Oh, I forgot to mention this, but there is a video of me on Jared Dines' channel, where I am dressed in a maid costume and playing drums. The drums you are hearing are OBVIOUSLY not the drums I am playing in the video. I thought it was wicked apparent, so I never said anything. Plus... my whole contest entry was a joke, so I did not think it mattered. It seemed like common sense to me... There are no drum mics in the video, it is not an electronic kit, and there is zero recording device anywhere near the drum kit other than the camera. How would you be hearing the drums that crystal-clear if they were real XD? I was not trying to deceive anyone; I was just having some fun making a dumb video :P
anyone who thinks those were the actual sound of the drums, is actually just straight up dumb. lmao. plus you can hear the real sound of them when you throw the sticks up XD.
I don't know about training wheels. Any mechanical assistance that is needed is to perform art is questionable. Does a painter need a mechanical device to make sure they apply the perfect amount of pressure they seek on each stroke? Should they allow an Ai machine to mix paints for unique color palates? Musicians are above painters in prestige, but this was when there were no mechanical assistances. I don't know anymore since painters are surely more original these days. Training wheels are training wheels and metronomes are surely training wheels. And as I look up the metronome, it's a French device made in 1696 - mankind has been playing music for a little longer than that. And well, I looked up classical composers that were French and no big names. That's what cheaters get; the true greats didn't need the metronome...
Shoutout to Justin for calling out the bs. No fake nattys, bbls or backing tracks are safe! Fr though he approached this in a very mature and understandable way while also yelling at us.
i remember laughing when i watched a slipknot show on YT cuz corey's voice cracked when it was time for the echo vocal...so it echoed the voice crack...it may be funny but at least he was actually singing... same with fair to midland when darroh killed his voice cuz he had been sick and they did shows 3 nights in a row until like 2 a.m.. in the moment he tried to improvise which was nice to see...i always appreciate the musical effort from performing even if its not the best...just being there is enough for me
If I wanted to ear the same thing done in studio, sounding all perfect, I'd stay home. The best thing about shows is to get the raw sound of the band! Totally agree that maybe a few backing tracks can make the song sound more complete and full, if you can't bring an orchestra or choir (good example you gave). But if everyone is ''faking'' playing the main instruments, it's a total rip off. I totally agree with you. Stella is awesome BTW.
As a vocalist I laughed when it got to the vocal layering in slippery slop....and then the bassist after it hahaha my god (I also play bass) I can see a few bassists I know doing that
HILARIOUS TAKE ON THE MATTER AND ALL TRUE. As a bassist who've been touring with the band where the only thing that was not doubled in backtracks was my bass lines - it hits sooo hard. Justin, love the video
If people need harmony then they can multi-track their instrument or voice live, it won't sound as good as the studio version but it's more raw and that's the point. Hearing the little imperfections in the band is one of the things that makes seeing people live so fun.
Also i am pretty sure that Justin is lip syncing during the entire video, not one bit of what we saw him appear to say was live. All pre recorded in the studio and then he lip synced the whole time, the head band he is wearing is to hide in-ears that are playing the click track. loved this video was so good, so true!!
My bands drummer plays synth parts live, and we have songs that are very layered in recordings. A pal of mine came to our most recent show, and thought we were playing with a backing track until he noticed our drummer playing a synth part whilst playing the drum beat, he and so many others weren't 100% convinced we could pull it off live. My point being that, you don't NEED backing tracks, and if anything, they turn live performances clinical and lifeless.
30:00 if anyone wants to see the concert Justin's talking about. It's a little hard to find It's called A Killers Confession Mosh Pit @ The Odeon, Justin's song starts around the 1 hour 17 min mark.
