open
When bad things happen, when you’re facing heavy challenges, when you don’t understand all the reasons behind your struggles, here is one thing to always remember: No matter what trial you’re facing, when you’re feeling lost, alone, defeated, or broken, the Savior’s arms are open to receive you. Maybe one reason for the tragedies and difficulties in our lives is so we can use our agency and faith to rely on and see the infinite power of Jesus Christ in our lives. Doing so allows us to better understand Him. To build our relationship with Him. To become more like Him. To fully comprehend that He truly did sacrifice everything He had for all of us.
Yes, life can be hard. Really hard. But when life knocks you down and you still manage to use your last drop of energy to turn to the Savior, you will see that He is always there, and He will always come to your rescue. Because He knows exactly what you’re going through. He’s felt it all before. Jesus Christ’s Atonement included suffering of all forms-mental, physical, and spiritual. Everything. He understands. He will not abandon you.
Remember: Heavenly Father Is in Control
So, when you are struggling to find the answer to the question, “Why did God allow this to happen?” try asking Him to help you understand through sincere prayer. Even though He might not be able to give you the full answer yet, He can help you find comfort and gradual understanding.
Take a moment to think about what you’ve learned because of bad things that have happened. There’s no doubt you will recognize those moments when you were able to sincerely understand someone else’s sorrow because of something you once faced, those moments of tragedy that motivated you to serve others, those moments when the Savior carried you, and those moments when you fully realized that Heavenly Father is aware of you and will always be there to guide you. Your answers are there.
Heavenly Father is in control. He has a plan for each of us, and “in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things” (Doctrine and Covenants 101:32). Despite what difficulties and challenges may come, despite some lingering questions we may have in this life, we can move forward with faith and peace, knowing that one day we will understand everything. One day, we will be able to look back at everything we had to overcome in gratitude because it helped us become exactly who we were destined to be.
So we are just collateral damage in some kind of interdimensional intergalactic conflict?
So some of us who have endured hell and pain our whole lives will still perish in the end? So whats the point??
Is God self aware just I am self aware of myself???is he an individual consciousness?? That all I want to know, because the trinity confuses me a little bit
Hear hear! Well said.
God is love. And love is its purest essence is a choice, and a delight. A choice that must be made. It is not something anyone must feel compelled to do.
Love (towards God or anyone) cannot genuinely exist if there is no choice. That includes the choice to walk out on somebody, even in the case of God.
Conversely, evil and rebellion, by definition, is also a choice, an act of the will. And because God is also holy, evil cannot escape its consequences and eventual punishment.
For hellfire at the final judgement to be justified, it must be a consequence of one's decision. One cannot say he/she is forced to do evil, without ultimately agreeing to do so.
In that day, no one can say God is unfair.
You are either rewarded or condemned eternally by your own decisions.
The Christian god is not loving. He is the most abusive boyfriend character known to man.
How can a god who is said to be loving, actually be loving when if you dont reciprocate that love he punishes you by having you burn eternally?
Imagine if I had a girlfriend, and she said that she loved me, but if I didn’t love her back she was going to break into my house and dislocate my shoulder, waterboard me, and then break my feet...that's abusive right? So how is it any different then god burning you eternally, for ever. Billions upon trillions of years, no escape. How is that love?
Seriously. Who extorts love for themselves under threat of eternal suffering?
And of course he never takes responsibility for his shitty actions and pulls the "Look what you made me do!" line as an excuse for wiping out 99.9% of all land life on Earth.
Christians just assumes God is loving but what if He is a mean, sadistic SOB? Look at this World. Even animals in order to survive must kill and cause another animal to suffer by being eaten. What kind of psychopath creates such a World? A pure loving God? I don't think so. It is very disturbing what or who created this place. It is full of misery.
Can you imagine if we lived in a society in which we truly acted like the Christian version of a god? How many parents here would drag their kid into to the backyard and throw them on the grill if they said "I hate you"???
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Dude, you learn that you don't capitalize every letter from kindergarden
The very fact that you knew nothing of God or Satan when you were born here and yet you still chose to do good and be a good person of your own free will is more valuable to God than almost anything.
Except you don’t. Anyone who has children will tell you, they don’t just decide to share. Children are selfish, greedy, and needlessly cruel.
@@TheSpicyLegChristian elitist
“Kids are so cruel and let me teach you the gift of existence may Jesus be with you, bla bla bla….”
@@surutaeyaisutsu9904 It is pointless rebuttal to simply place words in your opponent’s mouth, is it not?
Children are not born good, that’s a simple fact. Gratitude, a near requirement for happiness, is not inherent to children and must be learned.
