Problems in the Circuit - I Made Some Big Mistakes
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2021
- I made a few big mistakes flying the Cessna 172 into a small airfield. This is the first flight I took the family along for back in the summer of 2020, and my first land away with such a busy circuit. I made a couple of errors on this flight that taught me some important lessons - here's what happened and why I won't be repeating those mistakes.
I would have unplugged the kids’ headsets in the first five minutes.
In the aircraft I fly that would be impossible for me to do from the front seat.
The ComBox usually has crew and pilot isolation switches. Like you I’d have been on crew isolation in the first five minutes. I’m amazed at people’s patience with their kids. Commendable, just not for me.
Rach said, "Try looking out the bloody window!" Well done! I am still laughing.
To my American ears, "try looking out the bloody window" is funny as hell. 😂😂😂
This is a proper family day out. Kids arguing and complaining included. I love this
all that was missing was i need the tolet lol
12:29 Poor Noel with “I’m boredddddd” in his ears 👂
Now it makes sense why you just get on random flights to the other side of the planet
I think you did really well, at the end of the day it’s not easy to see what’s behind you. The lack of communication from the helicopter caused the main issue here. Lots of distractions, fresh back in the plane and a busy uncontrolled circuit all that taken in to account you did well. Great video.
Thank you - I certainly learned a lot that day!
So easy for the aeroplane to get ahead of you when you fixate. I think you did well. However, as a Q400 skipper, I winced when you rolled into nearly 45 degrees of bank at low altitude and your ASI dipped below 60kts. Glad things didn't progress any further. Great video to show how factors can quickly combine to really distract you from your game.
Brave man for taking the family along, personally, I would prefer to be alone up there :)
I love that you've given a good slice of the whole trip, warts and all. It's not always plain sailing and it's food for thought when considering taking family members up. I can't think of one channel that shows such a candid flight. Cheers.
Indeed! However, there’s a certain glider channel that has some very, very close calls with Swiss mountains on it…
@@pjotrtje0NL Yep, I'm subscribed to that guy too. :-) Also "Plane old Ben" get a runway wrong on finals which was good to see included.
i’m 16 and hopefully gonna apply for my licenses soon as well
Good decision making Noel. I would look into briefing sterile cockpit conditions for the kids before and during flight or checking that you can isolate them on the intercom if able. Well flown.
Love your realistic vlogs, mistakes and all
Thank You Noel for showing what it's like to fly in UK airways system.
Think u mean airspace. The airways are waaay above him typically around 10,000 ft MSL AND they are restricted to IFR flights ie Class A airspace. A Cessna 172 would huff and puff to get to that altitude.
Many things that you have done , probably I would do it differently . however all of us learning from our mistakes. And good aviators never stop learning... love watching your videos . If you come down under give me a buzz so we can go flying together....
Fantastic taking the kids along. I took my girls also for a ride. They love the takeoffs
Nice video Noel. Loving watching your GA material. Sherburn brave choice as known to be a busy circuit. I am learning from Breighton just to the East - great airfield and home to some awesome aircraft. Take care.
Thanks Mark! It’s one I’ve always heard good things about and wanted to tick it off - but feel I should have waited a bit! I fly out of Gamston now which can be like Heathrow on a sunny Saturday!
Great videos... keep them coming.
Great to see you flying!!! If I’m ever flying noisy back seat passengers I always make sure the intercom has an isolator, has come in handy a few time. For that Dam helicopter I would have called him out on the radio for being a nob 😂
Aaron’s Aviation That helicopter should have made a go around to give way to Noel because the helicopter didn't radio in till the last min impo 🛫🛬
Fantastic video, taken friends children flying before and always stressful. A wise decision would be to divide tasks, one person focuses solely on flying then whoever is with you deals with the children. Pet peeve people not communicating in a circuit, think you did the correct thing with avoiding the helicopter. Great video thanks for sharing.
