Speech pathologist here. The part where you talk about your own style of ending a phrase (26:00 where you end the word shame like this: "shame-AH") is actually a really good technique to get rid of excess tension in your throat. It's like hitting a reset button before taking your next deep breath and when I practice with people who are using too much tension in their everyday speech patterns this is something I will give them as an exercise.
Can you elaborate on the exercise you give them? I think I have too much tension in my speech, which translates to my singing, which translates to my attempt to learn screaming of course. I lose my voice just from singing without any distortion.
As a student of Justin's, none of this is BS... he literally explains everything that he is talking about in this video, yet he goes even deeper and it helps. TAKE LESSONS PEOPLE, SAVE YOUR VOICE!
Mad respect for going back to update this people generally dont want to admit when they've made a goof so i really appreciate you doing this, as someone who wants to learn how to do metal vocals safely.
One person who very clearly saves a scream for studio recordings is Matt Honeycutt from Kublai Khan TX. To be quite honest I don't know how he does his technique in studio. It's incredibly unique. But live he switches to what seems to be fry screams. His studio vocals seem either very taxing on his stamina or his vocal cords. Either way man is a beast.
Matt Heafy from Trivium does the same thing. Live he does sort of a fry scream, and in the studio he just screams straight from his throat. He did it live until 2014 when he blew out his voice
I’m pretty sure Vincent from The Acacia Strain does something similar as well. Beefy false chords with lots of voice in the studio (or something else) and all fry on the stage. I’ve seen TAS and Kublai Khan both a bunch live and vocally they sound completely in person
16:30 balloon analogy 🎈 18:30 diaphragm and stomach explanation (gas pedal) 21:30 where I left off So far feeling like a paid-for vocal lesson, minus the 1-1. Thank you for this. I've always struggled with screaming/singing
You're a beast and a great communicator/coach. Loved the statement at the beggining differencing between "studio screams" and "tour screams" as these CAN'T BE THE SAME. Learned to switch a while ago though but this information is priceless!
It's really cool seeing you go through your old video and correcting yourself. It really shows how much you've grown as a vocalist and I respect tf out of that Side note, it's crazy seeing how far you've come as a vocalist. I remember seeing your Hungry Lights covers a few years ago and thinking you were a really cool, unique sounding vocalist. Fast forward to like a month and a half ago, I saw Tallah at Rockville and you were EASILY one of the best live vocalists I've ever seen
I'm so glad you made this, not just for me who's been at it for 11 years but for people starting out. That fucking sound at 6:23 made me shake dude. I started trying harsh vocals when I was 15 and my false cord-type screams had that sound all over and, just as you said, it didn't feel like it hurt at all, maybe a little feeling of strain but hey, I was used to thinking harsh vocals were a bit risky, didn't know better. It came to a point, not even 6 months into doing those screams on a weekly basis PLUS not taking proper time to rest after getting mononucleosis, my voice was 100% FUCKED. Trying those screams again sounded even worse and I even became scared of trying. Now I'm doing great, It's been years of learning how to actually do that stuff proper, and a lot of what I learned came from your vocal tips live/on socials and seeing you as a great standard for a modern metal tenor guy. But the thing is, You've also grown a fuckton as a vocalist since that video from 2016, you were already good but now you've learned a lot about how YOUR voice works and how it translates to other people's voices. Mad fucking respect. TL;DR You're doing a great service man.
Lol I have kind of a similar story as well. I I was around 14 yo and while straining to mimick Chester Bennington's screams (of course all in vain lol), I just damaged my throat so hard that I tasted some blood. Stopped talking altogether for a few hours and after that I somehow tried easing into it, don't even remember how or when I actually got it right cause it was so long ago. But eventually I found myself doing (somewhat safer) fry-ish screams. They can tire me a bit after a long while, but I rest right after, and I've been steadily improving ever since, thanks to Justin and Kardavox academy's videos (check him out, he's a lifesaver!) At this point people I've showed my effort to actually love the screams.
This is probably the most informative vocal video I've ever seen. This is a really well put together, well explained and overall fantastic video. Cool to see you correct your own misinformation, all the corrections and information was awesome to get
Got to meet Justin at Rockville honestly didn’t know of Tallah at the time but holy shit the fucking energy, showmanship, and even just friendliness blew me away. I got to meet him and talk for a second I could tell he was a solid dude and ever since you been on my playlists
I don't log in to UA-cam anymore, just signed in to write this: Oh my god. Justin. This is literal gold. I have never learnt so much in an hour, and so many important things in an hour. You are doing the world a favour. Thank you.
This is invaluable advice for me on my vocal journey. Thank you for taking the time to analyze & correct your past work! I made sure to take lots of notes. You do have an amazing grasp & a breadth of knowledge on vocals AND the ability to explain things in layman's terms which is much appreciated !
I saw you opening for Avatar in Madison WI this past September, and even though I had never heard your music, I was quite impressed by your performance. You guys were awesome!
It is so cool to see how much you've learned and how in-depth your knowledge of vocal technique has become! I remember watching your 2016 video when it came out dozens of times to try and learn how to scream, and I definitely remember having problems with discomfort when I tried that hybrid technique. I've managed to mostly remedy the issue on my own since then, but this video is going to be super helpful going forward. Thanks for this!!!
