I know that the common doctrine is to set powered speakers to 0dB, but it's interesting to note that if you dig deep into QSC documentation, you will find that the recommended settings for the KW family when used with their Touchmix digital mixers is 5 clicks past 0dB, and 4 clicks past 0dB for the original K series, and 2 clicks past 0dB for the newer K.2 family. Basically, the amp module from every series has an optimal setting that is not 0dB and is not equal to other series either. These settings gain stage well with every digital mixer I've ever used these products with, not just the Touchmix... so I think the take away is this: 0dB is NOT NECESSARILY the correct value for every powered speaker with every mixer or audio source out there. I don't think going to +2 or +3 on these Presonus boxes is actually a problem. Might have been nice if the LED was labeled "Input Clip" to make it more obvious what is actually clipping.
I usually do 4 to 5 outdoor event with bands and I have JBL SRX and QSC systems which works out great, but sometimes the guest are farther away from the stage becuase of shade. So in order to not blast out the people in the audience I'm considering buying a Pair of the Presonus CDL12p and have them approx 100' - 150' away from the stage. I was concern about the clipping problem from talking to other DJ's but your settings seems great. I'm going to get a set to see how it works out. Thanks for the info.😁
Yeah. That’s always a challenge. Depending on which Jbl/qsc units you have you might consider using the cdl’s as the mains and supplement/delay speakers that way. Again depending on what you already have. The cdl’s have a great throw for distance. Also the higher you can get them the better. Cheers!
I don’t know what Presonus engineers had in their mind when they decided to show a hell of that clipping light showing as if the speaker is about to die but in reality they just sound great. I have used them on a gig for several hours and they did so well. Probably they need to send the updated/ upgraded version of the dsp board to the customers as a recall/swap option of this issue.
The clipping indicator is useful, but it does seem to me like they could have better optimized the gain staging of the thing. clipping the ADC of the DSP should not be the bottleneck... There should be enough gain built in to the DSP and amplifier that the first thing to clip would be the amplifier.
una consulta, el que este llegando al clip rojo la señal ( No quiere decir que el parlante llegue a malograrse?) si se supone que hiciste bien tu estructura de ganancia y todo lo demás. O en otras palabras este equipo es de volumen bajo, porque comparándolo con otros equipos de menor costo este suena mas bajo. Los acabo de adquirir y no me están convenciendo aún. Por que llega al clip rojo, si están a volumen bajo ?. Gracias por su respuesta , Saludos.
I run my CDL10P'S at +4. Haven't had any clipping problems.
I know that the common doctrine is to set powered speakers to 0dB, but it's interesting to note that if you dig deep into QSC documentation, you will find that the recommended settings for the KW family when used with their Touchmix digital mixers is 5 clicks past 0dB, and 4 clicks past 0dB for the original K series, and 2 clicks past 0dB for the newer K.2 family. Basically, the amp module from every series has an optimal setting that is not 0dB and is not equal to other series either.
These settings gain stage well with every digital mixer I've ever used these products with, not just the Touchmix... so I think the take away is this: 0dB is NOT NECESSARILY the correct value for every powered speaker with every mixer or audio source out there. I don't think going to +2 or +3 on these Presonus boxes is actually a problem. Might have been nice if the LED was labeled "Input Clip" to make it more obvious what is actually clipping.
I usually do 4 to 5 outdoor event with bands and I have JBL SRX and QSC systems which works out great, but sometimes the guest are farther away from the stage becuase of shade. So in order to not blast out the people in the audience I'm considering buying a Pair of the Presonus CDL12p and have them approx 100' - 150' away from the stage. I was concern about the clipping problem from talking to other DJ's but your settings seems great. I'm going to get a set to see how it works out. Thanks for the info.😁
Yeah. That’s always a challenge. Depending on which Jbl/qsc units you have you might consider using the cdl’s as the mains and supplement/delay speakers that way. Again depending on what you already have. The cdl’s have a great throw for distance. Also the higher you can get them the better. Cheers!
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I don’t know what Presonus engineers had in their mind when they decided to show a hell of that clipping light showing as if the speaker is about to die but in reality they just sound great. I have used them on a gig for several hours and they did so well.
Probably they need to send the updated/ upgraded version of the dsp board to the customers as a recall/swap option of this issue.
The clipping indicator is useful, but it does seem to me like they could have better optimized the gain staging of the thing. clipping the ADC of the DSP should not be the bottleneck... There should be enough gain built in to the DSP and amplifier that the first thing to clip would be the amplifier.
una consulta, el que este llegando al clip rojo la señal ( No quiere decir que el parlante llegue a malograrse?) si se supone que hiciste bien tu estructura de ganancia y todo lo demás. O en otras palabras este equipo es de volumen bajo, porque comparándolo con otros equipos de menor costo este suena mas bajo. Los acabo de adquirir y no me están convenciendo aún. Por que llega al clip rojo, si están a volumen bajo ?. Gracias por su respuesta , Saludos.
If the first speaker is going to be at +3db is the second one stay at 0db or that one at +3db as well?
Yes. In theory they would want to have the same output in order to work together properly. So both (or all) at +3
That is not working for me