INEOS GRENADIER OFF & ON ROAD REVIEW : FORGET THE DEFENDER😱
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- INEOS Grenadier 2023, In this weeks episode we check out the INEOS Grenadier, the defender inspired brand new 4x4 and explore it on and off road and check out its features! Let us know what you think of the car below! Thanks for watching! :)
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Hey team, this version is the 5 seat Utility Version of the Grenadier which focuses on a balance of payload and passenger carrying capability whereas the Station Wagon focuses more on passenger comfort which has more space in the rear.
I collected my Grenadier on 22/04/2023, nearly 8000 miles later, I love it. It has replaced an '89 LR110CSW. I did not get on with the New Defender, too much driver assist, too many brittle plastic bits and a nasty feeling that it would be a pig to keep on the road after 10 years and 200k miles. Ineos Automotive have some promises to keep, but the build quality is old school, ('60-70s), Mercedes, the running gear would seem robust for a locomotive and the component suppliers read like a who's who of the best of auto tech. I intend to keep the Grenadier until I have to surrender my driving licence, so 20+ years, 300k miles
I have exactly the same plan for my Trialmaster. Hopefully it works out.
I went on a test drive and had a hard time getting used to the feel of the steering. Is it any easier to get used to over several thousand miles?
@@joetz1 Yes; most big live axle 4x4s are quite similar in steering feel, so prior experience helps. If you are new to it, it will feel weird.
Glad to hear you like it. Saw one at a car show and was very impressed. Pricey for me, but way less than a G Wagon and or LR.
This is the coolest car to be released in a long long time. Just pre ordered mine
Awsome Dylan. Thanks for sharing with us. You are gonna love it. What version did you go for. Thanks for chatting with us 🤗
@@CarChatTV I ordered the wagon. Can’t wait!
I was told it’s a 10k dealer mark up. So, I’d likely have to wait a few years and buy used.
Ford recapturing the Bronco, and now Ineos capturing the spirit of the old Defender. Love the classic lines.
Wish the International Scout would come back
Dude.. I wouldn’t say too much about the off-road test section. That was a dirt road. 😬
It wasn’t that dramatic was it lol I was on strict orders not to do anything too mental with it. there were some really deep crevices tho that the camera didn’t pick up. Trust me 😜
You are not a off road driver 100%. You didn't look, didn't speak about the build in features for off roading. This is not a SUV as the new defender is. You didn't compare it with old Defender. To me it felt like a click bait. very poor test.
This vehicle is an absolute beast, weighing in at c.2.7 tonnes and is a fantastic piece of engineering. I had a 2018l 3.2lt diesel LWB Shogun (weighing in at c. 2 tonnes) and the mpg on that was also pretty low at c 23-25mpg. But it is essentially a big, heavy, rugged utility vehicle, engineered to last and do exactly what it was designed to do, unlike some of it's close rivals! I suspect that the reliability will also beat many of the competition hands down to, but I guess time will tell on that point. I would certainly choose this vehicle over a Defender any day of the week. Sadly the price point is too high even for the entry level vehicles so it will be interesting to see if the new Toyota Landcruiser will dent the demand for the Grenadier or not? It is reportedly going to be coming in at c. £20k less than a Grenadier, so I suspect it might have an impact although they are both very different animals.
Thanks for the comment, and sharing your experience with the vehicle much appreciated. As you say it’s an absolute beast and we loved our time with it. You Just have to get used to the steering after a while. If Toyota come in with a £20k less option that will definitely give people something to think about. I love the warranty you get with this too! Thanks for chatting with us 🤗
Yes it weighs 2.7 tons but that means it can carry less than 1 ton before reaching it's 3.5 ton gvw.
@@andicog Which means that it is NOT classed as a dual purpose or commercial vehicle as far as HMRC tax is concerned. Which means that the 20% VAT is not reclaimable for VAT registered businesses. Which means that it is about £35,000 more expensive than a higher specified V6 Ford Ranger or VW Amarok as a working vehicle.
If you need a work vehicle & its only you & your work mate, go for the commercial 2 seater for space in the back. Commercial 5 seater only if you very occasionally carry more than one passenger or young kids but need something for work. Fieldmaster for those who need a family car & to go off road occasionally & the extra leg room in the back. The Trialmaster for those off road expeditions. Don't forget you can have any model with the additional front & back lockers (central diff lock standard on all models)
Then don't forget to use the "Off Road" button when off road as it turns off the sensors & seat belt warning "Dings" which can be annoying.