I’ve only been screaming for about a week and have been attempting highs with false chord. The noise you demonstrated is the exact same as what i’ve been doing and had know idea that it was harmful because it didn’t hurt. However i was losing my voice slightly and had no clue why. Thank you so much for this video, it was incredibly insightful.
Hey! thank you very much for the follow up video :) I was already screaming and growling before i Saw your first video and i remember really beeing surprised by how it was totally different from how i would've described the experience of screaming. This follow up suddenly makes everything right. It describes most if not every aspect how i experience them as well! It makes me happy and reassured. So thank you :) cheers from France ! Good Luck ;)
The first tip with regards to the false chords trashing your voice is something that I experienced myself but have never heard anyone say before. Recording my false chord vocals was the toughest shit ever, even though I felt no pain. Recording with a sort of powerfry scream now is a lot better, my voice doesn’t get damaged, only tired
I honestly really like that this videos is so long, it's really informative and I didn't know and wouldn't have known a TON of this stuff if it weren't for this video. Thank you Justin :D
Been doing vocals for about 4 years and In all honesty I had no idea you could get low exhaling. So I started doing inhales. Fast forward 4 years I figured out what a false chord was and the terminology and I’ve been working on it ever sense. But I won’t lie my inhales have morphed into something unique and beautiful. I can compete and sound just like a false chord screamer. I use it a lot less now since I want to keep screaming for as long as I can.
Same here. I've done inhales for about 3 years and they don't sound super sucked in, for lack of a better term, unlike most inhale screamers sound like Decimate The Weak era Winds Of Plague or Oli from Archspire when he does them which is not very often. I've never had any major pain with them at all, sometimes if I push too hard it hurts a tiny bit, then I stop for the rest of the day. I know I should learn how to do a proper false chord or fry scream though, given all the bad rep that inhales get. I have the foundation of the fry scream down but haven't been able to give it much power. False chord I completely can't figure out.
@@The_JustJoshing sucked in was the word I was looking for. For me it doesn’t sound like a inhale when taking a deep breath. It has distortion and and meaty sound to it, now and with mouth and tongue manipulation I can get the sound to replicate tunnels and all those. I can also activate my nose and suck in air from nose to get this weeping demon sound and when I add a little more throat action I get this gnarly demonic sound that is super unique. Prolly not a good thing tho lol. As for fry, thats my main technique, I can do all the different renditions of it. It’s been about 4 months or so since I started doing false chord and I can activate at will now. Keep going at it man stay away from inhaling as much as you can I’m trying to do the same.
That old video taught me a lot. I learned how to manipulate my sound quite a bit, and it's really helped my range. I can extend higher than a mid, and my deeper voice lets me make good use of my lows. I'm not much of a vocalist anyway, but I like being able to scream along as I'm driving, and once I'm comfortable with composing songs, I want vocals in my toolkit moving forward anyway.
I just love the Information that nowadays is out there on yt. Hopfully in the future we get some recordings from inside the body if Will is doing that with the charismatic voice
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cradle of Filth or Dir En Grey for the reed sounding one. I think my favorite moment with it in CoF is 6 minutes and 20 seconds into "you will know the lion by his claw" def check it out whenever you get the time!
You made a very good point by saying the buzzer/barking noise with the true-folds was no bueno when turned into a scream. Also this technically counts as one of the only mixed drive scream tutorials on the internet, so congrats.
The best part of all of this video is how he comes forward with his old false information and completely backs them up with new proven information. Growth is a beautiful thing, but what's even better is when it's reflected upon. 😁🤘
I just wanted to say thank you. I've been practicing this for 2 years plus and seen slow but steady improvement. I've heard it before, but the simple way you explained having a mid and just manipulating that - that is going to be a game changer for me, it improves my sound instantly and when I get it under my skin as a habit i am certain that it will do me very very well. Thank you so freaking much!
You're so down to earth. I've been watching you for a while and have recently wanted to try and start practicing screaming. I respect that you take the time to explain everything, as well as picking apart your old videos. Keep being you, Justin! Rock on!
God dayum, this is literally the best harsh vocals tutorial on the internet! Dude knows A LOT, and it really shows. Just look how easy he can prove the point by just doing the thing! You want this kind of distortion - here it is, stripped naked. Or you want to hear the note behind the scream - done. Also I wanted to point out that you are the only one, who showed the example of a mixed (fry+false chords) scream. Because I always wondered why no one talks about mixing them if they are different in nature) And only now I get it, thank you)
Thank you so much Justin, I really been needing more advice for my metal vocals, I'm only in a highschool band but I'm the only one in the school who could do a deep low vocal growl screams
This was insanely informative yet again!! I remember watching 2016 Justin showing me these ultimate techniques. Listening to you talk is incredible dude, honestly you should start a podcast, bring the band on and talk about your creative process and writing.... but back to what I was here for, this video is amazing. Glad to hear it from the perspective of a vocal coach, years ago the only things you could find on screaming were awful, crazy YT vids, warped tour short videos of a vocalist saying “I’m with the vocal coach of warped, she really helps me out, she knows her stuff” and then that’s all you had! Came along your video, then came along my band and further vocal lessons now I watch this and understand it so much more in depth than I once did. I understand the major differences in what I was... ahem... attempting and failing to do once upon a time, I managed to scrape myself up to a point where I like to think I’m a semi decent vocalist now (without a band or desire to do anything anyway lmao) But still, nonetheless, I appreciate the time you took to make this and show/educate people! And thank you!! For showing a younger me how not to totally fuck up my voice
I never thought of that video as a tutorial, more of a demonstration. Listening to you now I can here how much you've grown and learnt. I am only part way through and I know this will be a regular watch.
