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Lee's new "M" style expanders
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2024
- Follow-up video demonstrating the new style with some that I picked up from Lee:
• Lee's new "M" expander...
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I just got a couple of these in the mail from Lee: ua-cam.com/video/hdmTi4ITv3E/v-deo.htmlsi=nDQCkU3dG1EfXm8g
Walter - Ohhh, my..!! After all these decades, Lee finally did the two step..!! I'll just have to mosey over to Lee and phone in some orders. Thanks for passing on this good news...the new reloaders coming into the sports shooting scene won't know what they've missed out on.... Best Regards, Steve.
Thanks, FC. I was certain that you would appreciate this as I did! Talk to you soon! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Really like your new Jacket and Hat! You are a great advertisement for LL Bean clothes for Over-the-Hill MEGA supporters…
Haha..thanks Grason. The shirt is from Bean as well I’ve always liked their gear! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Great information, Walter! This will help MANY of us!
Hi Marc! I’m glad you saw some value to this one! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Very informative video Walter, thank you. Subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted, shared ... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel, Amigo.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good job Lee. After I also researched this years ago, and I came to the same conclusion, and bought Lymans "M" dies or sets for all my pistol dies. So Lee must be listening to cast bullet reloaders, I know many have long been less than happy with the old die. Great video Walter and thanks for the screenshot.
Hi Paul. Thanks as always for taking the time to watch and leave a comment! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
NOE makes M style powder thru expander plugs for the Lee powder thru dies. I've been using them for about 3 months now and they work great, glad to see Lee finally get with the game!!
Hi Alan. Thanks for stopping by. Yes..I have a couple of the early NOE plugs, but they had a design flaw and didn’t end up using them. I think they have corrected the problem now. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good video Walter. Thanks for sharing. 👍🇺🇸
Thanks for stopping by, Dwayne! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Thank you Walter for this valuable information. That's good news for us casters and reloaders.
Hi Rick. Thanks for stopping by. Yeah..it takes Lee a while, but they do listen to us sometimes. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Awesome video Walter and thank you for sharing this with us.
Hi Chris. Thanks for stopping by. I value your comments, and the time you take to leave them. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
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Thank you so much for that Harie. That’s information that I did not have! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸🇦🇺
That’s great! I will order a new plug for my expander die. Thank you.
I have several now, Slide. All in pistol calibers, but they all work great so far. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Yes, it's hard to make one expander for all bullet types. I find the original expander over expands the case for plated bullets. So, I bought an extra one and reduced it a bit to save on case mouth cracks. If you are using the funnel adapter you can adjust the flare, but with the case activated powder measures, getting the full stroke will over flare.
Hi Curt, and thanks for stopping by. I have a bunch of turrets set up with different die sets. Generally, my MO is to batch-size the brass first on the APP, which is an extra step. That frees up station 1 for a Lyman-type expander. Then I just use a short charging die with the autodrum. That funnel does no expansion but activates the powder measure. The funnel insert can easily be moved from turret to turret along with the newer poder measure, leaving the die body itself ‘set’ on each turret. This process works for all my handgun rounds except those shorter than 40 S&W. For 9mm I’ve been using a 25 Auto expander funnel which also will activate the powder measure, yet not do any more expansion. The newly designed caliber-specific funnels may well eliminate the extra step of pre-sizing my brass.🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Glad you can buy just the plugs but I’m not paying the crazy shipping rates direct from lee. They wanted $11 to ship me the paper instructions that come with the die box. I don’t think so.
Yeah..their shipping is high unless you order $100 from them. Then it’s free.
Walter enjoyed the video. Thanks for the heads up.
Hi Willie. I hope you’re feeling better. I finally caved and am heading to the doc to find out whazzup, 👨⚕️🩺🤧🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a I’m giving it one more day. Let see how I wake up.
Hey Walter…a BIG THANK YOU for posting this video with the screenshot 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘!