Aye. There may be some that are better then others, but in general they are animals.
He doesn’t kill Satan because it would show that Satan is correct to all the other Angels.
That’s y God implemented a Wager that will give him all right to throw Satan into the lake of fire once Satan doesn’t get the souls
The problem is god knew this would happen ahead of time so what is the punishment for. If he knows then the action is set in stone beforehand
Born to fail.
@@SunniMerlot Set in stone for Him, but not for us because we do not know beforehand what will happen. We still have free will.
You could in a way say that our actions and God's foreknowledge of them happen at the "same time" (time being a concept that only exists here in the material universe, in the spiritual world there is only cause and effect ), but it is still OUR actions performed via OUR free will that determine the outcome (and God's foreknowledge of it).
One truth (God's foreknowledge) does not invalidate the other (that we have free will): for us creatures the choices are very real and have very real consequences.
@@JcRabbit no we don’t. God knew most would not make it to heaven but he keeps making people. Gotta make sure the Bible isn’t a lie I suppose
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But God won't stop it.
In the 3rd century BC, the philosopher Epicurus asked: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
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Virtue can not exist without Sin, Sin can not exist without Virtue. No matter what, with free will you will always have two options. Light or darkness. Heaven or hell. Jesus or Satan. A constant battle between two the two sides, you must choose what side you will take and in term decide your destiny.
“Violence was born in Hell, it is inevitable, a fire that fuels creation and gives purpose where there’s none.” -The Dark Lord from Doom Eternal
I am the Lord your God I created good and I created evil you shall serve me genesis 4
& just like in doom eternal that quote is wrong here lol
Cuz in both violence didn't start in hell at all, but actually in heaven lol
Except violence was not born of hell. Like everything else it is born of its opposite. Ponder that.
KNEEL BEFORE YOUR SUPREME LORD
I was just watching Doom’s video games cutscenes.
You are correct his name does mean "accuser" AKA the simole to that being a "test" , he does "accuse" which is a way of testing. He did it to Job as well as to Christ, but you notice he never actually lied, he may not actually tell you all the information you want, but he never actually straight up lies.
"You shall not surely die" was the closest to a lie Satan told Eve. An outright lie.
Except Lucy did lie on the account of the angles that he want to take God throne and be “ like God “ even this he was weak compare to The Father of All!
Yeah that wasn't him lying that was just him being prideful which was and still is his only sin other than open rebellion towards God. He actually never said he was like God he said he wanted to be above God, he never actually said he was above or equal to God, Lucifer saying he wants to be above or equal to God is not the same thing as saying he is equal to or above God. However nice try.
As if we couldn't freely choose to sin without the help of ancient spirit beings trying to tempt us. We do this very well on our own.
This belies the fact that God is in fact a moral and loving superior being. To create a conundrum that God is fair or moral at all. What then is the purpose of being moral and loving if the creator is not moral or loving.
There’s are a couple problems with this. First, if God is all powerful, then EVERYTHING he does is optional by definition. All these claims of trials and lessons don’t HAVE to occur with an all powerful being, since he could simply give us the information automatically without the need to be able to cause such horrific evil in the world. That must mean that God WANTS people to suffer and evil to occur.
Second, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say free will exists. Sure, it often mentions the importance of making the right choices…but that doesn’t mean anything if God is actually the one making our decisions for us, does it? So what does the Bible say about who REALLY decides what actions we take? Well…
Proverbs 16:4 says, “The Lord works out EVERYTHING to its proper end-even the wicked for the day of disaster.” It doesn’t say that God determines SOME things, it says he determines “EVERYTHING,” including what the wicked do.
Ephesians 1:11 says, “In him we were also chosen, having been PREDESTINED according to the plan of him who works out EVERYTHING in conformity with the purpose of his will.” So again, God plans and predestines everything.
The Bible also says that God doesn’t even allow random chance to affect his plan: Proverbs 16:33: “The dice are thrown, but the Lord determines EVERY outcome.” It’s not actually random if God decides what the result will be, is it?
To make matters worse, the Bible emphasizes that not only does God control us even if we might otherwise be inclined to do something different, but he even controls every step we take!
Proverbs 16:9 “In their hearts HUMANS PLAN their course, but the LORD ESTABLISHES their steps.”
Jeremiah 10:23 “Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is NOT for them to DIRECT THEIR STEPS.”
Proverbs 20:24 “A person’s steps are DIRECTED by the LORD. How then can anyone understand their own way?”
These are just a handful of examples, but there are literally DOZENS MORE passages reinforcing the claim that God determines EVERYTHING we do, including our very steps.