You can clearly hear that the backing track was echoing along with his voice and he wasn’t perfectly on time for the reasons he explained. I think even without the context of knowing it was backtracked it was pretty obvious. Great performance anyway and I loved his split jump 😂 props to Justin for being completely honest and vocal about it
My biggest fear tbh. The music I make, are not capable of playing live. I know for damn sure I would need back tracks and what not to give the listeners that listening experience if I had fans. Love your music bro. Saw you live at Aztec theater this year and this makes me feel more confident about not giving a fuck what other people think. It's the PERFORMANCE that matters
When you talked about slippery slope with these examples of multi-layered growls and screams, i remember beloved by reactors "Picses" live by Jinjer. Everybody reacting to this clip were just stunned by very deep female growl, but nobody notices backing tracks, which make vocals sound so deep. You can clearly hear it at the end of the song. She is really good singer by the way, but still p. s. when you mentioned Clarissa Ross, you meant Melissa Cross? Her "screaming" is hilarious
Yeah I love jinjer, first metal band, but I can scream deeper than her and I am not even an adult yet, also I thought the layering was apparent in the clean vocals (nobody can sing back track and lead vocals at the same time) so who wasn't to say her harsh vocals weren't layered. I'm not saying she isn't badass and talented, but there are other female screamers that can go way deeper with zero layering
first of all thank you for the insights. as a fan you can just assume. second: I think it must be soul crushing to find out people you admire are faking it. if you are inspired and then find out it's not real you are heart broken in so many ways. I am continuously amazed by Justin's vocals (that is how I found this video) so I appreciate the efford he puts in always getting better ❤️
This is a super interesting video. I came up on DIY and lo-fi punk and it was a long time ago. So I feel like I have the opposite problem: I’m stressed out and embarrassed when stuff I record doesn’t sound live. The expectation that you’re going out to hear the record is wild.
Nice man, I agree, I play in a 3 piece band, and we use live tracks for the orchestrations in our music. But we do have 1 song where we have an extra guitar effect playing in the chorus since I don't have 4 arms. So we play everything live and use the backing tracks as a filler for the stuff we can't physically do. So the tracks don't include vocals, bass, drums, rhythm guitar, and solos.
That Fake Butts and Social Media section were both hilarious and VERY true. The average person has no idea that MOST Instagram fitness influencers (both men and women) are using some form of PED. They just try to say they got that physique naturally and with just some BS supplement they try to peddle to the masses. Edited to say: also most famous actors. The Rock, Marvel actors, etc etc etc.
It‘s so sad seeing the majority of people believing this juiced up bastards telling them they can get so big naturally =( And selling empty suplements for a lot of money
i went to see modest mouse live a few years ago. They had what seemed at the time close to 15 people to get the sound they had in studio. no movie magic required and as an artist and fan i really respect how they play live.
Hey, loved your explanation. I am definitely not in the music world professionally but found really interesting the explanation. I can really notice the differences!!! Thanks man.
As 1/2 of a (currently) studio only band/duo, if we ever play a show together we will be doing as much as possible live and leave as little as we can to backing tracks. I would rather take on more responsibility and work at a show to learn how to do vocals and guitar at the same time than just stay with my vocals and have even more of the experience of a live performance be left to a recording. It's part of the fun to play it live, I'd feel bored just doing vocals to a backing track while my band-mate plays one instrument. Especially at a smaller more personal gig, it'd be amazing to play just a few feet away from the crowd and see them enjoying what I'm putting my energy into.
“That’s probably what’s going to happen: some brilliant kid will come along and be popular. I can see a lone artist with a lot of tapes and electrical … like an extension of the Moog synthesizer - a keyboard with the complexity and richness of a whole orchestra, y’know? There’s somebody out there, working in a basement, just inventing a whole new musical form.” Jim Morrison
I know I'm probably the only one. So I acknowledge that. But I would LOVE to see a live rendition of your Kled verse from This is War 8. I also know there's probably rules against it, which is why literally nobody has ever done it. Love you Justin!
I have many things that i enjoyed about this video, but to keep it short and simple, bless you too justin, thank you for making this one and sharing all those thoughts!! I am interested in vocal safety and i might want to learn more about singing, who knows...in the future i might hit you up for lessons and knowledge!
I used to play in a local band that was all about using synths in the music. Don’t get me wrong I love the artistic freedom of using synths, but I had run into a problem. Depending on where we’re playing or if the click track doesn’t work for whatever reason, we wouldn’t be able to achieve the sound we wanted. Which is why on my recent musical endeavors I’ve been doing my best to create songs that can be played by the whole band without depending on excess technology.
