Hi Shawn - Great to see others spreading the word on the CDL series! Good luck with your cabinets and glad you are liking them so far. Even after almost four years with ours, we still are amazed at how they make our job easier!
Thank you. Being a Presonus guy for the last 12 years this was very helpful. I've never used Presonus speakers before, but I've used A LOT of their other electronics. You referenced to content creators, whom I watch regularly, which only sweetened the deal. I'll DEFINITELY be looking into trying them out in my arsenal.
I agree with you! Great boxes for what they are. One of the best speeakers Hugh Sarvis designed before he left Presonus. We have installed several of the CDL12p in churches and they cover well. We just received the CDL10p for an upcoming job and they sound very similar to the 12. The 12 has a little deeper, fuller bass, but not by much. Hugh Sarvis moved on and partnered with the Danish amplifier company, BLAZE. He has redesigned the CDL the way he originally envisioned the speaker and now calls them the Constant Beamwidth Loudspeaker, or CBL. We installed 3 CBL528 in a church and they resulted in much more crisp vocals compared to the CDL, but at the cost of lowend. They are all passive speakers currently, but will release active speakers sometime in the future. BLAZE is worth checking out and following. Very innovative company and only growing.
It sounds to me like these boxes have a gain staging issue, where the box's input section clips before the limiter in the DSP kicks in - which is why the DSP high pass filter doesn't solve the problem and a HPF on your mixer does. And also why adding gain in the DSP solves the problem too. It also makes me wonder if the clip light is actually indicating input clipping and not amplifier clipping. EDIT: Yep! I was right. Reading the manual helps, guys. Straight from the manual: "CLIP. The clip LED illuminates when the input signal has exceeded 0.5 dBFS, and the ADC is clipping, or when the amplifier exceeds the maximum upper limit (load dependent)."
This just doesn’t make sense in the fact that I have my output signal at -10 out of the mixer going into the boxes and it still wants to light up the limit and clip lights. Funny thing is that the speaker does not have any clip sounds like you would think you should hear when you overdrive or push too hard.
That, in fact, @@racesla is how I have finally solved the issue. I’ve set the speaker level to +6 and now the mixer has plenty of headroom without lighting any of the lights it shouldn’t
You stated 'Speakon" plug. That's confusing to those looking. It's a POWERCON plug. You made me double-check to make sure this wasn't a passive model LOL. 😉
It’s a constant curvature array. line array is totally different each box having multiple angles settings, and being able to shape coverage and throw exactly to the venue. they can be used in hangs of 16 boxes plus per side. Constant curvature array max is out at four maybe five boxes since you can’t change the angles of each box
have you heard the QSC LA108/112? if yes, how do they compare to these?🤔 every time i hear these speakers in a video, they seem to sound as if there's a hard cover on top of them, whereas in all videos, where you can hear the LA112s, the sound seems to be clear/pure🤷♂
Tambien lo he probado a +5 db y he podido disminuir el problema de limitación y clip, pero sigue no guardando relacion con el vúmetro de la salida stereo no llega ni a -10 db y el parlante empieza a limitar y marcar cliping, creo que esta vez lo subire a +10, creo que debe existir una relación entre los +10 db del parlante con el headroom de la mayoria de consolas que también es +10 db, para que la lectura del vúmetro de la consola sea la misma en la bocina.
@@seantallica2020 claro, no lo mencioné pero también inserto un limitador a -1 db, tengo la midas mr18 y ese "problema" es el que hay con los presonus CDL12P, por lo demás tienen muy buen sonido, muy nítido y no fatiga a los oídos en sus frecuencias altas como he podido experimentar con otros equipos aún incluso ecualizando y cortando frecuencias.
Hi, i just discovered your channel and i am enjoying it so much. I found it while searching for reviews for the cdl 12/10. I am currently a dj, i was in a band in my early years and helped with the sound as well. And doing a little bit of sound for bands and working on getting equipment for bands. Keep up the good work. Have you looked at the ld icoa 18 subs? I would love your review.
Hello just purchased a pair of worx audio technologies wave series 12A and a single 18 inch TL118SSL what has me confused is that in the front of the speakers it says presonus only payd $450 dlls in almost new condition for all 3
When I first learned about the clipping issue I adjusted to using a limiter so I wouldn’t limit again, if they cut off frequently you may need to use a limiter
@@seantallica2020 because I’m routing from a studio live series iii sound board to a stage box NSB32.16 AVB box on a 150’ cat 5 it mutes all my matrixes also
@@seantallica2020 so when they clip these speakers mute? All speakers ? I have a set of 4 cdl12p,s and two ult 18 , and I also daisychained EV Subs and for my monitor setup air 15’s and air 10’s
As I said that has not happened to me, or any speakers at all, just check your signal and maybe keep it from hitting the clip light alot, if you are keeping it safe, then you may have an issue with your power, for instance your amps in your CDL may be out and causes it to turn off
Question Sean if you were using 1box per side of the CDL 10/12 would you put the speakers at +5db and still put your mixer on -10db master fader to not clip.