So either the Bible is lying about God planning everything, and thus it cannot be trusted to tell you the truth…or God determines every decision we make, HE is 100% responsible for EVERY evil action, and free will is only an illusion. Either conclusion undermines the very foundation of Christianity. Heads you lose, tails you lose.
I just wished salvation was easier. For us humans, it seems like the devil has advantage over us. Because you can’t be saved by just saying” I wanna follow Christ” we are stuck on earth and we must live like Christ and not sin. It’s literally impossible. So people are saved by Grace. But still it’s hard for us.
Ask God for the Holy Spirit. Be sincere when you pray, explain your faults and ask for guidance to change. It actually is possible to be free from sin, but that's not just what salvation is. Salvation is KNOWING Jesus Christ for real and living in submission to the Holy Spirit
God is merciful just like in this video God had mercy even on his enemy
But why did God create Lucifer when He knew what would eventually happen, and the chaos he would create in combination with possibly leading many of God’s children to perishing/eternal torment, depending on the doctrine one believes.
@@SpectrallAdam But God’s will is for everyone to be with him and for none to perish, the devil is the one who’s threatening this with his desires. The only logical conclusion I, with my limited understanding, can draw is that none will really perish, because it’s God’s will for such a thing to not happen, and what God wills - happens.
@@Soul-vj1mg Even easier solution - god doesn't really give a shit about humans, you are talking ants to him. Add to that all the shit that has been done in his name i.e. all the crimes done by the religion in gods name - yeah god/Satan really fucking hates humanity.
@@SpectrallAdam It's called free will, a gift and a curse
It think god was bored ,
Because if there is a God (there isn't) then he's clearly an idiot.
Evil in general needs to be put to an end. Period.
It will be in time, Bible Prophecy. It’s unfolding front of our eyes now. It’s all written.
I will
For me there is no evil..just weakness.
I'm an atheist but there is a line in the movie Batman vs Superman where Lex Luther says "if God is all powerful, He cannot be all good. And if He's all good then He cannot be all powerful". (Idk where the original quote derived from) but it really stuck with me
The answer to the existence of Evi & Lucifer is quite simple. It's a test to demonstrate our faith & trust in our creator. And not everyone will pass this test. But those of us who do will certainly live to fight again. And that's real all there is to it. 😎🧡👍
The Devils life is miserable so he makes others miserable he wants his own death along side the death of humanity
Misery loves company.
Lucifer was the top angel during the creation of angels (which was before the universe). His pride is what led him to think he was better than God after God created man and dictated they, the angels, were to serve man, who was made in God's image. From that day, sin found a home in Lucifer's heart and being. He then turned his anger and dissatisfaction upon man to pervert and destroy what God had made. Starting with the heavenly rebellion (angelic beings) and in the Garden of Eden (man beings).
Everyone should die out. So I guess Satan, if he were real, would be a real homie to die along side humanity.
@@jjkhawaiian sounds like a great fictional story to me lol try peterpan next
I can only say it's beyond my understanding because God could have just created a world of free will that is without the possibility of evil. If He is omnipotent, then it is true. But here we are....
This was one of my biggest questions to religion. It's like humans are just little Chess pieces for God and Satan to play with. There are a bunch of religions out there, which one is the right one?
That's about what I thought I heard one time I was trippin on some stuff and thinking deep tryna talk to God and understand😅
Makes you feel resentment after wondering this.
In the story of Adam and Eve we are told that they are in Paradise. But actually, they are not in Paradise. A place where there lives an evil enemy out to kill you at all times is more accurately described as a "War Zone". If I have to always be on my guard, always looking over my shoulder, knowing that and attack can take place at any time that is the life of soldier in the middle of a war. How can I feel peaceful under a constant threat! I am not so sure that Adam and Eve truly understood the peril they were under. It's not fun having to play the role of "Damsel in Distress" all the time. It is good to know God is there to save us. But still living under a constant threat is stressful. Heaven is described as a place where there is no Devil, and there is no evil!!! That sounds a lot better!!!!
You need to read the bible more so you can get the correct information.
@eddygarcia0513 hes right though???
Sweetly understand what you're saying and also to the point where if we were all just do what is required and requested of us and if we stopped doing evil not you and me in particular but those that are doing evil whenever they do evil then we would have sent really live in a world where there is no evil😊😅😮😢
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As a storyteller that loves to write and read up on such fairy tales and mythology I really love your work as well as other similar UA-camrs. Keep it up. The bible is very interesting and the books it is connected to outside itself hold even more narrative mystery.