You're one of the best vocalist on youtube and i'm a fan since 2015 and when you joined with the team of Austin and formed graystone with nik i say in my mind that would be making a f*king awesome deathcore track with my 2 favourite vocalist of youtube (sorry for my english thats not my mother languaje)
23:41 This is the exact reason why my one takes are not instrumentals and my covers are with the vocals taken out of it. If I am gonna do a cover I want it to sound like I did it if it's a produced cover. In contrast, one takes I don't care cuz it takes way too much time to remove vocals, produce, and sing so I don't bother to do it with one takes.
Backing tracks are relatively cool with me, (within reason, like lip syncing probably wouldn't be cool etc.) as long as the artist is relatively open about the fact that they're using them. Like I love Devin Townsend to death but his live shows, at least as of 2020 when I saw him in Dallas, are SUPER processed. But it's still mostly his vocals and it's still his and his band playing what you're hearing through the speakers, so it's still in thumbs up territory 👍. I thankfully haven't had any experience with your really bad offenders. But who knows. On the other side I did see Asking Alexandria live at a festival a couple years ago and maybe Danny should have lip synced lol he wasn't singing too bright that day.
I honestly don’t mind what style they go with as long as it sounds good and it’s not completely lip singing. I mean they wrote the song that amassed the fans. More than any fan can do. If you love the music you love the music. Layering vocals and instruments are awesome once again as long as everyone is actually playing something.
For me backing tracks are okay when the studio version has so many vocal layers that the track would sound empty, but I'm going to be really really sad if those amazing live vocals I heard were just some prerecorded take.
I’ve been playing guitar for almost 18 years now. I’ve also been through a shit ton of physical trauma in those same 18 years. I get carpal tunnel episodes frequently and I’m pretty sure I have arthritis in my wrists. I was recording a guitar part for a cover and in the bridge there’s a down picking section that I just could not keep up to speed no matter how hard I tried and after hours of failed sessions I finally just said fuck it and played the section at like 75% speed and sped up the tempo. Not because I wanted to bullshit and act like I’m better than I actually am. Because I know my limitations but I’m also not going to put out something that sounds like shit because I couldn’t play a 30 second section of a song. If I ever was to release that cover, I will not hesitate to disclose that info. But at the same time I’m never going to be on a stage performing live and I probably won’t ever make a career out of music but I still just wanna have a fun time doing the things I enjoy whether or not my body allows me to do everything 100% organically is irrelevant There’s nothing wrong with admitting that you can’t do what everyone else can. Not everyone is going to be a fucking god in the music world whether you’re touring or just posting covers to social media. But I 100% agree that people should stop lying to their fans with this shit. I appreciate the nuance that you applied to this discussion because the discourse surrounding this topic is usually so one sided And Stella had some very poignant additions to the conversation
Look Justin…. We know you’re a freaking unicorn!!!! But a really gifted and talented unicorn!!!! And what you do and what Tallah does is just face melting!!! Keep it real spit that truth as always!!! Tallah for ever!!!!!!!!
I like that you know mic technique I saw that when you were going for particularly loud and protected screams that you backed off a little. I like the usefulness of click/backing when not overused but I am a fan of bands like Tallah (for sure) and 99% sure that starset doesn't use backing tracks as they hired enough people (synth, violen, chello) so it seems like there stuff isn't back tracked and I appreciate that experience because it makes it different from others who do. As someone looking to do live vocals I'll probably have a backing track low on the mix But if I feel like I can do it without a backing track I will. That also depends on a ton of theoreticals. I will never however abuse backtracks just use them while needed.
Flashbacks to Demanufacture 20th anniversary tour. Burton missed his timing mark and he was "singing" while drinking a water....Dino tried, quite obviously, to cover it up but it was too late. It was still a good time, but wasn't at all surprised when Burton was out...now I'm sure there are other backing tracks on that tour too, but it was sad.