In first Event log using these (Kodiak Christmas party) I did not know of these techniques, and I only had one per side, but I imagine it will do the same, just be aware of the hiss that comes from the amp, it’s low but in a quiet room it’s barely noticeable, so yes, pls go between +3 and 5 to test and let me know!
Hey Sean, nice review, enjoyed it. I've been looking at the csl12p speakers for a while and was thinking about getting them, as the dispersion would suit my gigs. I recently seen the cdl10p and it was great to find your review. I have a couple of questions. Was size audience would 1 cdl10p per side over a sub work for? And have you heard/used the cdl12p, and would it be worth the extra money for those? Our setup is 4 piece, drums, bass guitar, lead guitar and lead vox. Top 40 band. I'm not to worried about extra weight as we'd always have a few of use to lift. I'm currently using db technologies vio x12, one per side, over db technologies sigma s118 subs. I have the full sigma system for large events. Have you ever heard that? Thanks Sean!
Thank you for enjoying it! As for your first question, my first time running only 2 on each side(on top of 2 subs) I feel like if you can get it high enough, you can cover around 200+, these rock with spread and clarity, and even tho the 10P has only 6 drivers(opposed to 8 on the 12p) it’s still really loud and drives the sound. I have not heard any CDL line of speakers in person, I just trusted my findings, and my sweetwater Sales Engineer on that, and honestly I bet the only difference between the 10 and 12 is probably the low end output. For a 4 piece band I bet 2 CDL 12P tops is more than enough, I wanted 4 10Ps to have that extra +3dB of dispersion, and I was worrisome about the Clipping from the CDL line to help with that, and too be honest, try with CDL12s and let me know!! These 10Ps are working wonders for me!
@@seantallica2020 brilliant. Great, I think I'll give the 12s a go and see how they sound then! Thanks for the reply Sean. And keep the vids comin, love your content!
@@paddyeire96 Just thought I'd include my 2 cents on the CDL line. I am a professional systems integrator and I have installed several 4 speaker CDL12p arrays in churches, mostly. What I can say about them is that the coverage is incredible and very comparable with higher end line arrays. If you are worried about coverage and volume, they are the best bang for the buck. The sound quality is ok. When doing side by side comparisons for music play back with an older EV speaker, Presonus AIR series, and the OG Wood Worx speakers (same guy who designed the CDL, Hugh Sarvis) the mids and highs are not as crisp compared to a compression driver (but still sound better than a JBL. Haha.) The bass is where these stand the strongest. In most of the buildings we installed these, they don't need a sub, even with their worship bands. The CDL12p holds its own impressily well if you have a smaller gig. We only had one building we had to subs, but that was a much larger building. Live music is where these shine. Vocals pop out very well, which he mentioned in the video. Whether to get the 12 vs the 10, get the 12 if you are going to use them as standalone and 10 if with a sub. We just received a CDL10p and compared it with a 12 and they are very similar. The 12 has a deeper, fuller bass, but is very subtle a trained will only be able to pick out. The 6 drivers don't seem to create any more distortion than the 8 drivers on the 12, so no worries there. Bottom line, if you are worried about sound quality, stick with your DB techs. If you want more volume, coverage and versatility, get the CDLs. They are a very good speakers for the money. If you're also looking to replace your subs, get the new CDL18 for sure. I'm not sure if Hugh Sarvis designed them before he left Presonus, but he was known for his superior box designs (which is why the CDL is unique,) but presonus and Wood Worx subs have been some of the best subs out there for the money. Really under rated. Hope that helps.
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Hi Shawn - Great to see others spreading the word on the CDL series! Good luck with your cabinets and glad you are liking them so far. Even after almost four years with ours, we still are amazed at how they make our job easier!
They are amazing! I will keep showing like how you guys do!
Thank you. Being a Presonus guy for the last 12 years this was very helpful. I've never used Presonus speakers before, but I've used A LOT of their other electronics. You referenced to content creators, whom I watch regularly, which only sweetened the deal. I'll DEFINITELY be looking into trying them out in my arsenal.
I like to show what’s good only from experience! These I have had no issues.
I agree with you! Great boxes for what they are. One of the best speeakers Hugh Sarvis designed before he left Presonus. We have installed several of the CDL12p in churches and they cover well. We just received the CDL10p for an upcoming job and they sound very similar to the 12. The 12 has a little deeper, fuller bass, but not by much.
Hugh Sarvis moved on and partnered with the Danish amplifier company, BLAZE. He has redesigned the CDL the way he originally envisioned the speaker and now calls them the Constant Beamwidth Loudspeaker, or CBL. We installed 3 CBL528 in a church and they resulted in much more crisp vocals compared to the CDL, but at the cost of lowend. They are all passive speakers currently, but will release active speakers sometime in the future.