I would be having words with that helicopter pilot he should of called location on the down wind not on final approach
Great video Noel. New to the channel and highly addictive. Flown on some 'interesting' airlines especially in China with work.
big bit of complacency with not checking the tech log but lessons like that only usually come after you've realised what can happen when you assume things without checking. I'm and aircraft maintenance engineer and you would be surprised how often aircraft go U/S, the best way is to treat every aircraft like youve never seen it before, even if you walk away from it for 10 minutes and come back, always do the initial checks like its your first day
Sticky note on dial keys left in ignition kids on the headset along with the helicopters and wife sitting next to you I thought you done marvelous. Personally I would parachuted out and started again
You could have made more radio calls on down wind, base and final. Just to get that roto craft some info. However the roto craft is negligent for not reporting more. And the other fixed wing climbing up your tail could have extended down wind. Truly everyone needed some lessons on that one. But in all everyone is safe. And good job not letting the kids distract you from your main job of flying and communicating with ATC. I'm working on my PPL in the States and have seen some crazy out in this region also. Cheers fellow aviator!
oh wow you came to Sherburn! I'm doing my PPL at Leeds Bradford and we always go to Leeds East which is right next door!
Leeds East is a nice airfield to fly into. Lovely runways. Not actually been into the building though as it was shut due to Covid last time I went up.
I’m really enjoying these flight logs now that I’ve found your “other” channel. Interesting flight. I’d have tried to find a way to “chat” which the helicopter pilot. I’d have tried my best to very politely, but with a slightly sarcastic undertone, congratulate him on his excellent radio skills. 😂
Love it! thia made me laugh, so much, You guys are legend x
Great video noel
This was entertaining 😄👍
I watched the full video twice and I believe you did exactly what you had to do. I don't see why you should have gone around. The plane behind you should adjust to you and not the other way around. So nice job. I guess the back up altimeter allowed you to continue the flight. Nice footage by the way. BTW on the kids, I have two and I take them flying quite often, they know that they should be quiet and if they are not, I just isolate myself until I am on the ground.
Interestingly on my first time landing at Sherburn I had a heli decide to land on the end of the runway while I was landing. He made no calls, my instructor had made all our calls. Instructor went mad.
4:52 that look! All parents show that look regularly!
Last time I had a kid in the back was around 40 years ago, a cadet in the back of a Chipmunk. The little sod had been drinking a well known brown fizzy drink and eating crisps and chocolate bars before the flight. About 10 minutes into the flight there was a big splash on the back of my head and stuff flying past my shoulders onto the instruments. The little S@#t had thrown up! I was thankful that I was wearing a "Bone Dome".
Haha, the joys of children! There’s a reason skydive instructors wear helmets - and it’s not for safety 😂
It isn't just you Noel but a lot of kids just want their WiFi and games. Rach's comment was class. But I suppose if flying isn't for her it isn't for her. I'm sure she will change her mind when she gets older. I'm fascinated with looking out the window on planes, always was even back in the ATC as a kid. I could see your stress levels rising but I think you did a great job. We all make mistakes and that Helicopter should have announced his presence. Now, not having a PPL do Helicopter pilots see themselves as higher in a pecking order or were they just a bit unthinking? I know there are other people with PPL on here so interested to know if this is the case. Loved that you showed all the issues you had Noel. You could have easily edited it all out so appreciate it. Great vlog. Bet your nerves were frayed with the culmination of everything. 'Look out the bloody window' accompanied with eye roll. 🙄 Nice one Rach. 😂😂😂
I'd be having words with the helicopter pilot.
Going into a busy school and college airfield, approaching the hour as everyone was returning from lessons, I’ve had to set the intercom to “isolate” because my pilot-rated passenger didn’t adhere to Sterile Cockpit.