Hey Justin this reminds me of the Jared Dines comment on Rings of Saturn after a video from a fan recorded the guitar backing track while they were playing live and the comments. As a metal fan i prided myself on the fact that my music wasnt fake. Nowadays $$$ > Integrity.
great video, with a message that i feel can extend to musicians in the studio. it's fine if you have to slow down the song a little bit to get some of your riffs as tight as possible, or to get a difficult vocal line as clean as possible. it's fine if you have a vision for a riff that you are technically incapable of playing, so you chop up the pieces of a performance and glue them together. it's fine if you want a certain sound from your vocals that you are physically incapable of performing, so you use effects to manipulate the sound. but as stated in the video; just be honest about it!!! there are things i've released that i would not be able to re-create live, and it weighs 0% on my conscience because i don't lie about it. if someone asks, i will be straight up and say "oh i recorded that slow and sped it up" or "i used [plug in name] to make it sound like that" or "it used to be a different riff but i chopped it up and turned it into something else". and i don't feel any less of an artist because i still put in a lot of thought and time and effort to achieve the sound i want, and if people don't like it, then at least i can say they didn't like it due to taste or ideological differences, not because i've been deceitful.
I saw ammity Affliction live,great band,but the lead guitar is all backing tracks in every song!They still sound great,but the backing track thing makes em lose a bit of street cred.
About your point where you say you have to be skeptical as a fan when going to a concert, I'd say that when you know the band by heart you just know if it's real or not, like if the singer has aged and they do stuff like ad-libs they're gonna sound different, the guitar tones are gonna be different because their gear has changed, or you're gonna be attentive enough to notice a mistake etc. But if you don't know the band that well/aren't an absolute nerd about music, yeah… You can be easily fooled over how loud live music is
Oh, I forgot to mention this, but there is a video of me on Jared Dines' channel, where I am dressed in a maid costume and playing drums.
The drums you are hearing are OBVIOUSLY not the drums I am playing in the video. I thought it was wicked apparent, so I never said anything. Plus... my whole contest entry was a joke, so I did not think it mattered. It seemed like common sense to me... There are no drum mics in the video, it is not an electronic kit, and there is zero recording device anywhere near the drum kit other than the camera. How would you be hearing the drums that crystal-clear if they were real XD? I was not trying to deceive anyone; I was just having some fun making a dumb video :P
I can't believe you just tease that you were playing drums in a maid costume and then not link to it
For just being a joke video, it was a very entertaining entry.
anyone who thinks those were the actual sound of the drums, is actually just straight up dumb. lmao. plus you can hear the real sound of them when you throw the sticks up XD.
@@ShadaOfAllThings I got you fam (I just looked up jared dines hungry lights) ua-cam.com/video/qdFxIq8E4IU/v-deo.html
I don't know about training wheels. Any mechanical assistance that is needed is to perform art is questionable. Does a painter need a mechanical device to make sure they apply the perfect amount of pressure they seek on each stroke? Should they allow an Ai machine to mix paints for unique color palates?
Musicians are above painters in prestige, but this was when there were no mechanical assistances. I don't know anymore since painters are surely more original these days. Training wheels are training wheels and metronomes are surely training wheels.
And as I look up the metronome, it's a French device made in 1696 - mankind has been playing music for a little longer than that. And well, I looked up classical composers that were French and no big names. That's what cheaters get; the true greats didn't need the metronome...
Shoutout to Justin for calling out the bs. No fake nattys, bbls or backing tracks are safe! Fr though he approached this in a very mature and understandable way while also yelling at us.
Tough love 🖤
i remember laughing when i watched a slipknot show on YT cuz corey's voice cracked when it was time for the echo vocal...so it echoed the voice crack...it may be funny but at least he was actually singing... same with fair to midland when darroh killed his voice cuz he had been sick and they did shows 3 nights in a row until like 2 a.m.. in the moment he tried to improvise which was nice to see...i always appreciate the musical effort from performing even if its not the best...just being there is enough for me
I would much rather hear musicians make mistakes than fake things. It makes the experience more memorable and special to everyone there!
link?