You are a really good teacher! I also started with fry screams (mainly because I was still scared of practicing when others were around and I expected these to be quiter). I've been able to add some false chord to it in previous months but holy shit, you just made me do my first controlled full false chord low I think. The sound you show around 43:40 really helps me get into the type of low I want to be able to do (hybrid). Kind of modeling after the sound of Phil Bozeman from Whitechapen or Will Ramos from Lorna Shore, who have these tight sounding false chord lows without airiness.
By doing this You have created the single most comprehensible and condensed "reversed classroom" vocal coaching lesson in the history of mankind. All the love to you my Dude! P.S.: that heart piercing suits you real well, I love it
It's fucking cool seeing how much you've learned and improved over the few years since that video. I found out about you from Musician Mansion and have been binging your shit in no real order, and the seeing the growth might be the best part honestly EDIT: Also, the Donald Duckcore one... I do that all the time to do the Golem voice lmao
So cool to see a new video addressing your other video man. I watched it way back, and it was inspiring. Seeing you very honestly going back and going over it is dope af. Much respect. 🤙🏼
This video is S Tier. The whisper scream reminded me of Your Existence by Like Moths to Flame. I gotta reassess my bad habits after this video. Thanks!
Fun shit my guy. Back in 2017 i wanted to learn to scream, so i tried the dog barking method, got me somewhere but not where i needed to be. I gave up learning, and fast forward a few years (2 weeks ago lol) i picked up learning again. I stumbled across your video again. I saw the inhale thing and gave it a try. Literally without exagerating, first couple of trys and i already screamed like i had years of experience. That shit gave me a huge confidence boost and started inhaling a whole fuckin lot. I even did a full studio recording session with just inhales and it sounded great. Next couple of days i had a sore throat but it was fine afterall. I can get some pretty nasty screams with inhales, but i have no fuckin idea on how to translate them to exhales, every shit i try doesnt even come close to those inhales. Would love to take 1 on 1 lessons but i'm tight on budget, so when i get my hands on some money we gotta make it happen. Much love from Romania and stay safe bro
thank you so much for clarifying the difference between safe and studio safe. unfortunately a LOT of people don't know the difference. also that Chester Bennington impression is on point
"Your favourite vocalist could sound amazing and have literally no idea what they're doing!" Devin Townsend comes to mind here. Incredible voice that seems to have only gotten better with age, but he's said numerous times he has no idea what he's actually doing to sound the way he does.
i have to say, i look at a lot of vocal lessons for learning to scream (i am interested in screaming just for fun but i'm not in an environment to practice lol) but the balloon comparison was actually so helpful. i've probably watched hundreds of lessons that constantly throw terms like vocal flaps and false chord and this and that, none of it ever made sense to me. actually seeing something similar being SHOWN gives me a TRUE understanding of how different screams actually work. this is a great tutorial, and i'll definitely keep this saved somewhere if i ever live alone 😅
Thank you so much for making this! You're a huge inspiration to me, and I learned to scream from your old tutorial. I'm so glad you made this video correcting your old one because my biggest issue I think is that I have been majorly overprojecting since I didn't really understand the difference between false chord, hybrid, and fry screams. I think you'll help a ton of people with this vid
I've seen a lot of videos on the subject, but this is the first one where I understood the techniques. Most of the videos do not properly explain how I can physically implement the techniques. But you explained that really well. Thanks a lot for this. And it's great that you have corrected your old video.
Dude, when u meantioned you were sitting in your grandma´s wheelchair, I almost had a stroke... from laughter. But seriously RIP!!! Btw your video actually taught me the beginning of false chord growls, mid false chord screams and couple of others, but I do indeed agree it was a dangerous game for us viewers, but I just listened to my body and it kind of did it on it´s own over time. Right now I´m working on fry a lot and cleans and some serious results have happened over time, but I´m also taking courses and stuff to learn more, bc I was missing a lot of knowledge and I was confused with terms and stuff like proper support, compression and placement. I could only go from 0-100 when doing compression and screams and my flexibility sucked with compression, but luckily nothing seriously bad happened over the long time abuse I put my voice thru, of what I kno. Probably bc I listened to my voice and tried to avoid the things that were uncomfortable, and now things are much more clear and fun. I´m now using the break to shut off my true vocal folds, and using mix and supported headvoice to lean into the screams and yeah all that good stuff. There is so much to singing and screaming and everything in between, including a lot of constent amount of self discovery and self awareness, and I still can´t believe the amount of time it took me to get here, from the age of 15/16 to almost 21. So I would really advice everyone to take courses and talk with someone who knows their shtt, bc you are gonna make a lot of mistakes when learning it, even from a pro bc of self discovery (still it´s a lot more safe tho bc u would have learned the basics), but without any guidance it can make things so much worse. That´s my wise words on the journey of singing and screaming and I´m not even done, I still have victories and failures and the failures will probably never go away, but learning/seeking help for something u might want to do for the rest of your life, should be taken seriously. Edit Thank you for this video Justin, really appreciate that you are redoing the video for bad terms and techniques, also love the music it´s very inspirational and freaking brutal.