Hiya BB. Thanks for checking in! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
vert interesting walter, will have to keep an eye out for them great video
Hey, Mac! Thanks for stopping by. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Yep, I was exchanging emails with Tammy at Lee Tech support about this yesterday and today. They said that they are in the midst of changing over to this new style expander plug. I was really happy to hear that news!
Also a heads up... if you using the older(longer die body) 357 Mag powder through die the new style expander plugs will not work, you have to order a new die because the new 38/357 powder though die are shorter then the old die bodies so they can do both 38 Special and 357 Mag.
Good to hear that you also had a conversation with them too, Papa. Lee has been busy lately with new gear. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
thanks Walter for sharing this info....
Hi Michael. Thanks for stopping by! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Its about time! ❤❤
Agreed. Good for new reloaders, but maybe not so much for others. Thanks, C-Dub 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
A little bit of investigative reporting from Viejo!
Hiya, Curtis! I’m sure your work is superior to what Lee has for us. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a I’m sure it takes me far longer to turn one out! 🙂
Great news! Thank you for the report.
Hi Michael. Thanks for stopping by! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Great reporting from the WNN. (Walter News Network) That reporter deserves a raise.
Hahaha! 😂I’m overpaid as it is, Tex! Thanks, though. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good to see this. I actually never had a problem with the Lee expander until I bought RCBS dies 😂.
Thanks Jesse. I only have problems with cast bullets. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a I never paid attention to the flare before. Then I noticed the difference when I got the RCBS dies. I couldn’t believe it.
Morning Walter that’s awesome thanks for sharing
Hi Ocean! Good to hear from you. I hope you are feeling ok! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Thanks Walter I’m coming along
Good information!
Glad you think so! I appreciate the comment. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Evening Walter 👉🏼💨
Hiya, Gene! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
The M from Lyman has nothing to do with the step on the expander. In their early diagrams showing the parts of their dies they used letters to indicate the parts. The letter M was used to indicate the expander. That is where the M in M type expanders came from.
Correct. The Lyman “M” die is their expander die, the designation being carried on expander die bodies. Lacking a better reference, we have used the term for many years a comparative reference for a stepped expander plug. Thanks for that addition. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Ok you have a second video. Thanks.
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Excellent news, Walter. Look at the views this one got. Congrats, Buddy.
Hi Jamie. Yeah.. over 1000 views in the first 24 hours. Folks must be interested! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a absolutely!! I am!
Definitely looks like a lot better way than just belling out the case mouth for cast. Next time I need a new caliber I’ll have to try one, but I sure don’t wanna have to switch out all my sets out when they still work. Just not as efficient unfortunately, the M die sure looks slick.
Hi TB. Thanks for stopping by. I’m with you in not wanting to purchase all new die sets! It looks like we’re going to be able to just purchase the plug as a separate part. For $3.00, I’d bite. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a now your talking!
I won’t buy anymore either but if they sell the plug sets, I’ll just call and order one for every kit I own. It sure is weird they’re not giving them a new part number to make it even more confusing for everybody.
@@tripplebeards3427 hang on a bit. I ordered a couple of dies today, and one solo plug from the list. I’ll do an update video when that stuff comes in. 🤛🏻🔫😝
@@viejo2a will do
Being an old school type, I was never a fan of Lee's stuff. I have many older Lyman and a few RCBS dies that, in my opinion, are far superior. I had bought a set of 45 Colt dies by Lee, and cannot stand the powder through expansion die. Further the seating die has an awful seating stem. I had bought this set to replace my old set of Lyman AA which I've used for decades. This was to replace the sizing die that was non-carbide. So I simply use the Lee carbide sizer, and the rest I use my old Lyman dies. I suppose I'm just the proverbial old dog that doesn't care to learn new tricks. 😅
Nah. You’re an old dog that has tricks the kids never heard or thought of! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good news, problem is I have already changed all my Lee expander dies to the lyman M die. I will have to try one of the new Lee expanders, once they make them more available. Thanks for the update, Walter
Thanks for stopping by, Duffer. I most likely will give them a shot at some point. There are a couple of Lee sets that I don’t have for my new-to-me calibers. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
4 sure. Same here
Great info Sir, I missed this one. Lee annoys me that they don't change part numbers or show revisions when they update their items.