I'm pretty sure it's a 1999 or 2000 show and they were playing Me Inside. I haven't laughed that hard in awhile 😂
I love how you can make informative videos and rants like this so insanely funny xDDD
I always appreciate Stella's informative and entertaining insight, such talent - and Justin was okay too, I guess. Great video, as always.
The world needs more honest artists and people in general like you
If I wanted to ear the same thing done in studio, sounding all perfect, I'd stay home. The best thing about shows is to get the raw sound of the band!
Totally agree that maybe a few backing tracks can make the song sound more complete and full, if you can't bring an orchestra or choir (good example you gave). But if everyone is ''faking'' playing the main instruments, it's a total rip off.
I totally agree with you.
Stella is awesome BTW.
The fan: "How'd you pump out vocals like that live, man?!"
The vocalist: 😷
man, just THANK YOU.
That vocalist impression was so good. 14:57
Loving these PSA videos
Oh, man, Justin... You are just so awesome. I super appreciate you talking about this and just everything, definitely can't wait to see Tallah live 💚
15:13 OH MY GOD THANK YOU, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD THIS THING ABOUT THE MILK AAAAHH
As a vocalist I laughed when it got to the vocal layering in slippery slop....and then the bassist after it hahaha my god (I also play bass) I can see a few bassists I know doing that
Love this. As a fan and someone who is constantly practicing to be a better vocalist, honesty is a value I hold dear.
HILARIOUS TAKE ON THE MATTER AND ALL TRUE. As a bassist who've been touring with the band where the only thing that was not doubled in backtracks was my bass lines - it hits sooo hard. Justin, love the video
If people need harmony then they can multi-track their instrument or voice live, it won't sound as good as the studio version but it's more raw and that's the point. Hearing the little imperfections in the band is one of the things that makes seeing people live so fun.
Also i am pretty sure that Justin is lip syncing during the entire video, not one bit of what we saw him appear to say was live. All pre recorded in the studio and then he lip synced the whole time, the head band he is wearing is to hide in-ears that are playing the click track. loved this video was so good, so true!!
My bands drummer plays synth parts live, and we have songs that are very layered in recordings. A pal of mine came to our most recent show, and thought we were playing with a backing track until he noticed our drummer playing a synth part whilst playing the drum beat, he and so many others weren't 100% convinced we could pull it off live. My point being that, you don't NEED backing tracks, and if anything, they turn live performances clinical and lifeless.
The track you are performing during your examples is an absolute banger
What song is it?
@@DustyDoorKnobs it's Soot Locker from his project Call It Ego
Rip the homie stella fr the way she looked away when you took the "blunt" from her and then was like "oh aight bro" when you handed it back😂
Thanks for speaking out, lying to fans is really an issue, especially for bands to come
Holy crap dude. You’re articulate and well spoken. You’re the goat right now
so grateful to have you man. bless the legend
thank you justin especially comparing it to the fitness industry and on social media
these videos are a whole experience
You gotta love that School of Rock reference with the dry ice!
This was both A) Very informative, and B) A spiritual experience in more ways than one.
Well said. 100% agree.
when you live mic'd it i got chills was fire af
"16:10 ronnie radke"
OH YES IM SO HERE FOR THIS
30:00 if anyone wants to see the concert Justin's talking about. It's a little hard to find
It's called A Killers Confession Mosh Pit @ The Odeon, Justin's song starts around the 1 hour 17 min mark.
You can clearly hear that the backing track was echoing along with his voice and he wasn’t perfectly on time for the reasons he explained. I think even without the context of knowing it was backtracked it was pretty obvious. Great performance anyway and I loved his split jump 😂 props to Justin for being completely honest and vocal about it
My biggest fear tbh. The music I make, are not capable of playing live. I know for damn sure I would need back tracks and what not to give the listeners that listening experience if I had fans. Love your music bro. Saw you live at Aztec theater this year and this makes me feel more confident about not giving a fuck what other people think. It's the PERFORMANCE that matters
backing tracks @ live shows has been going on for along time,it's nothing new.great vid dude,Tallah is rockin.