FINALLY someone explains the “sing from the diaphragm” properly. Eventually I figured out wtf every tutorial out there meant by this. But for someone to break that down as to what it what it means, fucking huge. I’ve been doing extreme vocals for around 14 years, Justin talks about stuff I never thought about. This goes to show, you are NEVER done learning how to scream. Justin, you are a beast vocalist and an awesome dude! You were fun as hell to watch in the Musician Mansion. Keep up the badass work man! 🖤🤘
Hey Justin! Thanks so much for this video! This cleared up so many thingd but also reassured me and gave me some (over)confidence that I got atleast smth right :D
HI I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO YOURE REVIEWING FROM 5 YEARS AGO TO LEARN HARSH VOCALS LIKE 2 DAYS AGO SO THIS IS SUCH GREAT TIMING LMAO THANK YOU!!!
I'm not English and I do not understand English .... I'm understood something .... And you've been very good to explain everything ..... You're a good teacher
I absolutely loved both of your tutorials hermano, it was very original and genuine that you had the guts to auto criticized yourself and humbled yourself to do it, also thank you for the inside brother, are you still touring? And if so arizona in your plans?
Hey Justin I have learn screaming by your video and I’m so happy with this video and I have hurt my voice much times but that isn’t your fault i learn soo much from you on metalvocals and I do it save now!!🙌🏻
Justin being the type of guy I got inspiration from to even START doing vocals from the start, and with how it holds up nowadays, I feel like I've still gotten at least somewhere, after around ~2 1/2 years of progress. Granted, they're obviously not perfect and I'm not comfortable doing anything with them yet, but they're not horrible...this new take or kinda analysis of the former technique (I suppose formerly) video helps explain it more to me and add more things to add to warm-ups and practicing. Keep being a gremlin, dude. Good content as always.
I havent learnt screaming through your video but its good to hear that I actually had the same though process to build everything off of my mid scream and i also happen to do the same hybrid screaming technique as you do. It feels good to realize i do atleast something right in my life
*Me* : So, it's all mids?
*Justin* : "always has been"
Speech pathologist here. The part where you talk about your own style of ending a phrase (26:00 where you end the word shame like this: "shame-AH") is actually a really good technique to get rid of excess tension in your throat. It's like hitting a reset button before taking your next deep breath and when I practice with people who are using too much tension in their everyday speech patterns this is something I will give them as an exercise.
It also sounds pretty cool imo. At least in this context
Can you elaborate on the exercise you give them? I think I have too much tension in my speech, which translates to my singing, which translates to my attempt to learn screaming of course. I lose my voice just from singing without any distortion.
As a student of Justin's, none of this is BS... he literally explains everything that he is talking about in this video, yet he goes even deeper and it helps. TAKE LESSONS PEOPLE, SAVE YOUR VOICE!
How do I get lessons??
some of it is NOT quite on poin but its close enough
I would like to but I'm broke 😅
How much are lessons?
Is it normal to feel a little bit of burning throat ?
Absolutely lost it at the "I'm a male tenor, if you're a baritone, or a bass... or a girl. You're not gonna sound like me."
Mad respect for going back to update this people generally dont want to admit when they've made a goof so i really appreciate you doing this, as someone who wants to learn how to do metal vocals safely.
One person who very clearly saves a scream for studio recordings is Matt Honeycutt from Kublai Khan TX. To be quite honest I don't know how he does his technique in studio. It's incredibly unique. But live he switches to what seems to be fry screams. His studio vocals seem either very taxing on his stamina or his vocal cords. Either way man is a beast.
Matt Heafy from Trivium does the same thing. Live he does sort of a fry scream, and in the studio he just screams straight from his throat. He did it live until 2014 when he blew out his voice
I’m pretty sure Vincent from The Acacia Strain does something similar as well. Beefy false chords with lots of voice in the studio (or something else) and all fry on the stage. I’ve seen TAS and Kublai Khan both a bunch live and vocally they sound completely in person
His scream is sweet and it helped me find that my voice needs a similar style vs the more deathcore stuff I was struggling with
Honeycutt is the best
I actually think they sound way heavier and better live
16:30 balloon analogy 🎈
18:30 diaphragm and stomach explanation (gas pedal)
21:30 where I left off
So far feeling like a paid-for vocal lesson, minus the 1-1. Thank you for this. I've always struggled with screaming/singing
that "big ass dog" technique really helped me scream, I've been doing screams for 3 years and i learned a lot, and keep learning too
Yeah, that's the one that changed everything for me
You're a beast and a great communicator/coach. Loved the statement at the beggining differencing between "studio screams" and "tour screams" as these CAN'T BE THE SAME. Learned to switch a while ago though but this information is priceless!