@shemnetto4128no one’s gonna read all that
Free will and Free choice,the words you speak,the actions you take,will determine the road you take while standing at a 4-way intersection.
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Now here is a thought: since god would be all powerful and all knowing he would also be responsible for every choice made by his creations simply because he already knows the future and every choice that will ever be made. Therefore free will is simply an illusion as god already knows what choices will be made and how everything will play out. This all evil would be the work and will of god the all knowing creator and controller of the universe. Or on the other side we can say that this all knowing all powerful being doesn’t actually exist in the first place.
If he didn't exist then our own existence would be sadly non existent either. There's no in or way out of it.
He's just doing what he needs to do, as we do what we should be doing 🤷🏿
@@CattusTheDevourerthere is no god. And the dude is right. God is responsible. And should be held accountable instead of sucked off like some weird love hate slave master relationship. No judging over here, whatever kink you're into. But just saying, the whole God thing is really making it weird since dudes like billions of years old and compared to God we'd be kids
Ego, that's why we humans will fail to understand God's will 😢
This question was always boggling me even when I was 5 years old.
The church always thought that I'm too deep for a child due to other questions l ask. haha
I have lots of questions. One of them being if He is omniscient why did He create Lucifer in the first place?. As a father I do everything possible to protect my children. So why would a divine father place his children in a place where an evil/opposing force can harm or influence them? Why do babies get molested? Why is there suffering? What parent would sit and watch their children suffer? Would any of you sit and allow your baby to lay in a dirty diaper and be hungry? Would you create something that can manipulate your child to do bad? I could go on and on with these questions that I've always had but was always told not to question. Well how do I get answers 🤔
They think anyone who ask questions is too deep
Nothing wrong with asking questions. If a church or believer turns you away because of questions, then they are uninformed and fearful of seeking answers to questions that are deep.
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That's a question that's been on my mind for quite some time
What's the point of free will if you don't have a choice?
To understand true love and worship. You must have choice
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The true reason why God allowed evil to exist was because, God wanted to know what Evil is and how it look like. Pretty much what the opposite of him looks like.
See, in the beginning ALL was GOOD and LOVE. Nobody knew what the opposite of Goodness and LOVE was. So the question came about by the sons of God (Angels) how do God know if Good and Love is the ONLY way of doing things?
So God crafted up a plan to create challenges for himself using his children and his creations. The various challenges was to help him enhance his wisdom as a father and to know the true meaning of what a father’s unconditional/agape Love is. Which is a skill he desired to have and pass down to All of his children.
Although it may now seem like his plan did not work out too well, that is not the case.
Before he carried out his plans, he told all of his children and creations what he was going to do and he told them to trust that he is in control because he will be controlling the narrative but they will be giving the FREE WILL to make their own decisions/choices. That no matter how wicked or evil they would become he will never stop loving them because he knew their true character in the beginning and he know who they are no matter how the world or others sees or depicts them. He just wanted to see the opposite of their good character if it was tested under certain conditions,
And that in the end everything will work out and everyone will be happy reassuring he would preserve their good character. He didn’t tell them how he was going to do it.
However, he told them that everything that they were going to experience will be a test and once everyone (him, his wife and his children) reached their fullness on opposite sides good & evil he will restore all things like new.
That how I remembered it in my data base.
Trust me when I say this no one will be left behind. And even if Evil have to exist for all eternity it will be used as a test for more knowledge and understanding so we can alway appreciate GOOD and LOVE.
Wanted to know? So he's not all knowing?
@@Mr.Rabot6688 There are many aspects, positions, titles and characteristics to God. Yes, he is All Everything and he wears many hats.
However, he didn’t just become that magically or Automatically.
If you got something such as a skill, talent, or a hight position automatically and didn’t do the necessary work to acquire it, when you loose that skill, talent, or position, you will not know how to get it back until you do the work.
Another example, let say you were born a great musician. You and everyone know that is your destiny, because everyone can see your gifts. However, in order to become a Great Musician where everyone can know your name, you had to put in the work. You had to work on your craft, practice day and night to be a master of your music.
In the same manner, God had to put in the work for his name to be know throughout the whole Universe. Yes, He is the one and only God but his name did not become know magically. No, he had to make his name be known through the challenges he faced from his own children and other false gods who challenged his sovereignty.
One thing I respect about God our father is the fact that he want us to go through the process of becoming the persons we are all destined to be. He is not going to make us go through something that he himself have not gone through or experienced. That is how he is able to help us through our problems. That is the fatherly aspect of him.
I think the world and Christianity have us thinking that God is this distance figured who is unapproachable, with no character and not relatable.
