I have 12 Cdl12p speakers. Make sure you are tuning your crossover between 18khz and 100hz and adjust the gain on each box to +2. You’ll be surprised how loud these things get. This gets the speakers really loud without the clipping effect.
That's a good idea and I tried that on another gig and was able to get a little more volume. I also tried them set to +4 and the mains out mixer at -5, but they still shut down off and on. I probably have some eq making something push too hard. I’m thinking about setting a limiter on the mains to see if that helps. I do like how they sound, and the price was great
Yea the crossover needs to be set to the speaker parameters. Most crossovers go up to 20khz. The boxes only can handle 18khz hence the limit. Set your crossover and it should help get these way louder and crisper for you
Hi Dustin. Nice video 👍 If you getting cut outs from CDL12p-s that means that you have older amps. I got first pair in 2022 and had the same issue. My PreSonus rep replaced them at no cost. Now I have 2 pairs and set them +3-5dB and they never cuts out.
Thanks! No kidding? At least there is light at the end of the tunnel. I'll make sure to keep an eye on which one goes out if it happens again. Thanks for the heads up!
Nice rig, and clever fix on the D6 clip! I have a sneaking suspicion that the "clipping" you're referring to in the CDLs is actually a full power cycle of the box (or protect mode) being caused by low voltage. I'm willing to bet that the outlets you have the PA plugged into are either very far from the breaker panel, or they have long extension cords plugged into them to get power to the stage (or a combination of the two). Long power runs will meter just fine without a load, but once a load (in this case, speaker at high volume) is applied, the voltage will sag and cause the speaker to shut down/mute its output. You can confirm this by metering the voltage while a speaker is on and at high volume. You could also use a circuit analyzer that will measure the impedance of the conductors to predict the voltage drop at various load levels - I have an Ideal 61-164 analyzer, but Klein recently released one that appears to be more affordable (RT390). If that turns out to be the issue, lower gauge extension cords (10AWG) will help you avoid the voltage drop, or sourcing different power from the venue may be a solution as well. I have a 50a distribution box I bring to some shows, and I've had some venues install a 50a/250v receptacle. Even if I don't need a full 100a at 120v, my cabling for the distro is 6AWG, which is able to tolerate the 20-40a required by my full system over a greater distance without worrying about the same sort of ill effects voltage drop would bring with even a 10AWG cord of the same distance.
Wow, I hadn't even considered it could be a power issue. Thanks so much for the detailed response, I really appreciate it. I'll definitely look into that!
I had a venue owner throw me out 15-20ft of extension cord. What I didn't realize was that behind the door he had the remaining unused 80+ft of a 100ft extension cable rolled up. During sound check at regular concert volume I had the QSC KW152 connected to that extension shut down. I've literally never had a KW152 shut down before under any circumstances. I power cycled it and continued on. At the beginning of the show, same thing happened. At break, I managed to get into that area, and when I saw the ridiculous roll of cable, I was like grrrrr, ran & got my own 25ft heavy gauge cable and everything was just peachy for the rest of the night. Don't under estimate voltage drop on long extension cables. Most class D amps with DSP's, even older ones like the K / KW series have under voltage protection, such that the amp shuts down when the line voltage gets too close to the power supply's rail voltage. Also, can you be specific... the Presonus CDL "Clip" light is input clipping. Only the "Limit" LED indicates the actual status of the amp itself. If "Clip" is on, your board is sending too hot. If LIMIT is on, then you are indeed over driving the CDL's amp.
I've only had a speaker shut down a couple of times, and that was during a much larger gig. Since then, I haven't had any issues. Someone suggested it might have been caused by a power problem.
I was actually panicked for a bit,. You'd think I'd have tape of some sort but I didn't. I got lucky. :) Someday I'll have a gig where it all goes as planned!
It was for what the venue wanted. I think the CDL’s clarity makes the bass seem softer in the video than it was in real life. With the band so close to the tables, I didn’t want to blast them with a wall of sound. The venue owners praised the sound several times because people could eat, talk, and enjoy the show. Next time, though, I’d probably add the extra subs. Just the like extra CDL, they would fill the sound a just a bit more without adding a ton of volume.
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I have 12 Cdl12p speakers. Make sure you are tuning your crossover between 18khz and 100hz and adjust the gain on each box to +2. You’ll be surprised how loud these things get. This gets the speakers really loud without the clipping effect.