When you talked about slippery slope with these examples of multi-layered growls and screams, i remember beloved by reactors "Picses" live by Jinjer. Everybody reacting to this clip were just stunned by very deep female growl, but nobody notices backing tracks, which make vocals sound so deep. You can clearly hear it at the end of the song. She is really good singer by the way, but still
p. s. when you mentioned Clarissa Ross, you meant Melissa Cross? Her "screaming" is hilarious
Yeah I love jinjer, first metal band, but I can scream deeper than her and I am not even an adult yet, also I thought the layering was apparent in the clean vocals (nobody can sing back track and lead vocals at the same time) so who wasn't to say her harsh vocals weren't layered. I'm not saying she isn't badass and talented, but there are other female screamers that can go way deeper with zero layering
The School Of Rock reference made me so happy! ❤
first of all thank you for the insights. as a fan you can just assume. second: I think it must be soul crushing to find out people you admire are faking it. if you are inspired and then find out it's not real you are heart broken in so many ways. I am continuously amazed by Justin's vocals (that is how I found this video) so I appreciate the efford he puts in always getting better ❤️
This is a super interesting video. I came up on DIY and lo-fi punk and it was a long time ago. So I feel like I have the opposite problem: I’m stressed out and embarrassed when stuff I record doesn’t sound live. The expectation that you’re going out to hear the record is wild.
The slippery slope was comedic gold... great video as usual :)
Justin is the Rich Piana of metal vocals
Love the Mumkey Jones rant halfway thru. Great vid!
Came for the opinion, stayed for the cat
Beautiful
didn't expect this to be this entertaining
Can we just acknowledge the fact that one of the chapters is literally called "fake butts"?
Cherish your time with your cat. I just lost mine unexpectedly. He was the love of my life.
Nice man, I agree, I play in a 3 piece band, and we use live tracks for the orchestrations in our music. But we do have 1 song where we have an extra guitar effect playing in the chorus since I don't have 4 arms. So we play everything live and use the backing tracks as a filler for the stuff we can't physically do. So the tracks don't include vocals, bass, drums, rhythm guitar, and solos.
12:55 I gotta know what that cats pondering about
That Fake Butts and Social Media section were both hilarious and VERY true. The average person has no idea that MOST Instagram fitness influencers (both men and women) are using some form of PED. They just try to say they got that physique naturally and with just some BS supplement they try to peddle to the masses.
Edited to say: also most famous actors. The Rock, Marvel actors, etc etc etc.
It‘s so sad seeing the majority of people believing this juiced up bastards telling them they can get so big naturally =(
And selling empty suplements for a lot of money
This video was a work of art
i went to see modest mouse live a few years ago. They had what seemed at the time close to 15 people to get the sound they had in studio. no movie magic required and as an artist and fan i really respect how they play live.
Hey, loved your explanation. I am definitely not in the music world professionally but found really interesting the explanation. I can really notice the differences!!! Thanks man.
As 1/2 of a (currently) studio only band/duo, if we ever play a show together we will be doing as much as possible live and leave as little as we can to backing tracks. I would rather take on more responsibility and work at a show to learn how to do vocals and guitar at the same time than just stay with my vocals and have even more of the experience of a live performance be left to a recording. It's part of the fun to play it live, I'd feel bored just doing vocals to a backing track while my band-mate plays one instrument. Especially at a smaller more personal gig, it'd be amazing to play just a few feet away from the crowd and see them enjoying what I'm putting my energy into.
“That’s probably what’s going to happen: some brilliant kid will come along and be popular. I can see a lone artist with a lot of tapes and electrical … like an extension of the Moog synthesizer - a keyboard with the complexity and richness of a whole orchestra, y’know? There’s somebody out there, working in a basement, just inventing a whole new musical form.”
Jim Morrison
8:30 happened for my chemical romance at milton keynes because they let the crowd set the tempo.
I know I'm probably the only one. So I acknowledge that.
But I would LOVE to see a live rendition of your Kled verse from This is War 8.