That is far from the truth. He is our eternal father, his love surpasses even the love that our Earthly father has for us.
god isnt real. this is fact
@shemnetto4128 god is not real, this is fact
@@crypticon9246So where did the universe come from then?
"I am the goodness without end, and the badness which makes the goodness good.".
--Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch
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Can you truly love something or someone if you are not also able to hate them?
So you won't be able to love, in heaven?
@@rickojay7536 lol great answer!!
Because if he did that would mean free will doesn’t exist … because if he just killed him for not doing what he wanted then that means ur essentially a robot and can’t even “choose” to do anything
You don't need the existence of Satan to foster free will.
@@chriskirksey9891tell that to Adam and Eve. If wasn’t for Lucifer Adam and Eve would just follow gods rules which taken our free will away.god challenges us to make the right morally choice and is on us to figure our own path.
personally I believe the reason God doesn't destroy Satan is because he needs a villain and a person to place the blame on so he can serve as pure good
I believe God doesn't destroy evil cuz God's a f****** psychopath
He actually doesn't need a villian
After all a time is coming when Satan won't exist anymore
@@lawrence8666 so then why create him in the first place 🤨
Well, God doesn't need anyone nor anything. He is God, after all.
@@benclark4823 if you paid attention to the video, then you would have heard the bit from St. Augustine, wherein the saint explains that God created Lucifer, knowing that he would turn his back on Him and tempt humanity with sin, because temptation is necessary for anyone to meaningfully make an act of love and faith.
One big question i have about all of existence is this: if there is a GOD and he created everything, why did he create it with FLAWS? I mean, why do we have pain and suffering, sickness, disease, EVIL, people that talk in movie theaters....whats the point in creating something full of flaws? I mean, if it was me, if I was god who could create a universe and set it up however I wanted, I would create paradise. A place where no being ever has to experience physical or emotional pain.
I liked this. It was very interesting and answered some good questions. Thank you.
taking out satan wouldn't end all evil cus evil along with good resides in the heart it doesn't come from a being it comes from within
Before I get started watching this video. I'm going to say God don't kill him so it will be worth it because u made it thought all the temptations, sin and everything else. It's like studying for a test and when you Ace it and pass, it makes it that much more worthwhile.
Instead of canceling it all together and you not knowing whether you'd fail or not
Consent, anyone?
Did he ask if anyone wants to suffer for it to be "worth it?"
everything has an opposite. if there was only good there is nothing to learn which is the purpose of life and allows the spirit to grow....or not
What is your opposite?
We need both for growth and more to continue... nothing is constant,but change.
Is it free will if an omniscient presence already knows the outcome? The best comparison that i can think of is a videgame, while playing gta Trevor thinks that he is choosing to drive a certain direction but its really me making him do it. How can we have free will if the end is already determined and known?
You gotta know wat evil is to know what good is❤
I would disagree with that based on this experiment.
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Lead me into a room with a bright light. I will see this thing shining, possibly hurting my eyes. When I ask what it is, you will answer "this is a light." I do not need to be lead into a dark room to understand what the light is. I can see it and see its effects on things.
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The same is true of love. A person can do a loving act toward me that my soul reacts warmly to. I don't need someone to hit me in the face to know what love it.
For that light vs light experiment, for us to know which is which there should be a difference even the slightest
So you won't know what good is in heaven or paradise?
God knows all the answers, we don't.
This video has a very frustrating, but very good point 😤🤔
Balance. There cannot be good without evil and vice versa.
evil will cease to exist after the great white throne judgment at the end of known time. Balance is a myth and a lie considering the after life.
So there will be no good in heaven?
I always wondered this why not just snap your fingers an just completely end the evil instead of having so much chaos and destruction continue to drag on!!
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I answered that in a previous comment. The story of job described Satan's purpose. He is supposed to show man how to please God he works for God. He is the accuser. He stands on the left side of God in Jesus stands on the right side. The Bible speaks of these things. Clearly Satan has a role to play and that is to show man how to please God and that was the beginning of the fall and the war in heaven.
Satan said to God why should I who you have made out of fire to bow down and serve man. The war in heaven was because Satan was made to serve man and teach us and he did not want to and that's why he was cast out of heaven and thrown into the garden of Eden. How do you think Satan got there? God put him there
@@pushthebutton8723 why would a superpowered being like an angel bow down to powerless humans? Would you bow down for an ant?
Go read the Book of Enock
and like whos all knowing , creates people , creates Lucifer who God psychologically abused by making it known others he created that they're less than others, and did heaven have a woodstalk year where you can sin in god glory and kingdom. God should be indicted. He is responsible for this and knew it was going to happen and did nothing to prevent it.