Not a car for everyone but boy, I love mine....
Brilliant advice, thanks for the comment and chatting to us. Which model do you have? Thanks again 🤗
As per the other comment, this looks like the commercial version with the additional loadspace that means a reduced back seat space.....pretty poor that this wasn't articulated in the video. The regular station wagon has quite a bit more rear legroom and a more angled back rest. You guys should do your homework! People watching this will get a wrong impression of the standard car, so please make sure you know your basics before posting.
Hey thanks for the comment! You are right. We literally realised this after it was too late. But we wanted to post the video anyway as it still shows some of the other elements of the car! We will pin a comment at the top so people know it’s the 5 seat utility wagon and not the station wagon! I hope you are also a fan of the Grenadier! Thanks again for chatting with us 🤗
You did a mighty fine job with this video, so don't take the criticism we're loading you with too seriously! From your video and various others I realize the steering in the Grenadier is less than perfect. The "off-road" piece you showed your Grenadier on was something I'd not be afraid to drive my wife's and my Buick Enclave on. As a general rule, we keep the big, heavy Enclave entirely off of dirt roads. Off road, at least on boulders and such, my Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is a far more capable vehicle than any long-wheelbase Land Rover I ever drove. (The 1972 88" Series III, s/n 25900379A, I had for 20 or so years fitted with 9.00 x 16 Michelin XS tires, could probably have outdone my Jeep Wrangler Rubicon off-road. Those tires, however, broke many rear half shafts (p/n 591378, 591379). Thanks for your videos! Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.@@CarChatTV
For your information this is most certainly NOT the utility version with reduced rear seat space. This is the full passenger version with the seats with additional legroom. How do I know? Because the panel behind the B pillar is fully glazed while the utility/commercial versions have steel panels, spot welded in a rather amateurish fashion over the large aperture. The utility version is pointless in the UK because it does not qualify for commercial vehicle tax concessions such as VAT and benefit in kind and offsetting against income tax. As yet even the two seat blind van does not qualify and neither does the Quartermaster. The van because Ineos have not registered it as such yet and the Quartermaster simply because like all the other two row variants, it does not, cannot and never will be plated to carry over a ton weight. That is because it has a tare of at least 2.6 tons taking a ton extra cargo over the magic almost universal 3.5 ton class gross limit.
I have the 3.0d, only getting 24mpg (UK)on a steady run, one person and 39llbs in the tyres. It’s a great vehicle, goes anywhere and built very well. Steering… I agree needs straightening wheel coming out of junction which can catch you by surprise sometimes. Onn my issues with leg room, foot space… all good.
For many years, 1964 to 1993, I drove, owned and did most of my own maintenance and repair work on various Series Land Rovers. I very dearly loved those vehicles and the company, the Rover Company, Limited, that built them. Things went down hill during the British Leyland (later B.L.) years. My favorite Land Rovers were the Series III vehicles. I've never owned nor driven a vehicle originally built with the DEFENDER nameplate on it. I had one 1982 Range Rover, as a grey market import, in 1982 to early 1983. Land Rover gearboxes, this is to say the "Series" gearboxes, both the all-synchro type (Series III), and the boxes that had synchromesh on 3rd and 4th speeds only, were not terribly reliable. I know of many broken layshafts and main shafts in the Series II & IIA boxes. I know of a few broken layshafts and main shafts in the Series III boxes. I have direct knowledge of hundreds, literally hundreds of broken rear half shafts in Series I, Series II, and Series III (10-spline) rear half shafts. (I also recall a good number of broken differential stub shafts in P-6 Rover cars, the 2000's and the 3500S'.) Rover's 2.6 litre overhead intake and side exhaust valve engine was long obsolete when Rover began installing it in the long-wheelbase Land Rover (circa late 1966 for the U.S. market). Inasmuch as I worked for various Rover & Land Rover dealers in the U.S., and from 1974 to 1986 owned a Land Rover & Rover parts business in the U.S., I strongly suspect the BMW six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines will be more reliable than the old Rover 2.6 liter six-cylinder petrol engines were. Ditto, the 2.25 litre Land Rover diesel engine. (Rover's 2.25 litre petrol engine was very reliable if given reasonable oil changes by its owners.) Also, I suspect the eight-speed ZF automatic gearboxes will be more reliable in service than any of the old Series manual gearboxes were in Land Rovers of the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, into the 1980's. I'm anxious to try an Ineos Grenadier once they've been in the U.S. market for a year or two. I've been driving Jeeps since April 2012. My 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, which to this day has only about 43,000 miles on it, has been THE most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. (I'll admit to having been hell on wheels from the age of 16 in 1964 up to my mid-30's when I stopped flying Land-Rovers through the air. I've NEVER driven one of my wife's and my Jeeps that way!) It is possible that the next vehicle my wife and I purchase may be---may be---a Ineos Grenadier. I am anxious to drive one. Andrew "Andy" McKane IV, 6 September 2023, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii, "Pearl Harbor McKane" on Facebook.