Noel your little ones sounded like mine, they are wifi mad haha. I'd love to be up there with you, and after watching you i am inspired to get my ppl. Great video as always mate
Ive litterally just passed all my tests and are now training for easyJet its a really exiting time for me
@Nimair Yeah Its not easy. You have to be really good. I am just in the beggining though
EDIT: Thanks so much for the likes on the comment. Ill take them all as just for good luck. Thanks everyone
I hate to break it to you, but all training is suspended and will be for years. Unless of course you’re lying. Which you are.
Commercial training isn't suspended.
Do us a favour? Tell Easy jet knobs to stop cancelling all their flights from Tenerife the day before! These covid tests ain't cheap n I wanna go home some time 😡
Possibly my least favorite part of private flying is rejoining busy circuit at AGCS airfield. My attitude is to trust no one. It happened numerous times to climb back overhead after hearing a downwind call without visual contact. Sometimes it's a helicopter or a microlight (they use 700ft AGL circuit at our airfield), so may be out of sight, or under me at times. Until I see and hear everyone, I assume nothing.
I once was on a trip to EBSP, from EHHV and I was #2 in the flight. I joined downwind as prescribed, and 5 secs in, I see #4 of the flight taking the downwind, but 180° different! We were closing fast and before I could react, his copilot got him out of the circuit by a climbing left turn, only to arrive last of the seven aircraft…
There is a lot to be said for solo flying 😂😂
Oh my god bravo foxtrot!? I recognised her instantly! First plane I ever flew!
I just stumbled on your channel are you local to sandtoft?
Did the helicopter join a straight in final? Not sure about the UK but in Australia you must give way to traffic already established in the circuit.
I can just imagine the kids saying "Are we there yet" ?
I would have replied BRACE BRACE BRACE !!
Helos always make me nervous flying opposite circuit. I fly glider out of 5b2 and don’t have the option to extend final. Had to radio them to hold position as they were about to taxi across my threshold. Seeing an 18m wing swish past their windshield probably made them sweat as much. Every one we get to walk away from eh!!!
nice to see a realistic family flight..not exactly stevo keenevo trip to the bahamas:):)
“Quite a min please! I’m landing be quite. Lol Noel says as he’s in a steep left bank 😅😅 Hey man we all make mistakes you did pretty dam well for shaking the Cobb webs off your ppl!
What setup do you use to record ATC and intercom audio? Is it fed to the GoPro?
Thanks
keys in the plane, no-one manning the airfield. WOW
Good job dealing with the distractions. Your children kept quiet when told to. Miss 'No wifi' has some aviator vocab by replying 'Affirmative' when asked if strapped in!
soon as this Covid clears up deffo going for my PPL cheers for the inspiration Noel 👍
Same thing happened to me. Damn helicopters!
Loved this video! I had a flying experience in the cessna 172 and it was the best experience ever!! I want to get my PPL but I am undecided if I should learn in a cessna or a piper. I love the cessna, its the only aircraft I've flew in (apart from being a passenger in an A321). The piper does look cool aswell though, and it is cheaper (I know its expensive to learn to fly but also landing fees aren't included in training costs and where I plan on learning to fly is based at an international airport). I probably won't be able to learn for another year, but do you have any tips on helping me choose? :)
What piper is it? Pa38 or pa28
@@aaronsaviation142 PA38
@@hollieC23 go for the pa38! Much better training aircraft, stalls properly, teaches fuel management, more fun to fly too!
@@aaronsaviation142 I will look into it and do some more research, thanks!
@@hollieC23 best thing to do!! If your need any help HMU 🤙 I’ve only got 50hrs on a 172 and about 130ish in pa38 so maybe I’m just bias 😂
Noel ya wife made me laugh there’s no WiFi look out of the bloody window Brilliant Kids today I wud av give owt to go up in a plane wi mi old man at that age .i did not know you cud fly Nice one ✌️
😂😂😂😂😂😂
How are you Noel?
What apps do you use. I'm doing my lol as well
I wouldn't want to put my whole family in a single engine aircraft. 2 engines is my minimum.