Growing up religious and surviving religious Truma I asked this and gotten beat lol
and when I did get answer it was "Free will" and replied "God doesn't give free will he gives an ultimatums
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Humans are higher than angels in the hierarchy of Creation. Look at it this way, angels are spirits, animals are corporeal, humans are both. We are the only created being made in God's likeness.
Thats so easy to answer! Multiple reasons, but they all kinda tie together. 1) We only learn through suffering. 2) you can only know whats good by going through the bad 3) testing to see what weve learned through our free will by the choices we make and morals we hold and actually uphold. Satan isnt against God. They are in cahoots. Think about it. If satan were truly against god, why would he punish those who go against God. In the original language, the "satan" is actually better translated as adversary. He is testing your loyalty and faith to God.
@Aravis YES!! EXACTLY THIS!! 😊 Your description is equivalent to placing the final piece in the puzzle to create the picture that was there the whole time yet couldn't be seen until that last piece was placed perfectly so to present the picture precisely. Your explanation is clear and exact.
@@kimmy4714 Thank you very much!
Expect Satan doesn't mean "Tester" it means " The adversary" or "The Accuser" as in he's the great adversary to God and challenges him and his people. As well his other name meaning Accuser is he is someone who has done the greatest offense or something greatly bad which is him rebelling against God and committing the greatest crime of existence by creating sin and bringing wickedness to mankind.
@@davidmarrero9608ou are correct his name does mean "accuser" AKA the simole to that being a "test" , he does "accuse" which is a way of testing. He did it to Job as well as to Christ, but you notice he never actually lied, he may not actually tell you all the information you want, but he never actually straight up lies.
@@Michael-fb1rl Satan (Lucifer) tempts, God tests. There's a difference. Tempt is to derail through deceit to eventually destroy through eternal damnation, while Test is to purify and sanctify, or grow in goodness, leading to eternal life.
Perfect for a mythology channel
There will always be good and evil, God and the devil, live a good life, be nice, be kind and you will be rewarded in heaven, respect from Ireland 🇮🇪 to whoever reads my comment ❤️.
Satan says fuck that nonsense. Live the life YOU deserve, no matter if it is deemed right or wrong by others. And Hells gate awaits those who desire real power and glory.
HAIL SATAN! 🤘
There's people that's kind that still in hell.
@@Tene-xh9vl who ?
@@tankc6474 According to NDE thres religious people in hell. I'm kind I unfortunately just made a grave terrible mistake.
I am reminded of the riddle of why Eru created Melkor in Tolkien's universe, at one point saying that everything he tried to do would ultimately serve a higher purpose that was Eru's and Eru's alone.
The angelic Ainur are manifestations of Eru's thoughts. But God has plenty of thoughts that are only appropriate for God: I am supreme, no one is my equal, others should worship me, I will create things that show how great I am (to who?), etc. So now there will be a delusional Ainur who thinks that they are God, guaranteed to not put up with being treated as a servant to a higher purpose.
So anyone who acts like God is an asshole, but God is not a prideful, callous asshole making people exist and suffer just to hear how great He is because ... er ... well, that's the awkward part. If it's because He says so, that's what every megalomaniacal tyrant would say. If it's because you feel that He is - well, He created you to say how good He is, like a bad author who uses a character as a sock-puppet for their political opinions. When there's no one to argue with the sock-puppet.
It really does crumble into mush with too much thought, so believers have to retreat to 'who knows?'
Tolkien was a Christian and his beliefs inspired his writings
God is gravity, evil is heat death. Free will is time and distance...so no need to throw your inane daddy issue bias into it
@@adamsee444 yet by throwing insults at someone else’s opinion and their thoughts about god shows you have no compassion for other living beings. Seems like people who say others are evil and want them to suffer because a person doesn’t believe the same as them is evil itself. Isn’t god about compassion, love, and caring?
@@spiritlake9 he didn't call Mark evil or that he wants him to suffer. Chill.
Well said, although is not retreat to who knows, is retreat too, humans can't understand the reasons.
Y'know, as much as I like the THEORY of this discussion, I am left with this question as an answer to the fundamental question of the video. Has anyone considered that the reason that god and the devil coexist is because neither exist? Does it not occur that belief in the sacred and profane are, in fact, the creation of humans looking for reasons for their own bad behavior?
Lots of thought has gone into this from the Dawn of History and the various schools of philosophy… much less religion.
The Original Sin was laying the Blame, rather than taking Responsibility.