BLAZE is worth checking out and following. Very innovative company and only growing.
Vocals just POP with these boys and the coverage is so wide. I want the 10s real bad as center fills… Appreciate the S/O too! That’s dope of you man
Fo sho!! These bad boys rock!
Thanks for your review, I have done a few and always learn new stuff. Great job!
Thank you!
It sounds to me like these boxes have a gain staging issue, where the box's input section clips before the limiter in the DSP kicks in - which is why the DSP high pass filter doesn't solve the problem and a HPF on your mixer does. And also why adding gain in the DSP solves the problem too.
It also makes me wonder if the clip light is actually indicating input clipping and not amplifier clipping.
EDIT: Yep! I was right. Reading the manual helps, guys. Straight from the manual:
"CLIP. The clip LED illuminates when the input signal has
exceeded 0.5 dBFS, and the ADC is clipping, or when the amplifier
exceeds the maximum upper limit (load dependent)."
This just doesn’t make sense in the fact that I have my output signal at -10 out of the mixer going into the boxes and it still wants to light up the limit and clip lights.
Funny thing is that the speaker does not have any clip sounds like you would think you should hear when you overdrive or push too hard.
@@sound4uaudiovideorecording927 Your going the wrong direction. Set you input at +5 should solve the input clipping problem.
That, in fact, @@racesla is how I have finally solved the issue. I’ve set the speaker level to +6 and now the mixer has plenty of headroom without lighting any of the lights it shouldn’t
@@sound4uaudiovideorecording927 👍
Thank You Great Review
Great Video got them from AMS American Music Supply
Thanks!
You stated 'Speakon" plug. That's confusing to those looking. It's a POWERCON plug.
You made me double-check to make sure this wasn't a passive model LOL. 😉
I realized my mistake and put it in the description, also a Speakon can’t fit in the power con locking insert, so we are in the clear 😅
It’s a constant curvature array. line array is totally different each box having multiple angles settings, and being able to shape coverage and throw exactly to the venue. they can be used in hangs of 16 boxes plus per side. Constant curvature array max is out at four maybe five boxes since you can’t change the angles of each box
That is true, I totally forgot knowing you have to change the angle to fit on a pole.
Pole you can do only two. If you want three, you must use the fly bar
Awesome video, would you recommend these for a Dj playing in big halls ?
Yes, definitely! I’ve used this in big buildings, and long halls! I recommend having the height at least 6’ so it will throw farther
have you heard the QSC LA108/112? if yes, how do they compare to these?🤔 every time i hear these speakers in a video, they seem to sound as if there's a hard cover on top of them, whereas in all videos, where you can hear the LA112s, the sound seems to be clear/pure🤷♂
Tambien lo he probado a +5 db y he podido disminuir el problema de limitación y clip, pero sigue no guardando relacion con el vúmetro de la salida stereo no llega ni a -10 db y el parlante empieza a limitar y marcar cliping, creo que esta vez lo subire a +10, creo que debe existir una relación entre los +10 db del parlante con el headroom de la mayoria de consolas que también es +10 db, para que la lectura del vúmetro de la consola sea la misma en la bocina.
Además, como mencioné más adelante en el vídeo, tengo un limitador en la salida para ayudar
@@seantallica2020 claro, no lo mencioné pero también inserto un limitador a -1 db, tengo la midas mr18 y ese "problema" es el que hay con los presonus CDL12P, por lo demás tienen muy buen sonido, muy nítido y no fatiga a los oídos en sus frecuencias altas como he podido experimentar con otros equipos aún incluso ecualizando y cortando frecuencias.
Just subscribed. From Miami. I’m really considering the CDL10P
Crisp sound, must watch out for clip light and your good, I have a limiter at the end of my chain so I don’t hit that anymore!
@@seantallica2020 How would they handle for out door events?
@@THEREALDJREDD they handle well, my next event this Friday I will show a sound check and I use 4, and they are amazing
@@seantallica2020 OK Looking forward to it.
Hi, i just discovered your channel and i am enjoying it so much. I found it while searching for reviews for the cdl 12/10. I am currently a dj, i was in a band in my early years and helped with the sound as well. And doing a little bit of sound for bands and working on getting equipment for bands. Keep up the good work. Have you looked at the ld icoa 18 subs? I would love your review.
Thank you for enjoying it! And I have not looked into those!
I need help with clipping
@@mendezmuzik on the speaker add up to +6 on the knob, and add a HPF up to 100Hz, the lows are also the problem
Hello just purchased a pair of worx audio technologies wave series 12A and a single 18 inch TL118SSL what has me confused is that in the front of the speakers it says presonus only payd $450 dlls in almost new condition for all 3
Hey ! Has it happened to you that your speakers cut off when they peak ?