It's really cool seeing you go through your old video and correcting yourself. It really shows how much you've grown as a vocalist and I respect tf out of that
Side note, it's crazy seeing how far you've come as a vocalist. I remember seeing your Hungry Lights covers a few years ago and thinking you were a really cool, unique sounding vocalist. Fast forward to like a month and a half ago, I saw Tallah at Rockville and you were EASILY one of the best live vocalists I've ever seen
I'm so glad you made this, not just for me who's been at it for 11 years but for people starting out. That fucking sound at 6:23 made me shake dude. I started trying harsh vocals when I was 15 and my false cord-type screams had that sound all over and, just as you said, it didn't feel like it hurt at all, maybe a little feeling of strain but hey, I was used to thinking harsh vocals were a bit risky, didn't know better. It came to a point, not even 6 months into doing those screams on a weekly basis PLUS not taking proper time to rest after getting mononucleosis, my voice was 100% FUCKED. Trying those screams again sounded even worse and I even became scared of trying. Now I'm doing great, It's been years of learning how to actually do that stuff proper, and a lot of what I learned came from your vocal tips live/on socials and seeing you as a great standard for a modern metal tenor guy.
But the thing is, You've also grown a fuckton as a vocalist since that video from 2016, you were already good but now you've learned a lot about how YOUR voice works and how it translates to other people's voices. Mad fucking respect.
TL;DR You're doing a great service man.
agreed. This video is very helpful
Lol I have kind of a similar story as well. I I was around 14 yo and while straining to mimick Chester Bennington's screams (of course all in vain lol), I just damaged my throat so hard that I tasted some blood. Stopped talking altogether for a few hours and after that I somehow tried easing into it, don't even remember how or when I actually got it right cause it was so long ago. But eventually I found myself doing (somewhat safer) fry-ish screams. They can tire me a bit after a long while, but I rest right after, and I've been steadily improving ever since, thanks to Justin and Kardavox academy's videos (check him out, he's a lifesaver!) At this point people I've showed my effort to actually love the screams.
Your diaphragm analogy with the balloon is extremely helpful for non-screamers as well
Honestly this, I learned proper breath control/compression from this video and have applied it since in choir
my day is made Justin has uploaded
This is probably the most informative vocal video I've ever seen.
This is a really well put together, well explained and overall fantastic video. Cool to see you correct your own misinformation, all the corrections and information was awesome to get
"It's my PROFESSION, I don't think it gets any more PROFESSIONAL than that."
Hahaha! Love you man. Great vocals great band and cool dude.
Got to meet Justin at Rockville honestly didn’t know of Tallah at the time but holy shit the fucking energy, showmanship, and even just friendliness blew me away. I got to meet him and talk for a second I could tell he was a solid dude and ever since you been on my playlists
50:55
Me: "Woah, WOAH, WOW-"
"It's really not that impressive."
Me- "Oh-okay" o__o
some important points highlight
11:35 How to flase cord and fry
13:20 closed your vocal cord when doing flase cord
This is better than the Zen of Screaming. WAYYY better.
I don't log in to UA-cam anymore, just signed in to write this:
Oh my god. Justin. This is literal gold. I have never learnt so much in an hour, and so many important things in an hour. You are doing the world a favour. Thank you.
This is invaluable advice for me on my vocal journey. Thank you for taking the time to analyze & correct your past work! I made sure to take lots of notes. You do have an amazing grasp & a breadth of knowledge on vocals AND the ability to explain things in layman's terms which is much appreciated !
THIS IS THE VIDEO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS
Glad to see this video. It's always awesome watching Justin break down vocals and techniques in depth. The man is a fountain of knowledge.
I saw you opening for Avatar in Madison WI this past September, and even though I had never heard your music, I was quite impressed by your performance. You guys were awesome!
Yoooo Avatar the band from Sweden? If so thats pretty lit
@@rowanstar5752 Yeah! That was my 3rd time seeing them, they put on a great show
This is gonna come in handy next time I tell my mom to get out of my room
It is so cool to see how much you've learned and how in-depth your knowledge of vocal technique has become! I remember watching your 2016 video when it came out dozens of times to try and learn how to scream, and I definitely remember having problems with discomfort when I tried that hybrid technique. I've managed to mostly remedy the issue on my own since then, but this video is going to be super helpful going forward. Thanks for this!!!
Amazing! it's even more awesome knowing that you got the time to make this video to still help ppl to do right "metal screams". Thanks a lot for this.
I’ve only been screaming for about a week and have been attempting highs with false chord. The noise you demonstrated is the exact same as what i’ve been doing and had know idea that it was harmful because it didn’t hurt. However i was losing my voice slightly and had no clue why. Thank you so much for this video, it was incredibly insightful.
dude ive been trying to figure out how to scream for a couple years, and your explanation makes more pragmatic sense than anything ive seen before.