If neither exist then how do we know whats wrong and whats right. We were designed that way. We could not have come from nothingness come alive then return to nothingness once we die. If there is no afterlife then whats the point of living if your memories disappear once you die.
@@Deacide6980 Their is no right or wrong, everything is subjective. If I chop off one of your arms, that would make you less efficient when it comes to lifting stuff or doing regular activities would it not? So therefore that would be a negative for you compared to everyone else that has both arms hence me automatically knowing that was wrong since I made you less efficient than everyone else. That's pretty much how everything works in the world regarding right and wrong.
It is so much easier to shirk responsibility when the good things in your life are in a god's hands and when you do something bad, the devil made you do it.
We as humans are responsible and accountable for our sins. Same as the rebellious angels are for their sins. The question to you is if God doesn't exist, how did everything come into existence? Something cannot come from nothing. Therefore, if intelligent design (God) was the reason for everything existing, surely, Lucifer and the angels exist, too.
So what “force” influenced Lucifer to rebel and how is rebellion even possible in heaven? Does man kind have freewill in heaven? So it’s still possible to sin in heaven? This story makes less sense as you take the time to break it down.
angels have free will just like us
If God can see the future, there must only be one future. How could free will exist in a deterministic world? If there was only one way things can end, what choice does anyone have?
@@rahelly1858 let’s build off of that if we can. But first, so that we aren’t talking past each other, can you give me your definition of freewill? Because that’s the one I’d like to use for the conversation.
Second, can you give me a real world example of what a violation of freewill by God would actually look like? For example, if God intervened and stopped a priest from molesting a child, would that be a violation of the priest’s freewill?
3. Can you give me the chapter and verse where it explicitly says that God gives mankind freewill?
Thanks
@@GuardianShad that pretty much destroys the freewill argument.
@@SPL0869 idk what the exact verse is but God does speak on us having freewill , we make our own choices weather your a good person or bad person is your choice weather you have desires to rape a child or not is your choice , weather we believe in God or not is a free will choice …. If he wanted he could of made us all believe in him but he doesn’t because he wants us to want to know him by ourselves and clearly angels have free will just like us because Lucifer is the example of having a free will by going against God even though he was in his present till he got kicked out by Angel Michael with the help of God due to his pride
Basically my Friend the World is a fight Between Good and Evil God is Giving us a Choice of Which Side we Choose
Satan is just another demon. God is the Devil. The balance.
So then, why does "God" punish those who don't follow him?
If it's all about us having Free Will and our own agency to choose what to do, why does he punish us if we don't do what he wants us to do?
How does that equal True Free Will?
In order to have true free will, you can't have some omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent entity blackmailing you into submission 😂. That's not free will, that's manipulation & coercion.
No, God only punish those who worship other gods
@@bonn9730 That's not what the Bible says LOL. Not at all.
And even if you were right, if this God is supposedly the one true God, why would he be jealous of other gods that supposedly don't even exist?
And if he's going to punish you for not worshipping him, or for worshipping someone else, how is that Free Will?
How is it Free Will when you're being threatened with punishment as a DIRECT form of behavioral manipulation and coercion by an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being?
If a parent tells their child that they can take the chocolate from the table, but they're going to beat them afterward, the child is not going to take the chocolate.
That's NOT Free Will.
If you give the child true Freedom, with no threat of punishment for their choice, the child would take the chocolate and very happily eat it.
THAT'S Free Will.
The threat of punishment literally stifles the decision-making process. It's literally not free will.
Careful there! Your injecting logic into the story, logic is a no no when it comes to bible stories 😂
@@bonn9730 What God did Jonah worship again? How about Job? Was Moses denied the promised land because he worshiped another God? How about the thousands of a children less than a year old who died in the flood, what did they do to deserve that? Or what about Cain; which God did he worship? Were Adam and Eve bast worshipers? Where did the Idea of other Gods even come from if their is only the one? God had a very personable relationship with his early creations. They would certainly know better than to lie about that wouldnt they?
@@TheMasaoL Exactly lol
There is no good no evil only power
What makes anyone think that evil would stop with the removing of satan?
God said, "Love thy enemy." God is not a hypocrite. As much evil that exists. That much Love exists.
TLDR: Because Satan works for God. Mic drop.
O yeah I remember that's something from Judaism of the sorts but where discussing it In a Christian context
He does one way is by allowing Satan’s permission to Test the character of his people. However, they have a mutual understanding and respect that Satan can not cross. What Satan works for he owns.
What belongs to God belongs to God and he owns. God control the narrative because he is the Creator. He fairly controls who gets what.