Valuable video......probably would not take so many of the family at one time, I think your son has done well in newer flights....maybe one on one with your daughter in a year. Lol
How many other daughters get to fly with there Dad and he’s the pilot. “I want to play with my phone”. Where is a parachute when you need one!
I would have loved to do that and she is wanting off 😂 I don’t even get board on 10 hour flights never mind 15 minutes lol. I’m turning 16 and I’ve always loved planes. One time for my birthday I got to go on a sea plane. Wonder what she would be like 😂
Poor kids fancy having no WiFi 😂😂
The only mistake you made was taking the kids 😉, I did that once thinking they would love it like I did when my dad took me up for my first flight. All they wanted to do was go home and play on roblox 🙄
Yep, exactly the same here. Sam loves it though bless him, he's a mini aviator in the making! ✈
“How big is the world?”
Managed well with all those distractions. Older video now so guess you have come a long way since then. But as others said be ready to isolate kids on comm box. Guy behind you worries about his own spacing not you. Otherwise a decent flight. Don't become task saturated. Can always climb away and have a few min to get yourself in shape and try again.
You need the button to turn off passenger headsets.
Helicopter east of Sherburn what are your intentions, I am on base runway xx
or
Call sign left base runway xx making right turn to join final behind the helicopter
Only difference that I have noticed from what you do to what other pilots do where I live is say which number you are when there is more than one aircraft in the circuit. So you would be saying number one on downwind or final and the aircraft behind you would be saying number two.
If there was no number three aircraft number two could have done a full circle to the right of the downwind leg of the circuit to use up time behind you rather than a go around or extended their downwind until you were established on final.
Never work with kids or animals haha.
If you ever want a companion who doesn't winge about Wifi then give me a shout haha.
Otherwise please feel free to come and visit us up here in Northumberland at Eshott Airfield (just north of Newcastle Airport). It'd be great to get an exterior vid of you landing ✈😊
Well rakice okok
Ahem...is it legal to fly VFR with an inoperable altimeter? Douglas Boyd Commercial/IFR single/multi engine land
It is legal as long as you have a working backup (there’s a second one as a spare).
Standard over head join - always worth putting in a descending dead side call to give all traffic some situational awareness.
Definite poor comms from the chopper pilot in this case though, especially as they would have been on frequency for the duration of your join.
Kids are Brill...
I'm sure with this flight you would have flown very close (if not over) my home town of Sunny Scunny (North Lincolnshire)
Loved flying from Humberside and seeing my neck of the woods.
Yes straight out over Scunny after takeoff from Sandtoft!
Not the best. I’d’ve turned round and gone home!
Eish Noel... Bloody helicopter pilots ey;)
Bane of my life 😂
Eggwhisks.
Your lovely kids sound like my terrible copilots lol
I got no WiFi, oh bless!! Glad you made it down safely, a lesser person would have pranged. 👍😊
Thank you Darren! Yes, must fly lower so the kids can get better wifi 😂
the wife looks so grumpy at life
Looks are deceiving
Heli pilot was definitely in the wrong here ! Surely he could hear there were aircraft in the circuit. He/she needs to have a word with themselves !
I can understand the unserviceable altimeter, but no WiFi... 🤦♂️
Hi
May hav been no harm done bt i wud hav called the helicopter to request they call there presence next time
Moral leave kids at home or unplug their headsets.
Rosetta rulez
i would have made the kids fly STEERAGE in future !
and.... unplug the children's headsets when you approach the circuit.
Err note to self.... Drive instead!!
Maybe it was wise to get some single hours to get the use to it, before taking the kids with ya. For the rest, I guess you don't make the failure again of not checking the technical logbook of the plane again.
Yes agreed. I'd flown a fair bit between renewing and taking the family up - but it is certainly a big learning curve when the distraction of the kids is added to the rest of the stress in a busy circuit.
O well why ask your only flying your whole family
back seat pilots lol
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