Patron Saint of screaming vocals
Hey! thank you very much for the follow up video :)
I was already screaming and growling before i Saw your first video and i remember really beeing surprised by how it was totally different from how i would've described the experience of screaming. This follow up suddenly makes everything right. It describes most if not every aspect how i experience them as well! It makes me happy and reassured. So thank you :) cheers from France ! Good Luck ;)
Stoked to find out I figured out some of these “corrected” methods on my own somehow. Thanks my guy for your immense help in my screaming journey 🖤
The first tip with regards to the false chords trashing your voice is something that I experienced myself but have never heard anyone say before. Recording my false chord vocals was the toughest shit ever, even though I felt no pain. Recording with a sort of powerfry scream now is a lot better, my voice doesn’t get damaged, only tired
I honestly really like that this videos is so long, it's really informative and I didn't know and wouldn't have known a TON of this stuff if it weren't for this video. Thank you Justin :D
Been doing vocals for about 4 years and In all honesty I had no idea you could get low exhaling. So I started doing inhales.
Fast forward 4 years I figured out what a false chord was and the terminology and I’ve been working on it ever sense.
But I won’t lie my inhales have morphed into something unique and beautiful. I can compete and sound just like a false chord screamer.
I use it a lot less now since I want to keep screaming for as long as I can.
Same here. I've done inhales for about 3 years and they don't sound super sucked in, for lack of a better term, unlike most inhale screamers sound like Decimate The Weak era Winds Of Plague or Oli from Archspire when he does them which is not very often. I've never had any major pain with them at all, sometimes if I push too hard it hurts a tiny bit, then I stop for the rest of the day. I know I should learn how to do a proper false chord or fry scream though, given all the bad rep that inhales get. I have the foundation of the fry scream down but haven't been able to give it much power. False chord I completely can't figure out.
@@The_JustJoshing sucked in was the word I was looking for. For me it doesn’t sound like a inhale when taking a deep breath. It has distortion and and meaty sound to it, now and with mouth and tongue manipulation I can get the sound to replicate tunnels and all those.
I can also activate my nose and suck in air from nose to get this weeping demon sound and when I add a little more throat action I get this gnarly demonic sound that is super unique.
Prolly not a good thing tho lol.
As for fry, thats my main technique, I can do all the different renditions of it. It’s been about 4 months or so since I started doing false chord and I can activate at will now.
Keep going at it man stay away from inhaling as much as you can I’m trying to do the same.
Got any videos or audio clips of these inhales you're talking about? Would've loved to hear it!
@@regdenee I just got recording equipment so I’m hoping to start uploading vocal stuff soonish.
That old video taught me a lot. I learned how to manipulate my sound quite a bit, and it's really helped my range. I can extend higher than a mid, and my deeper voice lets me make good use of my lows. I'm not much of a vocalist anyway, but I like being able to scream along as I'm driving, and once I'm comfortable with composing songs, I want vocals in my toolkit moving forward anyway.
I hope you can get some good insight from this video bc honestly when Justin is correcting himself he gives some great points
I just love the Information that nowadays is out there on yt. Hopfully in the future we get some recordings from inside the body if Will is doing that with the charismatic voice
Dude idk if anyones ever told you this, but you would be an absolutely worthy successor to lead Linkin Park after they lost Chester.
33:25 Congratulations Justin. You've officially reached a new low.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cradle of Filth or Dir En Grey for the reed sounding one. I think my favorite moment with it in CoF is 6 minutes and 20 seconds into "you will know the lion by his claw" def check it out whenever you get the time!
You made a very good point by saying the buzzer/barking noise with the true-folds was no bueno when turned into a scream. Also this technically counts as one of the only mixed drive scream tutorials on the internet, so congrats.
The best part of all of this video is how he comes forward with his old false information and completely backs them up with new proven information. Growth is a beautiful thing, but what's even better is when it's reflected upon. 😁🤘
dude, i just wanna say thank for this, you help and educate alot of people with this, thank you very much
This got to be the best video out there for screaming.
Just informing for the years I’ve been watching you man, been loving all that you do.
Keep it up and can’t wait for more 👊
I just wanted to say thank you.
I've been practicing this for 2 years plus and seen slow but steady improvement.
I've heard it before, but the simple way you explained having a mid and just manipulating that - that is going to be a game changer for me, it improves my sound instantly and when I get it under my skin as a habit i am certain that it will do me very very well.
Thank you so freaking much!
You turned screaming into science and made it fun. You made science fun man.
You're so down to earth. I've been watching you for a while and have recently wanted to try and start practicing screaming. I respect that you take the time to explain everything, as well as picking apart your old videos. Keep being you, Justin! Rock on!
This video blew my fucking pants off dude. All these years of not understanding this mythical diaphragm explained instantly.
God dayum, this is literally the best harsh vocals tutorial on the internet! Dude knows A LOT, and it really shows. Just look how easy he can prove the point by just doing the thing! You want this kind of distortion - here it is, stripped naked. Or you want to hear the note behind the scream - done.
Also I wanted to point out that you are the only one, who showed the example of a mixed (fry+false chords) scream. Because I always wondered why no one talks about mixing them if they are different in nature) And only now I get it, thank you)
Thank you so much Justin, I really been needing more advice for my metal vocals, I'm only in a highschool band but I'm the only one in the school who could do a deep low vocal growl screams
Your old video actually got me into vocals myself. Not sure where'd I be without it even if it isn't the most accurate
You’ve really gotta appreciate this dude’s honesty. Then and now.