you are RINCE PANDREW.
the offroad part you are showing I can drive with my vauxhaull convertible as well, just flat with a bit of gras in the middle of the road
Thanks for the comment 🤗 sounds like you have a very decent Vauxhall then. Appreciate your time and chatting to us 😁
go proper offroading, like in sand / mud and rut or rock crawl, some inclines / declines about 30% and more, make a drive in lowrange use HDC...this is offroading 🙂 @@CarChatTV
Your in the commercial version so the rear seat is 90mm further forward than normal and the seat back more upright.
Drive the non commercial version and rear seat room is much better.
Thanks for the comment. Yes this is the 5 seat utility wagon and not the station wagon. We really want to try out the new quartermaster too! Watch this space. Thanks so much for chatting with us 🤗
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The utility wagon has steel panel rear sides rather than windows. What you have there is a basic wagon but not the utility wagon, so the rear seats will be, or should be in the ‘normal’ position, not shifted forward as for the utility wagon. The utility wagon is easily identified by its five seats but with a steel sheet attached by some rather obvious and ugly spot welds along both sides toward the rear.
WAITING TO SEE IF THE QUARTER MASTER COMES OUT IN THE STATES
Fingers crossed for you. Will be an Awsome thing if it does! Appreciate the comment 🤗
Ford’s Ranger has the same 800mm wading depth, great steering, superb comfort, 3.5 ton towing, 34 to 38mpg AVERAGE on road, ten speed automatic, more technology and safety systems, more room in the second row and far better access and no visibility issues to the side. 205hp and 500Nm torque which combined with the lighter tare weight and ten speed, gives similar performance. Full time 4wd on the road as an optional mode as standard on most models. The Ranger has a substantially longer wheelbase but turns in a foot less; the wheelbase is actually almost identical to Land Rover Defender 130 or Grenadier Quartermaster pickup. The clincher is that the Ranger is at least £35,000, and in most specifications £40,000 cheaper than the Grenadier for VAT registered businesses. There is nowhere in the UK that the normal motorist will notice and off-road performance difference between Grenadier and Ranger/Amarok. The enthusiast hobby off-roader will buy some old crock to abuse and dent not a £75,000 machine. No self respecting farmer will consider paying £70k+ for this when a Ranger/Amarok will be a more practical vehicle at an average of £35,000 cheaper even after paying £2500 for a colour co-ordinated optional rear hard top enclosure.
The Ineos Grenadier is, on the other hand, no match for the current Defender on the road for the luxury car buyer. For a similar price the Defender is leagues ahead for the driving experience and shear thought and experience that has gone into the design.
Ineos have gone to the trouble of designing and building a no compromise commercial vehicle that drives like a lorry with all the inconveniences while not ensuring that it can actually be classed as a commercial vehicle for tax purposes [which directly effects running cost] in many areas of the world, including specifically the UK. So it is firmly in the ‘rich ostentatious man’s toy’ [read that as ‘wnanker’] category rather than a working man’s tool of his trade.
Huw, absolutely love this comment🤗 thanks for sharing your thoughts, it is always great to hear from fellow enthusiasts and what they think about the cars we review. We would love to try a Ford Ranger at some point as have heard great things about them. We have in fact coming soon a pick up 4x4 around the £25k mark to see what it can do. Appreciate you taking the time to write us a lengthy comment. Thanks so much for chatting and connecting with us 🤗
at 14.30 there was an unexpected guest in the screen :)
Lol is that the bug! I’m so glad I didn’t see that. Would of screamed 😂
@@CarChatTV haha:)
Thanks for awesome review if the Ineos :)
ITGOBANGROVER MOUNTBATTENS are badges of CONFORMITY. nobody was ever supposed to try driving them.