Hi, TreeTop. Thanks for stopping by. I had some indexing problems with the new press. Might be the clutch. I’m going to have to call them
I have 7 on the list... on to part 2
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Lee FINALLY comes thru.
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Hi Walks! Yep. Thanks for checking in! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
These are for the powder through expander dies correct? Noe has been making M Style expanders to work in the universal expander die for a few years now. The make them in most any size you need. You can even get them in various diameters for the caliber. This way you can experiment with different expander sizes to change case neck tension.
Some cartridges, depending on the actual barrel specs use different bullet diameters. With different diameter plugs you can experiment to find which size works best with what diameter bullets you use.
A couple of examples are the 303 British and the 7.62x54R Russian. Depending on the barrel you can need bullets from .308 up to .312. these are all jacketed bullet sizes. Cast can be even bigger. Up to .314 or so. In my 7.62x54R I use bullets of about .311 for jacketed and .314 or .315 for cast.
Another are Marlin lever guns. Using standards for caliber work ok with jacketed but cast need larger. In my 1894 most any jacketed of .429 or .430 works fine, cast needs to be .433 or a bit more depending on the bullet design.
So being able to buy various expander plugs at reasonable price makes have several sizes for each caliber makes sense.
Correct, Leon. These are for Lee powder-through expander dies. We know about the NOE gear. Thanks for stopping by. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
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Hello Harie. Welcome to the channel. I appreciate the time you took to watch and leave a comment. It’s been many years since I visited Australia. A relative had emigrated there from England in the 1800’s, settling out near Longreach to become manager of a cattle station on the Darr River. 🤛🏻🔫🇦🇺
I just want the PTX inserts.
I am guessing they will show up on their what is new web page when they are confirmed.
This opens a hole on my (4) die turret.
Hi Cincy. I’m fairly certain that you can get just the expander/funnel part. I’m comfortable with batch-sizing my higher volume calibers on my APP, and using an M die in station 1 on the tool head for now. But it would be nice to have for new calibers. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
awesome!
Hi Kyle! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Walter, if you powder coat your cast bu llets you should resize them then reload it!
Hi Terri. Thanks for watching, I size my P/C bullets.
I have trouble with Berry’s 300 BO bullets. I might get myself an expander for it
Thanks for stopping by the bench and taking time to comment, Connor. I will try the couple I have ordered and see how they do before I get too excited about replacing more of mine. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
I'll be curious to know how good the new expander plug works with the autodrum.
Thanks for stopping by, Chaco. I have several autodrums. I have a few of the new dies ordered and will be testing them as soon as they arrive here at my bench. It should happen this week. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Hopefully they'll do rifle calibers soon also
Hi James. There are a couple of rifle calibers already on the list. I’m confident that the rest will be rolled out soon. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
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Thanks, Trees 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
CW showed it a few days ago
Hmmm… I usually watch all his stuff. I must have missed that one. I’ll check with him and find out what video it was so I can see what he had to say. He doesn’t usually think much of Lee dies. Thanks, Andy. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
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Thanks, Six. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Oversize cast bullets? Why? What about bullet sizing? Got a Lyman Lube sizer, and a simple Lee bullet sizer, no issues loading cast bullets with the old dies for 40 yrs
Thanks for stopping by Willie..I size my cast bullets to diameters larger by .001-.002 than standard sizes for jacketed or plated. That makes them “oversized”. I too used older style expanders for years when I used the lube-a-matic to size. Scraping the bullet against the case mouth with a traditionally lubed bullet is not a problem. We just remove any lead ring that may form, right? But for my powder coated cast bullets, the M style expander works better. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Ok. but I guess you slugged your gun for dia. and needs a bit larger bullets. Otherwise why overbore?. Not questioning, just courious? Nunca acabamos de mejorar lo que esta perfecto. Pero que divertido. Abrazo@@viejo2a
@@WillyK51 Ho again, Willie. I do, indeed slug my barrels. Sizing cast bullets to larger than bore diameter does a couple of things. First, it ensures that the bullet will completely obturate the barrel. This helps it fully engage the rifling which can aid in accuracy. Secondly, this helps prevent gas blow-by that may cut lead from the bullet’s sides and deposit it ahead of the bullet. This will cause undue leading in the barrel which will quickly detract from accuracy. Also, it is important for my bullets to be at least as large, or slightly larger than the cylinder throats in a revolver. Again, I want that round to completely seal those cylinder throats to prevent blow-by giving rise to leading in the forcing cone and/or barrel. Revolver cylinder throats are generally larger than bore diameter. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Does anyone know why there is a shortage of lee loadmaster shell plates?