Glad you did this! I was the dude in Des Moines at Zombie Burger that said I learned from you
Brilliant video! I love the diagrams you used to help describe and portray the techniques, mouth and tongue movement,/placement etc.
This was insanely informative yet again!! I remember watching 2016 Justin showing me these ultimate techniques. Listening to you talk is incredible dude, honestly you should start a podcast, bring the band on and talk about your creative process and writing.... but back to what I was here for, this video is amazing. Glad to hear it from the perspective of a vocal coach, years ago the only things you could find on screaming were awful, crazy YT vids, warped tour short videos of a vocalist saying “I’m with the vocal coach of warped, she really helps me out, she knows her stuff” and then that’s all you had! Came along your video, then came along my band and further vocal lessons now I watch this and understand it so much more in depth than I once did. I understand the major differences in what I was... ahem... attempting and failing to do once upon a time, I managed to scrape myself up to a point where I like to think I’m a semi decent vocalist now (without a band or desire to do anything anyway lmao)
But still, nonetheless, I appreciate the time you took to make this and show/educate people! And thank you!! For showing a younger me how not to totally fuck up my voice
I never thought of that video as a tutorial, more of a demonstration. Listening to you now I can here how much you've grown and learnt. I am only part way through and I know this will be a regular watch.
I’ve come to realize I haven’t been that safe doing my vocals appreciate the update video!
First dude on UA-cam to actually map out the space of possible voice sounds, like control knobs to sound like anyone on the planet.
It's the creed beanie for me😂😂😂😂.
Great update vid btw
You are a really good teacher! I also started with fry screams (mainly because I was still scared of practicing when others were around and I expected these to be quiter). I've been able to add some false chord to it in previous months but holy shit, you just made me do my first controlled full false chord low I think. The sound you show around 43:40 really helps me get into the type of low I want to be able to do (hybrid). Kind of modeling after the sound of Phil Bozeman from Whitechapen or Will Ramos from Lorna Shore, who have these tight sounding false chord lows without airiness.
I haven't been able to speak for 5 years when i first saw your screaming tutorial. thanks bro! I TURSTED YOU!!!!
Also, love how you used the word "proprioception". Never would know that words meaning if it wasn't for And Hell Followed With 🙏
By doing this You have created the single most comprehensible and condensed "reversed classroom" vocal coaching lesson in the history of mankind. All the love to you my Dude!
P.S.: that heart piercing suits you real well, I love it
It's fucking cool seeing how much you've learned and improved over the few years since that video. I found out about you from Musician Mansion and have been binging your shit in no real order, and the seeing the growth might be the best part honestly
EDIT: Also, the Donald Duckcore one... I do that all the time to do the Golem voice lmao
So cool to see a new video addressing your other video man.
I watched it way back, and it was inspiring. Seeing you very honestly going back and going over it is dope af. Much respect. 🤙🏼
55:16 sounds like my mother, you've got a great new fav technique :)
Am I going mad or do I hear two completely different voices in there? That's so sick!
@@Dolkarr Hear them as well... massive stuff
This video is S Tier.
The whisper scream reminded me of Your Existence by Like Moths to Flame.
I gotta reassess my bad habits after this video. Thanks!
Fun shit my guy. Back in 2017 i wanted to learn to scream, so i tried the dog barking method, got me somewhere but not where i needed to be. I gave up learning, and fast forward a few years (2 weeks ago lol) i picked up learning again. I stumbled across your video again. I saw the inhale thing and gave it a try. Literally without exagerating, first couple of trys and i already screamed like i had years of experience. That shit gave me a huge confidence boost and started inhaling a whole fuckin lot. I even did a full studio recording session with just inhales and it sounded great. Next couple of days i had a sore throat but it was fine afterall. I can get some pretty nasty screams with inhales, but i have no fuckin idea on how to translate them to exhales, every shit i try doesnt even come close to those inhales. Would love to take 1 on 1 lessons but i'm tight on budget, so when i get my hands on some money we gotta make it happen. Much love from Romania and stay safe bro
thank you so much for clarifying the difference between safe and studio safe. unfortunately a LOT of people don't know the difference.
also that Chester Bennington impression is on point
Holy shit, I had no Idea this was Justin. So crazy that he is now my favorite vocalist.
"Your favourite vocalist could sound amazing and have literally no idea what they're doing!" Devin Townsend comes to mind here. Incredible voice that seems to have only gotten better with age, but he's said numerous times he has no idea what he's actually doing to sound the way he does.
You know what good on you for making this for real.
28:27 This helps a whole lot. I always wondered how they produce this grit
You should totally do another tutorial with the knowledge you have now
He does, that would be his lessons.
I love how effortless you currently make swapping between false chords and fry screams 🤣
It SHOULD be effortless!
i have to say, i look at a lot of vocal lessons for learning to scream (i am interested in screaming just for fun but i'm not in an environment to practice lol) but the balloon comparison was actually so helpful. i've probably watched hundreds of lessons that constantly throw terms like vocal flaps and false chord and this and that, none of it ever made sense to me. actually seeing something similar being SHOWN gives me a TRUE understanding of how different screams actually work. this is a great tutorial, and i'll definitely keep this saved somewhere if i ever live alone 😅
Thank you so much for making this! You're a huge inspiration to me, and I learned to scream from your old tutorial. I'm so glad you made this video correcting your old one because my biggest issue I think is that I have been majorly overprojecting since I didn't really understand the difference between false chord, hybrid, and fry screams. I think you'll help a ton of people with this vid
I've seen a lot of videos on the subject, but this is the first one where I understood the techniques. Most of the videos do not properly explain how I can physically implement the techniques. But you explained that really well. Thanks a lot for this. And it's great that you have corrected your old video.