Love your comment about Sir Jim. If this had been built in Bridgend, I think it would have been received with quite a bit more respect.
Great honest review, similar observations as Harry in Harry's Farm.
Ha ha cheers peter, appreciate you got my comment about Jim, it definitely didn’t resonate with others that left comments lol. I do think if he had it in Bridgend it would of been another British brand the peopel could get behind. But I’m guessing it was just down to money.
Thanks again for taking the time to leave us a comment and for the kind words. Appreciated 🤗
The best thing I can say... The Ineos Grenadier is NOT a Landrover!
Well that is very true! Thanks for the comment 🤗
Bellgraaaviaa???
😂 my dodgy accent right? Lol
Looking at all the write ups etc etc I think I would prefer to go old school and save myself £40k over a 2013 Defender, also the proper Defender will be worth more money than the Grenadier in 6/7 years time by a long way !!
A few thingies to remark.. - This is a proper utility. - NOT an SUV and of course the N1 utility version for sure has less rear seating space this is a regulatory topic. - If you need more space in the rear get one of the Bellstaff editions. Before you complain to certain things like recirculating ball steering vs rod n pine - Ask your self WHY? There are some reasons. Don't compare a Grenadier with a Chelsea tractor. In the beginning I thought you would compare the Grenadier to Original Defender. Sorry a bit disappointed.. You did not do your homework first by raising questions to yourself WHY is it like so and What is the purpose of it? So there might be a reason what Ineos Engineers did it like so. There may still be topics that are subject to be improved on Grenadier. But not this.
Thanks for the comment Klarie. And sharing your thoughts with us. Much appreciated 🤗
@@CarChatTV No problem. - I am about to receive a Fieldmaster Grenadier quite soon. Currently owning a JLR Discovery Sport. These 2 cannot be compared. - But I am also used to Original Defender 110 TDI - certainly capable but of course its design is still just post war. The automotive industry seem to have forgotten that there is still demand for real rugged vehicles. Hunters, Foresters, Farmers, Construction Workers, People who do live in remote areas, areas that get snowy, muddy - and no underground train every 2 minutes, neither Tesco 24/7 next door. Perhaps a bus once a day. These need robust, reliable transportation with lots of range and towing function. (Although I am from Germany - I spent some time in UK and IRL) Sir Jim just recognised the gap..
In the UK there is no good financial or other reason to buy the utility five seat wagon. Irrespective of seating position relative to cargo area, the mesh separator or the spot welded in steel side panels, it does not qualify as a commercial vehicle for tax purposes. Therefore VAT cannot legally be reclaimed by any VAT registered business. Therefore specced up to similar levels as the standard glassed station wagon, there is hardly any saving. Even the Grenadier QuarterMaster pickup does not qualify and never will qualify as a commercial vehicle in the UK, because it is just too heavily built and therefore is limited to a rated 600kg approximately of payload. To qualify as a dual purpose or commercial vehicle for tax purposes in the UK, any vehicle with a second row passenger seat must have a full one ton [1000kg or 2200lb] payload, which most conventional four door pickups do have.
What insect appears on the dash @14:27 in the video?
Ha ha good observation skills! We noticed that too and wondered if anyone else would! It was a big sucker wasn’t it! 👀
I have a 3 litre diesel and so far over 3,700 miles I have average 24.7 miles per gallon and I total love my car only issue is INEOS themselves the email contact only customer service is beyond terrible, average response is four to seven days and after five months of ownership I am still waiting for two of my extras ordered with the car and the software update as well. I have constant yellow and red warning lights coming on and off the dash, there are nine warning lights in total. My big concern is if INEOS cant sort the software out what if something major went wrong with the car and thats why we are making the difficult decision to sell it or not, my husband has been waiting five years for this vehicle and has no sense of humour left with INEOS and we are not Chelsea tractor types at all, the Grenadier hasnt even been clean since new. We use our vehicles for the purpose they were built for and thats why it very much looks like back to a 110, 2015 build year for us.
Why would they make an offroad focused vehicle without diff lockers?
Hey Pete, thanks for the comment. I know bit strange, should be standard on all its models. I think they want you to pay extra for the one that does have it I guess.
Hey Jim! Wheres the 6 speed?!?!