When I first learned about the clipping issue I adjusted to using a limiter so I wouldn’t limit again, if they cut off frequently you may need to use a limiter
@@seantallica2020 because I’m routing from a studio live series iii sound board to a stage box NSB32.16 AVB box on a 150’ cat 5 it mutes all my matrixes also
@@seantallica2020 so when they clip these speakers mute? All speakers ? I have a set of 4 cdl12p,s and two ult 18 , and I also daisychained EV Subs and for my monitor setup air 15’s and air 10’s
As I said that has not happened to me, or any speakers at all, just check your signal and maybe keep it from hitting the clip light alot, if you are keeping it safe, then you may have an issue with your power, for instance your amps in your CDL may be out and causes it to turn off
Question Sean if you were using 1box per side of the CDL 10/12 would you put the speakers at +5db and still put your mixer on -10db master fader to not clip.
In first Event log using these (Kodiak Christmas party) I did not know of these techniques, and I only had one per side, but I imagine it will do the same, just be aware of the hiss that comes from the amp, it’s low but in a quiet room it’s barely noticeable, so yes, pls go between +3 and 5 to test and let me know!
Hey Sean, nice review, enjoyed it. I've been looking at the csl12p speakers for a while and was thinking about getting them, as the dispersion would suit my gigs. I recently seen the cdl10p and it was great to find your review. I have a couple of questions. Was size audience would 1 cdl10p per side over a sub work for? And have you heard/used the cdl12p, and would it be worth the extra money for those? Our setup is 4 piece, drums, bass guitar, lead guitar and lead vox. Top 40 band. I'm not to worried about extra weight as we'd always have a few of use to lift. I'm currently using db technologies vio x12, one per side, over db technologies sigma s118 subs. I have the full sigma system for large events. Have you ever heard that? Thanks Sean!
Thank you for enjoying it! As for your first question, my first time running only 2 on each side(on top of 2 subs) I feel like if you can get it high enough, you can cover around 200+, these rock with spread and clarity, and even tho the 10P has only 6 drivers(opposed to 8 on the 12p) it’s still really loud and drives the sound.
I have not heard any CDL line of speakers in person, I just trusted my findings, and my sweetwater Sales Engineer on that, and honestly I bet the only difference between the 10 and 12 is probably the low end output.
For a 4 piece band I bet 2 CDL 12P tops is more than enough, I wanted 4 10Ps to have that extra +3dB of dispersion, and I was worrisome about the Clipping from the CDL line to help with that, and too be honest, try with CDL12s and let me know!! These 10Ps are working wonders for me!
@@seantallica2020 brilliant. Great, I think I'll give the 12s a go and see how they sound then! Thanks for the reply Sean. And keep the vids comin, love your content!
@@paddyeire96 thank you so much!! Let me know how those do!
@@paddyeire96 Just thought I'd include my 2 cents on the CDL line. I am a professional systems integrator and I have installed several 4 speaker CDL12p arrays in churches, mostly. What I can say about them is that the coverage is incredible and very comparable with higher end line arrays. If you are worried about coverage and volume, they are the best bang for the buck.
The sound quality is ok. When doing side by side comparisons for music play back with an older EV speaker, Presonus AIR series, and the OG Wood Worx speakers (same guy who designed the CDL, Hugh Sarvis) the mids and highs are not as crisp compared to a compression driver (but still sound better than a JBL. Haha.) The bass is where these stand the strongest. In most of the buildings we installed these, they don't need a sub, even with their worship bands. The CDL12p holds its own impressily well if you have a smaller gig. We only had one building we had to subs, but that was a much larger building. Live music is where these shine. Vocals pop out very well, which he mentioned in the video.
Whether to get the 12 vs the 10, get the 12 if you are going to use them as standalone and 10 if with a sub. We just received a CDL10p and compared it with a 12 and they are very similar. The 12 has a deeper, fuller bass, but is very subtle a trained will only be able to pick out. The 6 drivers don't seem to create any more distortion than the 8 drivers on the 12, so no worries there.
Bottom line, if you are worried about sound quality, stick with your DB techs. If you want more volume, coverage and versatility, get the CDLs. They are a very good speakers for the money. If you're also looking to replace your subs, get the new CDL18 for sure. I'm not sure if Hugh Sarvis designed them before he left Presonus, but he was known for his superior box designs (which is why the CDL is unique,) but presonus and Wood Worx subs have been some of the best subs out there for the money. Really under rated.
Hope that helps.
No not a speakon cable for power. It's called a powercon cable.
Thank you.
Reach out to GC Pro next time. Better pricing than sweetwater and much better service too. They are on the road as well so they can show demos too.
Porfavor un video en Español yo se que tu puedes-