Welcome to my bench., and thanks for watching. Midway shows lots of stock on those shell plates right now. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
I may have talked to the same person at Lee thats who i got the neck expander stems from
I didn’t know you had gotten new ones. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a yea I finished expanding those 30-06 case into the 44-06
So I'm guessing you don't actually have one of the newer plugs. I say that because if you do, did, why didn't you actually show the difference.
The ones I ordered hadn’t arrived at the time I did this intro video. There’s a follow up video as linked in the description box and the first comment pinned at the top of the comments list that demonstrate the comparison. Thanks for stopping by! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Easier fix would be to put MORE flare on the case. You know screw the die in more. SMDH
Hi, and thanks for watching. Putting additional flare on the case generally does not work for me for two reasons. First, the bullet will not sit squarely in the case and is apt to seat crooked as a result unless guided with the fingers up into the throat of the die. Secondly, an over-flared case can scrape the inside of the seating die. Besides the obvious scurfing up of the walls of that die, the case can begin to fold into the bullet. That’s not necessarily a bad thing unless the bullet has started crooked, in which situation PC or lead may get scraped. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
I emailed and will find out if it is possible to order the new part for 9mm. When I get a response I will post back here
Hi 3006. It’s available. It’s on the list that I posted in the video. I’ve already ordered a couple 9mm stems for my self. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@viejo2a yes thanks I ordered one too it works well.
Why aren't you sizing your cast bullets before you load them?
Hi, and thanks for watching. I do size them before loading. I size them larger than bore diameter though, and that puts them .001-.002 larger diameter than most plated or jacketed bullets in caliber. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
@@viejo2a I thought I noticed that your cast bullets were polymer-coated. I hope you size them both before & after coating them!
@@tkarlmann hi again. I do not size before powder coating. I realize no benefit from doing that, and unlubed bullets are sticky in the sizing dies and sometimes lead builds up on the walls of the die. My bullets size just fine after powder coating. Do you ‘double-size’ your cast bullets? If so, what benefit are you seeing to that? 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Thanks for stopping by, RTac! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
It because of the Polymer on the bullet
Hello, and thanks for watching, Steemer. It’s not about the powder coat. It’s about our softer cast bullets being scraped by the case mouth. It’s happens with traditionally lubed bullets as well but it’s not quite so problematic since we can simply remove any lead ring that gets shaved up. Those bullets still retain all the lubricant. With PC bullets, the PC IS the lube, and I don’t want the bare sides of the bullet exposed. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good stuff, should make things better
Hi Lenny. Thanks Amigo. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
I'm betting he doesn't size the lead bullets, or he sizes them after he powder coats them.
All my sized lead bullets work just fine.
Thanks for stopping by the bench. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Good video Walter, personally I'm done with Lee
Understandable. I know that you had more than your share of trouble with them. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Light on press almost too bright for video
Hi Jay. Yeah..you’re right about those lights. I usually remember to turn them off first. Sorry. Thanks for watching. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
well done thank you in qld. aust.
Howdy, Harie. It’s good to hear from you! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸🇦🇺
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Thanks, Glen 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