I've just taken delivery of Fieldmaster. The worst thing is the centre screen. Impossible to see in sunlight. Too finicky. With careful driving (diesel) I got 29mpg. I expect that to improve ( but I get 60mpg out of my Merc CLS on same route). Not so great on-road driving. I won't be going offroad (who would on £70K motor?) Ill be keeping the Merc and selling the Grenadier. I still have my old Defender and will use it for offroading and dirty working. Wife prefers the Defender! (Yes - that's weird!)
I thought you were going to go off road 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Need a 5 door Defender for a proper comparison.
Appreciate the comment mark. Thanks for chatting to us 🤗
They should have offered it with a ZF 6 speed manual as well as the automatic with fancy drive modes for those of us that were excited by all the talk of an analog vehicle we could personalize. If it had a 6 speed i could more easily forgive the complex turbo charged BMW mills.
And why no diesel for US?
Wish they sold it as a rolling chassis. Bare from the T-case up. So we could pick a Nissan 5.6 or Toyota 5.7 and a 6 speed. The body, frame, layout, I love it. Though Ive heard they are tricky to add larger Tires to. I probably wouldn't want to go much taller than 33 myself. Hope they make enough to find one with a blown engine and transmission before I die.
I'd be yanking the back seats anyway. Curious how big the wheel well humps are though, if there's 52 inches between I would be ecstatic, can live with 50 or 48 though. And from the back door to the back of the front seat, hope there's minimum 67, hopefully 70 to 78 inches. From where the front seat starts in a comfortable position. Is it a flat floor like a wrangler or floor welled like a cruiser or Xterra.
Once upon a time I vastly preferred manual gearboxes, even 4-speeds, to automatics. Then when I bought my Buick Enclave with a six-speed automatic, I decided I'm much happier with the six-speed automatic. I've since driven several 8-speed Enclaves and a dozen or so 8-speed ZF automatic Wranglers. Believe me, I'll never go back to a manual transmission, any manual transmission, after these six and eight-speed automatic gearboxes. (I'm seventy-five years of age, I might not have said this had I been in my twenties!) Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.
@@AJNpa80 Because after Dieselgate, BMW pulled the engine from the US. Ineos rely on the US certification of the engine by BMW.
Not sure there’s any information or opinion of real value in this video.
Ineos Grenadier, I certainly do not have issues pronouncing, the name it’s a very distinctive focussed specialist 4x4 vehicle not for everyone and especially not really for the hair stylists. Grenadier certainly has created a great vehicle with all the high quality components but it is also very heavy and thirsty, much more so than the LR Defender it promises to replace. I personally would love to own one but not sure I could either afford own it or to run it and I am the owner of a Defender 110 Station Wagon. Maybe I am not he target market either, pity!
Hey Peter, thanks for the comment and sharing your thoughts. Appreciate it 🤗
Analog they said.
Today, Offroad Mode they say.
They put an engine from the company that pumps coolant through alternator brackets in it.
Ill forgive it when they put a 6 speed in it.
Offer the diesel in the states. Though its probably ultra low sulfur with extra fluids.
Some BMWs require you to get a laptop and tell the computer when you change parts like an apple phone.
Was really excited when they were building a modern version of the truck to take into the sahara or congo but Id be afraid i wouldn't be able to get service for it on a trip in West Virginia let alone the most remote spots in the global south with a BMW Computer Engine in it.
Or offer a rolling chassis. That would be nice. But please, 6 speed Manual. ZF makes one. I had my card out for the deposit and was heart broken to learn it would not be.
Automatics are far superior, off and on road than manual. In virtually every way apart from its computer needing around 11V to function. As indeed does every other system on the vehicle anyway.
Deeply compromised and not that much cheaper than the new Defender, add to that it’s completely untested in the real world, everyone jumping onboard early is taking a massive risk, it was supposed to be cheap and British made, it’s neither of those things.
Also why did it need to look like a Defender from Wish?🤷♂️
25 mpg is horrendous for a modern vehicle, I get that in my TD5 130.
It’s too heavy, has so little payload it doesn’t qualify as a commercial so farmers won’t be buying it.
You could buy a good classic defender and put 30k into and still spend less than this🤷♂️
The "DEFENDERS" looks, going back to the Land Rover of 1948, was simply a matter of form over function. The DEFENDER (Series Land Rovers to me) were perfectly capable off-road vehicles in their day. That body design, off-road, was absolutely tops. I respect Ineos Grenadier for having tweaked it just a bit to make it what it is today. Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.