Dude, when u meantioned you were sitting in your grandma´s wheelchair, I almost had a stroke... from laughter.
But seriously RIP!!!
Btw your video actually taught me the beginning of false chord growls, mid false chord screams and couple of others, but I do indeed agree it was a dangerous game for us viewers, but I just listened to my body and it kind of did it on it´s own over time. Right now I´m working on fry a lot and cleans and some serious results have happened over time, but I´m also taking courses and stuff to learn more, bc I was missing a lot of knowledge and I was confused with terms and stuff like proper support, compression and placement. I could only go from 0-100 when doing compression and screams and my flexibility sucked with compression, but luckily nothing seriously bad happened over the long time abuse I put my voice thru, of what I kno. Probably bc I listened to my voice and tried to avoid the things that were uncomfortable, and now things are much more clear and fun. I´m now using the break to shut off my true vocal folds, and using mix and supported headvoice to lean into the screams and yeah all that good stuff. There is so much to singing and screaming and everything in between, including a lot of constent amount of self discovery and self awareness, and I still can´t believe the amount of time it took me to get here, from the age of 15/16 to almost 21. So I would really advice everyone to take courses and talk with someone who knows their shtt, bc you are gonna make a lot of mistakes when learning it, even from a pro bc of self discovery (still it´s a lot more safe tho bc u would have learned the basics), but without any guidance it can make things so much worse. That´s my wise words on the journey of singing and screaming and I´m not even done, I still have victories and failures and the failures will probably never go away, but learning/seeking help for something u might want to do for the rest of your life, should be taken seriously.
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Thank you for this video Justin, really appreciate that you are redoing the video for bad terms and techniques, also love the music it´s very inspirational and freaking brutal.
FINALLY someone explains the “sing from the diaphragm” properly. Eventually I figured out wtf every tutorial out there meant by this. But for someone to break that down as to what it what it means, fucking huge. I’ve been doing extreme vocals for around 14 years, Justin talks about stuff I never thought about. This goes to show, you are NEVER done learning how to scream. Justin, you are a beast vocalist and an awesome dude! You were fun as hell to watch in the Musician Mansion. Keep up the badass work man! 🖤🤘
Your videos are some of the best dude and just showing you some appreciation. Keep kicking all our butts!
Wow man soon as we hit finding fry through vocal break I freaking got it!! Man thank you so much 😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you so incredibly much, Justin. This is like vocal university. Unbelievable wealth of information.
Hey Justin! Thanks so much for this video! This cleared up so many thingd but also reassured me and gave me some (over)confidence that I got atleast smth right :D
incrdible video,so much information and was so dope to hear a break down on the Kyo scream xD
HI I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO YOURE REVIEWING FROM 5 YEARS AGO TO LEARN HARSH VOCALS LIKE 2 DAYS AGO SO THIS IS SUCH GREAT TIMING LMAO THANK YOU!!!
I'm not English and I do not understand English .... I'm understood something .... And you've been very good to explain everything ..... You're a good teacher
It's so cool to watch a video on screaming from Justin again. I remember being in awe once and I am in awe once again !!
“Pretty sure that’s what olí Sykes, still does” LMFAOAOAOA
That's the video that made me find your channel, I think ab a year after it came out, it's been great to listen to your music since then
Thank you for making this update! I'll admit to trying to pass down the knowledge to people that have asked me how I learned how to scream.
I absolutely loved both of your tutorials hermano, it was very original and genuine that you had the guts to auto criticized yourself and humbled yourself to do it, also thank you for the inside brother, are you still touring? And if so arizona in your plans?
i learned screaming by your videos and even joined a band because they are super cool
Hey Justin I have learn screaming by your video and I’m so happy with this video and I have hurt my voice much times but that isn’t your fault i learn soo much from you on metalvocals and I do it save now!!🙌🏻
I just gotta say, that Jon Davis impression was DEAD ON
Justin being the type of guy I got inspiration from to even START doing vocals from the start, and with how it holds up nowadays, I feel like I've still gotten at least somewhere, after around ~2 1/2 years of progress. Granted, they're obviously not perfect and I'm not comfortable doing anything with them yet, but they're not horrible...this new take or kinda analysis of the former technique (I suppose formerly) video helps explain it more to me and add more things to add to warm-ups and practicing. Keep being a gremlin, dude. Good content as always.
Dude, this is fantastic, I’m trying to learn how to scream currently and I’ve just been using UA-cam and so far this is the best video I’ve found
I just rewatched that video last week haha. Much love, bro!
I havent learnt screaming through your video but its good to hear that I actually had the same though process to build everything off of my mid scream and i also happen to do the same hybrid screaming technique as you do. It feels good to realize i do atleast something right in my life