@@divinelyguidedsouls9963 you’re an amateur. It is Lucifer that performs in that role - not Satan. Get it right buddy. Now scurry along, little thing, before something bigger comes along.
@divinelyguidedsouls9963 Yes you are Correct! My last face to face encounter with Satan we did speak on this. I was a chief angel in my past life we were brothers as all of the angels were.
@@bernardmuzzik7005 This does not surprise me at all!!!
L😂L god and Satan are the same!! How do people not realize this already?!!
Not so and yet, so. You are too general and broad in your comments to be useful. There is only one - so there's that. BUT the aspects of the one that are manifesting are distinct - they are not the same. That would be like saying to me that "A" is "B." No bruh, they are both letters - but A is distinct from B. Feel me?
@@tonytravels2494 definitely don’t feel you lol
God is lonely. He's playing chess all by himself.
thats no fun
And now I pictured him in a black robe cackling to himself.
really appreciate this explanation.
Thanks
I like that we have so many questions is like a maker is playing with toys.
Its very simple, cause satan is not real!
No one asked you.
@@vigo894 question is on the title of the vid, cheers.
God is Satan you silly goose!!
Then you have a very selective view of 'the real' my friend. Satan is a household name. Millions speak with him daily. He is represented in every culture and every people. The list goes on and on. If you wanna say he isn't 'Real' because you can't sit and have tea and crumpets with him, then I suggest you get up in Sam Smiths DMz. He will change that view quicker than his gender at a MAGA rally.
@@dsanchez9703 No one asked you.
Because these are two aspects of the same monster.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. That sure is one way to se it, mayby God and satan are one and the same ;)
My take is that god is just a narcissist who uses evil just so he can masquerade as a good holy savior and he also uses evil as an excuse to kill countless of innocent beings
good video 👍👍👍👍
You lie😠
@@britneybain8383 lie? Then prove my guilt give me the name of a story and tell me how God the good and holy helps people that don’t believe in him.
And no you can’t give a story where he helps someone who worshiped him in any way.
@@cjmob123 simple: As sunshine and rain fall on both the just and the unjust indiscriminately, so does God's grace
@@britneybain8383 where is this from?
By virtue of God being omniscient & omnipotent, means that we really don't have "free will". Nothing can happen w/o God's knowledge (as he's "all-knowing") nor w/o his blessing (aka "god's will" which his creations can't supersede). He already knew who we'd do, even before we were created. Saying we have free will puts God power into question. Either he has to allow suffering to happen because he doesn't have the knowledge and power to prevent it, or he can prevent suffering but wants ppl to worship him, in order to be spared. It's kind of like the conundrum of "golden age" Superman. He was so powerful, that it never made any sense as to how anything could threaten him. But DC comics remedied this by not only tonning down Supes's powers, but also giving him "weaknesses" (e.g. kryptonite, red sun radiation, & a vulnerability to magic).
Thanks For Good Explained.
Awesome
Well Done
Much needed
It's a simple answer God doesn't kill anyone spiritually. It is only the mortal body that dies not the spiritual one.
Oh I know the answer to this one because He personally told me why. He said "I could do it myself but I wanted a human to do it and it has been done!
Divine Wisdom at its best! Profound implications, lessons, benefits, etc.
Thanks to The Creator and The Light!
It is DONE!
One thing people don't understand about Satan is that we would still sin even if he didn't exist. That's the whole point of agency.
Balance, there can be no good without evil, no hunger without food, no thirst without drink, etc. there has to be balance, without balance there is simply chaos
We can never appreciate the day without the night, simple as that
Because Satan (Lucifer) is not the SOURCE of “Evil”. Lucifer is a mere tool to prove a point.
I love to deal with evil people. They always find good people to torment and I would always proclaim GOD's glory and they' would still get upset.
Thanks for helping people question god. It's all mythology.
Evil is just a result of free will. Gods a genius. We just don't understand him because we're not on his level. But its all genius i guess ive come to understand his plan a little bit throughout my life
There's only one God, and Satan isn't but a fallen just like the other angels, do not get it confused, God is victorious and loves enough to give Satan a limit of freedom before his time is up, God is so good.
Good job 👍
This is where the confusion continues to permeate : if before “humanity” was created it was only angels in heaven (without the tree of knowledge of good and evil) how did satan even become enticed to know / become evil ? It was something innately a part of him from the jump ? Somebody make it make sense
He became prideful of himself and wanted to be God.
@@Urlocalcommentt that still doesn’t answer my question though … how was that even a possibility if it wasn’t meant to be ?
@@Urlocalcommentt god created pride