I also know there's probably rules against it, which is why literally nobody has ever done it.
Love you Justin!
I have many things that i enjoyed about this video, but to keep it short and simple, bless you too justin, thank you for making this one and sharing all those thoughts!!
I am interested in vocal safety and i might want to learn more about singing, who knows...in the future i might hit you up for lessons and knowledge!
OMG, I love all versions of Justin. I can't decide! lol
I used to play in a local band that was all about using synths in the music. Don’t get me wrong I love the artistic freedom of using synths, but I had run into a problem. Depending on where we’re playing or if the click track doesn’t work for whatever reason, we wouldn’t be able to achieve the sound we wanted. Which is why on my recent musical endeavors I’ve been doing my best to create songs that can be played by the whole band without depending on excess technology.
You're one of the best vocalist on youtube and i'm a fan since 2015 and when you joined with the team of Austin and formed graystone with nik i say in my mind that would be making a f*king awesome deathcore track with my 2 favourite vocalist of youtube (sorry for my english thats not my mother languaje)
School of rock reference is approved
I love that movie
23:41 This is the exact reason why my one takes are not instrumentals and my covers are with the vocals taken out of it. If I am gonna do a cover I want it to sound like I did it if it's a produced cover. In contrast, one takes I don't care cuz it takes way too much time to remove vocals, produce, and sing so I don't bother to do it with one takes.
Backing tracks are relatively cool with me, (within reason, like lip syncing probably wouldn't be cool etc.) as long as the artist is relatively open about the fact that they're using them.
Like I love Devin Townsend to death but his live shows, at least as of 2020 when I saw him in Dallas, are SUPER processed. But it's still mostly his vocals and it's still his and his band playing what you're hearing through the speakers, so it's still in thumbs up territory 👍.
I thankfully haven't had any experience with your really bad offenders. But who knows. On the other side I did see Asking Alexandria live at a festival a couple years ago and maybe Danny should have lip synced lol he wasn't singing too bright that day.
Hit the fucking nail on the head with all your points.
I honestly don’t mind what style they go with as long as it sounds good and it’s not completely lip singing. I mean they wrote the song that amassed the fans. More than any fan can do. If you love the music you love the music. Layering vocals and instruments are awesome once again as long as everyone is actually playing something.
that bassist section was definitely about cooper
Falling in Reverse did not like this video
Why?
@@jamdungvybz our guy probably didn't watch the video lol
Ronnie just cancelled shows needing ‘vocal rest’ 😂
He definitely didn't watch the video.
Oh no 🤭 Ronnie is going to lose his shit on Justin if he sees this.
shoutout to mewzxn keeping it manual 😘
For me backing tracks are okay when the studio version has so many vocal layers that the track would sound empty, but I'm going to be really really sad if those amazing live vocals I heard were just some prerecorded take.
Shinedown moment
You should always strive to be yourself and or be better than someone. You can never sound like someone 100% or be someone.
I’ve been playing guitar for almost 18 years now. I’ve also been through a shit ton of physical trauma in those same 18 years. I get carpal tunnel episodes frequently and I’m pretty sure I have arthritis in my wrists. I was recording a guitar part for a cover and in the bridge there’s a down picking section that I just could not keep up to speed no matter how hard I tried and after hours of failed sessions I finally just said fuck it and played the section at like 75% speed and sped up the tempo. Not because I wanted to bullshit and act like I’m better than I actually am. Because I know my limitations but I’m also not going to put out something that sounds like shit because I couldn’t play a 30 second section of a song. If I ever was to release that cover, I will not hesitate to disclose that info. But at the same time I’m never going to be on a stage performing live and I probably won’t ever make a career out of music but I still just wanna have a fun time doing the things I enjoy whether or not my body allows me to do everything 100% organically is irrelevant There’s nothing wrong with admitting that you can’t do what everyone else can. Not everyone is going to be a fucking god in the music world whether you’re touring or just posting covers to social media. But I 100% agree that people should stop lying to their fans with this shit. I appreciate the nuance that you applied to this discussion because the discourse surrounding this topic is usually so one sided
And Stella had some very poignant additions to the conversation
Look Justin…. We know you’re a freaking unicorn!!!! But a really gifted and talented unicorn!!!! And what you do and what Tallah does is just face melting!!! Keep it real spit that truth as always!!! Tallah for ever!!!!!!!!