That's a good idea and I tried that on another gig and was able to get a little more volume. I also tried them set to +4 and the mains out mixer at -5, but they still shut down off and on. I probably have some eq making something push too hard. I’m thinking about setting a limiter on the mains to see if that helps. I do like how they sound, and the price was great
Yea the crossover needs to be set to the speaker parameters. Most crossovers go up to 20khz. The boxes only can handle 18khz hence the limit. Set your crossover and it should help get these way louder and crisper for you
I used to think it was limiting due to only the low end but it also clips on higher end frequencies too
Hi Dustin. Nice video 👍
If you getting cut outs from CDL12p-s that means that you have older amps. I got first pair in 2022 and had the same issue. My PreSonus rep replaced them at no cost. Now I have 2 pairs and set them +3-5dB and they never cuts out.
Thanks!
No kidding? At least there is light at the end of the tunnel. I'll make sure to keep an eye on which one goes out if it happens again. Thanks for the heads up!
Nice rig, and clever fix on the D6 clip!
I have a sneaking suspicion that the "clipping" you're referring to in the CDLs is actually a full power cycle of the box (or protect mode) being caused by low voltage. I'm willing to bet that the outlets you have the PA plugged into are either very far from the breaker panel, or they have long extension cords plugged into them to get power to the stage (or a combination of the two). Long power runs will meter just fine without a load, but once a load (in this case, speaker at high volume) is applied, the voltage will sag and cause the speaker to shut down/mute its output.
You can confirm this by metering the voltage while a speaker is on and at high volume. You could also use a circuit analyzer that will measure the impedance of the conductors to predict the voltage drop at various load levels - I have an Ideal 61-164 analyzer, but Klein recently released one that appears to be more affordable (RT390).
If that turns out to be the issue, lower gauge extension cords (10AWG) will help you avoid the voltage drop, or sourcing different power from the venue may be a solution as well. I have a 50a distribution box I bring to some shows, and I've had some venues install a 50a/250v receptacle. Even if I don't need a full 100a at 120v, my cabling for the distro is 6AWG, which is able to tolerate the 20-40a required by my full system over a greater distance without worrying about the same sort of ill effects voltage drop would bring with even a 10AWG cord of the same distance.
Wow, I hadn't even considered it could be a power issue. Thanks so much for the detailed response, I really appreciate it. I'll definitely look into that!
I had a venue owner throw me out 15-20ft of extension cord. What I didn't realize was that behind the door he had the remaining unused 80+ft of a 100ft extension cable rolled up. During sound check at regular concert volume I had the QSC KW152 connected to that extension shut down. I've literally never had a KW152 shut down before under any circumstances. I power cycled it and continued on. At the beginning of the show, same thing happened. At break, I managed to get into that area, and when I saw the ridiculous roll of cable, I was like grrrrr, ran & got my own 25ft heavy gauge cable and everything was just peachy for the rest of the night. Don't under estimate voltage drop on long extension cables.
Most class D amps with DSP's, even older ones like the K / KW series have under voltage protection, such that the amp shuts down when the line voltage gets too close to the power supply's rail voltage. Also, can you be specific... the Presonus CDL "Clip" light is input clipping. Only the "Limit" LED indicates the actual status of the amp itself. If "Clip" is on, your board is sending too hot. If LIMIT is on, then you are indeed over driving the CDL's amp.
Nice set up! May i ask what specific lights are u running over the band? Looks good and bright. Thanks!
It's a odd light that I use for front lights, its the Chauvet DJ Wash FX Hex. I like that it has amber in it.
@@DustinRadtke many thanks. yes the amber is perfect for front lighting the stage
4:06 and how do you work with such clipping? Also, I wanted to ask if 12P version is enough for cover-bands?
I've only had a speaker shut down a couple of times, and that was during a much larger gig. Since then, I haven't had any issues. Someone suggested it might have been caused by a power problem.
Atleast you didn't have to E-Tape that D6. I like the Velcro idea. haha
I was actually panicked for a bit,. You'd think I'd have tape of some sort but I didn't. I got lucky. :)
Someday I'll have a gig where it all goes as planned!
Where was this?
Were 2 CDL's and a single sub on each side powerful enough, because in the video they sounded a little underpowered.
It was for what the venue wanted. I think the CDL’s clarity makes the bass seem softer in the video than it was in real life. With the band so close to the tables, I didn’t want to blast them with a wall of sound. The venue owners praised the sound several times because people could eat, talk, and enjoy the show.
Next time, though, I’d probably add the extra subs. Just the like extra CDL, they would fill the sound a just a bit more without adding a ton of volume.
@@DustinRadtke Thanks, do yoyu think this setup would still work for a larger event?
Dude love your content, you need to invest in a bigger trailer. You can see mine in my videos. Were sending out our cdl12p boxes for events soon.
When I'm making Dream Entertainment money I'll upgrade! :)
I'm not sure I could pull larger one with my Highlander, but a 6x10 would be nice.