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I like that you know mic technique I saw that when you were going for particularly loud and protected screams that you backed off a little. I like the usefulness of click/backing when not overused but I am a fan of bands like Tallah (for sure) and 99% sure that starset doesn't use backing tracks as they hired enough people (synth, violen, chello) so it seems like there stuff isn't back tracked and I appreciate that experience because it makes it different from others who do. As someone looking to do live vocals I'll probably have a backing track low on the mix But if I feel like I can do it without a backing track I will. That also depends on a ton of theoreticals. I will never however abuse backtracks just use them while needed.
I'd like lessons from you you're one of my favorites
People are geting it more and more... That's why i farsee Tallah, gonna be the biggest metal force in about 2 years from now... 🤘
"do we though?" 😂😂😂
Flashbacks to Demanufacture 20th anniversary tour. Burton missed his timing mark and he was "singing" while drinking a water....Dino tried, quite obviously, to cover it up but it was too late.
It was still a good time, but wasn't at all surprised when Burton was out...now I'm sure there are other backing tracks on that tour too, but it was sad.
Loved the School of Rock reference
Can we get a "Lie about it" counter?
Justin, will Tallah do a tour in Sweden?
Hey Justin this reminds me of the Jared Dines comment on Rings of Saturn after a video from a fan recorded the guitar backing track while they were playing live and the comments. As a metal fan i prided myself on the fact that my music wasnt fake. Nowadays $$$ > Integrity.
When it got to the bass player I lost it and immediately knew where this story was going 😂
great video, with a message that i feel can extend to musicians in the studio.
it's fine if you have to slow down the song a little bit to get some of your riffs as tight as possible, or to get a difficult vocal line as clean as possible.
it's fine if you have a vision for a riff that you are technically incapable of playing, so you chop up the pieces of a performance and glue them together.
it's fine if you want a certain sound from your vocals that you are physically incapable of performing, so you use effects to manipulate the sound.
but as stated in the video; just be honest about it!!!
there are things i've released that i would not be able to re-create live, and it weighs 0% on my conscience because i don't lie about it.
if someone asks, i will be straight up and say "oh i recorded that slow and sped it up" or "i used [plug in name] to make it sound like that" or "it used to be a different riff but i chopped it up and turned it into something else".
and i don't feel any less of an artist because i still put in a lot of thought and time and effort to achieve the sound i want, and if people don't like it, then at least i can say they didn't like it due to taste or ideological differences, not because i've been deceitful.
I get some of your points.
I saw ammity Affliction live,great band,but the lead guitar is all backing tracks in every song!They still sound great,but the backing track thing makes em lose a bit of street cred.
15:33
that moment just killed me LMAO
you play in Bend Oregon maybe last year or so ?
I just LOST IT when the vocalist was hoarse as shit, hahahaha. Good shit
I'm a bassist and this truth hurts my ego
9:57 Love the reference
i mean in this day and age the band has to really really suck for a casual fan to notice backing tracks
Yep, that's why I just assume 90 percent of musicians have inauthentic performances. Its super easy for them to fake ir.
Justin Bonitz with live background tracks is a cheat code!!!! Lmaooooo
About your point where you say you have to be skeptical as a fan when going to a concert, I'd say that when you know the band by heart you just know if it's real or not, like if the singer has aged and they do stuff like ad-libs they're gonna sound different, the guitar tones are gonna be different because their gear has changed, or you're gonna be attentive enough to notice a mistake etc. But if you don't know the band that well/aren't an absolute nerd about music, yeah… You can be easily fooled over how loud live music is
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All I can think is seeing Lordi being exposed as frauds playing to a completely recorded backing track. It was hilarious.
This was insightful and funny thank you
8:30 why is this so funny to me ahaha
damn I got that Clarissa Ross DVD back in the days